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Organized Community Defense Is America’s Last Hope

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Submitted by Brandon Smith of,

Not long ago, I felt compelled to address the idea of self defense as a moral imperative in an article titled “Violence In The Face Of Tyranny Is Often Necessary.” My intention was to perhaps undo some of the propaganda conditioning that Americans have suffered over the decades that has taught them that “all” forms of violent action are “immoral”, including the defense of one’s person, one’s property, and one’s freedom.

The recent uprising at Bundy Ranch in Bunkerville, Nev., confirmed my predictions that many Americans are tired of playing by rules chartered by the establishment and are ready to take measures outside of the boundaries set by the system. The reality is that change will never come without consequence and cost, and when faced with an entrenched tyranny, if the citizenry cannot present the threat of physical consequence to their oppressors, the oppressors have no motivation to relinquish power.

To use the schoolyard analogy yet again, it is a fact of life that the class bully will not leave a victim in peace because he is enthralled with the feeling of power over others. The bully will not stop because he has no incentive. Protesting only encourages him. Using the system as a shield only amuses him. Logic and reason only anger him. Punching the bully in the teeth is the only incentive he will respect. If you show that you can disrupt a tyrant’s abuse of power anytime you wish, if you show that you can hurt him back, only then will he take you seriously.

There is a rather insane notion within modern activist movements that self defense represents an abandonment of higher principle. They argue that to fight is to automatically lose, and to prepare for conflict is “extreme.” I would say that self defense is actually the HIGHEST principle one can value, for without the courage to physically resist tyranny, without the will required to put one’s life at risk to stand against the evils of the world, ALL other principles will be lost. Even Gandhi, the man often idolized by pacifists and “non-violent” activists, recognized this fact:

"Hence also do I advocate training in arms for those who believe in the method of violence. I would rather have India resort to arms in order to defend her honor than that she should in a cowardly manner become or remain a helpless witness to her own dishonor…"


"When violence] is offered in self-defense or for the defense of the defenseless, it is an act of bravery far better than cowardly submission…"

I believe that the idea that self defense is a morally unacceptable option for dissenting groups is an obnoxiously false one, promoted by the establishment itself and sold to easily brainwashed dupes to steer the public away from the only method that could in fact do harm to the elitist power structure. The holier-than-thou attitude of the pacifists is encouraged as the system plays to their exaggerated sense of righteousness. Good people want to remain seen as good people, and even though deep down most of them understand that fighting back against aggression is not wrong, the peer pressure of the sunshine patriots often convinces them to keep their mouths shut, or otherwise they might “hurt the cause.” I say that without self defense and the possibility of action, there is no cause.

As I write this, I am working during a brief trip to Alaska. I was invited by Stewart Rhodes, the head of Oath Keepers, to check out the logistical progress of a project he has launched in an effort to counter the apathy and inability of the American populace today to present a meaningful defense against a host of threats the public faces in these increasingly chaotic times.  The very real dangers of economic instability, poverty, civil unrest, open borders, viral pandemic, and Federal corruption are all factors that led to the creation of the Oath Keepers CPT (Community Preparedness Team) program.

The CPT program is a State-by-State program designed to reestablish the concept of localized community preparedness and self defense measures in case of regional or national crisis, including localized security, medical, food and water supply, as well as engineering and communications: everything a neighborhood, a town, a county, or state would need to rebuild in the advent of unexpected (or expected) catastrophe. The CPT mission is to train groups of people within as many communities as possible to a pinnacle of preparedness knowledge, and then send them out to train other citizens in other towns and counties, replicating their knowledge across the nation as they go until eventually every person has the ability to become self reliant and unafraid.

The establishment would have you wait for help in the wake of a disaster, begging a bureaucracy like the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) for aid that you may never receive, when you could be helping yourself and your neighbors without any need for Federal involvement. The establishment would also rather have you unorganized and helpless in the event that they choose to overstep their Constitutional mandate and deny you your inborn liberties.

They do not fear traditional protests and cardboard signs, as movements like Occupy Wall Street end up trampled, ineffective, and mostly forgotten. But they do fear citizens with resolve ready to fight to keep their freedoms, as we saw at Bundy Ranch with the outright retreat of the Bureau of Land Management. When in doubt, do exactly what the oligarchs fear.

I have myself joined a CPT group in my home county in Montana, and I have also seen excellent groups in training in Alaska. The people I have met through CPT come from all walks of life, a full spectrum of ages, and various career backgrounds. Many have military experience, from administrative to tactical. Each person brings to the table an impressive array of skill sets, from science and engineering to security to medical and beyond. All of them have been highly intelligent, effective, and unwavering in their principles, not to mention the finest collection of folks I’ve had the pleasure of working with. If America had to start again from scratch, I would suggest starting with the Bill Of Rights, and the kinds of citizens that make up the core of the Oath Keepers CPT.

The only negative responses I have seen in reference to the CPT concept have come from establishment mouthpieces like the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), and from activists with a rabid attachment to pacifism who for some reason feel threatened by the mere idea that other activists might train for the worst case scenario.

In my view, if a goal can be achieved through a purely peaceful redress of grievances, then it should be. However, it is foolish to expect that some evils can be defeated by reasonable speech and refusal of participation alone. In fact, these methods are nothing more than a stop-gap, a delaying tactic in the face of inevitable conflict between those people who desire to control others, and those people who only wish to be left alone.

I find that people who deny this reality tend to be people who have no previous legitimate experience with self defense and preparedness. In the world of non-threatening white-bread activism, they can play at being heroes, patting each other on the back for their poetic speeches and catchy slogans. But as the movement evolves towards real tangible organized defense and proactive preparation, they lose their status as heroes and fall behind the curve. The “intellectual warriors” then have to become true warriors, or otherwise be left in the dusts of history. For some, the change is upsetting, and they tend to take the reprehensible position that NO ONE should be allowed to train effectively for self defense scenarios, lest the movement be labeled as a whole with the dreaded "M word" (Militia).  In response to their skewed philosophy I would ask one simple question - If we are doing what is right and what is practical, why should we limit ourselves by catering to the unreasonable fears of others?

I see great hope in the growth of the CPT program and Oath Keepers; perhaps the only hope this country has left. For if we do not organize with our neighbors to protect our communities from all enemies, foreign and domestic, then who will? I also see a welcome alternative to the long failing methodologies of “lone wolf” survivalists, as well as shamelessly recreational protestors.

When people ask me for solutions to the collapse of America, often they are looking for a predetermined top-down magic bullet response. There is no such thing, nor will there ever be. There is no scenario in which we will escape unscathed. There is no cartoon-land happy ending at the finale of this story.

The “solution,” as it were, is ultimately something that many do not want to hear about; namely, hard work, sacrifice and a willingness to put everything on the line for the future. Our only advantage is that we still have some time, and any time is better than no time. What we have left must be used now to the greatest effect possible by organizing together for self reliance and security during collapse.


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Fri, 08/08/2014 - 22:22 | 5068705 zorba THE GREEK
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AR-15 or AR-10 with frangible ammo is the best defense 

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 22:25 | 5068710 Slave
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Yep, or AK with Federal Fusion. Go test some. Thank me later.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 22:31 | 5068737 Pladizow
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Be your own first responder.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 22:41 | 5068757 0b1knob
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Organized community defense is the exact equivalent to domestic terrorism to the current government.

DHS has bullets with all our names on them.  Billions of them.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 22:43 | 5068764 Slave
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Give me liberty or give me death. Not a bad position to be in, IMO.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 23:30 | 5068862 Elvis the Pelvis
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America's problems are fixable.  It might take another five or six years.  But we'll climb out of the swamp.  Bitchez.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 23:59 | 5068916 Keyser
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American citizens are the most heavily armed militia on the planet, as our Constitution made provisions for... If it comes down to repelling an enemy, I don't think any of the red states will have a problem... 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 00:55 | 5068997 Manthong
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This is scary..

Next thing you know there will be FOLKs out there claiming to have green surplus ammo cans just full of rounds.

Maybe those are some of the ones Ebolomama admits to torturing.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 01:08 | 5069043 Comte de Saint ...
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Oath Keepers = government PSYOP designed to identify dissenters

2nd Amendment advocates = lower animals unable to think for themselves, extremely gullible and easy to manipulate, guided by a laughable and jingoistic patriotism. They don't have a single clue of what Martial Law is all about, no understanding and lack of experience in non conventional, unrestricted or asymmetric warfare. Dozens of thousands of these good-for-nothing will die foolishly while trying to challenge the Sovereign, and they will simply be remembered as the useful idiots from whom the gun manufacturers in America made so much money.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 01:12 | 5069052 markmotive
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Community can't even look out for each other in good times. Scum like this will steal anything of value in bad times.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 04:31 | 5069227 Never One Roach
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Benelli M2 is my favorite...bird gun.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 05:49 | 5069273 Headbanger
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Wow!   I can't believe I'm seeing this article here !

I've been saying the same thing to all my shooting friends and especially reminding them of the first words of the Second Amendment to be a "Well regulated militia.." instead of a bunch of "lone wolf" preppers who will not survive long on their own when "SHTF Day" finally arrives. Or worse, letting it devolve into "mob rule"  like the French Revolution "reign of terror"

So this is an extremely valuable topic which must be promoted by all of us to survive as people and a nation or else we'll just murder each other and then occupied by our foreign enemies and allies alike.

And all because Obama!

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 06:49 | 5069310 negative rates
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It's show time, and show time is no time, for changing your mind.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 07:33 | 5069338 North Sea Cowboy
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It's show time America!

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 12:38 | 5069993 lincolnsteffens
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Obama is but the latest in a long line of usurpers of the public trust. The problem is the public has been trained to trust too much and not verify. Besides, he is just a useful tool to those that think they don't have enough for themselves yet.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 11:21 | 5069729 bigrooster
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@Comte de Saint ...

Cowards and fools like you will be the ones to die first.   With no means of self defense you will overrun by the Free Shirt Army and the Illegal Brown Cloud.  But when we come out the other side it will be nice to have a lot less of you around.


I am a member of Oathkeepers and the members are honorable men and women who have served this country and are now trying to save it.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 12:45 | 5070013 Uncle Remus
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I am a member of Oathkeepers and the members are honorable men and women who have served this country and are now trying to save it.


Good for you. Comte de Saint may have a point regarding OK not being all that it seems. Everything past that is horseshit though. Stewie doesn't have a good track record when it comes to confrontation with the PTB goons. Bundy and before that DC are the better known examples and Bundy was a doozy.

I took the same oath that 10s of thousands of others have taken and being a dues paying card carrying member of anything isn't going to make a difference. Only YOU can make a difference and a piece of card stock in your wallet won't stiffen your spine anymore than it is. How many SOBs strutting around the Pentagon have the same card? How about pepper spray boy in blue WB7 has so much fun with? And the choad sniffers in New Mexico?

Look, we've got enough cults of personality fucking shit up as it is. Stay locally focused, prepared and aware.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 12:56 | 5070049 KnuckleDragger-X
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I took my oath along with my commision back in '78 and believed every word I said and still believe it. It may make me a fool or whatever but I'm still willing to die for it.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 19:56 | 5071258 Uncle Remus
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That oath has really picked up a lot of mass over the years.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 11:49 | 5069844 H. Perowne
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Comte de Saint Germain = 11 week DHS troll amirite?

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 18:55 | 5071088 villainvomit
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Cds says "2nd Amendment advocates = lower animals unable to think for themselves, extremely gullible and easy to manipulate, guided by a laughable and jingoistic patriotism*

LOL ! 

Where did you learn that bullshit ? 

It's called inalienable rights.  One of which is the right of self protection.  Are you gonna trust Feinstein or a NYC Cop to protect you when three or four criminals bust in your door at three a.m. ?  hahaha


Fuck you !




Sat, 08/09/2014 - 01:07 | 5069041 Comte de Saint ...
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Sat, 08/09/2014 - 03:21 | 5069179 gatorboat
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"If it comes down to repelling an enemy, I don't think any of the red states will have a problem... "

So you'll let this govt go full communist long as they don't send goons after you? 

How can such a defensive posture "take Ameirca back"?

It can't. 

"Taking America back" would require a massive offensive effort, which I just don't see happening.

So-called "patriots" have admitted defeat pretty much.  They've given up on "taking America back" and adopted this "just protect me and mine" mentality.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 08:46 | 5069395 Keyser
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Where else is a person to start other than protecting yourself, your family and your property... Once secure, taking back the country is the next step... No one said it would be easy... 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 13:51 | 5070216 gatorboat
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When you leave your property to "go take America back", it's no longer protected.

So your idea of protecting your property then heading off to "take America back" is bullshit. 

It's just another excuse to put off doing what you know cannot be done. It's why nothing has been done toward that objective.  No planning, no organizing, no leaders, no nothing. 

"Take America back" is logistically impossible now.  Tactically impossible.  Strategically impossible.  Everybody here knows it, but nobody here will admit it.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 14:50 | 5070416 Citxmech
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I tend to think you cover yourself and your family first - neighbors and community second - and then if communities can band together with a common interest great, but much more than that will be counter-productive.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 15:09 | 5073166 villainvomit
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Oh it's proteced allright.....but you will have to learn that on your own.

Nothing is impossible. 



Sat, 08/09/2014 - 09:03 | 5069420 all-priced-in
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What % of the military, state & local police will

- join the fight against the government

- participate in the slaughter of American citizens

- do nothing just disappear


Even if 25% join the fight  against the gov - then the government will lose, it doesn't stand a chance - I would guess 60% will.

You know most people in the military and police have families and they will not be real happy about being ordered to shoot them.







Sat, 08/09/2014 - 09:51 | 5069511 R-502
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All it took in the beginning was 3%....Just saying :p

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 10:01 | 5069535 max2205
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We are fucked

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 18:05 | 5070956 JoeSoMD
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I'm sorry, but lots of them will shoot at us.  And they will shoot very accurately.  Go back and look at what the police and firemen did to protesters at the Ford plants back in the day.  Leathal force used.  Several dead.  They were friends and neighbors too.  Same thing happened at coal mines.  This was loooong before modern training methods were employed for soldiers and law enforcement that broke the inherrent block in the brain that inately prevents humans from pulling the trigger when they had another human in their sights.  See "On Killing" by LTC Grossman.  It was based on his PhD dissertation.  He was an Army special forces psychologist who traced the training methodologies employed for authorized shooters.  Back in the day, very few would pull the trigger.  Training methods that desensitized authorized shooters were developed just prior to Vietnam.  Kill rates skyrocketed.  Now, very little formal training is required because of violence that we have become comfortable with on television and in the movies.  The people will be slaughtered by agents of the powers that be.


Sat, 08/09/2014 - 13:54 | 5070227 Totentänzerlied
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This is not directed at you specifically, I'd like to see what anyone who professes to believe that "taking America back" is not a meaningless and physically+logically impossible endeavor, to attempt an answer:

How do you plan to deal with the at least 90% of your fellow citizens (let's just call it 275,000,000 people) who are either indifferent to, mildly antagonistic toward, or actively hostile to your cause, and will never come around to your side?

These people are not a unified foreign occupying enemy or collection of invading armies, they are your colleagues and peers, neighbors and acquaintances, probably even friends and family, you live with and among them.


Of course the point is, the America you want back is a distant memory, to the small extent that it ever actually existed outside of wildly embellished literature/propaganda. Just to be clear about the history, it was harassed and beaten frequently starting with the replacement of the Articles of Confederation and Shays' Rebellion, savagely maimed circa the 1850s, humiliated more with each passing decade, slowly poisoned, finally executed between 1913 and the 1930s, and systematically purged from history ever since. The historical moment has well and truly passed. There is nothing still in existence to "take back", and even having an idle desire to do so is enough to earn you the distrust and/or enmity of 9 out of 10 of your countrymen, most of whom would be economically ruined if your vision was realized (in fact, of course, they are already ruined, they just haven't noticed yet).

What we're obliquely discussing is of course ultimately nothing short of a counterrevolutionary revolution, with all that implies.

Disclosure: There's hopeless, and then there's flat-out cosmically improbable on a human timescale. This falls in the latter category. Alaskan secession - after its oil production EROI falls some more - taking parts of western Canada, is a far, far more workable idea. Or for that matter, peacefully colonizing the Russian interior/Far East/Siberia.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 15:32 | 5070530 Buckaroo Banzai
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Americans are swimming in a vast ocean of half-truths and outright lies. As long as they continue to do so, your pessimism is entirely justified.

However. If the bullshit factory ever breaks down, and the ocean gets suddenly drained, you might be surprised at what happens next.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 16:36 | 5070721 TheReplacement
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Just whose side will the 90% be once they do realize their economic ruin?

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 00:06 | 5068922 wee-weed up
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Unfortunately, advocating anything like...

"Organized Community Defense"...

Will get the DHS, CIA, FBI, DOD, EPA...

As well as your local LEO's...

All over your ass!

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 00:21 | 5068955 Bad Attitude
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As one of Dear Leader's heros observed: "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." -- Mao Zedong

Forward (over the cliff)!

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 05:52 | 5069275 Redhotfill
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Thanks Barry!

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 10:29 | 5069584 Wild tree
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Fraid you are thinking more with the Pelvis, Elvis.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 22:43 | 5068765 DaddyO
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Molon Labe, Bitchez!


Fri, 08/08/2014 - 22:54 | 5068783 e_goldstein
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On the issue of equipment procurement, I think we could all follow ISIS' example.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 14:52 | 5070425 Citxmech
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Be a useful idiot for the State Department?

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 23:27 | 5068855 Trogdor
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Yes, yes they do ... and I've watched them train with those bullets and been astounded by how badly they suck and putting them on target.  It's actually been very heartening to know that even with the best equipment and ammunition, the statist's private thugs can barely hit a dinner plate at 200 yards from a bench - and certainly not twice in a row .....

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 23:48 | 5068896 NidStyles
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200 yards is rather far away for any one that is in a firefight... 


It's the less than 100 feet range that actually matters. 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 01:04 | 5069036 Manthong
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I took the missus to the range last week.

Although I like the idea that I can keep a close group at 75 feet . All I tried to do was help her keep them all in the black at 15 feet.. point of aim.. no squinting.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 02:32 | 5069143 economics9698
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Lead on target wins.  

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 03:53 | 5069208 Manthong
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Yes, and the reason open carry is important is that a large frame is easier to keep on target.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 06:00 | 5069276 Headbanger
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Open carry makes you a target for gang-bangers after your gun.

If you're in a fire fight at 75 feet,  it's probably way too late for you or you better get more  "geometry" on your side.

200 yards is a normal range for most shooters I know.

The other guy probably has a bigger caliber than you do.  And a a better scope.  That's zeroed.

So good luck.


Sat, 08/09/2014 - 06:48 | 5069309 runningman18
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Gangbangers are faries.  They won't go near someone open carrying, they only go after easy targets. 

I do agree though that engagement distances can vary.  The claim that "all engagements happen within 50-100 yards" is garbage.  Look at Bundy Ranch, it was wide open sniper country.  You never know what terrain you will end up in, so train for everything.   

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 16:46 | 5070750 TheReplacement
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Speaking of which, if in an urban environment, virtually none of the ranges discussed have much application.  Do not go door to door.  Pick a wall and go through that to the next room.  Rinse and repeat until you get to the end of the block.  Don't forget, unlike most 3rd world urban environments you will find a vast underground complex of sewers and whatall that will give you mobility without the threat of being seen from above.  Again, ranges will be very short.  These things are not something I see people include when writing of training for a SHTF big government throwdown.  Urban warfare done right is a meatgrinder for both sides.

Against a modern government military force open space battle would be very difficult and not recommended.  They can outsee, outshoot, and outboom just about 99% of anyone who would fight them.


Sun, 08/10/2014 - 02:02 | 5072042 effendi
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Ranges in an urban battleground can be short or long.

If the enemy is a thousand yards away and your sniper rifle can take him out then his buddies will not know which of 100 buildings or 1,000 rooms the shot came from. From 100' however they will just blow up the building (or block) that you are hiding in.

Internal (and underground) escape/redeployment routes will make their task of finding you hard. If they can't find you then they can't bring their heavy weapons down on you.

Mind you the best way of killing the enemy is not by direct contact but by the hidden hand. IEDs, boobytraps, landmines and buildings collapsing on the advancing enemy are all possible without access to military grade (or even regular) hardware like guns and explosives.

Learn how to make ANFO and thermite, learn how to make spring loaded fletchettes that will pierce any body armour and study up on asymetrical warfare to demoralise and defeat a modern army. 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 08:04 | 5069356 eclectic syncretist
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You're shooting at black targets????!!  Don't you know some people might see that as racist?

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 08:49 | 5069400 Keyser
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Now the blue man group will file suit for oppressive discrimination... 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 12:13 | 5069916 Uncle Remus
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Sat, 08/09/2014 - 19:12 | 5071151 villainvomit
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200 yards ? 

My ten yr old can hit that with iron sights !

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 09:03 | 5069425 optimator
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Range practice vs. practical practice.  If you shoot at something floating in water enough over time you'll know exactly where your shot will land without scope, or even sights.  Practice makes perfect.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 00:05 | 5068918 InjectTheVenom
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plz remember, those DHS goons live amongst us, in homes , with families ... Just sayin'... ;>)

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 01:25 | 5069070 El Vaquero
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A despicable tactic, but none the less, it would be very effective.  They cannot patrol the street if they are at home making sure their wives and children aren't getting drilled in the chest.  Unfortunately, you would probably have to demonstrate not only the ability to bring retribution against them via their families, you would likely have to exercise it a few times so that the rest of them got the hint.


Ask yourself though, what are you willing to become?  Are you incensed when you see innocents getting killed in Ukraine or Gaza?

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 09:15 | 5069442 sleigher
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Despicable maybe, but what are they going to be doing to your family when you are not there?  (you and your generally not you specifically).  Assuming one has made the list and that person is working with their community against this power.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 13:20 | 5070106 El Vaquero
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Nobody ever said that things such as revolution would be good and moral and that atrocities would not be committed by both sides.  I want people who advocate revolution to understand exactly what they are advocating.  Then we can move on to talking about the necessity of a revolution.  I think that strife, whether through revolution or otherwise, is inevitable.  There is a reason that I advocate ripping up one's lawn and growing one's own food.  There is a reason that, despite me finding such a tactic despicable, I acknowledge that it could be effective.  I don't think that the future has a lot of nice things in store for us, and many of us are going to be forced to fall back on our more primitive sides.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 08:49 | 5069402 Keyser
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You can pick your nose, you can pick your wife and you can pick your friends... Choose carefully... 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 00:49 | 5068991 toady
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Damned community organizers.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 01:07 | 5069045 Freddie
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What if you have one or two locals who voted for the community organizer in your neighborhood?  You know - smug liberals?

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 09:41 | 5069497 IRC162
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Ohhh those guys?  

I plan on having the diplomatic lil plaintiffs attorney sit near the road with a contract and a pen.  That Lil fella is gonna be the litmus test for first contact,  and it also makes the Lil guy feel empowered and in charge too.   Remember,  a liberal without control is a loose cannon.  We armed ours with a contract and a pen.  WHO'S THE MAN NOW YOU NON CONTRACT-PACKING BITCHEZ? 

Dats mah attorney up there on point,  dog. 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 09:45 | 5069285 RafterManFMJ
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H.R. 5344

Will ban the purchase / transportation / possession of body armor.

Because you must grovel and submit; only Imperial troops get armor.

Best buy it now.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 12:07 | 5069899 whirling tword ...
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and don't do it online... best buy it with cash and carry.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 10:08 | 5069501 whirling tword ...
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Um... to consider and armed response to our government overreach is foolish.

What we have right now is a lot of people boiling over with anger... no doubt....  this kind of response will only hurt the cause of freedom.... it gives excuses to further disarm under the guise of safety... or something done in the name of the children etc. etc....

Unless or until there are more people that have more to gain than to lose by arming up then, you just as well admit that any effort will fall far short.

I don't advocate a coup or any other foolish thing like that... the truth is that congress only holds up a mirror to the society we built... .what comes of it is our own undoing.

Now, I have more arms than your average bear but, they're used to hunt with or sport shoot and, if necessary, defend my place.

Altough, I sympathize with the poster, I think that this kind of talk is not constructive and can even inspire some folks to act when they should not....  I mean what does the writer think is going to happen.... Jethro and Jed arming up in camo gear and marching on DC with a bunch of other inspired folks???

It's time to admit that there are very few people paying attention at all... some are beginning to but, even so, they're not going to risk their very lives for a cause like this unless they've already lost everything.

I'm as mad as the next guy but, talk like this doesn't help.

If the writer is talking about defending yourself in the face of a national disaster... that's another thing... I would not allow myself to be disarmed in that situation... nobody is going to take my ability to defend my property... even if I have to defend that right from the government itself.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 22:55 | 5068792 Greenskeeper_Carl
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personally, i got rid of all my dangerous guns and ammo, and knives. we cant be trusted to have these things ourselves. Best thing to do if you feel threatened is to call 911, and wait for the police to show up and protect you. Can't have citizens taking the law into their own hands

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 23:37 | 5068878 joego1
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.. and blow your whistle for help until your blood girgles out of the whistle hole.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 23:49 | 5068894 Skateboarder
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Scissors - the official recommended weapon for the masses.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 00:28 | 5068966 adeptish
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As long as you don't run with them...


Sat, 08/09/2014 - 01:17 | 5069061 Manthong
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He who fights but stays away (like maybe 800 or more yards and knows ballistics) might live to fight another day.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 03:23 | 5069182 thamnosma
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Dull scissors, the ones we used in grade school for art projects

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 02:29 | 5069137 Ayr Rand
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Greenskeeper Carl is apparently a relative of Mayor Bloomberg (whom I agree with on many things but not this particular bon mot): “The last thing you want to do when somebody breaks in and puts a gun toward you is try to go for a gun.” Yes, you should let criminals do whatever they want. Is that what society is based on? Hmmm. 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 04:32 | 5069228 Tall Tom
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Have you ever watched...naaaaah...


I'd be breaking the first rule.



Sat, 08/09/2014 - 05:50 | 5069274 SunRise
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Oh!  So it's Bloomberg who is planning to break in to your house.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 11:36 | 5069781 g speed
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I got news for yoos ------bloomberg's finest will be at the house trying to start the Honda gen for their whinny "loved ones" if TSHTF cause the 'juice" will go first--  and another thing --Fatty ain't going to "serve and protect" if it means no backup and no compensation---and another thing --when the lights go out all those prepaired dominions will be in the dark-- 

You want to learn how to prep--turn off the electric for a few weeks ---get used to it and learn how to make it (probably for a few years at the least) through the No Power Times----

You'll be supprised at what you should have though of but didn't------

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 07:27 | 5069332 Redhotfill
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Carl did you lose them in a tragic boating accident?

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 12:18 | 5069933 New_Meat
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only the dangerous ones ;-)

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 10:56 | 5069657 Ms. Erable
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At least you sold all of yours and got some value out of them; many here have lost their firearms and coin collections due to poor boating skills.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 13:00 | 5070061 Moustache Rides
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Now... if we only had a community organizer.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 22:37 | 5068751 lasvegaspersona
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Don't get all fancy. Any ammo is fine.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 00:12 | 5068937 Statetheist
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Poor Brandon Smith, still believes government should exist.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 01:31 | 5069077 El Vaquero
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I think that, so long as there are enough people grouped together, a state will exist.  I'm an anarchist at heart, but I think that too many want control and too many want to be led for state to not be inevitable.  I think this is why we see cycles of revolution (not always violent) leading to something better, which gets corrupted back to tyranny which necessitates revolution again. The tree of liberty and the blood of patriots and tyrants and all. 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 03:24 | 5069185 thamnosma
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Anarchists work together in communities.  Not sure what your definition of anarchist is.   Nobody can exist alone in a vacuum.  It's ridiculous.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 03:39 | 5069200 El Vaquero
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Statists rely on communities.  Somebody will dupe a bunch of dumb motherfuckers, and you'll have a state, whether you like it or not.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 11:50 | 5069843 PoliticalRefuge...
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..maybe you should read some of his other thoughts before you go off all half cocked.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 00:37 | 5068975 F0ster
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Listen all you gun owners who think your guns will save you. I'm a passionate supporter of the 2nd and have many firearms but you, me and most of the good folks with firearms in the US are grossly under qualified to conduct and win an exchange of fire against the tyrannical forces our taxes have paid for. So my advice to you is think of survivalism terms of 'fight or flight'. You won't win the gun fight so default to a better 'flight' strategy and be prepared to hand over your wepeons when they knock on your door. You fight, you die, end if story. Leave and strategize your response, at least you'll be alive and have a chance to align with the winning revolutionary solution.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 00:51 | 5068993 Totentänzerlied
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The optimal strategy is simply to not be wherever trouble - of whatever kind - is, period. These are the kinds of places that don't get tourists, don't have malls, and aren't near  highways.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 08:52 | 5069406 Keyser
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Or leave the country, which is my first choice... 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 02:04 | 5069107 Leraconteur
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Yours is a sensible proposition.

Unfortunately, like so many discussions that we all had late Saturday night our Sophomore year of university, we know it is not true and that recent events prove that your thesis is not true.

you, me and most of the good folks with firearms in the US are grossly under qualified to conduct and win an exchange of fire against the tyrannical forces our taxes have paid for.


Such as the people of ISIS, urban guerillas in Iraq, anyone in Afghanistan, and so on. All were out gunned and out manned and out spent and the tech gap was greater than one hundred years.

Yet they all held the world's most technologically advanced armed forces to a protracted stalemate. Even drones did not stop them.

So in light of this, it seems reasonable to conclude that if the army turns on Americans, that Americans will prevail.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 02:21 | 5069128 El Vaquero
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If I had to teach people a course on revolution in the USA in the 21st century, I would not start with guerrilla tactics and firearm training.  I would only be qualified, but not credentialed, how to teach people firearm training anyway.  I would teach self sufficiency and supply chains in a decentralized system, and I would be learning as I taught.  This knowing how to learn and figuring out new things will be the most valuable skill.  If a revolution does break out, whether you participate in it or not, you will need to be able to provide for more than just you and yours or be backed by somebody who knows this, else the whole thing will cannibalize itself.  Probably literally.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 08:22 | 5069370 MeBizarro
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Another American who knows nothing about modern military conflict.  If the Russians could have invaded Pakistan without starting WW3, they would have easily won in Afghanistan.  There civilian programs to integrate and rebuild life in the major cities were quite effective and often enjoyed strong support and where practiced a 'scorched earth' campaign and destoryed villages and focused on eradicating the entire civilian population they were incredibly successful too and resulted in depopulating large parts of the country who ended up in huge refugee camps in Pakistan and to a lesser degree Iran. 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 13:36 | 5070168 Leraconteur
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I disagree due to your flawed argument, not due to your errant assertion that I do not know history.

The flaw in your argument is this: You argue that the Russians *could have* done such and such. This is identical to the argument that the Americans *could have* gone full bore in Vietnam and Afghanistan and....

My point is that they never do, because there is always that brake upon them going to the full extent. This always happens in recent history post-1945. Sanity intrudes.

I suppose that trend could be broken, but since I prefer to use history as a guide I will stay with my assertion.

"Could have" means nothing if there is always a circumstance that has all actors pull up short, and that's exactly what has happened over and over and over since 1946.

Look at what IS and what happens not hypotheticals to support your point.

If the condition of "not starting WW3" is always acting as a hindrance to actors behaviour - and it is - then you must accept that they could not do as you claim because in all future similar situations the actors will make the same choice and pull on the reins.



Sat, 08/09/2014 - 02:25 | 5069131 John_Coltrane
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So, you're saying we can't be as effective as say, the Viet Cong eh?  Was that the American army running away from Saigon via rooftop evacuation?  Or that IADs won't work in American cities as well as they did in driving us out of Iraq? Let's see how many trained swat team members did Randy Weaver eliminate by himself-even his teenage son killed one of those SOBs?  Once the population loses trust, no amount of fancy arms or paid thugs can preserve the status quo (see the fall of the Soviet Union as an example).

By the by, this is an excellent article:  especially the phrase  hard work, sacrifice and a willingness to put everything on the line for the future.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 08:27 | 5069375 MeBizarro
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Pick up a history book and actually read about the Vietnam conflict.  After '68 and the Tet offensive when the Viet Cong were completely wiped out as a fighting force, it was all NVA regulars who did the fighting for the rest of the war and rolled into Saigon on Russian and to a lesser degree by that point Chinese armor.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 12:08 | 5069904 PoliticalRefuge...
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Actually NVA strategy changed after the 68 Tet attempt moving away from battalion sized encounters to mostly smaller ambush or harassment strategy, waiting and wearing us out for the most part once they realized the war was already won in DC.

I was both up north on the DMZ and down south in the Arizona territory area, the tactics in the south were booby traps and roadside bombs, with the occasional mortar or rocket attacks on fixed position with limited mano y mano encounters for the most part.

My call is the booby trap strategy in the south was a far more effective method, trooper moral really takes it on the chin when you suffer steady damage but never actually see the enemy.

We would be wise to remember the lessons of history, fight if you must but never fight from a self imposed disadvantage.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 02:16 | 5072048 effendi
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FOster, I don't know why so many down voted you. You are right, you do not take on the force of the state on your own in a head to head fight as you will die (as might your family). 

Better to get away and fight another day. If need be hand over your B grade weapons and appear submissive (but have your better weapons hidden away to serve up the dish best served cold when the JBTs are off duty and off their guard).

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 01:24 | 5069067 beaglebog
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Guns are great ... but useless in the absence of the WILL to use them.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 03:17 | 5069175 barre-de-rire
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zorba.... best defense is your brain. guns are for weak people.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 04:37 | 5069232 Tall Tom
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Yes. That is why the Military forces have guns.



Sat, 08/09/2014 - 08:55 | 5069412 Keyser
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Tell that to the people that are still alive today for not only having a weapon, but knowing how to use it... Case in point, an 80 year old woman in the US this week fended off a home invasion because she had a weapn... Can't say that for the EU / UK, Australia etc, now can you? 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 16:20 | 5070677 TheReplacement
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AK (47 or 74) is more reliable for longer without need of a gunsmith to repair it when it does break.  Russian ammo is cheaper to buy in bulk and it will store longer than NATO ammo and still remain viable.  Interchangeability between makes is better and the platform is stupid simple to use and maintain.  Which platform would you prefer to field strip and clean between firefights, not knowing how long you have until the next one?  That's right, an AK can go a lot longer between cleanings so the gun is not out of action on a regular basis.  ARs will break badly if not maintained properly and at regular intervals.

There are three advantages to the AR platform.  First it is more ergonomically pleasing.  You just have to suck it up and get over it.  Second it is more accurate.  In reality, if you need distance you can pickup a Dragonov or an M1A (American).  Each is more accurate than the average person is capable of exceeding.  Third is that is it is locally made and in theory will always be available.  In the event of a police state smackdown don't count on number three holding true unless you count scavenging from dead fighters but this would hold true for Russian guns too.

Don't buy the accessories line of bull either.  There are rail kits for the fore and dust cover on the AKs.  You can put whatever stock combination you want on an AK including underfolder, sidefolder, and bumpfire.  Going back to the availability of ammo.  You can get an AK chambered in NATO calibers if you so choose.  You can even get that setup in pistol versions of the AK. 

Successful popular revolutions around the world for the past 60 odd years have relied on the AK platform for their infantry needs.  Can you name a single successful popular revolution that relied on the AR/M platform?

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 01:13 | 5071980 good man
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My last pay check was $9500 working 12 hours a week online. My sisters friend has been averaging 15k for months now and she works about 20 hours a week. I can't believe how easy it was once I tried it out. This is what I do...

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 22:25 | 5068713 nmewn
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Ignorant, defenseless, progressive women & children hurt most.

Again ;-)

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 22:46 | 5068755 LetThemEatRand
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Jesus, nmewn.  Progressive children?  What, are they born to it like being a douche?  I was raised Republican, rebelled by going Blue, and then figured out for myself that both teams are part of the matrix.  And by team I include references to terms like "progressive."

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 22:49 | 5068780 nmewn
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Children are born to their parents you idiot, who have an obligation to protect them from whatever. A tyranical government, a foreign invader or the common criminal.

As a sorta of aside, children DO NOT BELONG to the state.

Much to the chagrin of "progressives" I might add ;-)

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 22:59 | 5068800 LetThemEatRand
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Do you work for Rupert Murdoch?  For fuck's sake, it's like talking to Fox News.  Think for yourself, man.  Did I ever say that children belong to the State?  Or did Rupert make that a talking point recently because some douchebag Blue Teamer said it?  By repeating that talking point, you are... repeating a talking point.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 23:05 | 5068810 nmewn
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"Do you work for Rupert Murdoch?  For fuck's sake, it's like talking to Fox News.  Think for yourself, man.  Did I ever say that children belong to the State?  Or did Rupert make that a talking point recently because some douchebag Blue Teamer said it?"

Yes, looking back over it, its clear to everyone I made a comment about Rupert


Busted. Copied & pasted everything you said vs what is there now.


You built

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 23:13 | 5068818 LetThemEatRand
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I have no idea what you are trying to say, except that you are running away from what you said before.   The State owns your mind, my friend.  Wink away and enjoy your facebook terminology.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 23:13 | 5068834 nmewn
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I have no idea what you are trying to say, except that you are running away from what you said before.

and then adding. before anyone can comment..

The State owns your mind, my friend.  Wink away.


and enjoy your facebook terminology.


Would you like me to comment on your sublime internet connection or you gonna hold the floor, saying nothing?

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 23:18 | 5068840 LetThemEatRand
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Thanks for highlighting the best parts of my response :(.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 23:22 | 5068846 nmewn
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Thanks for highlighting the best parts of my response :(.

I'm highlighting that you're being manipulative & deceptive to the reader and you've been true to form. And I'll continue doing it until you stop.

Your choice...

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 23:25 | 5068851 LetThemEatRand
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I've disabled arbitrary bold letters from my browser so I can't even read what you're saying now.  :(

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 23:38 | 5068871 nmewn
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"I've disabled arbitrary bold letters from my browser so I can't even read what you're saying now.  :("

Good, we'll continue...

I started with:

Ignorant, defenseless, progressive women & children hurt most.

Again ;-)

You replied with: I was raised Republican, rebelled by going Blue, and then figured out for myself that both teams are part of the matrix.  And by team I include references to terms like "progressive."

I said:

Children are born to their parents you idiot, who have an obligation to protect them from whatever. A tyranical government, a foreign invader or the common criminal.

As a sorta of aside, children DO NOT BELONG to the state.

Much to the chagrin of "progressives" I might add ;-)


Now that we're back to reset (discarding strawman & red herring Murdochs) what is the problem with "progressives" and parents owning guns to use against the aforementioned tyranical state and/or reforming their minds when they come home from state controlled (progressive) schools?


lol...and I'll remind your "progressive" buddies, down votes mean jack shit to me.

See how I did that? Everyone knows I added to my previous comment...its not deceptive.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 23:44 | 5068890 LetThemEatRand
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Can you speak without Facebook terminology?

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 00:13 | 5068900 nmewn
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"Can you speak without Facebook terminology?

Can you say a child belongs to the parents to protect until they're an adult?


I will remind you sans strawmen & red herrings: Jesus, nmewn.  Progressive children?  What, are they born to it like being a douche?


Can you say a child belongs to the parents to protect until they're an adult?

I thought not...because the bold arbitrary letters on your screen have been disabled, shut down whats left of your "progressive mind", it'll all be better in the morning, I'm sure ;-)

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 00:44 | 5068985 Slave
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This was fun. You two should do this again sometime.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 01:32 | 5069080 nmewn
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I'm positive we will.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 01:46 | 5069095 LetThemEatRand
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Take a friend to church.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 09:58 | 5069527 R-502
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Sat, 08/09/2014 - 16:25 | 5070693 TheReplacement
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I have no problem with everyone owning guns but find the idea of progressives owning guns oxymoronic.  Aren't they the ones calling for more gun control and outright bans on guns?

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 23:06 | 5068817 Stares straight...
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Ayn would beat your ass with one hand tied behind her back and smokin a. Cigarette.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 23:10 | 5068829 LetThemEatRand
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Is that you, Alan?

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 00:37 | 5068978 Aaron Burr
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Oh hell yes---THAT is freakin hilarious!!!

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 12:20 | 5069943 Stares straight...
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No, but ol' man Alan could do it blindfolded.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 01:11 | 5069053 Freddie
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ALL of TV and Hollywood is shit.  If you watch any of it then you are a fool and a stooge for your overlords.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 22:58 | 5068802 Anusocracy
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You were born with an innate obedience to authority manifested as government.

After all the years of your life, you still have it

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 23:32 | 5068863 Coletrane
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SOME are born to follow.
Others , not so much.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 16:28 | 5070705 TheReplacement
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Interesting statement.

Some are born to follow - some will always follow others.

Some are born to follow - some will always be followed by others.

The others must be a might slim minority.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 22:29 | 5068716 Cognitive Dissonance
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".....if the citizenry cannot present the threat of physical consequence to  their oppressors, the oppressors have no motivation to relinquish power."

In theory you are correct. In practice it should read "sustained physical consequence" since they have no intention of relinquishing power. Period! It must be pried from their cold...............

Unfortunately I don't expect the will of the citizens of this country to reach that level of determination for several more decades.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 22:47 | 5068763 DaddyO
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Backed into a corner, eh?


Sat, 08/09/2014 - 02:09 | 5069114 Manthong
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I don’t know, CD..

But maybe this decade if enough old farts do a good enough job of teaching the young farts.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 22:41 | 5068760 DaddyO
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On this point, I think you underestimate the deep seething of resentment and anger looking for an outlet.


Fri, 08/08/2014 - 23:01 | 5068809 Quus Ant
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Oh, they'll get an outlet.  ISIS, Syria, Iran, Russia, China- there will be a neverending barrage of targets suitable for American ire and indignation.


Fri, 08/08/2014 - 23:05 | 5068813 psychobilly
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"On this point, I think you underestimate the deep seething of resentment and anger looking for an outlet."

No doubt there is a lot of that, but the percolating can take decades before coming to a head. 

1642 ==> 1775 ==> 1861 ==> 20??

This cycle does seem to be getting long in the tooth.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 12:59 | 5070056 Uncle Remus
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Toss in the 1960's and it might be the teeth are getting nubby.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 23:21 | 5068845 Cognitive Dissonance
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Not at all. I fully expect that deep seething of resentment to be directed towards the next convenient fall guy/group those in power will helpfully place within swinging, or shooting, distance from the seething crowd.

I didn't opine on whether people are angry, only if they would direct their anger in a sustained manner towards those most responsible for this mess we find ourselves in. Since in our own small way we are all just a little responsible for this fine mess we find ourselves in, while I do not absolve the sociopaths directing this insane asylum from running this country into the ground, most people are not ready or willing to acknowledge the inconvenient truth that "We the People" did nothing while Rome burned. Thus any handy dandy scapegoat will suffice to adsorb our misplaced anger.

This is why most, if not all, revolutions ultimately fail. Because we never really soul search to discover why the mess happened in the first place, the old boss is quickly replaced with the new boss who is remarkably similar to the old.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 23:58 | 5068914 Shad_ow
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Many of us understand what has happened and why.  We even acccept our apathy as guilt in the destruction of our freedom.  Where I differ with you is that we are civilized, perhaps too civilized to overcome the evil in power.  We want to find a way to turn the country around without bloodshed by innocents.

I agree with you it will not happen for decades because it cannot happen without bloodshed and that will not happen until there is little or nothing left to lose.  It may never happen if the creeping violence from around the world comes here.  Thankfully I will be gone then but I fear for my children and grandchildren.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 01:39 | 5069086 El Vaquero
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Little or nothing left to lose is going to come quicker than you might think.  We have been in a state of grinding collapse for 40 years or so.  More people working more hours taking on more debt to remain in the middle class really started to take off back in the 70s.  It was an inflection point.  We had two more big events around 2000 when the employment-population ratio peaked and when Lehman imploded.  This is a problem driven by processies best described by the exponential function, and if those processes are going to lead to a problem, everything is going to look just fine, until all of a sudden, it is not. 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 09:38 | 5069491 sleigher
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Turn the country around without bloodshed?  Maybe it is just grasping or something, but looks like it might take hold.  Look at  Not spamming or anything, but they are making a go of the common law grand jury as defined by the consitution.  As far as turning the country around without bloodshed, this may be one of the few options available.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 11:18 | 5069725 Shad_ow
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Good avenue to try but with corrupt judges and law enforcement being paid to follow orders, I fear it will not be what is necessary.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 12:42 | 5070008 PoliticalRefuge...
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  "Off goes the head of the king, and tyranny gives way to freedom.
 The change seems abysmal.
 Then, bit by bit, the face of freedom hardens, and by and by it is the old face of tyranny.
Then another cycle, and another.
But under the play of all these opposites there is something fundamental and permanent — the basic delusion that men may be governed and yet be free".. Mencken.

There seems to be a pattern of life, readily observable and more than likely insurmountable inasmuch as it is in the DNA of man.

DeathstarWashington has a serious achilles heel problem, the District of Corruption only exports regulatory misery, they do not have their own power supply, nor can they sustain themselves without commodities very long- I'm pretty sure that's why they have not mobilized yet.

Isolating the enemy would be my first strategy, I wonder if the media whores have realized that only certain people enjoy 24/7 gun protection yet? -DC's flanks are wide open.

However history indicates that Libertarian minded men make lousy politicians, they just don't have the natural instincts to rule or impose their will on others from a strong hand that morally compromised men will.


Fri, 08/08/2014 - 23:28 | 5068858 Patriot Eke
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I very respectfully disagree.  There are millions of Americans currently preparing for war.  Training courses are full, weapons sales are high, and lines in stone have been made.

Fri, 08/08/2014 - 23:50 | 5068904 Cognitive Dissonance
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I do not disagree with your assessment of weapons sales and what not. And I have no doubt that many will (initially) resist when they are finally triggered. The question as I outlined is if they will do so in a sustained manner.

When I see the mailman, butcher and office worker on the front lines I will change my opinion.  Unfortunately many have a romantic vision of George Washington's revolution as a template for action. The world has changed and revolution is not fought as it was centuries ago when the power base was far away across the ocean. The bloody ticks are rooted deep right here in America my friend and there are millions and millions of them who suckle from government's teat.

I am not saying it can't be done, only that it will be more of a psychological metamorphosis than a physical armed insurrection that will change the course of this nation. If enough people are willing to declare enough is enough this can all be changed overnight. People want change all right. They just don't want their own lives to change. Can't have one without the other I'm afraid.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 00:06 | 5068929 Shad_ow
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So true, many are preparing but many more are still living their lives as though nothing has changed.  They have not been affected enough to upset their happiness or plans for the future.  This will prevent any rebellion of a scale large enough to matter.  The economy is worsening despite the lies.  It will depress living standards more and disquiet will grow.  As you said above, it will take decades for the degradation to reach a scale that will bring the will to do what it take to remove the tyrants.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 01:49 | 5069097 El Vaquero
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They won't need sustained resistance.  Our economy is already unstable.  They only need to do something that breaks supply chains, then survive the zombie hoards that they unwittingly unleash to feed upon the masses.  Who are the zombies. 


On people want change without their own lives changing, I'll gladly revert to cooperative farming in my community in exchange for all property having allodial title.  I'd demand a few more concessions while I'm at it too, but that's a start.  We are at the point where we need a much less complex society, but the asshats in charge are pushing for a more complex society.  Look around and tell me that you don't see mass incompetence.  IMO, a lot of that is driven by overcomplexity and overregulation.  Nobody can understand all of the rules and procedures that they are supposed to follow, so shit gets screwed up.  A lot of people cannot comprehend doing something that doesn't involve following rules and procedures anymore.

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