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As Obama Launches Another Iraq Assault, Here Is An Undercover Look Inside ISIS

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While the biggest geopolitical news of the past week was Obama's announcement he would become only the fourth president in a row to order military action in Iraq, explicitly targeting the ISIS jihadists, the far bigger question are the developments that spurred the administration to finally act.

The NYT reports that "as the tension mounted in Washington" the catalyst for Obama's decision was sudden developments surrounding the Kurdistan capital, Erbil. "Kurdish forces who had been fighting the militants in three nearby Christian villages abruptly fell back toward the gates of the city, fanning fears that the city might soon fall. By Thursday morning, people were thronging the airport, desperate for flights out of town. "The situation near Erbil was becoming more dire than anyone expected," said a senior administration official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to describe the White House’s internal deliberations. “We didn’t want another Benghazi."

The reason for this is that the US has an embassy in Erbil: that falling to ISIS would be the supreme punch in the gut for an administration whose foreign policy has become the butt of all global jokes. What's worse, now that ISIS had taken control of a critical dam in Mosul (which as we reported earlier controls water levels on the Tigris levels as far as Baghdad, and whose capture "shook Kurdish officials and fueled the sense of crisis" as it gave ISIS all of the leverage) the US embassy could be flooded should ISIS blow up the dam in question.

In other words, Obama merely took to arms after the threat of another massive foreign humiliation became all too real and when the reality that the Kurdish defense was about to fall. Of course, the actual stated reason for intervention was different, a far more noble one.

At a 90-minute meeting in the Situation Room on Thursday morning, Mr. Obama was briefed again about the plight of the Iraqis stranded on Mount Sinjar. Members of an ancient religious sect known as Yazidi, they were branded as devil worshipers by the militants. The women were to be enslaved; the men were to be slaughtered.

 

Officials told Mr. Obama there was a real danger of genocide, under the legal definition of the term. “While we have faced difficult humanitarian challenges, this was in a different category,” said an official. “That kind of shakes you up, gets your attention.”

 

At 11:20 a.m., Mr. Obama left the meeting to travel to Fort Belvoir, Va., where he signed a bill expanding health care for veterans. He had all but made up his mind to authorize airstrikes, officials said, and while he was away, his team drafted specific military options.

 

When the president returned to the White House barely an hour later, he went back into meetings with his staff. By then, there were news reports of airdrops and possible strikes. But the White House “hunkered down,” an official said, refusing to comment on the reports for fear of endangering a nighttime airdrop over Mount Sinjar.

 

Mr. Obama did not announce the operations until dawn had broken in Iraq, a delay of several hours that added to the panic in Erbil. Reports of explosions near the city at dusk on Thursday night sowed confusion after Kurdish officials said the United States had begun airstrikes on the militants. The Pentagon flatly denied the reports.

The rest is now well-known (the full breakdown can be found here), and culminated with Obama's Thursday announcement as well as the immediate launch of bombing raids on ISIS militants.

Here is the most recent Iraq situation report courtesy of the Institute for the Study of War.

Within the past 24 hours, ISIS seized Mosul Dam. This capture provides ISIS strategic advantage over the Iraqi state. The dam's collapse would severely damage vast areas of the country where ISIS seeks to achieve military victory but has encountered heavy resistance. Also, ISIS now controls electricity production to Mosul and the group extends its claimed territory farther north. ISIS continues to fight the Peshmerga in Makhmour, south of Mosul and the IA in Dhuluiya, north of Baghdad. Although the United States conducted two rounds of targeted airstrikes against ISIS held territory outside of Arbil and Mosul, it remains too early to determine whether or not the group will adjust its military strategy. ISIS is likely hardening territorial boundaries for the Islamic Caliphate east of Mosul, but ISW assess ISIS will not attempt to seize Erbil. Still, fear of an ISIS attack on Erbil has peaked.

So now that the attention is once again back to ISIS, whose dramatic success in forming the caliphate was lost to the world following the return of hostilities in Ukraine and the escalation of the second Cold War, here are, courtesy of Vice News, the first two parts of a series looking at life in the Islamic State caliphate. Vice News reporter Medyan Dairieh spent three weeks embedded with the Islamic State, gaining access to the group in Iraq and Syria as the first and only journalist to document its inner workings.

In part 1, Dairieh heads to the frontline in Raqqa, where Islamic State fighters are laying siege to the Syrian Army’s division 17 base.

 

In Part 2 filmmaker Medyan Dairieh meets an Islamic State member from Belgium who works to indoctrinate some of the youngest members of the group. He also gains further insight into the minds of Islamic State fighters as they host celebrations and military parades featuring American tanks and APCs seized from the Iraqi army.

 

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Sat, 08/09/2014 - 08:57 | 5069408 junction
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Okay, interview and tour over.  Now let's just exterminate the ISIS, starting with their leader, whether he is a Mossad agent or not.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 09:07 | 5069435 barbarika
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Can someone please drop John Mccain to be with his brethren in Islamic State. Maybe he can talk with them to only focus on Asad and returns the weapons after killing Assad. What an idiot. 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 09:14 | 5069443 Arius
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Obama has been doing all he can under very difficult circumstances.  What he has facing has been much more than Bush the father, Clinton, and GW Bush ever faced alltogether ... perhaps as many as the last ten presidents all together.  What did they ever face?  a largely non existent Soviet threat.  Obama is facing that, China, Al Qaeda, ISIs and much more ...

 

Everyone should be supporting the President!

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 09:19 | 5069448 surf0766
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NO he funded ISIS. He and MCCain. He is responsible. Stop making excuses

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 09:35 | 5069480 Leonardo Fibonacci2
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I guess Bush wasn't that bad after all.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 09:38 | 5069490 Arius
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I have noticed ZHers are anti Obama, however, I will hold on to my opinion.

I have noticed that most of the hard anti Obamas, are of the types that expect the President to solve everything by some magic bullet.

They do not realize the President at the end doesnt have that much power, there are many people, players who direct things towards a certain direction and the President it is just another player.  Yes, it is an important job, but so are many other jobs in Wall Street etc....

yes, it might make you feel good to blame someone and the President it is an easy target however, if you stop and think for a moment he has been doing all he can and he is facing quite a lot...

btw, down arrows do not bother me .. whatever....

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 09:52 | 5069510 sushi
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the President at the end doesnt have that much power

 

You are completely correct.

Being able to fire missiles at wedding parties taking place anywhere in the world is a sure sign of weakness.

Being able to collect and review all of your private communications is pretty weak.

Making sure you get your gentials groped at the airport well that is poofta stuff.

Bombing something cause you just had a hunch it needed to be bombed is totally weak.

Disregarding the US constitution is just doing what all weak dictators do.

You are so, so, correct in your views. I am flabbergasted the facts fail to support your dream state.

 



Sat, 08/09/2014 - 10:02 | 5069536 Cathartes Aura
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sigh.

just because all of these things listed - and more - HAPPEN, does not mean the positioned figurehead - currently Obama, Bushes before, with a bit o' Clinton -

is the go-to for actions.  shit happens daily, always has, in the alphabet agencies, under covers, behind scenes, interwoven agendas play out.

it's handy to have a face to blame - that's what they're paid for, of course - BUT never mistake the glove puppet

for the Hand.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 10:18 | 5069567 MalteseFalcon
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Does ISIS have a private central bank, yet?

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 10:28 | 5069583 TheReplacement
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So she's on our side right?

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 10:34 | 5069602 nmewn
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Yeah, as long as you get a government approved license from one of her regulatory agencies, you can say pretty much anything you want ;-)

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 10:44 | 5069622 Stackers
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The terrorist sporting Raybans was a nice touch. Someone needs to get that poor fool out of the 1980's

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 11:04 | 5069663 GetZeeGold
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ZHers are anti Obama however, I will hold on to my opinion.

 

The communist muslim dictator serves up a mean glass of Koolaid!

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 12:04 | 5069893 CheapBastard
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Are these the 'minds and hearts' Bush won over?

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 12:40 | 5070002 Four chan
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america was never designed to be at perpetual war, only perpetual money printing and debt makes it so.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 15:50 | 5070576 James_Cole
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The reason for this is that the US has an embassy in Erbil: that falling to ISIS would be the supreme punch in the gut for an administration whose foreign policy has become the butt of all global jokes. 

Ridiculous when people keep pretending it is "this" administration. US has been bombing Iraq continuously for roughly 3 fucking decades people! 'Obama' foreign policy represents continuous AMERICAN foreign policy. Only real difference is dem presidents seem less war mongers than their repub counterparts, but not by that much. 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 16:39 | 5070726 Hephaestus
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Warning not for the feint of SOUL. Here Is An Undercover Look Inside what ISIS will soon be. And so will we all I think.
http://youtu.be/spw5nmUrpWA

PS look at the date. They have had enought time to do it.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 19:31 | 5071189 espirit
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Left handed finger wave.

I'm sure they washed up for the photo op, right?

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 01:27 | 5072008 COSMOS
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Something looks real fishy about those guys.  Given that VICE is owned by the Zionists one has to wonder how did it get such exclusive privilages amongst a bunch of towelheads even Al Queda is against.

Those three guys look to me more like Benny, Saul, and Shlomo

Actually the guy on the far left looks more like Jesus.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 03:14 | 5072093 Elvis the Pelvis
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I think it's time to kill these motherfuckers.  'Nuff said.  Bitchez.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 07:24 | 5072222 GetZeeGold
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time to kill these motherfuckers. 

 

Go into orbit and nuke the place from space....it's the only way.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 07:20 | 5075458 Davalicious
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If you are planning to hang out at Allen's snack bar better book a table. It seems to be popular.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 13:27 | 5072888 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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These Abrahamic religions ultimately have a lot in common. As the history of Europe during the Dark Ages shows, Christianity and Islam are not nearly as different in terms of their bigotry and penchant for violent oppression as some would have us believe.

Christianity lost its violent streak not out of its own volition, but because secular forces quite literally castrated it and dragged it kicking and screaming into the modern ages during the Renaissance. The Arab world has yet to have a liberating secular moment like that, hence movements such as Hamas, Hezbollah and ISIS are still running as rampant in the Middle-East today as the Spanish Inquisition did in Europe back then.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 00:47 | 5075074 yatikto
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VICE is not a legit news source. I don't know all the back story, but some Ukrainian reporting was diametrically opposite of the facts.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 09:38 | 5072380 ajax
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This can't be real, the kittens are missing. There are no kittens - where are the kittens?

 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 17:26 | 5070875 BraveSirRobin
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Sorry about the rank, but... Fuck "Hearts and Minds." We should never use the military to "win hearts and minds" or for "nation building." Quite he contrary. When we resort to military force, it should be about killing our enemies and "nation destruction." We should realize that the use of force is all about killing and maiming our adversaies so they beg us to quit what we are doing to them. Then it is done. All this insipid double speak from our leaders pollutes our minds... the "War of Poverty," the "War on Drugs," and the very stupid and current Democrat inflamatory idiocy claim of a Republican "War on Women." As a nation we seem to have no idea what war is, so we stager around like a druncken colosus causing varying bits of seeminly haphazard and random destruction, almost like a force of nature rather than a great power.

If you go to war, go all in, because it's all about death and destruction - get a grip on the reality of what you are doing, or stay out completely. The first thing we can do is change the name of the Department of Defense back to the War Department. Next, make war a national endeavor. Shrink the full-time career army, expand the National Guard, and always, always, send overwhelming force. Everyone's family needs to be affected so it has to be worth it to the people of the nation. All in, or all out. 

These Muslims are evil and insane beyond any measure. Any one who makes exuses for them is a fool, or also evil and insane. But if we go to war, let's get it on - all in, then it's death and destruction on a biblical scale. Who cares if they like us if they are all dead or so so afraid of us they piss on themselves every time they even think of us. But let's realize what it is we are doing. The end comes when they beg us for mercy, not when they like us, because they will never like us. It used to be called sucking it up and being a man. It's not fun, or pretty, or even glorious. It sucks hard. I've been there. I've done it, and I pray God I nor anyone I know ever has to do it again. But the question on the table really is if we leave them alone will they pacify, or will they grow and grow and grow to become a greater and intolerable threat. If you believe the latter, then it's better to do it now. It will be much less horrific and painful. If you believe the former, is it worth the risk of being wrong, and at what point do you admit you are wrong?

And for all those who say we helped create all this, fine. Though I could, I will not even argue the point, but just posit that having created the monster, is in not even more our responsibility to destroy it? 

For the record, I do not mind if they all kill and oppress each other. It's what they like to do. But they also like killing us, and that's the problem. Because they are so insane and dangerous, what should we do? I do not have the answers, but if war, make it war with full realization of what it is and what it entails. All in and git-er done, but war is indeed Hell. It's a description, not a euphamism.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 21:49 | 5071555 Parousia
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Very well said!  As it relates to the situation with ISIS: all in; put an end to it quickly and thoroughly.  Anyone who believes this brand of Islam will stop conquering on their own and become less of a threat over time would be wise to study history.  As a primer: http://www.amazon.com/The-Sword-Prophet-History-Theology/dp/1928653111

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 08:12 | 5072297 Truthseeker2
Sun, 08/10/2014 - 15:41 | 5073268 espirit
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Gotcha beat.  I have Biden double barrelled scissors. 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 02:22 | 5072055 FreedomGuy
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One of the best posts and very true. I would add that this is what a formal, Constitutionally mandated declaration of war does. It puts the nation all-in, as you say for a war. It lets loose the Dogs of War and enables a full scale effort. On the political side it makes weasely politicians choose and commit. Then, they cannot say stupid things like, "I was against it before I was for it." or the converse. Politicians, especially the Left love to change sides when it is expedient.

The last thing it does is force the leadership to explain their postion and reasoning to the whole country. It is not too hard after a Pearl Harbor. It would be a lot harder for unconfirmed "weapons of mass destruction" (used by Clinton, Bush and Obama).

I also agree with what you imply that these people do not stop unless they are dead or very sure they will be dead and dead for no purpose. Agree or disagree but the atomic bomb on Japan sent exactly that message. They would be incinerated without any glorious Last Samurai death for no practical purpose. The Japanese who fought to the death most everywhere surrendered inside a week.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 05:05 | 5072143 Duffy
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You're a fucking idiot, with a brain either rotted from watching too much Fox news, or reading too many hasbara handbooks... or both.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 07:35 | 5072243 GetZeeGold
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Pretty sure he got that on MSNBC.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:04 | 5073560 Jumbotron
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Fuck off Duffy.

Sooner or later we're going to kill all your Muzzie lovers right there in the dirt where they belong.

It's not their religion.  It's the gun they draw and the sword they wield.  Their insane religious rantings are just a front.

They're nothing but desert gang bangers.  And they are going to die.

And there isn't a fucking thing you or the other Jew haters on this site can do about it.

 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:09 | 5073583 Jumbotron
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And the judicious use of nuclear weapons on these animals is just what is called for.  Like the Japs....once they know that the power of the Sun can and will be used on them and their families......they will shit themselves in minutes and grovel like the cowardly dogs they are.

They are nothing but neighborhood bullies.  Beat the shit out of them mercilessly, nuke them families to ashes.....and they will give up any notion that Allah is real and wants them to supply Allah with the  blood of the innocents.

And if they resist......kill them all.  The world will not care.  The world will not miss them.  The world is sick of their shit.  The world is just too chicken shit to do what needs to be done with this human filth.

But please....keep it up ISIS.....keep it up Hamas.  Keep it up Hezbo-Lezbo-Allah.  We will continue to isolate you, kill you and kill your wives and your children until you get it throught your thick, fucking animal skulls to grow up and be civilized.

Until then.....suck on that cruise missile bitch.

 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 08:40 | 5072318 22CF45
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Remember Sherman and the march to the sea...that worked.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 09:41 | 5072378 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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You speak as if the USSA government has any legitimacy or ability to start, manage, and finish such an endeavor, when it can't even secure its own borders. I presume a draft is what you mean by "Everyone's family needs to be affected..."

Who determines what my biggest threats are? You? CONgress? Some heeb in new york city? To date, no one has come close. So now they will try to draft my family? SHIT WILL HIT THE FAN.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 12:45 | 5072782 BraveSirRobin
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The United States can secure it's own borders, at least to a much greater extent. It just declines to do so. 

I do not advocate a draft, I advocate a national debate and consensus before we drop bombs on people.

Who determines the the biggest threats? We all do in forming a broad based consensus via debate, or that's the dream. Right now we have a small clique in the government/corporist/financial/media elite who control and enact these decisions without anyone else's input or consideration. This is the problem of "legitimacy" you mentioned earlier, and yes, it is a problem. 

I do not think you and I really disagree. I am saying "Don't bomb people if at all possible." But if you find you must do it, then do it, and admitt what it is and the lenghts you will to go to end the violence. If you cut someone's kid in two with a machine gun and then give the family a bandaid, you have not made any friends. Instead, you have made and multiplied an implaccable enemy. So, if you start down that path, you will have to kill not only the kid, but also his brothers and sister, mom and dad, and all their close relatives and good friends, or they will just come after you and it will never end. This is the problem with "limited response" and "surgical strikes." You have still killed people, but it solves nothing and multiplies your enemies and is therefore pointless and useless and a waste of lives. I am not advocating - far from it. I am just describing what must be done if anyone proceeds down that path. When you descend into Hell, and war is hell on earth, there are no limits. Best not to go there in the first place, but if that is the path you choose, you had better fucking know where are going before you start the journey or the destination is going to be one big, ugly, horriffic shock. 

So, Obama drops a few bpmbs on ISIS? He killed some folks, but ended nothing. He further angered these insane looney toons, and multiplied our enemies - that's what I object too. So if we get involve in this thing, he, and we, had better realize he has to kill them all. Furthmore, I wish he would take no action until he develops a broad national concesus for extreme action. Otherwise, lets stay the fuck out of it. I hope I made myself clear on these points. 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 13:04 | 5072846 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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"We all do in forming a broad based consensus via debate, or that's the dream."

But that is the heart of the matter. When will there be consensus on anything? The former majority apparently wanted diversity and that's what they got. They got diversity of race, diversity of culture, diversity of religion, diversity of morals, diversity of goals, etc. They got so much diversity that a consensus on anything is now impossible. Except in the rare case of 9/11 which may have been planned by some entity, seeing such unravellings, as a vain attempt to create consensus. There is no going back now. There is only more and more diversity fueled by greed, apathy, ineptitude, gridlock, and chaos.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 13:45 | 5072958 BraveSirRobin
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Perhaps, but I still prefer not to give up. BTW, I think the elite powers have foisted "diversity" on us on purpose as a way to divide and conquor us... to play us off one against the other. I do not believe in grand plots or conspiracies, but clearly there are people in the diversity and grievance industry have done this quite purposfully to develop a powerbase. Some have been quite successful. 

Having said that, I still think when an existential threat becomes so manifestly self-evident, the people will respond and rally to a consensus of action. Or at least, I hope so.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 19:44 | 5071235 Kirk2NCC1701
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"The communist Muslim dictator serves up a mean glass of Koolaid!"

I always get a kick out of people who cherry-pick the facts to suit their "emotionally preferred model".  Obama a Muslim, really?  If only it fit the facts... ROFLMAO.

So far, we have seen tons of Muslims and Christians die (Afghanistan, Pakistan, MENA, Ukraine), but hardly any Jews.  How is that?  Why is everybody else fighting and dying around them, and they live in this little Oasis?  Call the "rocket attack" from Hamas (an Israeli-founded org) serious?  Shit, I can do more damage with Chinese firecrackers that I get at an Indian Reservation, than they did!  All their attacks did, was gave the Israelis the pretext to attack Gaza. 

The facts fit far, FAR better a different model:  a model that Obama is a complete an utter sock-puppet of Global Neo/Zio-cons.  He is aiding & abetting the disintegration of powerful states around Israel, and seeing them crumble and regress into Medieval chaos and carnage, from which they won't recover for a long, long time.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 20:59 | 5071423 nmewn
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"Obama a Muslim, really? "

His parents at the time, Soetoro & Dunham claimed him to be a Muslim when he was entered into a madrassa in Indonesia, which makes him Muslim by default.

That is of course, unless they lied, which makes him a son of liars or an apostate.

Which do you prefer? ;-)

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 22:19 | 5071642 Jumbotron
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"His parents at the time, Soetoro & Dunham claimed him to be a Muslim when he was entered into a madrassa in Indonesia, which makes him Muslim by default.

That is of course, unless they lied, which makes him a son of liars or an apostate."

 

It's situational, of course.

When he is here in the States.....he goes to Jeremiah Wright's church.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright

When he is in the presence of Muslims....well....he knows the score.

http://steelturman.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451bab869e20115700ffd59970b-pi

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 22:23 | 5071657 nmewn
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So we can conclude he is a liar, having been raised by liars.

Sounds like the imperfect candidate "we've all been waiting for!" ;-)

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 07:38 | 5072244 GetZeeGold
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Thank goodness he was throughly vetted by the media.

 

Oh wait.....that didn't happen.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 14:24 | 5073064 Herd Redirectio...
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God, the people that fall for the Kenya and Muslim angle... Still?

After all these years?

His poppa was Frank Marshall Davis, not Obama Sr.  That fact getting out would clearly have derailed his political career before it began, and you can tell Obama was groomed FOR A LONG TIME, by his grandparents and momma. 

Please, people, Google is your friend.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 14:18 | 5073046 jwoop66
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I forced myself to read his book, "dreams of my father".  Well, i got halfway through... regardless, lying; or the desire to lie is a theme barry discusses a number of times in his book. 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:12 | 5073593 Jumbotron
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nmewn.....we have become a nation of liars and sheep who believe lies everyday.  It's no great surprise that we have seen that reflected in the choice of our leaders.

"Garbage in......garbage out"

George Carlin

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 03:19 | 5072099 GuyJeans
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He might not be considered an apostate since it is fine to lie about your faith in Islam, since taqiyya allows one to lie if one needs to hide his faith or guard themselves. 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 05:07 | 5072145 Duffy
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Nonsense and you know it.  Obama, like most intelligent people, is likely an atheist or agnostic.  Claims his parents made about him as a child in Indonesia to get into a school are no more relevant to his beliefs than Guy Fawkes was to the idiotic icon you employ.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 09:13 | 5072354 nmewn
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"Obama, like most intelligent people..."

Well Scotty, most "intelligent people" know there are 50 states (not 57) with Hawaii being the last one admitted in and the place of his supposed birth, you'd think that would be seared into his memory. 

But on the issue of his "intelligence", wasn't he some sort of constitutional law scholar/professor? So, if he is as intelligent as you say, he would know he is breaking the law by iindiscriminately changing and/or refusing to follow it.

Making him lawless, that is, a criminal. Its a conscious decision.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 16:26 | 5073417 BigJim
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Obama's no more a Muslim than Bush was a Christian, or Blair was a Catholic.

These people are sociopathic narcissists.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 20:02 | 5074321 nmewn
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"Obama's no more a Muslim..."

And you know this how?

While I'll agree he is a sociopathic narcissist, that alone doesn't preclude him from being a Muslim no more than it did Tamerlane who slaughtered 5% of the worlds population. And there is that small thing common to the Muslim faith called taqiyya and I'm pretty sure Bush or Blair were never indoctrinated in a madrasa ;-)

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:14 | 5073604 Jumbotron
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He's a narcissist.  The only thing he believes in is himself.

But I do believe he respects Islam and his Islamic heritage.  But like most liberals....his personal theology is a cafeteria affair.  A little of this....a little of that.....and a whole lot of......me, myself and I.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 08:29 | 5072308 Spumoni
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Morning, NM. All this ismittyology. I'm willing to bet that what/whoever created the universe cares not a whit whether a man be Muslim, Baptist or Buddhist. If that Being cares at all, it would likely be whether men can see the universal laws given in nearly all earthly religions - generally centered around the Golden Rule. (and I ain't talking about the one about who has the gold.)

At the end of the day, history is full of charlatans who hijacked religion for political purposes. Muslims, like Christians and Jews, have a long history of justifying rape, pillage and genocide with their religious beliefs. Come to it, so does every other tribe. That bloodthirst for power is genetic, not righteous (whatever THAT is). As usual, we who are called upon to question authority are distracted by semantics, and utterly miss the point, and so continue to fail to create peace from one generation to the next. With the toys we have now, it likely won't be long before the human world resembles a pile of ash. The Cosmos will continue on, whether we are here or not.

And as for those who murder others for "insulting" their gods, well fuck off to the lot of you. If you think that your god created the universe, then it stands to reason that he/she has a sense of humor. If your god can't handle a cartoon mocking your own behavior in his/her name, then he/she ain't much of a god. And anyway, who made us? Obviously someone with a sense of humor.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 09:55 | 5072401 nmewn
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Greetings Spumoni,

"As usual, we who are called upon to question authority are distracted by semantics, and utterly miss the point, and so continue to fail to create peace from one generation to the next."

Which is what many of us are trying to point out.

ISIS(L)...IS...what-the-fuck-ever they call themselves today, are trying to create a power structure, an authority based on subservience to its religion. And the tenets of "that authority" and the means being used to exert/force/compel it on others are firmly set against what normal people would call acceptable.

Convert or pay or die is the definition of evil because you have no real choice, your choices are being made for you to choose from and your current choice is unacceptable to ISIS.

That is to say, the unapologetic, non-conformist atheist or agnostic will die in the very same trench as the Christian or Jew or Yazidis, they will not be tolerated.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 13:45 | 5070199 Uncle Remus
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Meh.
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats.  H. L. Mencken
Sat, 08/09/2014 - 14:07 | 5070274 Totentänzerlied
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Revealed: The Shocking Connection Between H.L. Mencken and ISIS.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 19:37 | 5071212 Tarshatha
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The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.

H. L. Mencken


Sat, 08/09/2014 - 19:58 | 5071263 nmewn
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+1

Mencken followed many others in this line of thought, if you'll permit me to break the chain of Mencken quotes, there's a couple I'd like to share:

"Society in every state is a blessing, but government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one. The trade of governing has always been monopolized by the most ignorant and the most rascally individuals of mankind."

And...

"There is a natural aptness in man, and more so in society, because it embraces a greater variety of abilities and resources, to accommodate itself to whatever situation it is in. The instant formal government is abolished, society begins to act. A general association takes place, and common interest produces common security." - Some old dead white guy.

Thomas Paine ;-)

http://mises.org/daily/2897

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 19:41 | 5071222 Tarshatha
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On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.

H. L. Mencken

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 21:16 | 5071460 BraveSirRobin
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That day has come.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 22:21 | 5071650 Jumbotron
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It came with George W.  It just continues with a different skin color.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 16:27 | 5070695 Meatballs
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I thought the guy on the right in the first thumbnail was Johnny Depp, no?

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 10:48 | 5069630 0b1knob
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Obama is using "humanitarian" bombing raids.   Instead of raining hot shrapnel death on people these are liberal Democratic bombs which gently scatter little plastic replicas of Obama's Nobel Peace Prize, each one printed with clever hashtags which will humiliate and demoralize ISIS. 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 14:15 | 5070306 eclectic syncretist
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You mean hastags like Islamic Sackheads Incinerated in the Sand?

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 15:37 | 5070545 New_Meat
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Ob1:

"Obama is using "humanitarian" bombing raids."

Yep, the kinder, gentler Air Force.  First, we drop food and water to feed you, ONLY THEN do we kill you.

- Ned

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 19:33 | 5071196 espirit
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F-18's aren't Air Force.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 18:56 | 5071097 WhackoWarner
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One despot's "humanitarian" is another's "aggressive invasion".  All depends who who owns the media.

That said.  I have spent my life watching the USA degrade itself. Like watching a junkie, except the junkie is less able to self-control. USA has always had the option to act decently. 

I am so flabbergasted by the US tourists who visit my area.  The unending nonsense they believe as fact. And the ingrained belief of "exceptionalism".  It is akin to inviting someone into your home for dinner and watching them trash your home, all the while telling you that you are a poor hostess,

Had enough.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 22:04 | 5071598 Greenskeeper_Carl
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you always get a few downvotes, no matter what you say. Either the thought police or people you have pissed off. cowards, either way

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 12:47 | 5070023 q99x2
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Feinstein Says ISIS Will Attack in “Our Backyard”, Meanwhile she advocates open borders and repeal of 2nd Amendment.

Ya someone offered her money to commit suicide and let the jihadists come to her house to kill her. She couldn't resist the money.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 19:08 | 5071138 Carpenter1
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Fark, watching that and knowing Obummer is one of them, I'm not so sure their flag won't be flying over the white house. 

Ot course, the oligarchs will be long gone by then,  living in their paradise getaway. 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 12:54 | 5070040 TahoeBilly2012
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Feinstein in "my backyard" is a major problem.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 13:57 | 5070240 Jack Burton
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Good catch TRUTHSEEKER! I find all political powers in Washington DC are Open Borders. Why? Liberals want all the worlds poor here as voters. The Conservatives seek unlimited cheap labor for corporate and even small business America. When both sides of the fake democracy favor the same policies, then Deomocracy is FAKE. And ours is fucking FAKE!

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 15:08 | 5070467 Jumbotron
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Welcome out of the Matrix Jack.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 20:00 | 5071270 Kirk2NCC1701
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Correct, Jacki boy.  That's why... If the facts don't fit the model, we need to change the model.  Hence... NEO-FEUDALISM is the only thing that makes sense an fits the facts.

 

Hastings 1066 --> Feudalism 1.0

We now have Feudalism 2.0.beta.  Beta testing of 2.0 is going on all around us.  Feudalism 2.0 to be released after The Big Reset.

Note that in Feudalism you have TWO powerful forces, working in tandem and controlling the sheeple:  The Aristocratic Elite and the Clerical Elite.  There is no significant Middle Class.  So it is now also:  The Middle Class being wiped out, and the resurgence of extremism and fundamentalism everywhere.  Sheeple being kept in the dark, fed bullshit and fear, being numbed, being dumbed down.  Just like the Middle Ages.

 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 06:29 | 5072181 onthesquare
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If the facts don't fit the model, we need to change the model

Kirk.  There are people out there who believe that if the model does not work with the facts then we need to change the facts.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 20:53 | 5071404 Kirk2NCC1701
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Correct, Jacki boy.  That's why... If the facts don't fit the model, we need to change the model.  Hence... NEO-FEUDALISM is the only thing that makes sense an fits the facts.

[1] Hastings 1066 --> Feudalism 1.0

[2] We now have Feudalism 2.0.beta.  Beta testing of 2.0 is going on all around us.  Feudalism 2.0 to be released after The Big Reset.

Note that in Feudalism you have TWO powerful forces, working in tandem and controlling the sheeple:  The Aristocratic/Secular Elite and the Clerical/Ideological Elite.  There is no significant Middle Class.  So it is now also:  The Middle Class is being wiped out systematically, and there is a resurgence of extremism and fundamentalism everywhere.  People are treated like Sheeple: being kept in the dark with ignorance, distractions, circus & bread, they are fed bullshit, bombarded with constant fear & uncertainty, they are being numbed, and being dumbed-down.  Just like the Middle Ages.

NWO = OWO = Manifest Destiny gone Global

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 09:05 | 5072349 drendebe10
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"There ain't nuthin uglier than an old white woman."  Fred Sanford

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 10:31 | 5069573 WTFUD
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@MF Not Yet but GOLDMAN have promised to assist ONCE . . . . .

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 13:59 | 5070250 Jack Burton
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ISIS grew up out of America's anti Assad crusade. The NATO nation Turkey hosted numerous border camps for Al-Qaeda, ISIS and thousands of European Muslims to train to fight Assad. YET, the Jihadists had higher aims, willing to take American money and arms, and waiting to use it for the radical Jihad against the world. Mr. Putin made speech after speech telling the NATO and Obama to stop funding Jihad against Syria for just the reasons we witness today. YET, Mr. Putin is attacked by America as the real enemy. Enemy of what? Neocon fantasy world domination?

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 15:35 | 5070539 newdoobie
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Dang, Obama has turned Neocon, hard to believe. I kinda think the MIC and bankers are pulling those strings, and they love terms like neocon, liberal, and extremist.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 11:08 | 5069694 disabledvet
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Perrty much. "Just make sure the Americans win" and everything will be okay.

I thought the whole "we're repairing the dam" was a nice touch too.

A Genocide? I mean seriously..."we're doin this for Israel too"?

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 16:04 | 5070627 tony wilson
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isis dontes need no central banks

lord edwyn rothschild pays them pocket money via george soros ngo

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 16:28 | 5070701 Jumbotron
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Don't you have a mother to fuck?  I mean, damn man....time to put down the XBox controller, go upstairs and do your manly duty.  You know, since your dad Amhed died during a botched suicide mission.

Come on now.  You can even say a couple of Hail Allahs while your pounding that sweet mother ass.  Go on....be a good boy now.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 17:52 | 5070934 where_is the_nuke
Sun, 08/10/2014 - 07:49 | 5072264 GetZeeGold
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Perfect.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 21:11 | 5085065 Seize Mars
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where_is_the_nuke

Wow. This shit just gets deeper all the time.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 19:27 | 5071177 adeptish
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Clearly projecting, aren't you Jumbo...???

Come back when you have sorted out your Mommy issues.

:-)

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 20:53 | 5071406 paddyirishman
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Don't you have a  JEWISH mother to fuck?  I mean, damn man....time to put down the XBox controller, go upstairs and do your manly duty.  You know, since your dad Mayer died during a mission BOMBING INNOCENT PALESTINIANS LIKE A COWARD.

Come on now.  You can even say a couple of OH VEYS while your pounding that sweet mother ass.  Go on....be a good boy now

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 22:23 | 5071654 Jumbotron
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Don't you have a potato to fuck, mick ?

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 23:30 | 5071832 where_is the_nuke
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Shut up Kike. Cut your own dick and suck the blood.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 07:57 | 5072273 GetZeeGold
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It's nice to see everyone getting along so well.

 

If you're not sure how you got here....this is Fightclub.

 

Come on in!

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 21:07 | 5071440 man of Wool
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If they rob enough banks, play their cards right they might be invited to join "BRICS". Become BRICSISIS.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 07:35 | 5072242 jellicoe
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no! but they have t-shirts

 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 11:57 | 5069873 logicalman
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If you see a face, you know the person behind it doesn't really make decisions, just delivers those given to him/her by the hand stuck up their arse.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 22:27 | 5071631 Plato's Law
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Yes, i see the light, you are correct.

Next I'm sure you'll explain how Obola and Holder did not personally totally dismantle DOMA, right?  Ditto Obola's 2012 executive order declaring no deportation ever for any illegal alien non-adult.  Obola absolutely positively did not personally cause 60k children to risk life and limb walking 1k miles north over the border, brutal death by starvation/thirst, raped by "Coyotes," etc, etc, etc.  Yes, I see now.  He did not cause any thing bad in the world to ever happen.  Obola did not personally sign death warrant for un-charged US citizen Anwar Al-awlaki and his US citizen 16 year old son, either, right?  (Both droned with out being charged of any crime, a felonious murder crime.)  Oh, and Obola does not commit felonious crime every time with all diplomatic relations with Israel?  Even though all signed treaties equal the US Constitution, and we signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which bars all signatory nations from having relations with all non-signotory nuclear armed nations, which defines Israel.    

You are a paid government troll that we know for absolutely sure exist, a "useful idiot," or just an idiot. 

 

/sarc off

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 07:55 | 5072277 GetZeeGold
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You are a paid government troll

 

How do you get a gig like that?

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 09:58 | 5069526 WonderDawg
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You are correct in that the president doesn't make the big decisions. He takes orders mostly, rather than giving them. But he is the front man, and that makes him a liar and a fraud. Just like Bush was. And Clinton, and on back. I don't blame Obama for anything other than being a fraud and a puppet, a salesman for the real power.

 

P.S. Aren't you the guy that thought the gov't owned the Fed? Yeah, what I thought. Pipe down until you have a little more knowledge, then you might save yourself some embarassment for posting such naive, uninformed drivel.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 10:06 | 5069545 Cathartes Aura
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simultaneous typing there Dawg - good to know others are out there, thinking.

 

nice to see you around, hope all goes well.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 10:11 | 5069552 WonderDawg
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Good to see you, too, CA. I don't stay logged in here, but I lurk. When I'm logged in, seems to bog down my 'puter. Weird, huh? I just log in when I feel compelled to comment lol

All goes well here on the coast, I hope the same goes for you.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 10:22 | 5069570 therover
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Dawg,

 

Not sure if this would help with the issue on being bogged down, but I found the site works much better using Google Chrome as the browser, as opposed to Internet Explorer.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 13:48 | 5070204 WonderDawg
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Thanks for the tip, Therover.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 16:13 | 5070655 logicalman
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Smoke signals work better than IE, ffs.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 23:31 | 5071836 Dublinmick
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That is because google is the mossad, you don't many redirects when they are handling things first hand.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 10:45 | 5069627 Cathartes Aura
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yeah, I'm more a lurker than a poster, but sometimes I get pulled in by the vortex too.

soundtrack for browsin'     stay well.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 11:46 | 5069829 Grande Tetons
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That is really cool music. I never heard of this artist. Thanks. Lurking pays! Saved the song to favorites. 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 10:29 | 5069588 TheReplacement
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Taking orders and carrying them out requires a decision each time.  The President is elected to serve us.  When they repeated choose not to it is treason.  Treason does not happen by mistake.  It happens when the individual makes a conscious decision.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 12:34 | 5069983 Andre
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Actually, it's worse. As Commander in Chief, and according to in re Yamashita (US Supreme Court, 1946), he is directly and personally responsible for patterns of behavior of subordinate. You destabilize the ME, it's your fault. Destabilize Ukraine, it's your fault.

There is a consistent pattern of behavior resulting in at least indirect support (military sales/arms transfers) for war crimes (Israel/Gaza, Syria, and Gitmo for direct involvement in was crimes), and a clear pattern of aggressive and malicious deception (Assad and the chemical weapons for BO/Biden, Saddam's "WMD" for GW/Darth Cheney)

The list of things this individual and his administration have done or aided and abetted goes WAY beyond not solving problems.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 10:00 | 5069531 MickV
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You are supporting an illegal domestic enemy of America. Byextension you and all that support the Usurper are traitors.

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
? Samuel Adams

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 10:26 | 5069582 TheReplacement
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Most ZHers are anti-status quo establishment whether it is red or blue.  We do not expect magic bullet solutions from Presidents.  We want a President who will stop causing the problems in the first place.  None of the Presidents you have mentioned fit that description.

As for bombing ISIS, most of us would support it in the case of saving the civilians on the mountain.  Most of us would probably support arming the Kurds properly so they can defend themselves (provided the deal includes them paying us back once they have won). 

Most of us do not support the CIA training and arming jihadi fighters in any country who then turn and go to ISIS.  That is just what Obama has done.  If you read ZH and still cannot see his fingerprints all over this manufactured crisis you are willingly ignorant or you do not actually read.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 10:53 | 5069648 McCormick No. 9
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I support staying the fuck out of foriegn wars and entangling alliances.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 14:29 | 5070349 Totentänzerlied
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"We want a President who will stop causing the problems in the first place."

You might just as well wish for water that isn't wet.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 00:03 | 5075001 cape_royds
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Bombing? Western powers have done a lot of bombing. None of it has resulted in good. Foreign powers have already done too much in Iraq. The world has seen enough US handiwork in the last few years. Enough already.

Here's a 12 letter foreign policy for the Western world:

GTFO
STFU
MYOB

As for the Kurds, they have made their own bed. They didn't want to be part of a unified Iraq. They want their own country. That's great, no problem, cool. It's theirs. Let them defend it. I've heard a lot of Peshmerga boasting in recent years. Now we'll get to see how they measure up.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 10:39 | 5069614 drexlraw
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facts don't bother you,either,apparently..

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 11:01 | 5069628 SickDollar
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@Arius We got a sheelpe that joined ZH

 

I bet you , you believe everything the MSM tells you

 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 11:37 | 5069788 FilthyHabits
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Obama is a joke. He is a mupet; A smooth talking pseudo looking black man who is a complete fucking liar that can't stop himself.

The president of the United States has more influence, more abilities to help the American people, and the ability to be a leader. This man is just a whore.

He needs to grow some balls, tell the fed to fuck themselves, and declassify everything the CIA has ever done.

Until then we will not have a place that is free from any tyrant black, white, yellow, green. We are humans not puppets.

Arm Yourselves.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 16:43 | 5070733 Tall Tom
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He needs to grow some balls, tell the fed to fuck themselves, and declassify everything the CIA has ever done.

 

He would be assassinated quicker than you can spell "Dealey Plaza" (Not to write that it would necessarily be a bad thing at this point...) 

 

The last one that tried that was Jack. He did not live long enough to see it through.

 

The very best action that Obama can take is to offer his letter of resignation. All of Congress needs to follow the leader in that action and offer theirs.

 

Do not hold your breath as it will not happen.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 23:10 | 5071776 FreedomGuy
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Whlie Obama is completely lost in international issues I think he is not lost domestically. He will use all government agencies to establish a supreme executive in the new USSA. He means to have some sort of directive central government. Therefore, as long as a secretive CIA, NSA, not to mention IRS, ICE, TSA, DEA and a hundred others works to his purposes...they will be allowed to keep their secrets.

To the agency head: If you like your secrets, you can keep your secrets. Just do what I want you to do and all will be well.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 12:15 | 5069919 stuman
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Seems that all you do is listen to the press releases and sound bites and Obama's speeches and believe what you hear from all.

They're nothing but lies, for the most part...mixed in with a few nuggets and grains of truth (if even that sometimes)

You NEED to start looking at what he and his crony administration actually does. In the form of actions, policies and regulations.

Only then will you "see" that the truth, what he is actually doing (and when) is much different than what he says and tries to sell to the American people.

 

 

 

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 14:52 | 5070420 felix2
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I have noticed ZHers are anti Obama,

Have you noticed Zero Hedge is anti Obama?

Could there be a connection?

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 21:57 | 5071577 Jerk_Store
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good thing that you held on to your opinion

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 22:12 | 5071622 buyingsterling
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We don't expect President Pimp to 'solve' anything. We expect that someone else to whom we have surrendered some of our power (like the congress, or the courts) will reign in this hateful piece of fecal matter. All of his actions result in one of two (or both) outcomes:

1. Productive Americans - those who actually produce a service or product that consumers willlingly purchase - suffer.

2. Radical islamists benefit.

Any 'exception' to these rules is the self-justifying psychobabble of leftist fluffers or fellow travelers. The truth is clear to the same.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 23:05 | 5071766 FreedomGuy
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Well, Arius, I actually like a dissenting reasonably presented alternate opinion, especially one not loaded with puerile insults. I mostly disagree with your assessment but here is the flip side you might agree with me on.

What I will posit is that sometimes there are no good choices. There is a danger in thinking that there is some magical path to the exact outcomes we would like and everyone lives happily ever after. The danger is that we try to control things we cannot control. We begin to try to own things we cannot own and pretend we can accurately predict the outcomes. This is the beginning of the law of unintended consequences. It also begins to work to what the perennial conspiracy theorists believe that all seen forces have a well orchestrated unseen force behind them, and they, the conspiracy theorist knows exactly what and who they are. They don't but it is actually the same mindset.

I will not blame the current situation on Obama even though I despise him economically and politically and even personally. He is not responsible for the rise of this militant murderous Islamic cult that grips much of the Middle East. I will also not blame George Bush. What I blame both for is thinking they can predict outcomes and they are responsible for any responses. I blame Bush and company for believing we could establish some Western style democracy short of being there for a hundred years or more. I blame him for thinking there is some higher purpose to keeping Iraq unified. I think Forrest Gump Biden actually got it right suggesting we divide the country along ethnic lines...exactly what it is doing on it's own today.

I blame Obama for not having any visible policy that values American interests anywhere in the Middle East. He seems to favor revolution, i.e., Libya, Egypt, Syria, etc. over any practical considerations of how that might go, as we see. The reason there were dead in Libya is because we were funneling the weapons to other radicals in the Mideast. ISIS is armed because he thought they were the good guys versus Assad. Assad now looks like a saint compared to these guys. I bet even the Israeli's with a long nasty history with Assad Jr. and Sr. would prefer him. At least he was somewhat rational.

I think the Middle East is simply a breeding ground for these types. I personally do not care who wins in Syria. I now like the military dictator in Egypt better than the Brotherhood but I would not fund either one. I think all our interventions should be limited to things that are possible and in the pragmatic world as it is, not as we would like. Kurds seem like decent people, most the rest suck eggs. If ISIS does a holocaust style massacre of Christians, Yazidi or others then we along with others can decide on an intervention, but be real about how it might go and what we really need to do, which is probably boots on the ground...again. Let's try this thing called a "Declaration of War" if we do. It is actually in the U.S. Constitution...one of the parts we routinely ignore.

Short of clairvoyance, no one can really tell how any particular intervention or nonintervention might go in the Middle East.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 01:32 | 5072011 acetinker
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You'd better hold on to your asshole.  It's yours, and far less smelly than your opinion.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 06:23 | 5072177 onthesquare
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First among equals

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 07:11 | 5072209 Joenobody12
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Are you gay like the idiot in the black house ?

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 13:28 | 5072899 Lord Koos
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Bush wasn't that bad?  We wouldn't even be in Iraq if not for Bush.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 09:35 | 5069481 VATICANT
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Honestly either you're a paid troll, or you're just a ridiculously ignorant idiot

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 11:16 | 5069719 angel_of_joy
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More chances for the second...

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 16:16 | 5070668 logicalman
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Could be both!

You'd have to be the latter to allow yourself to become the former.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 09:37 | 5069483 Arius
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Sat, 08/09/2014 - 21:01 | 5071427 Kirk2NCC1701
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Guys, I find it more useful to simply gloss over spot by inflammatory Trolls, as they only waste time & energy.  Reminds me of an old saying:

"Arguing with a fool is a bit like mud-wrestling with a pig.  After a while you realize that the pig is enjoying himself."

Mud-wrestle at you discretion.  I'm staying out of the pen.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 09:36 | 5069485 Arius
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I have noticed ZHers are anti Obama, however, I will hold on to my opinion.

I have noticed that most of the hard anti Obamas, are of the types that expect the President to solve everything by some magic bullet.

They do not realize the President at the end doesnt have that much power, there are many people, players who direct things towards a certain direction and the President it is just another player.  Yes, it is an important job, but so are many other jobs in Wall Street etc....

yes, it might make you feel good to blame someone and the President it is an easy target however, if you stop and think for a moment he has been doing all he can and he is facing quite a lot...

btw, down arrows do not bother me .. whatever....

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 09:55 | 5069518 nmewn
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There is a vast difference in "suspecting" what the Patriot Act could become and knowing what it has become and doing nothing about it.

Same vast difference between 10 trillion and 17 trillion, I could go on.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 11:13 | 5069711 disabledvet
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If only this was a bi partisan sentiment...though clearly his is.

Just come out an burn the flag already...is there anyone in DC that doesn't hate America and every American ever born? I mean they're all Nixon clones...

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 08:01 | 5072286 GetZeeGold
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When blaming Bush no longer works....it's only natural to go to Nixon.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 13:52 | 5070221 Uncle Remus
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Like a known unknown?

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 20:05 | 5071282 nmewn
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A shoulda known better than to trust them with it.

Now we know ;-)

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 23:33 | 5071839 Uncle Remus
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The bastards...

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 09:55 | 5069519 boattrash
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Arius, it seems you and I do share something in common, down arrows don't bother me either.

They remind me (1) that we don't all look at things the same way.

(2) All of my hard earned resources, spent on guns & ammo were well spent, as they may one day be needed due to people blindly supporting people or their orders.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 10:35 | 5069600 TheReplacement
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You know what, your magic bullet accusation is bullshit.  You are using a strawman argument.  People here do not expect magic bullet solutions from government, quite the opposite.  We will not be beaten down by your rhetorical lies.

Most people on ZH know that this device is cunningly and commonly applied by agents of the left to fool the sheep.  We are not sheep.  Go away.

Sat, 08/09/2014 - 10:42 | 5069621 ultramaroon
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Arius, I don't think most expect the president to "solve everything". I myself don't want him to attempt to "solve" anything. The central government should be far weaker than it is. You write like a sixteen-year-old female Democrat, so I suspect that you don't even realize that it was never intended that the central government should have anywhere near the amount of power that it has grabbed for itself.

Why don't you give yourself a course in American government? Something that is composed of something other than the cynical, disrespectful attempts at brain-washing you've been subjected to in your public school?

Try reading the founding fathers' own words, taken from newspapers, private letters, and other documents. Get a copy of Dr. Brion McClanahan's book "The Founding Fathers' Guide to the Constitution".

In The Founding Fathers’ Guide to the Constitution, you’ll discover:

  • How the Constitution was designed to protect rather than undermine the rights of States
  • Why Congress, not the executive branch, was meant to be the dominant branch of government—and why the Founders would have argued for impeaching many modern presidents for violating the Constitution
  • Why an expansive central government was the Founders’ biggest fear, and how the Constitution—and the Bill of Rights— was designed to guard against it
  • Why the founding generation would regard most of the current federal budget—including “stimulus packages”—as unconstitutional
  • Why the Founding Fathers would oppose attempts to “reform” the Electoral College
  • Why the Founding Fathers would be horrified at the enormous authority of the Supreme Court, and why the Founders intended Congress, not the Court, to interpret federal law

 

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