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Ukraine Prepares To Impose Russian Gas Transit Ban, Commit Economic Suicide
While Ukraine has long since ceased being a customer of Gazprom (for the simple reason being that it can't afford to pay for historical gas purchases let alone future ones, and with a long cold winter just 3 months ahead, Kiev is praying that its brand new Western "allies" will give it the loans it needs to buy Europe-sourced gas), the bulk of Russia-sourced gas into Europe still transits through Ukraine.
Not surprisingly, Ukraine correctly understands this is the last trump card it has in any negotiation with the west, or the east. It is this trump card that went into play moments ago when Ukraine's Prime Minister who recently resigned and whose resignation was not accepted, said that Ukraine is considering banning the transit of all Russian "energy resources", i.e. European gas.
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Ukraine ready to impose sanctions against any transit via its territory, including air flights and gas supplies to Europe, Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk said Friday. Ukraine's Parliament will vote on the sanctions on Tuesday. Kiev has also prepared a list of 172 Russian citizens and 65 companies predominantly Russian to put under sanctions for “sponsoring terrorism, supporting the annexation of Crimea, and violating the territorial integrity of Ukraine,” Yatsenyuk said at a briefing on Friday.
Proposed sanctions include asset freezes, bans on certain enterprises, bans on privatizing state property, refusing to issue licenses, and a complete or partial ban on transit- both aviation and gas.
“We simply have no other choice,” the Prime Minister said, adding that Ukraine will use part of the $17 billion IMF aid to achieve energy independence, and may go to the World Bank for help.
Ukraine wants to “put a stop” to its gas dependence on Russia, its main source for energy to heat homes and buildings, but understands it will not be an “easy” process, Yatsenyuk told reporters.
The Prime Minister estimates Ukraine could stand to lose $7 billion as a result of imposing sectorial sanctions against Russia, its biggest trading partner after the European Union.
“There is no doubt that Russia will continue its course in Ukraine it began a decade ago- banning Ukrainian goods, decreasing cooperation, pressure, and blackmail,” Yatsenyuk said.
On Monday the Ukrainian government said it plans to mirror Western sanctions and target Russia’s financial, energy, and military sectors.
Ukraine imports nearly 50 percent of its natural gas from Russia, which in 2013 totaled 27.7 billion cubic meters of natural gas.
If approved, a halt to Russian gas transit would hit Europe as the continent gets 15 percent of the energy it needs from Russia. In June Gazprom, Russia’s national gas company announced it was stopping deliveries to Ukraine, but would continue to ship 180 billion cubic meters of gas to Europe.
So in summary, Ukraine will destroy its economy, incurring $7 billion in costs, just to spite Gazprom and force Europe as leverage and to escalate the conflict, because without Russian gas Europe is powerless.
Who wins here? Clearly not the Ukraine people, who are looking at not only soaring inflation as Kiev will have no choice but to inflate away this $7 billion loss through "printing", not to mention have a cold winter to look forward to. The answer: Burisma Holdings, where Joe Biden's son is a director and which will promptly commence shale gas exploration as an "alternative" to Russian gas, over the objections of the local people - after all can't let a crisis go to waste.
And who funds all of this? Why you dear US taxpayer, via IMF loans, which will be used to pay for young Master Biden's Christmas bonus!
The only question is whether Europe will merely stand there and wait as 15% of its energy is suddenly cut off (hint: no).
Or Russia for that matter. However, it is here that that other wildcard comes in the play: the South Stream pipeline which bypasses Ukraine entirely, and enters Austria by way of Bulgaria, Serbia and Hungary.
- TRANSNEFT: UKRAINE'S POSSIBLE TRANSIT BAN WILL HURT EU, UKRAINE
- TRANSNEFT: RUSSIA HAS ALTERNATIVE ROUTES IF UKRAINE IMPOSES BAN
However there is a big unknown: the Bulgarian government, which has been on the fence whether to support Russia, or Europe's bureaucrats (if not corporations) who want South Stream halted for now as that would mean their entire "investment" in Ukraine has been for nothing. Although should Ukraine truly proceed with cutting off Russian gas transit, Europe will have no choice but to give its blessing to the South Stream. In the process Ukraine will shoot itself in the foot and commit leverage suicide.
And it doesn't even have to be the South Stream. As RIA reports, Russia delivers about 14 million tons of oil to European consumers via the Druzhba pipeline laid through Ukraine. “We can easily divert these supplies to Druzhba’s northern leg in Belarus,” Transneft spokesman Igor Dyomin said. “Ukraine’s sanctions will be directed against Hungary, Slovakia and Czech Republic.”
Lots of moving pieces in the months ahead, and one can be certain that with John Kerry running the show on behalf of the US, things are about to get far worse than they are right now.
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It's kind of obvious that everything is setup to fail well in advance.
How else could the "intelligence" agencies both create and arm/equip ISIS, for example?
Putin needs the money more than Ukraine needs the gas. how do I know? an article further down this zerohedge page says Putin is deescalating. why this Putin announcment so quickly after Ukrainian threat to block the nat gas pipeline? seems russia will lose more than the Ukraine,
also ujkraine sits atop a HUGE recently deiscovered gas field. all they have to do to stay warm this winter is drill their own gas.
so this is another stupid zerohedge article short on facts, analyis etc etc
[quote]...an article further down this zerohedge page says Putin is deescalating. [/quote]
Right, and Clinton said: "I did NOT have sex with that woman!"
I guess it would depend on the definition of "is".
How long does it take to set up a natural gas industry from scratch? A couple of months? Do you just drill a hole in the ground and you're done? Or do you have to build infrastructure to extract, modify, transport and distribute the gas? If it were THAT easy they'd have already done it.
You don't think Putin in particular, and the Russians in general, are ruthless and masochistic enough to endure a financial collapse to potentially have Europe come begging to them on bended knee? I think the Teutonic Knights, Napoleon and Hitler would disagree with you. When Chechens kidnapped a theatre audience in Moscow, Putin pretty much killed everybody; hostages and kidnappers alike. These aren't people to just surrender because they run out of foreign fiat currency.
+100
Don't talk sense to crazy people, it just gives them hope...
How long does it take to set up a natural gas industry from scratch? A couple of months? Do you just drill a hole in the ground and you're done? Or do you have to build infrastructure to extract, modify, transport and distribute the gas? If it were THAT easy they'd have already done it.
...but ...but that's the way they do it in the movies. you mean it doesn't work like that in RL.
are you kidding? guess not given your handle.
lost money,
Do read and try to understand before you write more nonsense,
This "Ukraine Prepares" article is NOT about whether Ukraine gets gas,
but about Ukraine possibly cutting off TRANSIT pipeline gas
passing from Russia through Ukraine to the rest of Europe.
You also completely misunderstand the "further down" article you referenced.
Russia/Putin have consistently stated from the beginning that a negotiated settlement would be best. That is most reasonable, and in contrast to the US-supported Kiev coup position of a military offensive with "no negotiations".
The alleged "tweet" is mocked because it says nothing new, and is not a "de-escalation" (except in the imaginations of stock market bulls and uncomprehending Russophobes).
"lost money", how did you lose it?
you've lost more than money.
try and read and understand what you read.
if you need help just ask.
there are folks here to help.
moron.
lol
Kiev may believe or hope that the Western MSM
will be able to "convincingly" shift blame to Russia.
A possible MSM headline & newsbite:
"Putin Cuts Off Gas to Europe !"
"In savage retaliation for sanctions against the Russian invasion of Ukraine,
Putin cuts off gas and threatens to freeze millions of Europeans this winter."
(speed readers note: I am only predicting how MSM will depict this.
and do not believe such a depiction corresponds with reality at all)
This is the obvious thing the Ukies would do, but it's completely insane. All the solutions are years away, if ever, and the crisis to be provoked is immediate. Developing deposits from fracking will take years. There's no US gas surplus to ship over, nor the facilities and infrastructure to do so. For all the current US-produced energy we hear of, the US is still a net importer on a huge scale. Pipelines from Libya and Nigeria (the reasons for the Gadhafi unpleasantness and Boko Haram) are pie in the sky at this point. Same for the Qatari pipeline (the root cause for the murder of Syria).
The Yatzis are obviously the Gimp in this scenario. They'll do as The Master tells them and love the lash. Clearly the strategy here is straight out of Brzezinski, Kissinger and Wolfowitz. Any and all potential rivals to US global dominance must be eliminated, no matter how. Drive a wedge between Europe and Russia, to destabilize both. Deprive Russia of money, deprive Europe of energy. Note the countries where trouble springs up, and the US involvement. A ring around Russia, China and the EU. Or on top of resource deposits, and the routes to market for those resources.
It's a huge and dirty gamble, and the timing isn't right. This should have waited a couple of years, until actual fracking ventures started showing results, or pipelines were in progress. Clearly something has gone wrong, or the oncoming implosion of our debt-based fiat system reliant on infinite growth has hastened more quickly than predicted. The US is provoking a crisis it's insufficiently prepared to deal with, taking a giant risk that Europe will jump the way we want as usual. The crisis approaching within the next 3 months (the onset of winter) may force Europe to not act as usual.
When somebody does something that appears obviously irrational, you have to wonder if they're really crazy or if they know something. Sometimes it's both. I think we'll all find out when overnight temperatures in Eastern Europe dip below freezing.
good points .
"Colonel Hunger and Hyperinflation the Saboteur"
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.de/2014/06/translation-of-must-read-articl...
President Piglet is still there, but it's unclear what it is he is doing. In fact, it is becoming unclear whether there even is a Ukrainian government; of late, the officials in Donetsk have been receiving very strange, barely coherent missives from Kiev, obviously written in American English and clumsily translated, then signed and stamped by some Ukrainian monkey to make them look slightly more legit. If the Ukrainian translators run away too, then the American minders will be forced to resort to using Google Translate, making it the world's first experiment in governance through word salad.
Why not diplomacy and governance through GoogleTranslate? We use FaceBook, LinkedIn and Twitter for military intelligence.
Let me repeat this
"It's a huge and dirty gamble, and the timing isn't right. This should have waited a couple of years, until actual fracking ventures started showing results, or pipelines were in progress. Clearly something has gone wrong, or the oncoming implosion of our debt-based fiat system reliant on infinite growth has hastened more quickly than predicted."
TPTB desperation. The dollar is on the ropes and going down faster than hoped. The zio backup fiat world currency looks like the NATO fiat based SDR and it might not be gaining traction (or feasibility). Imagine TPTB without their infinite slush fund, they would probably foment nuclear war to preserve that. In the meantime I am betting Russia and China like the fiat money idea and want their fiats to replace the dollar if they can get away with taking world currency hegemony without specie convertability. Sing to Doris Day tune "A goverment is a goverment wherever they may be, and this is what my little government did to me".
In other words, the NWO/Banker Rats are becoming desperate. And desperate men do desperate things. The only problem is we are the ones who will suffer terribly. Not the Rats.
swmnguy, did you say "pipelines from Nigeria and Liberia"?
You must mean "from Ebolistan". ;-)
Hah--no, I did mean Libya. But I did have ebola granola for breakfast this morning. OK, so much for witty punning today for me.
Excellent post.
- eastern UE is not going according to plan.
- MH17 is more and more seen as a UE/US incident.
- the RU food sanctions may be causing EU to reconsider eg GR has already voiced it might break away from sanctions.
- NATO is not rallying anyone. just listen to loud mouth Rasmussen.
- Israhell is back in the genocide business.
- more and more yuan and rouble swaps.
- BRICS got a boost with the RU sanctions as well as other soAmi countries.
there is a whole bunch of things on the verge of falling apart, there is the sense of panic, something has to crack before winter.
Russian tanks love the winter. :)
When the Berlin wall came down there was an agreement between Bush sr. and Gorbie that NATO would never move east of Germany, that's been broken by the west. Putin is just protecting a long standing Russian defence stratagy of having a buffer country between NATO and it's own borders.
The buffers are historical and the US broke its word.
And further, if you look at China the US is encircling it militarily as well.
A Kagan's gotta eat. Someone has to feed the Ponzi.
you forgot the /s tag
/S, have a look at this map and tell me again how I should be using /s tag. http://www.chinahush.com/2009/12/20/u-s-threat-theory-and-how-we-talk-ab...
check map, south pipe = bulgaria, romania, slovakia, poland..
the northen pipe is germany with certainly by extention belgium & france.
http://www.gie.eu.com/download/maps/ENTSOG_SYSDEV_MAP2012.pdf
it is impossible to cut gaz transit coz only north with norvegian export & russia to germany thru minsk.
the total amount of delivery would collapse, no gaz at all in portugal, spain, almost no in south france, nothing in italy, no swap with switzerland or almost nothing,
south pipe network is so weak thaty pipe transit shutdown in ukrain = 75% europa without gaz. this is immediat WW3.
kiev will be kicked in the ass before tuesday, day of the vote, this CANNOT happen
ukranian pipes shutdown only means south-eastern europe without gas
so germany and western europe can completely ignore this minor issue
"completly ignore " or not...
europ is 28 countries, no more 6. if the east one are gaz less, west will not stay as if nothing happened. as i noted, even if we got mainly norvegian importation, the massive IN/OUT for the east-west pipe still give massive lack of ressources for winter. problem is, when you dont have gaz, you still cook with electricity, not sure the total grid been designed to support heating AND cookin at 20h PM while watching news.
problem can happen.
Southeastern Europe has problems PAYING for the gas (and other imports as well).
Southeastern Europe has very high unemployment rates and lots of people on assistance that is becoming increasingly more difficult to pay for.
Gas delivery interruptions will kill off those at the bottom much more quickly and leave the elites with fewer problems with evictions.
What's not to like? (if one is an elite)
Hey, genius, better find someone else to start your car for the rest of yur soon to be short and painful life.
Expect the Dublin to London air route to again become the busiest in Europe as British consumer soldiers redirect their Materialist obsessions to a more local sphere.
http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/as/aviationstatistics2013
They must keep the dream / nightmare alive.
Eire, the perpetual cheap labor and agriculture farm for the English gentry.
Unfortunately the Irish will not be able to afford to buy the food and other items they produce. But it can and will be exported. Reminds one of certain periods in the past, eh?
Yes but the IRish love kissing the arse of tax cheat Bono plus Bill Clinton and other scum.
The only Irishman will balls is Clare Daly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF5PChW5WDY
I understand Russia backed presidents and policys in Ukraine and offered them billions in loans and cheap gas to have a shared global view that was Russia centric
.
lol this is how they deal with europe bitchez
Russia loses, Ukraine loses and Europe loses. Sounds like an exciting plan; all around hari kari just like the nuclear confrontation they are fucking around with would be.
Outlaw wood burning, they already did
... "And who funds all of this? Why you dear US taxpayer, via IMF loans, which will be used to pay for young Master Biden's Christmas bonus!"....
Are you sure any taxpayer funds are involved? I thought the IMF "loan" to Ukraine consist of SDRs created in the computer. According to Jim Rickards SDRs are a theoretical abstraction with no backing by any of the constituent currencies.
Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk seems to be the USA's Manchurian candidate. ..he isn't there for Ukraine and its people ... he is there as an agent for the US .. and his own wealth and power.
Merkle...you have and will be royally fucked over.. and the US has got you to dig your own grave
German people have to wake up. Yeah, I know, 'mericans have to wake up, but Germans are about to get their gas cut-off. Dump the Bankster pupet Merkle.
Ukraine Geopolitics: Why Does Merkel Disregard Opinion of Her People?
http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/03/14/ukraine-geopolitics-why...
My dream....My hope....My .....utopia....
THAT IF ANY OF THESE LEADER/FUCKS DECLARES WAR ON ANYBODY......
THAT THEY BECOME THE TARGETS...AND ARE SHOT IN THE STREETS....A SERIAL POLITICAL MASS MURDER.....ALL OF THEM....EVERY LAST MOTHERFUCKER.....AND THEN THE BANKERS...AND THE ELITIST SWINE BILDERBOOGING CUNTS.....
OPEN SEASON ON POLTICIOS......
...hey...it's my motherfucking dream
Russians are behind Putin.
They don't seem to mind that all politicians are sociopaths.
It's a pragmatic choice. Only idiots wants leaders that CARE or EMPATHIZE. Leader is supposed to get shit done - for the group that lends him their power.
Democratic system tailored for acheiving results would not be a paradise on Earth - but would sure beat what we have now.
So you're an Obama supporter, right?
What's an Obama supporter? Anything like an athletic supporter?
This winter should be interesting.
Putin shuts off the gas valve and starts his own sanctions.
In the mean time Ebola spreads across the world.
... and Baghdad will be under 16 feet of water, and these ISIS rags will try and re-capture Spain.
It is time for action.
It is time to buy a can of Spam.
isis can only perform when local security stands down.
the police and the spainish army would need to stand down
i am not sure even edwyn rothschild could get all of spain to stand down.
isis is a talmudic satanic rabbi led operation
God I love your posts.
no solution until 2017- 2020
http://ec.europa.eu/energy/infrastructure/pci/doc/pci_map_gas.pdf
This is Ukraine walking into a Police Station, pointing a gun at its own head, and saying, "Everyone get out or the pipeline engineer gets shot in the head!"
The Ukranians have already shown that they will not let aeroplanes pass, so not letting gas pass is par for the course.
Are you suggesting that they will stop passing gas?
Get ready for an invasion to secure use of the pipes. Vlad is gonna make sure Angie gets gas out her ass.
This must be some jewconniving that is issued thru Kiev. These connivers are nothing if not smart, or at least clever.
I just had my 16 year-old son read this and tell me what he thought. He said it seemed to him like the Ukrainian Nazis think they can twist Europe's arms to send them soldiers etc. to wipe out the Separatists, since it's clear the Nazis can't do it themselves. Then he said, "If I were head of a Southeast European country depending on Russian energy, I'd think 'Sure, I could help you kill the Russian separatists, but what then? Then Putin will hate me and cut off my energy, too.' Far better to send in troops to kill the Nazis. Then the situation in Ukraine gets better, Putin isn't pissed at me and--hey, free bonus--the Nazis are dead."
So that's what a teenaged kid thinks.
not bad, not bad at all.
makes more sense than anything coming out of washington. bravo.
i'm afraid he will have to simplify it for the EU USSA a*sholes
"may go to the World Bank for help"
World Bank will print some money, loan it to Ukraine, with Ukraine's natural resouces put up as collateral. Then when Ukraine can't pay off it's debt, the Rothschilds will own some more mines, timberland, and fertile farmland. Nice gig.
I don't think Russia will cut off any gaz. Its E-Z money, and Russia really needs the dough. It would be unnecessarily provocative.
Patience grasshopper.
you dont get it, it is not russia who wanna shut down valves, it is ukrain who threat russia to ban transit form their landed pipeline to make europ react.
this is not the same thing at all.
I do get it. But, there seem to be posters here who think it would be a good strategy for Putin to shut of the gaz in retaliation, especially come winter. My judgment is simpy that he will not and I said (briefly) why.
It would have been helpful if you said it within the box that you've got an off-topic opinion to exhibit.
On your opinion: Russia has no reason to cut gas selling, but it has several reasons to change conditions, eg. higher prices and/or additional bartering with goods necessary.
"My judgment is simpy"
yes it is.
Read article. It is not the Russians shutting off the gas. Come on Bob! Pull your head out of your ass. We need all Americans to be on the ball and not be easily mislead.
it's only common decency to read the article before posting, dude.
many articles on the Saker blog have been tagged with the phrase "Ukrainian National Suicide" these past 6 or 7 months. I see what he means now. This sick regime really doesnt give a fuck about its own people. Burn them, shell them, freeze them, starve them...anything the neocons order!
The Ukraine explained:
A Ukrainian stumbles across a golden frog who offers him two wishes.
The Ukrainian thinks hard and says: "I wish my neighbours cow to die.
The golden frog replies: "ok, you're a spiteful son of a bitch and I understand that. The neighbours cow is dead. What's your second wish?"
The Ukrainian thinks for a minute and answers: "Now I wish my own cow dead."
The golden frog is like: "Dude, WTF! I understand you wishing your neighbours cow dead, why wish your own cow dead as well.
The Ukrainian answers: "So when my neighbour comes over to ask for milk, I can tell him I don't have any!
I heard one this way:
The Lord said: "I will give you anything you want, but I will give your neighbor twice as much."
"Lord, make me half blind."
these used to be polish jokes. lol
but that's before we knew anything about UE
i guess they can share them.
The reality is: Russia is waging war on Ukraine, but, at the same time, profiting from the Ukraine territory to do business with its customers.
I would like to imagine the opposite situation: Ukraine attacking Russia and Russia accepting Ukraine business interests to transit its territory. Hmmmm.
Russia should let Ukraine, its ex-satelite, to follow its interests. Ukraine should be let to decide where it wants to head to, good or bad. The current Russian attitude is not friendly at all, is of a master toward its slave.
Where do you work Langley?
The current US state dept/CIA attitude is not friendly at all, is of a master towards its slave.
Fixed it for 'ya. You're welcome.
the democratic govt decided to go with Russia, the coup regime decided to go with the US/EU. Funny that.
Pull your head out of your ass. As though "self determination" has anything to do with this.
It's about gas and its about constant NATO buildups on Russian borders over the course of decades.
How would America react if Vlad was adding military assets on the Canadian border?
Pretty much answers itself eh?
how did you get your head so far up your a**? lol
Is every western asset class REHYPOTHOCATED 100 TIMES as it appears on BANKSTER BALANCE SHEETS USING CREATIVE ACCOUNTING METHODS AND DERIVATIVES ? Rhetorical question so requires NO answer.
HAS HOUSING STOCK ON EU/USSA BANK BALANCE SHEETS ACCOUNTED FOR THE BAD DEBT or CAN WE EXPECT FURTHER WRITE DOWNS?
Regarding RUSSIAN OIL&GAS, CAN these ASSETS making their way through these pipelines; future contracts ( eg China Deal); in storage OR proven RESERVES be considered REAL WEALTH to be UTILIZED/BARTERED in the FUTURE with BRICS/ Other partners on mutually beneficial TERMS & CONDITIONS to serve the country?????? YES YES YES YES
TO CONCLUDE:-
Please Mr Putin CUT OFF ALL GAS SUPPLIES TO THE EU UNTIL THEY DECIDE TO MOVE EVERY STINKING USSA AIRBASE or SHIELD or NATO WARMONGERING MACHINERY FROM THE CONTINENT OR ON A COUNTRY BY COUNTRY BASIS.
Why PLAY this SILLY BUGGER GAME with Puppet American States? Get ALL the FUCKING cards on the TABLE NOW.
LASTLY, GET IRAN TO JOIN the (I)BRICS AND LIKE SCUMBAG NATO AN ATTACK ON AN IBRICS IS AN ATTACK ON ALL.
FUCK THE FED FUCK THE EU FUCK IMF FUCK BIS FUCK NATO FUCK THEM ALL. THANKS
The map should be updated. As of July 2014, Romania covers 100% of its requirements from domestic gas production.
Bullish: Smashing pianos for firewood.
Putin for president putin for president!!!!
- Zero Hedge the fox news of financial reporting
Putin for president putin for president!!!!
- Zero Hedge the fox news of financial reporting
http://www.cnbc.com/
Perhaps this is more to your taste?
Bring me the popcorn and some beer.
Ukrainian forces must be in a lot worse shape than is being let on if this is how far they'll go.
“It is better to defeat the enemy by hunger than with steel; in such victory fortune counts more than virtue.”
“The unarmed rich man is the prize of the poor soldier.”
- Machiavelli.
Great reference.
The Prince by machiavelly is a must read, especially for Zero posters, which for the most part have the ability to think outside the box. Too bad we cant form our own country.
Zeropia!!!
After years of stealing gas, cutting a deal to get discounted gas, not paying the already discounted gas they've received, they've finally just declared to steal the pipelines themselves.
Get ready for Germany to agree with Russia to partition the country.
lol
i +1 on that
they're probably working on Poland also.
smells like the Putin trap to me. He's always 2-3 moves ahead of the criminals in the West and the illegal puppets in Ukraine.
Thought chicken Kiev was a dish rather than a game. Way these clowns are going there'll be a queue forming to invade them.
I recommend that the EU dumps its criminal alliance with Washington, fast, and switches over and cuddles up to Putin.
Together, the EU - lead by Barreloso, Junkett and the Garden Gnome Rompuy - with Putin's Russia can invade Ukraine and deal with this maniacal fascist government in Kiev.
Whilst they're at it, hunt down and arrest the pilot(s) who shot down MH17 and the State Security Chief who ordered it.
There you go. Gas will continue to flow thru Ukie to EU and justice is done.
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Now, back to the real world.....what is Germany to do if its gas gets cut off??
Does Germany even get gas through Ukraine? I thought the imports from Russia come through the Nord Stream and Yamal.
Doesn't some of their gas come thru other countries after Ukraine? eg Poland.
The existing infrastructure outside Ukraine is already enough to provide Germany with the gas it imports from Russia. Of course it's possible some of it comes through Ukraine anyway, but there isn't really a need for it.
After I had a quick glance at the numbers, the picture on top is outdated. The Nord Stream alone would be sufficient to cover German imports with some to spare.
Yes Gerhard Schroeder did good things for Germany
Man, the Ukrainian bride business must be in overdrive these days! who the hell would want to live in that place this winter. i think the smart and model quality talent has already left.
Buy one, get two.
....Already looking up the websites
The Ukraine - playing Russian roulette with a semi-automatic pistol...
with hair trigger.
Ukraine roulette is when you take only one round outta the revolver and spin the barrel, point it at your own head and shoot.
Long Cow Farts and Beans....
IN-FLATUATION......
“eyewitnesses in the Donetsk region saw Ukrainian warplanes near the passenger jet. They say they heard sounds of powerful blasts and saw a Ukraine warplane shortly before the crash.
“Plane shot down, shot down, shot down, no accident”
http://homment.com/spaintweet
Perhaps Ukraine was using airliner as cover or bait and rebels got the short end of stick...
Be nice to see a ZH article on Southstream/Bulgaria - I suspect that the neocons - the Nulands and Kagans and so on ad nauseam have been hard at work there.
How badly does Israel want to sell its Levithan gas to Europe without competition?
http://www.voltairenet.org/article184806.html
So bad it hurts...
maybe that gas really belongs to the pali?
Obama and his Zionist crime family cutting off the Russian pipelines to its euro gas customers esentially has decided to go to a real shooting war with Russia and BRICS.
You think Zionism has any interest in Bulgaria these days?
Oh do go on...
Obama and his Zionist crime family cutting off the Russian pipelines to its euro gas customers esentially has decided to go to a real shooting war with Russia and BRICS.
no shooting war. who is going to do the shooting?
the EU? against RU?
RU is not shutting off the gas.
how did you get BRICS into this?
So, the DooD figures he will get his resignation one way or another. His western masters most likely are not telling him to stop their gas transport. Or maybe they are and that will lead to the war they want.
One way or another I suspect that the useful idiots put in place in the Ukraine are hating what they signed up for now.
As I see it there is a a simple solution to the whole situation. Russia should offer to cease all sanctions on all Nations, on the proviso that Ukraine releases all air traffic data and recordings both military and civilian (un-doctored) on the day of the MA-17 downing. We all know that won't happen. But think of the pressure it would apply to all the rabid players in this sick drama.
"Russia should offer to cease all sanctions on all Nations"
why?
to get MH-17 data?
why do the Russians need it?
to prove what?
it's already damn certain who did it
RUssia has sure recorded the conversation. Everybody can listen to those conversations, even you, if you buy the radio equipmen.
Due to the genocide there and fighters flying in tandem of M17, russians recorded everything there.
They just wait, which nonsense will NATO present to the public.
If NATO starts to twist the pilot's conversation, Russians will put put it on the table.
"The answer: Burisma Holdings, where Joe Biden's son is a director and which will promptly commence shale gas exploration as an "alternative" to Russian gas, over the objections of the local people - after all can't let a crisis go to waste. "
do you really think this is going to work?
UE will need gas in september, i know joe biden is really a miracle worker but do you think he can pull this one off. and then there are the separatists who wish to see Kiew succeed. and the Russians who are rooting for Kiew. a bit of a stretch in my view.
"In announcing the deal, President Viktor Yanukovych said that it “will let Ukraine satisfy its gas needs completely and, under the optimistic scenario, export energy resources by 2020.” Reuters characterized the deal as ”another step in a drive for more energy independence from Russia.”
"At the time of Yanukovych’s ouster in February, Chevron and the Ukrainian government had been negotiating an operating agreement for the shale development effort in western Ukraine, and Chevron spokesman Cameron Van Ast said that the negotiations would go forward despite Yanukovych fleeing the country. “We are continuing to finalize our joint operating agreement and the government continues to be supportive,” Van Ast said.
Royal Dutch Shell is also engaged in the country, having signed an agreement last year with the government of Yanukovych to explore a shale formation in eastern Ukraine. When it comes to Crimea, numerous oil companies including Chevron, Shell, ExxonMobil, Repsol and even Petrochina have shown interest in developing its offshore energy assets.
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It would take many years to develop enough shale gas to reach the volume that Russia currently supplies Europe. .and even then unreliable with flow rates dropping off quickly after the first year...so requires continual wrll drilling fracking etc...
There is money in it but I doubt enough warrant a coup st 5bn cost... more like the US mafia grabbing whatever business they can that comes along...like the gold they stole
There is no ready alternative to the gas Russia supplies to Europe that doesn't take some years to develop. Certainly shipping in gas can never reach the same volume and is more expensive.
Cutting off gas from Russia to Europe would have major ramifications to European economy and also the cost of energy. Germans would also lynch and take Merkles balls.
USA couldn't care less about this and would think it sures up USD... keep your competitors as week as yourself
The Obummer syndicate does not care about the people at home let alone the people of Ukraine or Europe. This is a bankster war and it seems they will just about do anything to turn it into a hot war to distract the sheeple from our imminent financial collapse. The rejection of the US fiat dollar is worth fighting over if you placed an all in bet and have nothing to fall back to. Putin and Russia know this, Ukrainian national suicide will be painful to watch for some however Russia will not blink. Imho, as winter arrives in Europe things will escalate and the war mongers will either face the wrath of their own public or distract them with a hot war. My bets are on Russia to win, China and India to place and show for a perfect trifecta. The biggest losers will be Ukrainian people followed by the American people, side bet winners will be the corporate welfare recipients and the military industrial complex.
How about some fucking peace in the world.
So having shot down MH-17 as a warning - with an R-60 rocket with 8000m range then 30mm gunfire, Kiev wants to discourage further flights by banning them altogether !
And, having cut off hot water to save gas, they now want to steal European gas (yet again) from the transit pipelines in the hope Western Europe will blame Russia for theft of its exports.
They are a weird bunch, no wonder they are rich but the country is poor. I don't think Western Europe is ready to freeze or close down chemical plants just so the grinning Aunt Jemima in DC can spout his vacuous rhetoric
Neo nazis don't play well with others.
"Rompuy, please spell 'Blackmail'".
B, L, eh, "can you use it in a sentence ?"
Yes Rompuy, "Kiev is using blackmail to get what it wants."
I think Russians understood long time ago that Zionists lost their minds and no longer capable of acting as a rational entity. These are all parasites who sucked every host bone dry and now set on a path of self termination. Dysfunctional bio robots, operated by dysfunctional, wall street vampires...they are insane, irrational and totally cornered. Nothing good will come out of it.
'they are insane, irrational and totally cornered'
Well, maybe. But I keep asking myself what's going on when, with just 00.2% of the population the President, Prime Minister and Governors of three of the largest regions are all Jews. And this in a country where the general attitude to Jews is, well, mixed. Perhaps deriving from that little matter of 7 million of them being starved to death during the Holodomor.
Not to worry. the lovely U.S. Asst Sec of State Victoria (FU) Nuland (nee: Nudleman) Kagan will be supplying all the cookies and personal butt gaz they will need to see them thru the winter!
what i got to mind, just now, is the ISIS syndrom...
usa put gun & ammo to a terrorists grp to mess with a specific target ( sirya ) they screwd, then they are asking something else but loosing control, and finally usa must stop the unstoppable train by airstriking it, no boots on ground, too risky, congress would not accept anywway.
it is exactly the same with neo nazi set in kiev. asked to mess with country for gaz, separatist come to play, nazi shoot every one, do messy stuff up to shoot a civilian flight, the unstoppable train announce russia gaz wont pass thru me. EU to USA " dafuq?! " situation while germany anticipated. tuesday the thing become official - EU splits, norvegian pipes & minks pipe cannot bring total EU gaz needs, gaz pipe cough in EU houses, shit start.
i, seriously, cannot accept even the idea only, that such a senario can happen, because .gov would been way much over estimated in already low capabilities.
this is just fucking ridiculous that on a A-B-C situation B block A<->C just to make react A then A go economic war on C, particulary on the fact C never wanted to stop business with A... this is a total kink.
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someone to nuke kiev pls ?
You might know there is a gas pipeline from Russia directly to Germany through the Baltic Sea, which doesn't touch any other country. That is the last thing Gerhard Schröder did, Vladimir's good friend.
And that pipeline has two pipes, one of which has only been used until now, since it is more convenient to send the gas via Ukraine to Austria and distribute it from there.
It is really not a problem to use the second pipe as well once Ukraine shuts down theirs.
Which means Germany will still have enough gas, however, other European countries will not.
I am sure the others will at some stage demand gas from Germany.
It would be interesting to see if even Poland will demand gas from Germany. They were absolutely opposed to the Baltic Sea pipeline and got very angry that it would not be build on Polish ground.
We will see. I am in Germany. Since the beginning of the Ukraine crisis I have been thinking about next winter and made firewood in the forest almost every day. The closer we come to winter, and the faster the sanction ping-pong game accelerates, the more I think my decision was reasonable.
Putin certainly knows about winter. Would we have minus 25 celsius right now the whole sanction stuff would come to an end immediatly. Putin can wait and doesn't have to do anything.
Send in John Kerry to cause this to blow up faster.
Is there any country in the world that the Excited States of Amerika can't help out?
ATLANTIS
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GAS WARS 014.0
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Is'nt this the guy,
that wanted to nuke eastern UKies
someone needs to put him back in jail
yeah, but only a little nuke when the winds were blowing away from the Ukraine, he is not a complete sociopath you know!
In 1 move the Ukies have cut Europes supply of gas off. A move that we all here have been wondering how Russia could pull off in retaliation for sanctions without starting ww3.
To summarize, the puppet (kiev) has screwed over its string pullers (EU) in an attempt to screw over the guys they haven't been paying (Russia) who can now sit back and say we didnt do it, not our fault you are burning the dinette set to keep warm.
Amazing.
kievs US handlers must have approved of the move or they would not have given them the OK to do it.
"adding that Ukraine will use part of the $17 billion IMF aid to achieve energy independence, and may go to the World Bank for help."
They are going to get a surprise when they realise the $17billion IMF aid is going directly to pay of banks and other Financial institutions that the Ukarine owes money too, it is not simply a pile of cash for them to allocate as they wish. The debt for paying of the foreign banks etc will be a debt the Ukraine owes the IMF, what follows then is austerity demands from the IMF to enable the Ukaranian people to start paying of their debt to the IMF.
It is a well used formula that has been used in every country the IMF 'helps'. Ukltimately Ukraine is forced into a fire sale of its assets to Banks and financiers.
Stupid Ukrainians....
-Handed over their 33 tons of Gold to America after grabbing Power.
-Are known to peddle their ladies as hoes to far off places of globe.
-Are forgetting the 'Divide & Rule west' has created with them.
-Are ready to tax too much higher their own citizens.
-Are ready to spend winters without heating.
-Are ready to drive their people to poverty like in Romania.
-Are forgetting that they can earn money by transit fee for Russian gas.
-Are forgetting the reputation of USA that it destroys those it helps.
-Think that they would become (rich) Europeans just by change of alliance but the fate of Greece & Cyprus awaits them.
-Have nothing to offer to others in trade (except hoes & floor cleaners).
-Are forgetting that USA wants to use it as a conduit for its own ambitions of capturing Russian oil & gas assets by any means.
- Are oblivious to the fact that any war between West & Russia will crush Ukraine to rubble completely.
Blonde Syndrome