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Checkers Vs Chess: The Reason Europe Is Imploding On "Russian" Sanctions

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The West's leaders are full of lawyers, Putin is ex-KGB. If ever there was an example of him playing chess while the West plays checkers, the following chart is it. Despite Western protestations that its sanctions will hurt Russia more than Europe this morning, one look at Europe's huge net trade balance with Russia for food and it's clear who is really going to feel the pain. As Martin Armstrong noted previously, "Putin has responded to [Western] sanctions as any really smart chess-player would - you get the supporters of your adversary to jump-ship." What better way to crack the 'stop-Putin' alliance than to force Europe into trade deficits and squeeze their economies (especially Germany)?

 

Chart h/t S.M.

Source: Eurostat

 

Russia is by far Europe's largest net export partner for food.. and that highlighted column is about to disappear through Russian sanctions, likely pressing Europe into a trade deficit.

Chess vs Checkers indeed...

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As an aside, it is not just Europe that Putin is pressuring, he is trying to turn US industry against President Obama also...

Following the sanctions against Dobrolet - the budget Russian airline - Putin has responded by making a 16-plane deal with Boeing for the airline.

Russian flag carrier Aeroflot's low-cost arm Dobrolet has signed a contract with America’s Boeing to deliver 16 new planes, despite suspending flights due to Western sanctions.

 

Beginning in 2017 the company will receive 16 Boeing 737-800 airliners, after a leasing deal for two similar aircraft fell through due to sanctions, Russian media reported Wednesday.

 

"From 2017 on there will be deliveries directly from the factory in Seattle. Yesterday we signed an agreement for the delivery of 16 new aircraft in 2017-2018 and paid a deposit," Dobrolet CEO Andrei Kalmykov said in an interview with Gazeta.ru.

 

On August 3, Dobrolet announced it was suspending flights after it was sanctioned by the EU because it flew between Crimea and Russia.

Of course, we are sure Ex-Im Bank will also help - but wait until President Obama tries to stall Boeing from delivering...

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Chess vs Checkers...

 

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Thu, 08/07/2014 - 19:53 | 5061996 cowdiddly
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And he has not even gotten around to the, how you guys gonna cook the food part.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 19:59 | 5062050 knukles
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...ah, in exchange for gold or rubles....

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:04 | 5062073 nidaar
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"What better way to crack the 'stop-Putin' alliance than to force Europe into trade deficits and squeeze their economies (especially Germany)?"

Just wait for the winter EU, then you'll be squeezed by the balls...

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:33 | 5062131 Ignatius
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<---More Paul Craig Roberts

<---Less Martin Armstrong

Fight club.  Imagine we're in Lou's basement and this is a editorial meeting with Tyler.

Me, bleeding badly, "But Tyler, we really like ZH, man. We like this place."

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:35 | 5062255 ZerOhead
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I say "More of both"

 

 

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:37 | 5062266 Ignatius
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If by both you mean Martin can sniff Paul's ass to check the wind direction.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:40 | 5062276 ZerOhead
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Martin launches more turds this way to be sure yet he still hits the occassional one out of the park.

I say "Send it ALL this way" and let 'Fight Club' separate the wheat from the chaff.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:40 | 5062283 Ignatius
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Fair 'nuff.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:44 | 5062304 ZerOhead
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Plus eventually you would sorely miss the humorous and exfoliating retorts...

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:56 | 5062370 0b1knob
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"Putin has responded to [Western] sanctions as any really smart chess-player would - you get the supporters of your adversary to jump-ship."

Chess is a team sport?   A metaphor from somebody how probably can't play chess at all.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:05 | 5062420 ZerOhead
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While everybody has their 'shorts in a bunch' with sanctions over the Russian annexation of Crimea and it's naval bases I read an article from 2013 that indicated BRITAIN of all countries was considering declaring the land around it's Trident sub bases in Scotland as...

Wait for it...

Sovereign British Territory in the event that the Scottish vote for independance succeeds.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/jul/10/mod-trident-scotland-inde...

You can't just make this shit up.

 

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:07 | 5062439 Ignatius
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Good catch.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 23:37 | 5063296 Elvis the Pelvis
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Putin's a pole-smoker.  He'll break and eventually cry like a girl.  Bitchez.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 03:07 | 5063783 Latina Lover
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You must be confusing Barry Bath House Obama  with Putin.  Unlike the pervert in the WH who would rather suck Reggies Pole, Putin LOVES the challenge.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 06:50 | 5064002 fx
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"the west going astray...

 great cartoon of Germany's top business daily!

http://tinyurl.com/m7aeu6h

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 06:00 | 5063937 barre-de-rire
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elvis, putin is not the black playing golf, he is the other guy.... the white one

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:54 | 5062724 logicalman
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If the world we live in was presented as a work of fiction, nobody would take it seriously.

I try not to take the world seriously. When I do, I start to drink - then I don't take the world seriously.

Thank fuck for ethanol!

 

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 08:29 | 5064277 Two dogs
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If the Scots do vote for independence they'll be labeled rebels.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 08:32 | 5064293 Ghordius
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so? Americans were labeled so by the British. and?

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 02:54 | 5063757 laomei
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Yes, Chess is a team sport.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:43 | 5062634 Escrava Isaura
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Unfortunately, many of you don’t get it!

By AnAnonymous,

It is somehow different. 'American' lieutnants(european countries) to the 'american' ganglord(the US) can no longer make the job of keeping outsiders like Russia, China and India outside the turves perimeter, so the ganglord must step in and take charge.

Indeed, as lieutnants are relieved of their charge because of their unproficiency, they also lose their privileged access to their former turves.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:56 | 5062735 logicalman
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Humans should have stayed hunter-gatherers.

Thieving elites only became possible with agriculture.

 

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 22:08 | 5062809 Escrava Isaura
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You get rethink that thought... You ought to know it's too simplistic.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 23:14 | 5063168 ZerOhead
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Bonus points for you my friend.

It is also when land was cleared for agriculture and raising livestock. Then boundary lines were created and territory was OWNED by individuals with power rather than the people of the tribe.

Next came the chieftains, priests and kings.

Then the bankers and politicians....

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 23:38 | 5063245 Escrava Isaura
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That's right!

And all is about to collapse. And some misinformed commentators here are worried about details.

How counterproductive and stupid!

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 05:06 | 5063885 Lea
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logicalman, that's simply not true. In America (the real one, the one before whiteys knew it even existed), you had Sioux hunting territory, Apache hunting territory, Iroquois hunting territory, and so forth. And then, wars to defend territories.

Humans are territorial animals.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:56 | 5062383 Spitzer
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More Stephen H Cohen

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:02 | 5062405 Ignatius
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The Russian expert, I presume.

Goddamn, Spitz, we actually agree on something.  Spooky.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:13 | 5062138 smlbizman
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when i was in high school....there was this little guy....some how he got into a beef with this big guy....the big guy kicked his ass......the next day the little guy went and kicked the big guys little brothers ass.....the big guy didnt fuck with him again......

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:15 | 5062139 El Vaquero
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Or even Euros.  So long as it isn't dollars.  If Putin wants to turn Europe, he will do so more easily if he is somewhat accommodative.  If I were him, I wouldn't even outright bar USD sales of energy.  I would just jack up the dollar price and settle in other currencies at a discount over the dollar.  The illusion of choice would make it easier to swallow.  

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:19 | 5062509 cro_maat
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El Vac - I have been thinking this is the strategy for the coming winter.

I am putting together a small farm with a couple of Hungarians and was thinking the other day that any excess produce, meat or cheese would be priced very high in fiat but very cheap in silver coin. Will be interesting to see how many customers I can get to purchase silver in order to take advantage of the deep discounts.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 22:05 | 5062791 Escrava Isaura
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cro_maat,

Forget silver. You're already doing the right thing. Just make sure your land has plenty of underground water.

Check the post below. I think you will find it interesting.

Walter Haugen Says:
September 26th, 2013 at 6:13 pm

Check out Joseph Tainter’s “The Collapse of Complex Societies” or my book “The Laws of Physics Are On My Side.” Tainter introduces marginal returns as the basis of his argument and it is relevant to your own. If the marginal returns fall below 1:1, it doesn’t matter if you have a high throughput (American empire today) or a relatively low throughput (Rome circa 100 AD). It is still relative to your input/output.

Per my book, what we are doing now is replacing cultural behavior with massive doses of fossil fuel energy. Once we run short of cheap oil energy (either by price or supply) we have to constrict our energy use. If we don’t we get dieoff.

Your solar business is still dependent on cheap oil, whether in the embedded energy of the infrastructure or just getting the workers to the jobsite and factory. My farming is also slightly dependent on fossil fuel energy, as I use 10 gallons of gasoline and my labor to grow 10,000 pounds of food per year. However, in my case I am 25-35 times more efficient than industrial agriculture, measured by input/output analysis.

I am no fan of Greer, as I find him arrogant and wordy. However, he did hit on a winner with catabolic collapse. As for Diamond, he is the only one I have heard who understands the role of the 1st and 2nd derivative in plotting the inflection point where marginal returns change sign. Tainter alludes to this but doesn’t even use the term “inflection point” in his analysis. As for Kunstler, he has looked at the problem in depth and his “World Made by Hand” books look at the sociological effects – and are a good read too.

http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/when-ephemeralization-is-hard-to-tell-from-catabolic-collapse/2013/09/19

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 22:20 | 5062877 BlindMonkey
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I like the link. Solid concepts. Thanks!

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 22:22 | 5062894 Escrava Isaura
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Glad that helped.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 23:02 | 5063132 El Vaquero
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Back in the 1880s, a packet of seed cost one silver dime.  If you have the food and if you have seeds that will germinate and you have the means to hold onto it, the silver will come to you.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 23:04 | 5063144 Escrava Isaura
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Well made point!

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:20 | 5062510 cro_maat
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Twofer all day :)

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:04 | 5062070 Zirpedge
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Outrage as Russian hackers put on racist lazer light show on US embassy in Moscow.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Be2r1pDJY#t=54

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:05 | 5062089 knukles
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Datz razzizt... and funny shit, too.
Was it the Iranians who, when he first got into office called him a house n*##^r? 

Diplomatic speak for we only kinda like you.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:27 | 5062169 ZerOhead
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< Obama is performing felatio on a banana

< Obama is just getting a banana for his birthday

Are they trying to portray Obama as being gay and performing simulated felatio on the banana or are they trying to say Happy Birthday here's a nice banana for the monkey?

Either way that shit is nasty (yet slightly hillarious) as Obama's finger slowly moves over the flashing red 'fire' button.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 06:32 | 5063983 Urban Redneck
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If the display was intended to mean Obama was actually eating a banana, the image would be reversed and he would be eating it from the other end...

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:48 | 5062335 lasvegaspersona
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While the banana implies racism, swallowing the banana...das homophobic.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:52 | 5062359 WillyGroper
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Who's outraged?

I permanently bookmarked it for shits & giggles I tells ya.

Hackers? Really?

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 00:02 | 5063391 Freddie
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Why would they buy Boeing planes?   They are filled with spyware and drone ware so they can be flown to Diego Garcia or hijacked for false flags by MIC.  Junk aerospace crap.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 19:53 | 5061997 doctor10
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Fatuous Ivy League girly men sending out their women, and poofters in the state dept to negotiate deals with adversaries and allies.  Definitley the conduct and bearing of an empire.  What could go wrong?

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:02 | 5062058 knukles
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Jen Paski and John Kerry?

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:04 | 5062074 Miss Expectations
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The girly men bother me...but so do the State Dept spokesmodels...Marie Harf and Jen Psaki...I stare at them and listen...stunned by their outrageous lying, truth dodging ways.

 

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:17 | 5062152 El Vaquero
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The first thing that pops into my head every single time I see Psaki is "sorority slut."  She just looks the part.

 

Marie Harf is a disingenuous fucking cow.  

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:06 | 5062430 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

The first thing that pops into my head every single time I see Psaki is "sorority slut."  She just looks the part.

Yeah, and it must have been one of "those" sororities (and no, I don't mean lesbian) at one of the connected schools. A sorority for political go-getters.

That's how she got this job. Her bosses HorseAssFace and Cookie Tosser know she'll willingly tell the most outrageous lies and never break down and tell the truth. This is because her special sorority for the politically ambitious has certain "initiation rites", videos of which are kept in multiple secret vaults, involving mating with a rottweiler, a doberman, and a mastiff.

Marie Harf is a disingenuous fucking cow.

"Listen, cow, just 'cause you got them big udders don't mean you're somethin' special! Get the hook! Go fuck yourself for all I care! Yeah, go fuck yourself!"
-- Earl Peterson

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 23:20 | 5063200 Bollixed
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I gotta go with the titties on this one. Both of them are one to two baggers...

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 23:23 | 5063226 Jack Burton
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I'de like to see those two go down on eachother. Seriously, I would like to see that very much. And then I can join in. Other than sex, these two lying bitches are just another paid loud mouthed whores.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 19:55 | 5062007 NOTaREALmerican
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As long as nothing happens when I'm in France during September,  I'm good with all this dick-swingin'. 

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:02 | 5062064 db51
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Putin's dick isn't swinging...it's standing straight up at attention.   The only time Obama has a dick is if it's in his ass, or you're talking about Moochelle.   European dicks aren't long enough to swing.....if they even have dicks, so they just swing their imaginary dicks.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:06 | 5062091 ihedgemyhedges
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No Europeans have dicks? I'll be damned. I thought Merkel and Lagarde were pushing 8 or 9 inches at least......

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:13 | 5062140 db51
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If Merkel were a male, he'd be so fugly the only pussy he'd be getting would be from one of those Phillipine Match Making Sites.   As for Lagarde, she looks like she pushed more than her share of inches.....with her face when they were dick slapping it.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:16 | 5062148 db51
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My wife just read my comments over my shoulder and said I should be ashamed of myself.   She's probably right.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:22 | 5062183 WeNeedaRealGovt
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I BET YOU HAVE A WIFE, GAYBOY SPENDING A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT OTHER MEN'S PENIS. GO FAG SOMEWHERE ELSE.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 23:21 | 5063213 Bollixed
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Wow, you're really emotionally tied into that. Methinks you're hiding from the mirror.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 22:24 | 5062912 BlindMonkey
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She is the twin of the former governor and current candidate Charlie Christ. Same frame, head and rent a tan. They are equally androgynous as well. Scary really.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:24 | 5062095 knukles
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But Frenchwomen shave their balls

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:16 | 5062485 TheFourthStooge-ing
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That's because nobody else will.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:24 | 5062193 WeNeedaRealGovt
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I ALWAYS KNEW GOP FAGS WERE COMMUNIST RED ASSHOLES. I BET DB51 WOULD RATHER BLOW GAY PUTIN THAN BE WITH ANY FEMALE. YOU JUST OUTTED YOURSELF AS THE TYPICAL HOMO GOP CUMSLUT.

WHAT A GAYBOY, CRYIN' FANTISIZES OVER PUTIN'S DICK. I BET YOU BLOW YOURSELF. LEAVE THE USA AND DON'T COME BACK, BITCH! DAMN SO MUCH LOVE FOR PUTIN?

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:00 | 5062400 Spitzer
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Look at you ... Standing there with your CAPS on, like a sucked off cock

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:07 | 5062440 JamesBond
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Reaction Formation?

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 19:57 | 5062028 ebworthen
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I think I'll mosey on down to the liquor store and buy some Stolichnaya.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:02 | 5062065 Anusocracy
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Tried finding Baltika beer locally. No go.

Nearest store carrying it is 70 miles away.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltika_Breweries

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:20 | 5062166 WeNeedaRealGovt
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I ALWAYS KNEW GOP FAGS WERE COMMUNIST RED ASSHOLES.  I BET ANUSOCRACY WOULD RATHER BLOW GAY PUTIN THAN BE WITH ANY FEMALE.  YOU JUST OUTTED YOURSELF AS THE TYPICAL HOMO GOP CUMSLUT.  

WHAT A GAYBOY, CRYIN' CUZ HE CAN'T GFIND HIS COMMIE BEER.  I BET YOU BLOW YOURSELF.  LEAVE THE USA AND DON'T COME BACK, BITCH!

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:57 | 5062358 oudinot
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DB51:  I always found that the guys who were 'homophobes'- always wanting to make fun of them, beat them up -were all latent homosexuals themselves.  They were unconsciously attracted, so uncounsciously they were  disgusted with themselves, projected fear and loathing fear towards the 'other'  as an ego defense mechanism.  The same with all the goofs here on ZH who talk about Barak Obama's 'Reggie' and alleged homosexual tendencies.  This is no way to communicate political thought and discussion.  Why use childish terms?  Who gives a fuck if someone is homosexual? This type of adolecent behaviour is antithetical to intelligent debate. 

Don't get me wrong, Obama is useless at best, dangerous at worst  but his sexaulity is abslutely irrelevent.

Every Roman Emperor , with the only exclusion of Claudius (reigned 41-55 AD), till 181 AD (200 years)was bisexual and many of them were fine rulers.

Finally, logically, if a man was truly heterosexual, like myself, he would welcome as many male gays as possible into the population:  because the more male gays there are out there the less competition there is for the coveted heterosexual females.

When I see more ' homosexual' bashing on here I will go after the dumbkofs who unwittingly display their latent homsexual tendencies.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:09 | 5062450 JamesBond
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She is trolling for attention today.  Let her be.  

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 16:30 | 5067361 Anusocracy
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It's too stupid to understand Baltika is a Russian beer but the company is a subsidiary of Carlsberg.

Typical neocon with a zero IQ.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:33 | 5062585 doctor10
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It is not "homosexual bashing" or "chauvinism" to debate that the world's greatest empire was rapidly led to its downfall consequent to sending the likes of Amb Christopher Stevens-a homosexual -to Benghazi, and for 10 years insisting that both Condoleeza Rice and Hillary Clinton were capable of adequately representing American interests in a part of the world where most men still regard women as property-or even worse.

Bear in mind that in Benghazi (Libya) -this is what happens to gays-"In November 2012, an extremist group claiming to be a part of Libya’s Ministry of the Interior raided a private party in a suburb outside of Tripoli and arrested 12 gay men who were then threatened with mutilation and possible execution."

The sheer presumptive arrogance defines how disengaged from reality the American leadership class has become.-that this sort of representation of American interests in that part of the world somehow passes for diplomacy.  We will all reap the consequences of this politically correct Ivy League foolishness.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 22:17 | 5062859 Escrava Isaura
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oudinot, doctor10,

What are you two smoking?

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 07:43 | 5064132 StychoKiller
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Whatever it is, it sure activates paranoia brain circuits!

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 08:00 | 5064029 oudinot
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Homosexaul bashing" does not have a role in international politics and your idea that one should use men exclusively for foreign policy just  illustrates your own homosexual latency  and intellectual paucity with your meagre examples.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 06:50 | 5064006 Urban Redneck
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Hey queer- lighten up! We bust on all varieties of loser here, and twice on Sunday, or when they propagate ludicrous and contradictory myths that certain groups of people are inherently equal, yet in need of protected class status.

BTW - if you want to stay in the closet that's fine. Most people here really couldn't care less, but avoid statements like, "logically, if a man was truly heterosexual, like myself..."

Speaking of stereotypes, I need to get back to my gay european lunch break...

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 07:59 | 5064166 oudinot
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So you call me 'queer', nice.  

Obviously you have 'sexuality issuesl and you do not have the intellectual ammunition to frame logical, cogent arguments so you employ adolescent name calling to fill in your vacuity..

I bet 747 to donuts if you were standing nsxt to me you would not have the courage to call me queer to my face.

If 'most people here' really couldn't care less' why is there so much talk about homosexuals on this blog? You make absolutelyno sense.

 

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 09:41 | 5064780 Urban Redneck
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Where can I collect my 747 donuts?

The only things people really care enough to hate here are bankers, fascists, corruptocrats, fiat currency, and low PM prices.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 10:16 | 5064983 oudinot
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Come to Northern Canada and I will give you a 747 after you   call me a 'queer': I slap you around a bit , you  begin to weep , and  I feel guilty about the assault.......

If one is truly saving, investing, acrruing PM's one should be joyful about 'low PM prices'.  

For a PM speculator or someone like myself developing gold mines, 'low PM prices' are quite bitchable.......

 

 

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 10:58 | 5065231 Urban Redneck
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If you're developing gold mines, then you know damn well that the price of gold is far from the largest problem with the industries' financing models.

As for NorCal, I prefer to avoid the State subsidized troglodyte TSA & CBP fags. But if you want to take your 747 to Zürich or Accra I'll be happy to call you a queer to your face. I haven't lost a real fight since I was young and dumb, drunk of my ass, and outnumbered 10 to 1, and unfortunately, I don't really drink anymore, but I can at least be courteous and offer you some papers for mineral rights in Ashanti to wipe the blood of your ass after I get done ripping you a new one.

Cheers!

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 11:33 | 5065447 oudinot
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You sound really tough.

Come to Northern Canada, call me a 'queer' and we will see what you can do.

In my experience,  guys who trash talk are much more proficient with their mouths than their fists.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 12:14 | 5065619 Urban Redneck
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On, the little queer's feelings are hurt... you can't even make it five weeks in Fight Club without throwing a temper tantrum. How could you possibly maintain a job much less be successful in business, or did your queer daddy give you everything on silver platter?

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 15:07 | 5066836 oudinot
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Whatever.

Either come to Canada or desist  calling me 'queer'.

If you persist  insulting me, it means nothing, won't bother to respond as you will be , "Big hat, no cattle" ,like most of your American brethen.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 15:45 | 5067061 Urban Redneck
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Dem interwebz has da freedumb of speech.

Get over it, or you won't last here.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 07:36 | 5069340 oudinot
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No more homophobic  insults, that's better. 

It wasn't that hard was it?

Good boy.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 12:36 | 5069974 Urban Redneck
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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Choke on it, faggot.

The future has already been written, and the imperative of access to resources dictates what the outcome will be, both in law and in practice.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 21:30 | 5071491 IronForge
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"Come to Northern Canada and I will give you a 747 after you call me a 'queer': I slap you around a bit , you  begin to weep , and  I feel guilty about the assault......." 

<SARCASTIC PSYCHOANALYSIS MODE>

I'm don't know Urban enough to take on an argument for him; but from reading this thread, I have to say that I'm sorry, oudinot.  Your prose appear to betray the claims you've made regarding your Heterosexuality and Manhood. 

First, "give you a 747" imply that you're going to (according to the Urban dictionary) knock him down by blindsiding him.  Not very manly or courageous.  Men would say, "I'll take you down", "Knock you down", "Deck your Ass", "Smite you where you stand", etc.

Second, "I slap you around a bit" - imply you're going to Bitchslap a man you've allgedly blindsided.  Are you afraid of harrming your knucles, or your (manicured, decorated, or possibly augmented) nails?  Men would either pummle with their Fists or if trained in Martial Arts, strike with an open hand.  Those trained to enable Lethal Force upon others may be restricted to inflicting pain by other means (suppression holds).

Third, "I feel guilty about the assault" - imply remorse for rebuking/smiting someone who mocked your masculinity. Men just don't.  Men might regret being thrown in Jail or suffering any legal consequences.

Fourth, the entire sequence alternately imply an session of domestic violence a Male would have with a Female.  Now, this may be an attempt to emasculate Urban in such a narrative; but the act itself is one of Cowardice - and there's nothing Manly about slapping a helpless Woman around a room.  That's what Women do to each other, or Queering Trannies tend to do to Women they argue with in notorious Bar Fights we occasionally hear about. 

<SIDBAR> I once had to debrief and restrict a Sailor brought back to the Ship anchored offshore by the Local Police for being caught in a Cat Fight btwn a Bar Hag and a Trannie.  Initially, the Sailor was making advances on the Trannie when he "discovered a surprise package"; and moved on to another, older Woman perched at the Bar.  The Tranny became jealous, harassed the pair, and proceeded to slap the Hag around.  The Sailor tried the stop the two; but lacked the strength to do so and therefore was entagled when the Police arrived.

I find the correlation of your "Tough Talk Narrative" Points and my Trannie/Hag Anectdote not only entertaining; but intriguing.
</SIDEBAR>

I understand that the Logging Industry is prevalent in Northern Canada.  Do you like to Work all Day; and Drink all Night?  Do you Cut down Trees and Eat your Lunch?  Do you go shopping on Wednesdays; and have Scones and Tea?  Do you like to wear Women's Clothing, just like your Dear Mama?

Then - you may be a Model Citizen - fit to sing along with your National Anthem, "The Lumberjack Song"...

</SARC PSYCH>

My apologies to hardworking Canadians and Lumberjacks.  Since some of you dog TEAM_USA and other enttities with me here on ZH, an occasional undeserved ration was shoveled in your direction via this user.


Sat, 08/09/2014 - 22:22 | 5071571 IronForge
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BTW, before you threaten to Bitchslap me - I'm an ex-Wrestler, Powerlifter, Boxer and Martial Artist.

I'm out of shape now; but I'm usually stronger than 99% of the General Population, Fitness Center Population, and more Hand-2-Hand capable than 99% of the Population. I can take out people stronger than I and brutally overpower those with better MA Skills with no Problem - save that depending on the nature and intent of the assault, what I inflict might be permanent.

I have no remorse in Self (or community) Defense situation when lives are at stake.  I may have second/conflicting thoughts btwn improving the efficiency and effectiveness of my moves versus taking the time to inflict the pain in such a manner that it would be unforgettably dear, deep, costly, and permanent to the Body and Soul; but I'm sure things will pan out in the end.  ROTFL!! 

Every Boxing/Martial Arts Instructor type I've ever trained has vebally warned others about engaging with me. 

Two of my Favorites is when an Academy Instructor saw me ShadowBox for a minute after I finished the Intermural Season; and called me over to Validate me for the Class.  "I'm validating your Ass. I'm not going to give you a Test - you'll kill someone; and

When I took a sample Krav Maga Class, the Police Instructor looked at me from a distance when some fag stalker was spreading rumors (story of my life, some gays stalking for years from a distance) was talking to him. His response, 'No.  That guy's a F***'ing Killer".  Pisser is that they won't teach the Heavy Duty stuff unless you're in Law Enforcement. 

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:40 | 5062630 ebworthen
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I wish I could blow myself.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:53 | 5062361 teslaberry
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never drink beer sold in plastic bottles. i bought a baltika once, never again. tastes like chemicals. which explains the ludicrously cheap price for a non refrigerated beer sold in plastic bottles. 

 

only americans would buy that trash, and the russians know it. there's no way they sell that shit in europe. 

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:24 | 5062543 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

I think I'll mosey on down to the liquor store and buy some Stolichnaya.

You might want to read the label before you do:

"If bought outside of Russia, the product is produced by the SPI Group and the label reads: Premium Vodka, produced and bottled in Latvia for SPI Group and is labeled as Imported Premium Vodka."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolichnaya

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 07:47 | 5064136 StychoKiller
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Hmm, my bottle of Stoli sez "imported from the USSR!"  I don't drink hard liquor all that much anymore.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 19:57 | 5062033 general ambivalent
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But the TV said Russia will look like the Soviet Union did in crisis, instantly in fact...

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:04 | 5062071 knukles
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... and then procede to show 17 minutes of paste and cut 1950's and 60's photos of East Berlin and Prague a la 1968...

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 19:58 | 5062040 WTFUD
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No this is not a long winded article:-

It all goes back to my great great great great grandfather, well he, blah blah blah . . . . .

Then came my great great great . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Now plant yer bulbs . . . .

FUCK YOU OBAMA!

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:04 | 5062081 buzzsaw99
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Russia is the EU's third most important trading partner, after the US and China, accounting for 7% of EU imports and 12% of exports.

85% of EU exports were manufactured goods and 75% of imports was energy... http://www.neurope.eu/article/eu-russia-trade-record-high-2012

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:55 | 5062355 ZerOhead
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If I remember correctly European manufactured goods provide well paying (if not somewhat overpaid) jobs.

Gas pipelines once in place... not so much.

 

Good thing the European recovery is so strong or eventually this kind of trade war might begin to sting. I'm sure the Airbus Industries order book is full anyway.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:07 | 5062101 WeNeedaRealGovt
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THIS SITE MUST BE VIEWED BY COMMUNISTS! YOU FUCKIN IDIOT WANT US TO FAIL, FUCK YOU!

YEAH, OBAMA CANNOT POSSIBLY FIX ALL OF THE PROBLEMS "W" LEFT, BUT HEY YOU GUYS CHEERED MISSION IMPOSSIBLE, DIDN'T YA?

NOW YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT DEBT AND DEFICITS.  LOOK IN THE MIRROR IF YOU DID AND SAY "FUCK YOU" FOR ME. HAHAHA FOOLS.

GO AHEAD AND LICK PUTIN'S ASS WHILE YOUR AT IT.  PUTIN LOST UKRAINE, IS THAT CHESS? NOW YOU THINK HE'S WINNING WHEN HE CANNOT DO BUSINESS WITH ANYONE BUT HIS SCUMBAG FRIENDS IN CHINA?  WAIT UNTIL CHINA GETS A WHIF OF LOST BUSINESS WITH THE US.

GO KISS THE ASSHOLE OF YOUR HERO COMMIE PUTIN, SEEMS MANY HERE HAVE ALREADY, AM I RIGHT? 

GO TO YOUR LOCAL BAR AND ADMIT IT AND YOU'LL GET YOUR ASS KICKED, DOUCHEBAGS ALL OF YA.

 

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:13 | 5062133 One And Only
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....Obama voter.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:15 | 5062144 WeNeedaRealGovt
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NO ASSHOLE, I JUST THINK THIS GAY-MAN SITE IS FOR FAGS AND GOP ASSHOLES WHO ARE SO STUPID THEY DON'T NO IT.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:25 | 5062200 knukles
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.... ah, he just forgot the "sarcs".... otherwise he's a pretty solid guy....

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:31 | 5062233 One And Only
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Agreed.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:44 | 5062311 WeNeedaRealGovt
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KNICKS - YOU COMMENTS AND NEGS(-) ARE JUST KILLING ME.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:47 | 5062667 Escrava Isaura
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WeNeedaRealGovt,

Go easy, Cowboy!

Name calling and clichés are counterproductive.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 01:32 | 5063647 BlindMonkey
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Let him be. It is all he has.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:27 | 5062205 InTheLandOfTheBlind
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You need to work up on your reading comprehension skills if you don't want to sound like a fucktard.   

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:45 | 5062316 WeNeedaRealGovt
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SERIOUSLY, ARE YOU GUYS IN HIGH SCHOOL?  REMINDS ME OF FOX AND FRIENDS.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:43 | 5062646 Shad_ow
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Are you Barack or do you just get your talking points from him?

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:29 | 5062206 InTheLandOfTheBlind
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.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:33 | 5062244 Occams_Chainsaw
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"WHO ARE SO STUPID THEY DON'T NO IT"

I'd point out that you meant 'know it' but I guess you are too 'smert' for that sort of thing.  LMAO@U......

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:41 | 5062288 One And Only
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He's just trolling. Let him have his fun.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:48 | 5062332 WeNeedaRealGovt
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YOU ACTUALLY "PROOF" YOUR POSTS?  DO YOU FOLD YOUR UNDERWEAR TOO?  YOU GUYS SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN BARS FOR MEN?  YOU DO KNOW THAT YOUR COMMENTS SHOW AN AMAZING INDICATION OF ANAL, DON'T YOU?

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:12 | 5062465 JamesBond
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Yet another sign of reaction formation.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:36 | 5062264 PeterLemonJello
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"SO STUPID THEY DON'T NO IT."

 

Ummmmmm, yeahhhhhh, I'm not even going to comment.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 00:10 | 5063416 GoldenDonuts
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I just have too.

You would say NO when you are refusing something.   I believe that in your rant you meant to say Know. 

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 08:24 | 5064249 swmnguy
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I sea what you did there.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:22 | 5062180 El Vaquero
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Ukraine is a trap that if Russia springs it, WWIII might very well happen you dumb fuck.  We went in there and destabilized it so that we could install a puppet government.  Considering that I can name the targets in my neck of the woods that will get hit by Russian thermonuclear warheads, I'm all for just letting Russia manage matters in its own back yard.  This is none of our fucking business.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:27 | 5062208 WeNeedaRealGovt
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EL VAQ, WHEN MCCAIN SPOUTED HIS HORN YOU PROBABLY CLAPPED.  ARE YOU ANOTHER GOP LOVER?  

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:31 | 5062239 El Vaquero
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McCain is a fucking cunt.  So are you, except you're even dumber than McCain.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:49 | 5062338 WeNeedaRealGovt
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OUCH!

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:23 | 5062182 valley chick
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11 weeks 5 days.....move along clueless troll.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:51 | 5062352 WeNeedaRealGovt
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VALLEY CHICK IS A CROSS DRESSER - I KNEW THIS SITE WAS FOR FAGS.  WHAT AN ECH CHAMBER A LA FAUX NEWS.

VALLE - YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS GOT SOME SERIOUS ANAL RETENTION GOING ON.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:18 | 5062496 WAMO556
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TROLL Alert!

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 01:43 | 5063663 Things that go bump
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Your mother was a female impersonator.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:18 | 5062492 oudinot
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Pray tell; how did Putin lose the Ukraine?

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:33 | 5062572 WTFUD
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@ WeNeed Who is ' US ' DIPSHIT? If you are one of them Banker Toy Boys then i feel your Ass Pain Bruv.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:49 | 5062663 Escrava Isaura
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WTFUD,

Meaningless cliché!

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:48 | 5062681 FredFlintstone
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REGGIE?

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 07:49 | 5064138 StychoKiller
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Methinks yer keyboard is broken!

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:08 | 5062110 stant
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If I was Putin I would dig up every tank even t 54 I could find and put them west of the Austrian river vally. Then take the Ukraine. Ain't no 7, 4, 5th us armour backed by ac to say no. Average German tankers about 35+

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:12 | 5062122 WeNeedaRealGovt
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stant, WHY DON'T YOU GO ENLIST IN THE RED ARMY SINCE YOUR SUCH A COMMIE SLUT, BITCH!  FUCK YOU AND YOUR ADVICE FOR PUTIN.

YOU ALREADY LICKED HIS BALLS.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:35 | 5062210 stant
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Ain't no good guys in this story, don't like Putin or Obama . Just a southerner who's read history . By the way our family is 7 th armour and 1 st marine. So screw you on the down vote. Ps I was giving a heads up to you and zh, this guy knows history and got balls

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:00 | 5062401 WeNeedaRealGovt
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"Just a southerner who's read history ."  SERIOUSLY, YOU'RE PROUD OF THAT?  

I did write that before your post about your service.  Sincere apologies.  It seems the southerner when voting is often politically wrong, hence the overwhelming red vote.  Having lived in the south I know you're not all millionaires.  But I cannot think of anywhere else where so many servicemen have been screwed more by the False Flagging GOP than in the south.  Individually you're all amazing, but today the states that need the ACA the most are not getting it.  Just look at the uninsured rate in KY.  Then compare it NC, LA etc.  

You who argue on this site seem to forget that the people being cheated out of insurance are you friends and family.  And if you live in one of those states, your actually funding the Blue states, while your hospitals close and your local property taxes increase.

No harm and nothing personal meant by my posts.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:35 | 5062568 stant
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Moot point when ww3 is here because of sovreign debt crisis. Won't tell you what my 20 something sons and I have been working on. But Obamacare or any thing federal gov isnt a thought But I wil tell you that I had a conversation with a very high up in ky st gov about honey bees. Ps we have tanks

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:59 | 5062757 WeNeedaRealGovt
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I have a bee farm in the family.  Very quiet and nervous on that front.  I agree the shit hits the fan soon and not looking forward to the particular shit this time.  Good luck with the tanks.

We got here with a series of incompetent fucks (still)running the country. But up until GOP and W moronic moves I thought we had a chance.  I'm sure those here like to blame the VA on Obama, but the GOP were warned and then denied ALL measures to prepare.  Look at how they voted on the VA funding over the last 10 years, and tell me you want a GOP pol having your back!  

I hate the Dems but at least they build roads and bridges hospitals and provide those with less a minimum safety net.  Compare that to the Christie(R-NJ) crony bullshit.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:49 | 5062686 FredFlintstone
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ACA is an example of being cheated BY insurance.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:33 | 5062534 Escrava Isaura
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Did anyone say history?

“United States is becoming a failed state, and thus a danger to its own people and the world.” – Noam Chomsky, 2006

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:58 | 5062390 stant
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Also my father watched as a fellow tanker ran across and took the newspaper of a Russian tank if you know what that means. He said at that time he just wanted to get back to ky and my mom. Then they sent him korea

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:18 | 5062502 WAMO556
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Sock Puppet!

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:09 | 5062114 Yen Cross
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“Every battle is won before it’s ever fought.”

  ~Sun Tzu~

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:10 | 5062115 WeNeedaRealGovt
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REPUBS CREATE DEFICITS, no jobs and BIGGER GOVERNMENT, Failed Policies.

President ‘s Government spending percent increases per year

Reagan 82-85 8.7% doubled government jobs
Reagan 86-89 4.9%

Bush 1 90-93 5.4%

Clinton 94-97 3.2% decreased government jobs
Clinton 98-01 3.9%

Bush 11 02-05 7.3% doubled government jobs
Bush 11 06-09 8.1 %

Obama 9-12 1.4% annual increases in GOV spending and dropping to .68% going forward. decreased GOV jobs.

Repubs cut taxes and increase spending and wonder why deficits soar under them?

Note Obama has the lowest increases. Repubs try to skew their data by calling the FED Budget year for 2009 an Obama Budget year, when the Fed FY budget began Oct 1, 2008, with a projected deficit of $1.2 trillion before Obama even elected and raised to $1.7 trillion before Obama sworn in as the economy went in to a death spiral in the 4th QTR of 2008. Bush deficits were tripling every year starting in 2007 and remember he first ate his way through a projected 5.6 trillion surplus he was handed in 2001 from the Clinton administration. 

If DEMs are socialist, Repubs are Marxist when it comes to Government spending.

In Repub’s alternate reality it’s the DEMs that are the big spenders!

 

 

 

The Teapublicans never miss an opportunity to stick it to the middle class to the benefit of wealthy deadbeats like Cliven Bundy or Mitt Romney (14% on money he hasn't shifted "offshore"? seriously?)

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:22 | 5062178 Coletrane
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the level of stupidity of some of these posters is astounding.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:24 | 5062192 jon dough
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At least he solved his cap locks problem.

 

Baby steps...

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:29 | 5062213 knukles
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First step is to admit you have a cap-loc problem ....
Second step is anger management.....which can be medicinally prescribed (Thorazine enemas can do wonders)
Third step is casting off delusions....

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:46 | 5062319 jon dough
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Enemas...so THAT'S what I'm doing wrong.

 

Thanks, K-man!

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:49 | 5062333 Terminus C
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This is what happens when you let Steven Harper get on the hedge...

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 22:48 | 5063045 KnuckleDragger-X
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Thorazine is best when used with electro-convulsive therapy....

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:38 | 5062247 One And Only
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He copied and pasted. I found the same comment  on a Huffington Post comment thread:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/11/us-budget-surplus_n_5578652.html

....no surprise, can't stop stupid.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:41 | 5062285 WeNeedaRealGovt
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YOU ARE ONE FUCKING GENIOS.  BUT YOU CAN'T ARGUE THE POINTS WITHOUT SOUNDING LIKE A FOX NEWS ANCHOR.  

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!