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ISIS Marches On (And The Saudis Are Getting Nervous)

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Submitted by Pater Tenebrarum via Acting-Man blog,

Destroying Iraq's Cultural Heritage

The fundamentalist retro-gang that has conquered Northern Iraq has decided it needs to go Taliban on cultural monuments it disapproves of. One of the most recent outrages was the destruction of the tomb of Yunus, better known in the West as the prophet Jonah (yes, the biblical one who spent some time in the belly of a whale). Jonah is one of the prophets revered by both Christians and Muslims, so the motivation is not entirely clear. However, this is by far not the only ancient religious site ISIS has destroyed in the vicinity of Mosul. Reportedly the group has by now destroyed some 30 ancient shrines, churches, mosques and Hussainiyas in the area of Mosul alone. Oddly, this included at least four Sunni mosques, so there appears to be a certain degree of arbitrariness to these actions. Yazidi monuments are of course also on the list of things ISIS destroys whenever an occasion presents itself.

In short, the group is not only killing people that don't conform to its harsh version of Islam, it is also trying to erase all traces of their history and culture. It cares not one whit how old or unique these buildings and monuments are. For instance, the mosque of Yunus was built on an archeological site the oldest parts of which date back to the 8th century BC. In short, there are buildings in Iraq that have survived 2,800 years of upheaval and strife, but they haven't survived the coming of ISIS. Apparently ISIS considers all the shrines and mosques it destroys “places of apostasy”. In the course of its rampage it has also burned the books of the Diyala province's library, so reading is apparently a no-no for ISIS as well.

It should be noted that this rabid interpretation of Sunni Islam is quite a retrogression from Islam as it was originally practiced in the centuries after its founding. The schism between Shi'ites and Sunnites of course goes back almost to the beginning of the Muslim religion. However, although the Muslim rulers of old were expansionist and not at all averse to warfare, were actually relatively tolerant of members of other religions living on their lands.

A tiny part of the traditions established at the time are even preserved by ISIS in a way. It reportedly gives Christians living in the areas of Iraq and Syria it controls the choice between conversion, paying the jizya tax, or death. The payment of this special tax was historically actually not regarded as an injustice, but was rather seen as an attempt to balance the Muslim zakat tax and so to speak create a level playing field. Of course for ISIS it is just another source of revenue.

It is quite ironic that one of the main financial backers of ISIS is finally getting worried a bit in light of all these events:

“Saudi Arabia is seeking help from Pakistan and Egypt to protect its borders and religious sites from attacks by the Islamic State (IS), formerly known as the Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria (ISIS), the International Business Times reported.

 

"The kingdom is calling in favors from Egypt and Pakistan. No one is certain what ISIS has planned, but it's clear a group like this will target Mecca if it can. We expect them to run out of steam, but no one is taking any chances," the International Business Times wrote Sunday citing an adviser to the Saudi government. The jihadist group started a large-scale offensive against Iraq’s Shiite government led by Nouri Maliki in June, aiming to seize Baghdad.

 

Militants have destroyed several prominent religious sites in the Iraqi city of Mosul, some 400 kilometers (nearly 250 miles) north of Baghdad, over the past weeks. The group defended their actions by saying, "The demolition of structures erected above graves is a matter of great religious clarity," according to Agence France-Presse.'

 

Among the levelled sites were some of the main mosques, the Nabi Yunus shrine (Tomb of Jonah) and a shrine to The Prophet Seth. Eleven sites of Christian worship have been destroyed, including the Chaldean archdiocese, as well as the Diyala Province Library, where approximately 1,500 books were burnt.

(emphasis added)

We would add to this that there is no proof that the Saudi government has done anything beyond tolerating that rich private Saudi citizens supported ISIS with donations, but let us apply some logical thinking here. This is an army that has grown from an “estimated 2,000 fighters” to “no-one knows how many fighters” practically overnight. As we have pointed out previously, it has quite a lot of sophisticated equipment at its disposal as well. Not only military equipment, but also things like construction machinery. It runs its own oil and gas fields and even has a kind of propaganda ministry capable of regularly putting out slickly produced recruitment videos. When it was recently reported that the group has taken over the Mosul dam, it was revealed that there are also numerous engineers in its ranks who have previously helped with employing water as a weapon to help its war effort (see also below).

So this is clearly not a fly-by-night operation at all, quite the contrary (for some additional background on this, here is a list of our previous articles on ISIS, or IS as it is now calling itself since it has proclaimed its caliphate, in chronological order:  “ISIS Attempts to Establish Islamist Caliphate” , “The Cheerful, Yet Lethal Prophet”, "Iraq Continues to Unravel and "Islamic Caliphate Proclaimed).

What can one conclude from this fact? That some unknown djihadist with the nom-de-guerre Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi managed to actually create a huge, well-trained and well-equipped army plus an apparatus that has many characteristics of a State, or better said, a well-run vertically integrated military-industrial-religious conglomerate, out of thin air? And every single intelligence agency in the world just happened to 'miss' that this was happening? Doesn't sound very credible, does it?

It seems far more likely that ISIS did in fact receive state support, quite possibly from more than just one state. Probably it was intended as a counterweight to Shi'ite (or Allawite), influence in Iraq and Syria, mainly in order to thwart Iran, resp. lessen its regional influence. Presumably, this abomination has eventually developed a dynamic of its own and has ultimately gotten out of control, big time.

 

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The prophet Yunus Mosque before it was blown up by ISIS. Henceforth, it will forever remain a post card.

(Photo via beirut-today.com / Author unknown)

 

Water as a Weapon

Using water as a weapon in Iraq is not exactly a new idea. Saddam reportedly already considered flooding a large area of Iraq by blasting the Mosul dam so as to entrap the US army, but evidently reconsidered this course (too much damage would have been wrought). What he definitely did do was to divert water from the Southern Iraqi marshes, where Euphrates and Tigris meet – the largest area of natural wetlands in the Middle East. This was done to drive out the so-called Marsh Arabs, nomadic Shi'ites who have lived in the area for centuries. He actually managed to almost completely dry out this unique habitat, poisoning the soil over a vast area, as salts would no longer be washed out. In an astonishing demonstration of nature's persistence, the marshes have almost completely recovered since Saddam's exitus.

Anyway, Saddam was no doubt a fount of rationality and reserved politeness compared to ISIS. Hence recent news that the group had captured the huge Mosul dam was greeted with some trepidation – especially as the dam is already considered an accident waiting to happen, due to long neglected maintenance.

In the meantime it has emerged that Kurdish Peshmerga have apparently managed to hold or retake the Mosul dam, although these reports emanating from the fog of an ongoing war are probably not very reliable. After all, the ISIS takeover of the dam was originally reported by Kurdish forces as well, which incidentally lost three cities and an oil field to ISIS over the very same weekend. One thing is certain, if the ISIS leadership were to prove crazy enough to use the dam to create an artificial flood, it would be a gigantic catastrophe.

 

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An aerial view of the Mosul dam

(Photo © Ali Haidar Khan)

 

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A close up picture of the Mosul dam installations made by the US army corps of engineers in 2006. At the time it was already noted that the rickety structure was in urgent need of renovation. It may not even require sabotage by ISIS for a catastrophic breakdown of the dam to happen.

(Photo © Reuters)

Whether or not ISIS actually controls the dam, it definitely does control large parts of the upper reaches of both Euphrates and Tigris in Northern Iraq. With that it has already control over several major dams, and is presumably in a position to make life difficult for those living downstream. In fact, the New Scientist reported in mid June already that ISIS had apparently captured the Mosul dam (that is the one at “risk of collapse” in the excerpt below):

“Iraq is ancient Mesopotamia, the once-fertile floodplain of the Tigris and Euphrates that cradled the first human civilization. The rivers remain crucial to the farming on which most Iraqis depend, according to a report by the International Centre for Agricultural Research on the Dry Areas, which was once based in Aleppo, Syria, but has now decamped to Amman in Jordan to avoid fighting.

 

ISIS now controls several major dams on the rivers, for instance at Haditha and Samarra. It also holds one 30 kilometers north of Mosul that was built on fragile rock and poses a risk of collapse. It holds at least 8 billion cubic meters of water. In 2003, there were fears Iraqi troops might destroy the dam to wipe out invading forces. US military engineers calculated that the resulting wave would obliterate Mosul and even hit Baghdad.

 

ISIS has already used water as a weapon, in a smaller way. In late April ISIS stopped flow through the relatively small Nuaimiyah dam on the Euphrates in Fallujah, reportedly with the aim of depriving Baghdad and southern Iraq of water. It could also have been to block military approaches to the town.

 

Instead, the river backed up and poured into an irrigation canal, flooding the town of Abu Ghraib and dozens of surrounding villages over 200 square kilometers. Five people died, and 20,000 to 40,000 families fled to Baghdad. 

(emphasis added)

 

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Dams allegedly controlled by ISIS as of mid June.

(Map via plattformbelomonte.blogspot.co.at)

 

As can be seen above, ISIS definitely doesn't shy away from using water as a weapon when it feels that occasion demands it.

 

ISIS Conquers its First Slice of Lebanon

In order to blackmail Lebanon's government into releasing one of its leaders who was recently captured, ISIS recently expanded its conquest into Lebanon as well, capturing the fairly large city of Arsal, in a Sunni majority region near the Syrian border. Arsal houses 40,000 regular residents and 120,000 Syrian refugees, so it is not just some hick town. According to the Wire:

“Militants associated with the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) captured the Lebanese city of Arsal in fighting that began on Friday and continued Monday.

 

According to The Telegraph, a Syrian rebel group set up check-points in the border city but have not yet declared the area as part of the caliphate. In addition to 40,000 residents, there are roughly 120,000 refugees living in Arsal.

 

The conflict broke out after the Lebanese Army arrested Abu Ahmad al-Jumaa, a former commander in the Free Syrian Army who later declared allegiance to ISIS. Officials said they arrested Jumaa because he planned to attack an army outpost.

 

Since the Syrian Uprising began in 2011, an estimated one million refugees have crossed the nearly 250 mile border from Syria into Lebanon, a number expected to hit 1.5 million by the end of 2014 The United Nation's Refugee Agency predicts.

 

The Sunni insurgents said they will leave Arsal if the government releases Jumaa, something Lebanese Prime Minister Tammam Slama flatly rejected on Monday. 

(emphasis added)

National borders haven't stopped ISIS before, and evidently the border between Syria and Lebanon isn't regarded as anything special by it either.  Moreover, this incursion potentially promises a to give it a chance to tussle with Hezbollah, the Shi'ite political party and militant group that predominates in Lebanon. Since its members are apostates in ISIS' book, it probably relishes the opportunity.

 

Lebanon incursion

The Lebanese city of Arsal has been captured by ISIS as well now, so to speak in passing.

(Map via gotnewswire.com)

 

Amazingly, this happened practically concurrently with ISIS' forays into Kurdish held territory, which shows what enormous reach the organization actually has by now. It seems pretty clear that its membership is far larger than the estimated 2000 fighters that were attributed to it as recently as in April or May.

 

Conclusion:

Luckily, there is absolutely nothing to worry about. Not only do the Saudis believe that “ISIS will run out of steam” just before it gets to Mecca (see above), but more importantly, “the US State Department also issued a statement that it was “actively monitoring” the Iraqi situation” (apparently it neglected to “actively monitor” the Lebanese situation though).

What could possibly go wrong?

 

Addendum:  Even More War, Just Around the Corner …

Just in case you thought there wasn't enough bloodshed and war in the world just yet, another old conflict has just broken into the open again, namely the never-ending battle between Azerbaijan and Armenia over the Nagorno-Karabakh enclave.

“Azerbaijan and Armenia on Monday both reported more losses in a sharp escalation of fighting over the South Caucasus region Nagorno-Karabakh, with 18 soldiers now confirmed dead.” 

What the hell is going on we wonder? Is it something in the air? Note that all of this is happening with stock markets still fairly close to their recent all time highs. If the markets decline from here, it will signal a worsening social mood, which as a rule tends to invite even more war.

 

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Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:16 | 5054692 Itchy and Scratchy
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Got all the makings of the best Gay Pride Parade of the summer!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:17 | 5054701 john39
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Emmanual Goldstien wreaking more havoc in the ME i see...

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:22 | 5054726 MeMongo
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ISIS= Tribe invention

Nuff said!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:25 | 5054740 Latina Lover
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So, the Tribe had finally decided to remove their Saudi Allies and take the Oil for themselves.  Got it.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:33 | 5054759 BaBaBouy
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Cograts GWB & Your IRAQ WMD's WAR/Invasion...

You Broke It, We ALL NOW OWN IT, In Perpetuity...

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:39 | 5054781 ZerOhead
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Edward Snowden, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, leader of ISIS, is a MOSSAD intelligence asset – Alex James |

                                 

                                                        ?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:41 | 5054805 Winston Churchill
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Plenty of precedents of double, and triple agents in history.

Maybe the Arabs have finally mastered the CIA, and Mossad at their own game:

The double cross.

The best laid plans of mice ,and men........

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:53 | 5054857 Hugh G Rection
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ISIS you say?

Hmmm,

Wonder how they got ahold of Israeli weapons?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:57 | 5054888 disabledvet
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Sorry 'bout blasting ya the other day. "Just chilling with the Fundermentalists" here.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:00 | 5054902 Hugh G Rection
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Kinda cool of those Wahhabi guys to go along with Israel's strategic objectives in Syria and Iraq right?

CLEAN BREAK

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:11 | 5054964 Herd Redirectio...
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Yeah, I mean, why are their targets everyone BUT Israel?  Hmmm....

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:35 | 5055104 JLee2027
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Because they haven't gotten there yet.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:52 | 5055198 disabledvet
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Exactly.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:25 | 5055352 froze25
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I always thought ISIS was run by the Saudis.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:47 | 5055491 JLee2027
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Everyone has a theory and no one knows.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:53 | 5055529 Muh Raf
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Mo, the Saudis are run by the CIA. Now mossad have created their own rival takfeeri/salafi vassal army and have recruited many of the lads previously on the Saudi payroll. The strategic Israeli objective is to steal the Iraqi oil revenues, now the US troops have pulled out and aren't there to protect the 'reparation' revenues. As usual the jews have united many fractious groups on the promise of a bung once the cash starts rolling. These people need to watch Goodfellas to understand how this will end (ref: the big cash job that De Niro has emotional problems divying up, result he doesn't and his comrades in arms end up 'taking' an early bath)

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:05 | 5055608 JLee2027
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All conjecture no proof. Dismissed.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:16 | 5054985 JohninMK
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Good time to hit SA, most of their top people are in London avoiding the SA heat.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:51 | 5055194 disabledvet
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Hmmm. Don't know. This thing is like the Ebola of Islam here. Might have started outed as something "practicable" but clearly this IS thing is doing what it wants here.

Israel looks to me to have been defeated in Gaza actually. The USA and the West look dead in the water. The only reports I get out of the MSM "anecdotally" (going on many years...touched upon but not explored) are the number of Westerners (former?) streaming into the Middle East to become jihadis.

Pope himself has brought up the issue of large quantities of arms flooding into the Middle East as well. Nice Silverados they're driving around in. Long General Motors?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:43 | 5056084 RichardP
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Israel looks to me to have been defeated in Gaza actually.

Their objective was to destroy the tunnels.  They did.  No defeat there.  So of what defeat do you speak?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:15 | 5054859 ZerOhead
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< Netanyahu

< Obama/Bin Sultan/Netanyahu (AKA the 'triple threat')

Most likely winner of the 2014 Nobel Peace Prize

Netanyahu nominated for the Gaza Peace Campaign

Obama/Bin Sultan/Netanyahu nominated for the Middle East Faith Based Initiative known as ISIS

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:54 | 5054866 NoDebt
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An army of radical Muslims is ripping through middle eastern countries nearly unopposed.  And nobody has any clue where they came from or who funded them?  Bullshit.  Somebody damned well knows.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:13 | 5054928 ZerOhead
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It's such a heinous organization killing indiscriminately and destroying the historic treasures of ALL cultures and religions.

Well organized... armed... and coming out of nowhere. (After 5 yrs in a US war prison and perhaps some time with Mossad... BTW those pictures of Abu Bakr are almost certainly fake))

EVERYONE hates it... but first it has to be officially recognized before any bordering countires can attack it and thus seize the lands of the Islamic Caliphate as their own to the cheers of the International Community. But that's still a ways off.

Perhaps Israel can help the world when the time is right?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:35 | 5055101 813kml
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The most likely scenario, also explains why the US is staying out of things (except for CIA).

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:33 | 5055087 Charles The Ham...
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Let me lay it out....

John McCain funded Free Syrian Army=ISIS=Al Qaeda and most of the Muslim men 18-40 from Britain also half of them from Dearborn MI. John McCain=ISIS. The American Political Establishment position including Obame....

"These guys are killing and destroying all of the things we "morally" couldnt for ten years in 6 months. Send the CIA to help them and get Mossad on the line and make sure they reduce Mecca and Medina to rubble."

Look on the bright side folks, ISIS is doing a fantastic job.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 22:44 | 5057220 The Blank Stare
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I hafta admit, that was kinda funny.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:43 | 5055450 RockRiver
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Edward Snowden, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, leader of ISIS, is a MOSSAD intelligence asset – Alex James |

 

 

How could this guy be alive if this were true and this info is readily available on the web? I am skeptical...

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:02 | 5055597 Muh Raf
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Firstly most of his adherents can't read at all, let alone read english. Secondly the top two layers immediately below him will be in on it and will tell the rank and file that this is a CIA plot to undermine the dear leader. Thirdly, any Muslim accepting this tw*t as Allaah's vicegerent on earth must swear an oath of allegiance to him which immediately becomes a religious duty. Fourthly, he will be sharing the 'spoils of war' with his jamaah (congregation) and no-one is going to turn good money, gold, silver, wenches etc away in areas of such high unemployment and low GDP. I could go on but I'm bored....

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:05 | 5056186 ali-ali-al-qomfri
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just wait till the Corporate roll out no more geographical contexts needed we go right to sponsorships;

Jaba the Piza Hutt

Al-Tacobelle

Sheik-en Fries

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:57 | 5054885 Hugh G Rection
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Yep.

Those bullshit 28 redacted pages will no doubt throw Saudi Arabia under the bus for 9/11.

Remember, the northen portion of SA happens to lay in the path of the Eretz Yisrael Project.

Think those "shocking pages" will discuss Israeli spies caught on 9/11 with truck bombs? Or dual citizens in charge of the criminal coverup and non investigation?

Here's 10 minutes of what the red herring we are about to be force fed wont show.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:39 | 5055117 ZerOhead
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So WHO put them up to this attack on the US?

To be continued...

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 22:28 | 5055376 Hugh G Rection
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It can only be either Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi Arabia...Oooo, maybe Iran!

 

Get the dumb Americans mad at Iran, the Zionists have been itching for that war far too long...

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 19:30 | 5056552 Buck Johnson
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Essentially yes.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:26 | 5054748 TahoeBilly2012
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Hollywood Beyond. It's amazing what a few pallets of $100 bills can do placed in the right hands.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:35 | 5054777 booboo
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"Paging Dr. Frankenstein. Dr FrankenSTEIN. Your monster is loose in the oil patch"

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:27 | 5055051 Sudden Debt
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Relax... We've still got all the gas we need to replace the shortages...

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:54 | 5054863 Postal
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Gay Pride? I thought it was Women's Equality...

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:57 | 5054887 Jack Burton
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What does ISIS do to the 10% of people who on average are gay? I can believe they don't take kindly to homosexual acts.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:03 | 5054908 DoChenRollingBearing
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I thought the percentage was more around 3%, but your question is excellent.  I would bet that you are right... 

Unless what some Americans told me about being stuck in desert one day in Saudi in the 1970s told me once.  Hint: it wasn't pretty, it was barbaric.  So maybe those kinds of acts are not as rare (or unaccepted) as they say...

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:07 | 5055280 tenpanhandle
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Arab sex philosophy:

a Woman for procreation;

a camel out of necessity;

a young boy for love;

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:51 | 5055516 Bwahaha WAGFDSMB
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Thank you for prompting me to go look it up. I remember being told it was 10% back in high school sex ed. But you are correct it's more like 3%. The 10% number probably comes from the Kinsey Reports of 1948 and 1953.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 11:29 | 5059049 Andre
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You're right. I wish I had the link, but the 10% number came from a study of long-term prison inmates.

I should check into this to verify, but that is my recollection.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:54 | 5054986 813kml
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I believe the normal rules are suspended due to anal jihad.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:21 | 5055334 Slave
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10%???? I usually enjoy your posts Jack, but I think it's time for you to turn off the TV.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 19:37 | 5056568 IronForge
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It's more like 2-3%; and BTW, most straight people don't take kindly to homosexual acts done to them - ROTFL!! 

Even with a Survey of Silicon Valley, the number was less than 2%. Many issues, like Sexual Identity Development/Maturity/Confusion/Doubt, Co-dependency/personal boundary , drug-sex addiction, Petrochemical affliction, and Paedophilia/Sexual Imprinting are involved. 

Propaganda and Social Pressure will make some inroads w/ that number in the USA; but no - IMHO, not too many people would associate Corpophilic Sodomy and Dire Effeminite behavior with "Normal, Healthy Sexual Relations". 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:01 | 5054909 Jumbotron
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My son just told me he wants to be a Marine when he graduates next year.

I'm going to show him this article and tell him this is where you are going to die and explain to him why and for what he is going to die for.

And then see if he is so gung ho to be a Marine after that.

Oh....and also show him the article of the Major General who just got shot down by a member of the "Religion of Peace" and who was trained by Marines to be one of the "good" guys.

And then take him on a tour of a V.A. hospital

And then let him read up on Shay's Rebelllion right after the Revolution.

And once again....see if he wants to spill his guts in some god fosaken shit hole for the elites of this country.

 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:07 | 5054923 DoChenRollingBearing
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See if you can get him General Smedley Butler's book too.  War is a Racket.

 

EDIT:

I see that you already may working on getting that book.

 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:13 | 5054972 Herd Redirectio...
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Oh well, Jumbo, I guess your Zionism rubbed off.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:36 | 5055108 Jumbotron
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I wouldn't want him or myself to die for "Zionism" either.

The Zionist can take care of themselves.  I think that after the first Muzzie attack on them in 40's and all the times after has proven that.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:05 | 5054927 Anarchy 99
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and get him a new circle of "friends"

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:47 | 5055177 Jumbotron
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Hard to do when he is surrounded by friends whose dads and moms are attached to one of the two naval bases in town, as well as the Joint Task Force National Guard base and the sub base up the road in GA.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:23 | 5055341 ZerOhead
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Get him into military intelligence somehow... then he can go to the NSA and make big the bucks

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:19 | 5055694 Jumbotron
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Military intelligence as is Central Intelligence.....is an oxymoron.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:20 | 5055698 Muh Raf
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Psst! I make $millions every year from this little known secret which never fails to deliver : http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/tours/scandal/ames.htm

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:10 | 5054954 Sean7k
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Classic!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 19:44 | 5056590 IronForge
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You might want to ask him what he want's to be for the Long Term (Occupation/Skill Set wise); and work accordingly. 

If he's into Law Enforcement, he can join the Police, Coast Guard, Border Patrol, etc.  as alternate Options. 

Make sure he takes the ASVAB (Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery) to figure out which fields his interest/base competency matches, then work from there.

He still may join; but better let him make the best informed decision.  Just let him know it will still be a crap shoot since the World Turns in funny ways.   

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 19:54 | 5056619 Jumbotron
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Thanks.  I think he wants to be a sniper.  And he's a good shot....really good.  But hell's bells.....there's plenty of things to shoot on the farm.  And most of them you can eat.  Humans....not so much.  He's just into guns and the hardware and the zen of marksmanship.    I think I'll try to steer him into gunsmithing.....maybe professional shooting.  There's a couple of gun shops in town.  See if there are any internships or apprenticeships he can sign up for.

I think it's time for him to watch "Platoon", "Black Hawk Down" and "Hamburger Hill"....and a few episodes of "Generation Kill".  See if he thinks that's herioc.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 21:45 | 5056987 IronForge
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Roger that.

It's tough for a Kid with good shooting skills - Recruiters will be scoping out Schools looking for good talent.  I grew up in the Military, so I've been around Marines and Sailors often. I planned to make it Career and did a few years past my Service Obligation 'til the Cold War ended and my Late Father became Ill.

An Flyboy I knew had 2 Sons in the Corps during this "Long War", wiith his Younger Son as a Sniper.  Lot of time out in the wilderness - alone on rations. At least, the civilians aren't spitting on Vets when they return home - they(draft dodgers et. al)  just rip you off like they've been doing to me in Los Angeles.

I can see the concerns Parents would have with this Long War and recently debunked Regime Change Racket that's been going on for years.

Best wishes.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 22:31 | 5057157 Jumbotron
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Never been in the military myself although my old man was Air Force bomber fodder during the Cold War in the '50s up in Fairbanks Alaska.  Even so...I think a Semper Fi is due you from one parent to another.

 

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 11:40 | 5059101 Andre
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"...a member of the "Religion of Peace""

Every government in that part of the world has either been suborned, corrupted, or killed (Mossadeq, Qaddafi) for the better part of 100 years by Western interests.

Maybe it really is a religious war - the "religion of Peace" vs. the religion of oil and money.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:33 | 5055396 rubiconsolutions
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ISIS to Saudi Arabia..."Go ahead and Mecca my day"

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:20 | 5055701 Jumbotron
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Ba-da dump...BOOM....pizzztttt.

Hey...I'll be here all week.  Try the pork.  Tip your waiter.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 18:01 | 5061388 booboo
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Ebola laced hijabs?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:19 | 5054705 q99x2
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Hope those pricks get the poppy fields back from the Kerry-Forbes families.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:32 | 5054762 max2205
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Really hoping that Meca goes....

Let them take it all . Spread thin so we can wipe them out once and for all eternity

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:57 | 5054890 DoChenRollingBearing
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I have wondered about that in the past max2205...

If the Ka'aba (sp?) rock there in Mecca were completely destroyed (obliterated), what would that do to Islam?  Maybe the Shi'ites would not care, but no rock in their holy city, would that matter to muslims?  Sign from Allah?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:58 | 5055566 ebear
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The Law of Unintended Consequences suggests that ISIS may actually bring about the unity of Shia and Sunni Islam in opposition to a common threat.

Someone in a previous thread asked "where is the Muslim reformation?"   I believe this may be the start of it, i.e. a common cause based on the recognition that outside forces are attempting to destroy ALL Islam, not just one sect or another.  Such a movement could receive broad support from Russia and China, so the necessary political and material elements are there - all that's needed is the resolve.

Whether it can happen or not is an open question, but the pieces are definitely falling into place.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:19 | 5054706 ShrNfr
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That's ok, Obama will deal with it after he gets back from vacation in a bit over two weeks. Gotta rest up from all that fundraising and golf ya know.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:22 | 5054719 ekm1
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Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:22 | 5054722 czarangelus
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"Muslims are such animals!" shriek Anglo-American-Zionist Axis rubes, turning a blind eye to the fact that the most vile, most vicious, most tyranical, most megalomanical movements in the Islamic World have all been armed, trained, and funded by the Zionist Axis.

Anyone want to take odds on al Baghdadi having gotten his CIA training during all that time he was a US "prisoner?"

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:29 | 5054755 john39
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certainly he is someone's asset....  the U.S. and/or Israel...   this angle has gotten some discussion around the web:

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/isis-leader-jew-conspiracy-theory-claims-al-bag...

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:37 | 5055114 JLee2027
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More Joo hating. 

Is there actually anything else you post about?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:23 | 5055339 Slave
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More Jew loving.

Is there actually anything else you post about?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:50 | 5055501 JLee2027
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Obviously you don't read much.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:02 | 5054912 Jack Burton
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One of Washington DC's greatest crimes of the 21st century, and London's as well, is the arming, training and funding of radical Jihad in hopes of bring down Syria. Instead, these US puppets have gone full retard and are spreading like cancer. I think the Congress and Obama should be on the list of those who "Support Terrorism". Thus they are in violation of the Patriot Act and subject to arrest, transport to secret torture prisons in Poland, and after they duely confess, a trip to Gitmo for military tribunal and a firing squad. If we lived in a world where all laws pertained equally, then all of Obama's White House, State department, CIA and Congress would be arrested as proven terrorists.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:07 | 5055277 JLee2027
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There's no proof of that Jack

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:23 | 5055343 Slave
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But there's plenty of proof that you're a troll.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:28 | 5055372 JLee2027
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Even more proof you have nothing to say.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:37 | 5055416 espirit
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Uh Huh.  Evah heard of Charlie Wilson?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:50 | 5055506 JLee2027
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He's dead. I guess you didn't know that.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:42 | 5055797 Rusty Shorts
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JESUS JACKLEG CHRIST, AIN'T YOU GOT ANYTHING BETTER TO DO THAN FUCK UP ZH THREADS??? FUCKING MORON GO POUND SAND!!!!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:53 | 5055848 JLee2027
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It's a message board. Chill out.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:26 | 5055353 ZerOhead
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I agree... I think they are still under Mossad control.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 20:17 | 5056682 Seeing Red
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Regardless of how it started, it appears to have become an organic movement.  Even if one thinks certain people deserve some payback (or whatever), I worry how far this will expand -- at some point the momentum will cross a theshold and reach "critical mass".

Just my gut feeling ... sorry no links or proof.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:23 | 5054725 Itchy and Scratchy
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Yet another major US Foreign Policy achievement!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:23 | 5054732 observer007
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MH17:

 

The Malaysian Boeing plane that crashed in eastern Ukraine in mid-July, could have been brought down by an air-to-air missile and a cannon of the Su-25 fighter that had been “shadowing it,” The New Straits Times reported on Wednesday citing experts.

 MH17 Brought Down by Air-to-Air Missile, Finished Off by 30-mm Cannon, Experts Allege

latest:

http://tersee.com/#!q=mh17&t=text

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:56 | 5054868 jomama
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the SU-25 can't reach the altitude (max 23,000 feet), nor could it catch a 777.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t1.0-9/10511323_1...

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:06 | 5054933 Jack Burton
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Wrong! It can do just that. But only for a short period be at that altitude and can catch the 777 IF it is subject to proper ground control. Two planes do not race eachother in the air. The SU-25 would be in a postion due to air control to allow it to intercept. This is the basis of fighter control. Notice the 777 was told to drop 2-3 thousand feet in altitude over the war zone and to fly directly over the war zone.

Again. For a short period an SU-25 can rise to that altitude, this is fact. Given proper radar ground vectoring, it can approach a 777 with ease. Fact.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:33 | 5055212 ZerOhead
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I did quite a bit of checking into the Su-25. It has a non-pressurized cabin so normal operational flight ceiling for a pilot without oxygen is 23,000 feet. With oxygen ANY Su-25 can operate to 33,000 feet and NEW Su-25's are good to 40,000 feet.

That said it is still an underpowered ground attack aircraft. I doubt that the precise and sustained 30mm cannon fire to the cockpit could have been done by a head-on attack from an Su-25. The closing velocities of two aircraft are just too fast to get the amount of damage we see on the left hand side of the cockpit plus there is more damage to the cockpit windows on the front. You can actually see the linear strafing tracks from the bullet fire on many of the pictures... check it out  >  o   o   o   o   o   o

Top left and diagonal down on this one... 

http://www.sott.net/image/s9/197481/full/cockpit2.jpg

Also across the bottom of the window at the flight deck/cockpit wreckage though not as good view here as other pics...

http://acloserlookonsyria.shoutwiki.com/wiki/File:MH17_flight_deck.jpg


2 aircraft could perhaps do it or an aircraft (Su-25 or other) with an independantly operated targeting cannon (vs. fixed mounting) that could sustain fire from alongside the 777 or perhaps a modified rear gunner set up. That way you just fly 100 feet or so ahead of the 777 and gun the shit out it until the 777 veers away... (as the flight track suggests it did BTW...)

That or a stealth aircraft since we know there may have been some within 1,000 km from planned joint miltary operations.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:11 | 5054960 Jack Burton
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Fact: The Sukhoi Su-25 close-air support aircraft (NATO Frogfoot) has a maximum service ceiling of about 25,000 feet (7,620 meters). It has an internally mounted 30mm cannon for anti-armor work,

Ukie nut jobs thought they had a Russian commercial jet in their sights. Or that is the best explaination. The worst would be Ukie nut jobs knew this was a foreign 777 and shot it down as provocation.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:12 | 5054970 JohninMK
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Keep up,

The problem is oxygen for the pilot as the cockpit is not pressurised.

Give the pilot an oxygen mask (gets in the way on ground attack) and it is OK up to 30-33k feet.

This is all over the web.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:08 | 5054938 Jack Burton
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The wreckage is filled with perfect 30mm cannon shell holes. BUK missiles are not armed with a 30mm cannon. Thus, only the SU-25 could have put those shells through this plane. FACT!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:24 | 5054733 IridiumRebel
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"What the hell is going on we wonder? Is it something in the air? Note that all of this is happening with stock markets still fairly close to their recent all time highs. If the markets decline from here, it will signal a worsening social mood, which as a rule tends to invite even more war."

 

 

This.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:24 | 5054734 Fíréan
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Actively manipulating the situation would as believable too, wouldn't it ?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:25 | 5054738 pragmatic hobo
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i thought isis was funded by saudi and usa to punish the iraqis for daring to elect shiite government?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:29 | 5054753 Kirk2NCC1701
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[1] If you want to know who controls/owns you, find out whom you may not criticize publicly.

[2] If you want to know who truly owns/sponsors a Jihadist group, find out whom they will not attack.

All else is Theater, Distraction & Action, and BS -- to confuse and calm the Sheeple.  Questions?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:30 | 5054760 NoWayJose
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The Christian God -- "I AM"

The Muslim God --  "I IS"

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:59 | 5055239 Kirk2NCC1701
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The Hebrew God: "I AM".  The Muslim God: "I IS"

The Christian God: "I WILL" ( I will it.  I will return.)

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:58 | 5055560 Keyser
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Imagine no religion, it's easy if you try...

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:31 | 5054763 edifice
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Religion is a cancer on the host of human experience. It must end.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:43 | 5054810 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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Religion is a disease to humanity.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:49 | 5055123 25or6to4
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@ Eirik
You mean like the disease of big government worship and multiculturalism?

Edit: Why it seems just like this past Sunday that you posted a comment calling the two CHRISTIAN doctors who contracted the Ebola virus heros for their work in africa. If I remember correctly that comment gathered 100+ up votes for you. Did you forget that you hate conservative Christians that day?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:03 | 5055584 Keyser
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It appears from the down-votes that there are still many ZH'ers that hold tight to their concept of a great havenly fairy that looks out for you... Odd, considering that this same group who affirms that government / central planners rule the world today... Who do you think came before big government? 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:02 | 5054914 StandardDeviant
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Cancer's not contagious.  More like Ebola, I'd say.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:32 | 5054767 NoWayJose
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What is really scary here is that these are serious and major infrastructure assets -- and the Iraqi Army is unable to take them back?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:52 | 5054855 NoDebt
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The Iraqi army was gutted of all it's talent and morale by Malaki in his quest to purge Sunis from any position where they might threaten his hold on power (like the military).  Probably many of them are fighting FOR ISIS now.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:17 | 5054993 Canucklehead
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The Iraqi army never had any talent.  They fought Iran to a draw during the 1980's.  Whoop-dee-doo.

The Iraq Army lasted 100 hours in the 1990's.

The Iraq Army was disbanded in the 2000's.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:32 | 5054769 Reaper
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The Wahhabi/Obama's Frankenstein is loose.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:03 | 5055602 Keyser
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Perhaps it will eat it's master, beginning with SA and Qatar...

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:34 | 5054770 nosoeawe
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If ISIS catches ebola do they qualify as a WMD?

 

Signed,

Yellen the Financial Wicked Witch of the West

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:36 | 5054772 Son of Captain Nemo
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Summer in "Ramstein"...

May be an opportune moment for President Barry to interrupt his golf game to tell the World that Israel is closing all it's embassies "again" like it announced in March and that he's more worried about a nuclear bomb going off in Manhattan than starting WWIII with Russia?...

Wonder if Germany is getting ready to dump some more USD along with the "Shekels" and B.B. is telling her that if she does that before he can "crash" the rest of the Middle East Germany will be getting an early Xmas present if they attempt to leave the "Union" early...

Bet Germany wishes they had thrown the U.S. and it's military bases out after the 1989 celebration with the "Wall"!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:34 | 5054774 yrbmegr
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"citing an adviser to the Saudi government" who does not know what the Saudi government is up to.  I wouldn't put much stock in a comment from an adviser to the Saudi government.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:34 | 5054776 Anarchy 99
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"paying the jiz ya tax"........did I read this right?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:37 | 5054786 atomicwasted
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It's pretty clear to me that the point of ISIS is to fight the Shiites - both Hezbollah and Iran.  It provides cover for war against Iran and it may lead to Iran/Iraq War III, which our rulers would love to see.  It's also convenient cover in case someone in the military-intelligence complex gets the bright idea to blow up Mecca, such as during the pilgrimage.  

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:37 | 5054791 LeisureSmith
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If the Saudis were really under threat from IS or Isis or whatever this loosely affiliated group of misguided youth mercs and spys calls them selves this month..... the Saudis have airpower out the ass and mouth courtesy of good ol uncle Sam. If the planes work when they are needed is another matter.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:07 | 5056196 yrbmegr
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The Saudis run ISIS.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:38 | 5054794 tony wilson
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can you smell it

this much we nose

i smell frank kitson pseudo gangs

i smell tavistock mi6 stink

i smell cia

above all

israeli zionist satanic tamudic jews

just smellin and sayin

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:44 | 5054814 Frostfan1
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Nobody gives a shit what you think when the fact it's rainy, windy, cloudy, sunny, light or dark is a CIA, Israeli Zionist Jew plot.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:52 | 5054850 tony wilson
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nobody gives a shit about tony tis true moshe.

but i care about you frostie my little circumsized kosher prick.

i really do

i want to hold you and squeeze you and whisper in your waxy ears isaac it will be ok it will be ok.

just because you worship satan frostie i can still be concerned about your damnable soul.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:04 | 5054922 StandardDeviant
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Mate, you've got more issues than Vogue.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:31 | 5055080 Son of Captain Nemo
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Mate, you've got more issues than Vogue....

Hadar is that you?....

I think we just found 2nd Lt. Goldin!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:55 | 5055221 Kirk2NCC1701
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"Mate, you've got more issues than Vogue...."

Now THAT's funny!  Permission to use it?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:02 | 5055258 Son of Captain Nemo
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Permission granted 'Kirk'

I just want the Leftenant to know that his "roots" in England are secure and that he shouldn't pay any attention to the bad press his adopted Country is taking over the annihilation of all those brown people that inhabit the open air prison he helps control!

Mother England and more importantly the Rothschild family is with you Lt. Goldin and believe in what you are doing "All The Way"!...

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:39 | 5055439 Duffy
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speak for your zionist troll cunt self, Frosty. Tony is a damned poet.

 

He's also correct - Israel/Zionists are quite possibly behind ISIL - which likely also means CIA, Saudi and Turkey and Qatar - but who knows.

 

What does seem virtually certain is ISIS/ISIL has significant intelligence and funding from a western state with the cash and disregard for human life to back a proxy terror force to facilitate the break-up of Syria and Iraq, as per the Oded Yinon/PNAC line of plans. 

Fringe benefit is preventing certain pipelines.

All of which points to Israel.

 

So does your predictable, cunty, whining.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:51 | 5054847 Son of Captain Nemo
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"israeli zionist satanic tamudic jews

just smellin and sayin"...

"."

TW

Beautifully said as per your usual.  I've gotten to the stage in the crisis called the United States these past 13 years that if I have to be destroyed by the "monster" I created as in the movie Prometheus -I'm ready to kill it before it kills me and everyone else!

Wonder if B.B. has a jaw with incisors that can pop out like in the movie along with his "horns"?!!!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:39 | 5054798 smacker
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ISIS = Cultural Revolution II.

China's Mao was the first.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:41 | 5054800 Jackagain
Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:40 | 5054801 oklaboy
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let the Shittites and Sucksunnis kill each other, and when it its almost over, the Izzie will finish them off.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:46 | 5054804 Anarchy 99
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and least we forget:

“Leaks (snowden) revealed that “Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi took an intensive military training for a whole year in the hands of Mossad, besides courses in theology and master the art of speech

yes THAT Mossad.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:43 | 5054812 Atomizer
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Pakistan ISI has a agreement with Saudi to protect the oil fields. Most of you forgot the US Drone attacks. Just like Hamas protects Palestinian. 

Pakistan has nuclear war heads to protect the cheap oil partnership. If this bullshit report is coming from Israel, they will end up as a glass parking lot. 

BIBI, you just need to stop. Being a sociopath is not going to win compromise. 

When you fuck with the Sandi's, you're screwing with the petrodollar. Pakistan will send nuclear bombing. What fucking diplomacy school did you attend BIBI?

Jewish Holocaust Community College? What a great Kike we have to look upon as a genocide role model. 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:11 | 5054959 Canucklehead
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Pakistan has no friends.  If they launched a nuclear missle, I suspect many countries would launch against them.  The Paki nuclear missle program is not known for quality and accuracy.  It's best to shoot back before you determine whether their missle launch is accurately aimed at someone other than you.

The Saudis could not know with any degree of confidence whether the Paki missles will hit their tactical target in Saudi Arabia, or impact in a Saudi City or military installation.

The end result is Pakistan would be glass.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:15 | 5054982 Atomizer
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My down vote is someone who is sheltering the Zionist regime. We don't care, you'll be exposed for stealing billions of US Taxpayers blood money to continue supply and demand reports so Wall Street and S&P continues to kill innocent people for profits. 

How does it feel to be a war criminal baking a Federal Reserve Quantitative Easing Progressives Program? 

Bet you thought it was all about swaying the American population into a European Union and United States of America Financial Union. 

Bet you haven't figured that out. The superhighway and North America Union is based on opening the borders. Ask former PM Harper. The northern extention was less volatile. 

United States of America is going to become an extension of Brussels. 

We warned you, you have to help reverse the plan. 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:37 | 5055086 Atomizer
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Another lying piece of shit. We arn't Facebook or Twitter. Down thumbing means you're pissing your pants.

The truth will be exposed fuck sticks. The syopaths have a bounty on their heads. Let's just sit back and watch who gets exposed on fraud, killing and tied into the three branches of United States of America Law branches. That dual passport will not help. 

Thanks to the DHS and Interpol. If you decide to payoff the agencies, you become the next bounty hunting game to get caught in corruption. 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:44 | 5054818 Little Boomer
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The heat is just too much for these folks.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:47 | 5054826 tony wilson
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“Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi how many synagogues has he blown up.

how many innocent jews has he killed

how many zionist  cities has he levelled.

interesting no

 

who is he helping here the uk,israel and the usa yes

 

as for saudi that is cover for his monies come from jewish qatar and the old jewish house of saud

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:47 | 5054827 Jack Burton
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Iraq was the home of a founding civilization built around large scale farming. Cities feed off of the vast irrigated fields. Thos worked for centuries, but the civilization did fall, it fell when the centuries of irrigation finally degraded the fields with salt and other chemicals building up in the soil. When too many fields were wasted by this then the scale of civilization declined to fit the much smaller capacity of left over lands to produce food. The great cities fell. It was simple overuse of a resource, and the people had no idea that their practices would destory fertility. A lesson countless civilizations have learned to their ruin. Modern man, most civilized people who live in the rich west are convinced as an article of faith that this time is different. We are too smart and too endowed by our god to have to worry that our practices could or ever would destory the foundations of our energy and land intensive life style. Many, if not most, will argue the point into the ground that man is not capable of destroying air, land or water. This is wrong, a very wrong idea. Faith is one thing, physics is another. Physics and chemistry are what makes all the world we live in, their laws do not care about religion or political beliefs. The types who inhabit congress and corporate board rooms believe in their unlimited powers, I may live long enough to see them brought down in spectacular fashion, if not, I can leave this world assured that soon enough we will face Iraq's ancient fate.

Saudi Arabia is the major funder of radical Islam. The USA uses Saudi as a proxy to run radical Islam and Jihad as an arm of US foreign policy. This is a bad idea, but Washington is a whore house of greed and stupidity. Their lust for power and fiat money seems to be insatiable. My guess is, Washington will cause the destruction of our modern world, before collaspe due to resource and atmosphere  degradation sees our life style out the door.

If asked where the heart of evil exists in this world, I can answer in my opinion it is located in Washington DC, Israeli and Saudi Arabia. These three crime partners are out of control and running riot across the world stage.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:15 | 5054983 DoChenRollingBearing
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Iraq also is the home of Chaldean Christians and Assyrian Christians (they have been there since some +/- 200 AD).  They are under threat of genocide by the Islamic State.

Convert to Islam, pay the Jizya Tax, or die.  Swell guys IS.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:46 | 5055162 Atomizer
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Hello Sir, hope you're doing well. This is a grand scale pissing match, not small. It will get defused. Takes time. 

Don't worry, you and other Americans are in good hands. Winks. 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:50 | 5055190 Anarchy 99
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Excellent, however you need to add London to your list.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:30 | 5055382 Jackagain
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And the Vatican

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:35 | 5055757 luckystars
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Post of the decade!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:46 | 5054830 Goldbugger
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It is the very doom of her prototype: the waters on which she sits, "the waters of Euphrates, shall be dried up that the way of the kings of the East may be prepared" (Rev. 16:12)

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:22 | 5055017 The Phallic Crusader
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Revelation was about 1st century CE Rome and its treatment of Christian-Jews.

It was not and is not "prophecy" about the yet-to-come.

Evangelicals and Southern Baptists and the Scoffield Suckers are just easily duped and easily led - apparently because they don't ever actually read the NT, or the OT as a whole - satisfied to cherry-pick in accordance with the footnotes planted there by anti-supercessionist editors.

 

Of course - all religion and religious texts are insidious nonsense.  But it's a different level of stupidity to claim that a book or quote which definitely means one thing means something else.

 

Revelation describes the past, not the future.  For gnostics - it describes the inner turmoil of the soul.  Or some shit like that.

 

 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:22 | 5055335 Seek_Truth
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That is referred to as preterism- the interpretation of events that have already occurred.

By no means have most of the events described in Revelation occurred yet- the need for futurism in interpreting those events is absolutely necessary.

In fact, the fulfillment of the opening of the sixth seal (Revelation 6:12) is strongly anticipated next spring.

That prophecy is a repetition of signs of the end found in the Gospels (Matthew, Luke) and elsewhere in the Bible- Joel for instance. Similar parallels are found in Daniel and other books.

The fact that the associated signs of the end have not occurred in preterist interpretations would render those interpretations null and void.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:28 | 5055364 Jackagain
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I agree....only chapters 2-3 have occured by now. 

" Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, AND the things which will take place after this." Rev. 1:19

Both future and what occured soon thereafter.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:58 | 5054835 pashley1411
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Speaking from my childhood, I just love history when it gets to the "moving arrows" stage.

Someone send a memo to D.C. that the Middle East Sunni-CIA army, colloquially known as "IS", is doing just fine and doesn't need any more arms/rocket fuel?

btw, Jack Burton above is spot on.    Reason why our traitor/ex-presidents get $50,000+ fees for speaking engagements which are so profound that there is no reason to bother recording them.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:56 | 5054874 Psquared
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At first they were somewhat benevolent, but that seems to have changed. They will go too far and too fast and stretch themselves too thin. Within a year their brutality will cause a collapse from within.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:58 | 5054889 Smegley Wanxalot
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So when will Nuland show up to walk among the ISIS folk and give them their danishes?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:59 | 5054901 Joebloinvestor
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Saudi Arabia is now on the boomerang return flight.

Everything was ok as long as the kingdom was not threatened.

Watch for ebola infected terrorists.

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