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Nah. You ignore scripture I already posted with the return of Israel. Can't have it both ways.
I didn't "ignore" it!
You really are dense.
Look, according to you, the Jews will be saved independent of The ransom sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
But Jesus said he was the only way, the only truth, the only life.
So Jews who put faith in Jesus, just like Gentiles who put faith in Jesus, receive the same promise- the one given to Abraham- which foretold the Seed by which Jews and Gentiles would be redeemed.
One promise, one faith, one Christ.
Yet you say there are two promises, two faiths, Christ for the Gentiles, and Abraham (?) for the Jews!
You say there are two faiths- Christianity and Judaism.
Yet Jesus fulfilled the Law, and His ransom sacrifice paid the price for Jew and gentile. And when the veil between the Holy and Most Holy of the temple was torn in two as Christ expired on the cross, This was a Profound Symbol that the Jewish Temple, the Law, and the sacrifices had been fulfilled. All the animal sacrifices combined could not come close to the sacrificed blood of God's own Son.
The Bible does not contradict itself- yet under you flawed interpretation it does! What is wrong then, the Bible, or your stubbornly holding onto an errored interpretation?
According to your flawed interpretation, Jesus lied (after all, he said there is only one way, one truth, one life, and he said there is only one mediator between God and men(not just Gentiles).
Since Jesus lied, he sinned, since Jesus sinned, his sacrifice was worthless, therefore Jesus was not the Messiah. Therefore, there is no salvation except by the Mosaic Law.
Since you deny that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, the Messiah, that proves you are antichrist.
Got it.
Pretty silly. I've never denied Christ.
The rest is not worth responding to.
You continue to dodge straightforward questions.
Your interpretation of the Bible conflicts, disagrees and contradicts Scriptures I have cited throughout this thread.
The interpretation I have provided does not contradict any passages of Scripture.
Because of this, Your beliefs are indefensible, that is why you have no response.
Humble yourself (you have already been humbled throughout this thread) and take the time to reexamine your interpretations. ( I use the word "your" even though I know you are simply parroting what someone taught you, your blind guide.)
And you continue to name call. The conversation is over.
J Lee
Please shut the fuck up.
You 2 stupid fucks are arguing over a unicorn being purple or having easily identified polka-dots.
There's no fucking unicorns.
Religion is bad LSD for really stupid people.
The real genetic descendents of Abraham, the real descendents of the extended family of Jesus of Nazareth, the real semitic people, are the dark skinned Palestininian people who have been continuously occupying this land for over two millenia.
Absolutely incorrect. The Israelites were scattered, yes, for being unfaithful, but GOD never forget them, as the Bible shows when he restored Israel. It's interesting, you quote the works of men, as if they overturn the Bible, which repeats this several times over a thousand year period.
Amos 9:14-15
I will bring back my exiled people Israel; they will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them. They will plant vineyards and drink their wine; they will make gardens and eat their fruit. I will plant Israel in their own land, never again to be uprooted from the land I have given them,” says the Lord your God. (not conditional)
Jeremiah 16:14-15
“However, the days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when men will no longer say, ‘As surely as the Lord lives, who brought the Israelites up out of Egypt,’ but they will say, ‘As surely as the Lord lives, who brought the Israelites up out of the land of the north and out of all the countries where he had banished them.’ For I will restore them to the land I gave their forefathers. (nothing conditional here)
Ezekiel 34:13
I will bring them out from the nations and gather them from the countries, and I will bring them into their own land. I will pasture them on the mountains of Israel, in the ravines and in all the settlements in the land.
Deuteronomy 30:3-5
....then the Lord your God will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you and gather you again from all the nations where he scattered you. Even if you have been banished to the most distant land under the heavens, from there the Lord your God will gather you and bring you back. He will bring you to the land that belonged to your fathers, and you will take possession of it. He will make you more prosperous and numerous than your fathers.
JLee, you are truly dense! You don't understand what Israel is, nor do you understand that Christians inherited the Promise made to Abraham through Jesus Christ, and only Jesus Christ! You need to read Galatians 3:16-22 over and over again until it sinks in!
What God intended for ancient Israel was always conditional:
TWO PROMISES- BOTH CONDITIONAL
By way of review, what is the promise? Abraham was given the promise:
1 The LORD had said to Abram, "Leave your country, your people and your father's household and go to the land I will show you.
2 "I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you." -Genesis 12:1-3
THIS is the promise God spoke to Abraham!
As discussed earlier, God would make another promise to Israel. Now, for a moment let’s take a look at that promise:
2 Chronicles 7:19-22 "But if you turn away and forsake the decrees and commands I have given you and go off to serve other gods and worship them, 20then I will uproot Israel from my land, which I have given them, and will reject this temple I have consecrated for my Name. I will make it a byword and an object of ridicule among all peoples. 21And though this temple is now so imposing, all who pass by will be appalled and say, ‘Why has the Lord done such a thing to this land and to this temple?’ 22People will answer, ‘Because they have forsaken the Lord, the God of their fathers, who brought them out of Egypt, and have embraced other gods, worshiping and serving them—that is why he brought all this disaster on them.’”
Deuteronomy 4:27 The LORD will scatter you among the peoples, and only a few of you will survive among the nations to which the LORD will drive you.
Deuteronomy 28:64 Then the LORD will scatter you among all nations, from one end of the earth to the other. There you will worship other gods--gods of wood and stone, which neither you nor your fathers have known.
Leviticus 26:33 I will scatter you among the nations and will draw out my sword and pursue you. Your land will be laid waste, and your cities will lie in ruins.
Nehemiah 1:8 "Remember the instruction you gave your servant Moses, saying, 'If you are unfaithful, I will scatter you among the nations,
Psalm 44:11 You gave us up to be devoured like sheep and have scattered us among the nations.
Psalm 106:27 make their descendants fall among the nations and scatter them throughout the lands.
Isaiah 1:7 Your country is desolate, your cities burned with fire; your fields are being stripped by foreigners right before you, laid waste as when overthrown by strangers.
Jeremiah 7:34 I will bring an end to the sounds of joy and gladness and to the voices of bride and bridegroom in the towns of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem, for the land will become desolate.
Jeremiah 9:16 I will scatter them among nations that neither they nor their fathers have known, and I will pursue them with the sword until I have destroyed them.
Jeremiah 13:24 I will scatter you like chaff driven by the desert wind.
Jeremiah 15:4 I will make them abhorrent to all the kingdoms of the earth because of what Manasseh son of Hezekiah king of Judah did in Jerusalem.
Jeremiah 31:10 "Hear the word of the LORD, O nations; proclaim it in distant coastlands: 'He who scattered Israel will gather them and will watch over his flock like a shepherd.'
Ezekiel 5:2 When the days of your siege come to an end, burn a third of the hair with fire inside the city. Take a third and strike it with the sword all around the city. And scatter a third to the wind. For I will pursue them with drawn sword.
Ezekiel 12:15 "They will know that I am the LORD, when I disperse them among the nations and scatter them through the countries.
Ezekiel 20:23 Also with uplifted hand I swore to them in the desert that I would disperse them among the nations and scatter them through the countries,
Ezekiel 22:5 I will disperse you among the nations and scatter you through the countries; and I will put an end to your uncleanness
Amos 9:4 Though they are driven into exile by their enemies, there I will command the sword to slay them. I will fix my eyes upon them for evil and not for good."
Zechariah 7:14 I scattered them with a whirlwind among all the nations, where they were strangers. The land was left so desolate behind them that no one could come or go. This is how they made the pleasant land desolate.'"
Deuteronomy 4:27 The LORD will scatter you among the peoples, and only a few of you will survive among the nations to which the LORD will drive you.
Nehemiah 1:8 "Remember the instruction you gave your servant Moses, saying, 'If you are unfaithful, I will scatter you among the nations,
Ezekiel 23:27 So I will put a stop to the lewdness and prostitution you began in Egypt. You will not look on these things with longing or remember Egypt anymore.
Ezekiel 23:48 "So I will put an end to lewdness in the land, that all women may take warning and not imitate you.
Ezekiel 24:11 Then set the empty pot on the coals till it becomes hot and its copper glows so its impurities may be melted and its deposit burned away.
Yes, this, too was a promise- that if Israel forsook their God, their God would do likewise to them- as a nation. This means that as individuals, those who place their faith in God will be saved, just like the gentiles! It is by Faith that all individuals are saved, not by blood or anything else, because Jesus paid in blood as a ransom for all who put faith in Him.
Christians absolutely inherit the promise of Salvation...but not the Promised land. There are TWO seats at the table of the Lord...Jews and Gentiles. Israel represents the Jews, always will, as the first seat.
The Gentiles, I believe, are represented by America, but that part is my opinion.
You disregard Holy Scripture because you have already come to a conclusion that is full of error, then you try to pick and choose what parts of the Bible you believe and don't believe.
If you read the Bible and pray for God's Holy Spirit, then He would open your eyes to its correct interpretation. Here is the key - the Bible does not contradict itself. Your interpretation is therefore in error.
"Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." - John 14:6
No. One. Comes. To. The. Father. Except. Through. Jesus.
No Jew.
No gentile.
No one.
PS- you don't even realize how profound this Scripture is:
"At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom" - Matthew 27:51
And before Jesus came? None of those people can get to heaven? Not Moses, Abraham, etc. You think about that one...
Of course they can get to heaven! Jesus paid the price for everyone, from righteous Abel to the last human born on the day he arrives again! There is no confusion with the Bible, no false dichotomies!
Do you not know?:
"He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!" - Mark 12:27
And:
"and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked." - Acts 24:14
So he has paid the price for the current Jews as well, even though they deny he is the Messiah. Don't confuse yourself now.
See? The promise of Abraham is still intact for the Jews.
You truly are thick.
Anyone who put faith in Christ is saved, new and gentile alike.
Yes he paid the price for everyone, but not everyone will put faith in him.
You have never read a Bible, and I mean read with deep thought , and meditation. It is obvious.
Evelyn Wood ain't gonna cut it sonny.
That's about the 4th or 5th time you've resorted to name calling (dense, dense, thick, charlatan, etc). As I warned you above, when I see that, I stop reading. If you need to call people names, that cannot be good.
Conversation is over.
I speak the truth- the fact that you can not see how ridiculous your reasoning is, well, that is why I have used adjectives and adverbs to describe you and your behavior- Jesus did the same with those who thought they knew the Scriptures, such as yourself, but have demonstrated otherwise.
You clearly know very little about the Bible, otherwise you would already know how wrong you are, and how infantile your retorts are.
You ask how Jews and Gentiles that lived before Christ will be saved? Have you never heard of the resurrection of the dead? How about this gem:
"52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and[a] went into the holy city and appeared to many people." - Matthew 27:52-53
I ask you, who are these that were resurrected?
How about this Scripture:
"28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned. " - John 5:28-29
And this:
"14 and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.” - Luke 14:14
If you'd ever read your Bible, actually studied it and took notes, you'd know that these are just a few of the Scriptures that show that there have been, and will be, opportunities for all Jews and Gentiles who lived before Christ to accept Him as their personal savior.
And Francis sawyer was kicked out for what again?
here is a different view of God's chosen
actually according to some of their teachings,,, God offered the Torah to other nations and only Israel accepted....
so it is not so much that they are specially chosen but more that they were the only ones who would accept this God... "
We say every day "Asher Bachar Banu Mi'Kol Ha'amim" - Chosen from among all the nations. Yet we all know the famous medrash (quoted in Avodah Zara 2b) which says that G-d went to all the nations and asked them if they wanted to accept the Torah, and they all refused until G-d came to the Jews.
How can we say "Asher Bachar Banu" if we were the last to be asked?
no i am not jewish....
just am familiar with a limited few things..."
nice try. but your point is a false dilemna... Israel created hamas, that is not secret:
http://henrymakow.com/israelcreatedhamastoavoid.html
I take the side of the Palestinian people, not Hamas... which was created to justify exactly what we are seeing today.
Oh baloney.
If you truly take the side of the Pals, then you should advocate peace and not war against Israel. Nothing more than a terrorist yourself.
If you truly take the side of the Israelis, then you should advocate peace and not war against Palestine. Nothing more than a terrorist yourself.
I do advocate peace. It's a little hard with rockets and mortars being thrown at Israel.
What would you do? Ignore it? Abandon Israel? Wipe out HAMAS? I choose option #3.
Hamas firing is rockets because Israel is blockading Gaza, because buses in Israel were getting blown up, because Israel killed some civilians, because the PLO kidnapped some Israelis, because Israel built some settlements in the West Bank, etc etc, etc
It's been going on like this for a long time, and many people have died on both side.
You've picked your side, fine. Do you have a positive solution to this problem that doesn't involve more killing? Or will you just keep pointing out the bad things one side does and ignoring the bad things the other side is doing?
What would I do? Well I would look at the reason why someone would want to fire rockets at me and fix the root cause of the problem. There must be a good reason why someone would be so pissed off that they think firing rockets at you would be a good idea whilst knowing perfectly well that they and their family would probably be killed in retaliation.
But you are probably right, they are just Jew hating terrorists who love death. <sarc/>
Yes, slowly assimilate the Pals into Israel, as Israel did with the people of Jordan and any others who want to live and work there. My understanding is about 50% of the current population of Israel are assimulated people of the region and not Jewish. I could be wrong, but that is what I've heard.
>terrorist
gw bush, is that you?
Do you get paid by the fucking post? And for god's sake if you really want to convince people you should be using BOLD AND ALL CAPS. What the fuck, did you skip that day of troll-school?
DONT FORGET THE EXCLAIMATION MARKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111!!!1!!1one!1!!1!!!eleven
NO, BY THE WORD!!!!!
sarc off
I bet you are the type of person that when you are in a fight with a guy half your size and you knock the guy half unconscious, you continue to kick and beat the shit out of him because he called your mama a whore.
I heard a thing on NPR about India. They tried to find why some cities were peaceful while others had continual friction between Muslims and Hindus. They found that if the city had low-level organizations that integrated people, e.g. organization of shop-keepers, they were much less likely to have violence. This of course makes sense, that if you know people you are less likely to hate them and want to kill them. They found that the cities with violence had their populations separated by those with political power. Shopkeeper associations were separate, and why? Because those in power benefited by keeping the hate going because it made it easier for them to stay in power. There is an obvious analog to Israel. Israelis and Palestinians might not hate each other if they were allowed to integrate. Who, I ask, stands in the way of this integration? I don't think it is the Palestinians, but maybe I'm wrong.
"I don't think it is the Palestinians, but maybe I'm wrong."
Do you believe the Hamas and random rocket strikes are representative of the majority of Palestinians?
It always comes back to Twilight of the Psycopaths.
Here, talk to this guy:
"I've made that clear multiple times on many threads. They are GOD's chosen people. The land is theirs, it is the promised land. HAMAS and the Pals are squatters, but permitted to live there by grace. But HAMAS is evil.
Now it's his turn."
And tell me why the Palestinians should ever bet on peace.
go play hide n seek with adolphe.
Hitler was Italian ?
So imagine as a thought experiment that the state of Colorado had the majority of their land stolen by Kansas, Oklahoma, Wyoming and other states because they wanted the water and pretty views.
Imagine the people of Colorado were kicked out of their houses so that the new people could live there and use their furniture. Many leave, some stay in small encampments. Now imagine that the remaining people in Coloradostine are naturally angry react to these acts of theft and aggression sometimes in some ugly ways. Then imagine that the situation escalates to the point that the surrounding states establish checkpoints and border walls around the area. Imagine they require a permit to leave the area to see a doctor, which are purposefully impossible to obtain.
Imagine that the former residents are blockaded at every point around their area. Imagine these other states run regular military patrols, harassing operations, pushed your kids to the ground, and shot CS canisters at your wife, and sometimes live ammunition. Imagine you were one of them. Do you think that if someone blockaded you, your kids, your neighbors, that you might resort to some ugly tactics? The question is not about Hamas. Hamas is a predictable result of state terrorism against civilians.
The question is how YOU people can be so fucking blind as to the actual situation. WAKE THE FUCK UP! Try to understand the meaning of EMPATHY.
Human beings are human beings regardless of what type of building they prefer to pray in. Are you saying that some human beings have less value than others? You certainly seem to insinuate that.
"The jew is as different from the non-jew as the non-jew is from an insect." It would seem he might just be saying that.
Under islam, non believers are less then human.
Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."
Qur'an (5:80) - "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide."
Qur'an (3:28) - "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them..."
Are you Valerie Jarret?
Grimaldus
Your message is always the same. I hate Joos.
And what's your message? "I am Islamaphobic. I hate Moslims"?
As usual, the Christian Zionists believe that being anti-Imperialist is the same as being anti-Semitic.
Without Jews in Israel, there can be no Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, right?
If only the Brits could give the area back to the Turks the way they gave Hong Kong back to China.
Don't bother
Hes an idiot
Alot of anti-semites on this board. Hamas stops firing rockets into Israel, Israel stops flattening Gaza. This is not rocket-science...
kinda like:
"Stop your dogs from barking and I'll stop throwing live grenades at your kids while they're playing in the yard."
SgtShaftoe
Are you an ass, or what?
How about stop trying to kill me, and I'll stop trying to kill you.
Douchebag . . .
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If it were as simple as you state, IDF soldiers wouldn't be speaking out publicly in droves and aiding the Palestininans, sneaking in passes so sick women can get breast cancer treatment. They wouldn't have formed large organizations such as "Breaking the silence":
http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il
A simple google search will result in pages and pages of former IDF soldiers speaking out. This one is pretty special: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOaxAckFCuQ (a former general's son speaking out).
This one is very good too: http://stormcloudsgathering.com/an-honest-israeli-soldier-speaks
Oh, and the pictures of WP (white phosphorus) rounds raining on civilian centers. What about that? That is black and white Geneva convention WAR CRIME. Shooting 3-5 year old kids in the back, point-blank 20 yards from their house...(reported by Doctors without Borders, Children's Fund, etc.) WAR CRIME
So, ass? Douchebag? No. Humanist.
Not one peep from you about islamic murderers in syria and iraq killing 170,000. Humanist my ass, you are an obamatron assclown dhimmi moron.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=537_1403158600
Grimaldus
Of course jews dont lie, they aren't killing anyone for a buffer zone, and arguably one of the most truthful tribes on the planet...putz.
Hamas on the otherhand, for no reason whatsoever fires missles and lashes out for the sport of it. because who needs schools, hospitals and fucking electric?
The Gazans can see right through this obvious ruse and protest by joining Hamas fighters to throw stones at tanks..
Those bombed out areas will be rebuilt, replanted, and populated with Jewish families with 24/7 army protection. because Israel says so...
The Gazans have to submit 100% for their water, electric, and water rations IF Israel decides to open the gate for it on any given day.
Go Israel...
Hamas isn't particularly noble, neither are the people who started them - the israeli government.
The fact is the size and scope of these atrocities and their predictable outcome - the massacre of mostly innocent people , many women and children, are by any notion an abomination.
The fact that the palestinian people ( which the political class of the US - many of whom are dual citizens have marginalized to the point that they say they are a theoretical construct ) are kettled into ghettos while their ancestral land is simply stolen is also a high crime and the people who prosecute that crime daily deserve to hit the gallows.
the goal here is a final soution for the palestinian people. End of story. It has always been that way.
"How do you feel about HAMAS? Be clear now."
I don't give a shit for either side. I could care less. I'm simply sick of funding Israel. Why do I have to pay their way???? How are the people of Alabama better off by paying for Israel's Iron Dome?
Please answer - and please be clear!
Some people seem to be so hang up on those rockets - those are no more than fireworks made out of desperation by poor, frustrated militants. Far from sympahizing with Hamas but what shooting few usless rockets into uninhabited zone between Gaza and Israel has to do with murdering civilians in Gaza?
JLee2027
Could it be because your logic is the same that you voiced re: priests raping children is more detrimental to little boys than little girls because of the ratio of the victims?
You're really a piece of work.
You avoided the question WilyGroper (interesting name there, that talks about molestation).
Here is the question again:
So, how do you feel about HAMAS? Be clear now.
I feel Hamas is a violent response to violent repression and land theft. I dont support Hamas but I do understand their position and given the support for self arming on this site I imagine most people here would do the same.
These photos will appear in a Keynesian textbook soon, under the caption "How to stimulate the economy."
How many more Centuries of repetition do we need to learn anything from it?
" ...all war is immoral and if you let that bother you, you're not a good soldier." General Curtis LeMay
"my boy curtis hooked me up, man, I'm annihilated!"
wait a sec, wrong movie
Shooting rockets at a Nuclear reactor is a war crime.
http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Rocket-alert-sirens-sound...
I would hope you would know why.
Not under any clause but by hasbara logic.
Sandmann:
Don't be an ass. You get the idea he's communicating.
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Sandy,
ya gotta' do ur own research on the Geneva and the Hague and the "Law of Land Warfare". In there, you will find really interesting shit that CNN can't comprehend, viz:
For political reasons, combattants can add further restrictions to above, they can not lessen the restrictions.
All of this, of course, is to make warfare more "civilized" and "humane."
Yeah, right.
- Ned
Murdering women and children in a UN school is a WAR CRIME!
Sheeeit dude, islam itself is a war crime. Izzys have not destroyed enough islamic hamas rats, I am very dissapointed. In the meantime ZH leftist obamatron asshats exclude the real genocide going on in the name of allah.
http://gulfnews.com/news/region/iraq/isil-militants-execute-dozens-from-...
Isil militants execute dozens from Yazidi minorityFears mount for thousands from minority groups fleeing insurgent onslaught amid retreat by Kurdish forces
Baghdad: Militants of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil) executed dozens of people from Iraq’s Yazidi minority who refused to embrace Islam, witnesses said.
Witnesses told a news agency that 67 young men were shot dead by the militants in the northern town of Sinjar, which the militants stormed on Sunday, driving off hundreds of families who had been residing in the area.
The men had been detained by the Isil militants since Sunday, witnesses added.
The Kurdish Bas News Agency reported that 88 Yazidis had been executed.
Meanwhile, tens of thousands of people, many of them from Iraq’s Yazidi and Turkmen minorities, are in dire need of help after fleeing the militant takeover of Sinjar, rights activists said on Monday.
According to the UN, up to 200,000 people fled the northern town when the Isil militants moved in and Kurdish peshmerga troops retreated on Sunday.
Many were Yazidis, a small community that follows a 4,000-year-old faith and has been repeatedly targeted by militants who call them “devil-worshippers” because of their unique beliefs and practices.
Sinjar was the main hub of the Yazidis in Iraq but the town of 300,000 fell to the Isil, which took the main northern city of Mosul on June 10 and this weekend secured much of its hinterland.
“What Daash [the Arabic acronym by which Isil is known] has done against the Yazidis in Sinjar is ethnic cleansing,” said Khodhr Domli, a Yazidi rights activist based in the Kurdish city of Dohuk.
“There are still thousands of people heading to Dohuk but thousands are also trapped in the Sinjar mountains,” he told AFP.
“There are old people among them, children. They have no food nor water, some have died already.”
“We last we had contact with them was last night [Sunday] but this morning we have not been able to make contact,” Domli said. “They face a double threat: nature and Daash.”
As Kurdish fighters struggled to hold back the onslaught of the militants on Iraq’s north, some 40,000 Yazidis fled the northern towns of Sinjar and Zumar, said Jawhar Ali Begg, a spokesperson for the community.
“Thousands of Yazidi people have been killed,” he said. The militant group gave the Yazidis, who follow an ancient religion with links to Zoroastrianism, an ultimatum to convert to Islam, pay a tax or face death, Begg added.
The United Nations said last month that more than 500,000 people have been displaced by the violence since June, bringing the total this year to 1.4 million, including more than 230,000 Syrian refugees.
Sinjar was also home to hundreds of families from the Turkmen Shiite minority who had fled to the nearby city of Tal Afar in the early days of the militant offensive nearly two months ago.
Ali Al Bayati, a Turkmen rights activist, said he was receiving very alarming reports about the people who had been forced back on the road on Sunday.
“Out of the 500 Turkmen Shiite families who had to flee, about 100 or more were able to reach a cement factory located about 15 kilometres outside Sinjar,” he said.
“They are still there and have nothing. They need help,” he said.
Bayati said that a larger group fleeing the raids was intercepted by Isil militants, who executed many of the men.
“The terrorists took the women as slaves and are now holding a large group at Tal Afar airport.”
They will come for you too dhimmwit. They come for everyone. islam has been and always will be genocide.
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing...
Grimaldus
Hamas was committing a war crime when it targeted Jewish housing. Civilian areas may only be targetted when there is military facilities/troops operating within them, plus there is a requirement that civilian areas are not to be used as a shield. So Hamas committed a war crime by bombing civilians with 5,000+ missiles, Hamas comitted a war crime by using civilian areas as human shields and the Israelis were (mostly) justified in targetting Hamas targets in civilian areas.
Does not rule out the possibility that some of the IDF actions were excessive or unjustified (and war crimes). Those images don't show carpet bombing or indescriminate destruction, seems that certain structures were obliterated and others were not.So either the IDF was hitting random buildings hard (waste of ammo) or they were going after specific targets.
Now watch the Joo haters downvote me (I'm not Jewish but that won't stop their bile).
Hamas is hoewever not a State but a terrorist group in your view. Gaza is not a state but a Bantustan. By your logic Israel commits war crimes in Lebanon with its invasions and its Air Force striking infrastructure.
There is no doubt that Hamas and the IDF deserve each other as you say
Yeah, but guided and precise attacks that kill kids are 'unimaginable restraint', right?
Then why is Hamas hiding behind the kids? Fight like men should fight. Israel isn't hiding behind the women and children. Where is you believe in your god?
Then why is Hamas hiding behind the kids? Fight like men should fight. Israel isn't hiding behind the women and children. Where is you believe in your god?
Then why is Hamas hiding behind the kids? Fight like men should fight. Israel isn't hiding behind the women and children. Where is your belief in your god? Does he tell you to hide behind the innocent?
Yep, bizarro world we live in. Sending rockets into Isreal and all is good. Destroying where the rockets were launched is bad, war crimes. Not sure I understand the logic.
ZH has become infested with a few Joo haters with multiple aliases. They swarm on these threads, with the same message over and over again.
Zero Hedge needs to clean it up, or people will start leaving if they haven't already. john39, bigim, cosmos, luckystar all need to go, among others.
Pot, meet kettle.
Or you could just leave.
I forget to include you, john39 I mean Jonesy.
I'd rather ZH was kept open for all points of view.
Message boards require moderation and removal of troublemakers. Someone advocating war and destructon is a troublemaker, like these joo haters. That's as open as they get.
Pot, meet kettle.
I'm all for wiping out HAMAS as long as they attack Israel. Do you have a problem with that? Then you have a problem with peace.
You are insane.
You're catching on. Now have fun with it.
you sound like a good little authoritarian. CNBC or Marketwatch might be more your speed.
just like a good little nazi. seems genetic.
What a surprise: Zionists are against freedom of speech. What else is new?
You think you have rights on a message board? LMAO.
were you not just whining above that a list of posters should be banned?
Behave yourself. Stop with the hatred of Israel. It's irrational.
GayLee seems to think he has the right to decide who stays and who goes on ZH.
Why don't you just make it easy on everyone, become a martyr and peace the fuck out. It is obvious from the down arrows that your point of view isn't very popular here, so why continue to force your rhetoric?
No one cares about what you have to say, and you are obviously too retarded to see it.
Truth is rarely popular. It usually interferes with the people's plans to do what they want, with no consequences.
And stop calling names. You're better than that.
As a neutral observer I would class you as one of the largest 'troublemakers' in these threads. Does this mean I think you should be banned from ZH? No, I find it interesting all the different opinions people hold and how strongly them believe them.
I have been reading most of the comments in most of these Gaza threads, and I would say that I am disappointed in the level of debate. A lot of people are advocating more killing on one side or the other and most of the arguements fall into name calling rather than using logic and reasoning.
I expected better from ZH readers.
You aren't neutral in my book. You keep responding to me and taking sides. If you were neutral, you would not comment.
So start now.
Sometimes objective reality provides you with a side.
The goyim need to learn their place, don't they, Chaim?
It's hard not to reply to you since you make up ~40% of the comments in this thread. If you read my comments you will see that I am not advocating the murder of one group of people or another. You may think I'm picking a side because you only seem to think in black and white, us versus them. Just because I don't agree with what you say it doesn't mean I want all Jews exterminated, infact I don't want any Israelis killed as much as I don't want any Palestinians killed. Your problem is that your attitude and 'solutions' would lead to more Israeli deaths than my perspective.
One of the biggest (though not best) thread HIJACKINGs I have ever seen here on the Hedge. Derailed just about every comment, discussion, line of thought...
nOsUCHaGENCY does in fact have a bonus program for effective work
Message boards require moderation and removal of troublemakers.
EDIT: The message boards that you prefer are those that have moderation and removal of troublemakers.
You sound like a progressive: make everyone else change so that you're not offended.
Pussy
This website could have every racial slur in the book flying around and I'd still come here. You can choose not to.
His name was Francis Sawyer.
You make a strong point.
But I'm no pussy meat. I oppose lies and hatred, and the enemies of GOD cannot be ignored because this is evil.
Derp.
Come to think of it, I have seen plenty of anti-Jew comments since Francis was banned, and most of the people posting them are still around.
So what really happened to Francis?
Message boards require moderation and removal of troublemakers
is that a quote from hitler sounds like a final solution.
moses if you have a complaint about folks on here contact the adl,aipac maybe silverstein from the 911 insurance claim can buy zerohedge and you can run it
into the ground : )
The rabbis of the Talmud are notorious for their legal hairsplitting, and quibbling debates. But they share rare agreement about their right to molest three year old girls. In contrast to many hotly debated issues, hardly a hint of dissent rises against the prevailing opinion (expressed in many clear passages) that pedophilia is not only normal but scriptural as well! It’s as if the rabbis have found an exalted truth whose majesty silences debate.
None of that is in the Bible tony wilson. You keep mentioning, in virtually every post your hatred of Jews, in one way or another. Can't you control yourself?
Evil is done by men. If you agree Hitler was evil, you should have some moral sense of right and wrong left inside you. A guy like you needs a moral compass. Like the Bible. Forget some Talmud writings that are not in the Bible. They are from men, not GOD. There is a distinct difference.
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They cut this Palestinian kid's arms for "throwing Stones" before murdering him
Chutzpah is a Talmudic word that means many similar things, chief among them being shameless audacity, impudence and arrogance, each and all laced with incredible self-righteousness.
That's terrible. Evil happens in every city of the world. Men are evil, can be vile. Anywhere. Anytime. Become a better person, not by complaining about some evil, but make yourself better. Cause right now, and I don't mean to offend you, but your head is looping on evil. You need to break out of the loop.
bible isn't exactly that great either... slavery, killings , incest...stonings etc
bible isn't exactly that great either... slavery, killings , incest...stonings etc
If condemning this obliteration is the criteria, they better ban me too.
pods
if you are condemning this obliteration you are a jew hater but don't try to counter with goy hater because that just confirms you are a jew hater. these people are idiots and worse. if anyone was banned for lack of logic, name calling, bigotry and advocating genocide the board would be absent hasbara and civilized again.
jlee2017
the avatar is that you moses?
you is one ugly looking fucking rabbi.
what kind of freak takes foto avatars while jerking off his kosher meat.
you are one sick fuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDqNLrOd_SY
Thanks. The need to insult people means you have lost the argument.
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jlee... you first of all.
what happened to that johnny cock'n balls
can't quite remember the name but u know who i mean
I think you mean blockading a entire group of people economically for NINE YEARS is a WAR CRIME!
No that isn't.
jlee2027
moshe watch this
info on hamas rockets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JocCJrBdSE
Tony,
NO. If you don't think HAMAS is shooting rockets and mortars into Israel, you are a fool.
Do these rockets have guidance systems or explosive warheads?
Are they rockets in the same sense a firework is a rocket, or a ICBM is a rocket?
No ICBM's yet. Should the blockade be limited and we see what HAMAS imports?
any fireworks hitting israel is idf psy war you fucking freek.
problem
reaction
solution
you turd.
what would happen if hamas did not exist?
the yid would have to invent them all over again.
no blood ritual no organ harvesting no talmudic,torah torah torah bora with a hamas you cunt.
you need hamas
your child rape parties need the constant supply of fresh young meat.
read the talmud mosher
absolutely it largely is a psy op. Insterviewing people hysterically running for bunkers.
It reminds me of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWtwjDhgN3Q
1 minute in is the vaudville money shot.
HAMAS IS GONNA GET ICBMS! LOL!
hamas hamas hamas hamas human shields human shields... just a talking point. You're simply a coward that justifies killing people trapped in a ghetto.
What, like this 'Palestinian' who for some reason is wearing a typical Muslim amulet - the Star of David. http://iamthewitness.com/img/Fake.Hamas.jpg
And they must all be collectively punished for it, I guess.
Does that mean it's time to exterminate the Jews? That literally exactly follows your logic, Herr Hitler.
No, it's just desserts. But I doubt it's being done by the Palestinians. The Jews do it to themselves to justify taking more land. I'll be convinced that some outside party is doing it when you get a dose of Ebola lobbed your way. One can only hope it's soon.
Lets see the damage the rockets have done i Israel from that high up -------- still waiting , because it is not going to happen , all bow to the joonazi.
There is no such thing as a war crime. Israel and America have ended any pretence of an international regime to punish war crimes.
And shooting INTENTIONAL ones, THOUSANDS, and actually killing people (many women and children) is NOT?
Come clean, either "Iron Dome" works, in which case Hamas' firing of pea-shooters (10 to 20 lb warheads atop shaky rockets) in to Israel (in protest of being slowly exterminated), is, as the "numbers" (of killed) have it be, effective, or it is not, in which case it's a demonstration of Smedley Butler's belief that "War Is A Racket."
Iron Dome Boondoggle: Has Obama Just Signed a $225M Check for a Defective Israeli Missile Shield?http://www.democracynow.org/2014/8/5/iron_dome_boondoggle_has_obama_just
"Don't think you are going to conceal thoughts by concealing evidence that they ever existed."
Destroying rocket launchers that are firing at you is not a war crime, it is common sense!
Did you know that a blockade is an act of war?
How many of your friends and family would need to starve to death before you take desperate action, however ineffectual, to strike back at your oppressors?
Peace was offered many times. They don't want peace, they want Jewish blood. Israel was attacked on day one, before any blockade. The Jews were attacked before the state of Israel existed. This is not a blockade issue, it is a "brainwashing children to kill jews" issue.
I don't think you know what the terms of Israel's "peace" were, friend.
Rather one sided, to say the least. It is Israel that doesn't want peace. They have a policy of doing outsized damage to civillians. Look up the "Hannibal Directive".
Tell me, if what Israel is doing to Palestinians is fine, then do you think the Nazis were right to do the same to the Jews, given that some of the Jews were inciting Communist rebellion in Germany, and were caught red-handed?
Yes, Israel has every right to protect themselves from weapons HAMAS wants to import. Sheesh.
Sure, and with that right comes the likely inevitable end of the state of Israel. Israel isn't and never will be strong enough to eternally hold off the "barbarians at the gate," as has been the case with any empires; nor will it rise to true empire level- it'll likely never be able to conquer all those neighbors around it (when the US empire collapses, which it will, then the big gorilla friend won't be there).
Unless the Bible is true, where every nation will rise against Israel and the Lord will intervene and defeat them all.
You think like a pagan Seer, but a smart guy like you needs to cover all his bases so to speak.
tmosley - I have been following this confilct for 30 years, so I am quite familiar with the details. When Barak and Arafat met at Camp David, Israel gave into all of his requests plus giving 98% of the 1967 land (including land swaps) to the Palestinians. If you consider that unreasonable and blame Israel for the lack of peace, I question your knowledge on this subjuct or worse your agenda.
Say that were the case, why even negotiate, why not just hand it over and settle with them? Because you want to settle ON them. Right on top of them. Your dirty bantustans and daily humiliation of those people, the only peace you want is when they are all dead. Fuck your fictitious peace offerings, you want war and you want to wipe them off the map. Does the logic even hold... they must agree to 98% or you'll take even more? Oh so they better agree, the clock is ticking.. oh look we took some more... the clock is ticking... oh they voted for hamas... wrong vote we don't like those guys we'll take more land... the clock is ticking... we take more land... oh those people are so stupid... and now we'll finish them off!
You're just a miserable bunch of genocidal bastards and only dumbass stupid people think what is going on in Gaza today is justified, IT'S UTTERLY DISGUSTING.
The only thing Israel asks in return for giving the Palestinians land is for them to provide for a method to prevent mass murder of Israelis. Since most of these Palestinians were brainwashed to kill Jews, Israel wants assurances that they won't use their freedom to purchase missiles and fire them into Israel at will. This is precisely what the Palestinian Authority refuses to agree to.
When Egypt agreed to this demand they got the entire Sinai peninsula (which is larger than Israel).
WRONG. Israel needs the war so they can exterminate the natives. They were never offered anything but lies.
ah, the firefighter vs the arsonist
Using children as human shields is a WAR CRIME. Firing rockets indiscriminately into urban areas in a WAR CRIME.
Marauding Syria and Iraq and butchering men, women, and children, destroying religious shrines, and establishing 16th century religious laws is a WAR CRIME..
But no need to discuss that or demonstrate in the streets... No, lets just bash the Jews.
"Using children as human shields is a WAR CRIME. "
Says who, Israel?
Killing mothers and fathers, thereby leaving the children orphans, yeah, That's better!
Like Hamas has tanks, airplanes and lots of land to run around in... No, it's people within a civilian population that have minimal armaments and protective capabilities. Just about anywhere they could be firing from is likely to have women and children nearby, especially given Israel's ability to wipe out a vast swath of real estate: how many women and children can you fit under one of Israel's bomb craters?
"But no need to discuss that or demonstrate in the streets... No, lets just bash the Jews."
Problem is that people like you take this personally. I, and many others here, argue based on logic and facts, logic and facts that are absent in the heavily biased news media.
go live there...you will then see who the true criminals are.
Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. Gaza resident asked, will you rebuild? With what? "Hamas took all the cement to build tunnels," he said.
Yeah and fair play to them, tunnels were the only way to break the seige. Did the Gaza resident ask that or did he really ask "can I import some cement via the tunnels since the miserable Jew stops me from buying anything".
And Israel took all that US aid to build... weapons, and worthless boondoggle "defense" systems like "Iron Dome."
All that shows is buildings that have or have not been destroyed (some have, some have not). There is absolutely no evidence of any war crimes in those pictures. Well, that is unless you believe youtube videos proved that Assad gassed his people and that cartoon lines on a map prove the rebels shot down MH17.
War is hell. Buildings get destroyed in battle. Y'all better get to understanding that. If what a lot of us suspect is true, it will be coming here to the US too. You can run around with your panties in a knot or you can come to grips with reality and learn to deal with it.
I have no affection for run-of-the-mill domestic Jews. I watched them invade and destroy Rockland County, NY, and Orange County, NY. And, the Jew money changers right along with them. That being said, I have no knowledge of Israeli Jews blowing up buses filled with Arab women and children. I must support their right to live in peace, not encroach on their neighbors, and to not be bombarded with missles. OK, start with the down arrows!
did you even try to look?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein
if you are waiting for the MSM to show you these ugly truths, you are not paying attention.
And if you can't (won"t) make the distinction between the radicals that you link to, and a world being overrun by muslim radicals, not much to discuss.
+100
And fuck you john