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Japan Prepares To Release Thousands Of Tons Of Fukushima Groundwater Into The Pacific

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A few days ago, with over a three year delay, Japan finally admitted what was clear to most from day one: the consequences of the Fukushima disaster have been far, far worse than officials had reported, and not only is the containment effort out of control, but that more nuclear fuel had melted at the Fukushima nuclear reactor than previously reported, suggesting that neither TEPCO nor the government have had any success in mitigating what is now the worst - and ongoing - nuclear disaster in history.

So now, perhaps to celebrate its truth-telling ways, TEPCO has announced that it is planning to release thousands of tons of radioactive groundwater from the Fukushima disaster site into the ocean. Actually scratch that: officially the water dumped into the Pacific will be "decontaminated", because TEPCO has that rare habit of "telling the truth." It will also do so only after getting permission from local fishermen, who apparently have a choice: whether to catch five-eyed tuna after giving TEPCO "yes" for an answer, or merely catching five-eyed tuna, period.

As NHK confirms, TEPCO "is seeking approval from fishermen to discharge decontaminated ground water into the ocean."

The spin: dumping "decontaminated" water into the ocean is an improvement because Fukushima is already leaking some 200 tons of contaminated ground water per day into the ocean. So why not slap a "treated" sticker on the water and just dump it all. It's not as if the idiotic plan lifted straight from Game of Thrones, which Japan came up with last year to encase Fukushima in a frozen sarcophagus had any chance of working. So now it is straight to what anyone with a functioning frontal lobe said would happen anyway: thousands if not millions of tons of radioactive water will enter the Pacific anyway. Only this time TEPCO is at least pretending to care about the truth and/or the environment.

More from NHK:

Highly radioactive water at the plant is seeping into the earth and mixing with ground water. Experts estimate around 200 tons of contaminated ground water are leaking into the ocean each day.

 

Engineers with Tokyo Electric Power Company are building an iron barrier along a coastal embankment in a bid to contain the problem.

 

TEPCO officials say they plan to pump the water and remove radioactive substances using a decontamination system they are building. They say the barrier and the decontamination system will be in place in September. But they have limited capacity in storage tanks at the plant, and want to discharge the decontaminated water into the ocean.

In other words, to avoid dumping radioactive water into the Pacific, Japan has to... dump radioactive water into the Pacific. Brilliant.

The officials say they explained the plan to the Fukushima prefectural fisheries association, and they will seek approval from the local fisheries cooperative.

And if the fishermen say no, because guess what: selling glow in the dark toro tartare just happens to cut into the radioactive top and bottom-line, well... tough.

They say they also want to decontaminate ground water collected at wells near reactor buildings before releasing it into the ocean. They will apply to the government to build drainage pipes and other facilities to do so.

But the officials say they will not go ahead without the consent of the fishermen. They say their plan is an improvement on the current situation, as contaminated water is spilling directly into the ocean.

So to summarize: TEPCO will politely ask the local fishermen if it is allowed to dump thousands of tons of "decontaminated" radioactive water into the ocean, and if it doesn't get the green light, it will continue to dump thousands of tons of contaminated radioactive water into the ocean.

Surely some Keynesian professor in some radioactive Tokyo ivory tower has found a way that this idiocy will add to GDP.

 

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Sat, 08/09/2014 - 20:21 | 5071331 TeamDepends
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It's for the children.  But not the fish children.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 20:23 | 5071335 knukles
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No more MGS for you, bitchez.
The whole fucking world has gone absolutely mad

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 20:30 | 5071355 Ineverslice
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I remember when fish was good for you.....Cesium and methane taking it's toll.

 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 21:25 | 5071481 NoDebt
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Where are the environmentalists screaming about this?  Where's Al Gore?

Try to alter the path of drainage ditch in Texas and they're all over your ass.

But not a damned peep about this.  ZH is one of the only places I've seen continuing coverage of the ongoing AND WORSENING Fukushima disaster.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 21:28 | 5071487 Stuck on Zero
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There is a certain insanity to pumping radioactivity out of the ground into the ocean.  It's like pumping arsenic contaminated water out of the ground into the ocean.  Why?

 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 21:34 | 5071509 ZerOhead
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"TEPCO officials say...  But they have limited capacity in storage tanks at the plant, and want to discharge the decontaminated water into the ocean."

Can anybody here think of an alternative solution?

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 21:53 | 5071569 zerozulu
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Harakiri

 

 

 

but why every one else too?

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 22:28 | 5071670 smlbizman
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second biggest pur water filter ive ever seen.....

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 03:25 | 5072104 Elvis the Pelvis
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Radiation sure beats Ebola.  I try to look on the bright side.  Bitchez.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 03:51 | 5072119 Taku
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Irradiated ebola

BTW, someone awesome - please graph a visualization how many times and how much Tepco is dumping and lying and getting away with it.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 08:44 | 5075620 N2OJoe
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@ZerOhead: Uhh, shut the whole thing down and send the nuke fuel to a storage site somewhere else? What do they do with all that fuel elsewhere when they are waiting to use it?

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 03:53 | 5072122 Scarlett
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So what is the trade here?  How do I make the bernankes?

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 04:20 | 5072131 random999
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long geiger counters mate.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 06:42 | 5072185 zhandax
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SEP Iodine calls.  Load the boat!

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 07:49 | 5072266 Manthong
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long half-life..

short whole life.

maybe they need a very long 3 meter pipe and some pumps  to discharge that stuff to the west. 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 22:51 | 5071730 Salsipuedes
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Ask our masters. Same as their masters.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 07:10 | 5072210 weburke
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wave made by bomb, explosions at plant made by bombs. notice the fuke explosions smoke signitures. mininukes. 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 07:58 | 5072274 Manthong
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..thank God for that news.. the radiation will scrub the Ebola after the Ebola scrubs the hosts.

..the earth will be good..  sayonara.........

OK, so much for the black humor.. speaking of black humor..

 Obamabola-Care will fix all of this. 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 07:56 | 5072279 max2205
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Remember the good old days when mercury was the bad guy.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 21:55 | 5071576 JohnnyBriefcase
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It's under control.

I trust them.

If this were significant we would be hearing about it on the TV news not crazy internet blogs.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 02:30 | 5072056 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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Please do not worry.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 06:49 | 5072193 zhandax
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Will someone please tell me they will at least strain it through a couple of coffee filters?  A handkerchief?  A pair of panty hose?  Anything?  Not that it will do any better than just lying about it.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 08:03 | 5072287 Manthong
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hmm.. strain through panty hose..

sounds good to me.

 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 22:09 | 5071607 Number 156
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TEPCO:
'Ive got a cunning plan'.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 12:02 | 5072702 barre-de-rire
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cunty*

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 22:30 | 5071675 g speed
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bottle it--sell it to the public school system in Japan and let the little kidneys filter it---Its a win win for TEPCO  --no more radioactive water to deal with and the fishermans assoc., I'm sure, will approve the plan---

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 23:24 | 5071811 ZerOhead
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No no no and NO... the answer is MORE STORAGE TANKS

Geeesh... You guys should work for TEPCO. Clearly you would be top executive material over there...

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 08:11 | 5072292 Manthong
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OK.. OK.. there has got to be some kind of good marketing hook over there with the giant mutant tuna angle. 

kinda like the sexy man buys JGBs thing..

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 11:40 | 5072636 ThroxxOfVron
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NO.  The answer is to send in:

1. the politicians that approved the building of Fukushima.

2. the regulators that proclaimed it safe.

3. the bankers and businessmen that made enormous profits designing and building the doomed facility.

4. the TEPCO executives and board that lobbied for and reaped profits from the peroid where the true costs of the plant were hidden, obscured and/or denied.  The Fukushima plant was/is in fact a giant negative sum gain extractive project: the 'profits' that were taken by everyone down the chain were fantom accountings based on a brief utility that is now followed by the inevitable damage and costs that are multiples of the aggregate of those phony 'profits'.

Send those people physically into the plant that profited so mightily from it.  The bill is due for their malfeasance.  It's time for them to take their proper place and do the job of mitigating the disaster until their are fully expended.

Environmental hazards of such magnitude are unacceptable prices to pay for the enrichment of a minority.   

 

The oceans must cease to be utilized to secretly dispose of wastes whether they be from agriculture, manufacturing, energy production, or any other activity.

 

...& by the way: do some reasearch on what the French are doing with large amounts of the waste effluvent from their nuclear industry and related sub-industries.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 22:35 | 5071684 FreedomGuy
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Brita water filters.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 23:25 | 5071817 ZerOhead
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Why do I even bother...

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 03:38 | 5072111 FreedomGuy
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Don't take it personally. Just go with the humor. It is better natured on this thread than most.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 23:36 | 5071841 Buck Johnson
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First of all how do they decontaminate water?  I've always wondered how that is possible.  And two there is no solution, that is the solution.  You see the reason why most of the world and govt. are ignoring this in the media is because they already know that this is a catastrophe of epic proportions and for one Japan will become an unliveable island forever and a day.  And two, our ocean wildlife is going to be contaminated and not edible for food.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 01:18 | 5071999 prmths2
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Ion exchange resins for solutes; not much to be done using off-the-shelf technology for tritiated water.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 01:43 | 5072023 ZerOhead
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It may be good but it sounds expensive... I don't think it will fly.

Do you have something that sounds cheaper?

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 09:53 | 5072396 man of Wool
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Distillation. Expensive. Need another power station tp boil the water.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 11:33 | 5072621 man of Wool
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Distillation. Expensive. Need another power station to boil the water.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 12:43 | 5072803 Matt
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Genetically modify Giant Pacific Kelp to use Melanin instead of Chlorophyll, so it is radiotropic instead of phototropic. The Kelp will thrive on and absorb the radioactive material to help it grow faster. Then just harvest the Black Kelp, dry it, and put it in an old mine or gravel pit somewhere.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 03:01 | 5075232 prmths2
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Ion exchange resins are used in the initial production of uranium through in situ extraction and in the processing of high level nuclear waste. Whether it is "cheap" or "expensive" for treating low level waste depends upon the cost/benefit analysis that is applied to the alternatives available, including dilution by dumping it into the ocean.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 11:12 | 5072575 Abitdodgie
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decontaminate , just put the water in big tanks and let the radiation settle to the bottom of the tank and you can drain the rest of , like making home brew its easy.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 12:44 | 5072806 Matt
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How long does it take without any disturbance for water with a tritium atom to settle down? Will a 5.0 Earthquake undo the progress? 400 cubic meters of water per day seems like you're going to need a lot of storage tanks.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 00:17 | 5071898 peter4805
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Rent a super tanker park it off shore and pump the water into it. It would take a long, long time to fill one of those.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 01:40 | 5072021 ZerOhead
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Exzcellent idea. Now add the dillution solution.

Baltic dry tanker rates are low... perhaps the Indian ocean is in need of some cesium and strontium enrichment?

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 06:59 | 5072201 zhandax
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There has to be a desert somewhere where an experimental irrigation project would be welcome.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 07:16 | 5072213 BeansMcGreens
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Then when full cruise by Somalia.

Pirate leader 'Why be no one provide ransom allah be praised'?

First Mate 'Don't know boss man, by way your beard dont look so good'.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 12:47 | 5072810 Matt
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"Rent a super tanker park it off shore and pump the water into it. It would take a long, long time to fill one of those."

About 120 days at 400 tons per day, not counting existing backlog. How much is a tanker worth?

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 00:55 | 5071945 jerry_theking_lawler
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raise the limit determining 'contaminated' and voila....problem solved.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 01:45 | 5072018 ZerOhead
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Brilliant! That's a wrap!

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 09:15 | 5072355 logicalman
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Already been done, but then the contamination got worse than the new limit.

Time to up it again.

Soon it will be safe to put Polonium 210 in your tea!

 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 03:51 | 5072121 Ginsengbull
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Fill oil tankers.

 

Ship it to Antarctica.

 

Make big ice cubes.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 12:49 | 5072814 Matt
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I suspect the radioactivity might make the contaminated water self-heating for at least a hundred years, so freezing it may be problematic.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 07:40 | 5072250 RealityCheque
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Tepco execs could drink it. Less water, less moronic execs.

2 problems solved.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 22:07 | 5071603 RafterManFMJ
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Heard from the cracked lips of an 89 year old Japanese man as he feverishly spins the release valve, "You die, Joe!"

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 21:30 | 5071490 General Decline
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That is a great question. Reminds me of how Code Pink and the other war protesters just magically disappeared after Obama was elected. Unreal.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 12:31 | 5072770 viahj
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not so much that they disappeared, rather the MSM stop giving them airtime

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 21:43 | 5071500 ZerOhead
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"Where are the environmentalists screaming about this?  Where's Al Gore?"

 

Do you want to set up and man a protest barricade 24/7 outside the ongoing Fukushima fuck-up? Right.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 23:26 | 5071819 CheapBastard
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Scientists expect traces of Fukushima radiation on West Coast soon (Mar 15, 2014)

 

Federal agencies are not sampling at the beach. Washington also doesn't test ocean water for radiation, said Washington Department of Health spokesman Donn Moyer. The state of Oregon is sampling, but looking for higher radiation levels closer to federal health standards, said state health physicist Daryl Leon.

The March 2011 tsunami off Japan flooded the Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear plant, causing radiation-contaminated water to spill into the Pacific. Airborne radiation was detected in milk and rainwater in the U.S. soon afterward. But things move much more slowly in the ocean.

"We know there's contaminated water coming out of there, even today," Ken Buesseler, a senior scientist at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts, said in a video appealing for volunteers and contributions.

In fact, it is the biggest pulse of radioactive liquid dropped in the ocean ever, he said.

 

 

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/03/15/scientists-expect-traces-fukus...

 

 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 07:18 | 5072218 zhandax
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So has giant clam (geoduck) come down any in price at the sushi bars?

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 21:48 | 5071519 freewolf7
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So I'm reading this title on ZH, as I'm out on a Saturday night, watching the Americans who choose to be oblivious to the Pacific bring irreparably poisoned. We are so fucked.

I'm remembering the film Pacino was in. He played a blind guy, and in his testimony for a young man, he slammed his walking stick on the desk, yelling, "If I was half the man I was, I'd take a flame thrower to this place."
That's how frustrating Americans' passivity can be to me. Is it the programming? Have we just thrown in the towel? It's amazing to watch.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 22:19 | 5071635 PrintemDano
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"choose to be oblivious to the Pacific bring irreparably poisoned"

 

Like the Gulf was irreparably poisoned after the Oil Well blew up.....drivel...drivel...drivel....lies lies lies...I heard the same BS lies here after the oil well leaked all over the Gulf of Mexico....The Gulf is just fine despite the lies, and the Pacific will be just fine....Stick to economics...on that subject you guys excel...

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 22:30 | 5071676 freewolf7
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How many shrimp do I need to eat to get my Recommended Daily Allowance of Corexit?

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 23:17 | 5071792 COSMOS
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Freewolf its just that people dont have to time to dig for other sources of info.  Do you think the MSM is going to play this up when Sunkist tuna pays for advertising.  Average Jack and Jill, are barely making ends meet, running around stressed all week, and probably nursing a hangover on the weekend as they seek to detach from their miserable lives for a few hours.

This country has gone to shit when power was allowed to get concentrated in the hands of a few.  If people truly knew and understood they would be burning down the white house and congress.  But they dont know and nobody is teaching them.  Maybe the price shocks will wake them up a bit, but those in power will have someone to blame,  the boogeymen are Russia and China.

We truly are fucked big time.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 00:04 | 5071880 UselessEater
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Right now I am tired of excusing average Jack and Jill, further I'm tired of their rolling eyes when a friend, colleague or neighbor does share even the most basic information with them. The polite ones express amazement then promptly disengage brain. It a common experience for most of us who read ZH etc.

Everyone can find one hour per week to read or watch a link given to them with the words "it's important for your kids or you".

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 06:58 | 5072198 onthesquare
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Amen Brother

the roling eyes of family members and friends have pushed me over the edge.  Not many people GAF.  We deserve what is in store for us because we have done this to ourselves with this "if you build it, they will come" retardedness. 

Everything is made of elements.  Some are not used in nature and some nature never supplied.  We supplied the nastiest elements by far.  Mix in some with the natural and good elements with a half life of a few hours or days and bang you have just entered the twilight zone.  Get ready to transform into a mass of rotting organic muck and die.

This is the Ennnnd.  Jim Morrison

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 09:18 | 5072358 logicalman
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Sometimes at work I say 'something'.

Usually written off with words such as 'oh, he's off again"

I've pretty much given up.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 06:17 | 5072174 StychoKiller
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The flick was "Scent of a Woman"

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 22:52 | 5071731 snodgrass
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Gore is only interested in money. Who cares about poisoning the ocean and then people. There are too many of them anyway.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 06:50 | 5072191 onthesquare
Sun, 08/10/2014 - 14:36 | 5072818 malek
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 WORSENING Fukushima disaster

Sorry to object but it had been that bad since day 5 or so.
It's only becoming more known how bad it is.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 21:40 | 5071521 Hulk
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Little known fact: Eating radioactive fish prevents one from contracting Ebola. Pass it on and tell em you heard it here...

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 07:29 | 5072236 zhandax
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Hulk I know that is in jest but it (and a few beers) makes me wonder; some of our fruit is irradiated intentionally.  If one avoids the content of a fishes stomach, shouldn't the meat simply be irradiated?  Is there any transmission mechanism to transfer radioactive particles from the stomach to the meat?  Will the consumption of irradiated meat cause any ill effects?

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 12:55 | 5072826 Matt
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The contminants will go into the blood and then the tissue. Strontium goes in the bones, so don't eat fish bones. The Caesium or Iodine will collect in the organs, so stay away from the liver, kidneys, etc. I don't know if the meat itself will absorb anything.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 01:46 | 5072029 Motorhead
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Yeah, buddy....brain food!

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 20:36 | 5071359 y3maxx
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...""Dumping Radioactive Water will counteract the Ebola Virus""....Dr. Wakalulu, Head Scientist, Fukushima Laboraties.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 20:46 | 5071393 WayBehind
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Priceless comment! Every time I need some entertainment I visit the ZH comment section! :)

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 21:40 | 5071528 Hulk
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SHit !!! I need to read further down the thread before posting...

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 20:33 | 5071363 Divided States ...
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No wonder the fuckin japs have to use a 'scientific' loophole to hunt for endangered whales in other countries waters because they dont want to eat the fish they catch around their own country's radioactive waters. Abe can go fuck himself.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 21:03 | 5071432 TeamDepends
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Honest Abe's visage will be immortalized in the Fukushima ice-wall, which will last fifteen minutes three seconds.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 21:15 | 5071454 Greenskeeper_Carl
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"fuk-a u amerika"

maybe this is just their payback for the 2 atomic bombs we needlessly dropped on them in WWII. Most of that shit will wind up here anyway

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 21:28 | 5071484 The Blank Stare
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Yeah, and Abe just visited both hiroshima and Nagasaki here to remember the victims of the bombs. How fucking ironic is that?

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 21:40 | 5071527 PrecipiceWatching
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Did he also visit Pearl Harbor, the Phillipines, Nanking et al to refresh the Japanese memory of their feral ancestors?

HIGHLY selective history.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 22:47 | 5071722 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Ummm, you probably want to exclude Pearl Harbor from your list, since the planning, preparation, and pretty much every other part of it except the actual bombing were orchestrated by FDR.

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/12/06/pearl-harbor-roosevelt-knew/
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2013/12/05/a-president-who-should-liv...

You also might not want to mention the Philippines.

Just tryin' to help.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 04:14 | 5072126 zebrasquid
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C'mon, only white Americans need to carry the cross the of their ancestors past...everyone else walks free..

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 09:28 | 5072368 logicalman
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History is always selective and written by the 'vicitor'

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 21:43 | 5071516 PrecipiceWatching
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Incredibly stupid comment.

 

But sure to garner some up votes from the reflexively anti-American, obsessive dunces who infest this Forum.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 22:13 | 5071586 The Blank Stare
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So why are you here? Or are you in Okinawa, or iwakuni, or another one of the US bases in japan. Dipshit!

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 23:14 | 5071786 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

Incredibly stupid comment.

Only to the indoctrinated. Don't feel bad, though, as there was a time not too long ago when I would have agreed with you.

However, over the last ten years or so I've come to learn that a lot of the things I thought I knew about the US were nothing more than myths. The story about the atom bombs ending the war was one of those myths. It turns out that as early as January 1945, Roosevelt knew that the Japanese wanted to surrender, offering terms nearly identical to those finally accepted in September 1945.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n3p-4_Weber.html

But sure to garner some up votes from the reflexively anti-American, obsessive dunces who infest this Forum.

Well, now that you can't say that you were never told anything different about the justification for using the atom bombs, you face a choice. You can choose to seek the truth, no matter where it leads, or you can cling to the comfort of the familiar myth. Seeking the truth can be a difficult, unpleasant, even heart-wrenching task, and not everyone has the courage to do so. Good luck.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 22:22 | 5071652 PrintemDano
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Needless your ass, dumbfuk.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 14:24 | 5073063 rwe2late
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President Dwight D. Eisenhower, a five-star general and the Supreme Allied Commander in Europe, said in his memoirs he believed “that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary.”

Adm. William Leahy, the wartime Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, wrote in 1950, “It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material success in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender….”

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/08/01/censorship-and-myth-making-about-...

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 21:31 | 5071496 SgtShaftoe
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I always thought it would be more entertaining if Greenpeace could get some torpedos.  Whaling ship.  What whaling ship?

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 14:25 | 5073065 TradingTroll
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To be frank, the whales are just one of those cherry picked environmental issues.

 

Based on decimation numbers, whether by size or weight, noone competes with the global worldwide destruction of fish at the hands of (billionaire owned) Norwegian fish farms.Toxic antibiotics and disease resistant viruses travel the world and make ebola look like childs play. The juvenile salmon are dying en masse on the west coast.

 

Destroy all the wild fish and then you have to eat their product. Thats their MO. Funny thing is noone knows how the ecosystem works so we have no idea whats next

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 20:29 | 5071360 jal
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Now we can have those 2,000 lbs tunas growing again.
Naw!,l, That,s nota tumor in the tuna.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 20:36 | 5071376 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Naw!,l, That,s nota tumor in the tuna.

Nope, it's a tuna in the tumor. Think of it as a bonus prize!

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 20:57 | 5071421 juangrande
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I'll have tumor fish on rye please!

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 21:20 | 5071468 TeamDepends
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You like fatty tuma?  You said tuna, right?

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 20:33 | 5071368 Seek_Truth
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Prease no wolly.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 01:10 | 5071963 good man
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My last pay check was $9500 working 12 hours a week online. My sisters friend has been averaging 15k for months now and she works about 20 hours a week. I can't believe how easy it was once I tried it out. This is what I do... http://goo.gl/bhiamE

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 09:15 | 5072356 Semi-employed W...
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I have a job for you in Fukushima Prefecture.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 20:23 | 5071338 Duc888
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Dilution is the solution.  Yayyyyyyyy!

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 20:24 | 5071342 paint it red ca...
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Fuck a carbon tax, tax tepco for being stupid, deceptive and incompetant.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 20:26 | 5071343 logicalman
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It's not so much the water that worries me.

What the fuck is dissolved in it???

On a lighter note, Japan is finished as a country.

Now try telling me nuclear power is cheap.

 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 20:32 | 5071367 cpnscarlet
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Nuke power CAN be cheap, it's those damn boiling water reactors that get expensive. There's more than one way to skin this cat, but unfortunately, the cat has been kicked out of the house now.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 20:38 | 5071377 logicalman
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Why don't we have Thorium reactors?

You can't make bombs with Thorium reactors.

I was referring to the way nukes were sold to Joe Public.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 22:37 | 5071694 g speed
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it is cheap--face the east in the morning and feel the heat----

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 09:20 | 5072359 logicalman
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A handy fusion reactor at a nice safe distance!

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 21:01 | 5071428 Idaho potato head
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That sixties TV show comes to mind 'As the World burns'

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 21:21 | 5071471 Greenskeeper_Carl
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it will be interesing to see how this turns out. That mess is right above the aquifer that supplies water to the worlds most populous city. If that city doesnt have safe water, it is uninhabitable. That would absolutly destroy the country, which is also one of the most commonly traded currencies in the world, and one of the biggest ecoeomies in the world, which would also wipe out every single entity that was holding JGBs as any kind of 'collateral' or counting them as 'capital', and no, their central bank doesnt hold all of them. This would destroy the illusion of our debt based economy once and for all

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 00:42 | 5071924 UselessEater
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Coincidentally, Japanese is not one of the 8 languages on the Georgia Guidestones.

An irrelevant observation, I'm sure.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/sinistersites/sinister-sites-the-georgia-guid...

 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 13:46 | 5072959 TradingTroll
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Japanese Doctors say Tokyo unihabitable. eg;

http://www.save-children-from-radiation.org/2014/07/16/a-tokyo-doctor-wh...

 

 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 22:10 | 5071610 RafterManFMJ
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Now try telling me nuclear power is cheap.

Fuck man, EVERYTHING is cheap when someone else is forced to pick up the bill or suffer the consequences.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 07:06 | 5072206 onthesquare
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Nuclear - the gift that keeps on giving.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 22:26 | 5071662 PrintemDano
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Nuclear energy IS cheap.  Shouldn't be built on a fault line, and it's very expensive for the OWNER after a disaster....making the stock a bit risky....the rest of the hyperbole is just that....hyperbole....check the Gulf of Mexico....nice and clean not long after the oil rig disaster....The Pacific will be, and is just fine....now take your bottle and go back to bed.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 07:39 | 5072246 Cui Bono
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Dano are you really this fucking ignorant? The red tide out there now has created what they are calling the second largest dead zone ever seen. And the flesh eating bacteria is doing great too. The Gulf remains fubar.

You said the Gulf is fine... why don't you come back with the corexit didn't cause the red tide...

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 20:27 | 5071347 trader1
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if you're still eating (pacific ocean sourced) seafood, then you may want to consider quitting the habit.  

 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 21:56 | 5071575 oudinot
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I have a scintillometer  I use for prospecting Uranium, Thorium, Niobium.  It is basically a geiger counter which measures radiation..

I use it on every can of Pacific tuna and, as of yet, the radiometrics are just 'background', very low.

Not to worry yet.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 23:00 | 5071750 Apply Force
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West coast starfish and other assorted suffering sealife say otherwise

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 08:49 | 5072327 oudinot
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I am not saying there is not any radiometric/radiation  pollution in Pacific seafood; all I am saying is that every Pacific tuna can I have measured there is no radiation whasoever.

And I have been doing this for over two years for every can used in our household.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 14:43 | 5073098 Tapeworm
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What detector are you using?

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 03:08 | 5072085 Ginsengbull
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You have to open the can first.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 09:27 | 5072331 oudinot
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ha, ha.

 You don't know anything about radiation.  Radiation goes through a thin sheet of metal without any trouble at all.

And just to satisfy your ignorance, I took the tuna out of the can measured the radiation and it was the same, safe number.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 13:42 | 5072941 TradingTroll
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Wrong again. Radiation meets flesh and burns it. Radiation inside the can doesnt necessarily emit to the outside. Thats why proper sampling methods would include opening the can.

 

Large emissions of radionuclides occurring inside a dense material weaken as they exit the can. Those chunks of hot tuna inside the can could burn your insides the rest of your life.

 

This is how you test it, for example, with a Canberra Germanium detector:

http://www.jaica.com/e/radiation.html

 

And I guarantee it costs a lot more than $15,000

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 13:50 | 5072970 oudinot
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The scintillometer MEASURES radioactivity; if the can of Tuna does not measure for radiation ,then the can, or its contents, are not radioactive.

It's that simple.

I Have workled with Uranium, Potassium, Thorium, Niobium , Tantalum , Neodynium  and other rare earths for years I know what I am doing and you, sir, certainly do not.

End of Subject

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 05:15 | 5072148 Ratscam
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Fuck do you ever do research or read the Fukushima Comments on ZH?
None of the Geiger counters can detect radiation in your food. Once they do, the food will be at a lethal level. It takes expensive lab equipment to do radiation tests. So continue to play hobby gamma scout but don,t be surprised if you do not detect this one particle of Strontium 90 that will kill you with a certainty of 100%.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 09:04 | 5072344 oudinot
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Wrongo.

Radiation is easy to measure; my scintillometer cost me $15k and it was calibrated at a lab and has had consistent measurements for over 7 years.

My friends wife had a nuclear marker  put through her veins for a medical test.  I put the scintillometer against her stomach and got a high reading-56,000 beats per minute (my Pacific tuna cans put out around 60 beats a minute, basically background).  

She asked the doctor if those rads were unhealthy, he replied, 'No'.

Strontium would show on my scintillometer-couldn't 'miss it' because it would manifest itself in the measurement.

Buddy, you don't know what you are talking about.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 12:02 | 5072700 Clycntct
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Thanks for that backround. It helps to know Your not a drive by tepco.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 14:31 | 5073077 CheapBastard
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Instead of any fancy, expensive meters or o-ometers, why not use common sense? 

 

Damage = length radiation exposure x dose

 

I know, I know it's a simplification but WTF, why buy a $1,000 piece of equipment when common sense works pretty well. We know what radition does to you so why rationalize it like people did with tobacco for years while people were dying like flies around them from smoking and lung cancer.

 

 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 20:12 | 5074352 blackbeardz
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it takes one radionuclide to cause cancer if ingested and stays in body. you can't detect that. to bad for you.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 01:05 | 5071956 blackbeardz
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nope. If you are still stupid enough to eat pacific seafood of ANY kind then

eat lies and die.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 20:30 | 5071348 pauhana
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Keynsians rejoice!  The ultimate in window-breaking!

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 20:29 | 5071356 chubbar
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When the fuck is someone going to call these fuckers out on this? These cocksucking Japanese are all about saving face but could give a shit about doing the right thing. There should have been a world wide call to action when this first hit. Maybe nothing could have been done about it but at least the world could have tried. Bunch of fucking idiots.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 20:35 | 5071373 Buster Cherry
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Maybe so, but this is now.

How do they make this right? It can't be done.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 21:38 | 5071517 Slave
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We could at least get nuclear plants along fault lines shut down. But that's just crazy talk.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 20:43 | 5071388 DirkDiggler11
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Is perfect. Those TEPCO lying fucks are poisoning their own people and giving cancer to a nation. They can save face all they want, right until the point that their faces begin to melt. Fucking Jap bastards, got what's coming to them now !

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 22:29 | 5071671 PrintemDano
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The Nation is getting cancer?  How fucking ignorant are you?    Never mind, your name says it all.   Stop reading wacko environmentalist websites, you'll be MUCH wiser.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 20:51 | 5071389 Rattling Bones
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The world is too busy concentrating on Global Warming to worry about the environment.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 21:07 | 5071412 Rusty Shorts
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It's totally fucked dude, there really are no options. The Japs got stuck with these nuke plants after WW2 under the Marshall Plan, built by GE.

 

UNIT 4 MOX fuel total melt down -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrp5yLLh3Dc

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 07:10 | 5072208 onthesquare
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check out the suicide forest at the base of mount Fuji.  A lot of Japanese know they are totally Fuck-ushimad

 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 20:30 | 5071362 cpnscarlet
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Sorry folks, but it's the only thing to do. The contaminated water will disipate and be indistinguishible from the background radiation quick enough.

And if they would have dropped what was left of the cores (and all the regular casketed waste) into the deep Pacific trenches, the xenobiotic life forms down there would thrive in the new-found warmth, and we'd never see the stuff again. The earth is tougher than we think.

Come to think of it, if they had dumped the casketed waste on a regular basis into the deep trenches before the tsunami, this whole event would have been a lot less catastrophic.

And so now it's "goodbye nuke power, hello more coal and NG", and we'll just wait for all the hydrocarbons to run out. Anyone got any other ideas for a high-density energy source that doesn't require oxidation? Perhaps someone will get lucky and develop a cheap 50% solar cell. One can hope.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 21:14 | 5071452 Bay Area Guy
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And just what happens next time they have too much water?  They dump again.....and again.....and again.  I hope you're aware that the cores are not in the containment vessels.   What's left of them, at least the part that didn't blow out into the air when one of the damn things exploded, are now "missing".  TEPCO says they can't find them.  What is left is constantly radiating the ground water that seeps into the basement of the reactor buildings.....you know.....the water they are trying to store?  Well, last I looked, Japan still gets rain from time to time and TEPCO is having to store more and more water.  An ice wall?  Just how big would that ice wall have to be to stop all the ground water for, oh, I don't know, 100 years?  What happens when the ice wall gets breached?

If it was a one time thing, maybe, MAYBE I might say it was a decent idea.  But these jerks have been constantly pouring irradiated water in the ocean since 2011.  Yeah, it's a big ocean.  But have you noted the stories regarding ocean life and wildlife die-offs in the Pacific and in the Northwest and Alaska?  Do yourself a favor.  Go over to enenews.com.  They are on top of this whole thing.  It might change your mind about the disaster of Fukushima.....the disaster that keeps on giving.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 21:25 | 5071480 cpnscarlet
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Even if every point you say is true, I am simply addressing the reality that is in front of us without wasting breath on "what ifs" and "what could have/should have happened". You got a BETTER solution? Let's hear it.

The only thing I'll take issue with is your comment that "it's a big ocean". No - compared to the amount of water they need to dump, the Pacific is an "incredibly huge, gigantic, enormous, MFing ocean"...for lack of a more technical phrase.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 21:55 | 5071572 TeamDepends
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Here's the solution:  Worldwide class-action lawsuit against GE.  Seize all their assets and distribute equitably.  Rainbows and no lawyers everywhere!!!!!

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 07:19 | 5072221 onthesquare
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You make it sound easy.  The solution to pollution is dilution.  Some of us still have the belief that their is a Supreme Being watching our actions and what we do to this earth we have made stewards of.  Man made those radioactive spieces that destroy and alter other elements. 

The "out of sight out of mind" mentality you are preaching has always come back to haunt us. 

Better planning with out having to take short cuts like buying off the politicians is always better than crossing the bridge when we come to it phylosophy. 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 11:24 | 5072600 cpnscarlet
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Nothing that deals with high-density energy sources is "easy", but the French have had great success with deep-rock burial of their waste. We (US) were on our way there at Yucca Flats, but politics killed it. Tell me how a casketed core rods dumped into Challenger Deep will come back to bite us? If we safely store old rods in pools about 30 feet deep, wouldn't 2.5 miles of ocean water be better?

And MAN did not create the Uranium that is mined from the earth. And I'll take an even money bet that the reactor-generated elements like Plutonium is also created in large stars as well just like every other element we know of.

As to what the Supreme Being would think of the mess that has been made...interesting discussion, but not here and not now.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 22:58 | 5071743 Buster Cherry
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Ice wall. What a joke. How will you find a crew of trenchers willing to die to accomplish this. Oh then you have the pipe fitters for the coolant loops, instrument fitters, electricians , insulators, maintenance, etc.

Can you imaging the chiller plant needed to support this? Won't it have to have an ice floor as well??? And won't all this still be subject to natures actions?

Propaganda.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 21:19 | 5071463 Government need...
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OK, just tell that to the EPA while we fire up some coal-burning power plants Stateside.  Let me know how that goes, now, you hear?

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 20:30 | 5071364 Cacete de Ouro
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Maybe if the Japanese give Fukishima a big screen pixelation like the way they pixelate Japanese pussies, then no one will notice the radiation.

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