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US Army General Killed In Kabul Officers Academy Attack

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A two-star US General has been killed in Afghanistan, according to ABC News, which appears to be the highest-ranked US officer KIA since The Vietnam War. The attack took place in the relative safety of the officers academy at Camp Qargha, Kabul, when a gunman wearing an Afghan army uniform apparently turned his weapon against Americans and other Afghans. In addition to the US general's death, a German brigadier general was injured along with 15 other ISAF personnel. Afghan President Karzai said the attack was "an act by the enemies who don’t want to see Afghanistan have strong institutions."


As ABC reports,

The Pentagon confirmed to ABC News today that in addition to one fatality, 15 International Security Assistance Force personnel were injured. Karzai said that both Afghan and foreign soldiers were hurt.


Gen. Mohammmad Zahir Azimi, a spokesman for Afghanistan's Defense Ministry, tweeted in Dari that the gunman was wearing an Afghan military uniform and was shot dead after opening fire on Afghan and international colleagues.


The soldiers were visiting the military academy to help with the buildup of Afghan security forces, Karzai said. He blamed the attack on "enemies who don't want to see Afghanistan have strong institutions."


Qargha, which is overseen by the British military, is sometimes called "Sandhurst in the sand" - a reference to the British military's own officers' training school.



"We are in the process of assessing the situation," the ISAF Joint Command said in a statement. "More information will be released as we sort out the facts."

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Sadly, NBC News reports, officials said the death toll is expected to rise given the severity of troops’ injuries.

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Perhaps it is not yet time to turn the page on war in Afghanistan, Mr.President.


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Tue, 08/05/2014 - 10:58 | 5048807 TabakLover
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What a colossal waste of life and money Iraq and Afghanistan have been. Thanks so much all you f'n neocon bastards.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:01 | 5048815 Manthong
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Another great investment in money, time and lives brought to you by your betters in government.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:02 | 5048831 Stoploss
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Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:05 | 5048843 kliguy38
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Its to keep us safe over here and go out and buy stuff.. BTW I thot we left already

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:06 | 5048854 Xibalba
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U.S. Identifies Vast Mineral Riches in Afghanistan


 nearly $1 trillion in untapped mineral deposits

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:12 | 5048888 eclectic syncretist
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Word on the street is that the General's Security Detail was busy guarding the latest poppy harvest and world-wide heroin distribution project at the time.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:18 | 5048927 john39
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Afghanistan, known as the 'graveyard of empires'...   how appropriate as the current empire dies.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:23 | 5048956 Latina Lover
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Afghanistan is a waste of time, mone and precious lives for the average American.  For the USSA Deep State, the profits are beyond comprehension:

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:37 | 5049049 666
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"U.S. Identifies Vast Mineral Riches in Afghanistan"

I didn't know opium was a mineral.

BTW: Why is the USSA exploring for minerals in Afghanistan? I thought our job was to kill everyone and keep the poppy flowers blooming. Can't we keep our noses out of other peoples business?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:49 | 5049130 froze25
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Hey the US Gov't has a vested interest in making sure the CIA heroin money keeps flowing out of Afghanistan and into our children veins.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:06 | 5049250 ilion
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The best news of the day.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:05 | 5050776 0b1knob
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< Workplace violence.

< Terrorist incident.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 19:33 | 5051614 max2205
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Tue, 08/05/2014 - 13:28 | 5049709 junction
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Aghan warlords and the Taliban sell opium while the Man From Kenya peddles hopium.  No difference.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 20:24 | 5051802 conscious being
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FYI, in 2001, prior to the tragic event of 9/11, the Taliban got a multi million dollar payment from the USG for successfully / adequately supressing opium production.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 13:51 | 5049890 phaedrus1952
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The nickname of a certain former politician- Poppy -did not come from him being a grandfather.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:47 | 5049436 Kirk2NCC1701
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Guys, depends on how you view the Afghan situation:  Problem or Opportunity?  And for whose benefit?

If your answer is "For The People", you get gonged.  It was NEVER about the proclaimed reasons.  It was both a defensive and offensive move in regard to PIPELINES.

It was offensive, to run oil/gas from Central Asia (the 'stans') via Afghanistan to Pakistan.  This messes with the Russians, helps US Big Oil, its USD and MIC, and excites Zio-Neocons.

It was defensive, to prevent an eminent Iran-Afghan-China pipeline (not in USD).  This is the part you don't hear about, because these three 'Amigos' don't talk to Gringos.


The US prevented the coming Iran-Afghan-China pipeline, but their enemies are preventing the US from running its own.  Stalemate.  The US realizes this, and would rather accept a Pipeline Stalemate than anything else.  Time to "exit", but leave enough forces behind to maintain that Stalemate.  No more, no less.  All else is theater for the Sheeple.

If China gets bolder, they'll announce the pipeline -- with clear warning to the US to stay out.  Alternatively, Iranian oil simply gets rerouted via Russia.  Bad for OPEC, bad for USD and its 'Prime Beneficiaries'.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 13:26 | 5049699 oudinot
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Great analysis , thanks. 

Although the proposed Iran-Afghan-China pipeline may have been ,'esteemed', and be 'eminent';  I think you meant the pipeline was, 'imminent"; as in impending, occur quickly.? 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:32 | 5049011 mr.n3utr0n
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Another Vietnam.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:57 | 5049198 Vooter
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And LOTS of people predicted that that's exactly what would happen! Oh, well--just keep listening to your government. They know better...LOL...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:03 | 5049226 Terminus C
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Lots of people predicted that with Iraq too and look how wrong they were... oh wait...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:51 | 5049151 Urban Redneck
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It demonstrates the resilience of local government power (in this case largely tribal) against the centralized fascist model (based on Washington DC) that the USSA believes simply can be CTRL-C/CTRL-P worldwide.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:01 | 5049218 worbsid
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When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
   An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.
      Go, go, go like a soldier,
      Go, go, go like a soldier,
      Go, go, go like a soldier,
         So-oldier of the Queen!

Kipling (long long ago)

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:29 | 5049342 Manthong
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Aw, for chissake..

I can’t believe I have just read that Kipling piece for the first time.

It was not in the texts where I went to school.

But I wonder what ol’ Rudyard would make of the military now that they are being turned into queens?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:40 | 5049407 wtf1369
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As I understand it, Kiplings love affair with armed conflict (as he himself never served) ended with the death of his boy on the WWI killing fields.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:20 | 5048929 Latina Lover
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Just wait till a US General Officer is killed in the Ukraine.  Or did that happen already....


FYI, I do not trust the source, but it does provide food for thought.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:30 | 5048994 JohninMK
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By co-incidence that was also a 2 star general. The US is getting careless.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:45 | 5049111 Grumbleduke
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too much generals on the payroll. got to thin that herd, too...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:53 | 5049168 Buckaroo Banzai
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Some generals will be retained. Some will be let go. Some will be purged.

"We will reward our friends...and punish our enemies."

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 14:09 | 5050034 Overfed
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Here I was hoping McChrystal was the one that ate a bullet.  Then I realized that he is retired. Shit.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:43 | 5049432 Seek_Truth
Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:31 | 5051158 Chaos_Theory
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Any guess on the demographics of those let go?  Hint...Army just increased it's diversity percentages!  Stilll, they're lagging in the Transvestite quotas though.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 22:47 | 5052003 Seek_Truth
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Yes it's a fine time to replace experienced, battle hardened leaders with battle-inexperienced bulldykes, fudge packers and he-shes.

What could possibly go wrong?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:08 | 5049260 OMG
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& the CIA operative that killed the generral also killed the guy wearing the uniform, since the general disagreed with a "new normal" policy dictated by our government controlled banker overlords.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 14:36 | 5050231 hot sauce technician
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Which would be?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:36 | 5049375 TheMeatTrapper
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Too bad the General didn't have the Boston cops guarding him. They have a hell of a lot more firepower than the army, and they aren't afraid to clamp down and disarm everybody in sight. 

Oh, that's right, I forgot. They are busy clamping down here.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:47 | 5049455 wtf1369
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Wow. Desensitization on display. If that ain't a fuckin psyop I don't know what is.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 05:02 | 5052963 August
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American Generals come and go, but heroin is forever.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:19 | 5048934 swmnguy
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"nearly $1 trillion in untapped mineral deposits."  So, it's already a money-loser.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:41 | 5049091 Mr Pink
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It's a money loser for US. It's pure profit for them. When the taxpayer pays for your overhead how can you go wrong?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:44 | 5049435 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Russians knew about the vast mineral wealth in Afghanistan also. That is one of the main reasons they invaded the place. Problem is the terrain and weather you can't conquer those people over there because of it. There are too many places to hide tilting it in favor of asymetric guerilla warfare tactics. No formal standing army will ever stand a chance in a place like that and you'd think the US would have learned from the Russians.

Hubris always brings a downfall.


Tue, 08/05/2014 - 13:31 | 5049729 Grimaldus
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The US should have never stayed in afsuckistan. I wonder why obomber has not pulled all the troops out? Hmmmm, seems the leftists are far bloodier than the neo-cons, leftist progressives always sit on top of a much bigger throne of corpses than dumbass neo-cons, mass murder is what leftist progressives do. 

yeah, leftists are some bloody motherfuckers for sure.

In some months of the year, the harvest is really good and the US kills up to 5000 murdering islamic taliban morons. Those numbers are not sustainable for afgan snackbarian rats. The afgan rats have been long crushed and defeated. Of course the replacement rats are coming in a constant stream from paksuckistan. The obvious answer to the problem is to blow the fuck out of paksuckistan but they wont because the pakisuckstanians have nukes. So the slaughter of murdering islamic snackbarian rats infiltrating from paksuckistan and other areas of islamic hatred continues at a slow pace and US casulaties are inevitable.

US forces kill taliban in huge numbers with both hands tied behind their backs. I'm not sure why anyone would say taliban are winning unless they are ignorant, low information brainwashed progressive leftist morons?


Tue, 08/05/2014 - 14:17 | 5050094 oudinot
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Because, Grimaldis, the US is retreating from their defeat in Afghanistan

Usually if one wins one does not withdraw, retreat.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 14:14 | 5049856 Grimaldus
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duplicate post

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:10 | 5048878 Leonardo Fibonacci2
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The problem is those countries (Afghanistan + Iraq) are worse off since USSA meddled in their countires just to create more havoc.  How many patriots died for nothing.  The politicians who lied should be hung in a public square by the families of the lost loved ones.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:17 | 5048917 Spitzer
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The Krauts and Seppos are really starting to piss me off vis a vis Russia. Knock a few more of them off. See if I care...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:38 | 5049382 RafterManFMJ
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I just thought of an awesome cartoon:

A big black pot of shit.
In the pot also is a huge 6 foot spoon, labeled US Foreign Policy.
Obama, wearing a goofy smug grin and as frilly apron is stirring the pot.
Obama arms and head are held up by strings and above him, each string is held and maneuvered by ... well, you'd have to use your imagination on that one ...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 13:05 | 5049582 Miles Ahead
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He (Leonardo) said "patriots". Is that why they went over there? You know, I was wondering.  Now I know.  Because they cared and loved the homeland so much.

Got it.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:17 | 5048921 Abitdodgie
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If we left Afgan who would look after the opium production.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:41 | 5049087 Leonardo Fibonacci2
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me me me me..........please

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 13:29 | 5049710 dogbreath
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I don't think you have to worry about that

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:46 | 5048846 BaBaBouy
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Your IRAQ & AFGAN Gifts That We Now OWN, Live On... And ON And ON And ON ...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:50 | 5049148 froze25
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Don't let congress off the hook that easy, if they wanted to they could cut off funding. But they don't have the will or the balls as we have seen with how they deal with the criminal activities of this president.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:55 | 5049181 RaceToTheBottom
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He has a book out where he explains it all.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:56 | 5049191 Urban Redneck
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That's the crux of the problem- that you even think you can own Iraq & Afghanistan in the first place...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:27 | 5049333 thamnosma
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Bush?  Hey moron, we're six years into the Obammie regime and we are still there.  This war is now HIS war.  You do recall during Obammie's 2008 campaign he said Iraq was the wrong war and Afghanistan was the right DO remember that?   Bush is history, quit the obsession.  This is all Obammie now.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 14:13 | 5050069 BaBaBouy
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You Still Don't Get It, Do You??????

He Is The One That Signed The WAR Invasions, Against All Evidence Of Reason...
ONCE YOUR In, Your In For Good!

Get It Yet???

Obumah Or Any Other New Prez Can Do SHIT About It For Decades (Generations?).

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 14:21 | 5050125 Grimaldus
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Obomber and hitlery destroyed libya illegally. What they did there is the very definition of a war crime. Everyone that dies because of the ukraine conflict dies because of obama and lurch. Why are you trying to look stupid?

obomber likes to kill, he is just getting started.


Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:59 | 5051000 RafterManFMJ
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It will not be officially 0bam0's war until the 15th year of his dominion, Peace be Unto Him.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:50 | 5049480 wtf1369
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Shit if we own 'em we ought to be able to donate 'em... possibly even claim it as a charitable donation on next year taxes.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:14 | 5048902 Abitdodgie
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Someone who dedicated his life to killing other humans has been killed, one step closer to world peace. I for one will really mis his gift to the human race.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:20 | 5048938 Kaiser Sousa
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oh, well.....!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:50 | 5049144 headhunt
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Fuck you2

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 20:40 | 5051856 conscious being
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Any US general has had ample opportunity to assess the facts and do his duty according to the oath he took to defend The Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. The fact that none have done so to date, leads me to say Good Riddance to bad trash.

Stick that in your headhunt and smoke it.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:16 | 5048910 oudinot
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You are a real tard.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 13:37 | 5049759 The.Harmless.Jew
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Yeah? well, let's start with the Zionist Fed, the Zionist bankers, the Zionist media, the Zionist carpet bagging backers, the Zionists in Government (ALL fucking Governments!), and he Zionist Israelis. 


That should fix 99.99% of the world's problems.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 14:48 | 5050308 hot sauce technician
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Retard, the fed, banks and media are "Zionists" just like Obama, Clinton and Yellen are "capitalists". Grow the fuck up.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 20:45 | 5051879 conscious being
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Hey hot sauce. Checking the tally at this point in time shows everyone thinks you are an AssHole. Deal with it.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:03 | 5048836 gh0atrider
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Stay out of other people's countries and you won't get killed.  Seems pretty simple.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:48 | 5049132 headhunt
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I agree - but if you do go in, fight a war and not a PC pussy-fest - that is what is killing our soldiers now.

Fight a real war or get the F' out.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:51 | 5049477 mc225
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slaughtering entire populations is so old testament -- uncouth, especially without god telling you to do it.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 14:22 | 5050133 headhunt
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"slaughtering entire populations is so old testament" ;so if we only kill 2/3, that will be OK.

"without god telling you to do it."; so the myriad of muslim murderers like ISIS must be OK, they are following their gods orders.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:03 | 5051026 RafterManFMJ
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I agree - but if you do go in, fight a war and not a PC pussy-fest - that is what is killing our soldiers now.

Fight a real war or get the F' out.

This dumbass believes war is about winning, about responding to a real existential threat; FNG!

Paging Smedley D. Butler! General Butler, please pick up the golden courtesy phone!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 13:16 | 5049637 Kirk2NCC1701
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Hopefully all resistance fighters will act on this lesson:  If you really want to kill the snake, you cut off its head.

The bigger the snake, the more spectacular the decapitation.  All snakes with military or intelligence/spying stripes are fair game, I'd imagine.  You will want to avoid the DC Pinstripe snakes though, as that creates a whole new set of much bigger problems.  Unless such a snake was unwise enough to be agitating in a dangerous area/capital, and a rogue snake hunter went after them.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:14 | 5051064 RafterManFMJ
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Ah Kirk, no wonder you're in charge of a Starship.

I've often said, as an illustration:

You have a .338 Lapua and are on watch over a wide, verdant valley. No one knows you or knows you're there... enemy battalion begins marching across the valley, through the tall grass... You scope the column and see a general in brass and bluster marching along with the column.

You'll get one accurate shot, maybe two, before they all go to ground.

So...whom do you shoot?

Joe Dumas the Private? The guy carrying the colors? The cook?

Identify those that CRAFT the policy that has destroyed you and yours, not the scum that implement or enforce it (although to be sure, their time will come).

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 20:50 | 5051900 conscious being
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RafterMan I hope you never leave ZH.  Much better place with you here.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 16:06 | 5050779 SmittyinLA
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....and keep "other peoples" out of your country

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:04 | 5048844 dontgoforit
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We buried my friends son, Jason, in 2008 (Iraq).  And if not for the grace of God we would have buried my son (Afghanistan) - a couple of very close calls.  In the end, we have done nothing to change the tide of history in those two countries.  We have wasted over a trillion dollars and thousands of lives lost or irrevocably messed up. 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:12 | 5048889 Wolferl
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Yep and don´t forget those more than 100.000 killed Iraqies and who knows how many Afghans since the US took over that countries. And those millions and millions in Vietnam and North Korea. Nice record for a country some say is a democracy.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:21 | 5048951 john39
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>>nothing to turn the tide

really...  I wonder if you have even thought to consider that statement from the perspective of the Afghans or the Iraqis...  millions dead and suffering, utter devestation...   the U.S. certainly  turned the tide, but not for the better.   Who is at fault? the people who knowingly started these wars.  But, until we all stop pretending that our children are dying for some noble cause, this evil won't end.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:52 | 5049484 mc225
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and DU -- the gift that keeps on giving -- everywhere we go.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:26 | 5048892 hedgeless_horseman
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...we have done nothing to change the tide of history in those two countries...

Well, there is still no pipeline from Iran through Afghanistan to China, Iraq still accepts only USD for oil,  and you still have $3.50 gas and Happy Motoring via the Petrol Dollar! Jason's parents can at least try to make their son's loss and the longest war in American history have some meaning by going out and buying something with 4-wheel drive and a V-8 engine. 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:26 | 5048972 Duffy
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no pipeline from iran through Iraq to Syria, either...

Meanwhile, Israel is stealing Palestinian and Lebanese med sea gas and no one, of course, will do a fucking thing about it.

Israel is also very willing to buy Kurdish oil at a discount, and Uncle Sam is strangely silent about it...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:37 | 5049041 hedgeless_horseman
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"I promise I will pull out."



Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:45 | 5049113 lakecity55
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"Reggie Expecting in November"

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:49 | 5049127 Manthong
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Pull out of what?

..seeing how the Wookie is a man.

The world might be going to hell in a bucket, but it doesn’t mean you can’t have fun with the absurdity.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:28 | 5048984 Manthong
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I miss the time when gas was less than 34.9, the monetary system was anchored in more than politician’s whims and Glass-Steaagall was the law.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:52 | 5049494 mc225
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whoah, how did yours turn into a reply to me, when we were both apparently replying to the same message? looks like a bug in this bbs software.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 20:57 | 5051929 conscious being
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One of several.  Unfortunately.

Rich text editing always fs up here. I have to disable same and bang in some of the html myself. But I'm getting good at it.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:17 | 5048922 oudinot
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Sorry for your loss

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:27 | 5048971 SteveNYC
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Sympathies for your friend's and your loss. I'm glad your son made it back.

The problem with all of these "wars" and "proxy wars" is that the bastards who make the decision to pursue them feel zero effects of the war and subsequently, the blowback. They trot around with their security detail, their children have security detail, pad their bank accounts with the public funds, take their annual vacations, life is good. They are oblivious.

Meanwhile, the military families feel the direct impact whether it be through loss, psychological effects, or other means. The citizenry feel the blowback by having thier reputation trashed overseas, becoming targets due to the passport they carry, and obviously endure the possibility of being caught up in a domestic terror attack which, of course, hits the citizenry at large and not those who pursued the initial war and harvested the blowback, nor their families.

One thing effects another, nothing is done that does not have a larger follow-on effect. When you learn to view the big picture, only then does it become clear as to how damaging consecutive administrations and their policies have been to this country.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:38 | 5049062 Abitdodgie
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If you are dumb enough to sign up ,then you get what is written in the contract, NOTHING.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:52 | 5049167 blackbeardz
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un-employed high school kids with no future, the perfect fodder and they recruit them before they grad.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:55 | 5049182 SteveNYC
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I don't disagree with you. However, we again need to look at the big picture. People do not simply sign up because they are "stupid", but because they have been worked on mentally and emotionally year after year with the .gov propaganda.

It is hard to step outside of the matrix, thus we must lead others.


Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:03 | 5049224 Manthong
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“thus we must lead others”

Lead by example.. contract, deflate.. starve the beast.

..go nuts... go Galt?

oh.. and withdraw before you are withdrawn.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:09 | 5049267 SteveNYC
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Sure, there are many ways. I'd probably try to avoid going "nuts" though.


Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:04 | 5049232 hedgeless_horseman
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Starting with our children.  You get 18 years...make the most of it.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:17 | 5049297 CheapBastard
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Steve has a point. We, the little people, have to suffer the blowback. Last time I was overseas in a post office some old Asian lady came up to me and spit on me telling me, "go back to the United States." Luckily she was 4'8" so the wet spit only hit my shirt but it was sad to see what people now think of us as a nation. Very undestandable but regretable.


Too bad Horse Faces' security detail was not there to stop it.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:27 | 5049332 SteveNYC
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A great case in point, thanks for sharing. I see and hear of so many other stories just like this. I don't carry a US passport nor the accent, however, my family does and I am acutely aware of this trend that is building especially in the past decade.

Glad you didn't catch it in the eye......!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:08 | 5051976 conscious being
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Relax. Everybody has issues. Nobody catches hate laced blow-back like the Israelis and they travel all over the place, except where they're not allowed, usually sticking out like very sore thumbs.

I'm welcomed most places I go with the possible exception of US Immigration on the way back in.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:02 | 5049222 Urban Redneck
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Bring back the fucking DRAFT. If 100% of the voting population was forced to experience the government from the inside, and as actual property of the government, then perhaps fewer of them would keep voting for MOAR GOVERNMENT, or thinking that government can actually fix anything.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:30 | 5049350 CheapBastard
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That's what my neighbor says also; he said if they re-instituted the draft the wars would end in a few weeks.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 13:41 | 5049785 knightowl77
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Did that end VietNam?

Most of the anti-war left are pro BIG Gov't & promote it as the solution to every malady. Most of them are also NWO/No borders supporters...

Yet they (and the neocons on the right-hell they are all progressives) seem to have no problem with Obola droning the crap out of people all over the globe...toppling gov't after gov't in Africa and the M.E.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:13 | 5052004 conscious being
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Yes, it did. People had skin in the game and got out on the streets in numbers. Today we only have printable fiat debt in the game. Not the same.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 01:20 | 5052806 r0mulus
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TPTB know this and know how it would ruin their clandestine coalition government. That's why they absolutely can't do it. Bread and circuses instead, live in HD in Plato's Cave near you.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:34 | 5049025 rubiconsolutions
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"In the end, we have done nothing to change the tide of history in those two countries."

Sure, except for the history of the hundreds of thousands of innocent lives that have been lost. 

"....and thousands of lives lost or irrevocably messed up."

By whose count? If you factor in the losses in the countries that America has waged war in the number is in the millions. But they really don't matter do they? 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:41 | 5049088 Abitdodgie
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Of the 236 conflicts/war started after WW11 America has started 201 of them and killed over 30 million people , so USA USA USA fuck yea.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:39 | 5049063 XitSam
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Lots of soldiers have seen no escape from the killing and killed themselves. A sad testament on our policies.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:51 | 5049156 Vooter
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Sorry for your loss, and I mean that. But I have to ask, in all sincerity: Should people MAYBE stop enlisting in the U.S. armed forces? Is that an option at all, or is there just some requirement that says that random citizens have to give up their lives to feed an out-of-control war machine, even when they know that doing so is stupid and wrong?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:04 | 5049229 Urban Redneck
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If good people refuse to serve, then who will comprise those who do serve?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:08 | 5049257 Vooter
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Who exactly are they "serving"?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:25 | 5049325 Urban Redneck
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The State, which is exactly why it is all the more important that the psychopaths are kept to a minimum.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 01:24 | 5052810 r0mulus
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I think you have a great point: that we should want principled people to be in the armed forces. unfortunately, I think in practice it works out that "individual thinkers" will get weeded out by centralized power structures and cult of personality of the party.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:20 | 5052026 conscious being
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I feel sorry for the National Guard types, prior to the 1st Iraq War who thought they'd be helping their neighbors during floods, etc.  for a few extra bucks each month and then find themselves lost, driving thru the desert sandstorm at night with IEDs and ambushes waiting to rip them apart.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:01 | 5049221 Latina Lover
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dontgoforit,  as a parent I can understand your feelings.  I have told my boys that joining the USA military today is nothing more throwing away their lives on behalf of the MIC and their elected criminals. 

All wars are bankster wars.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:49 | 5049475 dontgoforit
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Some of these folks are 'true' patriots and love their country while in the same breath not loving their government.  And for many, it's a job where there aren't a lot of jobs available.  I see them as our ace-in-the-hole against the totalitarian wanna-be's - like the current administration.  When push comes to shove, our military stands with us - not the politicians.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 21:21 | 5052037 conscious being
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Kent State??

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:04 | 5049223 Latina Lover
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Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:55 | 5049504 TheMeatTrapper
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I have two cousins who deployed to Afghanistan. One came home with a Bronze Star with V for Valor - and quit the army. The other was a Marine who came home requiring assisted living care for the remainder of his life. He was in country for less than two months before being ordered to drive down a road into an IED ambush. For nothing. 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 13:04 | 5049569 dontgoforit
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Sorry doesn't mean enough.  If eloquence were my gift I'd give you a portion right now.  My nephew also got a Bronze Star in the first gulf war for saving a navy seal's life.  The courage of these young men is inspiring.  To have to live the rest of your life paying for an IED is crazy.  I've seen video of taliban working the roads at night, putting in the damn things and the rules of engagement don't allow our guys to go after them until something's not a war; it's a fiasco with dire consequences for many.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 17:49 | 5051191 RafterManFMJ
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We buried my friends son, Jason, in 2008 (Iraq). And if not for the grace of God we would have buried my son (Afghanistan) - a couple of very close calls. In the end, we have done nothing to change the tide of history in those two countries. We have wasted over a trillion dollars and thousands of lives lost or irrevocably messed up.
So.. So many greens.

Not sure I get why though?

Blood in the desert sand? Your son survived his mercenary, pirate killing spree?

I suppose it's a good thing to dirty your hand in murder and evil and live to murder another day; after all, few really want to die - even those sub-human Browns and Yellows, can we agree on that?

Did you console your friend with the cold comfort that he added a few ticks to Halliburton's stock price?

Did you Eulogize him for keeping the full-tank cost of your SUV under 75 bucks, or for his defense of the PetroDollar?

Does you son still carry a rifle for Empire? Your other kids? Did you?

Your post, and it's greens are fucking pathetic:

"I murdered for the Banksters, but golly, now I know I done wrong"

Fuck you, Fuck your dead pal, and Fuck your son.

I'm going to ask you a question, and you will answer Yes - and this goes for every one reading this - or you will through simply fact and sociology forever brand yourself as a cunt and/or liar:

If you found your Nation, your village, your house under assault by a foreign power intent on imposing on you a change in government and they'd already killed neighbors, friends, perhaps family...would you do everything in your power to kill as many invaders as you could, in any way you could?

Feel free to answer below.

As for your dead pal the only tragedy I see is he won't get a chance to repent his Evil.

What's your son doing? How 'bout you?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:04 | 5048845 y3maxx
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Who gains from Ebola in the USSSA...or Killing a US General in Kabul...Ukraine...Syria?


...Israel...takes people's mind off of its Gaza/West Bank insurgence.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:44 | 5049108 Anarchy 99
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sad to say, the MIC's return blood for $

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:55 | 5049188 Translational Lift
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The answer here is......wait for it...........GUN CONTROL!..................what a f,n waste...........

This is what you get with corrupt leaders in this country mating with corrupt leaders in other countries.


Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:02 | 5048832 BaBaBouy
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Your IRAQ & AFGAN Gifts That We Now OWN, Live On...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 14:36 | 5050234 Oath_Keeper
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the dems led the charge for us to go to afghanistan, not gwb.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:03 | 5048833 Hippocratic Oaf
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Get the fuck OUT!

Let them kill each other.

Fucking open up domestic oil.

Start building that pipeline.

Fuck the East, let 'em have it!

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:05 | 5048851 JustObserving
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The decade-long American wars in Afghanistan and Iraq would end up costing as much as $6 trillion, the equivalent of $75,000 for every American household, calculates the prestigious Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:10 | 5048876 Sudden Debt
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You can repay that sum later... with interest...


Tue, 08/05/2014 - 13:11 | 5049613 TabakLover
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Think how much that $75K per would have boosted the economy.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:08 | 5048867 barre-de-rire
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check this out :

next is russia :)

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:41 | 5049084 booboo
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Generals have been known to have private security details so when shit gets real the detail hoses down everything in sight just to be sure which is why they are private and can be swiftly fly the coop when charges are levied by the occupied country. Sooo what I'm saying is that most the injuries may have come at the hands of the detail but we'll never know so fuck it, nevermind.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:43 | 5049100 Vooter
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LOL...war is all we do now...pathetic...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:06 | 5049247 caconhma
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Well, this was/is Obama and his generals war. Remember that Obama has removed/retired over 300 top military people and replaced them with his people. 

So relax nobody of any value war harmed.

As for the Afghanistan war, this is a good time for the USA to flee as fast as we can. Afghan fighters one cannot buy & sell like f*cking Arabs. Mullah Omar is not living in Qatar in a 5-star hotel as the Hamas leadership does.

Well, so much for "the New World Order". 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:17 | 5049301 Freddie
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***ALL*** wars are for banksters.   Dr. Jim Willie said we are just there for a $200 billion a year heroin trade.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 10:58 | 5048809 medium giraffe
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"the enemies who don’t want to see Afghanistan have strong institutions."

Death to the EWDWTSAHSI!  Terrorist scum.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 10:59 | 5048810 PlusTic
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Why does the US need generals there to guard poppy fields?  Can't privates do it...

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:06 | 5048819 what's that smell
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US Army General Killed In Kabul Officers Academy Attack


Death Star General Assassinated In Rebel Alliance Attack



Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:17 | 5048920 boattrash
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The Oldest method of Troop Reduction....

Here's a link to a Second Method

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:20 | 5049310 Freddie
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I read some of the comments on stars and stripes and the troops sound like Free Shit Army.  People posting about the threats from China and Russia.  The threat is in DC and NYC and where the second passport holders are really from.   The troops are used, maimed and killed but they don't get it.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:36 | 5049372 worbsid
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I read in our local paper today that there is a high percentage of African American majors being released.  I had to read the article twice because I could not believe the Army was that stupid. Yep, they are that stupid.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 12:56 | 5049521 TheMeatTrapper
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The Army is cutting a lot of Majors before they are eligible for retirement. They are starting with those with discipline and performance issues. 

You connect the dots. 

Either way, going to be a lot of pissed off, utterly unemployable ex officers hitting the streets soon. 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 13:26 | 5049695 wtf1369
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Fuck that! I'd much rather see a fuckin general/politician (same fuckin thing) humping a full combat load on some bullshit mission with his fat ass on the line than some poor duped private.

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 10:59 | 5048811 fightthepower
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Fuck you Rothschilds! 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:01 | 5048812 Dr. Engali
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Thirteen years later and we are still wasting lives and breaking the national treasury in that shithole. WTf is it about that place that lures empires in there to die? 

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:01 | 5048816 Seasmoke
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Poppy. Dr. Papi

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:02 | 5048824 achmachat
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Poppy fields.
Or was that a rhetorical question?

Tue, 08/05/2014 - 11:08 | 5048866 Dr. Engali
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"Or was that a rhetorical question?"


Yes it was. I'm well aware of the CIA opium trade, and the minerals in that craphole, but the end result is always the same.

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