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Satellite imagery released by the UN shows, courtesy of The Wall Street Journal, the destruction in hard-hit Gaza neighborhoods.
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Bullshit. The nazis weren't acting in self-defense.
The Jews declared war on the Nazis in 1933 at their world congress, including assassination and the destruction of all economic targets. So, the Nazis were acting in self defense. Nice try joo-boy...
Wrong!!
"THE NAZI ZIONIST PARTY "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO5sbwGCR7A
Very, very well said only a moron would would downvote you or disagree. Oh wait, here they come now!
boogerbently
Can see where food was being grown... was.
Houses smouses- Hamas can build tunnels better than ants.
Barney? Barney Rubble?
Specifically, the mitochondrial DNA of Ashkenazi Jews shows the the lineage through the mother traces back to European Caucasian women. Given that Jewish heritage has traditionally always been passed through the mother (if your mother is Jewish, then you are Jewish - regardless of faith), the European Ashkenazi Jews are neither Semitic, nor do they have any sort of genetic claim or Biblical claim to the land which they inhabit. Not all Jews in Israel are Ashkenazi Jews, but those in power and those causing the problems are. They are the same ones that have been continuously kicked out of country after country throughout history. They are the ones with the bloody hands from the Holocaust (who financed whom?). This is NOT anti-Semitic - it is history. Those in power are doing just as much harm to Semitic Jews and Semitic Christians as they are to Palestinians. They are hiding behind "anti-Semitism" when they have no genetics to do so. They are usurpers.
I am half Palestinian. My father's family was displaced to Jordan. Genetically, I am more Semitic than Mr. Bibi.
Here's some science.
http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/37821/title/Genetic-Roots-of-the-Ashkenazi-Jews/
What is the basis of the Scots Irish claim to Cherokee nation land? Just wondering
That's your response?
Pathetic.
The utter stupidity and sheer ignorance of these pro Zionist warmongers around here is truly staggering.
At least Las Vegas Dave equates it with Genocidal displacement of the American Indians from their lands.
Too bad these natives don't have a weakness for the old Booze.
LOL. Fair point. My response is this:
"Possession is 9/10 of the law in a Law-abiding society, and 10/10 in a Lawless society."
I plan accordingly. Suggest others (individuals, groups, tribes, nations) do also.
Questions?
No one's genetics entitles them to anything; though I'm considering suing Rome for invading Britain in 55 BC - reparations and all that.
I agree. I was simply stating that the very pretext that those in power use to claim legitimacy is flawed.
Agreed.
Establishing Israel as a Jewish State in the Middle East was a mistake.
Given that Jewish heritage has traditionally always been passed through the mother (if your mother is Jewish, then you are Jewish - regardless of faith), the European Ashkenazi Jews are neither Semitic, nor do they have any sort of genetic claim or Biblical claim to the land which they inhabit.
""if", "traditionally", "europe only" How many assumptions in there? Half a dozen? Do you have 70AD or 8th century BC Jewish DNA to compare this to prove it? No. Do you know where the Jews went after being scattered in the 8th century BC and later by the Romans in 70AD? No. How many children were raised Jewish because their fathers were Jewish? You have no idea of family history, who was descended from who, etc.
So it's nonsense.
GOD himself promised to recall the descendants of those scattered from Israel in Bible. So he's done that. To deny that's what happened, is to deny the Word of GOD.
I provided a link to a scientific article that traces the mitochondrial DNA of Ashkenazi Jews back to Europe, and not to the Near East. Given that many of the claims to the land are based on ancestry / lineage, I thought it was pertinent to the discussion. Around half of the population of Israel are Ashkenazi Jews, and many of the Zionists in power are, as well. I found it interesting that in light of recent genetic evidence, their self-professed claim to the land is actually extremely flawed.
Given that your rebuttal is the "word of God", I have to dismiss your contribution to this discussion to the dustbin.
I've pointed out you don't have the data to draw these conclusions. It doesn't matter what some scientist claimed. My rebuttal is truth, your denial is irrelevant to me.
"Fuck science, just take my word for it."
Whatever you say, child murderer.
The Bible trumps science every time. Those who oppose Israel are the murderers tmosley.
"The Bible trumps science every time"
Darwin would love you.
Nicolaus Copernicus would disagree as well.
Holy shit thats your answer, "mine is truth", man i hate self righteousness
The Bible is truth. My repeating of it bothers you because you've chosen a smuckistist over GOD.
yes yes moses you and your satanic books.
you need to be in jail you freak
Sex at Three Years and One Day
In contrast to Simeon ben Yohai's dictum that sex with a little girl is permitted under the age of three years, the general teaching of the Talmud is that the rabbi must wait until a day after her third birthday. She could be taken in marriage simply by the act of rape.
R. Joseph said: Come and hear! A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition and if her deceased husband’s brother cohabits with her, she becomes his. (Sanh. 55b)
A girl who is three years of age and one day may be betrothed by cohabitation. . . .(Yeb. 57b)
A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition, and if her deceased husband’s brother cohabited with her she becomes his. (Sanh. 69a, 69b, also discussed in Yeb. 60b)
It was taught: R. Simeon b. Yohai stated: A proselyte who is under the age of three years and one day is permitted to marry a priest, for it is said, But all the women children that have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves, and Phineas (who was priest, the footnote says) surely was with them. (Yeb. 60b)
What a bunch of bullshit. The text has to do with marriage CONTRACTS (an agreement to get married in the future), not to sex. And any marriage contract must be ratified by the woman when she comes of age before it's binding.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/coition
Having trouble with definitions?
Simeon ben Yohai? What part of the Bible did he write?
What do ya think about this part of the Bible??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMEot_ffP7w
Death entered the world as GOD said.
Life doesn't exist w/o death. Nature says so...
Yep, this is why everyone should have haplogroups testing. Now we now most Italians are genetically the most similar to modern Ashkenazi. The hypothesis is that the Jews who remained in the Levant after Roman times were mostly scattered, while those who left for Europe concentrated in southern Europe (mostly Rome itself) until about CE 1000, but due to lack of interbreeding among other factors, the population bottlenecked around this time, to the incredible extent that, according to current research, virtually all Ashkenazi are descended from less than 10 Italian women roughly 1000 years ago. It was after this that they spread north to what we now call France/Germany and the rest of Europe.
However, genetically the Levantine origins of these groups, going back much farther, as in 6,000 to 20,000 years ago, is undeniable.
It shouldn't really surprise anyone that the world doesn't care about violent colonialism... probably half of all current nations were created this way. Does anyone even remember that Germany was half its size until Germans colonized the rest (parts of Bohemia, Poland, Austria, Slovakia, Slovenia, etc.) well under 1000 years ago? Or that historically Russians have claim to the lands between the Polish seacoast and the Volga, south to the Black Sea, and really are partly descended from Swedish "vikings"?
GOD is simply a figmnt of your imagination available only in your mind to yourself. All other minds that conjure up such things will view their own made up GOD differently than you view yours and words from a made up book written hundreds of years ago have no bearing on the reality of today. You are simply a delusional person making the world worse with your delusional justification for genocide.
Your response is noted. But if I am delusional, why did you feel the need to respond to me?
Hitler was delusional to. I'd have put a bullet in his head after he brought his delusions into the public sphere and started having people killed.
That would be "too" and not "to".
So, I'm delusional but my grammer is better than yours. Got it.
GRAMMAR !!!
Shit for brains.
At least someone caught it.
/sarc off
Because you are justifying real evil with your delusional arguments.
What real evil am I justifying? Be specific now, I don't need to ask 20 questions to have you explain my "delusions" now.
Indiscriminate murder of civilians under the guise of "attacking hamas" or "retaliation" or "eradication of terrorists". Those are real evils.
Israel hasn't and doesn't do that. But, suppose your daddy was making bombs in the basement to kill innocent Israeli's. The phone rings. Mom answers. "Hello, this is the Israeli Air Force, we are giving you 10 minutes warning to evacuate your house because it is being targeted for terrorist activity. Leave now". Phone hangs up. 10 minutes later Israel F-16 drops fireworks on the roof, final warning, get out now. 5 minutes after that, the house is leveled.
Mom, Dad, and children are killed because they refuse to leave. Media claims Israel is the terrorist.
Not murder. Not indiscriminate. Not hidden. Justified.
That's great, so you can get away with anything as long as you tell them before hand you are going to do it?
I'm going to tell my boss tomorrow I'm calling in sick on Friday even though I'm not not ill. I'VE ALREADY WARNED HIM SO THERE IS NOTHING HE CAN DO ABOUT IT!!!!!! BWAHAHAHAHA
Israel isn't going to change until the pals stop making bombs. Are you suggesting they do nothing?
Suppose bullshit, you don't know that and neither do they. If they knew who lived there, why not just walk up and call them out and kill them? Utter and complete crap, where do the IDF get their info? You going to tell me they have spies? ROFLMAO...................
Israel and it's IDF is the terrorist in your supposition and the world knows it. You may not be aware of it but the god of the OT isn't even the same one as the NT.
If they knew who lived there, why not just walk up and call them out and kill them?
Ummm...because it's the Gaza strip and normally Israel doesn't just "go there". People might shoot back.
Utter and complete crap, where do the IDF get their info?
Rockets do appear on radar and can be traced back to the source. It's not rocket science. Oh wait. It is!
---In conclusion, your premise about indiscriminate murder is false. ---
Rocket launchers are mobile, got it? That is modern rocket science. The source of the launch conveys nothing about the person building or launching the rocket. Weak, really lame brained and about what I expect from a thumper.
Rocket launchers are mobile, got it?
Not usually in GAZA. You're talking about scud missiles, not rockets. HAMAS doesn't have those, which thank goodness they don't. Israel would probably be forced to close the Gaza Strip entirely if they did.
Here are some photos of HAMAS rocket launchers. Don't see any mobile ones:
https://www.google.com/search?q=hamas+rocket+launcher&newwindow=1&rlz=1C...
Yes, they can be hand carried. But they are made and stored locally. Hospitals, schools, homes. It's all over the news if you care to look.
Now, I've answered your claim multiple times and disproven it. I'll take no more issues there with you.
You just admitted the hamas rockets are mobile, no wonder you want to shut down the discussion, your position is untenable.
If you really beleive thats how this is playing out your a fucktard. Seriously. Why the fuck would mom and kids not leave? Is that what you think is happening in gaza now? All the civilians that died were just sitting in their sitting room knitting having been fully warned of impending death? No this is more like it.
I call your house and tell your wife that jim down the street is making bombs so I am going to level the entire fucking town cause fuck jim. Your wife says "But, JLee2027 is working a double shift posting bs for israel and what if he drives up while the bombs are incomming? I have to stay and warn him!" I yell "STAND WITH ISRAEL!" into the reciever and hang up. Your wife moves as fast as she can and gathers the kids and heads towards your place of employment in the back alley of the local starbucks. She is stopped in traffic because everyone else in Dumbville got the same call. The McDonalds next to her is blown to hell and her mini van is squashed by a falling fryer, killing all inside.
People shrug their shoulders and say "the bitch was warned. Fuck HAMAS"
Wrs1 Seriously?! you win dork award tonight. Indiscriminate is the Definition of Hamas' missle barrages into Israel. They have no idea whether the missle will fall into a jewish home or an arab israeli home. Kill an arab to further the cause of a caliphate? I guess arab israeli is arabic for collateral damage
"Indiscriminate is the Definition of Hamas' missle barrages into Israel. They have no idea whether the missle will fall into a jewish home or an arab israeli home."
Pretty much accurate (pardon the pun). HOWEVER...
Israel has a sophisticated alert network that, as far as I know, doesn't discriminate as to who shall hear it (in the broadcast area). They also have LOTS of shelters, which, again, I'm speculating on, but lay odds of it being correct, seems to keep fatality counts extremely low considering the numbers of rockets fired at them. NOTE: The "Iron Dome" system is a fucking JOKE, it's a defense contract/money laundering scam that provides Israelis with a false sense of security.
Likely more traffic accident deaths on a regular basis than from the rockets.
Gaza's Bottle Rockets Why Hamas' Arsenal Wasn't Worth a War http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/141698/mark-perry/gazas-bottle-ro...Perhaps its to use you in context of alerting others to be wary of falling into the trap that you have? And I respond to the "thread" here so folks can actually learn a bit about logic.
wrs 1, you are showing the typical cognitive dissonance of nearly all athiests, a concept such as the world being made worse is human hubris. True athiests accept that there is no such thing as worse/better or good/evil. Things just are and things just end (including the world). True athiests are nilhilistic and realise that genocide is neither here nor there.
Me, I'd rather place a bet on Pascals Wager and be a believer.
Pascal's wager is a false dichotomy.
Nonsense? Because genetics doesn't exist in your world, right?
Maybe you should take your own advice and read the bible instead of having someone dictate to you what it says from a pulpit:
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. (Rev. 3:9).
If you hold the bible to be the true word of God, who are these lying, non-Jewish Jews?
Genetics prove the existence of many parts of the Bible. Mitochondrial eve, Y Chromosome Adam from 6,000 years ago prove we are all descended from a single woman and one man, the gentic bottleneck of the Flood 4400 years ago and we are all descended from 3 women (N, M and R - the wives of Noah's sons).
But ain't no way we have DNA from the Jewish people, and family history from thousands of years ago to prove this claim. It would take tens of thousands if not millions of samples, and decades if not centuries of genetic testing to prove this.
The data isn't there. You maybe have 1 part in a million that you need and it's being extrapolated.
Some of you guys have turned off your brains.
Nice dodge on the Scripture. You don't get it, do you? Let me guess, you're a John Hagee fan?
I do get it. You have chosen not to, based on some "scientist" who you don't know. You don't know who funded them, what their agenda is, but hey if a scientist said it, it must be true.
Right?
You are absolutely insane.
Do you always talk to insane people?
JLee2027 I always talk to crazy people, it gives me a peverse sence of superiority, Now crazy people, for the most part, including you I'm sure, know they are crazy and they like it, it releives them of any moral responsibility for their words and actions, very freeing, cathartic really, as a reward you will have a better sleep tonight, the monsters will appear later than usual, keep posting we know from what you say,you arn't responsible for your words and actions! I'm ashamed to admit that I do get a pleasure reading your posts, in my life I get little opportunity to feel superior to anyone but today I have a gift--I can feel superior to you, thank you for that, It is a good feeling,like some minor thing you know you shouldn't do yet you do it anyway, could it become an obsession and warp my perception to the point that I could post what you have posted?-- and believe it! like you do? Perhaps, so, I only indulge rarely and sparingly ever mindful that death is the great leveler and feelings of superiority exist only in the mind and are expensive to maintain!
(Please correct my spelling and Grammer,if you can spare a moment, I can tell- You are educated ain't you?)
I am responsible for every word I say and every action or inaction I choose to take to the Lord. Are you responsible for yours?
How can you be responsible if Jesus died for your sins?
Ahhh...finally a good question. Because you are responsible for your choices and sins.
Christian view:
Your sins are forgiven if you sincerely repent and accept Jesus as Lord and believed he died for your sins. To be Christian means putting on the armor of GOD (protection from sin) and living like a Christian should. Don't lie, abuse people, steal money, worship GOD etc. None the less, all sins can be forgiven. no matter how grave the sin is. Look at King David in the Bible. He committed murder and adultery, was punished, repented, and was forgiven by GOD.
But it's not "automatic" forgiveness. If you die in a state of unrepentance (which includes refusing Jesus as Lord) and have mortal sins, the Church teaches you do indeed go to hell.
The Jewish view is that Jesus was not the Messiah. Don't ask, I don't know all the ins and outs there. I do know the Bible says in the future the Jews will realize Jesus was the Messiah and accept him. That time is still coming.
I am responsible to Sparkey, I am sane, therefore I am self regulating, Sparkey's approval is what I need for my wellbeing, you are , by your own words, demonstrably insane, probably not a 'Bad" person really, perhaps you are a 'functioning' schitzophrenic, if you are congratulations, I hope you can make it and be like me and the other normals, unfortunately this outcome isn't likely, still in a World where God pulls all the strings, anything is possible? Right?,, one heartfelt word of caution,,, if your paranoia increases please seek help before you attempt to actualize your phantasies, should you cause harm, in the civilized world, to anyone because of your delusions you may, very possibly, be shut up in a secure facility for a time, I have no doubt this is a 'Life' changing experience as your brain will be irrovocably altered, quite likely no more mad ramblings on ZH, the world can do fine without you, but what about you? wouldn't you miss your chance to vent?
No Sparkey you, like everyone in this world, is accountable to Christ at the end of time. You need to recognize that and make some changes in your life. Good luck to you.
The FSM tells me that you are not!
Weak attempt at deflection - you haven't answered my straightforward question about the synagogue of Satan. I'll play anyway...
You believe that descendants of the wives of Shem, Ham, and Japheth can be identified through genetic markers, but markers indicating something as basic as race or racial/tribal origin cannot be reliably identified without 'DNA from Jewish people from thousands of years ago' even though those markers must be present in modern 'Jews' if the bible is true, since Noah's sons' wives were, by definition, Jewish AND the only Jewish women of child-bearing years on the planet after the flood?
Really?
""the synagogue of Satan"" is not the House of Israel. Of all faiths and followers, there are always pretenders. That's what revelation refers to.
All jews (and all people) would come from the wives of Noah's sons. I have at least one of those 3 markers and so do you, genetically. All jews have them. All non-Jews have them.
The question is, whether the people who returned to Israel between 1880 and 1948 were actually the descendants of the ten tribes of Israel and thus, justified to take back the promised land. You cannot use current DNA knowledge to draw that conclusion because you'd need the genetic markers of those people from thousands of years ago to check against the supposed descendants today.
Whether they recently converted to Judiasm is a red herring, because they might have been Jewish thousands of years ago, became pagans and then converted back. You cannot be sure. Only the Lord knows, as I said.
So it comes down to what has happened in actual history (the migration from 1880-1948), the re-establishment of Israel, whose boundaries "just happen" (sarc) to follow the promised land and all history since, including Israels success in every major war. It certainly looks like the Bible prophecy of Israel has been fullfilled to me.
The re-establishment of the Nation of Israel is a sign of the coming End Times, per the Bible. Since the Holy Bible says Satan will be defeated when Christ returns to Earth in the End Times, Satan would want to prevent Israel from ever being established and would keep attacking her to wipe her out and prevent defeat.
This sentence is my opinion - hence, we have the World War II holocaust, death of millions of Jews, to prevent Israel from being formed, and defeat GOD's plan to restablish Israel and bring the world closer to the end. Whenever the end is, no one knows.
"The re-establishment of the Nation of Israel is a sign of the coming End Times, per the Bible."
Yes, it's all charted according to the Lord! The Lord has manipulated and insured that it happens just as "he" meant it! Rejoice! Let's sacrifice another round of children!
Anyway, common sense, from monitoring human history, history that precludes stuff written by over-throwers (not that they're bad or anything, it's just the way things work- kill people to take over their land and resources- dominate over others and use the excuse of superiority to assuage any guilt over murder!), shows that there's a pretty predictable pattern to the rise and fall of great powers, all of which claimed in one way or another that they were chosen by their god/gods.
You see, we have pretty much climaxed in our hubristic thinking and will thusly fall from such heights. Humans will do that to themselves (as has always been the case- and if you look at the likes of ISIS you see that same work in play- probably differs little from what the hardcore folks on your side of the playground/fence believe). Religious texts only contain information that can be readily explained by human minds, as it was human minds that created them: "and those that cannot read them or understand a language that they be delivered in, are not worthy of the lord" - so say us "humans."
There's no doubt that the zealots believe the things that they do. But, human history tends to show time and time again that the tide always turns, in which case thinking of the ebb or the flow as being superior it is only a matter of time before that notion of superiority falls victim to the tide...
Good doesn't exist without evil. Daylight is meaningless without the night. Say what you want, but all the notions of "fighting for God" etc are no more than egotistical actions through a human mind. Great stuff for motivating people to kill, that's for sure!
You are correct to recognize that the tide does turn, this is the changing whims of men, however, you cannot just strike GOD out of the equation and choose to live by your own morals, because as you just pointed out, one generation will worship life, the next death, and all will be "good" - this is inhuman - the basis for atheism, a rejection of GOD, claiming all moral authority for yourself.
But life is not without meaning.
A careful study of history shows that atheist socities come and go, but Judeo-Christian ones last. The reasoning man can only arrive at one conclusion: GOD shepards and protects the righteous, just as the Bible says.
You are talking about Most Recent Common Ancestor. The problem you have is Mitochondrial Eve and Y Chromosome Adam could be seperated by thousands of years and thousands of miles. It is most likely thats these two people never met.
Interesting fact, 80% of people alive today will be an ancestor of everybody alive in the distant future.
Current Science agrees, right now, they are apart. But the mutation clock and it's speed are in dispute. Eve was corrected to 6,000 years ago. Now the same debate is raging with Adam, to correct him to 6,000 years ago. We'll see.
I don't agree. I think you are one of those intelligent design people, you believe that Adam and Eve were born 6000 years ago and you try to find any 'evidence' you can to back this up.
To find the most recent common ancestor (MRCA) of all humans you must first find when the most isolated island population in the world became isolated. To find you Adam and Eve you have to take where the ancestors of the natives of Tasmania, Africa, South America, all isolated pockets of the world etc meet. It is likely that the MRCA was alive some few tens of thousands of years ago, conceivably somewhere in the high tens of thousands of years ago.
Even then you are ignoring the fact that your Adam and Eve (born at different times in different places) had other humans that lived contemporaneously, so don't forget that they also descendants and ancestors. So in the end even if you find the genetic Adam and Eve of all humans alive today, they are just two people among the many other through human history who were born and died.
You disagree with current science, take it up with current science, which is whose opinion I expressed.
WAIT! I though that you didn't trust scientists? Maybe their agenda is to propagate some story, one which you believe assists your "argument," meaning... hm, I wonder whether there's, you know, a bias here? (perhaps you're right, perhaps they're part of the plot to force us to go along with this end of days plot?)
Not quite what I said. I didn't trust A scientist against the word of GOD.
God told me you should cut off your weiner. You going to deny the world of GOD?
First, don't make the assumption that "he" is a HE. Further, even if "he" is a HE, don't make the assumption that he still has one! (although, sometimes it's hard to not believe it based on the appearance of what one might see as prodtruding above one's shoulders and neck)
Khazaria, birth place of the synagogue of satan.
So, what. Arabs do not have monolithic DNA either. I share the same DNA as 25% of Arabs but I am not semitic. The Jewish people did not suddenly decide to take over "palestine". There have always been Jews there in some number. After the Romans, it was a small number. But it isnt that the Jews DIDNT want to live there. Each time they tried to go back, they were slaughtered either by the CHristians or Muslims. Ottoman muslims did allow greater numbers to return and by 1918, hundreds of thousands of Jews were there. (and creating jobs for the nomadic arabs). So, the Jewish people would have a more more tighter grouped DNA if it wasnt for the Romans-Christians and Muslims
The Jewish faith is not DNA based. With the exception of the Cohen gene. Sure they picked up European DNA....BIG DEAL. The Jewish faith is the broadest cross section of the world you can imagine. Anyone who has been to Israel knows that.
The nation of Israel is a Jewish nation. Not a nation of J hapotype DNA. Arab DNA is just as varied as Jewish DNA.
50% of Israeli Jews are Sephardic or Mizrahi...LOCAL MIDDLE EAST. The rest, from Europe, s America, s Africa etc
http://www.cbs.gov.il/reader/shnaton/templ_shnaton_e.html?num_tab=st02_2...
Times of Israel:
"It’s very clear that he’s talking about some kind of clandestine arrangement involving coordination with Saudi Arabia, Egypt and the UAE," said Joshua Teitelbaum, a senior research associate at Bar-Ilan University’s Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies. Netanyahu probably seeks to install a mechanism to rehabilitate the utterly devastated Gaza Strip with Saudi funds and have the Egyptians monitor the process to make sure Hamas doesn’t abuse the aid to rearm, said Teitelbaum, [...].
Hamas members walk around with halos on their head just like in this pic.
http://shoebat.com/2014/08/01/hamas-hangs-young-children-fence-use-human...
You off your meds or something?
You can start by learning the word "Semitic".
USSA tax dollars at work, spreading the pain world wide.
mission accomplished!---israel bigger, gaza smaller.
"mission accomplished!---israel [AND the bank accounts of the MIC] bigger, gaza smaller."
Fixed!
Your message is always the same. I love Joos. Joos are good. They're peaceful. They don't murder....blah blah blah.
How do you feel about ISRAEL? Be clear now.
I've made that clear multiple times on many threads. They are GOD's chosen people. The land is theirs, it is the promised land. HAMAS and the Pals are squatters, but permitted to live there by grace. But HAMAS is evil.
Now it's his turn.
Chosen for What? Lets be clear about that!!
Read the Bible.
Read the New Testament.
Hey JLee...if you love Israel so much, why dont you move there so you can enlist to the IDF so you can have some fun shooting the evildoers.
You first joo hater.
You are insane.
He looks inbred from his profile picture.
I hope his comment about the Jews being God's chosen people and thus their actions being justified no matter how terrible, served to wake up a few recovering Republican ZH readers of their unwavering love for anything Israel. It was a decent little glimpse into the insane mind of Global Zionists.
I've never found it to be a very good selling point for the "God" that they're selling.
Sigh, throughout history all gods and masters have been proven false. Something tells me that the record will continue unscathed. NOTE: I believe that the Zodiac has humans as going through periods in which old beliefs basically get tossed and in rolls a new set- wash and rinse... same concept presented through our "modern" religious texts, except they are the be-all-to-end-all (until they are not, which has historically been the case): the next big reset will see NONE of the current religions rise, as they will be disected and their parts will be crafted into a new meme (just as has happened throughout human history).
Human hubris. That one can think of the great thinker that only the mind of the great thinker could truly think... Sells books though...
He is not insane. He is a troll. He pretends to be a stupid zio-christian. Those dumb zio-christians don't read zrohedge, they watch american idol. I bet JLee is kike dual citizen.
You would lose that bet.
"He pretends to be a stupid zio-christian."
And maybe he IS one?
Either way, it's quite sad... but, one has to find comfort as one sees fit (human mind does all sorts of things to promote its self-survival)
When it comes to history and the Bible, you are absolutely fucking clueless.
It's more fun to learn about history and the Bible than insult people.
Depends.
But, I agree that outright insults are really pretty much in-line with other emotion-driven things, like "beliefs." Really ought to be left in one's own head.
But, hey! Thanks for suggesting something instructive, even if it's a ptich at more propaganda.
You are quite the idiot.
hopeless.
Down arrowed John 39 for trying to fill Francis saywers shoes. Keep trying-sooner or later that ass hat will fit.
I see you shortened your name from JewLee to just JLee.
LOL. I always liked you.
Thanks, I have no problem with you other than your rabid support if Israel.
Good day sir!
Cool story bro
/sarc
Why, it's a work of fiction.
Bullshit. Zionist Israel is the synagogue of Satan; know them by their fruits.
The Muslims are good people using that logic. Why would the Muslims attack the synagogue of Satan? They should be worshiping it.
Non-sequitir. Has it ever occurred to you that neither the Israeli regime nor Hamas are in the right here, and that maybe there are no good guys in this fight?
Didn't think so.
Yes I have. And obviously I rejected that, because then things would make no sense. I look at the Iran-Iraq war in the 1980's. Endless slaughter of millions. No victor. See? God didn't intervene. It was a fight between pagans.
Israel outnumbered and surrounded, wins every time and quickly in a major war. 1948, 1967, 1973. My conclusion is easy to make.
Non-sequitir. Using your reasoning, God was on the side of Dynastic Egypt, the Delian League, the Peleponesian League, Alexander the Great, the Roman Republic and Empire, the Muslims, Ghengis Khan, the Ottman Empire, the ZAR, the Soviet Union, and North Vietnam - they all won wars, too. Was God on their side as well?
It's apparent that you'll never see any official action taken by the modern state of Israel as being in the wrong, no matter the circumstance. I'm sure a number of people will be praying for the scales to fall from your eyes so that you cease calling evil good.
It's apparent that you'll never see any official action taken by the modern state of Israel as being in the wrong,
I never said that and your conclusion is incorrect.
Non-sequitir. Using your reasoning, God was on the side of Dynastic Egypt, the Delian League, the Peleponesian League, Alexander the Great, the Roman Republic and Empire, the Muslims, Ghengis Khan, the Ottman Empire, the ZAR, the Soviet Union, and North Vietnam - they all won wars, too. Was God on their side as well?
Non-sequitir back at you. I never said, or implied that either. I explained to you how I arrived at my conclusion that Israel is in the right here and used a war - where neither side was good - as an example. Then you went full retard. It's simple enough, you should try reading it again.
So much for reason and civility. As you're terminally lacking in the skills of critical thinking and reading comprehension, further replies to you serve as much purpose as conversing with a cockroach.
May you reap what you've sown.
Reason and civility includes not putting words in other peoples mouth, as that is a breach of decorum. It also avoids name calling, which is another breach of decorum you committed by comparing me to a cockroach.
You are correct, indeed, the conversation is over.
That's religious fundamentalism.
Okay buddy, so let's say Almight God did promise the land to the House of Israel. What about the inconvenient fact that 85% of world Jewry today are descendants of Khazars? Around 90% of Israeli passport holders are khazars, i.e. Ashkenazi. They were living in the Caucauses during the time that God made his Old Testament promise and they did not embrace Judaism until over 2000 years after the promise was made. They are not of the House of Israel and cannot make any claim to be parties to this promise, at all. Period. As for the Sephardie (House of Israel) many of them refuse to live in Israel, preferring to live in countries such as Iran and Morocco.
What about the inconvenient fact that 85% of world Jewry today are descendants of Khazars?
Because you cannot prove they are. It's all guessing.
The Thirteenth Tribe by Arthur Koestler is slam dunk proof. I have a copy of Jehuda Helavi's medieval classic work that was withdrawn from a UK synagogue library on the debates put before the king of the Khazars leading to his conversion. Check him out, he's a towering authority within Judaism. Even check out the Jewish Encyclopaedia, they don't deny the Askenazi and Sephardi split. Throughout the centuries these two groups prohibited intermarriage and so remained separate racial stock. It's only since this embarrassing fact negates their land title claim that jews have tried to sweep the facts under the mat for the past 30 years. For the previous 800+ years it was never denied.
No, it's not, for the many reasons I've elaborated above and other threads where I discussed this before. No man knows where the scattered Jews went or who their descendants were. It's all a guess, no matter how blessed some men say their work is.
What is not denied is that you have no brain.
Jews lived in Mecca and Medina long before the pedophile muhammed started to beat his meat.
You going to give their ancestors the right to return? Ha ha
islams land title claim is just bullshit. But then this was never about land, this was about non-believers.
The Quran Says that Allah does NOT Love Unbelievers
Christianity teaches that God loves all people, but hates sin. The Quran never says this. Instead it explicitly declares that Allah does not love those who do not believe in him:
Allah only loves those who obey Muhammad (at least according to Muhammad, who provided the "narration"):
Instead of a god that loves the sinner, even while hating the sin, the wrath of Allah is placed squarely on the individual:
Verses 11:118-199 say that Allah does not bestow mercy on everyone. For this reason, he chooses not to guide some people:
For those whom Allah does not love, there will be the most terrible of eternal torments, including eternal roasting:
"Allah is the enemy of the unbelievers" (2:98) and, as we shall see, he hates them so much that he even leads them into sinning and actively prevents them from believing in him, thus ensuring their fate.
The Quran Says that Non-Muslims are
Destined for Eternal Torture in Hell
Although nowhere does the Quran say that Allah loves those who don’t believe Muhammad, there are over 400 verses that describe the torment that he has prepared for people of other religions (or no religion):
The relative worth of non-Muslims is that they are but fuel for the fire of Hell:
As they are fueling the fire, unbelievers will be tormented by Allah’s angels on his command:
It doesn’t matter how many good deeds an unbeliever does, because they count for nothing with Allah:
Muhammad told his people that anyone who rejects his claim to be a prophet will go to Hell:
In Christianity, punishment in the hereafter is directly tied to sin and ‘wickedness.’ There is relatively little said about Hell, but the emphasis is on personal suffering for selfish or cruel deeds. In Islam, Hell is a punishment for merely not believing Muhammad’s personal claims about himself. In contrast to the Bible, every 12th verse of the Quran speaks of Hell and vividly describes Allah’s wrath on unbelievers:
No one could torture a person in this way without hating them intensely. Neither can Allah’s intense loathing for unbelievers help but affect the Muslim attitude toward those outside the faith.
The personal superiority of Muslims is confirmed by the contrasting picture painted in so many places in the Quran in which they are rewarded with the greatest of earthly comforts in heaven, while the unbelievers concurrently suffer horrible torment (see Sura 56 for just one example).
Allah Himself Prevents Non-Muslims from Understanding
It would make no sense if Allah gave the people that he hates an opportunity to avoid his wrath. The Quran says that Allah deliberately puts obstacles in the way of unbelievers to keep them from accepting the truth:
If Allah wished, he could provide guidance to every soul:
But, instead he sets a veil over the hearts and coverings over their ears:
Allah even uses chains and barriers to prevent unbelievers from believing:
For the same purpose, Allah also fills the hearts of unbelievers with doubt:
Allah Actually Causes Non-Muslims to Sin
Not content with merely preventing unbelievers from knowing the truth (which is enough to condemn them to Hell) the Quran says that a hateful Allah also causes unbelievers to commit the very sin that he will later punish them for:
Although Satan tempts Muslims, it is Allah himself who causes unbelievers to err.
Allah intentionally sends the people that he hates astray:
Allah even sends demons to inspire unbelievers to commit further bad deeds (that he can later hold against them):
According to verse 3:54, Allah plots and schemes against unbelievers using deceit (the literal meaning of makara, the word used). Elsewhere, the Quran explains that Allah tricks unbelievers into thinking that they are doing good deeds, when, in fact, they are merely deepening their own eternal punishment with bad deeds:
Allah recruits Satan to join Him into fooling unbelievers into thinking that they are doing good:
The joke is on non-Muslims, of course, who will protest on Judgment Day that they did everything they thought was right – but are sent to Hell anyway:
The Quran Says that Non-Muslims Should Not be Taken as Friends
Given that Allah hates non-Muslims to the extent that he would prevent them from knowing the truth, cause them to err and then condemn them to eternal torture for their unbelief and misdeeds, it would make little sense if he intended Muslims to treat unbelievers by the same standards that they treat each other here on earth.
The Quran says that no true Muslim would ever love anyone who resists Islam, even if it is a family member:
There are at least nine places in the Quran where believers are warned not to befriend non-Muslims:
In fact, anyone who does take a non-Muslim as a friend could be accused of being an unbeliever as well:
Note that Christians, according to the Quran, are included in the ranks of "unbelievers":
Muhammad said that unbelievers have it out for Muslims. They may appear harmless or friendly, but, in reality, they harbor corruption and evil intentions:
Those outside of Islam are really helpers of evil against Allah:
The Quran says that "hostility and hate" will exist between Muslims and infidels "for ever" until the latter "believe in Allah alone." (60:4)
Instead of befriending non-Muslims, the Quran encourages hostility. Muslims are ordered to fight unbelievers:
The Quran tells Muslims that they will spend eternity laughing at unbelievers (83:34) and mocking their suffering as they are tortured in Hell:
One does not befriend those over whose suffering they will later rejoice, nor does it make any sense that Muslims would befriend those whom the Quran labels "enemies of Allah" by virtue of their unbelief.
The Quran Says that Other Religions are Cursed by Allah
Buddhists in Thailand, Jews in Israel, Christians in Indonesia, Hindus in India... Why is Islam at war with every major world religion, when none of these religions are at war with each other? Part of the reason is that the Quran is specific about the inferiority of other faiths (see 48:28) and the hatred that Allah harbors for their people.
Although it is common for Muslims to become upset about anyone “insulting” their religion, here is what the Quran says about Jews and Christians:
The Quran specifically addresses Christians, Jews, Polytheists (Hindus) and atheists:
Christians are disbelievers (98:5-6) and blasphemers (5:17, 5:73) who have invented a lie about Allah (10:68-69) by ascribing partners to Allah (ie. the Trinity). Inventing a lie about Allah is the worst of sins (7:37, 29:68) and for this reason Christians are condemned to Hell (10:70). Although one (early Medinan) verse seems to say that righteous Christians will go to heaven, this is abrogated by later verses that make it very clear that Christians must cease being Christian (ie. reject the Trinity) or suffer eternal torment for their beliefs (5:72-73).
Jews are also cursed by Allah (5:13), in one of his final pronouncements. The Quran goes on to assure Muslims that Jews are wicked (4:160-162) – so wicked, in fact, that they have somehow managed to do the impossible (18:27) and alter the word of Allah (2:75). Jews are “fond of lies” and “devour the forbidden” (5:42).
The Quran assures believers that Jews and Christians have “diseased hearts” (5:52). Allah even takes credit for the enmity between them (5:14). Only Jews and Christians who submit to Islamic subjugation and pay the Jizya are protected in this world (9:29 & Ibn Ishaq 956).
Hindus are polytheists. Although Muhammad didn’t know any Hindus (and neither did Allah, apparently) the Quran still manages to lay the groundwork for the 1000 year ethnic cleansing campaign against the Hindu people that is estimated to have taken tens of millions of innocent lives. In Islam, polytheists are worse than all other religion. Those who join idols (14:30) or false gods (11:14) to Allah also invent a lie about Him (29:17) and will burn in Hell. Even believing in other divine entities along with Allah is an unforgivable crime (4:48, 40:12).
Atheists believe in no god, which is even worse than believing in the wrong one (Muhammad and his successors had atheists put to death - Bukhari 84:57). Merely questioning the existence of Allah is a testament to one’s impiety (25:21), even as Muslim narcissim is encouraged in the Quran. Muhammad always answered probing questions merely by telling the inquiring party that they would go to Hell if they didn’t believe in him (36:49-64). The Quran discourages Muslims from intellectual inquiry (5:101-102).
Any Muslim who gives up his religion is a “perverted transgressor” (3:82). Perverted as well is anyone who denies Allah (40:63) or does not believe Muhammad (2:99). Freedom of conscience does not exist in Islam. Muhammad clearly prescribed the death penalty for apostates (Bukhari 52:260).
While contemporary Muslim apologists often speak of “dialogue” (meaning a unilateral arrangement in which they tell you about Islam while you listen) the Quran speaks of Jihad instead:
What would be the point in hearing anything a non-Muslim has to say... or even talking with them for that matter? Allah has already sealed their hearts and condemned them to Hell:
For those wondering why Allah would even make infidels if their ultimate destination is Hell, Muhammad said that the purpose of some (Jews and Christians, at least) was to take the place of Muslims, so that they would not suffer there (Sahih Muslim 6666).
The Quran Says that People of Other Religions
are to be Violently Punished in This World
Allah himself fights against the unbelievers (9:30), so why should Muslims not fight in his cause rather than in the cause of evil (4:76)? About 19% of the Quran is devoted to the violent conquest and subjugation of non-Muslims:
Muslims are to expect a reward in this life as well as the next (4:134), so it makes sense that unbelievers should be punished in this life as well:
There are at least two places in the Quran where the violent death of non-Muslims is referred to as Allah's reward for unbelief (2:191, 9:26), as in "such is the reward for unbelievers." Verse 3:56, bluntly states that "those who reject faith" will be "punished with terrible agony in this world" (a vow that Muhammad and his companions personally took it upon themselves to fulfill).
The Quran tells Muslims that Allah uses them to violently punish others:
In the end, All beings on heaven and earth will be forced to bow down to Allah, either willingly or by force:
Muslims are told that Allah "loves those who fight in his way" to make Islam "victorious over all other religions, even though the disbelievers resist" (61:4-11). Those who do resist Islam will be humiliated:
Non-Muslims are to be fought until religion is only for Allah:
Those with "diseased hearts" - which include Christians and Jews according to 5:52 - are to be "seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter" (33:60-62) along with "hypocrites" (Muslims who are judged not to be true believers by their associations with unbelievers or their unwillingness to engage in Jihad).
Non-Muslims are to be encroached on, pressured and punished by the Muslims:
Allah will grant Muslims authority and power over all other people:
(Muhammad's companions continued to self-fulfill this prophecy with an aggressive and senseless military expansion that left a trail of bodies from Spain to India).
Allah provides instructions to Muslims for dealing with unbelievers who are unwilling to accept Islamic rule:
Defeating non-Muslims should be easy for true believers because they are superior in intelligence and understanding:
Other verses of violence may be found here.
Remember that the Quran says that not all men are equal according to Islam. This even applies to Muslims with regard to their aggressiveness toward unbelievers. Those who kill or are killed on behalf of Islam are more pleasing to Allah:
delusional then. that explains a lot.
GOD? What is that, just some imaginary fiction in your mind. Joos re real and they are killing real people with no real basis for doing so. The idea that you make up some fictional basis for them being in that place and killing the original residents is evil so you are evil as is your religion and your book.
You Christian Zionists are one brain washed group of people.
According to Scripture, the ancient Israelites of the Old Testament WERE God's chosen people, but God's chosen people are now Christians (1Pet 2:9-10; Col 3:12). All promises to the ancient Israelites were fulfilled, conditionional on them remaining faithful, and if unfaithful, they would never be restored as a nation:
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/HopeoftheJews/chapter6.htm
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/HopeoftheJews/chap18.htm
The real genetic descendents of Abraham, the real descendents of the extended family of Jesus of Nazareth, the real semitic people, are the dark skinned Palestininian people who have been continuously occupying this land for over two millenia.
Total Collapse:
Exactly!
And don't forget Galatians 3:16-22.
This has already been pointed out to JLee.
1- He has no desire to read the Bible.
2- He has no clue what it actually teaches.
3- He has no reading comprehension.
4- He is a brainwashed moron who believes the lies he hears from his lying "teacher" every Sunday, who also shares items 1-3 with JLee.
5- JLee is an amalgam of all of the above.
The correct answer is 5.
Exactly. Abraham's descendant was his second son.
Exactly what? You didn't even go read Galations 3 did you?
JLee proves his lack of reading comprehension yet again!
Here, let me break it down for you, step by step:
The promise was to Abraham's seed (not seeds). That seed was Jesus Christ (not Isaac).
"The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,”[i] meaning one person, who is Christ." - Galatians 3:16
What does that say? Just what I said above- only Jesus Christ fulfilled that Scripture, no one else.
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19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. 20 A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one." - Galatians 3:19,20
Who is that Seed again? Jesus Christ! Only He is the mediator between God and men! Not Isaac or anyone else!
"But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe."
Notice that? What was Promised, being given through faith (not blood, not works), in who? Jesus Christ! Given to who? Those who descended from Abraham? Those who kept the Mosaic Law of the ancient Israelites? No! Given to those who believe in Jesus Christ!
You have been shown you error numerous times, JLee, you are no Christian if you continue to promote modern day "judaism", which bears little resemblance to the Mosaic Law handed down by Moses, which also did NOT bring salvation, but death.
And you have been shown proof numerous times on ZH that modern day "israel" has nothing in common with ancient, Biblical Israel.
Genesis 10:3 speaks of Ashkenaz, son of Japheth- the ancestor of 95% of modern day "jews". It is proven not only by genetics, but by linguistics, historic Jewish records, etc. here is but one work by a famous Jewish historian:
http://www.christusrex.org/www2/koestler/
I can provide you dozens of works, and dozens of quotes, by other Jewish historians PROVING that most " jews" are descended from Ashkenazi Khazars.
I can provide you with dozens of Biblical quotes from the Old Testament that prove that God's favor was always CONDITIONAL towards the Israelites.
And I can do likewise with Old Testament verses that show that God rejected the Israelites as a nation!
Only one way to salvation- The Seed- Jesus Christ!
+1 Well said. You demolished his arguments (theories and fantasies, that is).
Try again. I know my Bible!
Abraham sacrificed his son to god to show his loyalty , so if I go to the mall and tie my son to the coffee table and start stabbing him then slit his neck to show my loyalty to god do you think they will right a book about me ?
By the reactions of those that "know" what is "right" and what is "wrong," the answer would appear to be "no."
The stunt only works with a bunch of extremely down-on-their-luck folks who really don't care to dig into your background, only that you have come to dispatch their oppressors in exchange for you setting up an institution that gives them and their "appointed ones" top-billing.
Sir John Glubb points out in his dissertation on empire collapses (http://www.rexresearch.com/glubb/glubb-empire.pdf) that people seem incapable of looking at history as one monolithic thing and instead pick out only bits and pieces to serve their needs (as instructed by their masters/institutions). I feel that religions behave no differently, despite their claims of superior "ways."
No you don't JLee, and it's now public knowledge.
You are a charlatan, that is all.
PS- if you "knew your Bible", you would have understood Galatians chapter 3 already. You don't, so I rightly call you a fake, a pretender, a charlatan.
PPS- and if you reject Galatians 3:16-22, you reject Christ. That makes you the antichrist:
1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.
1 John 2:18
[ Warnings Against Denying the Son ] Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:3
but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
2 John 1:7
I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
You are a charlatan, that is all.
I don't need to call names to make my points, but I do stop reading then I see things like that. That's one difference between us. Have a nice evening. Goodbye.
JLee2027, you know your Bible! Well you have your interpertation of it, and you believe it of course, how could you not? The words are in your head screaming at you, if a man can't believe the voice in his head,,, Well,, you'd have to be crazy not to believe God's messages when he sends them to you in the accent of your own voice!
One thing, of many, which separates the sane from the delusional is; the sane know, just because they believe something doesn't necessarily make it so, the possibility that they may be wrong makes them more temperate in their thoughts and actions, also, I think, faith and belief are not acts of will among the sane, the idea that something can be 'Believed' into existence by conscious acts of repitition is insanity defined to the sane. The religious fanatic however, God bless them! is trapped in a particularly insidious behavior which requires them to be in max belief state when they die, this is the point where the rubber meets the road, so to speak, belief and faith unite, so believers believe, at this point, and if done properly, the believer slips effortlessly and smoothly into Heaven where their faith and belief will be recognized and rewarded, perhaps a house with a pool on a street paved with gold, that wouldn't be a bad reward even for the head of a big bank, would it? Think how much pleasure the 'Little' man can get as he imagines his reward for his life of 'Faith' and 'Belief? Think about it now!
Why are there so many delusional people? What do you think CD? I think it is because so many are brainwashed into believing that belief and faith trump reality, objective reality isn't real, they believe, the reality created in your head by faith, belief and television are all that is real in the mind of a believer! Believers believe, that is their propensity,the have a great capacity for it, if the 'Right" authority figure commands it they can believe anything! This is all they need, all the building blocks for this version of reality exist inside the heads of those who seek their salvation in books and the words of the authority figures they send their money to!
The proper way to interact with the delusional is politely but firmly, sometimes just the credible threat of a sojourn in an Asylum is enough to correct the behavior of borderline cases, I am lead to believe the East Germans had some verifyable results with the short sharp program. Stick with the official reality was their leitmotief, and they made sure it wasn't fun to delusionally wander too far from home.
Don't wasre time trying to discuss things with a believer, discuss things with pragmatists, that is where intelligence lives!
Can't you make your point in a sentence or two? Good golly.. Let's see: I'm delusional because GOD doesn't exist. GOT IT!
My answer: I disagree.
Ok, we're done now. Have a nice day.
OK, here's something short and sweet:
"I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong." - Bertrand Russell
Once upon a time all thought that the earth was flat. Those who claimed otherwise were deemed heretics. And on this subject it's interesting to note that the Arabs (Mamun) were the first to estimate the circumference of the earth, only to be accepted and verified (with a bit more accuracy) some 700 years later by Western Europe; a mere 50 years after this big attribution Mamun empire collapsed.
Thanks for playing!
Book of Isaiah, ~700BC.
The Earth is a sphere.
God's promise to Abraham would be fulfilled as long as Abraham and his descendants obeyed GOD.
Genesis 17:7, the Promise:
7 I (The Lord is speaking to Abraham) will maintain my covenant with you and your descendants after you throughout the ages as an everlasting pact, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you.
8 I will give to you and to your descendants after you the land in which you are now staying, the whole land of Canaan, as a permanent possession; and I will be their God.
9 God also said to Abraham: "On your part, you and your descendants after you must keep my covenant throughout the ages.
10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you that you must keep: every male among you shall be circumcised.
And that's it.
Are Muslims circumcised? Some are, some not.
The promise was conditional, as I have proven with no less than 23 proof texts from the Old Testament, lower down this thread.
And now you want to bring up circumcision? Are you serious? The circumcision of the heart is what matters, NOT the circumcision if the flesh! And you claim to "know your Bible!"
1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commands is what counts.
Romans 2:27
The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.
Romans 2:28
A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical.
Romans 2:29
No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.
1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commands is what counts.
Galatians 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.
Galatians 6:13
Not even those who are circumcised keep the law, yet they want you to be circumcised that they may boast about your circumcision in the flesh.
Galatians 6:15
Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation.
Philippians 3:3
For it is we who are the circumcision, we who serve God by his Spirit, who boast in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh—
Colossians 2:11
In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh was put off when you were circumcised by Christ,
Titus 1:10
[ Rebuking Those Who Fail to Do Good ] For there are many rebellious people, full of meaningless talk and deception, especially those of the circumcision group.
You don't have a leg to stand on, neophyte!
The only condition was circumcision.
The Jews were later punished and scatted, but that did not invalidate the promise.
When you quote the New Testament, that is the message to the Gentiles, the second seat. It has nothing to do with Abraham's promised land.
You invalidate the word of God by your tradition.
There is only one seat, one way, one truth, one life, one promise.
According to your invalid interpretation, the Bible contradicts itself, then.
Yet it does not contradict itself- you simply do not understand the Bible!
God is not a god of confusion.
You are following blind guides, and you and they have fallen into a pit.
You make a mockery of God's word, as you reject the fact that only through Christ, no other way, can jew or gentile gain salvation.
God clearly rejected Israel when He said:
18So the Lord was very angry with Israel and removed them from his presence. Only the tribe of Judah was left, 19and even Judah did not keep the commands of the Lord their God. They followed the practices Israel had introduced. 20Therefore the Lord rejected all the people of Israel; he afflicted them and gave them into the hands of plunderers, until he thrust them from his presence. 21When he tore Israel away from the house of David, they made Jeroboam son of Nebat their king. Jeroboam enticed Israel away from following the Lord and caused them to commit a great sin. 22The Israelites persisted in all the sins of Jeroboam and did not turn away from them 23until the Lord removed them from his presence, as he had warned through all his servants the prophets. So the people of Israel were taken from their homeland into exile in Assyria, and they are still there. – 2 Kings 17:18-23
1 Samuel 8:7 And the Lord told him” “Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king.”
Ezekiel 36:19 I dispersed them among the nations, and they were scattered through the countries; I judged them according to their conduct and their actions.
Judges 2:14 In his anger against Israel the LORD handed them over to raiders who plundered them. He sold them to their enemies all around, whom they were no longer able to resist.
2 Kings 15:29 In the time of Pekah king of Israel, Tiglath-Pileser king of Assyria came and took Ijon, Abel Beth Maacah, Janoah, Kedesh and Hazor. He took Gilead and Galilee, including all the land of Naphtali, and deported the people to Assyria.
Psalm 53:5 There they were, overwhelmed with dread, where there was nothing to dread. God scattered the bones of those who attacked you; you put them to shame, for God despised them.
Jeremiah 15:1 Then the LORD said to me: "Even if Moses and Samuel were to stand before me, my heart would not go out to this people. Send them away from my presence! Let them go!
God fulfilled His conditional promise. Repeatedly, God kept the nation of Israel reminded of their covenant with Him, yet they consistently broke this covenant, like a cheating wife. God first scattered the northern ten tribe kingdom of Israel, using the Assyrians. Shortly thereafter, God used the Babylonians to scatter the southern kingdom, Judah. Years later, their ancestors in Jerusalem under Roman domination pleaded, regarding their role in the execution of the Messiah:
“When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children. Then released he Barabbas unto them: and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified.” –Matthew 27:25
The nation of Israel was no more. First they rejected God as their King, and repeatedly rejected Him as their God. In return God scattered the descendants of Jacob aka Israel. God had already planned a New Covenant to fulfill the Old Covenant. That new covenant would be for all people, Jew and gentile, through the shed blood of none other than God's own Son, Jesus Christ.