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Stocks Plunge On Russia Invasion Threat - Give Up All Post-Payrolls Gains
Yesterday, the S&P and Nasdaq bounced hard off the pre-payrolls level from Aug 1st. From the moment US cash equity markets closed yesterday, stocks have been dropping back. But now, thanks to this:
- SIKORSKI: RUSSIAN UNITS POISED TO PRESSURE OR INVADE UKRAINE
- SIKORSKI: RUSSIAN INCURSION WOULD BE HUGE ESCALATION OF CRISIS
- SIKORSKI WARNS RUSSIA ON IMPACT OF CONVENTIONAL WAR IN EUROPE
The Dow, S&P and now Nasdaq have tumbled below yesterday's lows, eradicating all the post-payrolls gains in stocks. Treasury yields are tumbling (5bps off highs) and gold and silver and rising.
All payrolls gains gone...
This is what it looked like close-up... as just 7k S&P e-minis crushed lqiuidity
$ES_F drops through 1920 on 7k + contracts. pic.twitter.com/KdVdRw8quK
— rockhowse (@rockhowse) August 5, 2014
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Of course, as anyone but the machines knows, Poland has been desperate to get a NATO response from the start, and has been hinting at an "imminent" Russian invasion for at least 4 months
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Must be nappy naptime at the PPT Kindergarten.
I wish I could post a chart. There were a few VERY LARGE orders in certain Bear-ETFs a few minutes prior to the big move in the futures. I can't post all of them, but the easiest to see is SDS that had single trades of 25K+ at 13:04:30 & 13:29:00. The average trade size is usually between 1,000 & 2,000. The selloff started at 13:39:00.
So, someone made a few big bets about 10 minutes prior to market moving on this news.
Are you implying some front-running in this fair and efficient marketplace :0
Can't happen here. Not in Amerika
Note: The average trade size is actually between 500 & 1,000
Whoever it was, I front-ran them back when SDS was at $25. S&P very near critical support levels already, but I'm not selling SDS yet.
...waiting for the words from US State Dept during their daily press briefing... they seem to be running a bit late getting started today...
I guess my S&P 2,000 hat will have to stay in the closet another week.
Bullish!
This news was out overnight. Even Cramer refered to it premarket
The news may or may not have been posted overnight, but there was a significant and fast moving mini-selloff starting at 13:39:00, which coincided with the Bloomberg news feed. I was watching my screens, and things moved rather quickly for about 10 minutes.
Of course, I didn't know what the "cause" was until I peaked at ZH.
Everything is back to normal now, that is, whatever normal is.
Sikorski is trying to rescue his mercenaries trapped by the Ukrainian Rebels against the Russian border. Without NATO aka USSA, Poland can nothing except whine like a spoiled girl.
Latina Lover, Indeed. The rebels believe they have trapped a Polish unit inside the pocket of Ukrainian battalions surrounded in the South East Pocket. I read Rebel Social media. Yesterday they were talking that they MAY have surrounded Polish mercinaries in this pocket, thus some units will not surrender and are fighting on. These Poles would not surrender as their fate as foreigners would be very bad. Plus, Poland would be desperate for a diversion to take notice off this potential bombshell. THUS, the Polish minister claims a Russian invasion. You may have hit on why the Poles are now screaming!!!
It's all depends on how many people poland army kill in Ukraine... I think freedom fighters will not accept surrenders from Poland's murderers...
They will keep a couple for show.
The rest will be Katyned.
This is what mercenaries get the big bucks for. Lose and you get a lead pension.
Same as it ever was.
It seems to be a shock to those 'normal' Ukie's passed on to the Russians how well they were treated.
The mercenaries will not expect that so I suspect they will fight to the death, in the expectation that they will be shown no mercy. They will also make sure that few of the others round them survive either. The Militia has no interest in show captives, a slow and nasty death awaits any who survive.
Yes, I read Rebel Social Media as well. I really like the special interest segments. Rebel social media is fucking bankable. Everyone knows this. Ukrainian or Polish social media? Not so much.
remember poland invaded czechoslovakia in the fall of 1938
I remember Japan inveaded Russia 1904
I put in a 1900 even price order today on my Dec. S&P500 contracts and it was exercised; so I took the 13,200$ for the account. I'll short it again if it rallies enough.
If putin is as clever as everyone seems to think he is, then why would he invade Ukraine and give the West the scape goat it needs? I call Bullshit.
He won't invade.
He doesn't want a bankrupt Ukraine.
It is working kinda OK for him atm. He is getting a large influx of Russian speaking people, which he needs, some of them highly skilled factory workers and designers. He is showing the rest of the world how trustworthy the US and NATO is. He will expose the lies over MH17 if he needs to. He is showing his weapons work and, even if it covert, he is a person to be trusted if he is on your side. He is holding the moral high ground, ironically supporting democratic government, now deposed.
The opposite of what Obama is getting.
Ladi da bullshit where is all the peoples money going? There arnt that many on welfare? Russia dosnt have the balls or the money to go to war with Europe. So lets all go back to our daily grind and by tomorrow all will be at record highs again minus gold and silver of course
tyler!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
please refrain from using the deer-in-headlights thumbnail....i just bought some puts.
maybe replace with the good-ole "these aren't dead babies they're human shields" ziotroll pict.
thanks much.
Happy Talk Channel caught with pants down:
http://mediaequalizer.com/brian-maloney/2014/08/a-sudden-plunge-disrupts...
I figure Vlad is going to do something while Obammy is in maatha's vineyard to try and fuck up his vacation. Or maybe just embarrass him a little.
Good luck stopping gravity Mr. Fellen...
that was a big dump. did W&R just sell 3 ES contracts at once, wiping out the bid book? they need to be banned.
100 point Dow drop in mere moments, where are the algos when you need them? On strike for better pay?
Just adding liquidity..that is all
I don't see why all the fuss, it's not even 3:30 yet...
The market's getting very vocal about their desire for an untaper.
"Market".... Lol... there you go using that word again. Hmmmm an untaper.... that would ensure another sandwich for me.
All the dry-powder sitting-on-the-sidelines will make for a strong-rebound for those-willing-to-be-patient.
WTF just happened? Vol was huge...
Is there anything on the wires that I'm missing?
Just investors-locking-in-profits.
Sorry I can't make proper attribution but someone made the comment last week that: "If the United States ever went toe to toe with the Russians, in one day there would be a million young Russian men signing up, willing to die for Mother Russia. How many young American men would be willing to do the same? My guess? Not many."
Gringo. You see those youngters coming over the boarder. They will as it will be contingant on citizinship payoff. Serve, become citizin.
@10mm: Actually, you're quite right. This is exactly the promise given to non-Romans when developing their primarily, mercenary Legions. Having no real loyalty to Rome, the Empire fractured shortly therafter and remained "Rome" in name only.
Yeah, I'm sure they'll do great [/s]. A warm body in a uniform might as well be a corpse.
And the best thing is they dont count in the KIA and neither does the mercs from blackwater. I wonder if they get pension or benefits like citizens. The Gurkha's cant even get K citizenship and their pension is like $20 a month compared to the regular soldier of $2000.. Those same gurkhas get a bigger pension and salary in the indian army.
If Russian proxies had taken over the Mexican government and were in the process of shelling the state of Sonora, I bet a few would.
OK, so if the headline had just said "pressure Ukraine" all of the bots would have ignored it. But since it said "preasure or invade Ukraine" the bots freak the fuck out. I think that someone is gaming the bots. Wouldn't that be interesting if someone did an investigation of the reporters and figured out that they were being paid under the table to put in keywords into their reporting (or better yet they were just doing it for shits and giggles to fuck with the tape).
what a fine transparent system we've allowed to be erected in our names...
maybe a unified twitterflashmob could trip those circuit breakers.
You mean "editors." Much closer to the bosses office.
And this Sikorski is from Poland from what I can find, NATO type.
Interesting history here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War
its nazi season
No flash crash yet?
Good job Janet
TSLA down .50 cents WTF???
/sarc
Told ya. Putin knows Dow 12K or lower is a real problem for the US. Why roll tanks when just talking about rolling tanks gets the job done.
Vlad the Impaler...of the West
Meh...... BTFD, this will be forgotten when the "news" cycle turns. Nice little fake shake out though. you would think the central planners would get oil right in a "war" scenerio. I've never seen oil get cheaper when "war" is about to break out.
Oil better get expensive, or who's going to frack for it?
Tesla means "HAPPY MOTORING!"
For the elect, anyway.
Low oil hurts Russia more than it helps the US
Possibly because a war may be the catalyst that finally pushes the bubble-cart over the cliff, after which much less oil will be needed to grease the wheels of a severely diminished world economy. Maybe?
Are the russians teaching wall street a lesson?
Christ’s Empire: Placement, Discernment, & Perspective
An individual turns the consumer moneylending trade on its head, back when real risks existed, and the Eunuchs for Christ try to build an empire in his name, to eliminate their own risk. Global communication was built to jump those artificial empire borders, and the Bay Area Rockstars are employing it to build more concentration camps within concentration camps, to print more money.
And the biggest complainers are the beneficiaries, carrying around SMART technology to spy on each other, complaining about the resulting income inequality. So, Japan is the latest failure, to save America from itself, but here comes the big bad bear from the north, in yet another currency war, after yet another demographic collapse, leading to another war, which changes what?
Of course the emerging markets, copying the demographic boom/bust financing of the more mature scale economies are being crushed, with best business practice of FILO feudalism. Depleting long-term natural resources for short-term material gain, employing the planet as an ATM, is the whole point; employ the critters like bulldozers and discard them when the job is done.
“Procyclicality and Structural Trends in Investment Allocation in Insurance and Pension Funds…accountancy and regulations have been introduced that accentuate these human foibles…they have bought bucketfuls of bonds in the teeth of what might be the biggest fixed income bubble…short-termism is slowly but surely being hard-wired into the financial system.”
“[L]ongevity is the defining challenge of our age…having a seismic effect on the way we live…straining budgets and skewing markets.” “Lord Livingston, the Trade Minister, has also warned that the City should expect some pain from the ban on certain Russian companies tapping international markets.”
On one end of the feudalist spectrum, you have monopolies paying themselves to print money, living on the other end, individuals competing with billions of other individuals on a credit gradient up to 25%, and the only growth is coming from those not complying, denied access to established credit channels. Where do you suppose organic growth really comes from, and what do you suppose is going to happen in the middle?
From the perspective of labor, leadership is about taking individual initiative, ownership, and the consensus, the status quo buffer of feudalism, is always in your path, installing yet another toll booth. Engaging the consensus to get anything done is like messing with someone else’s horse, expecting it to consider your interests, given that it cannot consider its own interest, while in captivity.
Consensus at the top is not dissimilar to what you see in public education, children grouping up out of insecurity, and bullying the remainder to step in line, a copy of their parents. University simply concentrates the stupidity into specialties. The last critters you want in charge of your children’s education is the committee consensus, using each other like disposable rungs, on a ladder to nowhere.
“We tend to get so focused on size in this world. How many Facebook friends we have, how many people come to our party, how many contributed to our cause…Because whenever we label something as “big” or “small” it’s always a comparison to something else. Comparison is dangerous because it’s about more or less. It pushes us either toward pride or insecurity…Be certain that your work is beyond measure.”
All empires are clocks, operated by civil marriage, feudalism of, by and for feudalism. Relationships only follow behavior, which only follows the law, to leverage the gravity of History. The critters are always marching into History, but that’s no reason to join the crowd. How much gravity you want, of which there is never a scarcity, depends upon your development.
Have you ever poured slow-cooking oats into boiling water? That’s gravity and that’s technology. All empires are cheap imitations of life in a mirror, competing to avoid parenting themselves. Of course they are coming for your children. Prepare your children accordingly, to walk right through the war, with the necessary spirit to jump the intellectuals, trapped in their own false assumptions.
The problemsolution of technology is that the individual serves the machine, instead of the other way around, in a bait and swap, which makes those who print the money, those who establish the law, and those who follow the law irrelevant, other than as an extension of gravity. Look at the patient charts and outcomes, not the data collected for the purpose of extending fiat. The critters use each other as lab rats, assuming that the behavior is normal.
You are not going to replace the integral with a cheap derivative simulating it. No matter how many timers you try, you learn nothing, but the convention of comical constants, false assumptions embedded in public education by doctors for the purpose. Look at the history; healthcare has always been a scam, perpetrated upon those who turn to superstition, the short cut, by those taking the short cut before them.
Begin at the beginning, your own perspective, or be paid in debt to become derivatively irrelevant. Don’t attempt to impose feudalism upon labor and expect anything other than death as ROI, slow or quick, pick your poison. Silicon Valley is welcome to all the dead inventory it can carry. Build just as many “state of the art” hospitals as you like, in the face of demographic collapse.
Cliff Notes, please.
I usually just microwave my oats. Boiling water on the stove takes too long.
Only real question is whether they will do it with Germany's blessing? My guess is regardless, it will be a cold winter in Europe everywhere EXCEPT Berlin...
Less than 1 minute b/t post and LOTD. *golf clap*
Need more Sikorski choppers, stat!
That is a pile of excrement.
Stocks plunged because central command desires so.
I think you are splitting hairs at this point. Stocks are down because central command says so because scary headlines say they should be so...now we just have to be patriotic and btfd
:-)))
BTFD in RSX....
Excrement knows and can identify with other excrement.
You have better things to look after in life rather than reading my useless comments
not only useless, but false with nefarious purposes.
LOL
You actually take me seriously?
LOL
Poles are a hotheaded bunch, always looking to fight first and talk after. Which usually just results in them getting steamrolled. Good luck America, I wouldn't dare fight with the Poles on my side.
Agreed, Poland's nice flat plain has been a great invasion route for centuries, even moreso in the advent of mechanized warfare. Steamrolled is about the most accurate way to describe what will happen if they were fully engaged (and they know this). This is why they've been screaming for NATO from the day they exited the Warsaw Pact.
//Poland is "warning" Russia not to protect Russians living in a Nazi Ukrainian state from ethnic cleansing and oppression, while Poland sends mercenaries to "cleanse" the Russians? That's rich.
I think it's Poland that needs to come to grips with what they are supporting and understand that Russia is not going to watch Russians be cleansed or genocided.
I think Poland is still feeling a bit butt hurt over that little incident in the forest outside Smolensk in 1940. They are afraid that if the Russians get their hands on any Polish mercenaries, they will do exactly the same, just to spite them. Hell, the Russians will probably put on NKVD uniforms just to hammer the point home harder and get extra lulz out of the whole affair.
So this is fear of Russian invasion? ..... Gold kicks a bit up $8 off lows, Silver .... fuck all. Bullshit.
Silver is their achilles heel.
As long as the Fed can print and futures can be settled in cash, the sell side pressure and take downs will continue. The only thing that can stop this is the abandonment of the dollar. Tick tock BITCHEZ.
Interesting how this whole Ebola escalation and headline splash comes right in time to wipe MH-17 out of the headlines..somebody wants those questions to all go away.
Where is the U.S. proof this was done by separatists?
Where is the ATC tapes of what happened in the cockpit?
I think Putin knows they were trying to false flag him.
Let's wait what the Albanian foreign minister states on this...
Albanian foreign minister: "Een Russia, Ukraine invades YOU!"
http://www.independent.mk/articles/7990/Albanian+Volunteers+Fight+in+Ukr...
Albanian Volunteers Fight in Ukraine Against Pro-Russian Forces -
The Dow is @ the 200 day avg. so this should be interesting to watch over the next couple of hours.
http://i.imgur.com/zns8Ldt.png
A very adequate analogy of the DOW at the moment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3IQTjOMewg
Invasion of Russia should actually be positive for stocks since it makes an end to the hostilities.
Of course the US will make sure with it's propganda machine that the MSM reports the opposite.
wait a damn minute...today is Tuesday.
Friday is the new Tuesday. Didn't you get the memo?
silly me... i forgot with all the Ebola stuff in das newz
It will NOT repeat NOT be an invasion.
The troops will be there to protect the humanitarian mission.
This has just come out from Moscow, they don't stop working in the evenings!
Russia will persistently promote the initiative on setting up a humanitarian mission in violence-torn eastern Ukraine, the Foreign Ministry said on Tuesday.
The ministry sharply criticized the Kiev regime for ignoring the obvious humanitarian crisis in the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk people’s republics, where the civilian population has been caught in the midst of fighting between Kiev-led forces and pro-independence militia.
"We consider Kiev’s refusal to cooperate in satisfying the humanitarian needs of the population as an absolutely irresponsible attitude," the ministry said in a statement.
"Russia believes it is absolutely necessary to mobilize the international community for providing emergency assistance to the Donetsk and Luhansk regions where the residents are facing an imminent humanitarian catastrophe," the statement said.
http://en.ria.ru/news/20140805/191756462/Moscow-to-Insist-on-Setting-Up-...
Just like the "humanitarian crisis" in Crimea, right?
Maybe this has something to do with it?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/05/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/index.html?hpt...
A NATO quote, no PR dog in the fight then!
UK gold prices all over the place last 15 minutes
No live price here ....
http://www.bullionbypost.co.uk
haven't seen that before !
The yahoo ticker page for the DOW was messed up for a minute, and it showed a big drop (percentagewise) for the day, then it locked up.
Refreshed a minute later there were just dashes where the numbers go. Refreshed again, and it was all normal; down 1.4 or something. Something happened very quickly then got as quickly 'adjusted'.
This mf going down.
Dow needs to fall another 90 points to hit the 200ma.
Very strange reaction in the PM sector - gold took off, but silver is completely non-concerened, never seen this happen before.
In this article, there is a notion of encircled Polish mercenaries refusing to surrender:
Sikorski once said he did not have any knowledge of Polish troops fighting for Kiev Junta in Donbas.
But, but, but . . . .
I'll label myself an idiot before everyone else does but I'm ready to be crucified. My fucked up "not tainted by Joe Lavorgna" brain tells me the following as more than likely:
- ES bottoms intermediate term in the 1890-1905 range and then rockets up to new all time highs perhaps around 2100 through the second half of August and through September. I know, I know it's crazy but I see one more momo monkey bonanza. After that maybe THE crash to the bottom of the megaphone but will analyze if/when there.
- Gold drips down to 1150ish into the mid to late fall and from there resumes the long term bull. Even I am considering getting long at this point if/when this happens.
If ES plunges hard with volume through 1880-1890 then I see it differently. if not then as absurd as it seems I see one more hopium thrust.
invasion threat? Unlikely.
Very unlikely.
Bullshit stocks plunge on obvious, this is a reality adjustment.
How is Russia with their 15% tax a threat to any equities?
If anybody is a threat to stocks its the broke Socialist EU, Russia is a threat to US Big Government, they can say no, FUCK YOU, YOU PAY US, cut your bloated welfare state and pay bills America or get the power turned off.
When People Invade Russia (East and North) they need to keep a weathered eye out, AKA Mr Napoleon and Mr Hitler. Mr Putin invades now heading west and south just at the start of the Holiday season the Russian army is going to be held up with the Dutchies and their caravans.
Will the Russian Soldiers be thinking "Munich by Octoberfest" (BTW Octoberfest is in September)
Sikorski loves to wave the red flag of Russian "aggression" to get NATO excited. His idea of dangerous Russians is anybody driving within 50km of the border.
Poland really wanted the launch codes when Bush Jr. put missiles in Poland back in 2007/2008. They were furious when we would not give them the codes, considered the missiles useless otherwise. And of course they were not aimed at Iran but Moscow.
Hey, bubalas
It's practically the 202nd anniversary of the battles of Smolensk and Borodino, which preceded Napoleon's occupation of Moscow and his eventual defeat.
Kutuzov let the French believe they were winning, but they really weren't.
Now President Bumblefuck in Kiev thinks he's winning, but he's not either.
Napoleon was done in by Generals January and February. Poroshenko will soon meet up with Generals Iskander and S400.
more horse shit. If Russia wanted Ukraine's arse they would have had it along time ago.
The only reason they would go in full board is that FSB got whiff that they had some pretty serious shit about to be sent to Russia. Only then would they go in to defend (pre-emptively). Otherwise, Ukraine isn't worth it. Waste land anyway with the illegal criminals in-charge. Russia just needs to watch them whither away with the so called Western support. The Anglo/US won't give a rats arse about them and will leave them to die. Eastern EU nations are waking up now to the so called Western fight for freedom, which is really no fight, just a gimmick to destroy your own country so that it can get into more debt and they can get resource more or less free. Plain and simple.
Time to elect a President of the United States of America and support the military coup against the NWO in the meantime.
Oops wrong universe.
I remember the situation in the the Serbia area years ago.The EU sat back for a long time and did nothing.Too many bad wet dreams for Germans from two world wars that went very badly.Not much different for Ukraine.The corrupt bunch at the top of the EU will just be feasting,drinking and chasing broads while another civil war rages in their own back yard.That whole country is going to look like Detroit's industrial wastelands.
The EU is on holiday. This was never planned to last this long.
Superimpose on all these US/EC Stocks/Bond charts, the intra trade and investment flows of BRICS & Others as well as the estimates of the underground economy ttrade/investment flows of these countries and you get a different pix (not talking here about flows from drugs, arms, mondeylaudering, etc but basics).
From the perspective of some global investors, US is a family bankster biz. There are still large strips of land left not yet reverted to third world patches. There are still juices in the pension funds and mutual funds of the savings of the little people to be raided by the family. So put some bets on big pharmas, defense contractors and Goldman (no one else) that are subsidized and hedge the $ exposure. For niches, buy real estates trusts holding more gated compounds of the top 1%.
Sit back then and enjoy the daily entertainments from CNN & Bloomberg and you review your portfolios after the tail (financial sector) that wags the dog gets exhausted and fall.
These charts and the spins around them are not the microcosm of the global economy just porns for feeding self delusions that btw the banksters encourage as they concoct their next potions.
Not even talking about Europe and of course the EM markets are also dirts but not accumulating at the pace of US/EC markets.