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Stunning Images: Gaza, Before And After

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Satellite imagery released by the UN shows, courtesy of The Wall Street Journal, the destruction in hard-hit Gaza neighborhoods.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Tue, 08/05/2014 - 13:35 | 5049751 NOTW777
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hamashedge

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 13:39 | 5049771 blackholes
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Fascinating comment.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 13:41 | 5049787 NOTW777
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formerly covering markets - now dedicated to hating jews and reporting like cnbc

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 13:43 | 5049802 Landrew
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You mean reporting WAR CRIMES!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 13:46 | 5049836 JLee2027
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Shooting random rockets and mortars into Israel is a war crime.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 13:48 | 5049853 Sandmann
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under what Clause ? Specify how it is a War Crime ? I am interested in the jurisprudence

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 13:50 | 5049866 john39
Tue, 08/05/2014 - 13:52 | 5049892 JLee2027
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Your message is always the same. I hate Joos. Joos are bad. They lie. They kill....blah blah blah.

How do you feel about HAMAS? Be clear now.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 13:53 | 5049907 ZerOhead
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Wait until you see the 'nuclear option' Cameron has in mind for those Scottish "huddled masses yearning to be free"

Think you can have your own state you terrorist bitches? Didn't learn anything from Gaza or Donetsk? Go ahead and vote... he dares you!

 

Glasgow > Glassglow

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 13:55 | 5049917 BellyBrain
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Yes, it's clearly anti-semetic to show the TRUTH about what the Israeli military is doing to the defenseless civilians in Gaza.  Funny though, because the Ashkenazi Jews aren't actually semetic.  The Palestinians are the semetic people in this conflict.

 

But never mind the truth...the truth is damaging to Zionist Israel, so let's just listen to their lies and pretend that wanton death and destruction is an appropriate response to rockets that never do any damage to anything or anyone in Israel.

 

Further, let's NOT ask ourselves WHY a "terrorist" organization can't seem to get their act together well enough to actually HIT SOMETHING in Israel.  Let's not wonder if those rockets are being fired by IDF forces as a self-inflected wound / false-flag so they will have a convenient excuse to continue their genocidal pogrom against Palestine.

 

In conclusion, I'd like to tell all of the Zionist shills:  WE CAN SEE THROUGH YOUR LIES.  Please gather up some shreds of honor and commit seppuku.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 13:57 | 5049936 boogerbently
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By studying them, can you tell where hamnas was in those pics ?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 14:12 | 5049996 BellyBrain
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The mind-control of the Israeli population is truly staggering.  Notice how robotic some of these pro-war people are, and how much cognitive dissonance they reveal in their words.  They are conditioned that "the arabs" are violent, so therefore they must be destroyed.  Never mind that the Zionist Jews are committing war crimes constantly.  That's not violent in their programmed little minds. 

 

They think it is MORAL to "flatten Gaza into a parking lot."  There is Zionist Jew morality for you.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abZXmTkuZoY

 

And to dispell the "surgical strike" bullshit, here is another picture of Gaza during the destruction:

 

http://smpalestine.com/2014/07/30/imgur-gaza-looks-like-actual-hell-on-e...

 

We are witnessing genocide in real time here, people.  And it is disgusting.   

 

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 14:15 | 5050076 ajax
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Alright America, it's time to rein in your Hebrews again...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:19 | 5050263 remain calm
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I say Bullshit! That is Chicago pre and post Obama presidency

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:14 | 5051325 StormShadow
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Detroit

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:22 | 5051351 Anusocracy
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@JLee2027

Not going to let you frame the debate, dipwad.

I hate the Jewish government. The Jewish people are fine with me unless they support their government.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:22 | 5052041 J S Bach
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What I'd like to see are the horrible before-and-after pictures of all those highly-destructive Hamas missiles which are alleged to have wreaked so much damage on Israeli homes and other real estate.  I'm sure they'll be forthcoming very soon.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:28 | 5052066 JLee2027
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Iron Dome stops most. 

 

Ask and ye shall receive:

https://www.google.com/search?q=google+hamas+missile+damage&newwindow=1&...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:25 | 5052333 gonetogalt
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I spent 5 months very near the DMZ in in '68. Under daily or near daily rocket fire by 107 mm and 122 mm rockets. My understanding is that the Katusha rockets fired daily into Israel are variants, homemade copies of these rockets. To catagorize these BMFs as some kind of harmless fireworks is beyond disingenous, they are terrifing and I lost plenty friends to them.

I no way endorse the Zionist ideal future, etc, etc, but after getting these things dropped on my country nearly daily for 8 years, I'd kill anybody I needed to to put an end to that shit.

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:07 | 5052496 Four chan
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the leaders of all these religions are closer to atheists than the fanatic brainwashed because they know its all bullshit, a facade and a sham. 

we now know man has flourished for 10s of thousands of years before the two current conflicted lies, and liars ever showed their ugly faces.

this is all for nothing and pointless.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 03:57 | 5052933 Paveway IV
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"...My understanding is that the Katusha rockets fired daily into Israel are variants, homemade copies of these rockets..."

Katushas? Really... Well, your understanding is terribly flawed. These are sugar-engine pipe rockets that usually don't have warheads becaue Palistinians can't get explosives or fuzes. They pose about the same level of threat as a falling piece of pipe, but most don't even fall into populated areas according to Israel. Why are you comparing them to HE-filled artillery rockets?

"...To catagorize these BMFs as some kind of harmless fireworks is beyond disingenous, they are terrifing and I lost plenty friends to them..."

I characterize them as harmless fireworks relative to the U.S.-made DIME zyklon cancer bombs and 2000 lb. JDAMS Israel showers on Gaza children every day. By the way, you - personally - have lost more friends than all of Israel has to these BMF rockets this year. Israeli casualties from rockets: ZERO. One Israeli died from what was claimed to be a mortar round a week or two ago, but it probably wasn't from Gaza. They just hyped it that way.

"...I no way endorse the Zionist ideal future, etc, etc, but after getting these things dropped on my country nearly daily for 8 years, I'd kill anybody I needed to to put an end to that shit..."

How about if you had your farm and house taken from you and all your family and friends by some God damn foreigner who then disarmed you and put you in an walled, barbed-wire concentration camp in the desert? Then you find out the little land they haven't stolen from you has oil - enough to let you and your family and friends live like human beings again - but they took that, too. Then, to punish a few guys in your concentration camp, they locked the gates and said nothing gets in or out without their explicit permission. 

Remember, you and everyone else you know didn't lose their homes and farms for eight years - you lost it FOREVER.

So... would you still kill anybody you needed to to put and end to that shit? 

Well, you fucking CAN'T. You're not allowed out of your concentration camp, people can't bring anything in or out and you're completely disarmed. 

Do you get it now?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:29 | 5052082 JLee2027
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And tell us, what is the problem with the Government? That they won't give back Israel ?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 14:46 | 5050288 chumbawamba
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Another successful intervention and resolution of peace thanks to the unifying spirit and power of the United Nations.

lol.

I am Chumbawamba.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:04 | 5050427 Leonardo Fibonacci2
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Good job Nuttynyahoo

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:26 | 5050572 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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If the Joos are dumb enough to think they can hold that shithole, completely surrounded by Muslims and without the aid of the failing Goyim states, then let them try. Good riddance. Bye, bye.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:46 | 5050682 SumTing Wong
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Damn, they even bombed the green out of the countryside in Beit Lahiya. Those bombing guys are good. 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:09 | 5050788 Bunghole
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I noticed that too in the Atatra pictures.

I say there is some BS in those before and after photos.  There are trees missing in the after picture which should be there.

I'm no fan of Nutty Yahoo and the Zionists, but the dates on these pics cant be right.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:14 | 5050806 666
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It's a good thing they destroyed the crops and farmland there. All that food was terroristic.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:06 | 5051036 Poundsand
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Location, location, location.  Having actually been there, the most interesting thing I found was the Hamas leaders who's villa was right next door to a Christian church.  Why?  Everyone knew that the Israeli's would avoid hitting the church at all costs.  None of those rockets were fired from a Hamas leaders home, I guarantee you that.  Likely commondeered a location, fired and ran before the counter fire landed.

Unfortunate for those who lived in homes they fired from.  Spare me the outrage.  It's war, same as it ever was, and when it gets serious, same as it always will be.  Think the British apologized for ransacking homes during the revolutionary war?  Please...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 19:48 | 5051659 Quus Ant
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Having actually been there I found many things interesting.  Like uprooted Palestinian olive trees stacked twenty feet high.  Or how Israel directs their sewage onto Palestinian land.  Or how settlers throw trash down from their apartments onto palestinians. 

And everyone's favorite tourist trap- the checkpoints.  I'm sure Americans would gladly live under such conditions- for the chosen people, of course!

oh.... memories. 

BTW when you cram millions of people into a breadbox everything's next door to everything else. 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:22 | 5052310 cockroachfuture
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Yea guys, dont be mad about innocent people getting killed. Its war. See, when we arbitrarily select certain acts of aggression and label them war, then you can no longer feel outrage about rape and murder that may occur as a result of them, because whe have packaged them into an abastract concept that we have brainwashed you to beleive is above morality. If yall dont understand that then please go back to public school, turn on the news networks and rent some good ol fashioned hollywood war movies. Sure to cleanse you of all that outrage.

But when hamas does it its not war. We label that terrorism. So you have to be angry about it.

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:20 | 5052538 disabledvet
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"It took a lot of effort Prime Minister but we finally caught the kid who killed those three Israelis."

"Excellent job Fire Marshall! You will receive the Holy Land's highest honor!"

I mean seriously...three Israeli civilians were killed by these rocket barrages. The after action review of this carnage really ain't pretty. This was murder plain and simple...with no military objective named or achieved just "a civilian jet liner just got downed in Ukraine...LET'S GO FOR IT!"

I'm sorry...who's paying for the rebuilding effort again?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:52 | 5050693 SMG
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Satanist Albert Pike wrote this in the 1870's.   Don't fall into the Oligarchs divide and conquer trap.  Israel and Hamas are both puppet governments.

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustionWe shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:10 | 5051309 BellyBrain
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While the general themes of that "letter" are accurate, Pike most likely did not write it.  The term Zionism didn't even exist in 1870, neither did Nazism (in the full "letter").  Here is a good critical analysis of it:

 

http://wideshut.co.uk/albert-pikes-3-world-wars-letter-hoax-wideshut-web...

 

But yea...this whole conflagration looks like it's being set up to trigger a third world war with Israel as the "sacrificial state" so the Jews can continue to claim ultimate victim status. (I guarantee you that all the most powerful Zionists won't be in Israel when the hammer falls.)

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:52 | 5051462 SMG
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Oh Pike most definitley wrote that.  And the history of Zionism coinsides with when Pike wrote these things.

"Zionism as an organized movement is generally considered to have been fathered by Theodor Herzl in 1897; however the history of Zionism began earlier and related to Judaism and Jewish history. The Hovevei Zion, or the Lovers of Zion, were responsible for the creation of 20 new Jewish settlements in Palestine between 1870 and 1897.[1]"

  And if you read what he said, the only who wins are the Luciferians, and they will destroy  Jews, Christians, and Muslims.   And either we band together and stop them, or we destroy each other, with their help.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 19:39 | 5051641 Rusty Shorts
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well well, this makes sense now...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMEot_ffP7w

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 20:37 | 5051845 Milton Waddams
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"And either we band together and stop them, or we destroy each other, with their help."

Or this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evIyrrjTTY

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 20:55 | 5051924 newdoobie
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zionist jews have been trying to create a jewish state since the 16th centry

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:06 | 5051966 Seek_Truth
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They sure have used that six million number through the ages:

http://lovkap.blogspot.com/2010/09/ooops-6-million-jewish-holohoax-centr...

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 01:38 | 5052824 vaft
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I'm not sure I follow why the simultaneous eradication of all three abrahamic religions is a bad thing ... ?

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 20:16 | 5051775 MedTechEntrepreneur
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Shocking stupidity of Anti-Zionists.  It's no wonder you idiots wouldnt use usury, made the Jews do it and now hate them for getting rich.  Total lack of critical thinking skills.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:12 | 5051994 The_Prisoner
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Anyone who does not put money 1st is branded as stupid in your book. You think everyone goal is to get rich?

Some people are happy with being left alone, to live with their families and exploit intellectual or spiritual endeavours. But a cult of race-supremacists decided those should be exploited like cattle.

The hubris...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 14:16 | 5050081 James T. Kirk
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Israel is the size of a postage stamp, and the stated mission of Islam is to eradicate Israel from the face of the earth. In 1948, 1967, and 1973, this was in fact attempted. How in the hell is the suspicion of Israel towards Arab states a result of "mind control?" I would appreciate a thoughtful response to this post, and not an avalanche of hatred.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 14:20 | 5050117 hedgeless_horseman
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...the stated mission of Islam is to eradicate Israel from the face of the earth...

Citation, please?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 14:24 | 5050156 PartysOver
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Not Islam but Hamas Charter/Covenant.  2nd prargraph "and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel.["

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Covenant

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 14:28 | 5050186 hedgeless_horseman
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It would be nonsense to say that a religion created around 610 even contemplated a nation that was not created until 1948.

Israeli independence in 1948 was marked by massive migration of Jews from both Europe and the Muslim countries to Israel, and of Arabs from Israel leading to the extensive Arab–Israeli conflict.

 

At the age of 40 in 610 CE, Muhammad is said to have received his first verbal revelation in a cave named Mount Hira, which was the beginning of the descent of the Quran that continued up to the end of his life;

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 14:32 | 5050210 john39
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Shiekh Imran has discussed this bit of zionist propganda in several of his videos.   There is a warning in Koran, according to Imran, that good Muslims should not ally with a very specific subset of people, christians and Jews who have allied with each other...  in other words, zionists.     This excludes non-zionist Christians and Jews.  

Btw, imho, not hard to see the wisdom in that teaching, also not hard to see that many Sunni Muslim leaders have ignored that teaching and have allied themselves with the zionists, to the detriment of their people... 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:03 | 5050419 I am more equal...
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Israel preexisted Moo-ham-id and the paleostink state of confusion.

As for Israel, I want to repeat a football cheer I hear often...

'hit again, harder, harder...'

It easy to negotiate with dead people.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:29 | 5050489 hedgeless_horseman
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Israel preexisted Moo-ham-id and the paleostink state of confusion.

Jewish, Christian, and Muslim scripture all agree that Ismail, the ancestor of Muslims, was born before his brother, Isaac, the ancestor of Jews.

Even in Jewish tradition the firstborn son gets the inheritance.

Abraham: A Journey to the Heart of Three Faiths, P.S. Edition
Bruce Feiler, $    10.39 


In today's world where all sides try to dehumanize the enemy, we should understand that Jews, Christians, and Muslims pray to the same God. 

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:41 | 5050662 RET
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Ishmael was ancestor of Arabs, not Muslims.  Islam is a religion, Muslims are its adherents, they can be of any race.  Arabs, many of which are muslims, practice other religions as well, of note Christianity.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:50 | 5050696 Wolferl
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@ horseman

 

Abraham is just a myth, a story invented by some early Semits in a mountain area in the Levant. So are the other guys you name. That said, in this fairytail story Ismael is the son of a slave, so he has no rights at all.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:57 | 5050743 hedgeless_horseman
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Ismael is the son of a slave, so he has no rights at all.

Like Moses, or different?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:39 | 5052602 Erudite Redneck
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I probably will not explain this very well but Pastor David Jerimiah has a great sermon on it.  You are correct about the first born.  The theme if you look at the whole of the bible:  Adam the first man, caused sin to enter the world, Jesus Christ the second born if you will the secon Adam was perfect and paid the price for sins for all mankind.  As well Ishmael is the son of the flesh and Isaac is the son of the promise of God.  Most posters on here are correct about being disgusted with the term God's choosen people but people sould try to understand most of Israel has and will perish, God always spares a remnant.  The people are chosen because they are entrusted with the Oracles of God, they are supposed to be the shining example to the world but by an large they have misrepresented him.  They are also temporarily cast off during this time of the gentiles.  I can understand a lot of the hatred for the jews but God is not done with Israel, it is him time piece and in the end a small remnant will be saved again.  They have rejected the Christ and most Zio Christians like myself do not support the killing of innocent children etc and we are not rejoicing becuase there will be more war.  We are zionists in the sense that the rebirth of Israel is the fulfillment of prophecy and it means the return of Jesus is near.  I repeat it is not because we support jews who still reject Christ or the oppression of the indigenous peoples.  I see the ongoing problems Israel is creating as fitting perfectly with Revelations, they will draw all the nations against them.... Can you see that happening with their current and ongoing behavior?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 19:53 | 5051687 Al Huxley
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Why is it that there's only 1 nation in the world, one group of people in the world, who can spew such virulent, hate-filled propaganda and not only NOT be called out on it, but actually get supported for it?  What the fuck is wrong with you people?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:47 | 5052143 Cathartes Aura
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"What the fuck is wrong with you people?"

 

religion is what's wrong.  opiate of the masses I tell ya. . .

until folks grow up, learn to think for themselves, and dis-regard cultural fairy tales told to pre-serve "order"

then this is the human condition.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 00:50 | 5052758 xavi1951
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Your ignorance of Islam is astounding!  NOT the same God!  Allah is derived from Al-ilah (a pagan moon god) a black stone in the temple Kaaba in Mecca.  Mohammad did not claim any relation to Abraham until after he co-opted the Bible and Tora.  He then refered to the Christians and Jews as People of the Book.  Islams treatment of People of the Book changed when Mohammad had unfavorable dealings with them and claimed Jerusalem belonged to the Muslims, which many useful idiots believe to this day.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 04:42 | 5052951 conscious being
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All three religeons call out Ahmen, The Egyptian Sun God Ahmen-Ra.

Open your mind and look it up. Rusty's link to a short UTube on Gennesis is interesting. You might all be worshiping Satan by mistake.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:34 | 5050621 rick4654
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At the age of 40, Mohammad was having sexual relations with 9 year ol little girls

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:56 | 5050669 hedgeless_horseman
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At the age of 40 many Roman Catholic priests are having sex with 9 year old little boys, and at the age of 40 Jewish soldiers and politicians are melting the skulls of 9 year old little girls with chemical weapons.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:25 | 5050901 I am more equal...
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By the age of 40 most paleostinks have tied children to buildings containing weapons to create photo opportunities giving morons and lemmings opportunity to post them and cry indignation.  Who is sicker, the adult who tied their child to the building or the lemming posting the photo op pic?

 

All those who support the paleostinkians are on the same side as Jimmy Carter. 

The formerly worst president now trying desparately to reclaim that trophy again. 

 

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 19:47 | 5051667 Muh Raf
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Who uses civilians as human shields? To this day not one Israeli has been held to account for this. And what about the murder of Rachel Corrie with a bulldozer? A bulldozer hits an empty bus in Israel this week and the driver is shot dead. The guy who murdered Rachel Corrie lied that he could not see her out of the cab window and he's never been labelled a terrorist. Thank God that we were not born into a sh*t existence like the Palestinians. Israeli human shield war crimes - http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/israeli-high-court-israeli-soldie...

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 05:33 | 5052979 Manthong
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Shit HH.. c'mon, do you think that the photo is NOT propaganda?????

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 20:53 | 5051910 NoPension
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Mess with the bull, get the horns.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 19:58 | 5051707 Muh Raf
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you're just repeating tired old orientalist lies thathave been exposed and deconstructed repeatedly. Call the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, a pedophile at your own peril, but I check your facts carefully before making such a substantial allegation against someone who is not here to defend himself. You should even pause for thought about the remote possibility that he was a righteous man since God himself will avenge false allegations. 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 02:36 | 5052890 effendi
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Muhummad was Satans prophet. He was a sexual deviant who lusted after a girl who was a toddler and was fucking her some years later when she was 8 or 9. He also fucked at least one relative (who here fucks their sons wife?). You follow a dead pyscopath and you need to worry about Gods wrath.

Unlike most posters here I can read Arabic and can read the koran and hadiths for myself. Nothing needs deconstructing except islam.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 04:47 | 5052954 conscious being
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There is a lot of hateful, perverse stuff in the Talmud. But go ahead, lie all you want. When you're "chosen" you get to. Ain't that right effendi??

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 20:15 | 5051767 Colonel Klink
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Does that mean that Muhammad received his instruction from God Hira?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 04:58 | 5052961 conscious being
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Colonel, I don't understand. I'll have to check on God Hira. But you get a green on general gp. I'm sure you don't have any ego tied up in it, but feedback can always be useful.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:13 | 5051997 Grimaldus
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What is nonsense was the notion that you had any brain at all.

 

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

 

Grimaldus

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 05:10 | 5052965 conscious being
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Fight the Jews must involve fight Israel. The stone is a metaphor for what?  What does zionist Israel hide behind?

Watch "Miracle on Ice". They shout it a lot.

I'm not gloating. Ask not for whom the bell tolls and all that. Hopefully, well intentioned people of all persuasions can come forward and stop the accelarating madness.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 14:29 | 5050188 john39
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Mirror image of Likud's charter...  funny, no?:

http://www.juancole.com/2014/08/charter-destruction-palestinian.html

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 14:49 | 5050316 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Mirror image of Likud's charter...  funny, no?:

http://www.juancole.com/2014/08/charter-destruction-palestinian.html

I wonder if that's why the Israeli youths were singing this happy song:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/gaza-is-a-graveyard-theres-no-school-tomorr...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:58 | 5050981 freak of nature
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That will likely change as Netanyahu has already made a statement regarding a 2 state solution back in 2009.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/full-text-of-netanyahu-s-foreign-policy-spee...

Of course, not met without some opposition, but that's the same as most political entities.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/israeli-elections-2013/israeli-elections-new...

The difference here is that Israel in some form is discussing a solution, unlike Hamas. Hamas need to go.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:37 | 5051197 Kirk2NCC1701
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The Likud is the official political party in the Israeli Knesset (Parliament), that represents REVISIONIST ZIONISM (RZ).  This splinter group in Zionism has become THE dominant version, and is now associated with the term 'Zionism' by default.

BB is an RZ member, as was his father (Benzion Mileikowsky (later Netanyahu)) and his father (Rabi Nathan Mileikowsky) before him.  It's a family business/worldview.

For more info, see...

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netanyahu

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revisionist_zionism

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likud

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Zionism

* Benzion literally means "Son of Zion".  Comes from a line of Polish Jews.  He emigrated to Israel, then the US, as is often the case.  Academic, activist/Zionist.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 14:47 | 5050300 chumbawamba
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"Israel" doesn't have a right to exist.  People do.

I am Chumbawamba.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:55 | 5052440 gonetogalt
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The eradication of israel was also in the Arab League charter, right from the founding in '48.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 05:15 | 5052967 conscious being
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Is that you Jim Kuntsler?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 14:36 | 5050232 LibertyWorks
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"The Day of Resurrection will not arrive until the Moslems make war against the Jews and kill them, and until a Jew hiding behind a rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: 'Oh Moslem, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!'" (Sahih Bukhari 004.52.176)

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:39 | 5050341 hedgeless_horseman
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"It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah."

Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5

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"A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands."

Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b

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"Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God."

Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772

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Yes, neighbors tend to hate each other and kill each other.  So what does Jesus say?

 

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:45 | 5050678 Jumbotron
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Nice try Hedge......now try finding a Jew doing that today.  Try finding the ISIS version of Israel today.  Try Youtubing videos of Jews with gentile hostages doing that today.

The Jews as well as the Chistians have had their Reformation.  We've even had violence between different sects of Judaism and Christianity but no more......at least not on a wide spread, global basis as what we STILL see between different sects of Islam. 

Where is the Muslim Reformation ?  Where is the Muslim Enlightenment ?

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:56 | 5050710 hedgeless_horseman
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Where is the Muslim Reformation ?  Where is the Muslim Enlightenment ?

America and England made sure that the Saudi and Kuwaiti royals would opt for sex, drugs, and personal security instead of funding a Muslim Reformation or Enlightenment.  You must wait to see what the next generation brings.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:37 | 5050900 Manthong
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Sex and drugs.. I could consider getting back into that.

But that is generally contrary to the personal security thing.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 05:26 | 5052975 conscious being
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Depends [not talking about John McCaine's diapers.]

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:59 | 5051003 MarsInScorpio
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Hed:

 

What a line of shit.

 

People that age are fully responsible for their own actions. Try hitting an AA meeting to learn what I mean by that.

-30-

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:24 | 5051127 Poundsand
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Did he just say "funding the reformation"?  Since when was a reformation of one's moral compass ever funded?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 05:21 | 5052972 conscious being
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Complacency can get you in trouble. How do you know its not just the 7th inning stretch?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 07:57 | 5053128 ebear
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Where is the Muslim Reformation ?  Where is the Muslim Enlightenment ?

Get with the bhakti, brother.  It's happening right now.

sisters lead the way:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOAmCvPiFXo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqm3oKvRPXY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkl93WRJoD0


Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:19 | 5050835 Thisson
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You just copied and pasted those from an illegitimate source like Rense.com.

Those are not actual quotes from the Talmud.  They are fabrications.  Just go to any online version of the talmud such as www.Halakhah.com and try to locate those cites.  They don't exist.

OF COURSE, the actual Talmud prohibits killing of gentiles: 

it is forbidden for a Jew to kill a Gentile. (source: Talmud Sanhedrin 57a; "Taz" Y.D. 158:1).

See, for example: http://www.aish.com/atr/Misquoting_the_Talmud.html 

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:40 | 5050914 Manthong
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Oy, so does that mean that the Judeo part of the Judeo-Christian ethic is not inherently evil?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:06 | 5051037 freak of nature
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Not sure why, but that link brings a 404 error if I click through on this forum, even though the link address actually works if copy/pasted directly in the browser.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 20:47 | 5051889 john39
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misquoting... you mean quoting from the version that non jews are not supposed to see or know about:

http://talmudical.blogspot.com/

more from Michael Hoffman:

http://youtu.be/YGUcQI5fFD4

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:09 | 5054006 Thisson
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Ok, you're going to quote a holocaust denier?  May as well quote David Duke.

http://archive.adl.org/presrele/asus_12/the_talmud.pdf 

None of the supposed Talmud quotes are real.  The talmud is translated into English, so this is actually easy for anyone to check if they aren't lazy.  For example, here: http://archive.org/stream/MN40158ucmf_5/MN40158ucmf_5_djvu.txt 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:50 | 5052631 Trogdor
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Regardless of the source, I think that quotes like that are easy to believe as true given the rather common public statements made by Zionists and Jewish religious leaders regarding non-Jews (Gentiles are chattel, Gentiles should work as slaves while Jews live in luxury, Palestinian daughters and mothers should be raped, etc, etc, etc).... and I'm not even going to get into the things they've done to the US (USS Liberty, 911 foreknowledge, etc, etc).  If you want evidence of their mindset, all you need to do is look at what they DO on a daily basis to "Gentiles": Palestinians throw a rock, Jewish snipers shoot a few people.  Jews want a new neighborhood, they just bulldoze people's homes and move in.  Israel has zero moral ground to stand on, and the backlash for a half-century of abusing everyone around them is coming to fruition.  The goyim in the West are starting to wake up and finally see through the endless propaganda of "Jewish victimhood".

For the record, I do believe that there are some good Jewish people - people who truly fight for liberty and justice (true Torah Jews).  One example is Aaron Russo whom I consider an American Hero - he, like many others, called out the evil he was seeing - and the Zionists didn't like it one little bit.... 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 05:33 | 5052981 conscious being
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Baloney.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:34 | 5050891 Kirk2NCC1701
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Like I keep saying, "Extremist, fundamentalist ideologues" on both sides (Israeli and Palestinian) have commandeered the Bus, and everybody is just screaming and freaking, but not doing a damn thing about retaking the Bus."  Sheesh.

Look, I don't doubt that the Zionist Jews (outside of Israel) and Zionist Israelis have these extreme elements.  Nor do I doubt that the Muslim have similarly extreme elements inside and outside the group known as Palestinians.  I accept that as a "Given", and move on to the "Required".

Deep dives into either camp does not solve anything.  Our Mission, should you choose to accept it, is to Solve The Problem:  "Get to a stable and durable solution -- in spite of extremist elements on both sides and powerful secondary combatants/interests (in the background) stirring the Pot."

I propose that, as a rational first step, we ID and "out" the "shit disturbers" on both sides.  I would then suggest that Joe Public on each side gets organized enough at the grass roots, and goes after its own the trouble makers.  Put another way... "Look Mohammad, I'll straighten out my boys, you do the same with yours, and we'll get them to at least stop arguing and shake hands, and live peacefully as neighbors."

Time for the Adults to step in and act like adults, and for the Kids to stop calling the shots.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:37 | 5051398 Muh Raf
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It's not the Day of Resurrection you ignoramus, it's the final hour, meaning the return of Jesus, peace be upon him and his mother as prophecied in the Quraan and not some disputed Sunni hadeeth. This trdition is all about the period known in the New Testament as Revelations. It is prophetics and is not a standing instruction to kill anyone. The murder of anyone is described in the Quraan is equated with the murdering of the whole of mankind. The Quraan makes no distinction on the basis of faith, it is murder of any human being is as if you killed all of them. From these verses it is easy to see that ISIL/ISIS are not acting according to Islaam which they profess to love so much.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:50 | 5051803 nmewn
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Kitman, makara and taqiyya...its like a trifecta.

007.099
YUSUFALI: Did they then feel secure against the plan of Allah?- but no one can feel secure from the Plan of Allah, except those (doomed) to ruin!
PICKTHAL: Are they then secure from Allah's scheme? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's scheme save folk that perish.
SHAKIR: What! do they then feel secure from Allah's plan? But none feels secure from Allah's plan except the people who shall perish.

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No, nuthin?

If I said dar al harb, would that bring you out of your hole?

Bring me your "religion of peace" and one fourth of its lies.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:14 | 5052278 Iwanttoknow
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Welcome,shalom.Please tell us what your southern baptist/pentecostal preacher has to say today.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:14 | 5052279 Iwanttoknow
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Welcome,shalom.Please tell us what your southern baptist/pentecostal preacher has to say today.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:59 | 5052459 nmewn
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Fucking idiots.

A trembling finger will be the death of you ;-)

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:23 | 5050853 tony wilson
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no citation needed when you have mossad agent rupert murdoch and you own everyone with blackmail.

all you need is satan the talmud depleted uranium bombs,tactical nukes and a semetic palastianian race that you think are less than animals.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:13 | 5051328 nmewn
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Well, this looks like a good place to drop this in.

Hamas setting up another rocket, right next to an occupied hotel, under a blue tent, clearly, the reporter must be a joooish Hindu and a deep-cover-super-secret-Mossad-agent.

Or sumpin ;-)

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/ndtv-exclusive-how-hamas-assembles-and-fires-rockets-571033

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:40 | 5051422 Muh Raf
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This is yet another MEMRI hit piece, for which tey have been famous for years. Yes, good old selective memory, MEMRI. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/aug/12/worlddispatch.brianwhitaker

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 20:31 | 5051529 nmewn
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You know my little two week old (soon to be ZH apostate...lol) in the modern western world of jurisprudence, a simple accusation is not enough to convict anyone of anything. It takes actual evidence.

Where in the link I posted is the affiliation of something called MEMRI? You will provide it now, you made the charge.

The other thing you should know about our system, you had better be correct or damages for slander are forthcoming. 1

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Tapping my fingers...

 /////

Bring it boi...this is Fight Club bitch.

 /////

I can only assume you're a lying sack of shit now. I don't believe you've helped "your cause" now, see 1

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 20:54 | 5051918 New_Meat
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high fat popcorn with 1/2 zillion calories per oversized serving? Check.

Newbie, (who prob. is an oldbie rebranded)? Check.

nmewn gettin' a'frisky ;-) ? Check

feet up, waitin' ? Check

- Ned

{Wookie will be annoyed, I'm mildly amused at this point}

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:18 | 5052015 nmewn
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Feet been up and waitin...lol...my greatest fear is he has spontaneously combusted somewhere among innocents.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:05 | 5052236 New_Meat
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poor innocent thangz ;-)

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:04 | 5052482 nmewn
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Not one could refute it and only little boys were sent to try.

Pussies, as always.

I'm out ;-)

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 21:19 | 5056886 nmewn
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A little more confirmation...

http://www.france24.com/en/20140805-exclusive-video-hamas-rocket-launching-pad-near-gaza-homes-un-building/

...for Achmed.

Because the vacant fields away from the public were, I don't know, vacant? 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:22 | 5050557 SWRichmond
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I would appreciate a thoughtful response to this post, and not an avalanche of hatred.

Israel was created on land that was already owned by other people; those people were forcibly evicted.  Israel continues to pursue Lebensraum in land that is currently owned / occupied by other people, forcibly evicting people.  Those people are poor and ill-equipped.  When they try to resist they are killed / called "terrorists".

I would appreciate a factual response to this post, and not a lot of bullshit.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:22 | 5050845 Thisson
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Bullshit.  Israel was created on land that belonged to the British empire.  The Gazans are egyptions, and on the other side were Jordanians. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_mandate 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:19 | 5051092 SWRichmond
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Ah, the "right of conquest".  The land wasn't Britain's to give. 

So, politics, in practice at least, is nothing more than a bunch of sociopaths casting about for a people to plunder.  Is that right?

Be careful what you wish for.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:09 | 5051978 New_Meat
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SWR:

"So, politics, in practice at least, is nothing more than a bunch of sociopaths casting about for a people to plunder.  Is that right?"

Yep, pretty much hit that nail on its head. Realpolitik is a bitch.  We (maybe the West, certainly the U.S.) tried to hide the Leviathan, but the monster creeps back or comes crashing back, depending upon the opportunity that it is given.  Right now, SecState(s) have been and is doing his pussy best to afford that opportunity to all comers.

The "right of conquest" thing falls apart without some baseline in times long lost.  The losers didn't just lose, they were exterminated or absorbed or otherwise had their culture and lineage eradicated.

I mentioned earlier that the Law of Land Warfare was to make warfare more "humane".  Yeh, right.

Some old dead guy said: "War is politics by other means."  I might have shredded the translation but  this is "possibly mistranslated, but accurate."

- Ned

{and 'ta'int no wishin' involved here}

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 00:53 | 5052766 Erudite Redneck
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Technically the land belongs to God.  God told the Isrealites the land was His.  The real problem is with man, not accepting God's will to do with and as he pleases.  It is not really up to any nation or people to decide who gets the land. 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:38 | 5052114 teslaberry
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this is why the the endless debates miss the point.

LAND BELONGS TO NO ONE EXCEPT THOSE STRONG ENOUGH TO MAINTAIN DOMINION OVER IT .

the TURKISH EMPIRE? THE BRITISH EMPIRE? THE U.N.? FUCK THIS --------THE JEWS IN EUROPE WERE SLAUGHTERED AND THOSE WHO SURVIVED OR HAD FORESIGHT LEARNED THE LESSON THAT ONLY DARWINIAN SOCIAL SELECTION CAN TEACH-------THE STRONG WITH THE WILL TO KILL AND ASSERT DOMINION HAVE A MUCH HIGHER SURVIVAL CHANCE THAN THOSE THAT DO NOT.

PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THE IDEA THAT JEWS ARE STRONG. WHY IS AMERICAN SUPPORT FOR THE SLAVE STATE OF SAUDI ARABIA , THAT KILLS MORE PEOPLE EVERY-YEAR AND ENSLAVES FOREIGNERS BY THE MILLIONS----NOT EVER RAISED AS A MAJOR ISSUE?
WHY IS ISRAEL SINGLED OUT?

BECAUSE THEY PLAY THE ROLE OF WESTERN SPOILER, SOUTH AFRICA ONCE PLAYED THIS ROLE, AND BECAUSE THAT REGIME WAS SO OVERWHELMINGLY OUTNUMBERED AND OVER EXTENDED, THEIR COLLAPSE WAS A FORETHOUGHT.

ISRAEL, ON A TECHNICALS BASIS HAS WAY MORE DOMINION OVER IT SMALL TERRITORY AND FAR MORE NUMBERS OF STATE SUPPORTING ISRAELIS RELATIVE TO PALESTINIANS AND THE FIFTH COLUMN OF ISRAELI ARABS.

ALL OF THE HATRED AND RESISTANCE THE DEVLEOPING WORLD HOLDS AGAINST THE IMPERIALIST WESTERN SUPERPOWERS IS USEFULLY FOCUSSED ON ISRAEL AS A METHOD BY WHICH THE WEST CONTROLS THE DIALOGUE AND IDENTIFIES WHO IS A THREAT TO THEM.

ISRAEL WILL BE ALLOWED TO BE DESTROYED IF AND WHEN THE WEST ITSELF IS THREATENED AND UNABLE TO SUPPORT ISRAEL, BUT UNTIL THEN, WESTERN IMPERIALISTS WILL SIMPLY SUPPORT ISRAEL BECAUSE IT IS THE BEST LEADING EDGE FRONT YOU CAN PURCHASE.

THE RUSSIANS AND THE CHINESE RESPECT ISRAEL AND UNDERSTAND ITS UNDERLYING STRENGTHS AND VULNERABILITIES, AND THUS WOULD LOVE TO TURN ISRAEL FIRST AGAINST THE U.K. AND THEN EVENTUALLY AGAINST THE U.S.

THE METHOD BY WHICH THEY ENCOURAGE THIS IS BY SUPPORTING ANTI-ISRAELI AND ANTI-SEMITIC SENTIMENTS IN THESE COUNTRIES.
with israel on the side of china and russia and eventually even Germany being brought along-----the western u.s. / u.k. empire would collapse entirely for centuries. while the eurasian power grows again.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:20 | 5052542 Herd Redirectio...
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Israel, Russia and Germany?  LOL, that was good.

Its Israel, UK and US, to the death.  No changing alliances this time.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:07 | 5052497 gonetogalt
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Actually, the entire ME was populated by subjects of the Ottoman Empire, neither 'Palastinians', 'Jordanians, 'Iraqis', etc.  Those people had NO national identies.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:08 | 5051042 Kirk2NCC1701
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I do NOT disagree with you statement.  But it evokes a memory about "Possession" that I made some time ago, and that I think applies here:

 

[1] If "Possession is 9/10 of the Law in a Law-abiding society", and

[2] If "Possession is 10/10 of the Law in a Law-less society", then...

 

It underscores the importance of Darwinism, rather than appealing to the Heavens.  I.e. the importance of

   (a) Having the Title & Deed to an Asset or piece of Land (for Case [1]), and

   (b) Having + Retaining Possession of said Asset or piece of Land (for Case [2])

Palestinians or Arabs getting their asses handed to them by the IDF is not news.  History is full of examples of conquests.  Look at the dark side of US history, if you need a refresher that hits home.  I truly feel for the Palestinians (I sympathize, not empathize), but don't feel with them.  I'm not an Empath.  In the final analysis... they need to raise their Game, given that they are dealing with an adversary who is superior to them in a number of ways:  Technology, Training, Org structure, Strategic Thinking... 

You can't and shouldn't fight a professional army with sticks & stones, or you deserve to get your ass kicked.  And you shouldn't fire rockets that are no better than the rockets we buy for 4th of July celebrations, but are only a lot more expensive.  Boy, did they get conned at some Arms Bazaar!  Q: What was the results from the hundreds of rockets fired?  A: Little property damage and only a few of the enemy killed  Really?  Are we talking Chinese firecrackers or "advanced Iranian rockets"?  Can these people really be that dumb militarily?  Sheesh.

p.s. When are the Arab/Muslim blood-brothers going to help the Palestinians militarily, or donate a piece of the desert to them?  Fucking hypocrites!

p.p.s. Why am I wasting my precious time on this topic?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:19 | 5052011 New_Meat
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Skipper, well said.

p.s. == never, they have too much fun generating the chaos.  Assad pere kicked their asses with genocidal intent, Jordan kicked them out, KGB had a ball feeding that furball for decades, prob still doin' that (whatever their initials are today)

p.p.s. == 'cuz you are addicted to this shit (not that there's anything wrong with that)

- Ned

{you can call my comment about addiction to be a "projection", but we all have the data ;-) }

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:55 | 5052443 teslaberry
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i'm gonna upvote you. 

 

i've read a lot of history and the double standards in the west for western behavior as 'civilized' versus non-civilized are , at the end of the day, part of the winner writes hisotry rationalization for continued western dominance of the world since the 1700's . 

 

the bottom line is the strong survive and dominate. i love that we have at least the pretense of civilized morallity. many conquering empires before us did not. 

as for the jews, they really are very hobbled by history. 

if the jews converted teh palestinians by the sword to judaism---------the palestinians would be a lot better off. and israel would be 13 million strong and one large nation. 

the msulims jews christians, crusades are all wrapped up in the silly game on monotheistic religion. even the romans understood how silly this was. 

i'm a deist pantheist taoist type person and the forces of darwinian nature are to be NATURES GUIDE FOR HUMANITY. 

we learn from reality not from denying reality. 

as for israel, even the israeli's know that the jewish state is temporary. all things are tempirary. especially nations. 

why is it we can accept that all people die, but it is taboo to speak of the end of a nation? 

such is history and nations will fight and struggle until they inevitably collapse or are otherwise dissembled. 

 

there's a billion muslims in the world who are every bit as human as christians and jews. they are all HUMAN BEINGS. but as far as power dynamics go, i care not for other tribes against my own tribe. and 1 billion muslims versus 10 million jews is not a fair fight. i have nothing to apologize for being aliligned with the jewish folks in israel. my support is of a tribe of human beings that were forged by the fires of historical warfare, and they are a sharp blade to be reckoned with. i hope they remain that way.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 23:23 | 5052548 Herd Redirectio...
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Forced conversion.... Hmmm...  Thats never been tried, must be a moment of genius!

On the other hand, it takes us back to around the year 1000 AD...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:50 | 5051078 freak of nature
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"those people were forcibly evicted."

Like Israeli's in 2005 by their own government. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tad-UAaM-UU

It happens on both sides.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:36 | 5050634 European American
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The number of Zionist shill trolls seems to be increasing here at ZH. Either that or the dark side is excelling in it's methods of manipulating the malleable minds of the masses.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 19:19 | 5051539 AllWorkedUp
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No doubt about it. There are way too many downvotes to good rational posts. Clearly a sign that zionist hasbara are in the room. Also no doubt they are desperate because they are wrong and the world is turning against them.

If only we could rid ourselves of the non human scum, this world might have a chance.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 03:12 | 5052911 effendi
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AllWorkedUp, do you have another Final Solution to get rid of non human scum? I think you might get less downvotes if you only remain on the Neo Nazi websites.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:11 | 5050784 Kirk2NCC1701
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@James T. Kirk: "Israel is the size of a postage stamp, and the stated mission of Islam is to eradicate Israel from the face of the earth. In 1948, 1967, and 1973, this was in fact attempted. How in the hell is the suspicion of Israel towards Arab states a result of "mind control?" I would appreciate a thoughtful response to this post, and not an avalanche of hatred."

Dear Younger Me:  You know how there's a difference between "theory" and "reality", like there's a difference between Spock and you?  Ditto for Talking the Talk and Walking the Walk.  Check out these two links and let me know if you feel more enlightened.

1. Israel, then and now: http://rabble.ca/news/2013/09/whos-afraid-map-palestine-bus-ads-spark-debate-vancouver

   Some "threat".  Like the Indians threatened our white ancestors, to the point of losing it all and living on Reservations.  Some "Indian threat".

2. An honest Israeli (Miko Peled, "The General' Son") tells the Real Truth about Israel and Zionism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etXAm-OylQQ

   As I've said a number of times, the real argument is not Israel's "right to exist", which Zionists use as a Red Herring that never goes out of date, but that the political ideology of Zionism prevents a just settlement -- inasmuch as similarly extremist people on the Palestinian/Arab side prevent it also. Extremists on both sides have comandeered the arguments and politics, and the rest of the world keeps getting dragged along.  Alas.

Hope this helps.

From: Older You.  ;-)

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:13 | 5051323 MedTechEntrepreneur
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Okay, here is the deal Israel haters.

This is not about a cute little palestinian state living as Jeffersonians next to Israel.

It is about Islam.  Islam must dominate the world. CHristians, Jews, everyone.  The world must live in Dhimmitude to Islam.  Israel, which has become a tech powerhouse in a very short period of time and turned the dirt lot into a gem on the Med, shames the Islamist who believe that Jews must serve them.  Shame in the Arab Islamic culture is eveything.  The fact that Israel is prosperous and highly successful is intolerable to them.  Hence, they must destroy it. It has nothing to do with secular notions of international law or boundaries. It is the inferiority of Islam.

The hatred of Israel, frankly shown here on ZH, goes to show there are a lot of really stupid people out there who are gulible as hell. I is hard to imagine thinking people who buy the Islamic messaging hook, line and sinker, all the while thinking they are enlightened or hip or whatever.  The decline of Western Civ, right here in plain view on ZH.  

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:39 | 5051415 European American
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You're working into the wee hours of the morning, there in Tel Aviv.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:46 | 5051443 Muh Raf
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You really should see a doctor because your sedatives are clearly not strong enough to prevent the most extreme paranoia I've seen in my life. You must live in some kind of terrible condition with such delusional and irrational fears. Since when is not wanting to see children melted with chemicals and blown to smithereens purely an Islaamic ideology? Last time I looked this was fairly universal with one postage stamp sized exception and some tag along psychopath morons.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 19:29 | 5051587 AllWorkedUp
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You are fucking hilarious. The only people, although they have non-human DNA, trying to dominate the world through US military might is Zionist Israel.

You are pathetic. Fortunately the world is waking up.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 09:52 | 5053571 sessinpo
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James T. Kirk   I would appreciate a thoughtful response to this post, and not an avalanche of hatred.

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You'll only get hatred from anti semitic leftist. These idiots are actually supporting groups that would kill them. But being leftist is insanity and that is proof of it.

Video of Hamas setting up rocket launch in populated area.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_fP6mlNSK8

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 14:23 | 5050144 Leopold B. Scotch
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Well, Colonialism is nasty business, and let's face it -- few of the jewish citizens of Israel's ancestors were in the country at its founding / were part of the great immigration since.   This is viewed by the locals as part fo the legacy of Western intervention in their sphere of influence, displacing Islamic rule that had been firmly established for most of 1000 years prior to the Ottomans losing it to the Brits as part of the end of WWI.

 

All that aside, to question Israeli Zionism, and in particular, the current radical leadership, is itself not anti-Semitic.  Accusations thrown around only make people dislike this variet of Zionism, and does a great deal to encourage actual antisemitism because it's such Bloody B.S.

And since it's being asked, no fan of Hamas or, frankly, Islam's one way door of gradualism away from Liberty and towards Sharia Law.  I think the West is foolish for letting its guard down in their democracies, which thanks to progressive initiatives, completely disrespect liberty while worshiping democracy.  All find and dandy until you lose the majority, and then your women are chattel, and heads roll when someone decides to convert to another religion from Islam.

Good luck with that.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 09:55 | 5053598 sessinpo
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Leopold B. Scotch    few of the jewish citizens of Israel's ancestors were in the country at its founding / were part of the great immigration since.

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The same can be said for Palestinians and certain a group called Hamas. Palestine is from the Philistines. Perhaps you might know of the story of David vs Goliath. So this goes back centuries.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 18:53 | 5051469 AllWorkedUp
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Well, as much as I hate to say it let's not forget the mind controlled fools in the US that support this genocide with money, arms and moral support.

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:46 | 5052415 MightMakesRight
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Those ZioNazis control everything. They even control someone that comments on ZeroHedge under the name BellyBrain. In this way they throw false flags that are really false false flags. (and they contol me, so this is an almost a triple False Flag.) Wow, those Jooooos - who the Mossad convinced everyone are "Semetics"- are cunning. 

Luckily, us really sharp, astute ZeroHedgies, who pretty much disagree with establishment on everything and hate politicians (except for those not run by the ZioNazis (like golden dawn, jobbik, ISIS, etc.) get it. 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 14:04 | 5049999 Manthong
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Looks pretty surgical to me.

Buildings that are explosives depots tend to disintegrate more readily than those that are not.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 14:08 | 5050033 Urban Redneck
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Surgically destroyed farmland... there is no excuse, and there is no question- that is a crime against humanity.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 14:29 | 5050192 Dick Gazinia
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Not to irritate the anti-semite nutjobs in these here parts but those raghead turds need a good a-bomb up their asses to show them what real war is.  In the end we can only solve this problem by eradicating them all.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:12 | 5050499 North Sea Cowboy
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You are normalizing genocide. If it OK for Jews to Genocide Palestinians then it was ok for the Germans to get rid of their Jews too. Should we start tearing down the Holocaust monuments so we can get started with your program but without the stigma of hypocracy?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:17 | 5050528 Winston Churchill
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Is that Lidice before and after ?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:30 | 5050814 Manthong
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"Buildings that are explosives depots tend to disintegrate more readily than those that are not."

8/5/2014 3:08 PM

Interesting.. at this time (central US) even split votes on a statement of fact (my house with rockets will disintegrate better  upon being struck with an artillery round or Air-Surface missile than if it did not have rockets).   

Regardless, things will be a lot less explosive once the Israelis finish up.. maybe not emotionally, but physically.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:22 | 5051109 Urban Redneck
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Actually there are exceptions to that. For example: a house with no explosives in it will disintegrate more readily than an identical house with 500lbs of explosive in it, when the former is a hit with a 1000lb bomb and the latter is is hit with a 50lb missile, ceteris paribus. The explosives are pretty agnostic as to who puts them in the house, and since they don't always explode upon arrival, there could even be some places that are actually more explosive than they were before. There are other variables one can play with, like the presence of 20lb propane tanks for cooking.

As for how long things remain less explosive (on both sides) they don't... on a long enough time line. Both sides will adapt tactics and rearm with even worse weapons.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:21 | 5050559 Enceladus
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Yes this sound good and vaugly biblical. so it preordained and therefore of God

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 09:59 | 5053617 sessinpo
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 Urban Redneck   Surgically destroyed farmland... there is no excuse, and there is no question- that is a crime against humanity.

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Thus the Urban comes out of you. Real farmland wouldn't has so many structures. Go back home city slicker.

Video of Hamas setting up rocket launch in populated area.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_fP6mlNSK8

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 14:13 | 5050047 PartysOver
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I am sure Ireal Intel knows where every rocket was launched.    And now those structures are no more.   And now locateing the tunnels.  Destroying them.    My guess is the big holes in the farm land were created from munitions used to destroy those tunnels. 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 14:32 | 5050213 csmith
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Looks like many spots on these photos (including the fields) have been bulldozed as well. Israeli army?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:51 | 5051254 Bunghole
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Do you really think the Israeli's or Gazan's are bulldozing the damaged areas (especially ag fields) during this seige?

That's why I said the dates cant be right.  Hell, even the green pastures which havent been bombed in eary July are now brown 3 weeks later.  Maybe the Joos bombed the center pivot sprinklers.

Propaganda works both ways folks.

BTW, fuck the Zionists!

 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 14:45 | 5050079 Quus Ant
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There's no point in arguing this shit.  Pro-zionists don't care about before and after pictures.  They don't care about settlements.  They don't care about kids blown up on beaches.  They don't care about blockades.  They don't care about checkpoints.  Or apartheid walls.  Or white phosphorous.  Or flechette shells. 

These aren't crimes and they never will be in the eyes of a pro-Zionist. 

Now if any of the aformentioned were to happen in the good 'ol uSofA I imagine they'd see it a bit different.....

 

Rather, getting information like these pictures out to honest, uncorrupted "folks" of conscience would be a better use of time. 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 15:47 | 5050685 Totentänzerlied
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Finally a sensible comment.

"These aren't crimes and they never will be in the eyes of a pro-Zionist."

Correct. Palestine exists to be destroyed, that is the goal.

There is zero difference between Nazi ideology regarding Jews, communists, Roma, gays, and Slavic peoples, and Zionist attitudes regarding any Muslims who have the nerve or misfortune to get in their way. That is, they are non-human entities, chattel the existence privilege of which may be arbitrarily revoked at any time, period. Is it a crime to break your own table or smash your own window? The "we" have infinite priority and ethical value, the "they" have abolutely zero of either. They are not even worth mentioning.

Don't believe me, go have some casual conversations with actual Zionists and see for yourselves. The key to understanding what you'll hear from Zionists is this: victims cannot be perpetrators, and "we" are always the victims.

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