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This Is How Putin's Advisor Sees The Ukraine Crisis Playing Out

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Vladimir Putin's chief "integration" advisor, Sergei Glazyev, has been regularly featured on these pages in the past (see Putin Advisor Threatens With Dumping US Treasurys, Abandoning Dollar If US Proceeds With Sanctions and Putin Advisor Proposes "Anti-Dollar Alliance" To Halt US Aggression Abroad for two examples). So now that the Ukraine situation has once again escalated, this time with both sides openly engaged in trade war and many suggesting all-out war just over the horizon, how does Putin's advisor see the Ukraine conflict playing out?

For the answer we go to Bloomberg:

Putin has sought to lure Ukraine and its more than 40 million people into the alliance to build a trading bloc to rival the EU. Yanukovych pursued closer ties with the customs union and pulled out of an association agreement with the EU before his ouster in February. His successor, President Petro Poroshenko, signed the free-trade accord with the 28-nation bloc in June.

 

Russia can’t go it alone against the U.S. and must create an “anti-war coalition” to check the “aggressor,” Glazyev said.

 

The point of a series of regional wars organized by the Americans, especially today’s catastrophe in Ukraine, centers on the U.S. securing control over all of north Eurasia” to bolster “its position against China,” Glazyev said. “That’s how the U.S. military and oligarchs are trying to maintain leadership in the global competition with China.”

 

The effort will backfire, said Glazyev, who spoke before a round of retaliatory steps announced by Russia yesterday banning food and agricultural products for one year from the U.S., the EU, Norway, Canada and Australia. The U.S.-led “economic war” against Russia will ricochet, leaving the EU to pay the steepest costs in the conflict, he said.

 

The trading bloc stands to lose about 1 trillion euros ($1.3 trillion), an estimate he says includes the possible bankruptcy of several European banks and companies toppled after the cutoff in financial and economic ties. An energy crisis in Europe will bring a sharp spike in prices and a loss of competitiveness for European producers. Meanwhile, Turkish, Chinese and east Asian nations will fill the void left by the departure of their European rivals from the Russian market.

 

The fallout will cost 250 billion euros for Germany alone while pushing the three Baltic states to the brink of an “economic catastrophe,” he said. Lithuania and Latvia will lose the equivalent of half of their entire economic output, and the cost for Estonia will reach 50 percent more than its gross domestic product, Glazyev said.

Where does that leave Russia?

“Task no. 1 is to block those threats to economic security that are now coming from the U.S., neutralize them by reducing the dependence of our external economic activity on the mercy of American politicians, whose aggressiveness threatens the entire world,” he said.

Glazyev's conclusion:

To further insulate its economy, Russia should abandon the use of the U.S. dollar as a reserve currency, according to Glazyev. Russia, which international reserves are the world’s fifth-biggest, needs to diversify its holdings to include China’s yuan, India’s rupee and Brazil’s real.  “If a country aspires to reserve status for its currency, it should behave properly, and that isn’t the case today,” Glazyev said.

And this is how Putin sees the world. De-escalation? Good luck.

 

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Fri, 08/08/2014 - 17:06 | 5067493 TeamDepends
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He's right, and this is the opposite of what GW, TJ, BF, and the rest of the boys envisioned for this country.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 17:09 | 5067507 cossack55
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It seems Russia is the last hope for an America free from the tentacles of the squid. Who woulda thunk.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 17:11 | 5067516 NotApplicable
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The Squid is but another tool of TPTB. Freedom from them is not freedom from their masters.

In other words, it's nothing but a classic Hobson's Choice. It's just Russia's turn to play "good cop" on the global stage.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 17:23 | 5067564 SamAdams
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We've always been at war with EurAsia.  Double-plus good!

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 17:26 | 5067580 Leonardo Fibonacci2
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This weekend, if there was ever a person who could use a nice myocardial infarction, it's Obama

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 17:33 | 5067606 Manthong
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When Shit Happens

Was this supposed to be a delivery to 1600 Pennsylvania?

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 18:04 | 5067727 Boris Alatovkrap
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When over top rhetoric from Kremlin is more close of truth than is Amerika media, this is scary day in deed.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 18:15 | 5067760 SofaPapa
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"...American politicians, whose aggressiveness threatens the entire world"

I read this and I don't think it's over the top at all.  This is spot on.  The aggressive behavior of the US PTB is in fact the single most acute threat to the entire world today.  Not the only one (Fukushima and Ebola aren't explicitly aggressive, though equally threatening), but the most acute one without a doubt.  I never thought I'd agree with Russian propaganda as wholeheartedly as I can agree with this one phrase.  Strange times indeed.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 18:24 | 5067796 Slave
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C'mon ZH, the Russian side of the story is not allowed. Presenting it at all just makes you a bunch of Russian shills.

/s

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 19:16 | 5068024 whotookmyalias
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I'm pretty sure there is no US or Russian side to this, only FUD to justify futher shearing of the flock.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 19:24 | 5068059 Keyser
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There is an over abundance of truth coming out of Germany and Russia today... Too bad no one in the western world will get to read it due to the fact that the MSM don't dare touch it... Alternative media holds the only real truth these days... 

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 20:44 | 5068381 bunzbunzbunz
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Wtf are you talking about. 9/10 of ZH articles make it to Google news. Now you might have to go more than 5 articles down, but hey, that's life.

 

What it seems is getting more and more obvious is that Russia, U.S., et al. are working together (maybe not all on purpose) to inflate currencies and restructure trade systems in a way that will eventually benefit everyone (or so they think).

Anyone who thinks Obama is an anti-America whatever should be willing to consider that he is working with our supposed 'enemy' or opposition or 'that bad guy over there' in a concerted effort to create public support and therefore ease the movement for each party's respective cause.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 21:57 | 5068628 MontgomeryScott
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Bunz:

"What it seems is getting more and more obvious is that Russia, U.S., et al. are working together (maybe not all on purpose) to inflate currencies and restructure trade systems in a way that will eventually benefit everyone (or so they think)."

Um, yes.

23 years ago, this was publically spoken of in the CONUS MSM via a 'presidential speech'.

I suppose you missed this speech.

EMBRACE THE REALITY!

 

President George H. Bush Sr., former director of the CIA; and CHO-SIN vice-President under Reagan, back in 1991 (September 11, 1991, to be exact) gave a speech once (or twice):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byxeOG_pZ1o

Putin was a former director of WHAT Russian 'intelligence agency'?

MOSSAD is an 'intelligence agency' of WHAT nation? OOPS. It isn't a NATION, it's a STATE. MY BAD.

East and West Germany have become an historical anacronym (but WHAT was the name of the 'Intelligence Agency' in East Berlin, again?).

MI6 works 'for' 'The CITY', I think. You'll have to ask the Queenie about that one. Since she is so doddard, she probably doesn't remember, though.

 

Who the FUCK ARE these people, and WHY does the general population even LISTEN TO and PUT UP with their bullshit?

(Here's a hint: 'It's the economy, stupid!')

 

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 22:33 | 5068740 MontgomeryScott
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'Bunz' and I BOTH got a 'reddie'.

Sorry, 'BUNZ', it wasn't ME.

 

The boyz that work the room over here are getting their girlie on, I suppose.

Which one of the 20 aliases are gonna step up and take credit for down-arrowing?

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 23:24 | 5068850 Elvis the Pelvis
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Ukraine is a Euro-trash problem.  But make no mistake.  Putin a petulant pole-smoker.  Homo bitchez.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 00:05 | 5068925 MontgomeryScott
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That's not bad at all, you fracking queebster. The references you choose in order to draw attention to male homosexuality are both revealing and telling of your personal predilictions as far as your veiw and outlook of the world of 'politics' (and your personal beliefs regarding such).

HERE, let me try THIS one on you, Pelvis (you silly boi):

http://vimeo.com/65148608

Suck your momma's dick, now. NO, don't take that bag off your head!

 

 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 00:09 | 5068932 MontgomeryScott
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Sorry, 'Bunz', I am getting only one while you are getting FIVE 'reddies'.

'KEYZER', perhaps?

 

I shall go back to the 2000 'selection' and vote early (and often).

 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 11:05 | 5069599 Truthseeker2
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VERY funny pics @ --->

 

Putin Plays Chess While Obama Plays Checkers

 

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 22:06 | 5068659 Keyser
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Contrary to what you may think, the vast majority of Americans get their news from the MSM, not the internet... That is those that give a shit about what's going on in the world anyway, which is quite a low percentage... Those that have taken the red pill and follow alternative media are far better informed that joe sixpack... 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 00:14 | 5068941 MontgomeryScott
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Contrary to what the asshat 'Keyser' is 'Reporting', the majority of people in ALL nations no longer get their news from the MSM.

This includes 'Americans', by the way.

NICE TRY, though.

How's the weather in HAIFA?

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 00:23 | 5068950 Keyser
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How about this, fuck you... You don't know what you're talking about, asshat... 

http://www.gallup.com/poll/163412/americans-main-source-news.aspx

I've got no idea what the weather is like in Haifa, but if you come to Texas, I'll be happy to show you how we do things...

Now come back with a cute reply after you've had you ass handed to you... Go on, you know you want to... 

 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 00:34 | 5068974 Ward no. 6
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well where i live and work most ppl read the news from the local paper or watch cnn

the ones who go on line do it for facebook mainly

not for the news that is for sure

 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 03:16 | 5069172 Lore
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Those Gallup results gibe closely with my observations. Go to the local coffee shop, and the stack of newspaper is generally rifled by seniors and some boomers, but rarely by young people, who grip their i-trinket in one hand and stare at it as if seeking personal validation. Go to the public library, and most children are playing at internet workstations, not looking at books. Small children are different: I often see parents with little ones signing out large stacks of books. I guess the tactile experience of handling paper still matters until you get older, when reading ability and hand-eye coordination improves, and of course they start to model the older kids who are already hooked.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 21:20 | 5068514 MontgomeryScott
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It would appear to me that 'Putin's advisor' finally got around to reading the PNAC paper "Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces, and resources For a New Century" and has also managed to think about it in light of "The Grand Chessboard".

The Western bankers have greatly underestimated the Eastern bankers in their little battle for world domination and the eradication of most of the population on both sides.

'Politicians'? Politicians come to power by telling the population what they want to hear. The ones who do so the best are backed by 'big money interests'. THOSE are the ones that are 'selected to lead'. They ALL say one thing, but do the opposite when 'selected'. POLITICIANS are avorous and sociopathic, with no conscience except their own self-aggrandisement in play. Their whole goal is to get rewarded by the BANKING INTERESTS and out-spend each other in perpetual campaigns to get 'RE-SELECTED'.

Yeah, Merkel and Putin are POLITICIANS. So's OBAMA. None of them give a shit about the people they are supposedly 'representing'. They only care about pleasing those whom they ACTUALLY SERVE. If that means a few billion deaths due to 'collateral damage', that 'SO WHAT?'! What was that crap that flowed out of Billary's mouth after Bengazi, again? 'What does it MATTER?'? She was simply reverting to her MASTERS' directives.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/9651/Rebuilding-Americas-Defenses-PNAC

http://www.takeoverworld.info/Grand_Chessboard.pdf

For your further edification and eludication, here is a video of a song by Metallica, entitled 'Holier Than Thou'. THIS is the mentality described regarding POLITICIANS, and their MASTERS who pull the REAL strings from behind the curtain of public perception (the lyrics are in the 'description'):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLu07aXTEKY

@ KEYSER:

The 'alternate media' you describe is also jaded to a point (but at least they are braver than their counterparts in the MSM, and open to the possibility that not everything IS as it APPEARS to be). I could go on for minutes; hours; weeks; days; months; and speak of the simplicity of your post and the lack of a macroglobal viewpoint regarding snap-judgements; and the false dicotomy of choosing one set of lies over another, but I won't (this is 'ZeroHedge', not 'Tragedy And Hope').

In your opinion, was 'The Report From Iron Mountain' a HOAX, or was it a real document (as purported)?

The ALTERNET sure as hell beats the 'INTERNETS' on this!

Propoganda is the art of telling PART of the truth, and interjecting fallacies and falsehoods couched as 'conjecture' and 'theory' (in order to sway 'public opinion'; which is as fickle as a thirteen-year-old girl). 'Germany' and 'Russia' (the POLITICIANS thereof) are telling MORE 'truth' (but NOT THE WHOLE TRUTH, lest they expose themselves to weakness and complicity in this matter). The SNOWDEN factor (along with people like RON PAUL) have forced their hands in no SMALL WAY.

After the through-and-through pics of the .30 Cal. damage courtesy of the two escorting Kiev fighter planes to the section of the cockpit of MH17 that slammed to the ground INTACT were distributed, the MSM was forced to shut the fuck up regarding 'Russian Separatists' in the Ukraine being responsible in the WESTERN MSM. LOOK! IT'S EBOLA! LOOK! IT'S HAMAS!

GAZPROM (oops, I mean PUTIN) seems to be gaining popularity. Ukraine is gonna FREEZE TO DEATH this winter, though. LITERALLY. The PAWNS' in the 'GRAND CHESSBOARD' of global HEDGEMONY regarding the battle of the two POWERS always seem to get sacrificed for the 'GREATER GOOD' of those who actually run the show from behind the curtain.

FUCK.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 22:29 | 5068732 Keyser
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I grew up in a time when there was 3 network TV channels which aired from 6:00am - 11:00pm daily, a local newspaper and a couple AM radio stations... We never had reason to distrust our leaders because their actions matched their words and what we knew of the "truth" was given to us daily... We fucked up... We trusted our government... It was not until decades later that we realized that there was manipulation, lies, obfuscation and treachery in all aspect of government even in those halcyon days... 

Fast forward to the 21st century and now we have an over-abundance of information attacking our senses 24/7... The trick is to disseminate the facts from the fiction... Everyone has their own agenda and spin on any story... One can only attempt to find reason is what data is available and tie in facts we know to build a bigger picture... ZH and Drudge does as good a job of this as any alternative media I have found... 

 

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 23:07 | 5068814 MontgomeryScott
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On Saturday nights, I would be allowed to stay up until 'ZERO' hour, so that I could be allowed to watch the 'sign-offs' of the various (all three) stations. One of them used to play some bullshit poem about 'Touching Eagle's Wings' and 'Grasping The Hand Of God'. This was about 3 minutes long. 'I have loosed the surly bonds' or some such BULLSHIT. SUPPOSEDLY. It was some crap that a U.S. fighter pilot wrote during some 'deep reflection' of some bankster battle that he had managed to survive miraculously ('the Korean Conflict', I suppose, or even the GREAT WAR, 'double-ewe double-ewe aye aye').

ZH and Matt Drudge do poorly to moderately well as NA's; given the environment that they are forced to take part in.

NEWS AGGREGATORS; however, are usually lost in the white noise of the overall agenda. This can be a BLESSING or a CURSE.

Columbia Broadcasting, National Broadcasting, and American Broadcasting 'systems' were the OLIGARCHY (until independents {and the loopholes that the upstarts found} became the 'chink in the armor' in the 'WEST IS THE BEST').

I'd like to discuss this, but the 'rabbit-hole' might go far deeper than you are willing to allow yourself to admit to. Hell, I don't even talk about this stuff myself (at least on the 'nets').

THE RUSKIES figured out in the fracking 1970's that oil was FRACKING ABIOTIC, Max. BP and ET'AL' (all those) are trying to play 'catch-up'.

 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 00:20 | 5068953 Keyser
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Fuck you asshat... Where do you get your news, HuffPo and MSNBC?

 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 06:56 | 5072197 Duffy
Sat, 08/09/2014 - 11:53 | 5069854 WhyWait
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Putin made very clear at the time of Georgia's attempt to overrun South ossetia in 2008 that he knew perfectly well what the score was.  When Russia had to act, it acted decisively.  Russia was terribly damaged by the events following the fall of Communism from 1991-1999, and was (and to a lesser extent still is) in a very weak position.  Putin has been moving very cautiously, trying to win allies and neutralize foes, while rebuilding Russia's armed forces, regaining control of Russia's economy, beginning the task of rebuilding its industry and isolating Western agents and spies.  

The Ukraine crisis is forcing his hand. Time will tell if it's a winning hand, but he's playing it expertly.

Our survival may depend on it.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 10:47 | 5069632 TheReplacement
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Don't kid yourself.  They probably read it in order to then shape the MSM false narrative so the sheep don't get a whiff of truth.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 19:26 | 5068066 Anusocracy
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In Obama's case, make birth control retroactive.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 19:36 | 5068105 Handful of Dust
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Barry'll use our secret weapon; send Russia free GM cars:

 

GM recalls another 269,000 cars for variety of defects

 

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/gm-recalls-another-269-000-184246339.html

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 20:02 | 5068236 Manthong
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You are f’d.. your progeny is f’d.. vote liberal and vote often. 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 00:30 | 5068968 MontgomeryScott
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"You are f’d.. your progeny is f’d.. vote liberal and vote often."

Oh, NO WAY, DUDE!

Why should I even BOTHER to TRY to take part in the RIGGED SELECTIONS?

After all, 'I CAN'T MAKE A DIFFERERENCE', the LIBS told me. 'LIBERALS, or 'LIBTARDS' or 'LIBERTARDIANS', I don't remember which faction.

I forget, now.

As time passes, I have come to realize that 'I am only an egg'. The more that I learn, the less I wish to be A Stranger In A Strange Land.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 02:19 | 5069125 Manthong
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10-4.. grok that Micheal Valentine.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 12:24 | 5069953 flapdoodle
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Obama wasn't born, he was spawned...

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 07:04 | 5069320 Bossman1967
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Let us remember that the US Government needs a war to hid the impending collapse and Russia not giving it to us so we will pick one with ISIS .i can only imagine how much fiat dollars are being spent to prop up the markets and keep the illusion of all is great going.
I believe this all gives the people that are awake time to prepare for whats coming its gonna be horrific but much needed due to the lack of any ethics in this country

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 11:50 | 5069848 lost money
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cause everything is America's fault, just ask ron paul or is it all the fault of the jooooosss, I keep forgeting

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 18:22 | 5067789 Charles The Ham...
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I laugh harder than I laugh all day when I read any of your comments Boris, you genius. I'm with Russia on this one guys. I dont know why some of you still believe in Western Europe, the place is filled with leftist lazy entitled assholes with nothing better to do than to criticize Israel and ignore Islamic terror living in their backyards. If Western civilization would ever wake up and stop valuing tolerance in the name of humanity and start looking at the world of tolerance in the name of "if you dont bring anything valuable to our society to the table then you can starve" then I am not sorry to say that we will all be speaking arabic in 50 years. Cyrillic is actually a fascinating alphabetic system, far better than Arabic.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 19:29 | 5068084 Muh Raf
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What a load of sensationalist tripe. I suppose this is the new zio-shill charm offensive. Tell the ZH regulars that they're geniuses but they need to recognise that Islaam seeks world domination. According to Islaam the world is divided into two main blocs, the "house of faith" and the "house of disbelief". We run our house and you run yours, based upon the Quraan that states "To you your faith and to me my faith", simple tolerance arising from agreeing to disagree.. Except of course for the constant crusades because the house of disbelief can't keep its greedy little paws from all those little trinkest (e.g. oil) that turn up in the house of faith, hence American joke "The only mistake God made was putting our oil under the Arabs lands". I think Rabbi Weiss makes the case for the good life that Jews had throughout the centuries when they chose to live in Muslim controlled regions, not forgetting that during those periods a plethora of tongues and accents prevailed throughout the globe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SN_tXPzsiEA

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 19:45 | 5068164 Anarchy 99
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I cannot believe the guy above you got 16 plusses, 

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 20:27 | 5068320 TeethVillage88s
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My issue with Charles the Ham is that we have a Military Republic that is clearly now fascist. We sell war. We give US Dollars away so that other countries buy military equipment from US and then we train them and groom them with military training and even CIA type controls. But it doesn't end there with fascism. They have militarized a federal police force who bribes officials, create regional fusion centers, and give away military equipment domestically. And the money and government is not for the people at all. Government doesn't fix problems, they just give money to corporate welfare or wealthy interest groups. And they allow almost any kind of kickback to corrupt the system.

But the Blue Collar guys are thinking everyone should work when there are no jobs left and the economy doesn't support new jobs. Automation, Computers, Robots, Off Shore Capitalization and production, decapitalization of US Industry, Capital Flight,... oh and neither party does anything about this corporate fascism and subsidies. Corporations use our roads and infrastructure more than citizens do. Commerce is harder on ports and roads and bridges. Yet 12% Income tax is too much for corporations, so they Expatriate. And the Blue Collar guys want everyone to talk aline, act alike, dress alike, not to joke around, no horse play, everyone should have the same strengths as everyone else. Just like the Military.

Everyone must be uniform in this Fascist Raj.

Military Processes for the Factories. Turn everyone into Corporate Worker Bees just like the Chinese. No imagination just uniformity. Achtung!

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 20:50 | 5068397 HamFistedIdiot
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Something definitely fishy about that. I think this site is starting to get under some people's skin, hence sending in additional troops to steer the community. Or as we learned, perhaps the agents are using software that can trick the upvote/downvote meter like they can do to fake trends on Facebook. The seeming standing ovation response the post that concerns you received is atypical for this forum.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 21:48 | 5068610 WhackoWarner
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NSA  and it's buddies are everywhere. c"mon this is so obvious.  We here are all targets. We here are all on lists.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 06:05 | 5069277 conscious being
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HamFisted re. All those up votes.

Here's whats going on. Its the old bait and switch. Charles the Ham starts out complimenting Boris. Boris has a big following. He's been away. People miss him and with the raw deal Russians are getting in the MSM and the Ukraine, people want to show some solidarity with Russians. When the poster has enough greens, like little fishes he collected, he edits the post yo add all that zino support and ass kissing bs.

I caught another known zino-appologist, Cliff Claven, the guy from Cheers trying this out just the other day and called him on it.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 22:55 | 5068753 Christophe2
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It's been pretty obvious to me that vote rigging is happening (after all it is SO EASY to do with multiple emails, and so easy to automate as a developer), but professional trolls on ZH generally do their best to only run it at key points where it is almost believable, and hence potentially effective.

IMO, everyone should recognize anonymous online voting for what it is: basically a way for TPTB to fake social trends and fake social pressure ('most people believe X').

Why can't we have political discussions between NAMED people online (at least on some sites)?  It just takes a single 1c financial transaction to authenticate an account, and at that point people can't get away with BS, or hate speech, or anything else abusive, since otherwise doing so would cause (inevitably) consequences in their personal lives, and since trolls can't keep creating new accounts once revealed...

[Well, to answer 'why there are no sites like that': when I tried to build a non-anonymous crowd-sourced troll-free web platform, I was nearly put into an insane asylum for 'no reason' (none needed when TPTB want)]...

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 02:30 | 5069141 Implied Violins
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A +1 for you, which hopefully will help offset at least one NSA/Hasbara troll trying to downvote sensitive topics here. I can't think of a decent way to fight this, except to assert in every thread or three that what is intelligently posted here may reflect actual consensus reality; and please disregard post counts because they are so easily manipulated.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 06:31 | 5069291 conscious being
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You are throwing the baby out with the bath water because of one outwire observation. See my explanation for this event up thread. Simple solution. Lock the comment content ie. disable edits on the first vote as well as on the first reply as is the case now.

Re. Anonymous posting. USA is now a police state. Anonymous is necessary.

Anyway, votes are scrubbed from the archives I read somewhere.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 00:41 | 5068983 Ward no. 6
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lol i just down voted u

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 02:33 | 5069144 Implied Violins
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Just gave you a -1. Don't take it personally as this is just a test to see if it actually sticks...

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 06:37 | 5069298 conscious being
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Re. Does it work or not?

I noticed, on some platforms, when you migrate off of a page, uncommitted votes you have made are lost. An edit or comment seems to cause a commit. So, if the last thing you do on a page is leave a comment, any votes you have 'pending' will be saved.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 23:28 | 5068856 MontgomeryScott
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The Arabics actually invented the modern binary system, you know.

They came up with the concept of 'ZERO' (which was until this time unknown to the dregs of the unwashed unbelievers who had come up with this concept; who had managed to survive without the child molester and polygamist Mohammed from time immemorial {before about 400 A.D.}).

IN FACT, because of the incorporation of the 'ZERO' idea, the 'NUMBER LINE', and the 2-D graph (representing LOSSES and PROFITS) became a STANDARD of 'mathematical education' throughout the 'civilized world'.

(WHAT was the name of the 'prohpet' who started the Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints? Brigham Young, or something? 'GOLDEN SCROLLS'? SWIRE? Have a Coke and a SMILE?)

I CANNOT BELIEVE that the guy above me (you) only got 8 minuses and also got 9 plusses,

 

SERIOUSLY: A pic of a skull with fresh blood and a couple or three letters that cryptically give some Satanic power to your presumed 'knowlewdge' cannot begin to derail the comments, 'Anarchy 99'.

 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 00:25 | 5068959 Keyser
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So all your concerned about is whether you up / down votes? Rather shallow, no?

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 00:40 | 5068977 MontgomeryScott
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While the birds circled over your head and you were distracted by their beauty, you seemed to have missed the bus that is just about to run you over.

IN REPLY TO (in case you are too obtuse, which seems to be apparent):

Anarchy 99


Vote up!

10 Vote down!

-10

I cannot believe the guy above you got 16 plusses, 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 06:41 | 5069300 conscious being
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Montgomery, it is weak to upvote yourself. You will go blind.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 20:49 | 5068407 bunzbunzbunz
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Muh Raf. While I have complete respect and interest in all religions, so long as they do no harm to others - I have been told by a seemingly moderate Muslim individual that the Institution of Islam has the goal of taking over as many areas and people as possible. Are you saying that if I look in Muslim texts, writings, and beliefs, I would not find anything inciting any sort or religious takeover? Is there nothing about convert or be killed? 

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 21:21 | 5068511 BigJim
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'There is no compulsion in religion' - the Koran.

You can find bloodthirsty passages in the Koran... though all the internet quotes I've investigated have removed the accompanying injunctions to only wage war on people who have attacked Muslims or stolen their land.... almost as if the websites pushing them have an agenda.

The Bible is full of God telling to smite people. So if we're to criticise Islam for not being the 'religion of peace' we should bear in mind these criticisms apply to Christianity and Judaism, too.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 22:28 | 5068718 BringOnTheAsteroid
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"Institution of Islam has the goal of taking over as many areas and people as possible".

And christianity has not had this goal from the outset. Has anyone heard of the Catholic church, has anyone heard of christian missionaries.

We are incapable of objective thought, in general, but specifically on a religious front. Christians don't mind missionaries butting their noses into other countries and cultures business because in their mind christianity is right. In their mind this is not taking over people and areas, it is saving them. Just as the islamic nut cases think. Sure the marketing is different between the different cults but the end game is the same. POWER. CONTROL. WEALTH.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 23:03 | 5068812 bunzbunzbunz
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Oh, I know very well that Christianty, Judaism, Buddhism, etc... all have corruption and interpretably violent ideologies. I was just trying to pry it out of someone that appeared to have aligned with a specific ideology. I find that once someone "believes in something" or has "faith" they have closed their mind. And argument against their belief becomes pointless and ignored. "Faith" or the refusal to change one's mind may be one of the biggest weaknesses of humans. "Faith" is what causes war and violence. "Faith" is the only reason someone would hurt another person. Whether it is faith in a god or faith that they drive better than other people or faith that their government is trustworthy, or faith that their government is NOT trustworthy. All of these are opinions that cannot be proven, therefore requiring faith to hold as "truth". And all of these things lead to violence.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 09:34 | 5069478 BringOnTheAsteroid
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You've cut to the heart of the issue, FAITH. What you have correctly identified as the root of the problem you will get half the audience of this forum jumping up and down defending. Faith is the very foundation of their belief system, yet you and I realise that the entire concept is deeply flawed. I'd argue that faith is the construct of a lazy mind at best and gullible at worst. It is at least fascinating how humans can have absolutely diametrically opposed views.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 17:20 | 5070858 omniversling
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I'd just like to point out that faith, like hope, is a personal domain, and both (for myself at least) are very useful tools for (my) survival. Like forgiveness, they signal the omniverse, which I believe responds. The mind being a magnet (quantum mechanics 101), faith (without dogma, ie independent of religious co-option) and hope are the last but foundational outpost fortresses in the barbaric sweep of human history I'm now witness to. Without both we are lost IMHO.

I refuse to despair that what the planet is experiencing may be terminal, though Fuku, geo-engineering, HAARP, atmospheric methane saturation, GMO, synthetic biology, Nukes/bio-hazard/Direct Energy Weaponry, 'transhumanism' and nano tech guarantee that the post evolutionary era that we now inhabit will be very different to what I was taught in the '60s that 'the bright new future' would be. 

 

It's why I abhor violence, and believe that's the principle reason that our heads are crammed so full of it via media/games/the atrocity exhibition. It colonises our minds, saturates our internal visual reference libraries, and recallibrates normalcy bias in favour of MIC agendas (to simplify the point).

 

Seek joy and beauty as antidote. Seek the flower in the prison yard. Remain positive and resiliant. Stay strong, courageous, helpful in the service of community and basic human needs. I surrender to the need to maintain faith and hope, not as a participant of any dogma or religion, but as human being devoted to the survival of the best of human achievement, art, culture, science and  the best of human qualities, including, but not limited to: Intelligence, Courage, Endurance, Persistance, Empathy, Compassion, Hope, Faith, Forgiveness.

Peace

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 21:17 | 5068500 Charles The Ham...
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Whenever I read some lame carp like this about how peaceful Islam really is and how I'm a bigot and Islam has a history of peace and all they want is their peaceful side and we can have ours blah blah bullshit, all I can think of is one very interesting word.... TAQIYYA. Feel free to look it up, you savage violent child rapist worshipping douche. When Christians and Jews and Buddhists and atheists and Hindus start detonating themselves and beheading people in the name of their faith on a consistent and mass scale you can come back to zerohedge with some semblance of legitimacy. Until then, I will always have more up votes than you.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 21:26 | 5068532 BigJim
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Taqiyya (according to wiipedia)

"In some branches of Islam, taqiyya ???? (alternative spellings taqiyeh, taqiya, taqiyah, tuqyah) is a form of religious dissimulation,[1] or a legal dispensation whereby a believing individual can deny his faith or commit otherwise illegal or blasphemous acts while they are at risk of significant persecution.[2]

This practice was emphasized in Shi'a Islam whereby adherents may conceal their religion when they are under threat, persecution, or compulsion.[3] Taqiyya was developed to protect Shi'ites who were usually in minority and under pressure. In the Shi'a view, taqiyya is lawful in situations where there is overwhelming danger of loss of life or property and where no danger to religion would occur thereby.[1]"

And your point was what, exactly?

When Christians and Jews and Buddhists and atheists and Hindus start detonating themselves and beheading people in the name of their faith on a consistent and mass scale you can come back to zerohedge with some semblance of legitimacy.

Ah yes, the obsession with Muslims using themselves as delivery mechanisms for explosives, rather then the far more civilised method of dropping a 1000 lb laser-guided bomb on a UN shelter filled with sleeping children.

As for researching words, I suggest you look up another interesting word... GOYIM.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 22:05 | 5068658 WhackoWarner
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All religions suck.  Sorry if that is not a very elegant comment.  But it stands true.

No matter  which garbage you brainwash your humanity into.  All organized attempts at spiritual behavior are doomed.  Controlled by sociopaths/pschopaths and motivated by greed.  Every organized religion will condone genocide.

Prove me wrong.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 22:50 | 5068781 Charles The Ham...
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Show me a scenario since 2001 where Christians are committing genocide in the name of Jesus?

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 23:10 | 5068822 bunzbunzbunz
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The caveat of the year 2001 proves his point. That is sad. How about you show me an example of anyone committing any genocide in the last 12 nanoseconds??? That has the same merit as your demand. Christians have developed less noticable manners of trying to rid the world of those they hold inferior. 

But here's a recent example. The genocide of hundreds of thousands of people, mainly Muslims, primarily by Serbian Orthodox Christians in Bosnia-Herzegovina during the 1990s.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 02:33 | 5069142 Manthong
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Aw, heck.. get me a little nine-year-old-girl, a camel, a few wives, some slaves and six hundred stupid and weak tribesman to behead and I can be a prophet, too.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 23:43 | 5068886 MontgomeryScott
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WOW.

The discussion was regarding the Zero Hedge post "This Is How Putin's Advisor Sees The Ukraine Crisis Playing Out".

 

Would the gods of Mesech and Tubol please come out and respond to this? HAM seems to be slightly 'derailed'. He seems to think that more 'UPVOTES' is in some way 'MORE IMPORTANT' over in the 'blogosphere' of his madness. SHEM? JAPETH? Are you out there?

Your brother HAM is really starting to TWEAK:

"Until then, I will always have more up votes than you."

Delusions of granduer, or something. 

24 weeks one day, now. A STAUNCH FOLLOWER on the Hedge, I see.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 00:26 | 5068961 Keyser
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What a snoid... Look it up... 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 00:22 | 5068957 teslaberry
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the counterbalancing forces of inward looking nationalism, and outword imperial tolerance and power seeking 'transnationalims' ultimately both serve the same purpose of empowering those who are in power. 

 

in less powerful states, those in power are more focussed internally and nationalism and 'intolerance' serves their ends more. when more powerful states seek to conquer the world, the transnational culture of tolerance is embraced as chaos and destruction abroad are hidden from the domestic civilian population , while simultaneous 'cultural exchange' occurs in the encouragement of 'exploratory' tourism and expatriotism is encouraged from the domestic into the foreign conquered territory as well as opening up immigration of the poor and desperate to move and aspire form the lowest wrungs of the domestic homeland ; "immigration" of 'refugees" . 

 

this cycle is often lauded by revisionist convervative historians who talk about the benefits of the creative destructiveness of empires that 'open up' closed nations and create cultural and idea/technological exchange. 

 

it's not really and 'either' 'or' issue of nationalism versus transnationalism. the question is who is on the giving end, and who receiving. 

 

when it comes to the muslim world, one hand the west, russia AND the chinese are all fucking them up. however, at the same time, they are all benefiting from 'modernization' to a large extent that people don't talk about. the price they pay for importing the high tech gadgets we send them , is that they also wind up importing our culture, to a very limited extent, AND our weapons----which makes them subjects to our planned divide and conquer strategies. 

 

the end result is that when the west crumbles-----and the the ararbic-islamic-persian cultures complain more---eventually the west will try and destroy them. the endgame for the western transition from transnationalist multi-globalism is obviously a repeat of the natzi holocaust for their inborn minority populations. instead of the millions of jews this time in history, the role of minority outsider will now be the middle eastern and african and northafrican immigrants to europe. 

about 8% of europe, are these people, even less really. and the vast majority are already consoolidated living in very specific urban territories. they will be rounded up like cattle by the europeans. 

when that inevitably occurs, both the russians, chinese, and many other nations including  israel will use the opporutnity to do their own ethnic housecleaning , as the west descends into a dark period. 

 

if you don't think this kind of historical cycle will occur, please explain what alternative cycle you see playing out. a transnationalist or transeuropean cycle seems possible if you believe that europe can stay together while at the same time making peace with russia. that seems AWFULLY unlikley. 

it is in russias interest for europe to break apart. and if europe finds a method of staying together , it will need all the help it can get from a major player. if not russia, than america. and we all know america demands world war 3 support from europe, so how do you see europe fighting world war 3 without supressing dissenting minorities? do you really think the arabs and africans of europe will support mass bombing of the middle east and iran? and china?and maybe russia? and the destruction and seizing of any african assets?

 

come now.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 06:46 | 5069305 conscious being
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Russia is part of Europe.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 12:09 | 5072720 digitalindustry
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.

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Vote rigging though "on-line influence" is simple and effective - but only to the degree that it can influence the information direction.

where ever i go "on-line influence" follows, the most important thing people can do is :

1. recognize it

2. call it out

The effect is to influence the "viewers" not the active people in the community, so silence is the enemy.

As i'm from the cryptocurrency community (lately) everyone is pretty much "aware", with cryptocurrency the policy of "influence" is to in most cases try to effectively steer the decentralized community (towards destruction)

Its very ineffective on smaller educated communities, (so essentially useless on ZH)

however on a larger "Lego" community like for example "Reddit" "influence" is "supreme" but this also causes a paradox, because decentralized or "multidimensional " information always flows to the most efficient paths, the basic result:

Reddit is a fairly useless spot for "information" and will effectively be "bypassed" in future.

 

 

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 19:03 | 5067961 ajax
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"Putin has sought to lure Ukraine and its more than 40 million people into the alliance to build a trading bloc to rival the EU. Yanukovych pursued closer ties with the customs union and pulled out of an association agreement with the EU before his ouster in February."

Yanukovych fled the scene after he saw this:

http://www.boursorama.com/actualites/a-paris-les-femen-urinent-sur-des-p...

To Paris?

 

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 18:38 | 5067855 Right-on Left-off
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I'm sure this is a public copy of a true 'Tweeted' communiqué.  Not like the phony tweet today of Putin wanting to de-escalate.

Obozo's personal copy will arrive Saturday via hand carried, two day, express delivery.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 20:22 | 5068299 stilletto
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The tweet said Putin wanted talks between Kiev and the East to resolve the situation. This has been what putin has said for 6 months. The tweet just restated the Russian position asking for talks. Its Washington, EU and KIev that refuse talks and have launched a war!

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 17:27 | 5067591 Winston Churchill
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Indeed, in its latter days the Rothchildes controlled the British Empire,and  killed the host,

then moved on to the USA. The current host is now on its last legs, the parasite is

surely embedded in another already.

Time to kill the parasite once and for all.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 17:31 | 5067609 SamAdams
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the new host is China... 

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 17:48 | 5067674 813kml
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Doubtful, but I guess anything's possible.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 17:58 | 5067704 Sudden Debt
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Azians are better followers. Here, everybody now thinks they're king. You can't fully control a population like that.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 18:08 | 5067738 Boris Alatovkrap
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This is why Amerika must continue war of drugs because until every teenager is fully prescription of prozac and ritalin, Bankster class is still struggle to control entire population.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 19:28 | 5068074 Keyser
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I'm still trying to figure out what TPTB will do once they have us "under control"... Humans as a species are tribal, territorial and do not take well to others invading our territory... Under control indicates subjugated, which unless they are going to wipe out 4/5 of the population I don't see how they will control revolution at every turn... 

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 20:52 | 5068418 bunzbunzbunz
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The idea, I think is not to invade, change, disrupt, or anything. I think the idea of "TPTB" is that the richest of people, or really even just those that are comfortable, will want money to flow up. They want people 'below them' to do more work than them, yet collect more benefits.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 21:27 | 5068541 TeethVillage88s
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Well they created Drug Lords in the War on Drugs, but the profit just happen to flow to the big banks. Then they Inflame the Entire Middle East and even as far as Pakistan and Afghanistan with the "Crusade" GWT. somewhere along the way they decided it was going to be a "Dirty War". Their Allies apparently inherited from English & French Empires are Crony Capitalist Royal Families with randomly drawn borders maybe based on languages or rivers or deserts. Then like the Opium Wars the banking, trading, and financing is big enough to cement relationships and military alliances with these hand picked kings.

But we leave the borders open despite the evidence of WMD in the Former USSR which may have been stolen, and all the more simple big weapons that we supply or teach to our "temporary help"

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 02:41 | 5069148 Manthong
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.the disruption will come from a completely unanticipated source.

..the PTB will be sideswiped.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 01:11 | 5069050 conscious being
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Look around America Keyser. With certain exceptions, we are under control. Zombie spaced out nation.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 02:48 | 5069157 barre-de-rire
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i am rereading 1984 for the response, this is fucking insanity. i would go rebel personnally.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 22:28 | 5068725 MontgomeryScott
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@ BORIS:

RE:

"This is why Amerika must continue war of drugs because until every teenager is fully prescription of prozac and ritalin, Bankster class is still struggle to control entire population."

Boris not fathoming, obvliously misiunderstand 'Nancy RAYGUN' war on drugs. Governor Clinton not to misunderstanding did natural powerbroker politics letting Kabal flights allowing airspace to Mina for furtherence of cashflow while in 1980's fog of power-brokering chess moves (also having many women besides myopic and loose wife. Chelsea was freak accident.). Wife of Bill had issues (after being kicked off Nixon Prosecution Team for being whore and proven slut and of disbarrment); and in Barry Seal this woman confided deep regrets. IRS became involved, and tax revenue drop in 1980's are issue. Barry Seal end up dead, and CIA not complicit. Air America become Evergreen Aviation; and now spray sky with 'supertanker'.

Hard now to speak in continual 'current tense'.

The REVENUES ('taxes') that were 'lost' in the '80's are of the 'UTMOST CONCERN' to the current generation of pharmecutical companies (and the tax-extracting co-dependent 'branches of government' that rely on this income to pay the interests on their 'national debts').

 

Where have you BEEN, Boris? The general consensus is that you have been missed, over at ZH.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 17:57 | 5067696 Sudden Debt
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Oh, it's still run from London but their new host is indeed Azia.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 18:12 | 5067752 Boris Alatovkrap
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Opium War v 2.0

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 18:41 | 5067863 Manthong
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please to continue giving us good comments from the Ursidae perspective. 

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 19:43 | 5068152 Kirk2NCC1701
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Hastings 1066. Feudalism 1.0

We now have Feudalism 2.0.beta. Beta testing near you going on.

2.0 to be released after The Big Reset.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 20:24 | 5068305 Chandos
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«the new host is China... »

 

Well...it's been in the works for quite some time...

Interesting link, though decidedly one sided:

http://www.jewwatch.com/china.html

 


Fri, 08/08/2014 - 23:29 | 5068859 tumblemore
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"the new host is China.."

 

The *planned* new host is China. If the plug is pulled too soon they will be caught in mid transmission - hence the current psycho behavior.

 


 


Sat, 08/09/2014 - 01:51 | 5069088 conscious being
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I think that due to Bo Xilai's wife poisoning the couples English financial fixer, leading to Bo's security guy running to the US embassy, leading to exposure, ?eading to Bo jailed and the fall of his mentor, Zhou, the Banksters lost their beard in China.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 18:00 | 5067708 albanian
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Yes w.ch You are right ,and that other it is Europe!!!!

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 18:06 | 5067725 The_Dude
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Agreed...it sure seems to me that they (US/TPTB) are creating situations/cover/hoax to push everyone away from the dollar to prepare for the controlled demo....building 7 anyone? 

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 19:53 | 5068201 TeethVillage88s
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US Society used to have this Show that traveled a circuit in the USA. It was a Chautauqua and partly showed American Values.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chautauqua
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyceum_movement

I picture Tents, Chair, a Stage,... maybe a banquet table that the US is putting on for Europe and other banking partners. If EU leaves the US Dollar where does it go, where is the safe haven?

No one likes the answer so far. But I see about 10 stories about Spying in Germany's Der Spiegel, along with projection of 25,000 in job loses due to Sanctions, and Higher Energy Prices coming. Russia is a natural trading partner for Germany & Europe.

USA is just the one that Guards the Trade Routes on the Ocean, is Financial Super Power, has many trading relationships, holds their gold, ensures they have Resources, and provides some currency stability.

But yeah, I can see deliberate war, deliberate downward pressure on wages, deliberate picking of Industry Winners/Economic Winners, and no solution for the poor except to let them suffer recessions and depressions.

TPTB seem to be fascist, but we used to have the fascist symbol on our Dime, the Roman Goddess with Mercuries Helmet, and the Fasces on the back. And what about all the symbolism, Heraldry in the military, on currency & coin, and in our Capital Buildings and Monuments?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_symbolism
Winged Liberty Head ("Mercury") (US Dime 1916–1945)

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 21:15 | 5068496 ajax
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I have an Indian head penny...

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 21:39 | 5068573 TeethVillage88s
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Given the fact that our leaders had all the privileges and education and special networks in Yale, Princeton, Harvard, within the special class of Bankers and Public Servants...

And given that they don't do things randomly, but plan them all out...

And given that the best way to buy cheap and take over resources, wealth, gold, oil, is to get two sides to fight each other over it...

And given that an Idiot could see the Iraqi War was Fraud from the Beginning, that the 2008 Financial Crisis was inevitable, that the 2008 Bailout was obviously a give away with no controls or punishments, and that nothing has been done to correct the Financial System, Strengthen US Jobs or Industry, that Globalism is bad for USA, and that both Mexico & the Middle East & Russia/Ukraine are all going in the wrong Direction.... But no one is DC is Saying it like it is...

TPTB Planned all this out to be like this. And DC is all bought and paid for including Obama.

Shouldn't you consider a few Conspiracies are Facts?
Isn't it a Conspiracy that the US Constitution is no Longer the Law of the Land or Even USED by Law Officers & Courts?

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 18:31 | 5071006 omniversling
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Dude, the only way the IMF/IBS/ESF/NWO engineered collapso of the US Petro$ can go forward is rising a Superior Supranational Sollution from the ashes. Logic will be presented to the panicked populace that the US in it's magnanamous concern for humanity, offers up the role of Imperium to a greater, more representative Imperium, the stalwart guardian of all Justice and Humanity, the UN/WB/WTO collective. Stay tuned to BBC, they'll announce it 23 minutes before it happens.

Perhaps based on a SDR, perhaps with actual coin and paper tokens, perhaps a crypto (BCs the principle teething issue beta test) on a compulsory organic/inorganic tattoo (Motorola patent already), perhaps gold or commodity basket backed, but certainly corporate owned and centrally distibuted.

To create fear and then farm our deep need for security and order, the controllers of International Fractional Reserve Banking and their paid/bribed/blackmailed representatives (often call governments) are swinging the pendulum more and more vigorously and violently. Soon it will smash out of the side of the clock, if that's the plan (ordo ab chao), and time will freeze. What will happen next, or may already be then underway (in the form of pandemic, WW/nuclear winter, flock of Black Swans landing, bluebeam 'alien invasion'), will provide wisdom in hindsight for any who survive and have time/energy to contemplate the historical context of their plight. And the safety/means/network to do so. 

Enough signals have been broadcast, and I'm convinced that the (recent history) illusion of 'the mighty US, exceptionalist winner of the WW2 Peace and deserver of the GRC' will be deliberately binned for a more expansive agenda. A global agenda, where the China-isation of the planet is the outcome, with those serfs who were not eliminated as useless eaters and bleaters servicing the indulgences of an elete for 50c/hr. A form of TechoNeoFeudalism. I have no doubt whatsoever that if those in the Sino/Russian control rooms are not already 'players', then there are active programmes from the designers of 'The Grand Chessboard' to 'bring freedon and democracy' to them, and replace them with Porkoshenko cut-outs.

Time will tell if Putin and the BRICS team is just that on the gameboard, or a genuine opposition to US hegemony. If the latter, I see very tough times ahead, because the US debt bomb will need to be reset before hyperinflation goes home, and it's more likely to be through destruction, not production (as during/after WW2). If the former, lot's more slo-mo train wreck and frog boiling for the drugged, mind-managed and mesmerised losers of soveriegnty.

GlobeCorp rules, OK?

Peace

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 18:22 | 5067794 Freddie
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Their wars were designed to kill off the best and brightest in the UK and Germany.    Getting Christians to kill each other off.  They are truly evil.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 19:46 | 5068171 Anarchy 99
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wise words, Winston

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 19:58 | 5068220 Monty Burns
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Parasites often kill their host having moved on to the next one just in time.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 01:25 | 5069071 conscious being
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Winston - about China and the Rothchildes

Bo Xilai sounds like he was the redshield point man in the Middle Kingdom. The Englishman poisoned by the wife sounds like the redshield conduit. If so, what a pleasant bit of good news that Bo is jailed and his mentor, Zhou will soon be joining him.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 20:26 | 5068317 ebear
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I don't buy it.  You don't see these kinds of desperate acts coming from someone who's confidently in control of the whole game.  These people are not invicible, and blowing everything off as a "Hobsons Choice" is just playing into their hands.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 21:07 | 5068471 drdolittle
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Yep, and I wonder how much this is aimed at Europe. Right now they're not willing to war with Russia and US is stretched a bit thin to take on Russia in her backyard. However, economic collapse will do strange things to folks. Make 'em invest in armaments and go get those evil Ruskies. Just a thought.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 00:18 | 5068948 HardAssets
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You say Russia is just a part of the NWO. Maybe youre right.

What evidence and reasoning to you have to support that assertion ?

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 11:00 | 5069666 Winston Churchill
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It maybe, or was, I don't think Putin is following the script.

The Rothchildes desperately wanted the SDR + SDRM regime so the whole world

was the host.That now seems dead,at least in a version under their control.

I'm sure they have a backup plan, with another backup in case that fails.

Considering they are probably personally  responsible for the deaths of nearly a billion

souls, in furtherance of their scheming, anything is possible with these psychopaths.

In my wilder thoughts, maybe they want the world, as we know it, destroyed with a greater

Israel as world hegemon.Such inbred insanity it hard to fathom.

 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 13:28 | 5070132 layman_please
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you are talking about parties that usually plan decades and centuries. whatever we see unraveling at the moment, is obsolete for their minds as their gaze is directed to the future. it's highly likely that in daily politics they don't intervene, because for that they have the errand boys who have to follow the grand plan. if they deviate or fail, they will be replaced.

regardless of putin following the script or not, they'll have their way. there's nothing more fragile than the tip of the power pyramid, because everybody is aiming for the top. little help can do a lot. even though putin has been fortifying his base recently by purging 18 top military officers, russia is internally still a tinder box.

of course all this is not true if one assumes they have lost control, which i doubt.

 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 06:36 | 5069295 SilverDOG
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NotApplicable,

 

 

So... belittle our oportunity of possible TPTB destabilization caused by themselves...?

Have you perchance heard of Iceland?

I will sure as hell hope we do not immitate Britain with the 100 yrs war; caused by TPTB arguing amongst themselves.

Such only begets willingful and genetically programmed servitude. 

Change is good, especially when available opportunity is grasped cognitively. 

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 17:10 | 5067518 Manthong
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I think it will be pretty freaking cold in some parts of the EU this winter.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 17:17 | 5067542 Sofa King Confused
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NATO Response:

Russia is the agressor in this situation:

Threating NATO countries;

If they are not the agressor, why did they put their country so close to our military bases

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 17:24 | 5067568 SamAdams
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You Sir, are a self-hating American....

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 17:40 | 5067646 Manthong
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They hate us for our ignorance.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 18:18 | 5067772 nope-1004
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And rumor has it, Ukraine isn't even a NATO member.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 18:24 | 5067798 in4mayshun
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They hate us because we made Beiber famous.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 22:37 | 5068255 Manthong
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Geezus H.

Maybe market exists for shrapnel proof bloomers in SE Ukraine area.. US and EU could do big business there.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 19:37 | 5068117 Theosebes Goodfellow
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~"I think it will be pretty freaking cold in some parts of the EU this winter."~

Long long underwear.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 17:54 | 5067686 N57Mike
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Edgar Cayce prediction on Russia ...
"In Russia there comes the hope of the world, not as that sometimes termed of the Communistic, of the bolshevistic; no. but freedom, freedom! That each man will live for his fellow man! The principle has been born. It will take years for it to be crystallized, but out of Russia comes again the hope of the world" (3976-29)

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 18:54 | 5067924 Tarshatha
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Nice one. 

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 19:49 | 5068185 Thought Processor
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He also said "the greater part of Japan must go into the sea."  

Perhaps there are some people out there that can 'see' things most people can not.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 20:29 | 5068327 ebear
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I'd settle for California

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 20:29 | 5068328 ebear
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.

 

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 19:39 | 5068129 Pinktip
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http://www.rense.com/general82/hope.htm

 

Edgar Cayce:  Russia hope of the world

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 20:10 | 5068259 N57Mike
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Nice link

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 20:57 | 5068434 grgy
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Obama's war against Russia backfires.  Say it isn't so.  http://themillenniumreport.com/2014/08/obamas-war-against-russia-backfires/

 

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 21:53 | 5068622 DanDaley
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Russia came to the aid of the US in the War of 1812 and got the British to back off, so maybe...

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 09:44 | 5069502 Savvy
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As did France in the War of Independence.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 23:37 | 5068876 williambanzai7
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Sat, 08/09/2014 - 01:18 | 5069064 gatorboat
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"It seems Russia is the last hope for an America free from the tentacles of the squid. Who woulda thunk."

Putin isn't gonna help America get rid of the squid. 

He and the rest of Asia are simply walking away from the squid saying "we're not gonna participate anymore".

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 07:00 | 5069315 conscious being
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I agree, but the effects from that maneuver will cause enough internal discomfort to provide the opportunity for a reset. A reset which could come in many .flavors.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 13:37 | 5070143 gatorboat
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There won't be any reset in America.   Fed will keep printing dollars as the dollar loses reserve currency status and drops right in the toilet. Americans will see hyperinflation.  They'll watch their dollars steadlly lose value and they won't be able to do anything about it. 

Will America become Weimar Germany 2.0?   Probably not. But Americans will see a huge drop in the dollar.

"We'll just kill the dollar."

That doesn't sound like any reset to me.

Putin knows it's coming, China knows it's coming, and they're making plans to abandon the US dollar.  We already see it in the news. It's happening now.

When they do, most nations on the planet will join them.  Everybody will will walk away from the US dollar, and leave America wallowing in trillions of near-worthless dollars.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 08:51 | 5069404 monkeyboy
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It's like choosing between a shit sandwich and a giant douche...we're pretty much fucked.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 16:05 | 5070628 omniversling
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"If a country aspires to reserve status for its currency, it should behave properly, and that isn’t the case today,” Glazyev said.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 08:34 | 5072314 FXD
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Yeah, evil America wants to destroy a Saint Innocent Russia. I would agree with Glaziev or Putin if I (as a native Russian) saw any reason to defend Russia or fight for it. Unfortunately contemporary Russia is of no value for humanity or its citizens. It's an evil unfair society with no science, degraded and virtually non-existant healthcare and education. There's no future here. I agree that America is degrading too but Russia really has no competitors here. It falls behind on every measure imaginable compared to developped countries and its wealth is being constantly stolen by Putin and his friends. Glaziev has his share too :)

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 17:09 | 5067509 NotApplicable
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I'm guessing that "countries" aren't even part of their vision. All nation-states are being setup to fall, for a specific reason.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 17:16 | 5067533 TeamDepends
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To add insult to injury, this region will be dubbed "Mexicanada".

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 17:49 | 5067681 Spastica Rex
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families --> tribes --> villages --> cities --> city states --> nation states --> supra-states --> ???

Increasing centralization requires increasing ENERGY.

If I had money, I would put it on ENTROPY, long term, anyway.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 18:19 | 5067782 SofaPapa
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The question is whether Homo Sapiens survives the snapback when entropy cleans house.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 19:32 | 5068097 Keyser
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Humans have been exterminted to near extinction in at least 6 prior ages... Rinse and repeat... 

 

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 18:44 | 5067878 TeethVillage88s
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I'll go out on a limb

I say the Damage to Europe is too much for the NATO Alliance to last past 2016, due to heavy handed US Threats & Sanctions, and demonstrated ignorance & negligence in the face of EU & Russian Intelligence.

- Estonia, Latvia & Lithuania will need US Assistance in buying it's products, but Obama would probably just give them $2 B in US Fiat

- Germany will lose 1% of Total Gross GDP as a result of Ukraine Chaos & US & EU Sanctions as the stand. AND Germany & EU will face Energy Price Hikes that are unacceptable.(Not an Economist here)

- US will lose a few thousand jobs at most, but corporate revues will be hit hardest - No Big Deal in a Weak Economy today

- US Petrol Dollar will face immediate Drop by the Russians who hold $111 B Dollars in Treasuries

http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/german-economy-hit-by-us-eu...
"...The German Chambers of Commerce and Industry estimate that up to a quarter of German companies that do business abroad could be affected...."
"...German industry's Committee on Eastern European Economic Relations believes that the crisis could endanger up to 25,000 jobs in Germany..."

Plenty of Rich Diplomats in EU & Germany will hold to policy for at least a year for it's NATO Alliance & US Benefactor who Leases Military Bases and Employs maybe 50,000 Germans(??) BUT having strong Unions and Socialist programs means job losses take longer and are more expensive for everyone when GDP is cut.

German & French Banks are said to have too much debt and that certain stress tests show loss of GDP and Credit could be very tough.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 17:22 | 5070871 JohninMK
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So its still OK for the big US companies to keep working in Russia.

One day the EU will wake up to the fact that they pay and the US benefits.

BOCHAROV RUCHEY, August 9 (RIA Novosti) - The Chief of ExxonMobil Russia Glenn Waller said he was certain of his corporation's long-lasting cooperation with Russia's oil giant Gazprom at the launch of the companies' joint project in the Arctic.

"Our cooperation is a long-term one. We see big benefits here and are ready to work here with your agreement," Waller said.

http://en.ria.ru/business/20140809/191868491/ExxonMobil-Russia-Says-Cert...

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 19:53 | 5068197 Monty Burns
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All nation-states are being setup to fall, for a specific reason.

Aha, except one.  The one that forces its own unworthy citizens to take Depo Provera and herds illegal gene-polluting immigrants into concentration camps before turfing them back to Africa.  And gets away with it with barely a murmer from the world's media.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 07:06 | 5069322 conscious being
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Except one? Monty the USA is under stress. It  could break up for instance. It could refederlize. It could go Mad Max. So, I don't get your comment.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 19:19 | 5068033 junction
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If Putin doesn't watch out, Obama will unleash his Transgender Alliance on Putin, with Michelle leading the charge.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 21:31 | 5068550 williambanzai7
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Fri, 08/08/2014 - 22:36 | 5068749 Keyser
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Priceless...  And people cheered when Obama said he wanted to fundamentally change America... Little did they know he wanted to turn it into a 3rd world banana republic... 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 03:42 | 5069201 The Black Bishop
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Haha! Fantastic WB7 :-)

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