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More Warmongering: US Secretary Of Defense, NATO Both Say Threat Of Russian Incursion A "Reality"

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On the heels of yesterday's comments from Poland's Sikorski, NATO has confirmed there's a risk of Russia sending troops into Ukraine under the 'pretext' of a humanitarian or peacekeeping mission. "We're not going to guess what’s on Russia’s mind, but we can see what Russia is doing on the ground - and that is of great concern," a NATO spokesperson warned, adding, "this is a dangerous situation." Then US SecDef Hagel added, "the threat of Russian incursion in Ukraine is a reality." Russia's response to this warmongering (as Ukraine appears desperate to instigate something before the money runs out) is to blast the disinformation, "reports of troop buildups near the Ukraine border are groundless." It appears we are going to need more YouTube clips...

 

US Secretary of Defense Hagel is chiming in...

  • *HAGEL SAYS THREAT OF RUSSIAN INCURSION IN UKRAINE IS `REALITY'
  • *HAGEL SEES 'POSSIBILITY' OF RUSSIAN TROOPS ENTERING UKRAINE

And as Bloomberg reports, NATO sees incursion risk on apparent troop buildup...

NATO said there’s a risk of Russia sending troops into Ukraine under the “pretext” of a humanitarian or peacekeeping mission after President Vladimir Putin massed soldiers on his country’s western border.

 

“We’re not going to guess what’s on Russia’s mind, but we can see what Russia is doing on the ground -- and that is of great concern,” Oana Lungescu, a spokeswoman for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, said by e-mail today. “The latest Russian military buildup further escalates the situation and undermines efforts aimed at finding a diplomatic solution to the crisis. This is a dangerous situation.”

 

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“Putin will likely aim at a fig leaf policy with an incursion under the guise of a peacekeeping operation,” Amanda Paul, an analyst at the European Policy Centre in Brussels, wrote in an e-mail. “As other conflicts in the former Soviet Union have shown, once there is a Russian military presence it usually never leaves.”

On the heels of yesterday's comments from Poland...

Poland has “reason to believe” that the risk of an incursion is “greater than a few days ago,” Prime Minister Donald Tusk told reporters in Warsaw today. His foreign minister, Radoslaw Sikorski, yesterday said that any incursion would be under the guise of a peacekeeping operation.

The Germans are not buying NATO's perspective...

“I cannot believe Russia would attack Ukraine, which would worsen the situation further and deepen the conflict with the West,” Meister said by phone today. “I don’t see signs for invasion. In fact, Russia has tried to bring in some distance from the separatists.”

Russia's response:

  • *RUSSIA SAYS REPORTS OF ARMY BUILDUP NEAR BORDER GROUNDLESS: IFX
  • *INTERFAX CITES RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINISTRY ON MILITARY BUILDUP
  • *PENTAGON, NATO STATEMENTS ON BORDER BUILDUP DISINFORMATION: IFX

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We are sure evidence will be forthcoming...

 

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Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:15 | 5053676 Bill of Rights
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Cash for Clunkers cost automakers big money

Cash for Corollas: When Stimulus Reduces Spending

Cash for Clunkers was a 2009 economic stimulus program aimed at increasing new vehicle spending by subsidizing the replacement of older vehicles. Using a regression discontinuity design, we show the increase in sales during the two month program was completely offset during the following seven to nine months, consistent with previous research. However, we also find the program's fuel efficiency restrictions induced households to purchase more fuel efficient but less expensive vehicles, thereby reducing industry revenues by three billion dollars over the entire nine to eleven month period. This highlights the conflict between the stimulus and environmental objectives of the policy.

Assessing the study, The Wall Street Journal notes: Stimulus for Clunkers - WSJ

Extrapolated nationally, auto revenues may have plunged by more than what the government spent.

Good intentions, coupled with unsound economic tinkering, generally fails to achieve the intended results.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:17 | 5053689 Uncle Remus
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Non sequitur much?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:21 | 5053712 power steering
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I found his argument compelling but as you note, misplaced.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:23 | 5053729 Arius
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germans not buying it ... the polish are selling it

ABC would be proud of you guys .... keep it up!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:27 | 5053745 max2205
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BTFD has happened....now for some follow through

BTFD MOTHERFUCKERS!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:38 | 5053832 NotApplicable
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I'm really getting tired of reading about abstractions such as NATO "saying" anything. Last I checked, only humans had the capacity for speech, not some fucking collective.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:46 | 5053869 Bossman1967
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gotta remember our prez is all about the collective. and by the time this dick head is done we need some collective salvation. part of me wishes Putan show Obama what a real pair of balls look like but I forget Micheal did that last night! Fore

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:10 | 5053999 Latina Lover
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Quoting "NATO said there’s a risk of Russia sending troops into Ukraine under the “pretext” of a humanitarian or peacekeeping mission"

NATO/USSA always use false humanitarian pretexts to invade other countries, so that they cannot imagine a scenario where Russia intervenes to save lives, instead of killing innocents and stealing their resources for profits.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 12:21 | 5054416 strannick
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Course with the Ukes burning people alive in buildings like they did in Odessa, I would say Russia's concerns are legit.

Putin/Paul 2016

 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 12:51 | 5054571 Oracle 911
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The USSA is playing chicken with a high speed freight train. The Russians are the high speed freight train.

Either the USSA will lose its face or we will have the hot phase of the WWIII.

Please note: The WWIII is already on, but it is mainly informational, financial and economical war.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:45 | 5054823 Titus
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FUCK YOU VICTORIA NUDELMAN!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 12:42 | 5054536 Urban Roman
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Propaganda 101 --

Accuse the other party of whatever you're doing, and blame them for it.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 15:16 | 5055309 Kirk2NCC1701
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If I were Putin, I'd start the PR campaign on Western Media and at the UN, that...

1. The UN must send in UN Blue Helmets, to avert humanitarian catastrophe and genocide (Ukrainians killing Russians in Ukraine), while also destroying Infrastructure and Mfg.

2. While maintaining and escalating (1), plan for inevitable "Russian Blue Helmets" (literally!) to step in, until the UN gets its act together and does what it is supposed to do.

3. #2 above gives Russia the Diplomatic Cover + PR Cover it will need, to prevent the US from escalating the conflict into a NATO/Russia conflict.  The US would dearly love to do this, to prevent (a) Europe from pivoting toward Asia, and (b) Delay/front-run the USD's demise as the GRC (given the escalating de-Dollarization). 

If the US were to succeed in its escalation, it is not the US that would lose.  Nor would Israel or KSA.  Rather, it is Europe, Russia and Ukraine who would lose, and the Eurasian alliance would stall.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 19:32 | 5056559 StychoKiller
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NATO/USA/UK are trying to play "Dominance and Submission", but Putin is playing "Tease and Denial"!  Sorry, no "clouds and rain" just yet!  :>D

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:52 | 5053911 general ambivalent
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You mean BTMH17WWMH3704WWIII!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:55 | 5054283 LibertyBear
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There will be no Russian invasion of Ukraine. The Federation already has the most land and does not need anymore. Crimea was an exception because of the warm-water port. Right now, Russia is trying to build a pipe-line completely around Ukraine. I think they have no interest being entangled with Ukraine at all.

 

See below from the Enemy of the State himself:

 

“When the Bolsheviks took power in Russia in 1917, they had given

little thought to a future Soviet foreign policy, for they were convinced

that Communist revolution would soon follow in the advanced industrial

countries of Western Europe. When such hopes were dashed after the end

of World War I, Lenin and his fellow Bolsheviks adopted the theory of

“peaceful coexistence” as the basic foreign policy for a Communist State.

The idea was this: as the first successful Communist movement, Soviet

Russia would serve as a beacon for and supporter of other Communist

parties throughout the world. But the Soviet State qua State would devote

itself to peaceful relations with all other countries, and would not attempt

to export communism through inter-State warfare. The idea here was not

just to follow Marxist-Leninist theory, but was the highly practical course

of holding the survival of the existing Communist State as the foremost

goal of foreign policy: that is, never to endanger the Soviet State by

courting inter-State warfare. Other countries would be expected to become

Communist by their own internal processes.”

 

 

Murray Rothbard, For A New Liberty, p. 290

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:28 | 5053759 pods
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Hey Chuck, go choke on a bag of dicks you asshat.

None of the US's GD business what Russia does in Russia.

You MIC boys have worn out your welcome.  Only knuckledragging mouthbreathers fall for that shit anymore. Don't believe me?

Why not insitute a draft for the next war then?  Because you fucks know that those draft card burning parties will be seen from space.

Maybe get that neocon Nudelman to send some more USAID over?  
Or maybe Psaki on all fours for the Uke troops might help your war effort?

pods 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:56 | 5053934 Utah_Get_Me_2
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Spox does have quite the set of knockers on her.. Paint her on the front of a Soviet era APC and Ukrainian troop morale will be at all time highs. They'll be committing war crimes by the tens of thousands.   

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:01 | 5053963 Chief KnocAHoma
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Pods,

There is a lot of truth in what you speak. As a conservative, I find it interesting that the polling data pumped by Chuck Toad this morning highlighted the differences in the two US parties.

That asshat should have been highlighting the one issue that red and blue agree on.

"Focus more on our own internal problems." That butt wipe missed a great opportunity, but I guess friction sells.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:39 | 5054797 Reference Variable
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Can't you taste how bad they need a war? They don't want it, they need it. It's essential to the system's survival.

When it finally happens I expect anal exams, internet licenses, and total command control economy all the name of freedom.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:19 | 5054060 Freddie
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It might be nice if the Pentagon and US Military stood up for the American people and defended The Constitution from the criminals in DC and their oligarch buddies.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:23 | 5053721 LawsofPhysics
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"Cash for Clunkers cost taxpayers big money"  - fixed it for you asshat.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:46 | 5053862 Two dogs
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Seems the Russians have their own Cash for Clunkers scheme. Just caught the ad on R-FUKU about Honest Ivan's on the border. Seems they got a great trade-in offer on trashed fighting vehicles.  Upgrade to the latest model,  fully-loaded ; 12mths unlimited gas and ammo thrown in. Includes courtesy-tank while your waiting for yours to be won-back,  repaired or replaced. No downpayment, 0% finance and the rest of your life to pay it off.  And,  for anyone who thinks life may be too short to pay off a tank-loan,  they can even tag-on life cover.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:16 | 5053682 power steering
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MH17 a false flag by Ukraine

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:54 | 5053922 general ambivalent
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You mean USNATO. There is no Ukraine.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:05 | 5053982 IANAE
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...interesting, appears no daily press briefing today by either WH or State Dept.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:11 | 5054014 Utah_Get_Me_2
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Yet..

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 12:53 | 5054583 Freddie
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You must mean ZATO or Zio-NATO.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:17 | 5053684 Max Damage
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Don't murder civilians and Russia has no excuse to invade does it Obummer.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:21 | 5053717 Winston Churchill
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Oh please, like facts matter.

TPTB want war, what else is there to say. Until they become the powers that were , war

is going to be what we get.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:25 | 5053742 the not so migh...
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they need a distraction big time,  i hope russia does not help them get one.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:19 | 5053696 FieldingMellish
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Given those poll results on Putin's ratings in the US, it appears the govt's abilities to shape public opinion is well and truly alive. War is on the near horizon.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 12:02 | 5054321 froze25
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With the amount of Demonisation that is happening in the US Media of Putin and Russia, I fear that you are right.  That is the normal first steps before a conflict to drum up public support.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 12:51 | 5054570 agent default
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Wait until the body bags arrive from the new Eastern Front NATO wants to create and see what happens to public support.  Also, if you want to fight a war with Russia, you will need plenty of troops, as in conscription plenty of troops.  That will definitely get public support going.  Once something real happens, and the US population realizes this is not Iraq, public support will crumble.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:19 | 5053701 daemon
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" It appears we are going to need more YouTube clips... "

Which I won't spend time watching..... even at twice the normal speed.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:20 | 5053711 Meat Hammer
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U.S. Secretary of Offense

Fixed it for you, Tylers.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:23 | 5053727 Winston Churchill
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I peferred it when they called it the War Dept., much more honest.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:29 | 5053766 Urban Redneck
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They also much better at winning wars, as opposed to defending their alotted share of government takings.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:15 | 5054029 JohninMK
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Difficult to think of a fighting war that the US has won and left in peace since WW2.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:04 | 5053980 813kml
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"Gentlemen. You can't fight in here, this is the War Room!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAeqVGP-GPM

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:10 | 5054013 Emergency Ward
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Seckatary o' War or the War Minister.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:21 | 5053718 luckylongshot
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Russia knows the US wants war so badly it has already spent $5 billion funding the Nazi coup in the Ukraine and has falsified almost everything it passes onto its MSM about this issue. Russia also knows that the reason for this is a desperate attempt to save the role of the USD as world reserve currency. For these reasons it is highly inlikely that Russia will do anything to stop the US funded murder of innocent Ukrainians.                            

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:28 | 5053757 Chupacabra-322
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What else can be said. Spot on,

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:05 | 5053984 ForWhomTheTollBuilds
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This may not be very helpful since it cannot be verified, but as long as the seperatists are "winning" or at least holding their own (which is what Im seeing online), there is really no reason for Russia to overtly cross the border in anything that looks like an invasion.   Following this train of thought, the US must, *must* goad Russia into doing something that gives them an excuse to do what they now accuse Russia of.  If Russia will not do so, then we consider simply saying they did so we can respond in kind.

 

The only thing stopping them is German opinion, as always.  It was interesting to see the media in the west crowing about the "huge damage" being done to the German/Russia relationship over the airline incident.  This is a common thread Ive noticed in blogs vs MSM over the last years.  The MSM refuses to acknowlege something important only to give it the "well, duh..." treatment much later.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:51 | 5054254 BolanosGhost
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I think you're right about Germany being the linchpin here. Germany knows that being joint and several with the rest of the EU, which is greatly dependent on Russian gas, means that having the gas turned off would be disaster for its own economy.

And Putin's just calling NATO's facade of strength and pontification...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqVbewj-6Q0

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 14:11 | 5054958 germanski
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North Stream can not only supply 100 % of the German demand of 42 Mio cubic feet but can provide additional 12 to their owners, GAZPROM, at probably very lucrative prices in Winter to other countries in Western Europe

Our wise chancellor, Schröder, sits on the board, and organized this in 2005 : - )

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:22 | 5053719 MsCreant
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Eeeebooooola!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:24 | 5053733 Toolshed
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“Putin will likely aim at a fig leaf policy with an incursion under the guise of a peacekeeping operation,”

Is that somehow worse than running a subversion operation under the guise of humanitarian aid? You know, like the CIA does all over the world.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:28 | 5053763 MsCreant
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NO fig leaf can cover up what the US is up to.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:32 | 5053764 MsCreant
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Fig ure it out!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:30 | 5053773 Chupacabra-322
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Yes, with the help of USAID.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:37 | 5053791 MsCreant
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Giving "aid" is coming to mean something just a little, well, sinister.

Edit: Giving aid to the enemy is a good thing, right? The new definitions in double speak, I think I'm getting the hang of it now.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:36 | 5053818 pods
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Chup, that Cuban USAID thing got me thinking about the "chemistry teacher" who was shot while jogging in Libya.

Lo and behold, the stinky smell of the USAID is rising from Libya.  I could not find any direct links to that school though.

http://www.usaid.gov/libya

pods

 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:59 | 5053888 Chupacabra-322
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USAID & NGO's are just fronts for the Criminal CIA destabilization campaigns, Fasle Narrative, PsyOp, Propaganda Operations.

The Pig Zionist Congresswoman Ileana Ros- Lehtinen was actually on local news supporting the PsyOp's USAID operations in Cuba.

She should be the first to hang IMHO.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:25 | 5054114 JohninMK
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Here is the Russian announcement in the UN on aid. Getting UN agreement seems to be the way to go.

Russia suggests sending an international humanitarian mission to eastern Ukraine that will be protected and sponsored by the Red Cross and escorted by the organization’s representatives, Russia’s UN envoy Vitaly Churkin said Tuesday at an emergency UN Security Council session on the humanitarian situation in violence-torn Ukraine.

“We suggest sending convoys of Russian humanitarian aid – under the auspices and accompanied by the ICRC [International Committee of the Red Cross] – to Donetsk and Luhansk, as well as to other cities of Ukraine where the internally displaced people from eastern regions [of Ukraine] are located,” Churkin said.

http://en.ria.ru/world/20140806/191763766/Moscow-Suggests-Sending-Humani...

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:24 | 5053734 Ignatius
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"...Amanda Paul, an analyst at the European Policy Centre in Brussels, wrote in an e-mail. “As other conflicts in the former Soviet Union have shown, once there is a Russian military presence it usually never leaves.”

Hey, Amanda, have you visited Germany or looked out your door lately?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:41 | 5053834 general ambivalent
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There is no liars' bench in Brussels.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:42 | 5053845 viahj
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i'm pretty sure she made a slip of the tongue and actuially was talking about the US

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:48 | 5053886 Ignatius
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I'm no math major but I figure US in Afghanistan for 13 years now and Russia, what, maybe 10?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:57 | 5054881 gallistic
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How many in Korea?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:03 | 5053969 Emergency Ward
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She usually never talks about the US presence.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 12:44 | 5054541 indio007
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How does Amanda think the current situation unfolded?

 

Russia left Ukraine.

 

 

 

 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:26 | 5053747 Dr. Engali
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Based on the result of the preceding poll, it's safe to say that the western powers have successfully made a boogie man out of Putin. 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:29 | 5053768 Ignatius
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Waiting for the shirtless Evil Putin action figure before I believe it.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:32 | 5053788 Uncle Remus
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Quiver.

 

/sarc

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:40 | 5053836 MsCreant
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He will market an inflatable one and send it to Obama. The large nozzle will be located in the groin region.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:56 | 5053932 Uncle Remus
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She said nozzle and with an accent I suspect.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:08 | 5054002 Chupacabra-322
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@ Dr. Engali,

Well, with the help of the McMann's the WWF / WWE has been writing that false narrative with the Evil Russian Wrestler.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:27 | 5053751 Ness.
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Stocks are loving this news.

 

BWWIII

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:27 | 5053756 Bill of Rights
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YouTube - MSNBC Reporter Says Obama Is from Kenya

More conspiracy theory's come to the forefront.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:38 | 5053829 Ignatius
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This is just cover for the bigger conspiracy of that B-17 that landed on the moon some years ago.

I keep up on these things and will not be distracted.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:42 | 5053854 Uncle Remus
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Hmmm. I heared it was a B-24...

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:45 | 5053863 Ignatius
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See, right there, disinformation... it's real.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:46 | 5053877 Uncle Remus
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Crap. There's a tear in my tin foil...

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:14 | 5054030 stant
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It was , the 24 has longer range, the 17 was just prettier

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:16 | 5054042 Ignatius
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You're forgetting refueling, that's what Apollo was really all about.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:21 | 5054082 stant
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Now it makes sense. No place for a tail gunner on the space shuttle. Action was to hot.That why the used the 17 instead for the moon trip

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:33 | 5056039 whyami
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How are they going to survive from nuclear radiation even if they survive by hiding in their bunders? They won't be able to plant food on radiated land for million years to come?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 21:30 | 5056932 StychoKiller
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The Morlocks came up with a solution...

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:30 | 5053778 Gringo Viejo
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If these sociopaths insist on fucking with Russia, words can't describe how badly we're gonna get our ass kicked. It's hard to believe they are this fucking blind and stupid.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:49 | 5053895 Bankster Kibble
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I suspect they are planning for a "hot" war with Russia and think they can survive it in their bunkers.  Then after most of the radiation has blown offshore, they can emerge and install themselves as kings over the survivors.

It's not so much blind and stupid as evil and callous.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:01 | 5053964 Son of Captain Nemo
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It's not so much blind and stupid as evil and callous.

BK

You forgot to add completely irrational and insane.

Because when the men and women in uniform follow "those kind of orders" they themselves will either be dead or wish they were when they realize that their won't be anything left to return home to.

Like I've always said.  The ones who survive in well stocked bunkers with the best of everything better grow eyes in the back of there heads when it comes to the people who will be taking their orders!

Whole lotta "Et tu, Brute(s)" will follow...

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:28 | 5054138 JohninMK
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Maybe they forget that more Russians will survive a hot war than Americans as they have more bunkers.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:53 | 5054269 The Blank Stare
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"they can emerge and install themselves as kings over the survivors."

That's the beauty of their plan. As soon as they come out, instant war! Killing off the talking apes will take two or three days tops.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:57 | 5054293 Son of Captain Nemo
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"Maybe they forget that more Russians will survive a hot war than Americans as they have more bunkers."...

You raise an importnat point JMK. 

Some more historical fact for the ignorant Amerikan masses who know so little about their superpower counterpart who care more about the survival of there people than do the capitalist elite in the West who look at them only as unit(s) of labor to be discarded when they become "obsolete" and no longer are cost productive to serve their business agenda!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:34 | 5054775 JohninMK
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Thanks.

All over the West the 'peace dividend' resulted in the scrapping/selling off of all kinds of command/rescue/safety bunkers and tunnels. There were dozens in the UK alone. Some now housing, some scrapped/left to rot some commercially used.

On the military side there are now defunk hardened aircraft shelters on airfields all across Europe. The twin airfields in East Anglia that housed A10s (the planned main stopper of Russian mobile troops) are now gradually becoming housing. In the UK the US only have Lakenheath (F16/F15) and Fairford (B2/B52 visitors) and the RAF are closing sites as fast as they can.

It is probably true, given the Russian's deeply held fear of invasion from the West, that the same did not happen in Russia. As I understand it the Moscow Metro is still 'hardened'.

Then this week the US announces it is storing tanks in Norway. WTF! Tanks are really useful halfway up a mountainous country with the only nearby flat land in non NATO Sweden.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 12:55 | 5054591 agent default
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True.  The US has allowed a mine shaft gap to develop.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:55 | 5053927 Chupacabra-322
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@ Gringo Viejo,

"It's hard to believe they are this fucking blind and stupid."

Believe me, they are not. far from it. They are, however, Pure Evil beings which need to be stopped at all costs.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:57 | 5053940 Uncle Remus
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Hallmark of a professional - they make it look easy.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:31 | 5053784 Son of Captain Nemo
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What's stopping you "Chuckie"?...

Let's get the party rockin & rollin!

I sure as hell hope I see lots of dead American "2 star Generals" and Admirals, junior officers and enlisted men who follow this piece of shits lead.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:05 | 5053976 Son of Captain Nemo
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"I sure as hell hope I see lots of dead American "2 star Generals" and Admirals, junior officers and enlisted men who follow this piece of shits lead."...

GIVEN WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE... WHERE WE'VE BEEN... AND WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO DO... AGAIN!  That is.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:37 | 5053796 cowdiddly
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Russia does not have to do anything. Ukraine is destroying itself. It will be an economic, political and militarily impotent disater for years to come starting with the first cool breeses. Some people in eastern y

Go ahead nato let another basketcase enter the EU for Germany to support. Ukraine and possible some in Europe face the prospect of freezing to death in a few short months.

As far as the US silly missle sheild, I think Russia had demonstrated they have the technology to not be to ovely concerned.

This war is dragging on and is now at the point its going to take some serious money to continue. Put up or shut up for your next Iraq.

Putin is laughing his ass off feeding them all the rope they need.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:38 | 5053827 Uncle Remus
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Ukraine hardly qualifies as a hollow state, being as it's so clustered. WTF was in those cookies Miss Vicky?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:35 | 5053797 general ambivalent
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We prewarred some folks.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:36 | 5053806 Uncle Remus
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"Lllliiiiive from Vichy DC, it's Kabuki Theater."

 

Fuck the warning - give me a match.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:36 | 5053813 Billy Shears
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The only threat to peace in the Ukraine (and the world as a consequence) is the US incessant meddling (sure to blow up in our face, as planned by our very own policy makers). Why can't we stop our government from constantly looking for new ways to involve the US and its overburdened taxpayers in absurd foreign adventures? Oh, yeah, almost forgot...the continuing expansion of our debt...at any cost. MORALLY BANKRUPT AND ETHICALLY DEPRAVED...America has become a serial killer. Nothing new here.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:36 | 5053819 general ambivalent
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This is coming to a head: Russia urges intl humanitarian mission for besieged E. Ukraine cities

http://youtu.be/d8fHUdKSVHQ

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:44 | 5053865 MsCreant
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USAID need not appy.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:47 | 5053875 Bankster Kibble
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The refugee story finally made it to my local news, but the talking heads only acknowledged about 100k refugees in Russia.  They still tried to make it sound like the rebels were to blame for the refugee problem, as if they were the ones bombing their own cities.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:17 | 5054054 general ambivalent
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I can see the headline already:

Russia hates Calico kittens - Millions head to Moscow for protest.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:38 | 5053823 swmnguy
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Every one of these stories is the same.  Just as in the run-up to war in Iraq, and every other media/government collaboration.  The stories are based on "facts" which are never revealed or identified.  Anonymous sources make allegations, and the sources willing to be named comment on the allegations.  If you tried this method of bullshit with a tax auditor or a criminal investigator you would be uckfayed so fast your head would spin. 

The average American would never accept this kind of bullshit explanation from you about any matter involving them personally, like how his car got a scratch and your car has a smudge of paint on it matching his car.  But when it's about issues outside their personal daily experience, they'll accept this sideways innuendo and inflection as fact, since "everybody knows" Putin is an asshole.  In our personal lives, of course, we are perfectly familiar with situations in which a person who is indeed an asshole is still in the right, or is at least the one being wronged.  We hate it when life works that way, but we know it does. 

Funny how we lose our wisdom when the subject is outside our personal daily purview, and the story is being told to us by some hot chick with nice tits, backed up by a guy in a suit who uses big words and a monotone.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:39 | 5053835 SpanishGoop
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Ukraine is not a NATO member.

So STFU.

 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:45 | 5053852 socalbeach
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Illuminating exchange.  State Dept spokeswoman Psaki not willing to say if Russian exercises in Siberia are ok.

August 5, 2014

QUESTION: All right. So the other thing that you were asked yesterday about this Russian military – aviation military exercise that’s going on.

MS. PSAKI: Mm-hmm.

QUESTION: You said you were – the U.S. was very deep – was deeply concerned about it, that it’s provocative. Well, the Russian defense ministry says that this ... exercise is not taking place really close to the Ukrainian border. It’s a thousand kilometers away. And I’m wondering if given that, if you still have deep concerns about this being a provocative exercise.

MS. PSAKI: Well, I think, Matt, the point I was making yesterday that I think I would certainly stick with is that obviously the conditions and the circumstances that any of these exercises are taking place in are a relevant factor, and that when we’re in a situation where we’re trying to reach a cease-fire where the Russians say they want to reach that, these sort of exercises send a different message.

QUESTION: Right. But I mean, it’s really not close to the Ukrainian border. So if you’re deeply concerned – I mean, how far away can the Russians do military exercises without drawing the concern of the United States? I mean, do they have to be in Vladivostok? I mean, how far away from --

QUESTION: (Inaudible) the Czech Republic?

QUESTION: I mean, it --

MS. PSAKI: I don’t have an exact kilometer (inaudible) measurement.

QUESTION: Siberia? Where do they – where exactly is it that the Russians can have military exercises that won’t – that you don’t think – or that you won’t have concerns are provocative to the situation in Ukraine?

MS. PSAKI: If there are exercises in Siberia, I’m happy to speak to that at the time.

QUESTION: Okay. But you still have – you have concerns about this exercise and it being a provocative action, is that correct?

MS. PSAKI: Yes.

QUESTION: Despite the distance, the rather large distance?

MS. PSAKI: Yes

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:31 | 5054154 JohninMK
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Pathetic, is this the best the US can do?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:44 | 5053858 world_debt_slave
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The US must be in more of a dire strait than we know, they keep egging on for a World War.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:49 | 5053897 Uncle Remus
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Desperate times call for desperate measures.

And it's a double-edged blade.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:58 | 5053944 ThisIsBob
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Beware the cornered rabid dog.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:48 | 5053883 Calculus99
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US government = Killing machine

US citizens (excluding politicians) = Lovely people

Such a shame.

 

 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:00 | 5053947 Bioscale
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Which are those lovely US citizens? I mean, how do you tell them apart?

What about the US Army soldiers? CIA, NSA, FBI, DHS, TSA staff? Hundreds thousands of people employed by the federal bureaucracy?

 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:11 | 5054017 viahj
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uhmm, those groups you mentioned are the .gov

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:39 | 5054192 general ambivalent
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But his point is an important one. The line between state and individual is now blurred. This is something people do not get, and goes back to ideas before the French Revolution. If you read up on the developing French Revolution (de Tocqueville) you will see that much of individualism in its laws of hard work and 'each man for himself' was actually instituted by the central government. This was done to free up bureaucracy and resources. The state created distance between its bureaucratic arm and the poor which in turn forced an 'every man for himself' attitude. The central government initiated the idea of letting the poor struggle on their own, find hard work or perish.

'If you do not work then you deserve your poverty,' even if there is no work. This dictat of the state, which individualists seem to take up wholeheartedly, stems from Calvinism. The idea that things are predestined, that there are no great works on earth which can build your path to heaven, has the opposite effect - it causes people to work harder, as there is nothing else. One must live as if he is predestined.

In the same way capitalism/democracy causes people to work, to think like a worker, even when they are not working, and to see themselves as kind citizens even when they are not. The diffusion of bureaucracy into all sectors of Western society is the natural outcome of such ideas. The individual is not what it seems. As Kafka suggested, he is a bureaucrat who simply does not know it.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:50 | 5053905 orangegeek
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meanwhile back at the ranch, everyone was feeling mary.....and mary laughed

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:51 | 5053907 ekm1
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This is more an attempt to shake up Obama rather than talking to Putin

It's clear Obama has vetoed any real help to Ukraine and Neocons are working on the side to help Ukraine

 

Obama and Bank Lobby hate neocons.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:53 | 5053913 Billy Shears
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“As other conflicts in the former Soviet Union have shown, once there is a Russian military presence it usually never leaves.”

Or:

As other conflicts around the globe have shown, once there is a U.S. (e.g. military) presence it usually never leaves.

 

Which statement is mostly true?

 

 

 

 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:27 | 5054135 tonyw
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lets look at the number of foreign bases, in fact the US has more foreign bases than the rest of the world combined many times over, including bases in countries where they don't want them.

As for russia, they have bases in    can't think of any, Crimea doesn't count.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 10:56 | 5053939 SMC
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Only the Oligarch controlled US Government may invade under "humanitarian" pretenses, provide material aid to a nation committing genocide, force sovereign nations to use it's scrip, spy on alleged allies, allegedly blackmail domestic and foreign elected officials, and lie with impunity.

ROFL. Epic hypocrisy.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:00 | 5053953 WTFUD
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Even a terminally ill , pissed Amurikan ( westerner ) would be unwilling to strap on a vest and shake hands with Chucky. That's the only language these sociopaths comprehend.
A million dissenting voices wont generate this Expression of Interest (EOI).

If only .01% of the disaffected could share the fervor of the football fan.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:28 | 5053966 Tracerfan
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So what?  Ukraine is not a NATO member.  It was part of the Soviet Union and Russia before that.  Not our concern.  Russia does not have to allow genocide and ethinc cleansing and a million refugees, just because NATO wants to turn Ukraine into a NATO base.  Ukraine is a vital Russian interest, not an American one.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:06 | 5053987 Anarchy 99
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It seems to me that the Ukies have all their manpower and gear in East Ukrane bogged down with the militia, Odessa from the south and Belarus from the north, in a pincher towards Kiev? the Russians do not need to do anything once winter comes and the ukies start starving freezing to death.

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com.au

http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:05 | 5053989 Atomizer
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Oh noes, Hagel lost the USAID contract to supply food to Ukraine. Didn't you also lose the contract to supply fighter jets to Ukraine?

How much more Global rejection does it take for you to realize that the problem exists within the White House administration?  

 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:06 | 5053993 Latitude25
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Time for some grainy satellite photos as "proof".

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 12:45 | 5054552 Boubou
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Dig up Colin

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:09 | 5054007 Anarchy 99
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and the Poles (the people) need to grow a pair and make some noise against their pussified US crotch licking leaders before it's too late for Poland, (again).

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:10 | 5054011 beaglebog
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Nato: Russia preparing to invade Ukraine

 

Front page of today's Daily Telegraph  (UK Broadsheet)

 

So, it must be true.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:14 | 5054025 no1wonder
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Interfax - 08/06 19:03   Putin decree bans or limits farm produce, food imports from countries party to sanctions against Russia

   
Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:17 | 5054052 no1wonder
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http://rt.com/news/178484-putin-russia-sanctions-agriculture/

A 1-year ban has been imposed on certain agricultural produce, foods and raw materials from countries that have sanctioned Russia. A law on economic measures to protect the country has been signed by President Putin.

Vladimir Putin has signed a decree on countermeasures in response to sanctions imposed on Russia by a number of states over the Ukrainian crisis, the Kremlin said on its website.

While the law comes into force immediately, the government has been tasked to come up with a concrete list of imports to be banned.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:29 | 5054140 no1wonder
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Perhaps Russia should also stop its supply of low-enriched uranium fuel to commercial power-plants in America.

Currently, Russia supplies around 30% of the uranium imported by the U.S.; a contract signed in 2009, commencing this year until 2020.

Consequences would be interesting ..

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:14 | 5054028 RSDallas
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All this confirms is that Russia has made it clear to the US and UN that they are indeed going in. It seems to be a pretty clever move.  Think about it.  Putin announces to the world that Russia is going in to save the lives of the people of Eastern Ukraine by supplying humanitarian aid. Then the Ukrainian army fires on the Russian troops who are delivering food, medicine and water to desperate innocent people.  What will be the response of the world community?  They will applaud Putin for his efforts and shun the Ukrainian government!  What is Russia to do at this point? Crush the Ukrainians!  It was self defense Obammy, check!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:35 | 5054176 JohninMK
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But that is not what the MSM would report.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:54 | 5054862 Zwelgje
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Who cares what idiotic zombies watching that think?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:19 | 5054056 Perimetr
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Evidence is not a necessary component of US policy.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:19 | 5054058 GoldenDonuts
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Bankers a politicians chanting same ryhthm as U S A   U S A   U S A

 

WE WANT WAR .... SEND YOUR KIDS .... WE WANT WAR ....

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:19 | 5054073 q99x2
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Bad idea to attack white people. Thems folks is crazy.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:23 | 5054094 Atomizer
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War is designed to create new bubbles and supply and demand GDP Forecast. 

When the population war is turned on the Central Planning, Central Bankers, and Think Tanks.. The Federal Reserve System will end. Killing to profit model is over. The people responsible will also be gone. The world has become chaos, I didn't experience this this as growing up as a child. Time to pull the plug on this insanity. 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:30 | 5054145 Fix It Again Timmy
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This is the age of asymmetrical warfare and Putin knows it - sending in battalions is so 19th century....

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:35 | 5054173 kurt
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Ukrainian Firewood Futures!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:39 | 5054193 JohninMK
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Elsewhere, in unconnected news......................

A Russian group has hacked 1.2 billion usernames and passwords belonging to more than 500 million email addresses, according to Hold Security - a US firm specialising in discovering breaches.

Hold Security described the hack as the "largest data breach known to date".

It claimed the stolen information came from more than 420,000 websites, including "many leaders in virtually all industries across the world".

Hold Security did not give details of the companies affected by the hack.

"They didn't just target large companies; instead, they targeted every site that their victims visited," Hold Security said in its report.

"With hundreds of thousands of sites affected, the list includes many leaders in virtually all industries across the world, as well as a multitude of small or even personal websites."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-28654613

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 13:02 | 5054629 therevolutionwas
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cyber world war I.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:40 | 5054195 RealityCheque
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I'm really bummed out at the realisation that I'm living in Nazi Germany (AKA the EU). Sucks to know that you're unwittingly located on the wrong side.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:49 | 5054235 Anarchy 99
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Now Edward Snowden is revealing that this has been the strategy in the Middle East. Snowden, recently revealed that the British and American intelligence and the Mossad worked together to create the ex-EIIL or Islamic State Iraq and the Levant (Syria), according to Iranian news agency Farsnews

According to documents Snowden, “The only solution for the protection of” Jewish state “is to create an enemy near its borders, but to stand against the Islamic states who oppose his presence.”

 

“Leaks revealed that “Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi took an intensive military training for a whole year in the hands of Mossad, besides courses in theology and master the art of speech

why do this 3 terrorist organization's names keep popping up?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:49 | 5054238 JohninMK
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Back on sanctions

Russia will soon unveil a series of protective economic measures – including in the sensitive space industry – aimed at taking the edge off recent Western sanctions, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said Wednesday.

"All our measures will be aimed, primarily, at protecting our economy," Rogozin, who oversees the defense and space industry, told reporters during his visit to the Energia space corporation.

"We will protect ourselves in a tough, persistent and active manner," Rogozin said, adding that the measures will be announced soon.

The deputy prime minister stressed that the measures were not devised to hurt Russia's Western partners, but would seek to mitigate the impact of the recent economic restrictions on Russian companies.

“They won’t be aimed at making things worse for Western companies. It’s not in our interests,” the deputy prime minister noted.

Rogozin said one of the main goals would be to keep the country’s space and rocket industry afloat.

http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140806/191783202/Russia-to-Give-Tough-Response...

Potential part replacement for Polish fruit and veg in the future

The head of Russia’s agricultural watchdog Rosselkhoznadzor, Sergei Dankvert, will discuss the possibility of an increase in the import of fruits and vegetables from Turkey with Turkish Agricultural Ministry representative Nihat Pakdil on August 8, a Rospotrebnadzor statement said.

The talks will be held in a format of telephone conference.

On August 1, Rosselkhoznadzor imposed a ban on all fruits and vegetables imported from Poland, citing numerous licensing breaches and the detection of quarantined items.

And finally an 'up yours moment, who says we don't have friends? No mention of US sanctions just UN.

Russia's participation in Iranian crude oil deliveries, including to Russia, does not violate UN Security Council resolutions restricting cooperation with Tehran over its controversial nuclear program, Energy Minister Alexander Novak said Wednesday.

“The Iranian side has offered [Russia] to take part in arranging shipments of [Iranian] crude oil…the actual delivery volumes will be determined according to the market demand,” Novak said in statement.

“I’d like to emphasize that cooperation between our countries does not violate the UN Security Council's resolutions,” Novak said.

http://en.ria.ru/world/20140806/191784350/Russia-Iran-Oil-Deal-Consisten...

 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:51 | 5054258 Anarchy 99
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well there you go, Poland (among others) fucked again 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:53 | 5054270 trulz4lulz
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#Butwereonvacation

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 11:59 | 5054310 The Phallic Crusader
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What I wonder is - who is paying for the Polish mercenaries currently targeting ethnic Russian Ukrainians?

 

 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 12:40 | 5054527 ThisIsBob
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Profits from fruit exports?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 12:22 | 5054327 BullyBearish
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Be interesting to know the numbers of the American citizens of Jewish faith voluntarily in the US Armed forces versus the IDF...at the grunt level that is.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 12:55 | 5054592 therevolutionwas
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The grunt level jew has nothing to do with the mad-hatter Zionist elite and therefore are sane and would naturally not want to volunteer and probably do not.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 12:05 | 5054336 pcrs
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Using peace keeping as a pretext? Who would do such a terrible thing. Never happened that wars were fought under the pretense of peace.

takes one to know one.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 12:09 | 5054354 HerrDoktor
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Chuck Hagel surfaces to make a couple of comments.  Where has this mook been lately?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 12:37 | 5054514 ThisIsBob
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Hagel himself is a bigger threat to peace than all the Russian troops along the border, which reminds me that the US plans to give Ukraine a bunch of money to harder its borders and will likely send some US Border Patrol guys over to show them how to do it.

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