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No Fly Zone: Russia Plans Airspace Blockade For European Flyovers In Sanction Retaliation

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Russia has been quiet, too quiet, since the EU and US unleashed their latest set of sanctions. However, as military drills and troop build-ups occur on Ukraine's borders, Reuters reports that Russian Prime Minister Medvedev is considering a significant retaliation, "any unfriendly measures by the EU, including those in the area of air transportation, we’ll be studied and won’t remain without a response." Russian business daily Vedomosti quoted unnamed sources as saying the foreign and transport ministries were discussing possible action which might force EU airlines into long and costly detours and put them at a disadvantage to Asian rivals by restricting or banning European airlines from flying over Siberia on busy Asian routes. Costs? Over $1.3bn for every months for Lufthansa, BA, and Air France...

 

As Reuters reports,

The Russian business daily Vedomosti quoted unnamed sources as saying the foreign and transport ministries were discussing possible action which might force EU airlines into long and costly detours and put them at a disadvantage to Asian rivals.

Russia may restrict or ban European airlines from flying over Siberia on busy Asian routes, a newspaper reported on Tuesday, following Western sanctions which have grounded one Russian carrier and a billionaire's private jet.

This would not be the first time...

At the height of the Cold War, most Western airlines were barred from flying through Russian airspace to Asian cities, and instead had to operate via the Gulf or the U.S. airport of Anchorage, Alaska on the polar route.

Costs could be considerable...

Blocking flights by Western airlines over Siberia would add an average an hour and a half to the travel time, Oleg Panteleev, head of the analytical department of the Aviaport agency told Vedomosti. It will result in higher fuel and labor costs, and more strain on technical equipment.

Vedomosti quoted one source as saying a ban could cost carriers including Lufthansa, British Airways and Air France 1 billion euros ($1.3 billion) over three months. Restrictions would lead to longer flights, higher fuel use and other additional costs.

Lufthansa said it operates about 180 flights a week through Siberian airspace but declined further comment, as did British Airways.

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Though both ministries refused to officially comment, a person close to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs said that “any unfriendly measures by the EU, including those in the area of air transportation, we’ll be studied and won’t remain without a response.”

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How long before Europe breaks away from Washington? And the land-for-gas deal becomes reality?

 

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Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:26 | 5048036 pods
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Someone just kicked it up a notch, and it wasn't Emeril.

pods

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:29 | 5048054 ilion
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It would be a major blow to EU if they did it but considering that Aeroflot is currently getting around 300 M USD annually from fly-over fees then I doubt it will ever take place.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:32 | 5048068 Dutti
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I'm glad Putin is one of the few standing up against the US bullies and their Euro followers. Thanks for taking in Snowden!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:38 | 5048093 COSMOS
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Are the Euros truly this dumb to commit financial/economic suicide on the orders of the USA?

Call them the Dumb Union, DU

Unbelivable!!!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:42 | 5048118 JustObserving
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Decades of NSA spying will do that for you.  You don't think that NSA does not have Merkel completely compromised?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:47 | 5048137 MillionDollarBonus_
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I don't know why anyone would fly over Russia anyway after this tragic Malaysian airlines disaster. It's one thing to fund an upriing in Ukraine, but targeting civilians is another thing altogether. It's time for the US and NATO to take action because if we allow this kind of behaviour then there is no limit to what corrupt nations like Russia will do.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:51 | 5048151 Iwanttoknow
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MBD,what is an upring?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:00 | 5048198 BigJim
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It's where an MDB takes it, every night.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:10 | 5048252 Leonardo Fibonacci2
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Remember that Putin hates to fight with Oblama because a real man does not fight with a girl!!!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:28 | 5048321 americanreality
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My 8 year old nephew could do better than that.  You are not clever at all.  

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 13:22 | 5049674 Miles Ahead
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@BigJim...  dayam! rotf...

Why does MDB's humor offend some of you guys so much?  The guy's hilarious. What's with the hostility; can't take a joke?  It's a hellova lot better than all the psuedo intellectuals posting so much drivel on here.  He keeps it funny, as did fonestar.  Where is he these days?  He was killing me...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:47 | 5048433 DeadFred
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Maybe he should fight with Michelle instead?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 10:31 | 5048650 Anarchy 99
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good one

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:55 | 5049177 666
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Should the sanctions be applied by Russia, the USSA taxpayers will be forced by Obummer to pay for any economic loss to the EU due to higher fuel or other costs. The USSA only knows how to buy friends, not make them.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:54 | 5048158 JustObserving
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Congratulations for buying Western propaganda hook, line and sinker.

Today, on the other hand, the CIA is directing an incendiary propaganda campaign against Russia and its president, Vladimir Putin, a campaign that seems intent on provoking a direct military confrontation with the country with the second largest nuclear arsenal in the world. There is no question that the CIA is mobilizing all the resources and assets it commands—within governments, the media, and among academics—in a carefully orchestrated campaign aimed at polluting public opinion with anti-Russian hysteria.

As of now, there is nothing approaching a definitive explanation of the chain of events that led to the destruction of MH17. Despite all the massive surveillance technology at its disposal, upon which it lavishes tens of billions of dollars annually, the US intelligence agencies have not produced a shred of hard evidence to back up the accusations of Russian responsibility.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/07/30/pers-j30.html

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:06 | 5048219 BigJim
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We'll know it's serious when Russia shuts down the Northern Corridor:

Russia announced plans to create a NATO transit hub in Ulyanovsk in March 2012. The decision sparked protests in the city which is the birthplace of Bolshevik leader Vladimir Lenin.[40][41] In late June 2012 Russia approved ground and air transit of NATO goods over its territory from Afghanistan. An order signed by Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev and dated 25 June 2012 allows the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) to move their consignments, including some types of weapons and military hardware,[42] from and to Afghanistan via a Russian base in the Airport Ulyanovsk Vostochny by rail, road and air, in contrast with the previous permission, which sanctioned only ground transit. But the order imposes a list of conditions, including customs clearance, availability of official certificates and other requirements which ensure the goods' transparency on Russia's territory.[43] Moscow has been considering allowing NATO to use Ulyanovsk Air Base only for the transit of non-lethal cargos to and from Afghanistan. The planned agreement however stirred a wave of criticism and protests in Russia, with many being strongly opposed to what they consider a “NATO base” on Russian soil. But high-ranking Moscow officials insisted according to Russian TV network RT that no NATO military base or the presence of the alliance’s civil and military personnel is intended, but only civilian logistics facilities.[42]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_logistics_in_the_Afghan_War

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:09 | 5048251 COSMOS
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Im pretty sure they did, I thought that is why the USA set up the Romania base, besides their gold deposits and frackable gas

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:44 | 5048410 BigJim
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Maybe... but I couldn't find any mention of the Russians closing it.

I feel sure they would have set up a base in Romania even if they hadn't, though; NATO just loves itself some new bases.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 10:12 | 5048553 conscious being
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Big Jim - for now, it might suit Russia to have US forces fighting jihadis on the edge of their sphere of influence.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:15 | 5048274 Sandmann
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It was negotiated by the Schroeder Administration in Germany

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:12 | 5048261 RECISION
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Don't feed the bitch... opps, I mean Troll...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:51 | 5048457 oudinot
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Are you nuts?  Blaming Russia for the Malaysian 17 disaster?   

I gues you don't read much, you are a troll or just intellectually challenged: or all three.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 10:13 | 5048564 conscious being
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Relax. Famously well known Troll w/ his own following.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:46 | 5048130 negative rates
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Just take a cab, it's safer.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:12 | 5048884 Taint Boil
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I thought Russia shoots down commercial airliners - hmmmm

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:48 | 5048134 MillionDollarBonus_
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Big deal. We should boycot Russia as a vacation destination anyway. 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:36 | 5048369 Postal
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Uhhh, now why would I give up a night of wild fun with hot Russian women just to hang out here in the States and deal with fat, bitchy slobs who expect to be treated like royality?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:09 | 5048249 The Chief
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Shit, I have Merkel completely compromised. Who doesnt have Merkel completely compromised?

It's the useless eaters that....oh, nevermind.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:49 | 5048146 BrosephStiglitz
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Not the educated.  Just the uneducated and the politicians.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:55 | 5048472 Spitzer
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I certainly hope not.

Why would Europe torpedo it's onwn interest just to afford the seppo petrodollar some time ?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 10:16 | 5048580 conscious being
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Why?? See reference to NSA enabled blackmail up thread.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:27 | 5052069 sethstorm
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Except that the US will win - and that Snowden will get to know the wonders of exercising in Florence ADX.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:35 | 5048534 Urban Redneck
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Look at the Comtrade data, travel is one of the front lines the capital flow war, and the EU has already engaged on this front.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:32 | 5048070 j0nx
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Money talks. BS walks. Game, set, match Russia.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:39 | 5048102 Sudden Debt
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DANG!

I was just planning a romantic citytrip to Siberia with the misses this weekend!!

...

 

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:43 | 5048121 COSMOS
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Dont bring her along, the Russian women have much more to offer.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:05 | 5048218 Leonardo Fibonacci2
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Amen to that!!!!!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 13:30 | 5049723 Miles Ahead
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Dont bring her along, the Russian women have much more to offer.

... than your missus.

Fixed it.  And who needs all that empty space below his comment anyway. 

And Leo baby, don't worry.  We will read what you wrote.  Promise.  No need to always bold.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:19 | 5048258 813kml
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I think you misspelled 'mistress'.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 10:47 | 5048766 Uncle Remus
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Semantics

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:26 | 5048037 orangegeek
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get the drones - fly them over moscow and if shot at, return fire

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:37 | 5048092 TheReplacement
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Downed drones won't do it - look at Iran.

We need pilots.  I volunteer you to go first.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 13:33 | 5049735 Miles Ahead
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BMI issue...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:38 | 5048095 JRobby
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Pure genius. Go back to your gaming console and report back in a week.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:42 | 5048117 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

get the drones - fly them over moscow and if shot at, return fire

Ah, another brilliant, reality-based 'american' strategy, revealing depth of thought and careful planning, no doubt with contingencies for various potential consequences.

I presume that phase 2 involves sending in Superman, John Wayne, and Rambo.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:55 | 5048168 barre-de-rire
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hmmm no, actually this is phase 3.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 10:49 | 5048775 Uncle Remus
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So, we've skipped over Doris' oats then?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:28 | 5048040 elegance
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No one can fly those routes through Russian airspace, asian airlines included, or they can't operate them from EU - to keep level ground. There, sorted. GRU agent Durden dissapointed sad face :(

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:39 | 5048099 TheReplacement
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Go retard much?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:26 | 5048317 BlindMonkey
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He is preparing to defend his masters thesis on how to wear an asshat like a boss.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:46 | 5048129 JenkinsLane
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The problem is not that Tyler is a foreign agent but, instead, that ZH is not, and never was, intended for schmucks; more

and more of you people seem to have found your way here lately. Hopefully you'll get tired of ZH soon enough and go

back to American Idol.

 

For the cheap seats, because you are clearly sitting in them and have plenty of company, this is about geopolitics:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geopolitics

 

More specifically, this is the latest version of the Great Game:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Game

 

More specifically still, a socially, economically and politically decaying hegemon, the US, ruled by a hostile

elite (including hostility to it's own domestic population and especially the historic domestic population)

is trying to cling onto global hegemonic power and, worryingly, as that power slips from it's grasp

will become more and more desperate. That hostile US elite is being challenged, primarily, by the BRICs,

Brazil, Russia, China & India.

 

The US consligliere with respect to geopolitics was and remains Zbigniew Brzezinski. If you can drag

yourself away from the television and/or X-Box for long enough and manage to read his works then

you too can have some idea of what is actually going on.

 

This is my last post for the schmucks - I've wasted enough time on you people already so can

all schmucks reading this please retain this comment for future reference.

 

Thank you

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:17 | 5048283 IridiumRebel
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<grabs handkerchief from pocket and wipes drool from elegance's mouth>

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:28 | 5048327 ExpendableOne
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Bring back the math quiz...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 10:23 | 5048624 conscious being
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CAPTCHA for blog quality.

If TD needs the eyeballs, he they could break the comments into 2 sets, CAPTCHA filtered and unfiltered.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 10:06 | 5048527 BlindMonkey
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(Leroy) Jenkins rushes in for the pro bitch slap. Great rant. May I quote you on it?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:01 | 5048821 JenkinsLane
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yes

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:31 | 5048041 AdvancingTime
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If this comes to pass the EU can again tell Obama that these games have real cost to countries other than Russia. Don't hold your breath for Putin to back-off or back-down, he has put down his marker and is now playing both Obama and Kerry for fools in a contest that cost Russia little. It is likely that if If Putin doesn't get Eastern Ukraine next week he will next month or next year at the latest. More on this subject in the article below.

http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/07/putin-holds-all-cards.html

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:27 | 5048043 dirtyfiles
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dont fuck with Putin kids

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:39 | 5048101 knukles
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The guy does have balls.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 10:19 | 5048595 BlindMonkey
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His and many other that he has hung up over the mantle as trophies.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:28 | 5048049 Icebramovich
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It is a good idea from the Russian government, and it will be really harmful for the European carriers

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:29 | 5048340 813kml
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I think it is a bad idea.  Unless Putin has concerns about a US terror attack via airline this would only give MSM more fodder to paint Russia as the USSR.  I think the average EU citizen has a good opinion of Russia but that might change if airline flight times and fees go up because of a punitive Russian sanction.

The EU and US have large and very soft underbellies (more like gunts), there are infinite other ways to extract blood without the negative publicity.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:42 | 5048395 The Chief
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Yeah. That, and it also makes Putin look like a meany for kicking the retarded kid. Personally, I think that this is one retard that needs his fucking block knocked off. I hope I'm around to see it. If we can't expose and depose, I'm all for spending my remaining days tearing this fucker down and having faith in the youngsters to build something better. I know. Tall order.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:57 | 5048484 SumTing Wong
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You think Putin gives a damn about the drooling US populace's ideas about Russia? He holds the cards on the EU, and he knows it. Why does it matter if they like him or not...they will have to pay him for several more years because they don't have a choice...well, I guess they could freeze in the winter.

It's check-fucking-mate here. He has the EU by the short hairs and he knows it. He's actually slow playing this bitch, just toying with it really. 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 10:31 | 5048533 813kml
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I don't know if he cares about US sheeple, but he needs positive sentiment from the EU because it is key to avoiding war. 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:23 | 5048954 El Vaquero
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Winter is coming.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 13:05 | 5049581 piratepiet
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Did Europe survive for millenia before the advent of Russian gas ?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 10:51 | 5048783 Ventnor
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"...there are infinite other ways to extract blood without the negative publicity."

So come up with a list and let's get it to the Kremlin.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:05 | 5048852 813kml
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Maybe not infinite but many other ways.  Russia should stick to trade sanctions rather than something that visibly and directly causes hardship to EU citizens.  Or take the high road and not respond, the EU and US sanctions are already a gun pointed backwards.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 10:55 | 5048793 holmes
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The people in the EU will respect Putin and the Russians more if they feel some pain from the EU sanctions. If Putin doesn't react, no pain for the EU common folk and they will just let their leaders continue to do whatever they want.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:10 | 5048873 813kml
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There are many EU elections coming this fall and the people are already pissed at their governments, Russia should wait a bit and see if nature take its course.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:28 | 5048051 _ConanTheLibert...
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Sanctions are sooo childish!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:28 | 5048052 Occident Mortal
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What's next? a Nickel export ban? or something similar?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:40 | 5048110 Sudden Debt
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NOT THE WODKA!!

NOT THE WODKA!!

NOT THE WODKA!!

NOT THE WODKA!!

NOT THE WODKA!!

NOT THE WODKA!!

NOT THE WODKA!!

NOT THE WODKA!!

....

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 14:37 | 5050239 FeralSerf
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In the last years (1980s) of the Soviet Union, the Russians pretty much took the shit sandwiches they were getting until the price of vodka increased dramatically. That may have been the straw that broke the camel's (Gorbechev's) back.

As long as the Russians could afford to stay drunk, they could cope. It's pretty much the same in America now.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 10:21 | 5048609 BlindMonkey
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Titanium to Boeing perhaps?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:30 | 5048058 Smegley Wanxalot
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No doubt our whiny bitch POSident oblowhard will throw a tissyfit once he realizes Putin is kicking him in his numb microscopic nuts once again.

Vlad FTW!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:35 | 5048083 sessinpo
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Smegley Wanxalot    No doubt our whiny bitch POSident oblowhard will throw a tissyfit once he realizes Putin is kicking him in his numb microscopic nuts once again.

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I doubt it. That POS (potus) considers everything he does a success.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:42 | 5048115 TheReplacement
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Agreed.  Pretty much everything he does is harmful to the homeland.  He doesn't even get lucky and win once in a while.  This guy is skilled and intelligent.  To bad most people (including those who despise him) still don't understand that it is all intentional and he is winning.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:49 | 5048143 Smegley Wanxalot
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I despise him (and everyone else in govt) and recognize full well that this is intentional to harm the USA.  In that regard, because the braindead public of this country elects and re-eIects such trash, I want that harm to the USA to come swiftly and harshly and bitch-slap the fuck out of this country. 

The voters deserve the shit they chose ... flung straight up their empty doe-eyed faces.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:23 | 5048877 FeralSerf
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The voters don't "deserve the shit they chose" anymore than a two year old deserves the diabetes that he's going to get from the food selection training he gets on TV.

The voters merely "choose" the candidates that they're trained by the Zioligarchy's MSM to select. They're unable to resist the four hours or more daily brain-washing they get.

The "voters" are zombies at this point.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:12 | 5048245 ThisIsBob
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  • While there is ample evidence on which to make that case, it is troubling that just about no one in Washington is calling the administration on it.  This leads me to wonder if its not just plain collective stupidity rather than collective conspiracy to destroy the US.
Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:41 | 5048390 Postal
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Truth is the enemy. George Will was tarred and feathered for daring to point out that feminist rape claims are not backed by factual evidence.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:27 | 5048977 FeralSerf
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". . . just about no one in Washington is calling the administration on it", because ONLY the Team Players get rewarded in Washington.

And some of the Team Players get rewarded VERY WELL.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:30 | 5048059 DanDaley
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That is one big honkin' airspace, too!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:40 | 5048109 JRobby
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And Putin just increased the number of time zones across the "republic"

Will that effect frequent flier deals..................

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:49 | 5048141 COSMOS
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Wrong, give me a link.  What I had read about a year or two ago was that he decreased the  number of time zones.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 10:24 | 5048629 BlindMonkey
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What you don't like stupid time zones? Don't visit Newfoundland in CA. The 30 minute time zone difference is just as stupid as it sounds.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:32 | 5048071 Dewan
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Lufthansa flights have become quite expensive in the last years, if this measure is carried out by the Russian government it will sure hurt many European airlines. But I can't feel sorry for them, because Europeans still regard Russia as a third world country which can be abused anytime, although many people who held such an opinion have never been there and can't understand a thing about how Russian people are. And Russia is definitely not the helpless country it was more than 20 years ago, that's something that the West can't possibly understand right now.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:40 | 5048105 Confused
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I can't speak for anyone other than myself. But where I live, the 'Europeans' certainly do NOT seem to have this view of Russia. And would altogether rather avoid any confrontation with them. If at all possible. It didn't end too well for them here. And I suspect this has factored into their social psyche over the last 70 years. In fact, it is not uncommon to see signs reading (roughly) 'Never again war with Russia.' 

 

Not that this is indicative of a greater thinking. But something to think about. 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 10:17 | 5048583 Leraconteur
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I can see how no one would want that. but have you run the numbers?

Europe has 3 times the population, 8.5x the GDP, more manufacturing base, and on and on.

The simple fact is that Europeans have had the fight beat out of them - you think that is good, that is progress, that is enlightened.

It's not.

It will make you conquered.

You want to enjoy the good life, but the good life requires sacrifice and fighting for it.

Oh well - you are letting Moslems over run your culture and are not having children. You won't be around in 25 years regardless.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 10:29 | 5048646 BlindMonkey
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It looks like the younger generation of Europe is well aware of the muzzie threat. This video looks and smells like a pan-European awakening that borders, nationalism and identity matter. Time will tell if they have the mettle to make it.

http://youtu.be/VR-lAGj_dlQ

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 10:40 | 5048635 Urban Redneck
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Where I live in Europe, the cocksucker-in-chief just betrayed the very core notion of Neutrality. Fortunately, we get a new cocksucker-in-chief every time we make New Year's Resolutions about doing better next time. Unfortunately, this cocksucker will still be charge of Foreign Affairs next year.

On the bright side, if I ever need a blowjob (and my wife isn't in the mood), I now know exactly where to go for a reliable and enthusiastic cocksucking with no pretense of neutrality. I just have to find my old membership card to passport with my US passport.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:11 | 5048880 Ghordius
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"Unlike the European Union and the United States, Switzerland has been wary of imposing broad sanctions against Russia over Ukraine.

It has instead opted for targeted moves against individuals and firms, and imposed measures to ensure that the Swiss financial sector is not used to duck sanctions introduced by other countries.

The government has argued that it is not just a matter of preserving the country's traditional neutrality, but also because Switzerland currently chairs the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) and as such is trying to broker a settlement for the crisis."

ah, neutrality is a fine thing, but Switzerland is wary of being sanctioned, too. which is just a reminder of the "Dollar Might Policy"

nice photo of the seat of gov in Bern. on the left, outside of the photo, is the seat of the Swiss National Bank, if I remember it right

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:33 | 5049021 Urban Redneck
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That might be valid excuse for not sanctioning one of the biggest war criminals of this whole clusterfuck, who conveniently happens to have a residency permit and large sums of money parked here, but the US Treasury Department has bigger issues to worry about and fights to pick right now.

Coming one day after OSCE monitors were fired on in Russia and after a week of non-stop complaining about Kiev forces' use of artillery around the MH17 crash site, it is indefensible, and undercuts the notion that OSCE is even a neutral observer.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 10:37 | 5048694 Anarchy 99
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well stated

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:13 | 5048893 basho
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british, german, swiss press + tv are absolutely Russophobic. it's absolutely disgusting. no one thinks just follows.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:16 | 5048909 Winston of Oceania
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So you live in Hungary, Italy or Rumania all of whom are famous for running from Russians. Well the Rumanians fought for awhile... I think the Poles and especially the east germans harbor a great dislike for Russians in general.

FREE KONIGSBERG!!!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:59 | 5048493 messystateofaffairs
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Russians can do a lot with a little. They are also good at camoflage and forward looking. They might not have as little as it appears, imagine what they could do with a lot.  Booby needs to poke them some more for his neocon masters so we can find out.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:34 | 5048072 IridiumRebel
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Oh wonderful! Don't major world wars begin usually with No Fly Zones?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:40 | 5048107 knukles
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Huh... Come to think of it....

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:31 | 5048329 The Chief
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That will make it a little harder for ZioCons to fly the opium out of Afghanistan, dont you think? Or, for that matter, fly more bullets and USO shows INTO the area for "The Troops".

Fuck it. Let's get this party started. I'm too old and broken down to play personally, but always enjoy great fireworks.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 10:32 | 5048660 BlindMonkey
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I know that's how the American revolution started in Lexington and Concord. That English no-fly-zone was not well thought of by the colonists.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:33 | 5048073 Bill of Rights
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COMEX open must keep gold red

 

https://www.tradingview.com/x/VI5fyjPP/

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:46 | 5048133 Sudden Debt
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and there goes silver again also...

that shit is so depressing...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:45 | 5049440 DoChenRollingBearing
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Think long term.  Stay the course, my friend!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:37 | 5048086 JustObserving
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War may develop much faster than most expect:

EU, US intensifies confrontation with Russia


By Christoph Dreier 
5 August 2014

 

The US and European Union are stepping up their campaign against Russia as the Ukrainian army intensifies its attack on the civilian population in the east of the country, unleashing a humanitarian catastrophe. Meanwhile, in leading political and military circles there is increasing talk of a direct military engagement with Russia.

On Sunday NATO head Anders Fogh Rasmussen gave an interview to the French newspaper Midi Libre declaring that the military alliance anticipated “Russian aggression” and would respond accordingly. NATO would “intensify its military maneuvers and draw up new defense plans,” Rasmussen said. He also reiterated his call for a substantial increase in the military budgets of NATO member states.

On the same day, the Ukrainian Interior Minister Arsen Avakov used his blog to call upon the EU and the US not only to supply weapons to the forces controlled by Kiev, but also support the direct intervention of NATO forces to suppress opposition in the east of the country.

A report of the US television network CNN on Sunday made clear how quickly the rationale for a NATO intervention could develop. According to the report, on July 18, just one day after the crash of the Malaysian passenger plane MH17, an American espionage plane was detected by Russian radar and forced to evacuate the Russian exclave of Kaliningrad by a Russian interceptor. The US flight crew apparently thought the situation to be so dangerous that they fled into Swedish airspace without first obtaining permission to do so.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/08/05/ukra-a05.html

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:58 | 5048185 barre-de-rire
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french propaganda saying usa forbid any european press reading over internet...

http://www.wikistrike.com/2014/08/breaking-les-usa-interdisent-la-lectur...

this is total shit junk propaganda to force the hysteria to raise at a non return point.

EU has lost face, forever.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 10:02 | 5048506 oudinot
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As a Canadian, I should be able to read French after 10 years of instruction  I'm quite poor at reading French.

A precis, please, on what the article said?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:12 | 5048883 AE911Truth
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This is related but not exactly what you ask for.
https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/groupkltd.com/NoFlyAccords.pdf

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:33 | 5051167 radiobomb
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tout a fait... et tant mieux.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:07 | 5048865 basho
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verbal war mongering. kiew is losing its ass in eastern UE.

which one of the nato nitwits want a missile up their butt first warsaw? berlin? london? ussa?

nato is a veritable basket case. chk it out for yourself rather than posting this verbal garbage.

rasmussen, cnn, avalov. these are your sources? lol. ever think of looking at what the other side is saying or doing. wake up.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:22 | 5048947 Winston of Oceania
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You must have seen the shape of the russian "war machine" lmao, so you went right for the nukes. PSST the US has more than enough to answer to ALL of russia and your little zipperheaded buddies dipshit...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:38 | 5048091 SubjectivObject
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Dear European Citizens:

As currently an Amerwreckan citizen, I fully support you to tell the US Gimmemint to eF ofF at any opportunity you see.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:40 | 5048103 Son of Captain Nemo
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Great watch on why this "front and center" should be the most important news of the day surpassing "Ebola" and Palestine.  Not gonna need to worry about protection against a virus when you are bullying a superpower with one of the largest numbers of ballistic missile warheads on the planet.

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/mcgrath-on-war-with-russia-they-ha...

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:41 | 5048112 youngman
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I am long sandwich shops in the Anchorage Airport....

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:41 | 5048113 SofaPapa
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All so that Joe Biden's son can get his playground in the Ukrainian gas fields, and his Russian equivalents the same.  The crony capitalist model both sides are operating under is reaching its limits.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:42 | 5048116 JRobby
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Need a script for the books leading up to "the conflict"

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:46 | 5048128 d edwards
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Putin to the world:

I am rubber,

you are glue

what bounces off me

gets stuck on YOU! sucka

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:49 | 5048441 messystateofaffairs
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Jiu jitsu, a speciality of Putin. Maybe that's why he is so good at handling Jews. (Jew Jitsu, get it? Haw haw haw, he redirects their shenanigans agsinst them)

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 10:58 | 5048801 basho
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putin -> judo

judo <> jui jitsu

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:26 | 5051135 radiobomb
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judo was created by Jigoro Kano from a study of Jiu-Jitsu & Aikido, it is the sport version of Jiu-Jitsu. Full contact Jiu-Jitsu is breaking bones/joints/ & strangle-holds, so a bit hard to have a full-on fight without consequence.  Judo was developed to allow full-contact without injury to your opponent.

Hope this helps. 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:48 | 5048122 Bill of Rights
Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:45 | 5048123 Bumbu Sauce
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It's not like Russia actually manufactures anything.  /

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:01 | 5048200 Son of Captain Nemo
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It's not like Russia actually manufactures anything.  /

BS

Tell that to the Indians, Iraqis, Chinese and other assorted Middle Easterners with deep pockets who are buying Russian made weapons "right and left" that actually work at half the cost of what the American MIC charges!  How's that F-35 coming along anyway???...

Oh and did I forget to mention roughly a couple trillion cubic meters of natural gas and oil...

Nah! What could the U.S. possibly be bitter about with regard to Russia?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:20 | 5052030 Aussiekiwi
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The cost of the F35 is irrelevant when you can just print money, of more serious concern is the problems it is having doing tricky technical maneuvers, like turning and climbing, but no doubt they will be solved.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:30 | 5048342 Bumbu Sauce
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I guess mocking what President Obama said is worth a junking here...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 10:44 | 5048741 BlindMonkey
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No worries. If you're right, be proud of the reds. The Barry comment was pathetic. I imagine there will be a montage on YouTube soon about Russian industry overlaid with that quote.

Give any of the Russian helo builders $20 Billion to build a fleet of 21 helos and you will likely meet the stupid set of requirements (toilet on an aircraft with a 300 mi range?) but also get the seats lined with whale penis skin leather.

http://lightfromtheright.com/2014/05/12/presidential-helicopter-upgrades...

(The leather idea came from this SUV. http://jalopnik.com/5380680/15m-russian-suv-features-diamonds-whale-peni...)

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:17 | 5052017 Aussiekiwi
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mmmmm, whale penis skin seats, comfy, will those extend to economy?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:49 | 5048139 petaloka
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HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa! Obomber you are such a turd. You and your EU bullies are picking on the wrong kid at the playground.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:49 | 5048142 therover
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"Well that'll just about cover the fly-bys"

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 10:21 | 5048149 alexcojones
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American new Reality show called,

Sex inThe Wild & Poke The Bear.

Next show called Bear Sent Me To The ER.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:50 | 5048150 NoWayJose
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Yell at bear. Kick bear in ass. Get clawed by bear. Bleed. Repeat.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:03 | 5048830 Grumbleduke
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If you poke a bear, he'll eat you alive. Hence, no repetition.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:55 | 5048163 craus
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Right now the world could use evil aliens invading to bring us all together.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 08:59 | 5048187 Oleander
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Right now RAF escorting a flight from Qatar. Suspected device on board.

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:44 | 5048417 lakecity55
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Ho Ho. The plane is full of "devices."

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:02 | 5048206 youngman
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This should be good for Boeing stock...hard on planes...must buy more...that is if they can get a private loan for the sale..no more government loan support...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 10:07 | 5048526 ThisIsBob
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Hopefully, as they lost 8 x 737 orders on the last sanctions round.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:43 | 5048407 Postal
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Actions, meet Consequences.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:43 | 5048408 lakecity55
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Damn, I am taking my own, programmable IFF transmitter with me on the next flight back to the USSR, er, uhh, USA.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 09:51 | 5048458 Tachyon5321
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Another example of Obama amazing job killing skills.

 

Let not talk about the fact that as of the end of this month all of Wendy's operations in Russia will be closed or the that McDonalds s under attack from Russian food inspectors.

 

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:12 | 5048615 813kml
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The inspectors are wasting their time, it's doubtful they will find any food.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:16 | 5051087 radiobomb
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+1,  813kml. exactly.  spot on.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:24 | 5048964 Winston of Oceania
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I guess the russians that own those franchises and their russian employees will be able to join the "meat grinder" er I mean military to find work...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:35 | 5052101 sethstorm
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So that'd be target practice for the Americans.

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