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Did The Creator Of The Experimental Ebola Drug Joke About Culling 25% Of The World's Population?

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Submitted by Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

Charles Arntzen is the Regents' Professor and Florence Ely Nelson Presidential Chair of the Biodesign Institute at Arizona State University. Dr. Arntzen is known as a pioneer in the development of edible plant-based vaccines, and he has also been a key collaborator on what appears to be a promising new Ebola drug.

The Washington Post recently reported that:

It took nearly three decades of tireless research and countless millions of U.S. government dollars to produce a few grams of the experimental Ebola drug that may have saved the lives of two U.S. missionaries stricken by the virus in West Africa.

 

And now some are asking this question: If the drug did help missionaries Kent Brantly and Nancy Writebol, whose conditions appear to be improving, could the same drug be given to the hundreds of people dying of Ebola in Liberia, Sierra Leone, Guinea and Nigeria?

 

What would it cost? What are the ethics of distributing a drug that had never been tested on humans in foreign countries - even if medical authorities could persuade people to take it? And how fast could it be done?

 

"Two months," said Charles J. Arntzen, a professor at the Biodesign Institute at Arizona State University, who has collaborated for the past 15 years with Mapp Biopharmaceutical, the small San Diego company that produced the experimental serum given to the two Americans. "Maybe they could do it in a month. If they were [already] planning on it, I'm sure they could produce 10,000 doses in a month."

 

Anthony S. Fauci, director of the NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, was more cautious in an interview on CNN on Tuesday. "It is not easy to make this serum," he said. "The number of doses that are available right now, today... is less than a handful.

Two months, or maybe even one month! Wow, this certainly seems like a miracle, right? The only problem is this guy is kind of creepy. In fact, he was apparently caught in 2012 joking about culling 25% of the world’s population to solve the challenging problem of feeding 8 billion people.

It was all caught on video:

 

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Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:39 | 5059905 jcaz
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Make it 30%, just to be safe....

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:42 | 5059918 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Another educated idiot. Let's ship them all to W. Africa and lock them in a slum where the hottest Ebola spot is. Please include Bernanke and Yellen on the one way trip.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:42 | 5059923 svayambhu108
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Hate, can bring two people great distances just to kill each other, so its not population density...

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:46 | 5059944 Stackers
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sounds like a good idea. We can start with all Regent Professors, Economist and Central Bankers

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:47 | 5059948 Anusocracy
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Apparently banning DDT didn't do a good enough job.

Only scored a minus 110 million.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:47 | 5059957 Headbanger
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What else can we expect from somebody funded by Bill Gates?

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:52 | 5060005 max2205
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I got a great idea...put it in contrails....that'll do the trick

Why am I bleeding out of my eye balls?

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:59 | 5060061 zerozulu
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25%, does it mean all those people who have no buying power but still eat?

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:04 | 5060105 Anusocracy
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http://junksciencearchive.com/ddtfaq.html

Rachel Carson sounded the initial alarm against DDT, but represented the science of DDT erroneously in her 1962 book Silent Spring. Carson wrote "Dr. DeWitt's now classic experiments [on quail and pheasants] have now established the fact that exposure to DDT, even when doing no observable harm to the birds, may seriously affect reproduction. Quail into whose diet DDT was introduced throughout the breeding season survived and even produced normal numbers of fertile eggs. But few of the eggs hatched." DeWitt's 1956 article (in Journal of Agriculture and Food Chemistry) actually yielded a very different conclusion. Quail were fed 200 parts per million of DDT in all of their food throughout the breeding season. DeWitt reports that 80% of their eggs hatched, compared with the "control"" birds which hatched 83.9% of their eggs. Carson also omitted mention of DeWitt's report that "control" pheasants hatched only 57 percent of their eggs, while those that were fed high levels of DDT in all of their food for an entire year hatched more than 80% of their eggs.

Population control advocates blamed DDT for increasing third world population. In the 1960s, World Health Organization authorities believed there was no alternative to the overpopulation problem but to assure than up to 40 percent of the children in poor nations would die of malaria. As an official of the Agency for International Development stated, "Rather dead than alive and riotously reproducing."

[Desowitz, RS. 1992. Malaria Capers, W.W. Norton & Company]

The environmental movement used DDT as a means to increase their power. Charles Wurster, chief scientist for the Environmental Defense Fund, commented, "If the environmentalists win on DDT, they will achieve a level of authority they have never had before.. In a sense, much more is at stake than DDT."

[Seattle Times, October 5, 1969]

Science journals were biased against DDT. Philip Abelson, editor of Science informed Dr. Thomas Jukes that Science would never publish any article on DDT that was not antagonistic.

William Ruckelshaus, the administrator of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency who made the ultimate decision to ban DDT in 1972, was a member of the Environmental Defense Fund. Ruckelshaus solicited donations for EDF on his personal stationery that read "EDF's scientists blew the whistle on DDT by showing it to be a cancer hazard, and three years later, when the dust had cleared, EDF had won."

But as an assistant attorney general, William Ruckelshaus stated on August 31, 1970 in a U.S. Court of Appeals that "DDT has an amazing an exemplary record of safe use, does not cause a toxic response in man or other animals, and is not harmful. Carcinogenic claims regarding DDT are unproven speculation." But in a May 2, 1971 address to the Audubon Society, Ruckelshaus stated, "As a member of the Society, myself, I was highly suspicious of this compound, to put it mildly. But I was compelled by the facts to temper my emotions ... because the best scientific evidence available did not warrant such a precipitate action. However, we in the EPA have streamlined our administrative procedures so we can now suspend registration of DDT and the other persistent pesticides at any time during the period of review." Ruckelshaus later explained his ambivalence by stating that as assistant attorney general he was an advocate for the government, but as head of the EPA he was "a maker of policy."

[Barrons, 10 November 1975]

Environmental activists planned to defame scientists who defended DDT. In an uncontradicted deposition in a federal lawsuit, Victor Yannacone, a founder of the Environmental Defense Fund, testified that he attended a meeting in which Roland Clement of the Audubon Society and officials of the Environmental Defense Fund decided that University of California-Berkeley professor and DDT-supporter Thomas H. Jukes was to be muzzled by attacking his credibility.

[21st Century, Spring 1992]

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:09 | 5060145 Herd Redirectio...
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This "Philip Abelson" sounds like a swell guy.  Kids are dying from malaria?  Who gives a damn (apparently).

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:23 | 5060248 nidaar
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De-population? Not a new idea at all. Here is a question: If a group controlling more than 25 % of world's resources, yet consisting of just 0.5 % of the world population is anxious about their future, what can they do? Either increase their headcount faster than the rest (which is much more difficult and takes a very long time which might not be enough), or they decrease the rest (which can be done instantenously and magnitudes of orders of cheaper).

Now, this group just need to find one or more ways to apply the second option, while minimizing the harm to members of itself. War is one of them. Diesease with a cure only for the group is another. It seems that both are being utilized more and more...

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:31 | 5060304 0b1knob
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Scientists in government have been openly taking for years about using Ebola to cull the population by up to 90% 

Agenda 21.   They don't even bother to hide their intentions.   If every Ebola patient infects 5 people before they die then we will all be dead by Thanksgiving.  Exponential growth is, well, exponential.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:58 | 5060461 Its_the_economy...
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Start w their MF'ing asses, the pricks. Who jokes about this shit?!

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 05:04 | 5075330 gold-is-not-dead
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When the civil unrest start happening across the states guys like this will be food and that's going to be  the most ethical part of the evolution.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:51 | 5060429 Pumpkin
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Your comment is deplorable and disgusting!  You left out the politicians.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 12:25 | 5061861 fleur de lis
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Shipping pseudo-intellectuals to the Ebola hot zone is a great idea. Can we please also throw in all the Federal Reservists, Congress, the media parrots, university dorks, Hollywood, and special interest groups and lobbies? 

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:46 | 5059945 power steering
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Damn and I just got licensed to import live fruit bats in bulk for resturant consumption

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:48 | 5059955 dracos_ghost
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Cave chickens

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:02 | 5060081 Herd Redirectio...
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Flying rats.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 15:12 | 5060511 Larry Dallas
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Homeboy in the video has a point. Should place these folks in the middle east...

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:43 | 5059919 svayambhu108
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I'm not scared it is the century of unintended consequences ...

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:51 | 5059996 power steering
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"It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids, without the knowledge of the individual, certainly without any choice. That's the way a hard-core Commie works. "--Maj. Jack D. Ripper

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:02 | 5060079 zerozulu
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We need color coded warning system and lots of Duct tapes.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:42 | 5059925 Vergeltung
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heh

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:31 | 5060297 Alea Iactaest
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More like "bwa-ha-ha-ha" in your best Dr. Evil imitation. If true, however, this will probably make the USA a global pariah... Originator of EBV (or whatever it's called next), engineer of the global economic depression, and arrogant bully with a quick trigger finger.

Other countries will feel justified in heaping whatever shit they can on the USA. Did you ever feel smug watching UN troops running around some 3rd world country, secure in the knowledge they were keeping the world safe? Did you ever benefit from cheap oil? Did you ever enjoy the fruits of someone else's labor because of a global arbitrage that shipped jobs to the lowest-cost provider?

Guess what? Those days are quickly coming to an end. War crimes trials, at best, and occupation at worst. Scratch that, I'm sure there is way worse coming if this has any degree of truth.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:19 | 5062155 Lost Word
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Ebola has spread to one person in Saudi Arabia ...

Spain is planning to bring a Spanish Ebola patient back from Africa to Spain ...

following American stupidity.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/496366/Ebola-virus-Africa-spread-Sau...

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:45 | 5059933 Divided States ...
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Yet another promising drug by TKMR which has already been doing human trials has been put on hold RIGHT before the outbreak because the Dept of Defense says so...load of crap

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:10 | 5060157 junction
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Typical New World Order beliefs, not different in large part from the ISIS murderers in Iraq: Follow our belief system or die.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:43 | 5060394 Lost Word
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Especially since CIA & Mossad are the founders and funders of ISIS,

supposedly, if you believe the internet alternate news media.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:03 | 5062419 Seer
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Possible, but I don't think that it's necessarily relevant (other than in the "unintended consequences" category) because I believe that ISIS has a life of its own and is pretty much just a new wave of pushing out the old (empires).  People are quick to jump on a bandwagon that's running over the bastards of the day, but that bandwagon is, a bandwagon, and will, in time, be pretty indistinguishable from that it rolled over...

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 18:01 | 5061387 Dugald
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Ebola, nah lets call it SHIVA, Tom Clancy did.......

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:41 | 5059915 Dr. Venkman
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Probably went over better than those Roofie jokes I was telling at the bar last night.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:01 | 5060074 LFMayor
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I like to use those at the "Save the Ta Ta's" 5k breast cancer awareness charity run walks, myself.

THEM BITCHES MAAAAAAAD!

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 17:03 | 5061132 Meat Hammer
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Roofies have horrible side effects, including rectal soreness.

Did you tell that one at the party?

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:41 | 5059921 Dr. Engali
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I'm curious to see if he gets funding from the Gate's Foundation.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:48 | 5059971 Dr. Engali
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Fucking peckers....... . I just knew they had to be associated with them. Thanks for the link.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:42 | 5059927 Winston Churchill
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Who says he was joking ?

Not like the Psychopaths That Be have hidden their agenda.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:01 | 5060076 Jstanley011
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Eight years ago UT professor Eric Pianka was awarded the Distinguished Scientist Award from the Texas Academy of Science, and got a standing ovation from a packed room at the ceremony. For what? For advocating a 90% reduction of the human population on earth, that's what.

Now, the dude claims that all he's saying is that "shit happens," not that he and his ilk ought to do all they can to "make it happen."

I don't believe him.

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/04/doctor_doom_eric_pianka_receiv00211...

http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~varanus/Controversy.html

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:03 | 5060086 Herd Redirectio...
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He wasn't joking, but most in the room had to laugh it off, it was so demented.

The person filming audibly groans.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:16 | 5060204 El Vaquero
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That's the thing, I think that shit is going to happen (not necessarily with ebola,) but I am content to let nature take its course.  If I am wrong, then I am wrong and nobody dies because of me.  If I am right, then after shit happens, you should consider my thoughts on the matter should you survive.  If I am right, the "transition" period is going to be unpredictable as hell, and trying to control it is pure hubris. 

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:07 | 5062436 Seer
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I agree.  In the mix, however, is going to be some significant wars, wars which will unleash the ugly side of humans (to add to the ugly suffering that'll come as a natural course).

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:44 | 5059936 Son of Captain Nemo
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"Did The Creator Of The Experimental Ebola Drug Joke About Culling 25% Of The World's Population?"...

Well what do you know???  AIPAC found it's replacement for the damaged goods called "Hillary Roddenbitch" in '16!

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:45 | 5059940 Itchy and Scratchy
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Theres gonna be lots of food supply out of the EU.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:47 | 5059952 NOTaREALmerican
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I bet that guy has some really entertaining blog posts too.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:47 | 5059953 Itchy and Scratchy
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Clear out 50% and that should take care of the rush traffic congestion!

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:50 | 5059962 Hook Line and S...
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Charles Arntzen has inadvertently created his own personal 2 legged 'diebola' who will visit him when one of their loved ones is consumed by his frankenfellatio.

He better scrub that vid asap off the internet to avoid being force fed one of those tickets to the 25%.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:09 | 5062448 Seer
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Think that ISIS would like to visit him?

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 23:30 | 5063220 Hook Line and S...
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Yes Seer,

I think the subliminal of ISIS has already visited him...

Incidentally, ISIS numerological significance is as such: I=9 S=19 I=9 S+19 suggesting 911. Evidently, some of their sorcerors have mistaken the copying of fractals for sure fire cause and effect. 

ISIS suggests IRIS, also known as the 'EYE' - NLP archetype activation.

ISIS suggest ISIS, HORUS, SET. Invoking duality for fun and profit!

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:49 | 5059964 koncaswatch
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This is plan B. Plan A is in progress; financial culling.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 16:00 | 5060797 Wahine
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Remember how shocking it was when Katrina hit and people got to see just how deplorable living conditions are for certain people in America?  Inequality has only grown since then.  I live in south florida and the living conditions are definitely on par with slums of Brazil or Colombia.  My local McDonald's has stopped serving soda 4 times this year because of the water quality, but the city only issued a boil water alert once.

How many people in Detroit lugging buckets of water into their home are going to wash their hands or bathe or do their laundry?

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 09:15 | 5064568 Kobe Beef
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Those "certain people in America" create their very own deplorable living conditions wherever they are found.

I can see.

Those same "certain people" in Detroit aren't lugging buckets of water nor maintaining the infrastructure they appropriated after driving out the other "certain people" who built it.

They are demanding it for free. Let them lug buckets. Let them shut the fuck up and take responsibility for their own failure. Let them take action to fix it themselves. Not whining, not marching, not demanding handouts. I'm talking real, honest labor in their own communities. Real, honest effort to produce a better outcome for their people. Until then, I care not for their condition nor its amelioration.

I can see.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:49 | 5059969 Frank N. Beans
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If plentiful food and water aren't available for the growth of human population, then you get wars, starvation, and disease to control population.  Disease is probably the most efficient.  Other than that, there is the occasional large asteroid or ice age.

 

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:50 | 5059990 SemperFudge
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Way to attack a man whose contributions to humanity include saving the lives of at least two people from a horrific, deadly disease. "Epic fail" as the kids say, ZH.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:55 | 5060030 MsCreant
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Go pack your fudge.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:57 | 5060053 SemperFudge
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Fuck these doctors who cure diseases. The right thing to do is to be suspicious of their motives. We should be praising professional athletes and hedge fund managers instead.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:04 | 5060103 Herd Redirectio...
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I got a question.  You have a fire.  Do you take the item on fire to water (and light everything between here and there on fire) or do you take the water to the fire?

Here's another.  Say an asteroid is headed towards Earth.  Do you train astronauts to drill, or drillers to become astronauts?

Just want to get a feel for your methods of analysis.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:09 | 5060152 SemperFudge
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I throw the astronaut into the fire. Or something like that.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:09 | 5060136 MsCreant
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Because they are GODS who cure diseases, that gives them the right to crack these kinds of "jokes" in public, so the rest of us should just shut the fuck up, cower in fear, and hope that they help our sorry asses when the time comes. Got it.

You are right, it is a lot like the attitudes some professional athletes and hedgefund managers have towards "the public."

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:39 | 5060208 Mercury
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Pretty much.

The time has come and he is helping our sorry asses.

So he engaged in a little gallows humor - many doctors who deal with the grislier areas of medicine and pathogens do too. Who wouldn't after dealing with Ebola for so long?

Environmentalists don't take this kind of flak when they openly bitch about human over-population and give short shrift to human welfare.

DDT use in Africa would have saved millions of lives by now. That's no joke.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:57 | 5060457 Frank N. Beans
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I gave you a thumb's up for sarcasm. 

This IS sarcasm, right?

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:00 | 5060064 snowlywhite
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it's not zh, it's some stupid blog. Still, epic fail...

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:01 | 5060078 Tenshin Headache
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He definitely has that to his credit, but some of the things the video accuses him of being involved in are a bit sketchy.

The Ebola hearing is starting now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT0o_bsMWUg

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:27 | 5060127 Mercury
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The 'TRUTH STREAM' narrators are the real assclowns in this video.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:22 | 5060142 Dr. Engali
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And you know for certain that he has saved those two lives, or are you simply repeating what the MSM is telling you? To me what he is saying is pretty damning and downright irresponsible commentary..

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 15:35 | 5060645 SemperFudge
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Wow. And I thought LIBERALS were too politically correct for my taste.

Finishing school called, they want their headmaster back. No jokes that can offend anyone, people!

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 15:49 | 5060734 LFMayor
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Where the hell is Don Rickles when you need him?

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:13 | 5062471 Seer
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"Way to attack a man whose contributions to humanity include saving the lives of at least two people from a horrific, deadly disease."

Do you understand the term "opportunity cost?"  How many people died as a result of a lack of basic resources because this guy's appropriation of resources to save TWO people? (and, are we certain that these TWO people are saved by the drug? [if they die next week, then what?])

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:52 | 5059998 marcusfenix
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finally, news from Mt. Sinai and it looks like the bullet has been dodged for now... he tested negative...

"A patient at a New York City hospital who recently traveled to West Africa and reported symptoms similar to those of the Ebola virus has tested negative for the disease, officials said on Wednesday.

The patient, whose name has not been released, was kept in isolation at Mount Sinai Hospital after he arrived at the emergency room late Sunday with a high fever and gastrointestinal problems. Residents were concerned that the city could have its first case of the deadly disease, but health officials said that the patient was unlikely to have Ebola.

On Wednesday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released a statement saying that the patient had tested negative for the Ebola virus.

“The patient is in stable condition, is improving, and remains in the care of our physicians and nurses,” the statement said.

An Ebola outbreak in West Africa has infected more than 1,300 people and killed more than 700 of them. American health officials have urged doctors to be on high alert for travelers who return from the region with common symptoms, including fever, diarrhea and vomiting.

Officials at Mount Sinai have declined to identify the patient or his occupation and did not say whether he had been exposed to a patient with Ebola while he was in West Africa."

lets hope this trend continues.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:06 | 5060113 Herd Redirectio...
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So he was definitely in West Africa recently.  Fantastic.

"did not say whether he had been exposed to a patient with Ebola while he was in West Africa"

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:52 | 5060007 Moccasin
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Dr. Arntzen has forgotten we are not lab rats easily or willingly culled.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:23 | 5060260 sessinpo
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Moccasin   Dr. Arntzen has forgotten we are not lab rats easily or willingly culled.

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He has not forgotten. It is what leftist progressives believe. When you understand that, then you are half way there. Apparently you are not there yet.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:31 | 5060307 dontgoforit
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It won't make any difference.  Those with the power can and will do as their conscience allows - if they have a conscience.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:54 | 5060020 mastersnark
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Lots of well adjusted people make jokes about mass death. Just last night, my neighbor told a funny about the killing fields of Cambodia. Comedy gold.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:54 | 5060023 ziggy59
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We can feed dozens of billions of people if we drop irrigation systems, plows, hoes, rakes, tractors, seeds( non monsanto-ized) water, etc. instead of cruise missiles, drones, DU, tanks, etc.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 21:28 | 5062562 Seer
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"We can feed dozens of billions of people"

Completely disagree.  Those "dozens of billions" will increase and at some point will at some point, by the very notion of exponential functions, exhaust ALL available means to continue growing (most likely overshoot and crash).

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:58 | 5060038 pot_and_kettle
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What I like about ZH is that when it puts a ( somewhat ) sensationalistic headline on a report, and that report is followed by a question mark - turns out that the damn implication actually has evidence to back up the headline's push.

 Unlike drudge

/tip_of_the_hat ZH

 

/shit_in_your_hat drudge

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:58 | 5060047 TJ00
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Fact is stranger than fiction, though fiction looks better, check out Utopia here  -

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz22hgHCCZM

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 13:59 | 5060065 Evil Bugeyes
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Charles Arntzen is the Regents' Professor and Florence Ely Nelson Presidential Chair of the Biodesign Institute at Arizona State University.

Biodesign? Couldn't that include designing new weaponized versions of existing diseases in order to "relieve overpopulation"?

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:00 | 5060075 tuttisaluti
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The problem is if we can vaccine these people, they still can carry the virus and bring it to us. It's not good either

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:02 | 5060084 redstar-br
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never go full retard ZEROHEDGE! 

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:02 | 5060091 1stepcloser
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I bet he gets a Bilderberg 2015 invite

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:06 | 5060118 yz
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"inferno" by dan brown

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:06 | 5060120 SemperFudge
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Dear God, ZH is much better when it focuses on a technical economic analysis of some kind. The tin foil hat crowd is out in full force today.

If Dr. Jonas Salk were to make a quip about how a similar problem affecting an animal population couldn't be applied to humans, one wonders if the moronic masses wouldn't turn on him and accuse him of being an NWO stooge directly upon his having CURED POLIO. Idiots.

Alex Jones called, he wants his bullshit article back.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:15 | 5060191 Sean7k
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Dr. Salk did NOT cure polio. He created a vaccine which defends the body against it. Big difference. 

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:22 | 5060244 SemperFudge
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...which effectively eradicated its presence in the population. Irrelevant distinction.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:29 | 5060289 Herd Redirectio...
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Its not irrelevant.

If you sell a cure, you sell only to those who have the virus (or Polio in this case specifically).

If you sell a vaccine, you sell to EVERYONE.

Visualize the Venn Diagram and revise your statement.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:41 | 5060327 SemperFudge
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How does that change anything about the original point I was making? Are you saying curing a disease is categorically less worthy of praise than developing a vaccine for the same? The distinction is irrelevant for the purpose of the point I was trying to make.

Plus, you can restrict the availability of a vaccination just as much as you can a cure. Just raise the prices or only administer the vaccine to a select group of people. Obviously.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 15:18 | 5060541 Sean7k
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http://www.thinktwice.com/Polio.pdf

This is the difference.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:55 | 5060437 Lost Word
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Or was it the Sabin polio vaccine that did the most good ?

Salk made the first vaccine,

Sabin made the better vaccine.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 15:39 | 5060664 WillyGroper
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Sean7k 

You think.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 16:25 | 5060940 Sean7k
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http://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-diseases/Polio-SV40/BLFTestimonySV40.aspx

That story sounds a little farfetched, but this one is illuminating...

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 19:24 | 5061757 WillyGroper
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Bizarre yes, I don't see it as farfetched.

O indemnified the vaccine manufacturers. You no longer have recourse.

We've been guinea pigs just like anyone that enters the military.

Ask any vet from GWI.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:33 | 5060329 stacking12321
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semperfudge, how dare you question canonical zh wisdom!

everyone who is not a pro-agenda 21 sheeple knows that ebola is a zionist plot designed to thwart our jeebus-given right to pop out as many babies as possible, and i know that's true because the ufos told me so.

also, chemtrails.

 

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:42 | 5060386 SemperFudge
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I believe you forgot space lizards. ;)

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 15:32 | 5060623 Dublinmick
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http://nsnbc.me/2013/05/08/bill-gates-polio-vaccine-program-caused-47500...

Bill Gates’ Polio Vaccine Program Caused 47,500 Cases of Paralysis Death

 

http://whale.to/vaccines/polio.html

 

The polio death rate was decreasing on its own before the vaccine was introduced, and there is no credible scientific evidence that the vaccine caused polio to disappear. Cases of polio increased after mass inoculations.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 16:18 | 5060909 snowlywhite
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yeah, problem is we are fed lately with one good econ. analysis for every 60-80 dumb articles. We barely get 2-3/week :( And even the econ. ones are worse than they used to be(ok, they were pretty awesome 3-4 years ago, so the downside was way bigger than the upside, but still...).

 

Now we get an idiot that needs 3 full minutes to explain how sad it is that doctor X isn't as politically correct as his idiotic ass thinks he should be.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:08 | 5060131 cassotto
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Does it matter what he said? He may even have meant it, but his actions prove he is a different kinda guy.

Should we even worry about those grand themes? The universe will probably end in a heat death cancelling everything that has ever been created :D Not even your fictional god can stop that.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:07 | 5060137 himaroid
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It's ALL a bad joke.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:09 | 5060147 Quinvarius
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It is going to happen.  It is the weird people that think they need to make it happen before mother nature does.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:11 | 5060168 Sean7k
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Like they aren't culling the population now through pollution, gmo's, chemical foods, etc?They just want you to die slow enough to eat up all your wealth and fast enough to not cost them an entitlement. 

We discuss culling animals, fish and insects all the time. Where is the outrage? Oh wait, it's a human, they're special. 

Now I can expect the gratuitous, "then start with yourself, fucker". 

This guy lives in another world, probaly never sees real humanity. He's a lab rat. When you live with lab rats, you become a lab rat. Life develops a different meaning.

This article is designed to incense and anger. Nice. 

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:29 | 5060301 Herd Redirectio...
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But its true.  People who live in heavily populated, and densely populated, areas tend to think the world is overcrowded. Those in Texas, Alaska, Canada, tend not to agree.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:16 | 5060201 q99x2
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Glad that got fixed. Now back to Russia. Can't we get a banker to jump or something.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:17 | 5060205 SilverMoneyBags
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This has been a popular meme of the Left since the 1970s (and even before then.) Some people believe that Ebola was actually created in the 1970s (when two different strains of Ebola suddenly appeared) at Fort Detrich, Maryland by people just like this, that want to cull the world's population of "useless eaters" (as Ted Turner once said.)

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:44 | 5060397 stacking12321
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thunderdome! (as tina turner once said)

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:17 | 5060212 Cannon Fodder
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Revelation 6

When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, “Come!” Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make people kill each other. To him was given a large sword.

When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth

 

Revelation 8

Then the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared to sound them.

The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down on the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.

The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

10 The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water— 11 the name of the star is Wormwood.[a] A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter.

 

Revelation 9:

The sixth angel sounded his trumpet, and I heard a voice coming from the four horns of the golden altar that is before God. 14 It said to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, “Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.” 15 And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 15:01 | 5060473 Miss Expectations
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Before the book of revelations there was the Sibylline Revelation...

Behold, I make all things new. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give freely to the one who is at thirst, of the fountain of the water of life.

http://mooglemeow.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/is-bibles-book-of-revelations.html

 

 

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 18:54 | 5061647 Sean7k
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Interesting citation. Too bad they were destroyed. The hebrews appear to have a connection as well. Thanks!

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 15:35 | 5060646 Dublinmick
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Better to bare the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools ..... Ecclesiates 17-16

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:18 | 5060214 sbfeibish
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No one has to work on a virus to cull the human herd.  Nature will take care of that.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:29 | 5060288 sessinpo
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sbfeibish    No one has to work on a virus to cull the human herd.  Nature will take care of that.

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Perhaps this is the nature way of that. Have you considered that?

My hope is that the culling of the herd kills more leftists liberal progressives, the mentally ill, and does less damage on the freedom mined individuals.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:59 | 5060464 balolalo
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This is going to be a back alley doctor/hack job. Not precision surgery.     Bloody as hell and messy.  

And even though TPTB think they are gods, gods they are not and who nows what could happen as this plague settles and spreads, settles and spreads.  This is a beast of its own unleashed.   

Say goodbye to easy intercontinental travel.    Soon, war is at the door.   

 

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:18 | 5060216 seek
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Reminds me of when Dr Maurice Hilleman from Merck joked about importing the AIDS virus while manufacturing polio vaccines. It may be a joke but it doesn't go over very well.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:27 | 5060229 SemperFudge
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It's bullshit like this which is the reason why the top students in universities go to Wall Street. Curing diseases isn't lucrative, and idiots everywhere attempt to impugn your motives based on the flimsiest possible evidence.

It's too bad research scientists who can actually improve humanity are being told they are genocidal murderers in the making by a bunch of people whose contributions to humanity won't ever include anything noteworthy enough of even being inscribed on their own tombstones.

Good for you, Doctor. Should these idiotic, tin foil conspiracy theorists ever need your cure for the ebola virus, they won't know whether to thank you or suspect it's all part of a malevolent plot to kill them at some future date. Fortunately, most people out there appreciate your contributions, as do I.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:30 | 5060309 Cannon Fodder
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So what about all the dictator types out there who in the past have try culling their population? Hitler... Po Pot... Stalin... the leader of Rhwanda... etc... do you think they wouldn't have used a technique like this if had the chance?

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:38 | 5060361 SemperFudge
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Problem is, he's a research scientist and doctor, NOT a dictator, and doctors make morbid jokes about grim medical subjects the way geologists drink beer. ALL THE TIME.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:41 | 5060381 Cannon Fodder
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So doctors in 1930s Germany didn't conduct unethical experiments on humans?

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:48 | 5060419 Cannon Fodder
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My only point is that just because he is a research scientist and doctor doesn't make him immune from thinking he can do something like this. What if he approaches from an perspective and thinking the earth and the remaining population is actually better off without all the "useless eaters"? So he makes a vaccine on his own, doesn't need to be a dictator, and unleashes it? Very plausable in my opinion....

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:53 | 5060443 stacking12321
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so, you're critical of him because of something he *might* do?

you're absolutely right, let's lock him up before he does something bad.

in fact, we should lock up everyone, just to be safe.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:52 | 5060431 SemperFudge
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So because doctors performed grossly inhumane "experiments" on concentration camp prisoners during WWII, Dr. Arntzen is just like them? Because of a joke he made?

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 15:01 | 5060472 Cannon Fodder
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Nope, just saying you can't automatically say he would never do anything like this, as you suggested. Sure, I agree with you that people do make in appropriate jokes, and that is all it is, however, I am open enough to the idea that MAYBE there was more to it than that.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 15:07 | 5060493 SemperFudge
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I didn't even make the claim that he could "never" do anything like that. I have just as much reason to be suspicious of you setting out to cull people throughout the world as I do him.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:31 | 5060314 Herd Redirectio...
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If you beat Ebola, thank your immune system.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:21 | 5060252 KidHorn
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The guy was making a joke.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:24 | 5060258 medium giraffe
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We've been culling the population all of our existence. It's called war, and we love it.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 15:43 | 5060269 gatorboat
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Ha ha ha, I told you people there would be an "ebola" vaccine.  

And its creator jokes about wiping out 25% of the population?  What, he means his vaccine will wipe out 25% of the population?  Is he speculating only 25% of the population would take it and they would all die?

That would be my guess. 

Of course it wouldn't be blamed on the vaccine.   It would be blamed on "ebola". 

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:30 | 5060305 balolalo
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We are fucked.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:42 | 5060382 Georgia_Boy
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What, is Mike Krieger a pen name for somebody who writes for Slate?  This article sure reads like their dumb clickbait. I can't see the video from here, but here's a news flash: I don't care about some dumb joke he told at some conference that would be offensive if taken literally, and you're pulling out the tired-est label in the liberal book by calling him "creepy." Well I clicked on it, so mission accomplished, hope you're happy.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 15:29 | 5060591 SemperFudge
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The fact people use this one joke as "evidence" that the doctor is some kind of madman bent on destroying human civilization is sad. It shows how disconnected people are becoming from reality. When people don't have meaningful contributions to make in society, they begin forming myths and grand explanations for how purposefully malevolent actors are conspiring to keep them down.

Dr. Arntzen's comments, unfortunately, fit nicely into one of those narratives -- that a sinister cabal of like-minded genocidal maniacs is planning to institute Agenda 21 "population control" methods and cull a significant portion of the world's population. His comments, and the fact people in the room laughed, are just further evidence of an implicit understanding and agreement between all the people in the room that such remarks are anything BUT a joke (wink wink).

It's all just a fairy-tale delusion contrived by people who wish to project their feelings of hopelessness and inadequacy onto a nameless, faceless aggressor who ceaselessly stops at nothing to ruin the lives of good, honest people everywhere. Dr. Arntzen is, to these people, merely a lackey, or an enforcer for this same nameless, faceless aggressor.

Too bad these nutcases can't just be proud of the doctor's accomplishments and contributions to the human race.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:42 | 5060387 WillyGroper
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Why in the FUCK is nobody paying attention to the screen behind him?

WATER...

The largest aquifer in the world. 

What was said in the rest of the cull session?

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 14:55 | 5060450 Zoomorph
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It was clearly a joke... some people just have no sense of humor.

Here's hoping it wasn't just a joke and that he actually does it. A few billion less idiots on this planet could be construed as anything but positive.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 15:09 | 5060474 SemperFudge
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Hear hear, some common sense finally!

All the people who ignore Dr. Arntzen's SIGNIFICANT contributions to the human race and label him for no reason to be an NWO stooge should be the first in line to be culled. These idiots would accuse Dr. Salk of the same had he also made such a joke. People who claim to not be "politically correct" sure can be a bit touchy, can't they?

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 15:06 | 5060499 bunnyswanson
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You want the idiots to die?  Why not the royalty, the high financiers, the "experts" who have brought us here today due to unmatched incompetence and unrestrained malfaesance.  Who would you prefer to live next door to, an idiot or a murdering thieve you heartless miserable bastard?

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 15:11 | 5060510 Zoomorph
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I want the idiots to die because I'm an expert.

You want the experts to die because you're an idiot.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 18:48 | 5061616 RafterManFMJ
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It's instructive the invective and venom being thrown around on this thread over what some asshole said.

Imagine how fucked up this world will be if shit does get bad ... Mad Max may have been a kiddie flick in comparison ...

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 15:08 | 5060503 Dr. Engali
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Why don't you volunteer to go first?

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 15:13 | 5060515 SemperFudge
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What kind of actual "doctor" doesn't understand that this is the kind of joke real doctors make all the time? Doctors make insensitive jokes like humans drink water.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 15:20 | 5060547 Zoomorph
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One more thought - people who are incapable of thinking, joking, reasoning about or considering the opposite of what they do are idiots. They are only "good" in the sense that they are incapable of "bad", and define themselves has "good". They lack the intelligence, self-control, and so-on that they scorn in others. They perceive smarter individuals as dangerous for being able to think about such things. But from our perspective, aren't the stupid masses the most dangerous for not thinking at all?

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 15:40 | 5060602 Dr. Engali
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First of all I'm not a Dr., I'm an investment advisor, and secondly I would never joke about taking all my client's money and running off with it. I find that kind of behavior both unprofessional and repulsive. This is a matter of trust, and there is already enough distrust out there in just about every industry. If it was indeed a joke, it was wreckless and irresponsible for a person in his position.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 15:44 | 5060703 LFMayor
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So you're one of the "good" investment advisors, right?

Sorta like them there Nuetral-Good theives in Dungeons and Dragons.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 16:04 | 5060731 Dr. Engali
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Actually, I almost always played a chaotic good ranger in D&D. Sometimes I played as a Paladin, the knights of the round table was one of my favorite themes.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 16:20 | 5060914 LFMayor
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Just funnin with you Doc :)   I played thieves.  Neutral evil, typically but i sometimes forayed into the "good" realms of pure neutral.

The "slave lords" series was mine.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 17:11 | 5061160 MsCreant
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Assassin. Lawful evil. She had mithril claws (kind of like Freddy Kruger or Wolverine) each with +5 to hit and +5 damage. It was fun but a pain, every time it was my turn, I had to roll for all 10 claws to see if they hit and what the damage would be. She also shape shifted. 

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 18:49 | 5061617 fukidontknow
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Nerd Alert.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 18:53 | 5061639 RafterManFMJ
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Neutral or Lawful Evil Elven Thief; I've never laughed as half as hard as I did playing AD&D.

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 17:04 | 5061139 MsCreant
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Your comment is the point that needed to be made to some on this thread, thank you. That is a perfect parallel situation that makes it so clear. In both cases, folks are vulnerable and dependent on specialized knowledge, and really need it right.

Private jokes, I get it. But not when you are acting in you professional capacity. I have dumped doctors who acted like him. I stayed with a doctor for many years (he moved) when it was clear I was in the presence of someone both smart and compassionate (and just a decent human being). Everyone loved this guy and we were all sad when he left. 

Thu, 08/07/2014 - 20:19 | 5062165 Zoomorph
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I stayed with a doctor for many years (he moved) when it was clear I was in the presence of someone both smart and compassionate (and just a decent human being).

In other words, he was just smart enough to fix your problems and no smarter. Compassionate and a decent human being means that he was morally obedient and cared about the best interests of the little people. Those are certainly good qualities to look for when you're a little person who desires the pity and compassion of others.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 02:18 | 5063721 MsCreant
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I don't want an asshole looking at my twat, okay?

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