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WHO Declares "Health Emergency", Admits "Stretched To Limit" On "Out Of Control" Ebola Outbreak As Nigeria Cases Soar
CDC Director Frieden's worst nightmare is coming true - Nigeria, of which he was "deeply concerned" due to the population density in Lagos for instance, has admitted 139 patients are now being monitored for Ebola (up from 8 mere days ago). This, along with "the outbreak moving faster than we can control it," drive the World Health Organization (WHO) to declare West Africa's Ebola epidemic, an "extraordinary event" and now constitutes an international health risk. As Reuters reports, the agency said that, all states with Ebola transmission - so far Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria and Sierra Leone - should declare a national emergency, as former WHO official warned "governments appear to not have been engaged as necessary."
Nigeria has escalated rapidly - just as CDC Director Frieden had feared:
- *NIGERIA SAYS TWO MORE CASES OF EBOLA CONFIRMED IN LAGOS
- *NIGERIA SAYS 6 SUSPECTED CASES OF EBOLA BEING INVESTIGATED
- *NIGERIA SAYS 139 PEOPLE BEING MONITORED FOR EBOLA
The Geneva-based U.N. health agency said the possible consequences of a further international spread of the outbreak, which has killed almost 1,000 people in four West African countries, were "particularly serious" in view of the virulence of the virus.
"A coordinated international response is deemed essential to stop and reverse the international spread of Ebola," the WHO said in a statement after a two-day meeting of its emergency committee on Ebola.
The declaration of an international emergency will have the effect of raising the level of vigilance on the virus.
"The outbreak is moving faster than we can control it," the WHO's director-general Margaret Chan told reporters on a telephone briefing from the WHO's Geneva headquarters.
"The declaration ... will galvanize the attention of leaders of all countries at the top level. It cannot be done by the ministries of health alone."
Contagion is still not wel lunderstood...
It also said inexperience in dealing with Ebola outbreaks and misperceptions of the disease, including how it is transmitted, "continue to be a major challenge in some communities".
"If we do not in global solidarity come together to help these countries, they will be set back for many years," Chan said. She noted the three hardest-hit nations had only begun to emerge and rebuild after "years of conflict and difficulties".
What is fascinating is that WHO does not ask for international trade or travel bans
- *WHO: NO GENERAL BAN ON TRAVEL OR TRADE
- *WHO: SHOULDN'T BE INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL OF EBOLA CASES, CONTACTS
because:
- *WHO'S CHAN: STOPPING AIRLINE ROUTES WOULD HURT ECONOMIES
Which is a somewhat stunning reason and not shared by Russia:
If flights from the countries affected by the Ebola virus are not halted, the disease could reach Europe and become a new plague, Alexei Pushkov, the head of the State Duma international affairs committee, said Tuesday.
“Unless all flights are stopped from Ebola affected countries, there is a risk it will reach Europe, becoming the plague of the 21st century,” Pushkov said on Twitter.
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Additional WHO headlines:
- *WHO PANEL UNANIMOUS ON RISK OF FURTHER INTERNATIONAL SPREAD
- *WHO PANEL UNANIMOUS ON OUTBREAK'S SERIOUS, UNUSUAL NATURE: CHAN
- *WHO: PANEL RECOMMENDS EXIT SCREENING FOR COUNTRIES WITH EBOLA
- *WHO: OVERALL EBOLA MORTALITY FROM 55-60%
- *WHO'S CHAN: `WE ARE EXTREMELY STRETCHED'
- *WHO: UNAPPROVED EBOLA DRUGS HAVE POTENTIAL; ARE IN SMALL SUPPLY
- *WHO: ALSO DEALING WITH MERS-COV OUTBREAK, FLU
- *WHO'S FUKUDA: PREPARED TO DEAL WITH EBOLA FOR `SOME MONTHS'
And finally:
- *WHO'S FUKUDA: EBOLA LIKELY TO GET WORSE BEFORE IT GETS BETTER
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WHO........Who the fuck cares. More liberals telling us the sky is falling!! Just wait when it really does!!
We've got plenty of room in Atlanta......CDC sez no problem.
When it pours out into the streets we'll get invloved.
What a fucking cunt...Yeah, that economy will be booming when there are only 4 persons left on earth! Fucking CUNT.
I "Won't Get Fooled Again" by all this WHO nonsense.
Nah, this Ebola only has a death rate of around 50% and dropping. Plus, children are mostly uneffected by it. Human race will be fine after the culling.
Ebola – What you’re not being told
VITAMIN C. If you already have the Ebola, you will be taking a lot.
Fruit bats don't produce Vit. C. But they eat lots of fruit/citrus.
Primates and humans also don't produce Vitamin C. Pretty much all other mammals DO produce their own Vitamin C.
So the animals that don't produce Vitamin C happen to be the ones at risk of Ebola...
Well we're doing our part here to prevent any chance of transmission. After over 20 years of marriage my wife won't touch bush meat.
"Well we're doing our part here to prevent any chance of transmission. After over 20 years of marriage my wife won't touch bush meat."
So who do you have sex with?
The reason bats don't get sick from Ebola has nothing to do with vitamin C, I've learned: It's actually their ability to fly (they are the only mammals that can fly for real - squirrels can only glide). Flying requires so much energy, that bat DNA had to change to accommodate. This video explains it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao0dqJvH4a0
So, taking vitamin C will only help so far that it supports the immune system in general. To REALLY get bat-level immunity, humans would need to learn how to fly.
I found that YOUTUBE video to be not convincing.
The girl narrating says bats survive because "specialized cells that keep viral invaders in check". Sounds real scientific.
Its important how the viruses survive the bat??? WTF? No. Its important how the bat survives!
Nice try at the disinfo, though.
An international epidemic of this type woud be bad. Anyone care to posit what the downstream effects would be for various industries, and what responses governments would take?
"Disinfo?" Sheesh. Minute Earth (the creator of the video) specializes in translating science into nonscientific terms - and cute cartoon videos - for general consumption. This is because scientific articles are ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ boring to most people. Also, most scientific articles are behind firewalls.
Example:
Comparative Analysis of Bat Genomes Provides Insight into the Evolution of Flight and Immunityhttp://www.sciencemag.org/content/early/2012/12/19/science.1230835.full
There is no science out there to support any vitamin C theories, that I've been able to find. All the scientific speculation (again, that I've found) pertains to adapatibility/DNA/RNA based upon the bat's ability to fly. (shrug) I'm not a doctor or a medical researcher. Just someone who is really into bats.
Here is an article written for the layperson, about recent bat immunity research (university website):
http://blogs.mcgill.ca/osscontributors/2013/02/19/of-bats-flight-and-immunity-to-viruses/
The level of science education in America is appalling.
Yep, same kind of culling as took place from swine flu, bird flu, HIV/AIDS spread to heteros . . . . . hey, wait a fukin' minute ! None of that happened even though they were similarly hyped ? WTF !?
Close air traffic from Africa, or God forbid close the southern border -- no way in hell.
It's very important in a crisis like this not to hurt tourism, airlines or any other commercial interests. Therefore, until the 1% are bleeding out of every orifice the problem will be under control.
If you are a health care worker in Atlanta, it's a good time to take a vacation or resign. Your life will be sacrificed so the elites can go on teevee and continue marketing their insane politics.
What's the opposite of "OUT OF CONTROL"? Under Control?
There's a lot in our world that is NOT "under control". We don't control cancer, aids, or the flu. So, the phrase "OUT OF CONTROL", I'm guessing is being used for one primary purpose. To get money. I don't know who's getting it, but I'm betting there's hundreds of millions of dollars flowing somewhere in this show.
Maybe this is the key....wait to see who gets the order for a billion vacinations.
Another angle is the 'internationalist' global approach.
Nations can't handle the 'crisis' so 'higher authorities' must do so.
The NWO meme gets pushed.
Yep, gotta love it when sovereign nations are begging others for help.
'WHO' nonsense...
Here's a crazy conspiracy theory for you.
Obama wines and dines Africa's dictators:
http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2014/08/07/obama-wines-and-dines-some-of-th...
Obama pushes Africa investment as corporations 'drool' over resources:
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2014/08/06/obama-pushes-africa-investme...
After 9/11 the CONUS formed a military division called USAFRICOM (United states African Command).
PROBLEM:
Two aid workers from Samaritan's Purse were infected, and flown back for treatment to the CONUS. There, they were given a radical 'new' experimental drug. Supposedly now, they are recovering. Of course, we won't give out this 'new' cure, though (it's 'experimantal' and all). MEANTIME, several African nations are concurrently being infected by EBOLA (U.S. patent # CA 2741523 A1).
REACTION:
'PLEASE, come in and save our dying people! We will give you ANYTHING YOU WANT!'
SOLUTION:
See above linked facts and articles.
Of COURSE, this is all conjecture. Governments and empires NEVER do this shit, do they.
Well, we can't let the Chinee have Africa now, can we?
China, at least a 10 year head start. Do we get to make decisions like that?
Just because WHO, WTO, UN, IMF and all the other sketchy unaccountable oligarch/banker organizations cannot be trusted doesn't mean that absolutely everything they say is plain BS. I don't see a major conspiracy this time (such as people bribing mainstream scientist to downplay the Ebola threat), just the regular kind of misery one would expect to see in a screwed up world. Misery such as the medical industrial complex simply ignoring Ebola because they can't make big money on diseases affecting poor people.
well they got the patent and now ......the fear of peeps calling for travel restrictions...kinda fits the bill.
Good call to be weary, cautious but not duped.
Diseases affecting poor people in resource rich nations, leaves the nation wide open without a single riot gun fired.
No not a regular misery its always been isolated before.... more to this than meets the eye.
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Honey, you may be the CUNT. Usually when we see this kind of wall to wall exposure of an issue its indicative of a PSYOP.
No it isn't.
Lagos, Africa's most populated city at 21,000,000, has the fourth largest population density in the world with 28,400 people per sq. kilometer.
If the Ebola virus gets a foothold in Lagos things will get out of control very quickly.
only way it will spread is by paid thugs like cia and local gang bangers. they already caught the local thugs poisoning wells with it.
..And we'll know when to panic: When the other virus, Obama, tells us not to worry. You'll know things are fucked for good then.
I read somewhere you can get it just by looking at it now.
Oh it is worse than that my friend. If you are in a room with someone who is merely thinking about ebola, you're a goner!
Just reading about it results in 100% assured transmission.
The app
http://www.product-reviews.net/2014/07/31/ebola-virus-outbreak-leads-to-...
Going viral
I heard that it's also is transmitted through "my idiot relative makes $9500 doing squat" spam postings. It may already be too late for us.
If the airports in Western African are sealed shut, then things will only get out of control in Western Africa. Everyone there can simply "shelter in place". That includes any American missionaries, who would be all too happy "to meet Jesus".
No excuses. Militaries all over the world are well-practiced in the art of airport closures. Also, whenever Obama is ready, a no-fly zone over Western Africa. The military also knows how to do that. No excuses. We all saw what can be accomplished with MH17.
Better yet.
Put all the victims aboard an airliner and then fly then off like MH370.
Problem solved!
If these airports do not get sealed and Ebola comes to the US, it is Obama's fault alone.
Not Bush.
Not Putin.
Not the tooth fairy.
Obama.
Computer models will only give you a limited amount of data. As accurate as it is, it's nothing like running the real world exercise. I think they need to know how it would effect New York, Chicago, or Atlanta. Look for Lagos to be decimated. And the majority of the surrounding towns as infected persons try to flee the virus. The stench, will be great.
Anyone else have a theory for Lagos?
"Anyone else have a theory for Lagos?"
A guy who contracted the disease visiting his sister traveled there on business.
Yeah I know, way out there.
If Ebola gets out of control in Lagos, we can simply start bombing all people our drones spot who seem to be infected.
A complete embargo and sanctions will ensure the population is well fed and their immune systems are fully functional.
Orbital sensors indicate the presence of gas and oil; scions of politicians are lining up to free this energy from the dictatorial shale that holds it.
The CIA has been deployed to fund and propagate a splinter faction of Ebola that hates original-brand Ebola 8% more than it hates all of Humanity.
Rev. Sharpton demands a probe on the disproportionate ratio of black to white deaths.
Stay tuned!
This from Agence France Press, published today in Expatica.com Suisse:
"US health authorities also warned Ebola's spread to the United States was "inevitable" due to the nature of global airline travel, but that any outbreak was not likely to be large."
http://www.expatica.com/ch/news/swiss-news/who-declares-ebola-epidemic-a...
and from June:
http://www.expatica.com/ch/news/swiss-news/ebola-spread-due-to-relaxatio...
When I was working out of Lagos you just cannot imagine the amount of people milling about. Every square mile seemed to be like Oxford street at Christmas time.
"If we do not in global solidarity come together to help these countries, they will be set back for many years," Chan said.
So what are we saying? Set back from 1820 to 1805?
The oligarches are doing very well, we need to protect that kind of progress.
Don't be a fucktard. Maybe do some research about this virus first? Then look at how disease has affected human populations through the ages. Then maybe tell us this isn't a risk that needs to be contained.
As much as people like to think the contrary, the sky does not fall without cause. That would be a string of events, one after another. By the time the sky starts falling here, it will be too late.
yes because we can trust the WHO, UN, Feds and all since they always have our best interets at heart. bet on their track record and not their fear mongering and spam.
Yes, bureaucratic organizations play up threat to get funding, no arguments there.. But am I the only one who missed the release of a virus (which is going exponential) into one of the most densely populated regions of the planet?
Lagos, Nigeria has a pop. density that is 1460 times the global average and ~100 times the most densely populated country. Also, poor levels of education, poor levels of general economic development and poor levels of healthcare.
The point during epidemics is that the core healthcare services are massively overwhelmed. We'll see how this progresses, but in this case it might be an instance of the media "crying wolf" too many times and people playing down the threat until it is too late.
(And this is coming from someone who slept like a baby through Bird and Swine Influenza and SARS.)
it's only spreading because they are doing their best to make it spread, by poisoning wells and any other "means" possible.
And at this point we have stepped over into tinfoil hat territory. What you say is possible, but extremely unlikely. Does ebola scare me? Absolutely. Do I think it is being deliberately spread?
Several million monkey/bat/other bushmeat eating troglodytes in Liberia beg to differ:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XasTcDsDfMg
PS: I have studied Biochemistry at college level (including elective courses in microbiology and immunology.) There is absolutely no intelligent reason why anyone would spread this virus deliberately. Even for billionaires the economic consequences of a pandemic could be absolutely terrible. Kill the worker ants and you kill the queen.
BrosephStiglitz,
Well that's all well and good. HOWEVER, you're assuming the Billionaire(s) is as smart as they think they are. I'd submit that being a billionaire has little to do with smarts and lots to do with timing. Just look at all of the stupid things our "internet" billionaires say. that dipwad that went to North Korea and talked about how they should have Internet access. I'm not even going to list any more.
Tom Clancy wrote a book Rainbow 6(one of the books), it was a team that was tracking down some wingnuts that created a virus that they were going to use to "thin the herd" it was to be sprayed on people in the misters at the Sydney Olympic games. it was just nuts.
So never sell a dumbass short. NO matter how much money they have.
+1'd this comment just for the Clancy reference. Maybe I give billionaires too much credit, though I certainly don't assume they are all intelligent.
Hell you might be right. I've seen my fair share of dumbass shit happening over the last 8 years.
More meritocracy, less bureaucracy, oligarchy and plutocracy would be nice right about now.
Ebola is not being spread except by people doing what people do.
Scary fiction is still fiction. You don't have to read too much into it. I write fiction that is down-right cruel and nasty and in the process I am able to explore interesting aspects of what it means to be human, but apart from the philosophical side I certainly hope nobody takes any of it seriously.
Please tell me how does one poison a well with Ebola? Dump a fruit bat in there? This is a real epidemic. No need for tin foil hat thinking.
And do it without giving yourself the disease? Remmbring that you are ar a poor, unducated, dumbass, african thug, who sees people hemorrhaging from the ass all around him, and has figured out it's smart to keep his distance.
Fantasy is the last resort of the weak.
Here's your 100% interactive Ebola map:
http://www.healthmap.org/ebola/
and AP article of today:
http://www.bigstory.ap.org/article/who-ebola-outbreak-public-health-emer...
and last but not least: an interactive contagious diseases real time-ish worldwide surveillance 'health-map' (good enough for Glenn Gould...):
http://healthmap.org/en/
- now get tracking and remember: don't be frightened, worse things happen at sea...
Clearly WHO is out of their element here. More funding for these fools would be wasted. Will someone please take their microphone away?
Take the funding away from WHO and give it to NSA.
Clearly if NSA had a larger budget for global monitoring of the world's Facebook pages they would have seen this coming and could have saved us all in the same way they alerted us to the ISIS invasion of Iraq, the MH17 shootdown, and the Russian takeover of Crimea.
I here you, this kind of story puts the ZH crowd into disarray!! It splitters the folks into "religious nuts", "uneducated conspiracy nuts", "secret apocalyptic cheerers", etc etc!! The rational, logical, educated, libertarian types just get screamed down on this one:)
Are there very bad people doing very bad things, using government and any other means available, absolutely!! But sometimes, a god damn "horse" is just a horse! And if you've spent any real time inside the government machine or hanging out with very rich, alpha personalities, you known very clearly, an Ebola pandemic is just that, a fucking very deadly virus, that has been killing humans or viruses like it, for hundreds of thousands of years!! Long before Soros and Gates where around!! Government Statist and Corporatist Control freaks, DO NOT like shit they can't control, period, a fucking Ebola pandemic is at the top of the "shit we can't control" list for them!
It is what it is!
Get prepared is my advice to everyone, this one could be bad and have very far reaching consequences!!
I suspect it might show up some true colors in the ZH crowd. I especially like the ones who talk about killing the sick on sight. I have an idea there's a direct correlation between that tendency, and the tendency to be christian.
Funny thing, I know a lot of muslims, and that is exactly what they would not do. They have an obligation to help the poor, the downtrodden, the sick. And to give hospitallity to those who need it.
It has less to do with being Christian (or any other creed) and more to do with being weak and unimaginative when faced with the random, cruel and frightening vicissitudes of fate.
The universe does not care about us, and each of us we are unimportant. But so long as all that is a dark conspiracy by evil-doers against whom I am powerless, I can get through my day.
Retarded Democrats and liberals voted for this TWICE. Not that the Repubs are much better but they do not get a free pass like the Kenyan.
We got to vote on ebola? How did I miss that?
My grandmother lost 4 siblings and a parent during the Spanish Flu.
It might be a bioweapon attack, thinning of the herd, or just a virus that has become airborne.
I am paying close attention to this one.
Makes me wonder if crazy Islamic types have decided to infect themselves and have started flying around in planes, going to movie theatres, concerts, clubs, or just touring the subway.
"if crazy Islamic types have decided to infect themselves"
Relax before you give yourself a heart attack.
How much oil comes from Nigeria?
I don't think being on a rig is fail safe.
That rig has to get its food from somewhere. I have a friend who is actually on one there. Maybe on his return I should disown him for a while.
Good point WB. Be careful, however, because your musings could send the algos cranking and oil will shoot to $150/bbl.
Fill up the jerry cans, people!
Oil isn't "shooting" anywhere unless "the oil pricing committee" decides to raise the price.
Roger that. A shortage of oil workers could do it, but I think the travel restrictions (read: voluntary or involuntary) would effectively hedge against that eventuality.
I read here last night that this event could be the excuse that the TPTB need to force a paperless money system upon us. Heinous fuckers.
While paper money can carry Ebola, digital money can be infected with any number of viruses, so I vote against paperless money.
It may go to $150/bbl for any of a dozen of other reasons, including no good reason at all, and when it does "filling a jerry can" will be about as effective as pissing on a forest fire.
Just admit, you are powerless. The things that are coming are going to come regardless and if they are bad things then we will all suffer. The quicker everyone deals with all that snarl of pain and hardship the quicker we can move on to more secure ways of living.
WB, regarding oil from Nigeria:
Nigeria is the largest oil producer on the continent. International companies operating there include U.S. giants Exxon Mobil and Chevron; Royal Dutch Shell; Italy’s Eni and France’s Total. The nation ranks 12th worldwide in oil production, at about 2.4 million barrels per day in 2013 , and was the fifth largest net exporter in 2012, according to most recent available statistics from the U.S. Energy Department. . .
Should there be a significant outbreak in Lagos, the consequences for the West African oil and gas industry would be massive
http://fuelfix.com/blog/2014/08/06/ebola-outbreak-threatens-oil-producin...
This article is a bit dated. At publicattion, they believed "so far the Nigerian government has taken effective action to quarantine infected individuals, but that the virus could overwhelm efforts to contain it."
oh well.
That may actually be a blessing in disguise. If the politcos do not take meaningful and effective action, and the disease starts hampering oil production, I suspect some really heavy duty boyz will start calling in favors in a really serious way. And if things still do not move fast enough for the oil execs, they are sitting on some serious funding themselves, and will probably put some of that to work one way or another.
Ebola will not dampen oil production so you can forget all that. IN fact, if Nigeria falls apart it will prove quite profitable for the oil majors who wiil be in a superior position to renew their oil leases for pennies on the dollar.
Lots.
Gotta relative that worked there. Unbelievable stories.
Dangerous place.
And now this:
NIGERIA'S STATE OIL COMPANY NNPC SAYS IT SHUT DOWN ITS OWN CLINIC IN LAGOS AFTER A SUSPECTED EBOLA CASE WAS ADMITTED THERE (emphasis Reuters)
http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFL6N0QE4LR20140808
You really have to read the tea leaves to figure out what's going on over there.
Strangely enough, I was just now wondering how many oil industry workers fly home to Houston from Nigeria on a regular basis.
What a deflationary catastrophe this will be. I don't think Yellen can print her way out of this. And don't expect anyone to go outside to pick up bernanke's helicoptor cash, because everyone know that not only is there a lot of coke on those benjamins but also all the other dangerous germs people carry on their hands.
Better make it ILLEGAL to use cash...
Interesting observation. Yeah I can foresee all kinds of deflationary knock-on effects from this.
The Black Death was also a black swan.
Thankfully I already died from bird flu and swine flu so I should be ok.
Yeah.....you should be good. Just don't take the vaccine.
Couple of things to consider:
- Avian bird flu, swine flu and SARS were all over the news. Literally, everywhere. In this instance people are playing it down in the media = not a good sign.
- We are heading into a cycle of war and economic recession. Not a good way to slow disease spreading.
- This ebola appears to be highly infectious in humans, whereas the influenza strains and SARS especially, were not.
Playing it down?! This is the biggest fearporn-o-rama I've seen in quite some time. Everyone's lost their fucking minds on this one, discernment has gone out of the window.
I know you want me to be really scared. I know you want me to believe all the bullshit hype, but no, I'm not fucking going to, because this type of bullshit fear hype pushes you straight into the waiting arms of the 'saviour' government (which is the fucking point! wake up!).
And if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but that doesn't mean I'm going to spend my last days on earth on my knees, snivelling and whimpering like a scared little bitch. Get some god damnned perspective ffs. The only certainty in this life is that you will die, so stop being a pussy about it.
Go and read this, then give your underwear a damn good cleaning.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/ebola-outbreaks-science-versus-fear-...
Fuck me, people, get a grip!
It's a good link but I already know this.
1. I cannot speak for the US media, I am in Europe. I have not heard much at all out here, despite some infected people making it through on planes.
2. Brantly and the other aid workers will not be the source of viral propagation. They have been contained. It is never the threat you see coming that gets you and the prospect of an infected individual entering the country and going unnoticed is much more worrying.
3. If you are in a low pop. density area and have food/water supplies to last it will probably be ok. (I am not however, hence my worry.)
Edit: Also, it should be obvious to anyone who thinks about it that trying to maintain trade links under downward economic pressure will be how this thing could spread. Politicians step in and silence the experts because they worry more about having their heads on the chopping block in the event of a huge recession, than a disease in bumblefuck that seems like a distant threat.
Look, I know this is hard for you to get your head around, and you probably think I'm some keyboard warrior tough guy, or not in charge of the facts or whatever. But no. Let me make it clear: I don't care.
I do care, however, that this is going to used against us as leverage to introduce yet more draconian controls on our ever dwindling freedom. Fear is the only weapon they have. When I look around this site, a site usually pretty damned good at cutting through the bullshit, and I see what is happening, how this is battering people's minds, rather than pissing my pants about my own mortality I grow concerned for all of us. And I'm pissed off that we are allowing it to happen.
It's your own prerogative to care, or not. That's fine.
Will I stop functioning in my day to day job? No. Will I sign over what's left of my tattered civil liberties to bureaucrats? Absolutely not.
You're right in your concerns that emotions (fear, greed, etc.) are not rational, but the ceding of civil liberties has to, on some level, be a collective societal action. Personally I will be taking what precautions that I can against this disease, even though I suspect in a major pandemic they will be inadequate.
On personal freedom: any kind of shove back against the system, which I suspect is in the making, is going to have to be a majority action. And you're right that a portion of the articles on ZH cut through the bullshit, or give another perspective. Sadly for now I doubt your average citizen would even give them a second glance.
Anyway, for what it's worth I respect your opinion and where you're coming from either way (and if I didn't I would say so.) I might disagree on the general level of threat this disease could potentially pose, but arguing as you do, from a position of healthy skepticism is never something I could disrespect.
This Ebola scare has shown me that a lot of otherwise brave people still have (legitimate) concerns for their mortality and the health and well-being of their loved ones.
I.E. disease epidemics/scares still work, false flags, not so much any more.
Giraffe says it his own way. Essentially I kinda agree. BTW I'm unimpressed with collective societal action. Because I know it will destroy me and mine by hook or crook - too much is influenced and controlled and manufactured.
Stick with the personal -that is your and my job, old fashioned personal responsibility for self and others/family etc.
If you read ZH you IMO should know better than to call for government action ...heck that's the fire and fry pan story. Its so contradictory it begs all readers of this Ebola horror to pause a moment and reflect, slowly and calmly. Doom porn can destroy focus if you do not calm down and think; we'll lose a lot of travel mobility etc if we do not get a grip and that suits the agendas of the freaky powers that be....
Not sure if I'm misreading this here but just in case:
By collective societal action, I speak predominantly of the herd. You can discount "government" from that equation. They are always to one degree, or another, beholden to their people. Loss of the majority means civil war or the implementation of a police state to pacify the masses.
Regardless, when I talk of collective action I mean the people (not government). Mainly driven by social norms.
Also, yes, people in power will probably use this "doom porn" to their advantage internally. I'm more worried about the external. Human migratory patterns, trade etc. Because that is where any kind of pandemic will arise. Calls to screen people internally without a serious (national) epidemic status should be viewed with suspicion.
(And yes I agree with personal vs. herd. If I am going to run with a herd they had better be well-educated folks I can trust, and who have a good sense of judgement. OR folks who cover my own weaknesses.)
Yeah. Grow some balls, you lot. And try to think rationally for a change. If the WHO is playing it up it's most likely bullshit, a SARS rerun. There's a chance it may be real, so take some rational protective steps. You should already be prepared to shelter in place if you read ZH, how far you want to go beyond that is up to you, but the basics are all over thses comment streams.
It's like societal collapse. It's gonna happen some day, some basic preparation in case it happens tomorrow can go a long way. If it doesn't happen tomorrow, you've paid out for insurance you never needed, so be grateful.
These things are not serious. The USA's borders are wide open so it cannot be that bad. Democrats and Liberals voted for this TWICE.
Pride goes before a fall.
I look forward to the new Ebola vaccine commercials on teevee. I'm especially fond of the lengthy disclaimers. Are you tired of bleeding from your eyes and asshole? Call your doctor about Ebola be Gone and start living life free from vomiting up your internal organs.
Side effects are................…………too many to list in a sixty second commercial, so just buy our fucking vaccine.... I'm saving up for a yacht.
Frequent bowel movements and an inability to control them.
The condition known as "hot dog finger."
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MtmIaNc2FI
pods
Damn, pods! Hot-Dog finger? That's a hoot! I want to see the side effect that includes, 4-hr enlargment to weinerschnitzel size and dynamically increased pleasure!
Nozulla, "Gene Enterprises"= Illuminati big pharma...besides "hot dog finger" also..."seeing the dead...possesion by the prince of darkness"
great find, pods! lol
I am tired of bleeding out my asshole, only it's not Ebola. It's the FED.
What have you got for that?
Awesome.
will it feature a man and a woman in separate bathtubs in the middle of nowhere gazing at the sky?
Then after that all the two legged parasites wil be in six months..........." sense its better to be alive then dead and its definitely better to SUE some one and get some FREE money, call 1 800 Bad Drug............ we will fight for your right to ned read side effects............" for a fee BITICHEZ. Wink
Hope and Chains.
The lack of a ban on the travel smells fishy, but that could just be the ebola. If this is such a catastrophe and if it is out of control, wouldn't a ban on travel be prudent?
Why is it the Russians are the only people who make sense any more?
I am afraid to know these answers.
I agree. Sounds strange. But I know little-to-nothing about Ebola, and the spread of disease in general. It appears there is so much confusion, obfuscation and disinformation in general, it would surprise me (or rather it wouldn't) if no one had any handle on this. Real or not.
The timing is suspect as well. Between Gaza, Ukraine, Malaysian air planes falling from the sky, and now Ebola.
As Bill Hicks used to say:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5V9HylVb5I
Russia makes sense because after 75 years of Obamanomics, (I mean Communism), which was exactly like BLS staistics and CNN propaganda, ie, LIES, the Russians became interested in the truth, and found it to be refreshing and useful.
On the ebola topic, if someone wants to avoid the disease, Gaza might be the best place to go, if you can get in. Claustrophobes might not like the tunnels.
"wouldn't a ban on travel be prudent?"
Yes, because quarantine is the first line of defense against something like this.
No quarantine indicates (a) it's not a real threat, or (b) it is a real threat and they want it to spread.
I believe (a) it's not a real threat. Just more "problem - reaction - solution". Create a fake crisis, get everybody frightened about it, then govt comes up with a solution that takes more of your money and freedom.
Threat of a "deadly bug" is the most effective way to turn people into frightened sheep begging for govt help. Look at all the fear displayed here. No more talk about guilliotines and lamp posts. Those tough "take America back" types are begging for govt help now.
They are not banning air travel because it would destroy local African economies.
You didn't know there was a looming global economic catastrophe? Oh well then that explains your confusion.
Don't be confused that making money trumps public health. That has always been the case. TPTB in the world (in and outside Africa) are at little risk of contracting the disease, but are at real financial risk should anything go wrong to bring down any significant part of the global economy.
Now you understand how this is going to play out. As usual, greed wins.
Just talked to my University Biology Professor, who just returned from a 2 month research project in Camaroon, Africa, he is a bit concerned about this partcular strain of Ebola, citing that it's the health workers who are contracting Ebola even after taking extreme safety measures. His advice was, don't go to West Africa anytime soon...never thought I would hear that coming from him.
I went to a funeral in a nice suburb north of Houston a few years ago and the Catholic church where it was held was having a wedding immediately following the funeral mass. When we left the church, the parking lot was filled with blacks arriving in African attire. Even if we avoid West Africa, West Africa is coming to us.
Ebola, Bulish on Social Security deficit
Lots of them in NYC. Some very rich folks who travel back and forth frequently. Some poor ones importing illegal foods, beauty products, etc
Did he sneeze in your presence? Ruh-roh.
You should have been wearing at least an N-95 mask.
If it was serious then the US borders would be protected.
If they were serious and honest they would block travel to give time for those outside the infected areas to prepare and to prevent the spread. They want Ebola to spread to obtain more funding and power.
OK I get the real worry of Ebola spreading, seriously I do and I want to keep folks safe. But, I cannot help but shrink at the call for travel bans given the bigger picture we're aware of and the rise of TSA, toxic body scanners etc in various forms around the world; it all feels so engineered and in accordance with the plans of sick-tards in TPTB club. They also gain funding and power from the "fear".
Just saying, I agree with concept of a quarantine period but then I also really oppose its implications - and that makes me feel like I am in a well laid trap.
A travel ban would inevitably involve racial profiling, and the TPTB would rather see us all dead than to violate the central dogma of the globalists: that all people and cultures are equal and interchangeable. Discrimination and "racism" are defense mechanisms and in that respect most of us have been disarmed.
And none of my family in Southern Africa is freaked out like the ZH'rs. We're more stressed about Mugabe's new vilification decrees and my grand aunts safety caring for endangered rhino's etc against the wishes of HRH, Roths, WWF etc etc. Get it??
Come on guys, caution, observation and vigilance is good - apply it liberally and responsibly.
Its a shitty disease being played like bin laden... healthy populations survive, poor stressed populations are overwhelmed.
They've played with this ebola many years.... we'll out live the creepy cabal 'tards we'll be broke. but alive.
They are afraid of governments blaiming them later for over-reacting and destroying the global economy.
It's happened before, and people lost their jobs. Won't happen again. Everyone playing now is in it for personal gain.
Thanks! Asshole. Can I have your job?
I think 0baMao should go to Africa to show "solidarity" with the people.
I can spot something to lower right that could have been a rodent of some sort. WTF are the other things that look like they are cooked on snowshoes?
I will upvote you once I clean the vomit of my mouse.
Why those are delicious fruit bats! With the value meal you get a 1/4 pound roasted fruit bat, an order of fried grubs, and home-made mannioc beer, the fermentation of which was started by the saliva of toothless grannies.
I don't blame Obama. I blame Bush meat.
I'm ordering up a Happy Meal 'cuz it has a prize inside!
OK, what's "manioc beer"?
http://pib.socioambiental.org/en/povo/yudja/648
...if only in was merely "started by the saliva of toothless grannies".
Brings to mind the rousing conclusion of that timeless Dead Kennedys' classic "Too Drunk to F***".
This right here is the reason why I know that these creatures will survive. They eat things that would make a billy goat puke.
-Hat tip to Colonel Sam Trautman, the guy who trained Rambo, for the reference.
Yes, that is the apple-flavored rat desert.
Those are rackets for a new olympic sport being proposed by Africa: Bushwhacking
Thanks for the Heinz Ketchup.....I don't do Hunts.
Oh so you're a John Kerry supporter? LOL.
Suddenly this whole thing has Kerry's fingerprints all over it.
This is how they're bringing back the dollar menu, I see.
I don't think this will get MCD back to the positive same store sales numbers they need. Time to roll out the mcrib. Not the fruit bar one, the saw dust one.
The fruit bats are made out of the same stuff they make everything out of; it's all pink slime with different flavor additives.
Duplicate
+21,000,000 William
I like mine with some fava beans and a nice chianti!
I want fries and a strawberry shake with that please! To go!
You won't get far.
William, they actually have those in Monrovia at Mickey D's.
Well, maybe not now...
I never ate any, since they were bats.
At this point, the USG has shot me up with so many anti-illness drugs I'm probably a walking drug store.
You do not go to the Dark Continent until you get every shot you can.
The bats photo is one of the best!
LC, never lose your shot record lest you start over again!
Square needles. Ouch.
Can I have fries and a shake with that plus an hot apple pie?
The golden arches are the chicken mcnuggets in your shoes...
With no travel ban, just a matter of time until Al Qaeda / ISIS start weaponizing fighters by flying them to affected areas to intentionally contract the virus and then get back on board an int'l flight before they become symptomatic...