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Former Obamacare Boss Admits She Deleted Emails Sought By Congress
On the bright side, Marilyn Tavenner - appointed by President Obama to take over CMS within the Department of Health and human Services in 2013 - did not suffer a hard-drive crash. However, as MSNBC reports, she may be unable to cooperate with House Oversight and Government Reform Committee subpoenas because she deleted emails.
A team of HHS officials is now working to reconstruct Tavenner’s inbox by collecting emails from people she typically corresponded with and through other methods. They expect to recover “most, but not all” of Tavenner’s emails, the letter adds.
“While we have not identified any specific emails that we will be unable to retrieve, it is possible that some emails may not be available to HHS, and we are therefore filing this memorandum,” Kathleen Cantwell, a records management official at the agency wrote.
The excuse:
According to the letter and two senior HHS officials with knowledge of the matter, Tavenner receives an unusually large number of emails – some 10,000-12,000 per month – since her address is public and advocacy groups occasionally urge their members to contact her. In order to stay below the agency’s Microsoft Outlook email size limit, Tavenner would regularly delete emails after copying or forwarding them to her staff for retention.
However...
While it’s impossible to know how many messages might be missing, HHS staffers studied her email habits for a month and estimated that at least 90 percent of her traffic was within the agency, the officials said.
But this is still the most transparent administration ever...
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Not to worry, as NSA has copies of them all.
The stench from this White House will never clean up....
BULLISH
"A good politician is quite as unthinkable as an honest burglar." - H.L. Mencken
She's not going to be a good scapegoat, telling the truth and all
How many Obamacare customers still paying premiums after 8 months?
Here is the good one...
$5,000 In-Network deductible, plus the all-new $10,000 Out-of-Network deductible, and essentially zero specialists are in network!
Who cares about customers paying. Congress controls the purse strings, and those spineless idiots deserve to be dissed if they won't ever cut budgets in response.
Anyone who has worked in even the smallest IT shop knows that there are copies of that e-mail in the backup files of the e-mail servers.
This kind of news is more about drama than it is about facts.
Wait a minute. Are you telling me that the IT folks at this agency never back-up the servers?
"would regularly delete emails after copying or forwarding"
Oh good, so they're in the "sent mail" folder instead of the inbox. Try looking there, you lying sacks of shit.
Nice to be above the law..
Nation of men (and liberal twats), not of laws.
I wonder if I can get a job consulting for these folks. I have a bunch of old floppies and out-dated JAZ drives that need to be put to good use.
This is all Bush's fault.
...
AND IT'S RACIST!
If you like your email, you can keep your email.
You didn't delete that.
Excuse me.....why can't we arrest this bitch again?
It's Putin's Fault!
If a message made its way throught the netweork, and landed in the mail server, then it was persisted somewhere in the file system.
Here is a hint for you idiots in congress. Try these term;
Change Logs
Changed Data Capture
Backup tapes wanted to see if you're reading
These things are obvious to the 10% that understand technology. Unfortunately, that does not include the white house, Congress or those who elect them. Otherwise Lois Lerner would be solidly behind bars now. (I'm sure she has been at the front of many bars, but not the same in my book.)
I've been in IT a LOOONG time, and I agree it is beyond farcical there are no backup tapes with the info. However, why would they bother looking if there is no consequences of telling Congress that the dog ate it? Restoring email in Exchange can be a pain in the ass, so why burn man-hours when bullshit will do?
"I've been in IT a LOOONG time, and I agree it is beyond farcical there are no backup tapes with the info. "
Correction, you worked in IT (outside the federal gov't) for a long time. Most of the Fed system only do DR backups. The backup tapes are recycled after 30 to 45 days. All they need to do is stone wall for a couple of months and Poof! its all gone!
My point still stands: If Congress is going to do nothing about bullshit answers, they will keep getting bullshit answers.
You oversimply - this isn't "Congress" being passive, it's Harry Reid and Senate democrats protecting the IRS from oversight.
As came out in the IRS email BS, they can recycle tapes but not the data. Fed law is they have to keep it somewhere for 10 years.
The law is for the little peeples. See what happens with the rebellous teen who goes for a joy ride, for example. He's phucked over good, maybe getting 5 years in jail for grand larceny.
The law needs to be applied equally. If you destroy evidence it should automatcially a presumption of your guilt with the burden on the destroyer to prove their innocence with some sort of other evidence.
All I know is that I once pressed the "wrong" button on my computer and it re-downloaded every single email I had ever received, including the ones I had deleted. Most annoying at the time. Shame I can't remember what that "button" was. It might have had something to do with getting a new computer, I really can't remember. But those emails are still there, somewhere.
You know they are using exchange. And you know that exchange is backed by some name brand storage. NetApp, HP/P9/3Par, EMC. Multiple redundant servers and backend storage means that if those emails are gone they were deleted. Yes there are backups and if there isn't then someone should be going to jail. End of story. You should see the hoops the feds make us jump through for email. Are they not jumping the same hoops?
I'm not even close to tech savvy. I have deleted and cleaned crap for years. And I bet I can, within minutes, dredge up crap from 2 years ago.
Is it true???? .... If you manage to really " eliminate" electronic data, that you have done something pretty unique?
Seems to me certain elements have tried, and .gov seems really good at always recovering data. But we are supposed to believe these "folks" have special systems, and wipe data from existence routinely.
well..it is government
Plausible deniability....bytchez!!!
The corruption is staggering. If this was a non-NWO Republican - they would all be in jail.
one law for them...
"There is nuthin uglier than an old white woman." Fred Sanford
so the republicans were right. for once,
NO.
The ANTI-STATISTS that despise and distrust Govenment Bureaucracies are proven right again.
Bingo. All others are pretenders, buying votes from the unenlightened. Unfortunately, we will all pay for their stupidity.
Amazing how so few pixels can attract such attention..
Regardless.. no f’n politician is right today.. the fact that they (like bankers) are there in the first place makes them evil.
Gee, is there a reason for this slight degree of skepticism?
Beat me to it. :)
Speaking of beatings, it can not be denied that some of these people deserve a good old-fashioned behind-the-barn pummelling. Okay, most of them.
oh, I am 1000% with you on that one, man!
2 words: "Billy Jack"
Dude, even I can recover the emails after being deleted.
The mails aren't gone, they where just to retarted to look for deleted mails.
Just shows you how stupid they are.
It's actually pretty damn hard to delete anything in outlook...
And than there's the system backups that are stored in secure locations every day, week, month....
If they want them, they'll have them.
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook-help/restore-deleted-items-in-...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but deletion doesn't actually delete anything from memory. It only delete the association of that value with the specific memory location. Therefore, the emails are still there unless that memory location has been allocated to a new value. I haven't taken many computer science classes, but I am assuming this is fairly basic. NSA hears everything but can't recover emails? Fuck you Barack Osama.
I think you're thinking of disk space not memory.
Unfortunately, I think outlook stores emails in the same file, so assuming new emails were downloaded since, they're pretty safely gone.
Doesn't make the situation any less ridiculous though.
Because email providers don't store your emails in a dabase for easy handing to the NSA, right?
If it's Exchange, then being in a database is exactly why it doesn't work like a regular file deletion on the file system. When you delete emails, it creates a "hole" in the server database file. Rather then growing the file, Exchange will plug the holes with new information. You CAN set an "undelete" period where it doesn't actually get removed from the database, but that defaults to 14 days. Some systems store flat files, such as Qmail, where the files would be unlinked but still there. I doubt they are running a MS Exchange alternative though.
Still, all this is just stupid, since there is a backup tape out there somewhere. Someone is telling Congress to STFU since there are no consequences for this behavior, such as defunding the agency or putting people in jail. If there were real personal consequences, you bet your ass they'd find the info.
They undoubtedly have a retention policy that handles this sort of thing, but are leaving that obvious fact out.
Unless they're on the "exclude these cronies" list.
Nop, the mails are still there. It's not like recovering a file that was delted on a sd disk or something.
In outlook, you need to delete the file 3 times before it's really gone.
If you find the second, you know a shitlot about outlook.
If you find thr third, you have a very very good it knowledge. And she doesn't look like one.
The best way to recover them now is this:
1. Call the IT guys
2. Tell them they're going to jail for 20 years
3. Unless they can recover them in the next 5 minutes
Let's see how long it would take...
Option 2 is to call India
Bingo.
They should have had every low-level IT staffer in IRS shitting themselves with subpoena and arrest threats back in Feb/March when this fully corrupt bullshit was becoming evident.
Fuck the politics, they need to put people in jail, starting with Lois Lerner and this bitch.
25 Years of IT/Exchange Architecture and Support/Info Sec/IT Forensics experience....
Outlook stores in a local file, only if cached mode is enabled. The emails are either in the remnants of that file, on the Exchange server disks, in some Exchange archive service, or on backup tapes.
Spaces on disk are only marked for deletion. The underlying data is only over written, when the sectors on the disk are needed to store new bit of information.
Deleted emails are not "gone". Even a child like Obama could recover them
who would want to contend with all these whiners anyway?
My last pay check was $9500 working 12 hours a week online. My sisters friend has been averaging 15k for months now and she works about 20 hours a week. I can't believe how easy it was once I tried it out. This is what I do... http://goo.gl/bhiamE
What difference does any of this make.
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It's important because Putin made her delete them, and also supplied her with those hideous pantsuits.
More dastardly deeds by Hitler 2.0.
Return to Sender
If I delete, promptly will be recovered by NSA.
All I can think of at the moment is that if she's hetero, I sure as shit pity her husband. Stone ballbuster, no doubt.
"Delete" means archived. Just send the record request to NSA; I'm sure they can pull the records.
""Delete" means archived. Just send the record request to NSA; I'm sure they can pull the records."
NSA likely only collects eMail sent out through the Internet. They would be unlikely to have archived internal emails.
On the bright side, Marilyn Tavenner makes $9500 per month.
Uhhh...oohh, She's on "nail gun"watch...
I know it's already been said but aren't these on a server somewhere? Wouldn't this require cooperation by IT people to COMPLETELY destroy all emails? Isn't it some sort of crime to destroy evidence or conspire to destroy evidence? Aren't they going to charge these people with...
Oh Christ, why do I bother. Isn't it happy hour somwhere?
You expect the same people who deployed a development database on a production server to also ensure backups of their email server?
LOL!
Gee, I assumed dev-to-production was the industry standard.
Myself, I skip the hassle and develop directly in production, as there's always something different between the two environments.
Development env should give you more assistance and comfort/joy.
You surely have integration tests running in production env, do you?
http://treasure.diylol.com/uploads/post/image/458108/resized_the-most-in...
I Don’t Always Test My Code. But When I Do I Do It In ProductionI just come up from the cellar with a cupfull. Happy Hour has commenced.
Prosit !
The snake is starting to swallow it's tail...
YC, I read your post about the Yen testing 100. Maybe the test is over?
Nope. usdx is way overbought. If you look back to last 08-09 '13, you'll see the spike followed by the retrace.
The daily chart has (2) long distinct (upward) waves. USDX daily chart
I shorted gbp/aud yesterday, and am short gbp/jpy from early last week. The sell-side wants to make you think it's okay to get long. They're going to flush the toilet on the longs (usd/jpy) hard and fast.(soon) Then you can get long.
That spike down in usd/jpy (Thursday) wasn't a "fat finger". It was positioning and rebalancing.
Thanks.
I aprreciate your input. I will defer to your judgement on this one.
I'm flattered that you asked. I'm really enjoy all the fantastic comments you post on Z/H. Those greenies are from me and other posters that value your thoughts and ideas.
It took me the better part of (5) years to deal with the psycho-logical part of trading... Which, by the way, is 90% of trading. Never chase the trade.
I hope you have a great w/e, and "my best" to your family.
If tThey get away with this illegal shit now, imagine how much worse it will be in 5-10 years.
We must demand that government follow the rule of law as we are required, or it becomes our duty to burn the whole enterprise down.
Let's skip the foreplay, I got a lighter.
pods
Keep pretending that there's such a thing as "the rule of law" and you'll soon see the whole facade spontaneously combust before your denying eyes.
As always, government is merely the most organized form of crime. The idea that the mafia can be bound by a legal system of their own making is a very immature perspective.
No one should ever have the power that these people are given. If Jesus refused it, so should everyone else. It's the only moral choice.
Just about everybody in the world keeps a delete file. This story has no legs unless there was not, in fact a back up or the back up has Nixon-like 'gaps' in them.
Or, as is entirely possible this late in the pm on a friday, am I missing something?
These emails reside on systems servers. End users cannot completely delete them. They still exist. They also exist in back ups.
This is BS, and it's tiresome. I'm tired of being lied to in my face by a government that has zero credibility. I'm also tired of the "opposition" party playing a pre-arranged role in the kabuki.
If the gubbamin says it's true that deleting mail from inbox makes disappear all traces of its existence to all participants, then IT guys are terrizz for even suggesting that backups may exist. Also see my comment above about the expectation of backups in this project.
If these emails have actually disappeared, then it was a SYSTEMATIC effort. An effort which very likely occurred after the request = obstruction of justice = jail time for the culpable in a nation that is ruled by laws.
Don't tell me that this political coat holder erased the emails on her own. She probably cannot even set the clock in her car.
There is no "opposition" party, only the ruling elephant-jackass party, whose members pretend to fight while holding hands like fags behind the curtain.
Of course, if any of (just-)us intentionally destroyed subpoenaed information and lied under oath before CONgress, we would end up like Martin Armstrong or worse.
If CONgress had any honor or intestical fortitude, and if their Sergeant-at-Arms wasn't a ball-less eunuch, every one of these administration hack-apologists from Hank Paulson to this dumb bitch would be wearing striped suits and rotting in the CONgressional dungeon in chains.
Blame the clueless sheeple and computerized vote "counting" in secret for re-re-re-erecting these @$$#01e$ despite their single-digit approval ratings.
C'mon ISIS, do us a favor by joining the millions of anonymous dark-haired MexiNicaGuataSalvaHondurans streaming across our wide-open border and taking out these pieces of $#!+. Dang, I forgot...they only want to attack U.S. interests.
This from the same people who can't find the Second Amendment on the Constitution.
Speaking of the 2nd Amendment - go read the "version" (i.e. interpretation) of the 2nd Amendment on the White House web site and compare that to the actual thing. Sickening.
Fuck these Liberal fucks!! My country is NOT what it used to be!! This makes me so mad!
It's Friday, maybe time for another casual newsdump about some other simple, unintended, accidental, and most likely ILLEGAL, UNETHICAL action by the administration. what will it be tonight, hmmm?
Let's keep pretending that all emails are backed up on a server. The real question is why isn't the "opposition"calling them out on this?
Whats an "opposition" ?
The sheeple might just notice they are exactly the same, if they keep this up.
All statist pigs at the same trough.
There is "opposition" only to this extent. The "opposition" catches something and then works out a deal under the table. Things like truth and justice are to be avoided like the plague. Truth and justice are for the little people. Both sides understand this implicitly and completely.
You lot know and understand the 'Hippocratic Oath'? Do no harm?
Thats under 'Common Law', now ask yourself a question, how 'Old' is 'Common Law'? Ask yourself if this has ever been superceded, or wrote out of what is 'Law'? As you know it, or as 'They' know it.
Just asking questions here folks, as you do.
Do no harm my ZH friends. Some of us I believe abide by this, and some dont, do they?
;-)
I always enjoy your posts 96...but I am saddened when I do not read the word cunt.
Some of us I believe abide by this, and some CUNTS dont, do they?
I do it for a reason Grande Tetons,
At some point, these cunts will answer to cunts like me, and mark my words, these cunts 'Will' answer for deeds done, and deeds un-done.
Cunts, just like me mate, will make sure of it.
You 'Will' be held to account cunts.
History, this time, demands it.
You be reading a mother fucking cuntish writer of it.
And this idiot, Inthemix96 isnt the one you want, we are legion.
:-)
It's not a proper Friday night at the Z/H pub, without some old skool bashing from Inthemix96
I would pay large sums of money to see "Inthemix96" and "long soup line" go off together!
Foul mouth cak- shucker.
:)
Politicians abide by the Hypocritic Oath.
I doubt they have any clue. They should have done thier jobs right.
WAIT come on guys are you telling me this upstanding Government Official lied to other upstanding government officials…. I find that hard to believe.
She is a statist bitch.
I bet the Russian hackers could find those emails.
they're selling them back to her.
like it matters if they have them or not
Slip of the mouse?
Every democrat under suspicion could have their emails deleted and hard drives smashed and the lamestream media would still call it a phony scandal and then only want to talk about the 18 minutes missing from the Nixon tapes.
You know it's bullshit.
They deleted or had hard drive failures, etc. etc. etc.
Nobody knows nothin'.
It's all lies.
Just another (____O___)
Stop bringing in the big-wigs. Just bring in one IT guy and hang him by his thumbs -- you won't have any problem finding any other emails in any government agency...
They don't even bother with plausibility any more. Sender and receivers would have both erased the mails?
Will the endless string of lies ever stop?
Section 1. The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.
Looks like Obama committed yet another crime.
MOST MEMORABLE LIES FROM SCUMBAG PRESIDENTS
* "I am not a crook."
Tricky Dick Nixon
* "i did not have sex, with THAT woman, Monica Screwinsky"
Slick Willie Clinton
* "The GOP just needs to stop Hating."
*"If you like your Doctor, You can Keep your Doctor."
* "I'll have the most transparent administration in History."
The Lying Kenyan from Indonesia who is a gay muslim married to a shemale.
'no new taxes'
You left out: "some folks have been tortured."
Your scum scale is off.
Way off.
Richard Nixon's offenses were a parking ticket compared to the sustained criminality of the oily Clintons, and the arrogant, daily, anti-American treason and thievery of the RaceMarxist.
I have a creative judicial sentence for Tavenner. To keep things transparent she could be given a choice of a 10 year sentence for obstruction of justice or 5 months of going to work nude except for fluffy bunny slippers for her feet. Humiliation example deterrance.
Option B is cruel and unusual punishment for co-workers and commuters alike.
FGM. Circumcise her on pay-per-view.
Oh this is getting good. I have worked on Outlook Exchange before and in any IT operation, this is the "armpit" job that everyone hates! The reason being the data bases are so massive and you have critical backups and then you have to configure the "Active Directory" for permission levels and access as well as group policy. In in a large organization, there is more than one person that works on Outlook Exchange. It's not always clean either.
So the next question here is how good are the back ups and querying all the data relative will take some time, but if you have a good "Exchange" crew they'll do it. You can't get around the time element here though.
This cracked me up reading this too, as with the hard drive reference, unless she created PST files to back up herself on some of the data, then everything is all on the server. It just depends on how it was configured as there's many options on some of it and too again the permission levels come into play here as well as some possible server set filters as well.
I'm sure she had a big quota for her email compared to others and yes, you do have to delete emails to stay under quota, but again, we're back to the techs doing the work there with pulling backups of what was deleted, so no getting around that, but deleting emails was not a crime as that's how it works, but saying your hard drive died is a tall tale to try to use as a cover up as we're not that dumb out here:) There are tons of Outlook Exchange techs that work in companies in the armpit that have war stories when you have to go back and dig in backups. It is what it is. I used to work at a hospital consulting several years ago and their IT guy was an idiot as their outlook exchange crashed on a regular basis as well. Like I said, it's the armpit of the IT departments to work.
Armpit is being kind . . . I would use the term "butthole". Good post.
Pretty sure that is John Cleese in a wig & pant suit.
Destruction of public property in the commission of a felony. DCI Bush 41 did it with the MKULTRA records.
MKULTRA is a component of ACA. BTW, anyone can view the expired CIA operations online. Water boarding is the old Chinese torture method. Submursution rather than water drops.
Look over there, someone is stealing a poppy plant. That faggot White House American Nigger better drop a Bomb in Iraq.
The afghanistan terrorist planted new CIA roots. Just like Agenda 21, everyone is happy living in chaos. Bankers are shitting themselves in diapers. GDP soars on sitting behind a computer and relieving themselves. Water bills confuse board members future taxpayer assessment.
/ sarc
Feed her to Dr. Guillotine in public and call it even.
Give me a fucking break, subpoena the taxpayers government servers.Why is this bullshit such a fiasco.
Do you want us to hack into the server to expose US Government fraud? I'll give you three days to provide the taxpayers emails. There after, you will be shitting yourself on the floor.
Complete and otter blatant lies. Stop lying, because the emails are available. See above, clock is ticking.
What the Obama administration knows is nobody can investigate any agency within the US government if the administration disallows it. Subpoenas are ignored, BS stories about the dog eating my homework, followed by more stonewalling, and political griping about phony scandals. The only thing that could turn the tide is if the mainstream media was to take the administration to task as if it was reporting on a Republican administration. Even then, Obama could stilll stonewall but he'd lose so much support one might think he became radioactive.
Obstruction of justice is only a crime when (Dick)Holder says so.
You know they are laughing at us. They are just sitting there laughing.
An island of honesty in an ocean of lies?