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Here Comes Snowden 2.0... And How The Government Determines If You Are A "Terrorist Threat"

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Moments ago CNN blasted a headline stating that the US believes there is a new, post-Snowden leaker exposing national security. Why? The reason is the following article that was released a few hours ago by the Intercept, and which is an expose on yet another classified system called Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment (TIDE), in which we read: "The documents, obtained from a source in the intelligence community, also reveal that the Obama Administration has presided over an unprecedented expansion of the terrorist screening system. Since taking office, Obama has boosted the number of people on the no fly list more than ten-fold, to an all-time high of 47,000—surpassing the number of people barred from flying under George W. Bush." And there is Snowden 2.0.

Aside from this rather stunning revelation, we also learn the following:

  • The second-highest concentration of people designated as “known or suspected terrorists” by the government is in Dearborn, Mich.—a city of 96,000 that has the largest percentage of Arab-American residents in the country.
  • The government adds names to its databases, or adds information on existing subjects, at a rate of 900 records each day.
  • The CIA uses a previously unknown program, code-named Hydra, to secretly access databases maintained by foreign countries and extract  data to add to the watchlists.
  • 16,000 people, including 1,200 Americans, have been classified as “selectees” who are targeted for enhanced screenings at airports and border crossings.
  • There are 611,000 men on the main terrorist watchlist and 39,000 women.
  • The top five U.S. cities represented on the main watchlist for “known or suspected terrorists” are New York; Dearborn, Mich.; Houston; San Diego; and Chicago. At 96,000 residents, Dearborn is much smaller than the other cities in the top five, suggesting that its significant Muslim population—40 percent of its population is of Arab descent, according to the U.S. Census Bureau—has been disproportionately targeted for watchlisting.
  • The top “nominating agencies” responsible for placing people on the government’s watchlists are: the Central Intelligence Agency, the Defense Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
  • In 2013, the main terrorism database included more than 860,000 biometric files on 144,000 people.
  • The database contains more than a half a million facial images, nearly a quarter of a million fingerprints and 70,000 iris scans.
  • The government maintains biometric data on people that it hasn’t identified–TIDE contains 1,800 “BUPs,” or “biometrics of unknown persons.”
  • In a single year, the government expanded its collection of “non-traditional” biometric data, including dramatic increases in handwriting samples (32 percent), signatures (52 percent), scars, marks, and tattoos (70 percent), and DNA strands (90 percent).

Snowden 2.0 speaks:

A U.S. government official told The Intercept that as of November 2013, there were approximately 700,000 people in the Terrorist Screening Database, or TSDB, but declined to provide the current numbers. Last month, the Associated Press, citing federal court filings by government lawyers, reported that there have been 1.5 million names added to the watchlist over the past five years. The government official told The Intercept that was a misinterpretation of the data. “The list has grown somewhat since that time, but is nowhere near the 1.5 million figure cited in recent news reports,” he said. He added that the statistics cited by the Associated Press do not just include nominations of individuals, but also bits of intelligence or biographical information obtained on watchlisted persons.

So how does the US government if you are a "potential terrorist":

Most people placed on the government’s watchlist begin in a larger, classified system known as the Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment (TIDE). The TIDE database actually allows for targeting people based on far less evidence than the already lax standards used for placing people on the watchlist. A more expansive—and invasive—database, TIDE’s information is shared across the U.S. intelligence community, as well as with commando units from the Special Operations Command and with domestic agencies such as the New York City Police Department.

 

The documents also offer a glimpse into which groups the government is targeting in its counterterrorism mission. The groups with the largest number of targeted people on the main terrorism watchlist—aside from “no recognized terrorist group affiliation”—are al Qaeda in Iraq (73,189), the Taliban (62,794), and al Qaeda (50,446). Those are followed by Hamas (21,913) and Hezbollah (21,199).

 

Although the Obama administration has repeatedly asserted that al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula poses the most significant external terrorist threat to the United States, the 8,211 people identified as being tied to the group actually represent the smallest category on the list of the top ten recognized terrorist organizations. AQAP is outnumbered by people suspected of ties to the Pakistan-based Haqqani Network (12,491), the Colombia-based FARC (11,275,) and the Somalia-based al-Shabab (11,547).

 

The documents also reveal that as of last year, the U.S. had designated 3,200 people as “known or suspected terrorists” associated with the war in Syria. Among them were 715 Europeans and Canadians, as well as 41 Americans. Matt Olsen, the director of the National Counterterrorism Center, recently claimed that there are more than 12,000 foreign fighters in Syria, including more than 1,000 Westerners and roughly 100 Americans.

 

Of the 680,000 people caught up in the government’s Terrorist Screening Database—a watchlist of “known or suspected terrorists” that is shared with local law enforcement agencies, private contractors, and foreign governments—more than 40 percent are described by the government as having “no recognized terrorist group affiliation.” That category—280,000 people—dwarfs the number of watchlisted people suspected of ties to al Qaeda, Hamas, and Hezbollah combined.

In shrug chart format:

And the punchline: a dystopia in which Tom Cruise drops out of drone and shoots you before you have even done anything.

“We’re getting into Minority Report territory when being friends with the wrong person can mean the government puts you in a database and adds DMV photos, iris scans, and face recognition technology to track you secretly and without your knowledge,” says Hina Shamsi, director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s National Security Project. “The fact that this information can be shared with agencies from the CIA to the NYPD, which are not known for protecting civil liberties, brings us closer to an invasive and rights-violating government surveillance society at home and abroad.”

Much more in the full Intercept article.

But wait, because this is where it gets even more surreal.

Presenting the US disinformation propaganda bureau in its full grandure. From HuffPo:

The Associated Press dropped a significant scoop on Tuesday afternoon, reporting that in the last several years the U.S. government's terrorism watch list has doubled.

 

A few minutes after the AP story, then consisting of three paragraphs, was posted at 12:32 p.m., The Intercept published a much more comprehensive article. The original article, which has since been updated and expanded, appears below:

 

 

ap story

 

The government, it turned out, had "spoiled the scoop," an informally forbidden practice in the world of journalism. To spoil a scoop, the subject of a story, when asked for comment, tips off a different, typically friendlier outlet in the hopes of diminishing the attention the first outlet would have received. Tuesday's AP story was much friendlier to the government's position, explaining the surge of individuals added to the watch list as an ongoing response to a foiled terror plot.

 

The practice of spoiling a scoop is frowned upon because it destroys trust between the journalist and the subject. In the future, the journalist is much less willing to share the contents of his or her reporting with that subject, which means the subject is given less time, or no time at all, to respond with concerns about the reporting.

 

The government's decision to spoil a story on the topic of national security is especially unusual, given that it has a significant interest in earning the trust of national security reporters so that it can make its case that certain information should remain private.

 

After the AP story ran, The Intercept requested a conference call with the National Counterterrorism Center. A source with knowledge of the call said that the government agency admitted having fed the story to the AP, but didn't think the reporter would publish before The Intercept did. "That was our bad," the official said.

 

Asked by The Intercept editor John Cook if it was the government's policy to feed one outlet's scoop to a friendlier outlet, a silence ensued, followed by the explanation: “We had invested some quality time with Eileen," referring to AP reporter Eileen Sullivan, who the official added had been out to visit the NCTC.

 

"After seeing you had the docs, and the fact we had been working with Eileen, we did feel compelled to give her a heads up," the official said, according to the source. "We thought she would publish after you."

 

...

 

AP spokesman Paul Colford responded to questions about the timing of the stories in a statement to The Huffington Post: "Pulitzer Prize-winning AP reporter Eileen Sullivan has been covering this territory for a long time. She gathered and reported additional news today as part of her expertise on this subject."

Not even Orwell could have foreseen the government waging such an open propaganda war...

In the meantime, don't be cyncial of the world's most "transparent" administration: be hopeful; after all you still haven't been killed for a crime you never committed.

 

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Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:29 | 5050599 BeansBulletsBandaids
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Might be easier if they just put everyone on the list...
We're all turrists now anyways...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:30 | 5050602 Dr. Engali
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How many Zero Hedge readers are there?:

 

  • There are 611,000 men on the main terrorist watchlist and 39,000 women.
Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:18 | 5050834 sgt_doom
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Sounds about right . . .

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:31 | 5050610 PartysOver
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To believe or not to believe.  That is the Question.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:32 | 5050612 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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The propaganda runs strong with the intercept. I'll buy that this is legit stuff but if CNN is fluffing it, you should be suspect of the real intentions here.

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:31 | 5050613 fleur de lis
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Seriously--how do we find out if we're on the list? Half the country should be on it by now, so there must be some agency we can call. 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:34 | 5050624 LawsofPhysics
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That's easy.  For starters, if your paycheck does not come directly from a government agency, or if you do not recieve any sort of government subsidy, you are on the list.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:38 | 5050644 NOTaREALmerican
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Have you tried simply calling the NSA?   Operators are standing by.    Have your SSN ready for quicker response.   All calls will be recorded for quality control.  

YOUR NSA.   Spying on your neighbor so you don't have to!  

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:02 | 5050759 Atomizer
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At noon and a bit after three today, the scam artists called me on behalf of GOOGLE. Doesn’t look like the ‘Do Not Call Registry’ works after 10+ years?  They asked me to update my Google account, don’t have one.

Inbound phone calls:

801.923.5768 & 225.361.2294

We will have fun fucking up this in short time.

/Sarc

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 20:25 | 5051808 ThroxxOfVron
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I thought that You could ask to be put on a list to be taken off the list and then they couldn't tap your phone anymore; but, that You automatically get audited by the IRS, HHS, OSHA and .

To get off the 'do not tap' list do You have to ask to be put on the 'do not double tap' list?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:34 | 5050615 trader1
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it's deja vu all over again:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/posts/NO-FUTURE

 

Looking back you can see how programmes like the Secret Society were part of the growing distrust of those who governed us. They seemed to prove that there were hidden, unaccountable and corrupt forces at the heart of the British state.

 

And the paranoia about surveillance carried on growing.

 

But at the very time as this happened - a new system of watching and monitoring people rose up. It would do pretty much what the spies and the private detectives had been trying to do - but much much more. It would record not just all our actions - but also be able to understand what was going on inside our heads - our wishes, our desires and our dislikes.

 

It was called the internet.

 

The problem was that the only way for the systems on the internet to work would be with our willing collusion. But rather than reject it - we all embraced it. And it flourished.

 

The key to why this happened lies in an odd experiment carried out in a computer laboratory in California in 1966.

 

 

A computer scientist called Joseph Weizenbaum was researching Artificial Intelligence. The idea was that computers could be taught to think - and become like human beings. Here is a picture of Mr Weizenbaum.

...

There are also a growing number of systems that use data from the past to predict whether individuals are going to commit crimes in the future.

 

On the surface it's laudable. But it's also rather weird - and in some cases can be false and dangerous.

 

In every case the systems monitor individuals' behaviour and then sees if that shares similar characteristics with groups of other people stored on the databases who have behaved dangerously in the past.

 

There is software being used by the Department of Work and Pensions that detects fraudsters by analysing the voices of people who ring its call centres. If you ask the wrong kind of questions - or even ask the right kind of questions in the wrong way - it puts you in the dangerous group.

 

The government also has what they call a Social Exclusion unit which has an Action Plan. It's aim is to use data to predict when things might go wrong in poor families - even before birth. In one scheme the unborn child of a pregnant mother might be categorised as potentially being a future criminal.

 

This is based on things like the mother's age, her poor educational achievements, her drug use and her own family history. If the system decides that the unborn child is a potentially dangerous criminal the response is not exactly Philip K Dick - a nurse is sent round to give advice on parenting.

 

But the oddest is STATIC-99. It's a way of predicting whether sex offenders are likely to commit crimes again after they have been released. In America this is being used to decide whether to keep them in jail even after they have served their full sentence.

 

STATIC-99 works by scoring individuals on criteria such as age, number of sex-crimes and sex of the victim. These are then fed into a database that shows recidivism rates of groups of sex-offenders in the past with similar characteristics. The judge is then told how likely it is - in percentage terms - that the offender will do it again.

 

The problem is that it is not true. What the judge is really being told is the likely percentage of people in the group who will re-offend. There is no way the system can predict what an individual will do. A recent very critical report of such systems said that the margin of error for individuals could be as great as between 5% and 95%

 

In other words completely useless. Yet people are being kept in prison on the basis that such a system predicts they might do something bad in the future.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:34 | 5050622 One And Only
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There are 611,000 men on the main terrorist watchlist and 39,000 women.

Men are being unfairly discriminated against. This is unacceptable in our new kindler, gentler, more equal society. 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:13 | 5051069 edifice
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Jesus, it really is discrimination in every facet of life. I thought there might be a chance the sexes might be equal somewhere...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:35 | 5050626 NOTaREALmerican
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Just another article by a trrrst loving hippy who hates everything Merica stands for, and the troops.

Love it or leave it hippy, and stop complaning about the best country in the goddamn world. 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:45 | 5050679 cornedmutton
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WARNING: Asshats are closer than they appear.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:13 | 5050803 pods
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Nah, NARA is a spice that is needed here. Hell, he coined "smart-n-savvy" for general use.

pods

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:52 | 5051463 SAT 800
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I down voted you just in case you're not being sarcastic.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:35 | 5050628 alexcojones
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I was Born a Threat, and

I'll Die a Threat -

Because I Like the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Molon Labe

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:36 | 5050636 Atomizer
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Fuck the Cartoon Newz Network (CNN). Look at the first two links below.

 

  1. NCTC Directorate of Terrorist Identities (ref)   August 5, 2014
  2. NSA Snowden Releases Tally Update - *2,140 Pages August 5, 2014

http://cryptome.org/

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:37 | 5050637 alexcojones
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"Here at the NSA, only top level personnel,

with special privileges and tenure,

Get PAID to read Zerohedge." - NSA spokesman

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:04 | 5050768 Postal
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Whoa! Then maybe my application will get noticed.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:40 | 5050656 world_debt_slave
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without definitions, words have no meaning

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:41 | 5050661 Duke Dog
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...."aside from “no recognized terrorist group affiliation”—are al Qaeda in Iraq (73,189), the Taliban (62,794), and al Qaeda (50,446). Those are followed by Hamas (21,913) and Hezbollah (21,199)."...

What's surprising in that statement? Everybody knows a good employer keeps tabs on its employess.

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:41 | 5050663 Mi Naem
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I feel more secure already. 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:55 | 5051479 SAT 800
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Me too; I just took delivery on some OOO buckshot. I love OOO buckshot.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:42 | 5050666 AdvancingTime
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Thanks to information leaked by  Edward Snowden we know the "black budget" last year was a massive 52 billion dollars. This is the money used in "secret" spy operations, and it is enough to send shivers down the back of those that cherish privacy.

This is beginning to look like the society we have read about the totalitarian society of Oceania described in George Orwell's novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. In Orwell's novel, all citizens of Oceania are monitored by cameras and are fed fabricated news stories by the government. More on this subject in the article below.

http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2013/09/are-we-creating-orwellian-society...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:34 | 5050890 Okienomics
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Are you still pimping that site here?  Please, ZHers, don't feed the pimps.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:42 | 5050922 Jadr
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I have to give him a little credit though, at least his blog isn't anywhere as shitty as the guy who uses "Bitchez" as his link in combination with a completely off-topic comment in every thread.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:44 | 5050928 Mi Naem
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Yes, it's always "This is a very interesting subject here on ZH, so come look at my analysis of it on my blog instead." 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:43 | 5050668 ebworthen
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Cramer has been brought in early on CNBC to explain away the market sell-off and suggest staying in stocks - and buying more stocks.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:55 | 5050729 NotApplicable
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Does he still do it with zany sound effects?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:46 | 5050676 oudinot
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Well if they have so much info how in the hell did they miss ISIS?

No way; they are myopic, bureaurcratic and craven but there is not a chance these incompetents could miss it.

Ergo, they must be a part of it.

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:57 | 5050737 NotApplicable
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"I'm sorry, I can't hear you." *blink, blink, blink, blink*

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:24 | 5050856 sgt_doom
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Well, since you are being obviously rhetorical, it probably isn't necessary for me to mention that in the internal news (not covered by Foxtard, CNN, ABC, CBS, MNBC, or whatever) the story for several years has been about those doods the US, British and French were training at a camp in Jordan, who are now calling themselves ISIS.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:48 | 5050689 dumbStruck
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I hope Snowden 2 has taken lots of precautions against the dark side of the force !

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:48 | 5050690 Cupid Stunt
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Shit...for a moment I thought middle class taxpayer gun owners might be on the list.............Or are we ????????

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:05 | 5050774 Postal
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What middle class? And "gun owner" is code-word for "potential violent criminal."

/sarc

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:26 | 5050861 sgt_doom
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Middle class?

When the Census Bureau stats showing one out of every two Americans qualifies as poor, and the auto companies are offering subprime loans for car deals because fewer and fewer can afford a car, I would also inquire:

What effing middle class?????????

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:20 | 5051342 TheInfoman
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For school I'm doing a study of the middle-class in America.  I just finished it and I'm pleased to report that he's doing fine.  

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:49 | 5050691 seek
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"Tuesday's AP story was much friendlier to the government's position, explaining the surge of individuals added to the watch list as an ongoing response to a foiled terror plot."

Um... They've added more names to the list in the past five years than the total number of active duty soldiers in the US army. That's not names connected to a "foiled plot."

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:38 | 5051411 Greenskeeper_Carl
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interesting the you would make the comparison to "more than the total number of active duty soldiers in th US Army"

I'd imagine there are a lot of people who until recently were in the army are now on that list. Especially if you were a ron paul supporter. This newest leak stinks to high heaven to me. A 'leak' saying that "they really are trying to catch muslim terrorists, we arent really far more worried about millions of you waking up and getting pissed off". I don't buy it

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:52 | 5050702 JDFX
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Whose screens for ' internal government terrorism ? ' . And shouldn't all politicians have to pass psychological profiling before taking office and regular annual reassessments ? 

History shows us governments pose the biggest threat to civilian secuirty and safety ...so ... ??

 

It's not rocket science, is it ?  

 

:) 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:53 | 5050706 Farmer Joe in B...
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100% chance anybody with a zerohedge account makes the list...

Terrorists!!!  All of you...!!!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:53 | 5050714 Z_End
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Snowden 2.0. Waiting for 3.0 and 4.0... I imagine there are more than a few folks wanting to spill the beans.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:54 | 5050718 dracos_ghost
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Soooo Facebook = TIDE ?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:56 | 5050724 JuliaS
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The program CIA uses to mine data is called Hydra!

Who's running the CIA? Cobra Commander?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:02 | 5050763 seek
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This is more likely the inspiration.

Gotta love this, per wikipedia: "Hydra is a criminal organization dedicated to the achievement of world domination through terrorist and subversive activities on various fronts, resulting in a fascist New World Order."

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:28 | 5050867 sgt_doom
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Hail Hydra --- negative and you're not paying attention!

That Operation Paperclip allowed for the Nazis to secretly infiltrate the American intel establishment --- the Nazi Fourth Reichers are running the show, and I for one welcome our new Fourth Reich overlords.

Hail Hydra!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:43 | 5051222 the6thBook
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Hydra was in the Captain America movie.  They are like the Nazi's nazis!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:58 | 5050733 Pesky Labrador
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Since when does CNN break news? They break wind but defniately not the up to date and latest news stories. This smells a lot like a scripted event IMHO.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:30 | 5050871 sgt_doom
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ROFL, exactly!  Carol Costello --- self-described journalist couldn't tell the diff between breaking wind and breaking news.

Carol Costello:  "Is enough of my cleavage showing?"

What cleavage, dear?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 20:52 | 5051908 Cathartes Aura
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but but, Snowden's leaks were all over the CNN/mainstream me-duh, no?

I mean, didn't it all start with the Graun over in Britain, such a well-respected olde world newspaper/*cough* newsy-blog! 

and didn't Snowden get a Pulitzer, so well-respected, yeah.

so it must be true, all hail the leak.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:06 | 5051968 nmewn
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Snowden did not get a pulitzer, news companies did, (Guardian & WaPo if I recall) freedom of speech & press and all that.

Pulitzers & Nobels are not reserved for "criminals"...outside of Obama, of course ;-)

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:26 | 5052060 Cathartes Aura
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yes, Snowden's Pulitzer was by proxy, all the hangers-on were awarded various attentions, truth.

ahhhh, but without his presence, no prize.

and Nobels?  Kissinger comes to mind. . .

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:56 | 5050734 ebear
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A no-fly list?  How quaint!  As if anyone's going to be flying anywhere 6 months from now.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:07 | 5050783 Atomizer
Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:45 | 5050923 Arnold
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Gulfstream for sale. Used for humanitarian flights only. Non stop trans oceanic capable. Currently parked in Atlanta, ready for your service.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:57 | 5050735 roadhazard
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I was on Nixxon's so that makes me an OT.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:59 | 5050756 bigrooster
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In the future many of us will be faced with the choice to kill a government agent, or be killed by a government agent.  You better start preparing yourself mentally now for such an encounter.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:07 | 5051040 ThisIsBob
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"Ready when you are, CB."

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:08 | 5051045 kurt
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Bait much?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:02 | 5050765 alexcojones
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"Matt Olsen, the director of the National Counterterrorism Center, recently claimed that there are more than 12,000 foreign fighters in Syria, including more than 1,000 Westerners and roughly 100 Americans."

So tell us, Matt; if these 100 Americans are so-called terrorists, are the by chance fighting against, say, ISIS?

Or is ISIS on "our" side?

French Report ISIL Leader Mossad Agent »
Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:05 | 5050778 JuliaS
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"He sees you when you're sleeping he knows when you're awake he knows if you've been bad or good so be good for goodness sake."

... and he ain't Santa.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:48 | 5050950 dumbStruck
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Dear NSA employee

While you're working away at your terminal helping to develop and deploy big brother on the rest of us does it ever occur to you that big brother could be unhealthy for yourself and your own famlly and friends down the road somewhere ? Do you ever wonder if you and your fellow employees might be in a very real sense digging your own graves ? That what you do today will someday come back to bite your own loved ones ? An electronic boot heel on the face of humanity forever perhaps ?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:10 | 5051313 Calmyourself
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They always forget the night of the long knives, Ernst and Gregor will never forget that night and they were inner circle just like the bureaucracy's minions..

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:33 | 5051383 KCMLO
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Too true, you either put yourself in the position of constant suspicion for leaks (persecution from your own team) or face the consequences of your actions in the event of regime change (persecution from the other team).  Being a pawn in the .gov apparatus doesn't have much of an upside aside from the overpayment which they simultaneously undermine through ridiculous fiscal policy.

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Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:46 | 5051441 CoastalCowboy
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I'd wager they're too busy wacking off at pictures of naked 17 year old girls or boys to even contemplate the question properly.

I'm sure their workstation seats are all icky and sticky kind of like a seedy porn theater.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:06 | 5050780 Senduko
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Heil Hydra

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:11 | 5050798 besnook
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.gov has been doing this for a long time. i was on the list in the 90s and i am still "watched" every time i cross a border, although coming back to the usa is the bigger pain in the ass.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:13 | 5050807 WillyGroper
Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:16 | 5050811 bankonzhongguo
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Funny how the current insiders just love all this technology.

Now what would happen if the State just wanted to make a list of "jews," "democrats" and assorted "intellectuals" using the same apparatus?

Don't feel so comfortable now do you?

The Spring Hill Googleplex and all of it's predictive programming is not going to be able to circumvent hard times if the bulk of the population is poor, uneducated, ill-tolerant, filled with zero-prospects and unable to access their porn and video games with the indica is wearing off.

The Singularity and Big Data is not going to save you.

 

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:38 | 5050909 sgt_doom
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That's what happened in the Netherlands during World War II when the Nazis invaded and occupied.

Several years before the Dutch had compiled a thorough demographic national list by ethnic group and nationality, and when the Nazis took over this list, they made sure that the largest percentage of any country's Jews and Roma (Gypsies) were sent to their camps.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:19 | 5050824 Gringo Viejo
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"Selectee".......I like it! Glad to know these Government employees aren't sitting around on their asses doing nothing. Takes quite a bit of group think to come up with "selectee". Yes sir....I like it

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:35 | 5050894 Atomizer
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And old Ex-CIA who ran videos to sell to the press.

http://store.intelcenter.com/collections/dvds

Hearing on the Intelligence Community's Response to Past Terrorist Attacks Against the United States from February 1993 to September 2001 | Oct 2002

http://fas.org/irp/congress/2002_hr/100802hill.html

Not embedding so you can capture the source.  We have it backed up.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:39 | 5050911 NEOSERF
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Posting here guarantees you a seat on the bus.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:23 | 5051117 shankster
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Or the train.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 19:27 | 5051581 ebworthen
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I demand my own trailer, with a barbecue grill.

Elegant one level living at a price I can afford.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:37 | 5051192 Atomizer
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According to the CIA, NSA..That only happens when women and children are aboard a short bus. US MSM has far more ad revenue ratings to catch.

Native internet advertising seems to be running out of steam..

Butthole Surfers - 22 going on 23

Better look into ACA to cure liberalism. / HAAHAHAHAAA

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:39 | 5050913 lex parsimoniae
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 "At 96,000 residents, Dearborn is much smaller than the other cities in the top five, suggesting that its significant Muslim population—40 percent of its population is of Arab descent, according to the U.S. Census Bureau—has been disproportionately targeted for watchlisting."

Disproportionately?? I don't think so; of all the stupid things that can be hung on .gov this seems to be one place where they've got it right. More muzzies = more violence

Still; the solution is simple and it would result in a decreased fed & local 'law enforcement' budget.

Restore unhampered 2nd amendment rights to all cities (open carry, shall issue concealed carry) and these cretans would quickly learn some manners. 


Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:40 | 5050915 Bioscale
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Intercept, the source of this information, is owned by Pierre Omidyar, it's the guy who's behind the Greenwald's business whorth of $250 million.

This news realease is fake. It's not new at all, this information is several years old.

Omidyar is a guy who belongs to the elite, supported Ukraine coup and is a big Obama supporter.

This is the link to Sibel Edmonds site with a short summary about it:

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2014/03/01/pando-expose-glenn-greenwalds...

 

This is not Snowden 2.0. This is fake.

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:29 | 5051152 smacker
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So, are these people suggesting that Snowden might be a very deep cover CIA asset?? And maybe that Greenwald has been taken in by him??

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:48 | 5051248 putaipan
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all i know is he's done a heck of a job taking matt taaibi off the beat.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 20:59 | 5051937 Cathartes Aura
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upvoted for paying attention early.

here's another old link to a blogger who ALSO was on the case from the start, sniffin' something fake and not afraid to write about it. . .

the commentary threads have great links too, always a good sign.

What a Fucking Asshole @ggreenwald
Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:39 | 5050918 q99x2
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If this is what an intelligent community does show me stupid.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:42 | 5050924 no1wonder
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It's also on RT:

"New leaker compromised national security documents after Snowden"

http://rt.com/usa/178232-us-national-security-leaker-snowden/

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:51 | 5050963 Blazed
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Jewish Groups Get 94% of Homeland Security Grants Funds Boosted for 'Jewish Earmark' Once Again

Again, quite telling for less than 3% of the US population.

http://forward.com/articles/203059/jewish-groups-get--of-homeland-securi...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:19 | 5051082 realWhiteNight123129
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Look Rabbi Weiss is a very good man, and he says that sionism is a curse for jewish people. He has some vision in my opinion. The worst is always when a few men want to mix up government and religion, and then they get ~legitimacy~ in teh name of their gods. A republic can NOT possibly exist based on the definition of rights attached to a particular faith. That is the biggest threat to Israel, not the Palestinian. As long you have this faith (and maybe ethnic, that is less clear) written in your consistution, the legal foundation is shaky.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:17 | 5051083 realWhiteNight123129
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dupe

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:07 | 5052241 falconflight
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The US TaxPayers are funding more than 600 billion dollars annually to a whole host of non profits and private entities, oh and of course higher education for research.  This is how the federal gov't infected the entire body politic.  Without this money, the power of the US gov't would shrink up like spraying poison on a big spider.  Of course so many would scream bloody murder at losing other people's money, that it's a guarantee that millions would murder others in this country because  their putrid larcenous souls trump any sense of Liberty.  Amerikans love Socialism.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:52 | 5050972 SMC
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Another real patriot, risking his or her life and liberty to tell the truth about a corrupt regime.

Whoever you are - thank you for your efforts!

Well done.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:59 | 5051006 theprofromdover
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In my 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon I can get to JFK and Lev Yashin the great Russian goalkeeper (soccer).

How will they rationalise that.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:11 | 5051065 smacker
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Not long to go now before "we're all terrorists".

Permission to be withdrawn to fly, drive, cycle or travel on a bus or train, or to visit any building or outside location where other people are present. All travel must be approved in advance.

Skynet drones will be watching to ensure compliance.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:11 | 5051068 realWhiteNight123129
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Everyone posting here are in the unspecified group of terrorists except for the NSA trolls.

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:14 | 5051074 Moccasin
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With the out of control spying and government criminality it would be an honor to be on the list. I have made claim that I would like to shit in the Presidents corn flakes and piss in his wine! With any luck and the use of my most powerful weapon, free speech, perhaps I can be amongst the few, the selected, the black listed, the chosen ones!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:34 | 5051179 notadouche
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Yeah, it would be an honor, right up until the point you wanted to travel.  It's hard enough to get through an airport under normal circumstances.  Being on this list would permanently skull fuck you. Rhetoric is all well and good but these fuckers mean business and if the government or even a single government agent puts you in their crosshairs they can make your life not worth living.  

Every one loves to repeat the saying "Life is short"  but if enough shit goes against you, especially when you understand its not a series of coincidences but a carefully planned and orchestrated government action,  believe me you will be a true believer of the notion that "Life can be very fucking long."    

There is a long list of names in history that experienced this and didn't live long enough to see it end.  The first example that comes to mind was a harmless comic by the name of Lenny Bruce.     

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:15 | 5051076 NuYawkFrankie
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I'm OK - I always insist on Hebrew National hotdogs with my Freedom Fries.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:16 | 5051085 GrinandBearit
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Snowden himself is a controlled resistance psy op... a construct.

He's there to show the sheeple that resistance against big brother's powers is futile.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:37 | 5051195 NuYawkFrankie
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Rock On bro'

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:53 | 5051259 smacker
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If that is true, how will they bring him in from the cold? or has he agreed to spend the rest of his life abroad?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:02 | 5051955 Cathartes Aura
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oh, that's a hardship - can't return to amrka!

 

while many here investigate which nation state they want to hop to next.

oh, and "snowden" "in from the cold" - cool.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 03:10 | 5052910 smacker
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What other people are doing is not relevant. Such decisions are always personal.

If in fact Snowden is a CIA agent, one must assume that he sees himself as a patriot dedicated to uphold the current "American system". You and I and many others may not agree with that system and may see him as misguided etc etc. But for him to be involved in a huge deception one has to assume that he believes what he's doing and believes in the system.

Logically, that means he will want to return home at some point after his mission has served its purpose, ie: to come out of the cold.

Hence my question as to how this could be done.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 09:06 | 5053364 Cathartes Aura
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that's quite the grand narrative you've created for Snowden, filling in any blanks & gaps, and looking for a tidy ending to the plot.

I don't spend a lot of time thinking about his tales - but here's an alternative chapter for you,

Snowden was recruited young, rewarded with fame & fiats, is fully co-opted, and was most likely enticed by yet another secret story fed him, that the named land-mass he was born to won't exist in his future lived, so best

take the money & run. . .

 

sound familiar?  because isn't that how most spy narratives are created?  the masses love their heroes, their gods, things to worship from afar, things to light up their dull lives. . .

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 08:18 | 5053200 GrinandBearit
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How do we know where he lives now?... oh that's right, the MSM said it.

This whole thing is psychological warfare /propaganda.

The rabbit hole is very deep.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 09:13 | 5053394 Cathartes Aura
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agreed!

with me-duh newsy movie shorts, and constant "reality" clips, false flags & collapsing state borders, what is truth if we merely view it from an animated screen, or read pixels strewn across refreshed pages, over and over and over. . .

question   everything.

then mock it all - because without humour, we die inside.

ask the great "comedians" - the ones who end up revered as social commentators.

as your name prescribes - we grin, and bear it!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:52 | 5054853 smacker
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Well, RT.com announced only a few days ago that Snowden has applied for political asylum in Russia.

My guess is that he is there.

But I accept that the whole thing might be a co-ordinated hoax and he might be lying on Miami Beach with a new name and new haircut. Maybe he's in a bar with Osama bin Laden.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:18 | 5051095 shankster
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Nein! It is the gulag for you!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:19 | 5051101 hoist the bs flag
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"code-named Hydra"...YES!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:20 | 5051107 shankster
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OK! I admit it..I am a government spy.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:23 | 5051111 rwe2late
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Government representatives and officials who subscribe to the insidious and paternalistic belief
that they and select others may covertly rule over the public in the name of the public,
are enabling if not practicing tyranny.

The first step for tyrannical rule is to expand state secrecy and create a self-fulfilling impression that the rulers know best. The hubris and deceit of such closed-door governance makes former limits to power seem “quaint” and irrelevant.

With secrecy of conduct comes unaccountable power and shortly, unaccountable abuses.
Such power invariably corrupts, and replaces any public interest with self-interest.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:26 | 5051131 shankster
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Abe Lincoln was on the no-fly list too.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:32 | 5051160 JPMorgan
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We are all just one step away from being branded terrorists.

And maybe the Nazi's didn't lose WWII after all.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:35 | 5051177 squid427
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@zerohead
What difference at this point does it make if we see the 28 missing pages of the 911 report?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:37 | 5051196 Peter Pan
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I think that the NSA is feeling uncomfortable at the level of surveillance and scrutiny it's under.

To the great misfortune of the American people, the USA government and its tentacles are playing an evil but losing game. It is now being pressured from the outside courtesy of Russia and China and from within by those leaking information as well as those that write articles exposing the rot.

It is only a matter of time before the government beomes fully paranoid and vindictive.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:38 | 5051203 the6thBook
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Well, we know it isn't a real leak, because it doesn't have people affiliated with the "Tea Party" or Boy Scouts.  This is probably a purposeful leak by an Obama supporter to support disenfranchised militant Islamic terrorists.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:39 | 5051208 yellowsub
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You're a "terrist" if "Freedom" is in your Google search history.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 03:34 | 5052924 zebrasquid
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Richie Havens would not be happy about this..

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 19:07 | 5051239 notadouche
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When the "Ebola Fever" took control of the 24 our news cycle I surmised that this was nothing  but the "shiny distraction of a typical magician hiding the act of illusion" and wondered allowed what big story would become public over the next 48 hours the administration wanted us to to ignore .  Could this be it?  Is this a big enough worry for the government or is there something much larger a foot?

Sorry for the original unedited version which made no sense.  Words all out of order, fucking brain tumors!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:49 | 5051250 kchrisc
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Take it with a grain of salt because C(IA)NN is reporting it, and as many know, they are the top tool in the DC US' propaganda arsenal.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:58 | 5051274 NuYawkFrankie
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THere's NO FLIES ON ME so I cant be on the NO FLY List

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:02 | 5051279 gcjohns1971
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Most 'spies' are characters worthy of the Dan Akroyd, Chevy Chase movie "Spies Like Us".

They childishly lust to be at the cutting edge of intrigue to the point that they, at times, manufacture the intrigue, and in so doing bumble the rest of us to the brink of anihilation.

 

Very frequently they have little or no appreciation for the mayhem or consequences of their 'work'.  To them it is the height of 'cool' to be the Jack Ryan-esque analyst who is 'the expert' in some obscure threat who gets called in to make policy and provide advice.

If they can escalate the importance of their fiefdom to such a degree that they get special operators killing people at their direction, then their industry cache is improved substantially.  Once they've reached that height they can literally screw around, leave the office, show up late or not at all, and generally act like a bumb thereafter, because everyone will assume they are working on something 'need to know' - that no one else - including their boss - is read in to know about it.

The problem with relying on such 'experts' is that the incentives are perverse.  At some point they stop seeking truth, and start seeking 'bad guys'.  But 'bad guys' are in the eye of the beholder.  And eventually, their definitions become so stretched that anyone can be a 'bad guy'. 

It is a test of moral strength, personal fortitude, and character that few or none can pass.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:02 | 5051293 AlamoJack
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Froman, you got da' fly man.  It's ugly, nasty, and the dog is bringin' it to daddy.  Keep it up bro.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:07 | 5051302 AlamoJack
Tue, 08/05/2014 - 19:20 | 5051553 dvfco
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I am huge fan of conspiracy theories, in large part because I feel these marginalized accounts of our history are actually reality.

But, and this is a huge BUT, beforeitsnews.com has got to be the most absurd source of BullShit I've ever read.

Some other stories crossing the wire right now on BIN --> Story 1 was the regarding 9/11, then:

2) Must Watch - Illuminate Insider Amazing 100% Accurate Prediction of WWIII (Yes - WWIII) - Reveals Everything!!! (Exclamation Points - theirs - 100% success rate amazing in light of the fact that the war hasn't really started yet.)

3)  Retired Soldier says he spent 17 years battling aliens on Mars!  (Believable, sure, but who is calling whom an alien on Mars?)

4) One Pic Shows Why America's Doomed Captured in One Moment in Time (no exclamation pont on this story! - but it's some ass-clown asking to be "friended" or "Liked" on Facebook.

5) Adolf Hitler's Final Secret - The U864 (Here is the 1st line:  Adolf Hitler’s mother was Frida Kaufmann (born in 1868) and she was the secret daughter of Prince Ernest Augustus, 3rd Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale and Princess Olga Petrovic-Njegos of Montenegro (born in 1847). Please friend me on Facebook if you are a Truth Warrior!)  But, the U-874 was a new German Sub.  BFD.

That site is worse than crap.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:09 | 5051308 medium giraffe
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oh god not this bullshit again. fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck......

 

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:12 | 5051318 RMolineaux
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It is becoming ever more clear that Obama is a puppet of the CIA and its friends.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:23 | 5051349 Cannon Fodder
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I am curious how many terrorist the government actually creates. I mean for real. Not some intentionally pushed into a plot by the FBI type of thing. Say Joe the Plumber gets sick of all this crap going on... so he starts reading alternative media, he reads the wrong blog and now he is on a list.

Or Dave the Dentist decides he has had enough of this and moves out of the country and renounces his citizenship and then on day while living in his new country he discovers he is being tracked, and now he decides to act upon it.

How many people never would become "terrorist" (however broadly or narrowly you want to define that) if the government wouldn't be doing this stuff.

And how many real enemies have we created out of otherwise peaceful people buy droning their village?

I guess "blow back" would apply here?

Sooner or later people are going to get tired of this stuff and actually take action, it may be very few and it may take a long time yet, but sooner or later someone will do something....

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:40 | 5051419 kchrisc
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I tell you what, if I survive the coming "troubles," one change to the Restored Constitution I will propose is that government is not a permitted to maintain secrets. Nothing will be permitted to be secret or classified and must be revealed if requested and no one can be prosecuted or persecuted if they reveal what the criminals of government would desire kept quiet. Additionally, any and all offices and locations of government can be inspected immediately on demand.

Call it the “Right to know and see everything.”

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 19:02 | 5051492 ualfltdispatch
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Eat your Soylent Green, bitches!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 19:23 | 5051562 dvfco
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I'm being serious here:  I'm guessing every regular reader of ZH with an account and more than 10 site visits is somewhere on that list.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 19:25 | 5051573 NoWayJose
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F U CN RD THS - you are a ZHer and are probably already on some government watch list...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 20:01 | 5051718 d edwards
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Totalitarian oppressive/repressive gov'ts become increasingly paranoid-if you don't tow the official line to the letter and kiss 0baMaos ass at every opportunity, your are an enemy of the statists.

Sic semper tyrannus

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 20:34 | 5051833 VWAndy
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If the real list gets out you will know its real. Notice no names on this list just names of groups.

 The lone wolf list? Thats the ones that they always were affraid of. The ones that take care of thier own problems like big boys do. All by themselves. The ones they need to sneak up on. Its a huge list.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 20:44 | 5051873 Aussiekiwi
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'foreign fighters in Syria, including more than 1,000 Westerners and roughly 100 Americans.'

WOW! a hundred Americans, justification for everyone to have biometric scanners implanted in everyone in the US I think, you can't be too careful, seriously one of those hundred Americans could be anyone, it could even be your neighbor.

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:35 | 5052106 IronForge
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Every Govt Whistleblower and ZH Reader.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:53 | 5052165 NickVegas
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Secret courts, secret prisons, secret lists, secret everything. It's called treason, and they use the veil of secrecy to cover their crimes.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:55 | 5052172 falconflight
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"At 96,000 residents, Dearborn is much smaller than the other cities in the top five, suggesting that its significant Muslim population—40 percent of its population is of Arab descent, according to the U.S. Census Bureau—has been disproportionately targeted for watchlisting."

 

What did Al Sharpless, Rev. Spit in the Tea Dispenser Jackson, and of course Papa Doc Barack contribute to this horseshit article? Disproportionate?  WTF, last time I checked any attacks in the US, not to mention just about any place on the globe, Muslims were planning or carrying out attacks on civilians....of course when they aren't having orgies with goats.

http://prepperchimp.com/2014/08/03/video-israeli-drone-captures-hamas-forces-having-sex-with-goats/

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:58 | 5052184 DeFeralCat
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What do they do with the people who can't afford to fly or check a bag? Is there a too poor to be on the no-fly list? 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 00:42 | 5052741 Aussiekiwi
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If you have enough cash to buy fertilizer you can make the list.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:13 | 5052276 Seize Mars
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Ok, will Snowden 2.0 actually give some actual information? Or will he just say things that everyone knows already?

Because unless some "secrets" actually offend TPTB I'm not believin' it. More controlled opposition.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:17 | 5052286 djsmps
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Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:18 | 5052288 djsmps
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The unfortunate happenstance of ZHedge.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:17 | 5052289 djsmps
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Ooh, Ooo, Ooo, can I be on that list?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 00:41 | 5052738 Aussiekiwi
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I thought everyone was considered a 'potential' terrorist and that was the reason they were collecting all the meta data, or are some people on better lists, like being one of the cool kids at school smoking behind the bike sheds while maths was on.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 02:46 | 5052899 basho
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infrastructure collapsing, poverty increasing, air water and food poisoned, and now we have more of this. insanity, pure insanity

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 03:00 | 5052903 Dublinmick
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He who cannot lie does not know what the truth is.....Nietzsche

Only sick music makes money today............Nietzsche

Without music, life would be an error. The German imagines even God singing songs....Nietzsche

Everyone who has ever built anywhere a new heaven first found the power thereto in his own hell...........Nietzsche
Insanity in individuals is something rare..but in groups, parties, nations, and epochs it is the rule....Nietzsche

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 03:07 | 5052907 Dublinmick
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Probably time for my favorite.

 

Sometime around 23 hundred years ago we see in the Mahabharata Ydhishthira has a vision of the age to come: I see the coming of another age, where barbaric kings rule over a vicious, broken world, where puny, fearful men live tiny lives, white hair at sixteen, copulating with animals, their women perfect whores, making love with greedy mouths. The cows dry, trees stunted, no more flowers, no more purity, ambition, corruption, the age of Kali, the black time."

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