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US Missile-Cruiser Returns To Black Sea To "Promote Peace And Stability"

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The last time the Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruiser USS Vella Gulf (CG 72) crossed the Bosphorus was three weeks ago to depart the Black Sea, following the end of the Bulgaria-led NATO exercise Breeze 2014. Back then, the departure of the cruiser left no American ship in the Black Sea but the numbers of NATO ships have been on the rise since March. Ahead of Vella Gulf’s departure, there were nine NATO ships in the Black Sea on July 9, according to Russian state news service RIA Novosti.

The reason for the departure: all warships from countries without a coast on the Black Sea operate under the 1936 Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of the Straits, whose rules call for foreign warships to depart the Black Sea after 21 days.

It's time to reboot the Montreux 21 day countdown, and following a rest in the Mediterranean and as a result of the most recent deterioration in second Cold War, the USS Vella Gulf has re-entered the Black Sea, the ship's third trip to the Black Sea. The reason: "to promote peace and stability in the region."

Here is how Vella crew was killing time before its re-repeat entry into the Black Sea.

From the US Navy:

Vella Gulf’s mission is to improve interoperability and work toward mutual goals, demonstrating the United States’ commitment to strengthening the collective security of NATO allies and partners in the region.

 

The U.S. Navy’s forward presence in Europe allows us to work with our allies and partners to develop and improve ready maritime forces capable of maintaining regional security.

 

Vella Gulf, homeported in Norfolk, Va., is deployed in a multi-mission role in the U.S. 6th Fleet area of operations to contribute to regional maritime security, conduct bilateral and multilateral training missions, and to support NATO operations and deployments throughout the region.

 

U.S. 6th Fleet, headquartered in Naples, Italy, conducts the full spectrum of joint and naval operations, often in concert with allied, joint, and interagency partners, in order to advance U.S. national interests and security and stability in Europe and Africa.

Meanwhile, considering the rest of the world is as much a powder keg as it was a hundred years ago, here is the full breakdown of the US fleet around the globe courtesy of Stratfor.

Carrier Strike Groups

  • The USS George H.W. Bush CSG with CVW 8 embarked is underway for a deployment in the U.S. 5th Fleet AOR supporting maritime security operations and conducting theater security cooperation efforts.
  • The USS Ronald Reagan with CVW 2 embarked is underway in the Pacific Ocean participating in the Rim of the Pacific 2014 naval exercises.
  • The USS George Washington CSG with CVW 5 embarked is underway in the U.S. 7th Fleet AOR for its summer patrol.
  • The USS Nimitz is on a scheduled port visit to Naval Magazine Indian Island in Port Townsend, Wash., for ammunition offload.

Amphibious Ready Groups/Marine Expeditionary Units

  • The USS Bataan ARG with the 22nd MEU embarked is underway for a deployment in the U.S. 5th Fleet AOR supporting maritime security operations and conducting theater security cooperation efforts.
  • The USS Peleliu is underway in the Pacific Ocean participating in the Rim of the Pacific 2014 naval exercises.
  • The USS Essex is on a scheduled port visit to Seattle, Wash., for Seattle Seafair Fleet Week.
  • The USS Kearsarge is underway in the Atlantic Ocean for routine training.
  • The USS Iwo Jima is underway in the Atlantic Ocean for routine training.
  • The USS Makin Island is underway in the Pacific Ocean for a scheduled deployment.

 

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Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:33 | 5055742 NOTaREALmerican
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I wonder if there are any Russian ships in Lake Michigan?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:35 | 5055763 Winston Churchill
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Do subs count ?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:44 | 5055801 y3maxx
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..."Peace Movement" is taking hold in many areas around the globe. sarc off World War countdown in 10, 9, 8...

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:45 | 5055811 kliguy38
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might as well paint a bulls eye on the side of it....... ya aint off the coast of Kuwait and those boyz play for keeps..so you better get as many missiles off on your first salvo because it'll be your last in that pond.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:58 | 5055874 DoChenRollingBearing
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No worries about the Vella Gulf!  Unless that boat goes down, bummer, that's where I put all my gold.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:24 | 5055996 Winston Churchill
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What gold ?

I know nuffink, nuffink.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:11 | 5056217 7.62x54r
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Sacrificial victim.

If the Russians don't sink it, the Ukrainians will, and blame it on the Russians.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 19:24 | 5056532 johngaltfla
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Bingo. It's a SFD:

 

SITTING

FUCKING

DUCK

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 22:56 | 5057266 AldousHuxley
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No war is fought with Department of Offense.

 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:20 | 5055978 john39
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false flag bait? is that a word?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:33 | 5056034 NotApplicable
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More like a dick waving contest.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:58 | 5056154 Boogity
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Or in the case of the mighty LGBT-infested USA military, a strap on waving contest. 

The USA Navy should just get it over with, come out of the closet, and name their ships after famous lesbos, poofters, and transexuals.  They should probably start with the "USS Ellen Degeneres", the "USS Liberace", and the "USS Ru Paul". 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 20:57 | 5056800 Kirk2NCC1701
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You're getting warm. The real reason that the US has its warships in the area, is that Nuttynyahoo is desperate to get the Intel about Russian (Shkval) rockets, before they go after Iran.

The US And Ukraine are therefore under strict instructions to provoke the Russians into a Salvo that will provide the necessary intel. The US is just a proxy and an errand-goy for the Zionists.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 20:28 | 5056716 Mark Urbo
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"Nobel Peace Prize" from the Nobel Peace Prize president...  /s

 

..there, fixed it.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 00:52 | 5057564 Idaho potato head
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We will keep bombing until calm is restored..

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:40 | 5055788 JohninMK
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No chance in the lakes, but the Gulf of Mexico? That would set the USN on edge.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:52 | 5055839 pods
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Next thing you will say is a Chinese Sub is gonna launch a missile just off of LA.

pods

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:13 | 5055945 Postal
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We couldn't get that lucky...

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:17 | 5056200 Seeing Red
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No need.  South San Andreas Fault is pregnant and overdue.  LA is a deathtrap (discussed awhile ago).

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:37 | 5056339 Freddie
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Link with pictures or it never happend.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:55 | 5056411 Seeing Red
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Too bad you never learned to use Google.  Try this:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1955&dat=20060622&id=KjQxAAAAIBAJ&...

There are more interesting articles, harder to find, but this is probably the wrong forum for that.

p.s.  In case anyone is still confused:  NOTHING has "happened".  Yet.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 21:22 | 5056899 Freddie
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Chill bro.  Thanks for the link.  I upvoted you so be cool.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:52 | 5055844 Heyoka
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Russian subs and surface ships are always in the Gulf.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:54 | 5055856 Winston Churchill
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Was being sarcastic.

Is it John in Milton Keynes ?

I used to live in Woburn Sands.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:21 | 5055979 STG5IVE
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There's Russian algae in Lake Erie

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 19:26 | 5056538 johngaltfla
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I wonder if there are any Russian ships in Lake Michigan?

 

No, but we've had Russian subs checking out the T&A on our beaches down here in Florida apparently...

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:36 | 5055745 alexcojones
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Modern warships have been rendered Redundant/ death traps

In Time of War.

The Sunburn - Iran's Awesome Nuclear Anti-Ship Missile

"The Sunburn missile has never seen use in combat, to my knowledge, which probably explains why its fearsome capabilities are not more widely recognized. Other cruise missiles have been used, of course, on several occasions, and with devastating results. During the Falklands War, French-made Exocet missiles, fired from Argentine fighters, sunk the HMS Sheffield and another ship. And, in 1987, during the Iran-Iraq war, the USS Stark was nearly cut in half by a pair of Exocets while on patrol in the Persian Gulf. On that occasion US Aegis radar picked up the incoming Iraqi fighter (a French-made Mirage), and tracked its approach to within 50 miles. The radar also "saw" the Iraqi plane turn about and return to its base. But radar never detected the pilot launch his weapons. The sea-skimming Exocets came smoking in under radar and were only sighted by human eyes moments before they ripped into the Stark, crippling the ship and killing 37 US sailors."

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:23 | 5055791 hobopants
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Umm hasn't pretty much everything conventional been rendered obsolete by nukes?? But You know, that whole mutually assured destruction thing pretty much renders nukes like that one pointless too, unless you want to turn the world to glass.

But hell fantasize away, I'm sure shooting nukes at each other will turn out well for everyone involved.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:05 | 5056177 socalbeach
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I would recommend you acquaint yourself with Russia's doctrine of national security.

July 9, 2014

Lavrov advised international community not to even think of returning Crimea to Ukraine

"In case of armed attack at Crimea Russia will act according to the doctrine of national security..."

National Security Concept of the Russian Federation

" ... The main task of the Russian Federation is to deter aggressions of any scale against it and its allies, including with the use of nuclear weapons. The Russian Federation must have nuclear forces capable of delivering specified damage to any aggressor state or a coalition of states in any situation..."

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 19:44 | 5056533 hobopants
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That is um, cool I guess? But I'm not sure what you are trying to prove? That Russia has nukes and will use them? Not exactly breaking news there bud.

See what the cheerleaders don't seem to get is that if Russia nukes the evil bankers and the evil bankers nuke Russia, nobody wins, everyone dies and it sucks all the way around. No nuclear anti-ship missle is going to change that.

You use a nuke against another nuclear power and we are all fucked. So that missle is pointless, just like the big ship it is suppose to take out.

I like Putin well enough, but some of you bozos are willing to throw logic out the window in your adoration of him.

Being on the morally correct side of a power struggle doesn't give you magical powers to negate the consequences of nuclear war.

Rooting for Putin is all good and well, but don't forget to spend some time with reality every once in awhile. 

 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 19:46 | 5056598 Ides of November
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There is no chance Putin will launch a first strike against American territory.

No chance.

There is a greater than 0 chance the US/NATO will launch a strike against Russia, probably against Crimea.

What happens after that?

Well, clearly Russia will sink the USS Vella. If I was on that ship I would be deserting right about now. I wonder how many on the ship know who they're really fighting for?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 19:54 | 5056615 socalbeach
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Fair question. The 2 links in combination suggest Russia will use nuclear weapons if Crimea is attacked.  What about Transnistria ?  I don't know.  I don't share your opinion that a nuclear war can't be limited.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 20:03 | 5056629 hobopants
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I don't share your opinion that a nuclear war can't be limited.

I would love for you to defend that position. Especially considering that both Russia and the USA thought otherwise for the entire length of the cold war.

MAD 

"The doctrine further assumes that neither side will dare to launch a first strike because the other side will launch on warning (also called fail-deadly) or with secondary forces (asecond strike), resulting in unacceptable losses for both parties. The payoff of the MAD doctrine is expected to be a tense but stable global peace."

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 20:13 | 5056662 logicalman
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It would likely only take a few nukes to send the world back a few millenia.

Survival would be a curse, not a blessing.

 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 20:13 | 5056669 Winston Churchill
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Assuming you have rational players.

Thats the fatal flaw.

Pure luck got the world thru' the Cuban crises.

Are you feeling lucky ?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 20:23 | 5056696 hobopants
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Human beings are always rational, don't you know that? The thing that scares me is the fact that we have only had nuclear weapons for what? Less than 100 years? History says that if people have the power to do something, they eventually do it.

There is no such thing as a limited nuclear war when both sides have the bombs...

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 20:27 | 5056709 socalbeach
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That's easy since I'm not claiming that "turn[ing] the world to glass" or "everyone dies" isn't impossible either.

One plausible scenario: NATO and Russia get into a conventional shooting war (the West seems to be doing everything possible to get a war involving Russia started(*)). The combined 28 NATO member states overwhelm Russia, and Russia starts using tactical nukes to take out carrier battle groups, military bases, etc.  NATO retaliates with nuclear weapons against Russian military bases and sea assets.  Maybe a few large cities on each side get taken out also (Washington DC, Silicon Valley, naval bases in San Diego or North Carolina, etc.).

Since a case can be made that the shadow government controlling the US and other "Western" powers are not loyal to any one of its constituent members(*), they could agree to a ceasefire after Russia has gotten in the last attack.  They wouldn't care if the US "loses".

(*) don't want to provide evidence now to backup those 2 claims.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 21:04 | 5056818 hobopants
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Quite the optimist, Since the cold war the infrastructure for nuclear weapons deployment has been geared towards total obliteration of the enemy, the escalation would be as such that there would be no time for diplomacy or a ceasefire.

Once the first one goes off, that's it. Limited nuclear war only exist in a situation where only one side possesses nuclear weapons, like Japan faced during WWII, believing otherwise is just wishful thinking.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 01:02 | 5057581 Urban Redneck
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Are you implying that the US spent billions of dollars and devoted all that manpower and mental capacity designing, manufacturing and deploying all those tactical nuclear weapons as some sort of joke or shovel-ready jobs program?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 21:09 | 5056845 Sandmann
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destroy Tel Aviv and the US will be a headless cockroach

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 00:57 | 5057565 Urban Redneck
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You should really go back and study nuclear game theory.

Use of tactical nuclear weapons on the battle field is different and distinct from a strike on the home nation whose troops are on the battlefield, precisely because a full scale launch in response to the use of a tactical nuke on the battlefield is irrational.

(Whether anyone responsible for command of control of nuclear weapons would still be rational after their tactical use on the battlefield is a separate matter)

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:42 | 5055802 trulz4lulz
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Ah the old SS-N-22 variant cruise missle. A true marvel in rocket technology. Deadly as well.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:42 | 5055806 giggler321
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They are so big even a turban hooded guy on with a shoulder luncher and instructions from ebay in urdo could sink it.  That said, their kitchens are 2nd to none, with all modern facilities able to produce some very fine nosh.  I'd recommend the pride of la'harve if they hadn't of stopped the service.  Getting to france is the problem, so much dog poo on the floor even the tour operator's giving away doggy bags - wrong forum...  All this war talk isn't helping any body.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:58 | 5055828 JuliaS
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I'd expand the definition to all manned vehicles, except submarines.

Guided projectiles exist for elimination of any mechanized threat and with missiles costing less than the infrastructure they typically destroy it makes more and more sense to go for the cheapest delivery option - drones.

Ships are obsolete. Jets are obsolete. Tanks are obsolete. They're only effective in battles against marginally equipped foes in 3rd world countries.

Real-time intel in todays warfare is more vauable than the munitions. That comm tower on top of the deck is probably worth more strategically than the entire hull. Transmitters, receivers, radars, jammers is where it's at.

Then again, the capacity already exists on land. The ship doesn't have to be there. Empty posturing and unnecessary risk of actual human lives.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:08 | 5055924 JohninMK
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It is the carriers airborne 'eyes and ears' where the real value is. Kill the carrier, no plane after fuel runs out, everything goes blind/deaf.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:19 | 5055971 JohninMK
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Don't forget torpedos, so what you say, old hat, 80mph tops.

Not Russian ones, this little beastie gets to 200mph underwater, with a 300mph version possibly underway. Fast enough to get to another submarine before its wire guided torps can reach the Russian. The West has nothing like it. Scares the shit out of them.

Also fitted to your friendly local Chinese sub.

Bet your local politican, busy signing off of big new ships, has no idea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VA-111_Shkval

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:05 | 5055911 JohninMK
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The 'other ship' was the SS Atlantic Conveyor. The loss of 6 Wessex and  4 Chinook helicopters almost cost the British the war. Anti ship missile ASM defences are better than they were but are helpless against a 'swarm' attack. Like 200 Iranian power boats each with a couple of Hellfire type missiles, with shoulder SAMs to keep defending helicopters/planes at bay.

Interestingly, the Russian version of the Mistral helicopter carrier has far more anti ASM hardware than the French. The new British carriers have pathetical little such defence, relying on supporting ships and aircraft. They clearly do not expect to have to fight in their lives.

The Chinese DF-21 ballistic ASM is a particular threat to the USN, probably rendering the South China Sea a no-go area for US carriers. It is rumoured that a, highly advanced technology, drone captured in Iran in 2011 will by now have been reverse engineered and elements of it incorporated in the DF-21 to give it a variable track (similar to Hamas fuelling their rockets with an inconsistant mix propellant to fool Iron Doom predictive tracking).

Carriers are for show (force projection) and use against an ill equiped and inferior enemy. Against Russia and China they are potentially large coffins. In reverse so are the Russian and Chinese carriers,

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:45 | 5056055 Boogity
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"Carriers are for show (force projection) and use against an ill equiped and inferior enemy. Against Russia and China they are potentially large coffins"

True... But they give old Johnny McCain a stiffie, which allows his effeminate man crush Lindsey Graham to fullfill his dutes as old Johnny's "understudy". 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:33 | 5055751 Relentless101
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"Promoting peace and stability." I kind of think you meant that other thing...

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:24 | 5055997 TheFourthStooge-ing
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It psure psounds like Psaki pspeak to me.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:36 | 5055752 _ConanTheLibert...
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Peace or we will shoot!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:54 | 5055858 Heyoka
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We come in peace, shoot to kill.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:36 | 5055756 Dr. Engali
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As impressive as these ships once were, they sure seem like big slow moving targets today.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:04 | 5055887 JuliaS
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They're floating pieces of American Soil. Good for signing documents and marrying gays. Can't be expecting them to bus all the way to Britain for that sort of thing.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 21:05 | 5056827 Kirk2NCC1701
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Good for projecting power and for Burials at Sea. Especially for #1 Enemies.

(Yes I used the plural form, deliberately).

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:05 | 5055904 hobopants
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Yep those ships are a huge waste of money, as are the systems to defeat them. The militaries of the world are largely relics from a bygone age since the advent of nuclear arms. For some reason people seem to forget this and start arguing the merits of stupid crap like standing army size or which fighter jet is superior.

There is a reason that there hasn't been a hot war between nuclear powers, nobody wins.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:15 | 5055953 Postal
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Just think of all the peace and stability when ISIS decides to poke a hole in the side of it. :/

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:36 | 5055761 pods
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The USS Hypocrisy?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:36 | 5055767 ebworthen
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And what are they going to do if Vlad decides to roll tanks into Ukraine to stop the madness?

Not a damn thing.  Burning some fuel though, and making a nice show.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:40 | 5055785 agent default
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Well they can, like look important?  Plus everyone in the crew gets an "I was there" campaign medal.  Will certainly have an impact on tin price.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:40 | 5055784 Oxygen
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Sound good.. bring some more warship for peace stability..
What can go wrong??
With as many warship in the region,
We are now safer then ever
They should had think about it before!

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:40 | 5055787 roadhazard
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Sitting duck, bait.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:57 | 5055868 crazybob369
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Kind of seems that way, huh? Let's just rename this the USS Maddox. Gulf of Tonkin part 2.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:45 | 5055814 MrTouchdown
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As I understand it, Freedom is launched from a Predator Drone. It's interesting to learn that Peace and Stability are ship fired.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:45 | 5055815 nosoeawe
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Coincidently, the USS Jihadist is underway in the United States for routine treason and murder
Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:47 | 5055821 syntaxterror
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Watch out for those naval mines commrades! 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:49 | 5055822 crazybob369
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Sorry, this shit is just too funny. Yes, nothing quite says "peace and stability" like a ship armed to the gills with missiles and other shiny toys that go boom and kill lots of people.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:50 | 5055829 pods
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Ships are only good for lobbing missiles at "folks" who cannot fire back.

Any of those fancy cruise missiles go off CNN better wait for the return, cause for war, navies are obsolete.

pods

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:13 | 5055940 hobopants
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These assholes are looking for a war, but I don't think they know what they wish for. Russia isn't Iraq, MAD is on it's way.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:50 | 5055833 MidwestJester
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"Promote Peace And Stability"

I don't think that means what you think it means...

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:53 | 5055835 Circle of DNA
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The only reason for it to be there is to enact another False Flag operation. The Zionists are going to sink it and blame it all on Russia. Unlike the failed Ukie False Flag with MH17, which was poorly planned and badly executed, sinking USS Vella Gulf won't need any extra evidence or cooperation of the EU groupies.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:24 | 5056267 Son of Captain Nemo
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Yep CDNA

Remember this one over a year ago.  It would have been perfect, but someone in DIA leaked the goods on that before it came off.  Would have been another U.S.S. Liberty in the making...

They need "one" real bad and all the other ones ain't been workin out too well.  For non-Americans that is!

Personally don't care one iota if any of them get killed on that ship, Because if you are that stupid after 13 years of this shit and still wear a uniform it's better if you are no longer working a man of war as they can only be labeled as chronically ignorant, brainwashed or just hard up and will do anything for the money!

No tears to shed here!

 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:46 | 5056386 germanski
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European folks are familiar with the Gulf of Tonking, the Lousitania, USS Maine.

Would be interesting to see US/UK do something out of area of NATO

 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:46 | 5056388 germanski
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European folks are familiar with the Gulf of Tonking, the Lousitania, USS Maine.

Would be interesting to see US/UK do something out of area of NATO

 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:52 | 5055846 Tracerfan
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You can expect nuke-armed Russian subs to be moved closer to the US now.  Fools playing with their toys will get a lot of people killed.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:43 | 5056375 robertocarlos
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The subs have a delivery deal, "5 minutes or it's free".

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:54 | 5055853 general ambivalent
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More fighting in Lebanon as well, things are looking to spill over in a lot of regions at once.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:04 | 5055907 Duffy
Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:54 | 5055857 Anarchy 99
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stupid idea, fish in a barrel

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 16:55 | 5055860 Uncle Remus
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Yeeeeeaaaaaahhhh.

 

The USS Provocation.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:01 | 5055885 roadhazard
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Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:37 | 5056060 daemon
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" / "

Really zen, the comment .

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:05 | 5055896 Duffy
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Perhaps Kolomoisky/Mossad will take a shot or two at it next week.

Won't that be nice?

I bet the copy blaming Putin has already been written.

CNN and Fox must have new/young CIA handlers - their agitprop is clumsy and artless.  Perhaps artlessness works even better with the dumbed down, well fed couch fucks.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:07 | 5055921 luckylogger
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That russian boat is still burning coal................

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:18 | 5055965 IronForge
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If Uncle Sam, and Davey Jones were serious about "Peace and Prosperity", they should have sent a HOSPITAL SHIP to the UKR.

 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:18 | 5055966 TMLutas
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The stupid just burns with the RIA Novosti idiocy that there were just 9 NATO ships in the Black Sea.

Look at the NATO membership roster and then the list of countries with coasts on the Black Sea. There are three countries on both lists, Turkey, Romania, and Bulgaria. Any non-riverine naval forces for two of them, Romania and Bulgaria have to be in the Black Sea because that's their only coastline. NATO has more Black Sea coastline than Russia. Just the Romanian frigate flotilla has more than 9 ships. 

This isn't to say that NATO is or should be going to war with Russia in the Black Sea. But you'd think that RIA Novosti would know how to count. 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:43 | 5056081 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

This isn't to say that NATO is or should be going to war with Russia in the Black Sea. But you'd think that RIA Novosti would know how to count.

I believe not counting the Bulgarian, Romanian, and Turkish tugboats was an editorial decision.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:45 | 5056094 bilejones
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It beggars fucking belief that the US is back-stopping the likes of Bulgaria and Romania, doesn't it?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:19 | 5055968 daemon
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" "to promote peace and stability in the region." "

Hats off people .

To all the negative commenters here on ZH: you have to give credit where credit is due ......

 

By the way, ......  does anyone know whether the missiles will be filled with candies or flowers ?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:43 | 5056083 Anarchy 99
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no, multi colored paint. 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:45 | 5056097 TheFourthStooge-ing
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By the way, ......  does anyone know whether the missiles will be filled with candies or flowers ?

They're loaded with Porky Poroshenko's chocolates.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:56 | 5056140 daemon
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" They're loaded with Porky Poroshenko's chocolates. "

Hmmm.... that seems very nice ....

I' d better not ask with what those chocolates are filled .....I guess we would have to redefine the word "peace".

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:25 | 5055998 JohninMK
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No military ship has ever been for 'peace and stability'.

They are there to project power pure and simple.

Preferably 'mines bigger than yours' or 'Ive got more than you'.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 19:33 | 5056562 syntaxterror
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'mines bigger than yours' as in explosive mines?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:30 | 5056015 JohninMK
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Black Box September!!!

The Dutch have announced preliminary report now due September. They hope Kiev will have won by then.

Safety Board spokesman Wim van der Weegen said Wednesday that normally under International Civil Aviation Organization rules, a preliminary report is published one month after a crash date. But in this case the difficulty in accessing the crash site amid fighting between Ukrainian forces and pro-Russian separatist rebels has pushed the timeframe back.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/08/06/dutch-safety-board-says-prelimin...

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:30 | 5056018 Canucklehead
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Does Russia even have a dog in this hunt?  What I mean by that is after all the bluff and bluster, the chess pieces are starting to move in place.  If you prefer the old dogs circling and smelling one another before the fight are about to stop and look each other in the eye.

Now you can pick your champion, but look at the Russian support for their military.  The link takes you to a webpage that shows what they eat:

http://englishrussia.com/2014/08/01/army-meals-2014/ 

An army marches on its stomach.  This will not get you far.  If this is all they can afford, their logistics are minimalized also.  Unless Russia is prepared to nuke the world, they have lost.  I realize bravado has carried the day so far.  Going forward, things will be getting serious.   Russia cannot win a conventional war in the Ukraine.  Their satellites will leave them.  Embargoes will polish off the concept of neo-Russia.  Unless they go Nuclear, they have no chance of winning.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:36 | 5056053 JohninMK
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That looks a pretty good days meals to me. Probably a very scientifically balanced diet. No excess fat in the Russian Army.

Think I would back an army eating that rather than one used to consuming Big Macs and ice cream who suddenly find themselves on iron rations at the front.

Use your logistics for ammunition not food, its logistics that wins wars.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:58 | 5056150 potato
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It is widely known that in both the US and Russian army, everything breaks very frequently. Just search google for first-person blogs written by Marines. Food is horrible and not nutritious in both the US and Russian armed forces. The US military gets a lot of press for being very powerful and capable, but the reality is that there is a lot of fat and corruption in the armed forces. If you throw enough money at it, you will get military successes that get a lot of press.

Military textbooks teach that, ceteris paribus, defensive forces have a 3-to-1 advantage over offensive forces. The best thing Russia could do is focus on its economy and fund the military to the minimum that is necessary to defend it's populated borders. However, it's leaders are not much different than the leaders of the USA. Without strong consequences, many people will use their posts for crony enrichment.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:40 | 5056075 Boogity
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Uhh... So who's going to whip Russia?  The same mighty LGBT-infested USA /  NATO that got its azzz beat by double-digit IQ untrained Afghan Muslims using re-built 30 year-old AK47's and IED's made out of cell phone parts?   

Yeah... That's the ticket.   Derp.  

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:45 | 5056092 Anarchy 99
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while the ukies eat skinned snakes and tree bark.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:07 | 5056190 Duffy
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You must work pretty hard at maintaining your ignorance in so many disparate areas.

You ought to start posting your picks for NFL games.

I bet a fella could cover quite a bit going against your counsel. 

 

:o}

hugs and kisses, ya sordid old fruit.  I expect it's nearly time for Matlock and a couple of caps of Maalox, eh? 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:20 | 5056255 robertocarlos
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The bread looks really good.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:51 | 5056413 Canucklehead
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Thanks for playing...
JohninMK - 9 weeks 2 days
Boogity - 12 weeks 4 days
Anarchy 99 - 1 week 6 days
Duffy - 11 weeks 5 days
Potato - 12 weeks 5 days

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 20:32 | 5056727 Winston Churchill
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Better than 4 + years here, and having learnt absolutely fuck all.

Did you inherit you account, because you're obviously wasting your time here .

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:31 | 5056028 craus
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Yee haw. Bring the Cold War back. Thars money to be made son.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 17:50 | 5056114 potato
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A good question to ask is whether these ships carry any missiles that cannot be shot down by S3/400 ?

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:03 | 5056174 WTFUD
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I yearn for the day of those Audie Murphy films

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:03 | 5056176 ramacers
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hey vlad! ready the nukes algos and stiffen the spine. the neocons and their puppet barry are comin' for ya.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 19:14 | 5056503 observiate
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sorry bubba, barry is not the neocons' puppet.  the neocons are quivering in their boots of being accused of racism, so i'd say the best characterization is that barry has the neocons bent over a barrel real nice like.  you can imagine the rest.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:15 | 5056229 robertocarlos
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So they sailed all the way home. Bought new underwear. And now they are coming back for more excitement.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:20 | 5056251 dsty
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gonna sink the bismark to the bottom of the sea

boom boom boom boom

boom boom boom boom

lets play nazi

your the nazi now

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 18:31 | 5056305 Seize Mars
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Fucking idiots will be offered as a human sacrifice. Watch for some calendar numerology. False flag waiting to happen.
To all US military types: you're not being commanded by Americans, you idiots. Walk off the job. Your promised pension does not exist. Just walk away.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 19:12 | 5056493 observiate
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it's hard to carry speak softly and carry a big stick when you're a president full of pompous bullshit who can't quit running his mouth. 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 19:36 | 5056566 syntaxterror
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speak softy = gay as fuck
carry a big stick = reggie's dildo

 

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 19:24 | 5056530 Bankster Kibble
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As long as USA and NATO follow the Montreux convention, it's business as usual.  They can cruise up and down and beat their chests but I'm not going to worry while they very carefully act within the rules.  If we get a lot of USA ships there for more than 21 days, then look out.

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 20:27 | 5056711 22winmag
Wed, 08/06/2014 - 21:12 | 5056847 tony wilson
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the clinical obese in walmart

startin to chatter about putin new hitler.

the russian who hates us  and maybe the jews.

these shuffling team americans

these gmo corn syrup mountains in sport outfit

spandex.

have they even heard of the uss liberty

and even the few that have probably think saddam hussein did it.

 

never forget the demonic nature of the knesset,the empire of the city of london and the jew bankers of new york.

incoming

torah torah torah

and the big bang bloody talmud

Wed, 08/06/2014 - 21:33 | 5056935 americanspirit
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I feel compelled to keep making this point - why does anyone think that the next war will be fought with weapons that go boom, no matter how impressive those weapons are. There are quite a few far more effective chemical and biological weapons - effective because they can kill millions and spread panic and chaos lasting for years afterwards before anyone realizes that a weapon has been used, and even then they don't leave any proof of who used them, unlike an ICBM whose origin is immediately obvious.

Even computerized infrastructure attacks leave a trail back to whoever launches such an attack, but nasty little bugs are untraceable unless the victim can somehow get into the labs where the bugs were weaponized. Which of course will not be possible. So the victim nation will be left with suspicions but no actionable intelligence.

There were four horsemen of the apocalypse, and while one was war, another was pestilence.

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