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Ebola Deaths Go Exponential; Nigeria Demands Experimental Drug From US, Saudi Death First In Arab World

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The official Ebola death toll is now at 932 with over 1,700 reported cases but as the WHO reports, in the last 48 hours, deaths and cases have exploded (48 and 108 respectively). As the charts below show, this epidemic is going exponential. What is perhaps most worrisome is, while playing down the threat in Nigeria (most especially Lagos - which the CDC Director is "deeply concerned" about), officials have formally asked the US for the experimental Ebola drug, which suggest things are far worse than the 3 deaths reported so far in Nigeria would suggest. Finally, as we warned yesterday, Saudi Arabia is suffering too as the main who was hospitalized yesterday with symptoms has died - the first reported casualty in the Arab world.


As The BBC reports,

It is the world's deadliest outbreak to date and has centred on Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.


Eight people are currently in quarantine in Nigeria, Africa's most populous country, and two have died there.




The Saudi man died after showing Ebola symptoms when he returned from a business trip to Sierra Leone, the Saudi health ministry said.

The Ebola outbreak has gone exponential...





And then there is this...


Nigerian Health Minister Onyebuchi Chukwu has sent request to director of U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, he tells reporters in capital, Abuja.


“We have been in communication in the last 36 hours”


“We are getting reports that the experimental drug seems to be useful”

Which suggests things are far more serious in Nigeria than officials are letting on. As The BBC reports,

But it is not clear if the ZMapp drug, which has only been tested on monkeys, can be credited with their improvement.


Prof Peter Piot, who co-discovered Ebola in 1976, Prof David Heymann, the head of the Centre on Global Health Security, and Wellcome Trust director Prof Jeremy Farrar said there were several drugs and vaccines being studied for possible use against Ebola.


"African governments should be allowed to make informed decisions about whether or not to use these products - for example to protect and treat healthcare workers who run especially high risks of infection," they wrote in a joint statement.


The WHO, "the only body with the necessary international authority" to allow such experimental treatments, "must take on this greater leadership role", they said.

As CDC's Director warned...

As Al Arabiya reports,

A Saudi man, who was hospitalized for suspected Ebola infection, died on Wednesday.


The man, in his 40s, had returned recently to Jeddah from a business trip to Sierra Leone, the Health Ministry said on Tuesday. He was admitted to hospital on Monday and showed symptoms of Ebola virus infection.


His death marks the first reported casualty of the Ebola epidemic in the Arab world and comes as an emergency World Health Organization summit was being held in Geneva to discuss measures to tackle the epidemic.

And finally - some humor from Michael Ramirez at

Source: Ecologically Oriented blog


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Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:23 | 5055340 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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So what is the vector for this little replicating rascal?


Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:25 | 5055356 fonzannoon
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I wonder if this NYC guys door has been blasted open yet as the masked, suited up men come  rushing in to "talk" to his family.

If this test had been negative it would have been all over the news yesterday.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:29 | 5055380 Almost Solvent
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Tyvek & Duct Tape people! Get ahead of this now! A few months sealed in your house will be much better than frickin' Ebola!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:42 | 5055410 ZerOhead
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That's Al Gores Global Warming chart again... I'd recognize it anywhere!


Perhaps there's a link here? Maybe a $10MM research grant?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:42 | 5055454 kaiserhoff
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The silence from Atlanta is deafening.

Oh, shit!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:46 | 5055476 gh0atrider
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gh0atrider get Ebola go straight to Satoshi!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:49 | 5055500 kliguy38
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no serum for you!!!  YOU AINT IN THE CLUB!!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:53 | 5055531 FuzzyDunlop21
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I dont see what the problem is, that chart looks just like US National Debt which Krugman says is Fine, Just Fine.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:56 | 5055536 ZerOhead
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Ladies... please...

Everything is going to be alright. They are just fucking with your mind to condition you to fear.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:58 | 5055572 gh0atrider
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Try some high cryptose bitsyrup and never fear again!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:50 | 5055826 Publicus
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mosquitoes will spread ebola

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:22 | 5055982 Rusty Shorts
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Stalk Eyed Fly maybe, we found a few specimens on a Fruit Bat in west Africa.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:02 | 5056175 franzpick
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O'BOLA is doing a press conference in a few minutes to explain once again how he will NOT get to the bottom of this.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:27 | 5056271 BaBaBouy
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""If this test had been negative it would have been all over the news yesterday.""

BIG Brother Is Waiting For A New WAR To Break Out So They Can Release The Result

With Little Fanfare ...You Know, For OUR OWN GOOD.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:42 | 5056368 TheRedScourge
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The flu killed half a million people last year, yet the flu doesn't get plastered all over the news like this. Why not? Because the media needs a relatively NEW distraction. The real question is, what are they trying to draw attention away from?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:45 | 5056384 onewayticket2
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NYC announcement has to come AFTER commuting hours....dont want a stampede.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 21:38 | 5056960 erg
erg's picture seems to spike near market crashes. This next one looks like it's going to be a doozie.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 23:34 | 5057394 AldousHuxley
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and Wall Street Journal pumping up African investments with articles showcasing miracles happening there.



Wed, 08/06/2014 - 23:49 | 5057429 Elvis the Pelvis
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If I contract Ebola, should I still invest in gold and silver?  Just wondering.  Bitchez.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 23:59 | 5057451 Save_America1st
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WATCH and LISTEN then PASS IT ON.  Excellent interview with Marine Colonel Pete Martino:  I See Something!

This is the TRUTH, "Folks"!!!

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 00:02 | 5057461 Four chan
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its karma for all those scam emails from nigerian princes. pay backs a bitch.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 21:07 | 5056836 Socratic Dog
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The flu killed 1/2 a million?  Where'd you get that figure from.  Let me organization whose funding will be increased if we are all frightened enough?

That is an inflated figure.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 21:20 | 5056888 Silky Johnson
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They keep saying it's spreading in West Africa because they're eatin the bush meat. I thought the brothers weren't particularly fond of that activity?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 22:13 | 5057084 Urban Redneck
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The analogue of bushmeat in the US is free range (i.e ANYTHING without antibiotics, hormones and GMO feed).

Imagine the possibilities of using ebola to eliminate the Whole Foods snobs wholesale in the US...

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 23:06 | 5057271 wee-weed up
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our southern border is WIDE open!

The terrorists thank you, Obozo!

And they have voted you...

Most valuable team member!

Take a bow, bro..

You know... just like you do with...

Every dictator and potentate you meet!

So easy, even an incompetent can do it!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 23:05 | 5057304 James_Cole
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The analogue of bushmeat in the US is free range (i.e ANYTHING without antibiotics, hormones and GMO feed).

Imagine the possibilities of using ebola to eliminate the Whole Foods snobs wholesale in the US...

As terrified as y'all are of this perpetual non-issue (ebola) in the west, you remain incredibly ignorant of what it actually is.  

It's done gon exponential!! I hear it's even in the water supply! Opp nopes, that's just the phosphorous from the factory farm up the street. Thank the gawds for factory farming! Fuck those whole foods snobs and their quaint attitudes about not eating toxic shit. 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 23:04 | 5057302 tarsubil
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That is a bullshit number from the CDC. If someone at death's door dies with flu, flu killed them for people whose funding is based on flu deaths. Total bullshit.

How many people do you know who have suddenly died from the flu? Now cancer? Now AIDS? Some would have you believe they are all equal when they are clearly not and any non-retard could look around and see that. Now imagine 9 out of 10 people you know getting sick and 4 dying a painful bloody death. Nothing compares.

A guy asked me if Ebola was like E. coli laughing at the hysteria. I just about bloody shit my pants. Everyone of us has E. coli in our gut. Add a virulance factor carried by a plasmid and it is a pathogen but one at least pretty well known to your body. No one that gets this is ready. 90 to 55 percent die horrible and painful deaths regardless of health. If Ebola spreads, it will be the black death of our time. There is no modern comparison. This shit is real. With 8 cases in Nigeria, it is close time to panic.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 23:13 | 5057314 James_Cole
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How many people do you know who have suddenly died from the flu? 

Weak immune system couple with flu can lead to pneumonia and pneumonia kills millions every year. It's actually one of the leading causes of death. Not so much outside of the poor and old, but it's a common way to go. 

Nobody on here going batshit crazy about pneumonia but i guess it's just not as exciting. 

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 02:35 | 5057695 ebear
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When was the last time you needed bio level 4 containment to treat flu patients?



Thu, 08/07/2014 - 03:02 | 5057725 James_Cole
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When was the last time you needed bio level 4 containment to treat flu patients?

^ stupid people logic

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 23:35 | 5057395 Kirk2NCC1701
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War Crimes in Gaza, E. Ukraine, Iraq, Syria.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 22:16 | 5057092 SilverRhino
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Here's a fucking disturbing link ....  

An excerpt ... emphasis is mine.  

The woman's sister cared for her, and in doing so contracted the Ebola virus herself before her sibling died of the haemorrhagic fever it causes.

Feeling unwell and fearing a similar fate, the sister wanted to see her husband - an internal migrant worker then employed on the other side of Liberia at the Firestone rubber plantation.

She took a communal taxi via Liberia's capital Monrovia, exposing five other people to the virus who later contracted and died of the Ebola. In Monrovia, she switched to a motorcycle, riding pillion with a young man who agreed to take her to the plantation and whom health authorities were subsequently desperate to trace.

"It's an analogous situation to the man in the airplane" who flew into Lagos and died there, said Derek Gatherer of Britain's Lancaster University, an expert in viruses who has been tracking the West Africa outbreak closely.

Liberia's Ebola case count is now 329 including 156 deaths, according to latest data from the World Health Organisation - although not all are linked to the Guinea market case.


Gatherer noted that while Ebola does not spread through the air and is not considered "super infectious", cross-border human travel can easily help it on its way. "It's one of the reasons why we get this churn of infections," he said.


Is this man on drugs, riding in a taxicab KILLED FIVE PEOPLE.  That virus is AIRBORNE.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 23:01 | 5057285 Oliver Klozoff
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Each infected airline passenger is like a bomb going off when they arrive at their flights destination.


Wed, 08/06/2014 - 23:51 | 5057432 Paveway IV
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"...riding pillion with a young man..."

I never heard it described that way in America. In fact, I never heard of a pillion. Sounds like a Zimbabwe (and soon American) currency denomination: "Hey buddy, got change for a pillion?"

A pillion is a mostly British English term for a secondary pad, cushion, or seat behind the main seat or saddle on a horse, motorcycle, bicycle or moped.[1] A passenger in this seat is said to "ride pillion" or may themselves be referred to as a "pillion." The word is derived from the Scottish Gaelic for a "little rug," pillean, which is itself from the Latin pellis for "animal skin." One or more pelts would often have been used as a secondary seat on horseback; the usage has carried over to motorcycles.[Wiki]

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 04:27 | 5057815 IndyPat
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Here it's called "riding bitch"....

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 23:55 | 5057443 Urban Redneck
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The doctors' definition of "airborne" is problematic because technical aspects ignore practical reality.

Water is airborne. Yes, there is are technical differences between airborne water in the form of raindrops/roadsplash and airborne water in the form of fog. However, the bullshit spewing forth from the "medical establishment" is that if you use an umbrella, you won't get wet in a rainstorm.

That doesn't mean that it wouldn't be a lot worse if the virus was truly airborne in a laboratory sense, like second hand smoke is airborne. Watch any smoker exhale and you see the smoke from each travel breath at 30-50 feet before the dissipation becomes invisible to naked eye.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 02:40 | 5057697 California Nigh...
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POTRblog (of unknown cred) has an interesting take. 

How is it that in West Africa so many of the healthcare workers are becoming infected despite their elaborate precautions?

Seems likely that the act of hosing down healthcare workers with disinfectant as they exit the isolation units aerosolizes the virus. A microscopic droplet of fluid can carry far more viral particles than are needed to cause an infection. The result has been a rash of cases of "inhalation Ebola" among the staff.

If this turns out to be true, I guess we are big time fucked. 

Now, surely people will flee existing and new Ebola hotspots and many will be drawn to the USA.

Imagine some Ebola victim inadvertently or intentionally vomiting into the fountain at UN Plaza in San Fran. 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:38 | 5056064 dogbreath
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Canada is fucked.     Just in case as <i am traveling for the summer   Its been a slice.  I though some of us would have a chance to meet in the gulag,  now it might be heaven.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 19:07 | 5056474 robertocarlos
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The mosquitos are not bad in the city. 5 bites this year.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 19:40 | 5056581 McCormick No. 9
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Wed, 08/06/2014 - 23:46 | 5057426 Kirk2NCC1701
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Ebola is tropical, Canada isn't.

The Walking Dead takes place in Georgia. Were it to take place on Canada, it'd be called The Frozen Dead.

I'll bet you cheer for the Maple Laughs too.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 01:47 | 5057647 RafterManFMJ
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Damn, the population of Apelanta might go from useless breeders to ululating bleeders.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:10 | 5055646 Citxmech
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Out of all of the things to be concerned about - a deadly global pandemic is one of things worth being particularly concerned about.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:44 | 5055813 sodbuster
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No problem, Nigeria, all I need is your account # and password.............

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:00 | 5055884 Herd Redirectio...
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You know, its funny.  You crack the history text books, and they say the Black Death killed X amount of people and Y % of the population (about 100m dead, ~40% of the populace).

And it'll say disease killed more Native Americans than war did (which killed a fair few).

And then we talk about the difficulties the Global Elite would have, trying to get the peasants to fight and kill one another...

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 02:05 | 5057664 RafterManFMJ
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You're right; that is pretty funny.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 02:49 | 5057705 azat501
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It isnot about death of innocents, it is about what killed them. If they are dying by hands of the humans and there is nothing to gain there than i dont care but if they are dying by something i cannot control than it is a problem and we need to fix this asap.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:25 | 5055951 BrosephStiglitz
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Completely agree.  War is a little scary.  Energy?  Water? Maybe at some point in the future.

A global pandemic in the historically most interconnected world that we have ever seen?  Absolutely.  Back in '09 in my immunology prof's first lecture he tossed up a chart of historical plagues.  His exact words?

"We are historically overdue for the next big epidemic."

This ebola stuff is absolutely terrifying.  Not much else that I see in here worries me, but this stuff?  Nightmarish.

Let's not forget the facts:
- 2-3 week incubation period (let's see how far it has gone in another 21 days?)  Anyone could be a dead man walking without knowing it.
- 57% mortality rate to date.
- Already detected outside Africa (UK, US.)
- Viral so literally no antibiotic treatment.  Experimental treatments at best.
- Most likely has gone airborne, suspended in water droplets, despite what media says.

And pretty much every pathogen which comes from that part of the world has you dying a horrible, gruesome, and ghastly death.  I really don't want to go out with my internal membranes like swiss-cheese and leaking blood through all my orifices.

PS: the hockey-stick on the historical global population chart does not do much to inspire confidence either.  That shit is liable for a 30-60% downward correction over the next 20 years.  You can find that sort of boom/bust population graph in algal blooms (due to eutrophication.)  It always gets ugly one way, or another, and this time we are the algae.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:42 | 5056369 Crash N. Burn
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"- Most likely has gone airborne, suspended in water droplets, despite what media says."


"To make matters worse, there is something very, very important that the corporate media and public health officials are not telling you regarding this crisis.

You'll notice if you read virtually any mainstream article on the topic that they make a point of insisting that Ebola is only transferred by physical contact with bodily fluids. This is not true, at all.

A study conducted in 2012 showed that Ebola was able to travel between pigs and monkeys that were in separate cages and were never placed in direct contact.

Though the method of transmission in the study was not officially determined, one of the scientists involved, Dr. Gary Kobinger, from the National Microbiology Laboratory at the Public Health Agency of Canada, told BBC News that he believed that the infection was spread through large droplets that were suspended in the air.
"What we suspect is happening is large droplets; they can stay in the air, but not long; they don't go far," he explained. "But they can be absorbed in the airway, and this is how the infection starts, and this is what we think, because we saw a lot of evidence in the lungs of the non-human primates that the virus got in that way.""

Ebola - What You're Not Being Told


Wed, 08/06/2014 - 20:15 | 5056672 Lost Word
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Government scientist caught on camera joking about creating pandemic killer virus:

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 21:09 | 5056850 Silky Johnson
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Never been to the zoo as a kid huh? A favorite pastime of monkeys and chimps happens to be flinging their own shit. I am guessing the monkeys took aim at the pigs and let the ebola fly.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 22:27 | 5057090 BrosephStiglitz
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Call me a cynic, but I think scientists might be able to spot splattered fecal matter on pig cages?  I don't have too much faith in lawyers, politicians or economists, but I suspect that many scientists- particularly those studying deadly diseases, can be trusted to spot basic stuff like that?

Also there was also a case of Ebola infected African monkeys in a US research laboratory which were culled by the military.  The ebola then spread to monkeys in ANOTHER lab on the other side of the complex. The suspected means of transmission was via the ventilation ducts.

I guess they might have been flinging fecal matter around 90 degree bends in the ventilation though?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 23:07 | 5057306 mygameon
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Isolated, non-preferated cages sharing common air via covector duct work with fan. No way shat was thrown into another cage. We are a bit more cleaver than the common bear. Can tell you as a Ph.D. Scientist in drug development, this is really fucking scary and very real. I removed myself from the public last week after Sawyer died.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 23:26 | 5057367 Silky Johnson
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Hope you have plenty of foil to fashion hats in your bunker.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 03:01 | 5057724 ebear
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 "We are a bit more cleaver than the common bear."

Hold on a minute!  Bears in Yellowstone know that to open a locked VW beetle you just jump up and down on the roof.   Ever see a person who's locked the keys in their VW try that?  Alright then... what other things do they know that we don't?  Hmm?   Seriously, I wouldn't underestimate bears if I were you. 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 21:11 | 5056853 Socratic Dog
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CDC isolation recommendations for healthcare workers: droplet.  Forget contact, it's already being treated as droplet.

If it goes truly airborne, then it's all over.  Or not.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 22:02 | 5057039 argoz
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Mortality rate much higher than 57%.  Ratio of dead to total cases is currently low due to exponential spread of disease which has added 600 new cases in last 10 days many of which have not died YET.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 22:17 | 5057094 BrosephStiglitz
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Yeah.  I was thinking the same.  ~14 day time lag between symptoms showing and a horrid death due to absolute organ failure.  You're probably right.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:45 | 5056095 cpnscarlet
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and the Yellowstone Caldera IMHO.

Rogue asteroid....something to think about, but not so much.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:01 | 5056169 83_vf_1100_c
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Bubonic Plague, resulting in the deaths of an estimated 75 to 200 million people and peaking in Europe in the years 1346–53, Picture some dude in tights and animal skins telling his buddies down at the pub it's no big deal, this new disease that started up. It could become a very big deal...or not. Eventually though, we are gonna get something that cuts down the population. 7 yrs of plague. Gonna need a lot of duct tape and Tyvek.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:21 | 5056257 ZerOhead
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It ain't killer flu.

This much harder to transmit.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:33 | 5056320 Kassandra
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Until this little virus figures out a better way...if it hasn't already.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 20:15 | 5056676 BraveSirRobin
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New reports of confirmed new cases in Saudi Arabia and Spain.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 23:46 | 5057424 SilverRhino
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Got links? 

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 00:59 | 5057576 Kirk2NCC1701
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Ebola "going... viral"?
Who'd have thought it?

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 04:57 | 5057832 margaris
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Kirk, you are killing me.

"He is dead, Jim"

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 01:13 | 5057601 BraveSirRobin
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Sorry, initial report. Story is the Spanish have transported victims from Africa to Spain for treatment.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 21:19 | 5056881 Totentänzerlied
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That's all 3 plague types combined. And it came in waves for some 3 centuries or so afterward. Of course the wave you mentioned - the first - was the worst. Europe had experienced a population boom in the prior 3-4 centuries, terminated abruptly by one of the continent's greatest famines ever (e.g. widespread cannibalism) in the 1310s, paving the way for an epidemic as practically all Europeans alive at that time were severely weakened from decades of frequent malnutrition and hunger.

Interesting aside: severe chronic vitamin A deficiency was a major contributory factor to early death in medieval Europe... because it causes night-blindness.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 23:18 | 5057346 COSMOS
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But they could still see during the day, what do you mean they died from night blindness lol

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 04:32 | 5057819 IrritableBowels
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They kept on walking into walls, causing massive brain trauma.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:01 | 5055590 gh0atrider
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Do you think any virtual people in Farmville are going to die of Ebola?  Who's laughing now Zeroheads??

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:01 | 5055589 Sudden Debt
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I've got this serum for sale... 5000 dollars per dose...
It does smells lik episs and tastes like piss...
But it's the real deal!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:41 | 5055794 Omen IV
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Goldman Sachs Senior Partners and family are geting the first dosage Tranche as scheduled

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:02 | 5055894 g speed
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seems like a waste as they're all going to jump off top floor anyway--

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 23:15 | 5057332 e_goldstein
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Here's to harmful side effects.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:30 | 5056296 Abitdodgie
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This is just a dry run it's not the real thing yet as no-one has turned into a zombie yet.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:47 | 5055488 IRC162
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It's all under control......Until it's not.


Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:02 | 5055595 Sudden Debt
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More people died today from falling of the stairs than the total of Ebola deaths but we'll see where it lead in a month or so.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:17 | 5055620 fonzannoon
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How do you take into consideration those with ebola who fell down the stairs? Your research seems a bit muddled.

check out the comments, no one is fooled.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:20 | 5055697 IRC162
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My point is that we won't know that it is 'here' until it is already on our asses.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:56 | 5055862 LFMayor
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I think you mean "bleeding out our asses".  Yeah, that!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:28 | 5056289 mt paul
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ban stairs...

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:29 | 5056294 still kicking
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If you gave me the choice of dying from falling down the stairs today or shitting myself to death from Ebola next month go ahead and sign me up for the clumsy fall.  I think that's the point of being concerned, NO ONE wants to go that way or watch a loved one go that way either.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 02:40 | 5057699 Sudden Debt
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Don't worry man! I'll put you down the moment it might look like you could maybe get sick!

Shotgun or nailgun?

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 12:37 | 5059448 still kicking
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Nailgun, it's not as messy

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:31 | 5056308 taxpayer102
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Atlanta Journal Constitution ( TOP STORY at 6:30pm is

Students find, share teacher's nude 'selfies'

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 19:49 | 5056610 Bangin7GramRocks
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Fuck Yeah! I'd lead with that juicy motherfucker too!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:47 | 5056394 Buck Johnson
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We are seeing the first shots of an epidemic in the making.



Wed, 08/06/2014 - 22:06 | 5057053 TeMpTeK
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Forever known as the Barack Obola presidency in 3...2.....1


Thu, 08/07/2014 - 00:12 | 5057496 Antifaschistische
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Just out of curiosity, can they also publish the number of births every day in these countries?

I got to make sure I keep all these scores in perspective.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:37 | 5055415 eclectic syncretist
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Too bad the treatment requires purification of an antibody from tobacco plants that take months to grow.  Supplies will be wiped out in no time at all.  Hopefully someone is out planting loads of the stuff around the clock right about now.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:40 | 5055437 Hugh G Rection
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Good God this is terrible!!


Quick! Is there a vaccine I can inject, or a tax I can pay???

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:40 | 5055443 BLOTTO
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Overload your body with Vitamin C if you do...


Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:51 | 5055513 SilverIsKing
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Pass the Purell please.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 20:02 | 5056637 eclectic syncretist
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Here's a nice desciption of how the antibody against ebola is made.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:51 | 5055520 Whalley World
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Good advice based upon this article.  I had thought nano or colloidial silver would do the trick but not so according to the link


Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:05 | 5055615 WillyGroper
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>>>may well require 500,000 mg of vitamin C daily to reach bowel tolerance! 


You'd be leaving a trail like count chocula. 

not one mention of liposomal for absorption.

on another note, iv C is used after cancer patients have been nuked with chemo.

CODEX Alimentarius

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:37 | 5056061 SilverRhino
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Just ordered a few kilos of Vitamin C .... cost ... 80 bucks or so ....

Yeah maybe I'm stupid but this is one bet I would absolutely NOT want to be on the wrong side of.  

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 19:10 | 5056481 Miffed Microbio...
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Unfortunately vit C therapy used in viral cases that had efficacy were ONLY IV administered. Oral vit c does not absorb to the required serum level. I guess this is when your IV drug user may be of some use if hospitals are not willing to do this type of therapy. I'd say long sterile IV needles,bags of saline and injectable C. Otherwise, take the risk with HIV and hep ?


Wed, 08/06/2014 - 19:28 | 5056545 American Dreams
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Hey Miffed how about Liposomal C?   Can be made rather easily and from my reading looks to have similar efficacy of IV admin.  What say you?

Know your enemy


Wed, 08/06/2014 - 22:45 | 5057222 Miffed Microbio...
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Ok, I must admit if this were flu or almost any other virus I admit liposomal Vit C has a good chance of therapy. However, THIS IS EBOLA. I am not sure if anyone truly knows what that means. Let me explain in the least techy way I can.

One of the reasons that Ebola is so deadly is that it has multiple ways of interfering with or avoiding the human immune system. While the virus is busy destroying the human body, the immune system is either still in the process of discovering that there is a problem, or is in such disarray that it would be next to impossible to mobilize a unified effort to fight off the invader.

A protein of Ebola called VP35 inhibits IRF-3 (interferon ) Studies indicate that in the absence of this antagonist activity, large amounts of IFN-?/? would be produced that would inhibit viral spread . In addition, these interferons influence the production of other immunoregulatory cytokines. This mechanism therefore provides a possible explanation for the blocking of dendritic cell (these are the cells that present antigens and activate the immune system) maturation visualized during Ebola infection which impairs T-cell activation and proliferation.

Fatal Ebola infections are marked by unchecked viral replication combined with an inadequate antiviral response. In order for this to occur, the early antiviral innate immune response must be delayed or inhibited. As evidenced by all of these proposed mechanisms, VP35 clearly plays a critical role in the pathogenesis of this extremely deadly virus.

The immune system is going haywire. Interferons are not being made because VP35 interferes with nearly every step in the process. White blood cells are trapped inside the circulatory system because Ebola GP limits their movement. Macrophages and monocytes are releasing a cocktail of proinflammatory cytokines that destroy the vascular endothelium, but also activate the coagulation cascade i.e. you go into DIC which is lethal in itself. This puts your body in a paradoxical state in which you can die of hypovolemic shock from massive hemorrhage, or from catastrophic thrombosis, the formation of blood clots around the body.

If Vit C were to have any efficacy, it would have to be administered extremely early in an infection IMHO. Once this virus has destroyed the immune system, it is too late.


Wed, 08/06/2014 - 23:04 | 5057303 CrazyCooter
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I have enjoyed your perspective on other posts and was wanting to ask a curious question that I am sure is of ancillary interest to others on ZH, although my situation is unusual.

If this variant of Ebola has legs (i.e. it is more communicable) and genuinely begins to spread, what is your opinion as to how that might play out in a modern world with air travel, sea travel, porous borders, and the like? To be specific, could a small town genuinely "block off its major roads" and have a legitimate benefit? I can see where cities would be screwed, given population density, but is there a point where the sparsity really begins to matter?

Take me as an example. I live in a small town in Alaska (30k) people with no roads in or out; folks come in by boat or by plane. If this got serious, is *all* air travel really going to stop? Water based traffic? Road traffic? This will significantly interrupt food supplies, fuel supplies, etc, so it might go on for a little while, but to do so in excess of the incubation plus illness phase could easily be 45 days which is likely well beyond most peoples resources to "self-quarantine".

In parallel, do the "super wealthy" really have an out hiding on a desert island or equivalent, waiting for things to blow over? This might either substantiate or dismiss claims by some with regards to chance it is intended or natural (we do have a lot of crazy shit going on right now - that is for sure).

How you reply might be informative for others in similar rural situations where the only difference might only really be road access.

I know this is speculative by nature, but you clearly seem to be both (1) a legitimate ZH poster and (2) interested in sharing informed opinions.



Thu, 08/07/2014 - 00:04 | 5057466 Miffed Microbio...
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Dear Cooter,

Please take what I have to say as my opinion only. Everyone is very concerned over this including myself but I DONT want to cause panic. We need our heads straight to deal with this, possibly serious, threat.

I think you should focus on the pandemic flu of 1917 as a possible answer to your question. Even then,with limited travel as compared to today, Alaska saw significant deaths from Influenza. There are so many theories why this flu was so virulent and I'm not sure if one or multiple concurrent variables were at play. But what I wish for you to take away from is that remoteness is no guarantee of safety. Not to scare you but to induce you not to be complacent. Look at the Black Plague for answers as well. What people fail to realize was there were multiple outbreaks. Each wave flowing over regions, to burn out and then erupt again. So, when people thought it was safe and resumed commerce, it hit again.

It is possible for Ebola just to burn out. This is how small pox was eradicated. With no insect vector nor animal reservoir, when the last person died it was over. Ebola has an animal reservoir. If it can establish one in this country we are finished because it will have the possibility hide for years before erupting again when it finds a sufficient host.

If you seriously plan to ride this out if it becomes a serious pandemic, you need to put up enough food/water/ supplies for YEARS and this means no contact with anyone. Not very practical for most including me. The uber wealthy during the Black Plague did retreat to their vast estates and did not suffer as the commoners but it was not 100%. Remember, if you venture out prematurely you are exposed to the agent and you have no better immunity then anyone else. There is something to be said for virulence dropping over time. When the polio vaccine was developed, cases were dropping in incidence. The vaccine simply dropped it faster. Ebola, over time, may lose virulence but historically this hasn't been the case until after millions have succumbed.

I'm sorry. I'm really sounding negative and fatalistic. I'm not intending to be so, just honest. Frankly I hope someone posts proof I'm way off the mark here and I will sleep better myself. I much rather be branded the tin foil hat loser than be correct.

Be well and God bless.


Thu, 08/07/2014 - 01:44 | 5057643 walküre
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Good posts. Thanks for the time to respond to Crazy Cooter. I can very much relate to his situation. Living remote and potentially isolated is definitely beneficial to the circumstance.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 06:53 | 5057916 stay on target
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If Ebola truly becomes pandemic in the developed nations, the authorities will pour billions of dollars/euros into vaccine and drug development. You will get at least one of the two medical options in less than 12 months, FDA will fast-track approval, and the pharmas will manufacture and distribute them rapidly. The main reason why even with modern medicine we do not already have a therapeutic or a vaccine for Ebola virus is: in the grand scheme of things, Ebola was not a serious public health threat, even in Africa (malaria, tuberculosis, HIV each kill a lot more Africans annually). If this outbreak becomes a global pandemic, we will see a concerted response to contain and fight Ebola.


The other thing is, Ebola is a rather preventative disease. It is not as communicable as measles or smallpox. Its main transmission route is not by air. Wear personal protective equipment (gloves, face mask), and practice good hygiene behavior (wash hands frequently, do not touch your eyes or mouth with your hands), minimize contact with human crowds and stay away from wild bats, pigs or monkeys. Follow these rules and even if you are living in the midst of a pandemic, you will dramatically slash the odds of getting infected to almost zero. If you are really paranoid, every time you return home from a trip to the pandemic world outside, immediately change and wash the clothes you were wearing, then take a hot shower with lots of soap.


The West Africans are losing control of the outbreak simply because of poor compliance and adherence to the simple rules stated above. Superstition and traditionalism are rife in West Africa and there is a lingering distrust of modern medicine.


Thu, 08/07/2014 - 10:17 | 5058634 CrazyCooter
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Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it. I prefer realistic and accurate assessments, even if macabre.

I moved to AK several years ago for wholly unrelated reasons. I thought my question was illustrative as you often hear other posts (perhaps sarcastically) joking about "wrapping their house in Tyvey and duct tape" and similar prep themes. It makes sense that you suggest the cycle will take years and might even have waves which makes hiding very difficult if not impossible.

To my surprise, I think your answer demonstrates the real danger, which is Ebola finding other reserve hosts in the other continents which would make the disease an essentially permanent resident there.



Wed, 08/06/2014 - 23:41 | 5057408 tarsubil
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If I were to create a viral weapon, the first thing it would contain is an interferon inhibitor. Started in the 70s in Africa. Back when "scientists" were inoculating gonorhea into the eyes of near dead subjects. Hmmm... stinks to high heaven.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 23:56 | 5057438 SilverRhino
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Does this virus also produce the cytokine storm that the 1918 pandemic displayed or is that just a small sideshow?

Hell get technical as possible on some of the answers;  worst case we all get a crash course in virology and cellular biology as we google subject articles to try and keep up.  


Thu, 08/07/2014 - 06:17 | 5057875 stay on target
Thu, 08/07/2014 - 06:07 | 5057866 stay on target
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No serious virologist would consider Vitamin C a valid candidate as an anti-viral therapeutic. Numerous studies have shown that Vit C does not even prevent or treat the common cold.

You'll just get a nice feel-good boost (the placebo effect), in which case you might as well take a sugar pill or read a few ZH articles.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:31 | 5059847 SilverRhino
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One, thanks for the link regarding the cytokine storms. 

Two, are you fucking kidding?  Vitamin C is a key component of immune system response.

Immune-enhancing role of vitamin C and zinc and effect on clinical conditions.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 16:04 | 5060823 stay on target
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You're welcome.


You know what... Lipids are also a key component of the immune system. But does drinking olive oil help one fight infections? Just because a molecule is abundant in immune cells doesn't necessary mean it helps fight infections (correlation vs causation fallacy). If you have scurvy or is Vitamin-C deficient, sure, taking Vitamin C will help you better survive infections but you can say the same for food for a patient who is malnourished in general (or water for any dehydrated patient).


For the typical healthy individual, the experimental evidence does not support the case for Vitamin C possessing significant anti-viral properties. Vitamin C is simply an essential nutrient required for maintaining normal redox reactions in cells.


The Pubmed article you cited was authored by Bayer Consumer Care. Hmmm I wonder if they have a vested financial interest to promote the "benefits" of Vitamin C?


Thu, 08/07/2014 - 16:32 | 5060980 Miffed Microbio...
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There are cases where high dose Vit C was therapeutic. These are anecdotal but I believe it warrants scientific study. I have run Vit C assays for the Linus Pauling Institute and I have been very impressed by several of the cases. Not that I'm implying this is a viable treatment for Ebola by any means but to completely discount something as frippery is premature IMHO.

30 years ago I had noticed I was often isolating a Corynebacterium in pure culture in our immunocompromised patient population. I called numerous Drs and PhDs insisting I thought this was aberrant and felt it should be investigated. I was dissed every time. Told it was normal flora. I knew it wasn't but I was just a lowly bench tech, not worthy of their respect. Years later research showed the pathogenicity of Corynebacterium JK and U2 and recommended screening for these 2 isolates.

Just because convention wisdom says one thing doesn't mean you should blindly accept it on faith. I was told many things about my own health by professionals. I believed them for 25 years. When I finally got the courage to tell them to FOAD and find answers for myself, I started down the road to health.


Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:35 | 5055754 stay on target
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If you have access to prescription drugs, go ahead and get some Clomid and Serophene. There was a recently published study that found anti-Ebola activity in these two FDA-approved drugs. The professor who co-led this study is one of the top molecular experts in Ebola virus.


We conducted a cell-based screen of Food and Drug Administration (FDA)– and ex–US-approved drugs and molecular probes to identify inhibitors of Ebola viruses using the eGFP-EBOV assay. This screen identified many approved drugs and probes with previously undocumented anti-EBOV activity, including the selective estrogen receptor modulators (SERMs) clomiphene and toremifene. SERM activity involves binding of the ligand SERM to the estrogen receptor (ER), a member of the nuclear receptor superfamily, causing conformational changes that facilitate interactions with coactivator or corepressor proteins and subsequently initiate or suppress transcription of target genes. SERM activity is intrinsic to each ER ligand, which accomplishes its profile by specific interactions in the target cell, leading to tissue-selective actions [reviewed in (5) and (6)]. Clomiphene (brand names Clomid and Serophene) is used to treat female infertility due to anovulation. Toremifene (brand name Fareston) is approved for the treatment of advanced metastatic breast cancer.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:08 | 5056197 Handful of Dust
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Ur crazy. I'm sticking to pizza, donuts and beer.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:15 | 5056228 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Interesting, but the dosage levels are insane... 60mg/Kg?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 20:23 | 5056705 Lost Word
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Instead of GMO monoclonal antibodies,

get the Ebola antibodies from an Ebola Survivor,

blood transfusion containing working antibodies.

The current method of treatment for Ebola in Africa,

If you can find a Survivor.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 21:15 | 5056871 Socratic Dog
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After I survive it, my semen will sell at a premium.  High enough that I can limit my marketing, to, say, hot young chicas.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 23:45 | 5057423 tarsubil
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Semen is virulent for months after recovery in men. I don't think anyone is going to pay you for it.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 00:12 | 5057494 willwork4food
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MY GOD TAR! We have near nuclear war with Russia, we owe China half the state of California (with the babes), our economy is on the cliff...Can't a man dream?




Thu, 08/07/2014 - 06:21 | 5057877 stay on target
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Already been tried this past week:


Passive immunization by blood transfusion is not a very effective method as you need a shitload of antibodies to get effective neutralization of the virus, especially if past the early stages of the infection.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 09:46 | 5058485 Lost Word
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Supposedly already has a history of being effective in Africa,

according to stories I read online.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 05:52 | 5057856 stay on target
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Yes, the inhibitory dose required is indeed quite high (and you'll probably get some nasty side effects at those levels). Typically you put the candidate drug compounds through molecular refinement using rational drug design to increase the affinity of the compounds to the targets, thereby decreasing the dose. But that takes time...

When Ebola comes knocking on your door, I don't think you'll care too much about those nasty side effects.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:45 | 5055463 Tenshin Headache
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Production is bound to be an issue if this outbreak continues on its present course. And that's if it works over the long haul. I'll be very interested to see how the two at Emory are doing in a couple weeks time.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:52 | 5055522 dontgoforit
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They want us to die.  All of us.  A 'natural' plague is the way to cover your tracks as it seems to have happened 'naturally.'

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:13 | 5055661 Citxmech
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Of for fuck's sake - was the Bubonic Plague and 1918 Spanish Flu conspiracies too?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:18 | 5055686 SMG
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  1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
  2. Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.\

Do the math, 7,000,000,000 currently.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:40 | 5055786 Citxmech
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That's your proof that this Ebola outbreak was a planned event?  Seriously?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:31 | 5056025 InflammatoryResponse
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Planned from the start?  Nah..


but the possibility exists that some back room types said "hey here is a crisis, let's not let a good crisis go to waste. we can do some things with this that we couldn't ordinarily do."


Like kill off a few million people.


Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:50 | 5056113 cpnscarlet
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Got to be a Muzzy or two trying to go to west Africa, get infected, then head for Israel.

Hopefully, one will be Shia, one Sunni...and then they'll head for Iran and Iraq.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:55 | 5056136 Citxmech
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. . . Or trying to figure out how to infect some pigs, seeing as how they can infect simians without close contact.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:23 | 5056265 Keyser
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Please do try to keep up... Google Agenda 21, read it, understand it, then you will not question that global de-population is in the cards...  

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 20:28 | 5056715 Lost Word
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Not a joking matter,

Suicidal Muslim extremists have already attempted other forms of biological warfare experiments.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 21:19 | 5056883 Socratic Dog
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Geez, that's just fucking terrible.  Why, we in the Enlightened west would NEVER do such a thing.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:52 | 5056120 Citxmech
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I don't doubt the existence and efforts of the faction that never lets "good crises go to waste" - but you'd have to be some kind of brain damaged idiot to play that game with a Viral Hemorrhagic Fever on a global scale.  A "few million" could quickly turn into "a few billion" with only one or two unfortunate mutations. . .   

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 01:23 | 5057616 in4mayshun
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The elite can only hope

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 05:09 | 5057836 IndyPat
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Be careful that the fire you set for your neighbor doesn't burn your own house down.

Ebola is quite a fire.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:29 | 5055719 Samual Adams
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@ CITxMech    Oh for fuck's sake --- Was Small Pox a Conspiracy against the Native Americans???

Oh wait it was.  I assume you forgot all those Small Pox Blankets so lovenly given to the Native Americans.

Today is the Same shit different year.  Ebola has had a cure and vaccine for a while now.  This shit just doesn't happen by accident.   It's a big fuckin club and you ain't gonna get the vaccine cause you ain't in it.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:47 | 5055817 Citxmech
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Actually, Small Pox among the Native American peoples started its rampage unintentionally about the time when Columbus and his merry band of psychopaths hit the beaches in the Bahamas:

If we accepted your logic, Syphilis is a govt./banker conspiracy against humanity because of Tuskegee.  

Yes, diseases and plagues happen without government intervention.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:27 | 5056280 nmewn
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A voice of sanity in an insane world.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 20:56 | 5056807 Penniless Spectator
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It  is a matter of historical record that the British navy distributed smallpoxed blankets to the indiginous peoples in Nanaimo Vancouver Island British Columbia Canada, on orders of the Admiralty. Biological warfare is as old a empire.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 06:41 | 5057904 nmewn
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His point was that plagues CAN happen naturally without any nefarious government involvement. Most people on this site are anti-big government/nanny-state (including me) but it doesn't mean we're paranoid schizophrenics either.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:34 | 5056045 InflammatoryResponse
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You only have a small problem with thinking small pox was even remotely intentional.


GERM THEORY hadn't even been thought of yet.  nobody knew dink about bacteria etc. at that time.


so that whole story is total Bullshit, WRT planning anything.


Thu, 08/07/2014 - 03:51 | 5057792 ebear
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You don't need Germ Theory to notice that people who come in contact with something touched or worn by a sick person may also become sick themselves.   The chain of reasoning involved there has been around since the ancient Greeks.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:47 | 5055819 balolalo
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Maybe not completely controlled but influenced, used, and manipulated yes.   The first black death bodies were thrown over the wall by Soldiers to besiege cities!   

Biowarfare is an old tactic. 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:06 | 5055914 Herd Redirectio...
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Thas because you were besieging the cities, and that meant you were stuck in a god-awful siege camp, where pestilence ran wild, well before the besieged city usually became pestilential!

So what to do in re: clean-up of corpses?  Get rid of 'em!  Any where will do.  But we've got this nice trebuchet, set-up and ready to go, if you're interested!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 20:33 | 5056729 Lost Word
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Not sure siege camps were worse than walled cities.

Plenty of stories of horrible conditions inside besieged cities.

However, camp following prostitutes may have had some disease effect.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:01 | 5055583 Totentänzerlied
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According to someone or other, because it's not even in earliest clinical trials yet and the company is extremely small (fewer than 10 employees), the supply is extremely limited ... probably not even enough for a full course for the two American patients (who've had a mere two doses each). Oops!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:36 | 5055762 disabledvet
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Can you say "quarantine"???

I mean WTF...we've been fighting a war on terror for twelve years and this is somehow a surprise?

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