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Common Sense Likely To Silence The Drums Of War

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Submitted by Ben Tanosborn

Common Sense Likely to Silence the Drums of War

Empire-hawks have had the upper hand in American politics for several decades and, given the shifting economic power taking place in the world, they are now seemingly suicidal, ready to lead us into nuclear holocaust.  Just like Jim Jones did with his followers 36 years ago in Jonestown.  This time, however, the kool-aid is being dispensed by the US mainstream media laced with a different poison: raw propaganda against the Russian Federation and its malefic leader, Vladimir Putin.

The White House, acceding to the war-mongering influence that radiates from the Pentagon, the State Department and Congress, is performing a poorly-written morality play for the world to see, absurdly levying sanctions which will likely affect the leviers (US and EU) as much or more than the intended sanctioned, as Russia answers with quid pro quo economic counter-sanctions. 

Washington may wish to be seen as a white knight defending Ukraine’s territorial integrity; a farce, when in the last year and a half the US has been instrumental in destabilizing that nation with regime change intended to bring the former Soviet republic to the bosom of the West.  The strategy appears motivated not so much by magnanimity, to afford a greater future for a nation which is a true economic basket-case, but to close in to the borders of Russia, economically and militarily.

In a nutshell: keep the Russian bear caged and Putin’s dream of a strong and economically integrated Eurasia unrealized!

Common economic sense, however, is likely to silence the loud drums of war.

Angus Maddison, the late British macro-economist who studied/researched the history of World GDP, claimed that India and China were the biggest economies in the world for almost all of the past 2000 years.  Then the industrial revolution, colonialism and the information revolution entered and changed the mix.

I am well aware of the danger in extrapolating data compiled by the World Bank for a period extending all of a decade, but my curiosity in economics and statistics has won the day.  After some minor subjective geo-political considerations which I anticipate might take place in the next 5 to 10 years, I see the future composition of the World GDP by 2024 as 12 nations claiming 82 percent of the pie and the rest of the world combined accounting for the other 18 percent.  The dozen major economies, with their respective rounded-off share (to the nearest half percent), would line up in this decreasing order: China, 20%; US, 15%; Russia and Brazil, each 7.5%; Japan, 6%; Germany and India, each 5%; Australia and France, each 3.5%; and Canada, Italy and Indonesia, each 3%.  The United Kingdom is likely to submerge into oblivion, no matter how the Scots decide to vote, its two of-age daughters, Australia and Canada, surpassing the mother country’s GDP… in the case of Australia by as much as 25 percent.

Tempted to play with projected GDP figures, for after all it is a nation’s aggregate output that counts – and not the touted per capita figures, one might come up with an Iberian-American economic super-power (a confederation of Spanish- and Portuguese-speaking nations in both the Iberian Peninsula and the Americas) that overall would be second only to China, with approximately 18 percent of the pie.

And, of course, we could also create in the same fashion a Eurasian economic block that would add Turkey, Ukraine and a few other former Soviet republics to the Russian Federation that would make geopolitical sense and combine to over 10 percent of the World GDP.  Those who cannot see Turkey in league with Russia should be reminded of the great Turkish reformer, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, who if alive today might find favor in allying with Putin rather than begging second rate treatment if joining the European Union, while also continuing as a member of an aggressive US-lackey NATO.  An unlikely event, I know… yet, who would have said a century ago that such great statesman and secularist, Atatürk, would come out of Salonika to remake the soul of the Ottoman Empire?

Although the US seems intent in playing the drums of war, perhaps realizing that its economic power is slowly headed for oblivion, to join the likes of Japan and the UK, American firms waving international flags don’t have the appetite for war that neocon elitists in the State Department or star-studded bellicosarians in the halls of the Pentagon have.  Not at all!  And here is where the feared industrial-military complex hopefully falls apart as globalist firms give their overall support to peace as a preferred alternative to the specter of a nuclear holocaust.  Russia doesn’t want any military confrontation, nor does China, nor do American and European corporate entities that see no future in suicide.

Americans need not drink the kool-aid offered by John McCain and his ilk in the Pentagon, Congress or the State Department; nor should they listen to the sad sack windmill-mouthpiece they have enlisted in the White House: Barack Obama.

 

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Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:21 | 5073614 q99x2
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Ya we won. Back to work bitchez.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:32 | 5073663 uno
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when you say back to work you do mean sit on your ass and get your .gov handouts.  That's the American way.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:25 | 5074160 Rootin' for Putin
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If you cut every corner, you'll have more time for play!

Its the American Way! -Shary Bobbins
Sun, 08/10/2014 - 23:21 | 5074917 Keyser
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"Common Sense likely to silence the drums of war"

Common sense is no longer that common, we're all screwed... 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:25 | 5074162 Duffminster
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They know this.  Don't be surprised if they don't have another False Flag planned.  They figure if they could pull off 9/11, maybe a new one based on ISIS will be just as easy.   http://youtu.be/O1GCeuSr3Mk?t=13m25s

Some even believe ISIS is headed by some wester intelligence setting up just such conditions.  I doubt it but it would not surprise me in the least

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 22:02 | 5074703 Paveway IV
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Planned? Fake ISIS IS the false flag. It just went south on them when ISIS discovered how profitable the oil business actually was. 

Up until then, Iraq was going exactly as planned. The Sunni ethnic-cleansing temp, Maliki, has done his job. Israel and the U.S. have no further need for him, so he's history. His replacement (as forseen by CNN and dual-citizen U.S. congressmen) will be an Israeli-friendly Kurd. Either the current president, Jalal Talabani (Kurdish) or some other hand-picked U.S./Israeli Kurdish stooge. Now, what are the chances of that in a country that's 85% non-Kurds?

I'm not anti-Kurdish. In fact, I'm very much in favor of a Kurdish state, as long as it doesn't screw over non-Kurds like the Turkmen, Yazidis, etc. The Kurdish people are salt-of-the-earth, but that's seen far more in Western (Syrian) Kurdistan. Their militias are made up of their neighbors - all races and religions. They fight for their farms and homes, not for more land. It's the Syrian Kurds peshmerga and not Iraqi Kurds peshmerga that are fighting their way into the mountains to rescue the Yazidis and help them get to safety in Syrian Kurdistan. Where's the Iraqi peshmerga? Protecting the leaders in Erbil, of course.

In fact, Massoud Barzani - current leader of the semi-autonomous Iraqi Kurdistan - even objected to the Syrian Kurds delcaring autonomy from Syria earlier this year. You see, some Kurds are just more equal than others. 

Zionophobic? You decide:

Ethnic Kurds were less than 10% of Iraq's population before the Syrian war. They're now maybe 12% counting Syrian refugees. Yazidis, Shabaks, Turkmen and Assyrians are not Kurds. So ever since Israel and the U.S. have been nosing around Kurdish politics (four decades at least), the boundaries of Iraqi Kurdistan kept increasing - usually to include non-Kurdish populations or 'undiscoverd', unpopulated oil-bearing lands. Today, the disputed borders of Iraqi Kurdistan now cover about 17% of Iraq, even though the ethnic Kurdish people readily admit far less than 10% was historically settled by Kurds. Western MSM keeps up the land-grabbing narrative by repeating "...about a fifth of Iraq..." is Kurdish. The current Kurdish-claimed land holds about 33% of Iraqi's known oil reserves. Can you see Israel's parasitic influence here?

20% of Iran's current parliment represent Kurdish parties. Those members are mostly bought and paid for by Israeli or big oil interests. Jalal Talabani, Iraq's 80-year-old  president, is Kurdish. Now can you see Israel's influence? How does just over 10% of Iraqi's population manage to claim a disproportionate share of the country's natural resources, land and government?

Israel wins either way: the Iraqi government is their bitch, and/or an independent Iraqi Kurdistan is their bitch. Maliki was the Sunni exterminator and his services are no longer needed. Israel wants the Northern Iraq's oil and it's time for the corrupt, paid-off Iraqi Kurdish politicians to deliver. If ISIS has gone off-script after that same oil, then Israel will demand thier American dual-citizen congressional bitches send over some fresh meat to clean things up.

Why is everyone on earth trying to prevent Israel from getting what's rightfully theirs: Iraq's oil? I think I read that God gave it to them in the New York Times. 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 23:05 | 5074879 acetinker
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Dayum, Paveway!  Can't think of another time it's been summed up so clearly.  There's another layer, which your words betray.  The debt-money system needs the energy of the middle east to survive.  It has been a clusterfuck from day one.

It will continue to be a clusterfuck until and unless all nations abolish their central banks.  This fkn 'growth meme' is gettin' tired.  I think we'd do just fine with each other working to support each other.  You disagree?

I didn't think you would, just askin'.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 23:09 | 5074880 acetinker
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fkn dupes are starting piss me off.  u don't wanna piss me off!

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 23:05 | 5074816 acetinker
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If by Western Intelligence (which is an oxymoron of the highest order), you mean Mossad, then yeah.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 03:58 | 5075289 Otrader
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They're practicing the roof top dance of joy right now.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:26 | 5074163 Duffminster
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They know this.  Don't be surprised if they don't have another False Flag planned.  They figure if they could pull off 9/11, maybe a new one based on ISIS will be just as easy.   http://youtu.be/O1GCeuSr3Mk?t=13m25s

Some even believe ISIS is headed by some wester intelligence setting up just such conditions.  I doubt it but it would not surprise me in the least

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:39 | 5073684 Lost My Shorts
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Here is an interesting account, reflecting views of the NYDC establishment but not in the jingoistic terms reserved for the proles:

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/08/11/watching-eclipse

The New Yorker follows Russia closely, and shows obvious sympathy for the liberal-democratic-westernizing side.  But still some interesting points made:  you can read behind the lines and see how clueless and unengaged Obama has been personally; Russian relations and the vaunted "reset" were managed under Obama by a clueless academic who is also an active, long-term supporter of the liberal-democratic-westernizing side; the "reset" was little more than lip service; Western elites have a strong personal distaste for Putin on top of whatever economic interests are in play.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:45 | 5073708 Vampyroteuthis ...
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I saw the title of this article and since when did "common sense" stop war? The world is tied to the hip with the US politically and economically. They can not just suddenly get up and leave without consequences. This author is too optimistic.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:08 | 5073777 Supafly
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If it becomes the last option, maybe.  We've staged many wars in the last several years with unwilling participants that were weak.  Now we face strong unwilling participants and fatigue of an American population that isn't so easily distracted from their reality any more.  We'll see.  

 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:37 | 5073923 Keyser
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It was reported that US public outrage to the suggestion of entering Syria caused Obama to back down in that instance, so perhaps there is hope... 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:49 | 5073991 SofaPapa
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As naive as this sounds, the American Empire, aside from its military and economic capabilities, has also traditionally had a moral and beneficial facade to it.  After WWII for the first 40 years, when people looked around the world, the US was still either the freest or near the top of the list of the freest countries.  Outside of government, people were still relatively left to their devices to rise or fall - within of course the age-old boundaries of the class to which they were born.  It wasn't perfect, and the government was doing all the evil it currently does (Korea, Vietnam, Iran, etc.), but it was good enough to be better than most for its citizens.

That is what has changed, and that is why we are on the downslope from imperial peak now: The United States no longer benefits its citizens any more than any other country, and worse yet, there are now serious DISadvantages to being a US citizen.  Our taxation is insanely intrusive, the government has claimed the right to summarily execute citizens it finds crossing its path, and no one is free anymore to communicate even with their own children without having the government watching over their shoulder.  This is insanity.

In other words, the American dream is increasingly seen (both at home as well as abroad) as a nightmare.  That is why the US is falling.  Military might still needs to be backed up by a story.  People need something to fight for.  What has the US government / MIC / MSM / corporatocracy left behind as an ideal that people are willing to throw their spirits into to defend?

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:50 | 5074274 MrPalladium
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Remember that at the start of WW1 and WW2 there was far less international trade than there is now. Nations were largely autarchic rasing most of their own food and producing most of their own manufactured goods. Power came from the acquisition of additional land, hence the drive for war as a means of enhancing national power.

In 2014 the advanced economies are far more dependent upon trade with other nations than they were 100 or 80 years ago. Thus limited (conventional) wars against capable opponents are far more destructive to the economic base and to the political power of existing govermental regimes. And tactical and regional nuclear weapons make the political and economic elites of a nation the front line troops lined up for slaughter in the trenches.

The danger, of course is that politics attracts sociopathic schemers and the history of WW1 and WW2 shows just how sociopathic they were and still are. Neverless, sociopaths have a highly developed instinct for survival and I think 21st Century war is out of the question.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 20:24 | 5074369 SofaPapa
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I hope you're right about this.  I've been thinking a lot today about deluded thinking.  The trouble with deluded thinking is that those doing it cannot escape it.  Even if they rationally can see the logical fallacy, the thought process continues anyway.  Ask any addict.  They knew their drug of choice was killing them, but they couldn't let it go.  If that dynamic holds with "power addicts", our species may be eliminated by the small minority of very sick individuals who are drawn to wield power such as this.

Bottom line, are these sociopaths capable of recognizing the reality that they actually can't win a nuclear exchange, or will they start one, under the deluded thought process saying, "well... but if we strike hard enough first,..."?

Our survival hangs on this question.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 22:04 | 5074716 MrPalladium
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Our survival depends upon whether the corporate and commerical interests with world wide operations have control of the politicians. In past wars, you tried to pick the winner and buy its sovereign bonds and local stocks. But nuclear war will make the games played by the Rothchilds in past wars a certain money loser both for international corporations operating in countries on both sides in the war, as well as stock investors who bet that an unscathed winner will emerge.

Bad business and bad bets all around. The question is whioh elites have the power to control the outcomes, commercial elites or NGO elites with ideological agendas.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 21:05 | 5074505 darkpool2
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Correct......nothing, nada, zilch.
I live on and around a piece of dirt that i call home and which provides food , shelter and lifestyle for my family. The rest of the dirt contained within the notianal boundaries of the "country" that i happen to live in, is of little importance. As and when it no longer suits me to be here, i will upstakes and find another piece of dirt. ( of course this all supposes you have worked hard and learned things and accumulated some mobile assets ! )

Down arrow me all you sheep. ;)

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 23:58 | 5074992 Freddie
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The USA has been shit since the Civil War for the same european tribal bankster families who own The Fed.  1.1 million Americans murdered during the Civil War for nothing.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 03:56 | 5075287 Otrader
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The USA has been shit since the Civil War for the same european tribal bankster families who own The Fed.  1.1 million Americans murdered during the Civil War for nothing.

In the early days, the tribal bankster family even managed to kill lord Jesus.   Nothing can stand in their evil ways.  in their own backyard stands the Gazans and genocide is somehow justified despite the 50+ year land grab.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 04:50 | 5075321 August
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It's a sad irony that in the 20th century, many American Southrons were tricked into making a deal with the federal devil:  in exchange for getting to kill brown people here and there across the planet, they were only required to 1) cheer the federal flag, and 2) not ask too many questions.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:32 | 5074193 KenShabby
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US public outrage? Seriously? I don't believe that for a minute. Everyone I know doesn't know shit about the Syria fiasco and I thought I knew some level-headed people with brains. Turns out they're all a bunch of US media propaganda zombies. They're all gung ho for kicking the shit out that "evil" Putin. If I hear another Hitler analogy I will throw up. It's really disappointing and i've pretty much given up talking to anyone about politics and especially Obama. Fucking zombies to the very last one. We are doomed.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:44 | 5074236 Renfield
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When even small words aren't going to work, I find it's more effective to stay quiet, allow the MSM-follower to air their opinion, and then just completely refuse to support or agree with it. You know, give back a little of that passive-aggressive 'tinfoil' treatment. :-) It helps to ask questions concerning the logic or facts of their position, too. If you ask diplomatically, for information, without arguing, it tends to expose that the person has no good answer in a way that even they can see.

Well, sometimes, anyway.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 02:51 | 5075223 El Vaquero
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Most of the people that I regularly associate with are on the same page as I am.  Most are disgusted by the hypocrisy that comes out of DC.  There is hope for the future, but we will see dark times.  Putin could be another Stalin or Hitler for all I know, but thus far, his actions have been consistent with him being a dyed-in-the-wool statist who wants what is best for Russia and what is best for Putin.  I don't trust him, but I'm not going to demonize him without cause, especially not with some of the shit that we've been pulling. 

 

To the NSA:  Knowing that the US has been up to some very dirty shit, if we get into a thermonuclear war, and I survive, tell your masters that I'll place a majority of the blame on them.  There will be no punishment too great.  Scaphism when there is time, or just staple their peckers to a board, shove a glass rod up it, then vigorously apply a hammer and let infection take them when there is not time.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 03:47 | 5075280 Otrader
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I face the same zombies daily.  It's heart breaking when I hear the words 'but, they have intel on this stuff '

 

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 05:51 | 5075372 barre-de-rire
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don't be wrong, EU  people do not hate USA people.  EU people hate USA .GOVS behavior over the world.

 

not the same thing, if usa people mass riot & kill every single banker, gov member, even president, i bet my hat about 1 million EU ppl find their way to go usa to help you to clean the system.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:04 | 5074064 WhackoWarner
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OBAMA is meaningless. USA does not vote for leaders anymore.  Might as well elect a Kardashian to give fashion tips

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:40 | 5073691 TideFighter
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In the Wild Wild West, Kimosobee sleep with Tonto, "He has a big stick, believe me!"  

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:13 | 5073796 Carpenter1
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Yes, common sense has always prevailed over war.

Who is this fool? He needs to pick up a history book for the first time in his life.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:32 | 5073893 Toxicosis
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Appears he is a young and naive fool.  Common sense is wholly uncommon.   This is an article written by an author with little clarity of the history of human behavior, ridiculous assertions, a lack of common sense, and an entire vat of magical thinking.  Seems more appropriate you might find this blathering penmanship propagandized at Business Insider rather than Zero Hedge.  However, it is good to see who's asleep or awake round here.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:41 | 5073946 Toxicosis
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Sorry I have a retraction, he is an old and naive fool.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 20:56 | 5074471 Sparkey
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Carpenter he didn't say Common sense 'always' prevails over war, but he opines, it could be possible, I think this may be possible this time,,,just maybe of course,,, still, Rex Tillerson and the board of Exxon are staying the course and fufilling their contract in Russia, I take that as saying, the Board of Directors is betting this will blow over like last year's tempests did, Will it? or is this really the big one, the one we've known was coming for a long time as we hoped and prayed sanity would rule once more and we could postpone the Apoclaspe at least until I die of natural causes.

Exxon is betting one way, what are they betting against? Well if wars are fought to supress evil, at least from one side, there is a lot of evil in the world reflected in the posts here on ZH, Pictures of children's bodies with their heads cut off by ISIS, stories of people rounded up and sold in "the" Slave market? (Did you know this existed?), and lots more Equal or worse attrocities not the least of which; Shades of Poland in the 40ties, bound men being shot !n the head on the edge of a mass grave, bodies unceremoniously dumped in the hole

Who unleashed this on the world? and what was their motive? And do we really think this will never come to our neighbor hood!

I suspect the authors of this script grew up in sheltered circumstances where their sense of self worth and privlidge was reinforced daily and their omnipotence was never challenged. People, conditioned this way from birth, can, in the begining, have total confidence they can loose chaos onto the world and control it's out come, and write a script that lets them, not only retain, but increase their wealth and privildges, this is how things start, lots of confidence and a 'good' script, of course, in reality nothing is just what was planned, so good rewrite people are required to adjust the script and achieve the desired outcome, as the performance unfolds things which wern't imagined in the original script seem to appear at  ever greater frequency, and ever greater urgency, for example, The renewed bombing of Iraq, 'Which Pres. Obama says; won't be over soon! is one of those 'unexpected' events I think, what a test for the writers, can they write a script which lets us all be winners or is  Armageddon to be our fate! (It's a great play, lots of, end of seat, knuckle biting action, sometimes you wish it would end so you could go home and rest, then you realize 'You are at home' no escape now

If you are a Praying person pray that God give the writers wisdom, for they truly have all our fates in their hands!

 

 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:29 | 5074179 Freddie
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Retarded and evil Democrats and liberals voted for this TWICE.  I wish them Ebola.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:21 | 5073615 db51
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Drone't bomb me Bro.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:22 | 5073617 logicalman
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So, Global Corporatocracy is obviously a good thing and will improve everyones lives! /sarc

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:23 | 5073621 uno
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anyone see the Dailymail.co.uk constant anti-Russia propoganda.  One day there were 10 articles, if you read the comments the people see through it.  I do not even look at the US MSM crap, way too transparent.  I would assume CIA-TV (aka CNN) is at the front.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:46 | 5073688 AssFire
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Exactly uno, fake news with nothing factual. When I started reading this I was hoping it would mention this :

The US government has grown strangely quiet on the accusation that it was Russia or her allies that brought down the Malaysian airliner with a Buk anti-aircraft missile," Paul said on his news website on Thursday.

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/08/03/flight-17-shoot-down-scenario-shifts/

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:47 | 5073711 adeptish
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The DM is a strange beast, it will show 100 comments on a controversial story yet some comments will have 500 or so up or down arrows. Clear manipulation. I mean, do they even realise their duplicity?

At least DM allows comments. No Australian paper of note allows comments. In Canada all posts are severely monitored (G&M and National Post) and deleted summarily. CNN and USA Today, lol.

The voting format here on ZH is about the best there is. Even if I don't agree with a comment, I get to read it and also get to see what everyone else here thinks about it. 

 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:33 | 5074201 Freddie
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Read Cameron's Wiki.  He is tribe and his family and wife's family have raised money for wars for the Red Shield.  They want war,

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:22 | 5073622 jballz
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When did common sense ever stop a war machine?

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:24 | 5073631 logicalman
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Who knows.

Nobody even mentions the wars that didn't happen.

Having said that, I doubt it's a big number.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:29 | 5073645 seek
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Just recently, it stopped us from going into Syria. TPTB were pushing it hard and while the media downplayed the public's response, reps were literally getting their phone systems overloaded with negative calls -- bad enough that even rigged elections wouldn't get them through the firestorm.

So it's rare, but it happens, and it looks like Americans in general are getting pretty tired of war, especially these special-interests wars.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:32 | 5073657 shiftless
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"So it's rare, but it happens, and it looks like Americans in general are getting pretty tired of war, especially these special-interests wars."

So does that mean the troops are going to lay down their arms and refuse to fight when the big "OMG Russia just nuked New York!" false flag comes?

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:34 | 5073669 CheapBastard
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I listened to Billiary on the morning shows today. She says we're too pieceful.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:49 | 5073720 Curious Gorge
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No, it just means that the cannon fodder that is used, will be that much more displaced from reality. I love my fellow veterans, but man, some of them are not the sharpest tools in the shed. Those that see it for what it is, will be the minority me thinks. 

 

Cheers, 

 

What do you call two gay Irishmen?

 

Gerald Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzgerald. 

 

P.S. Don't care if you're gay, it's just a joke. Also, if you're offended, grow a thicker skin. 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:28 | 5073871 Razor_Edge
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IN fact it's Patrick Fitzmaurice and Maurice Fitzpatrick.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:49 | 5073722 seek
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No, it means the false flag has to be Russia nuking New York. Lately the justification for US involvement in that region and in Africa has been ZOMG they're kidnapping girls to be slaves to ____! After a few thousand flag-draped coffins from Iraq/Afghanstan and a bill that pushes over $1T USD, formerly working Americans that are now on SNAP (and more importantly, the people they elect) are a little more focused on domestic issues. They're not buying into "little" war lies anymore.

So yeah, if TPTB want war, it means a really big one, which some obviously do want, and they might just get it.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 02:37 | 5075211 tumblemore
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I agree with your general point but the three places it definitely won't be are: New York, Washington or Hollywood.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:39 | 5073677 Ignatius
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Great 'What Ifs' In History

What if the shit-hole that is currently Syria, Iraq, etc., is exactly what they were aiming for in the first place?  In spook parlance, it's within "the range of acceptable outcomes".

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:44 | 5073705 seek
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They spent too much political capital on trying to make Syria happen for it to be a misdirection. Syria (and the NSA thing) have made a lot of the top TPTB agents look really, really bad.

I think the current ISIS shit is probably the backup plan to get us back into that region after the first attempt failed. It's pretty clear it's important to TPTB types that we have a renewed presence around Syria, and it's also pretty clear we're prepping for some sort of event with Saudi Arabia.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 02:55 | 5075225 tumblemore
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The overall plan is to rubble-ize all the countries around Israel so they're not a threat to Israel. Originally they expected to get it all done within a few years but Iraq bogging down messed up the time scale.

 

 

 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:43 | 5073701 Lost My Shorts
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You also gotta give credit to John Kerry.  He managed the rush to war in Syria in such a ham-handed fashion that it begged for reaction, and that is what got the congressional vote and put the whole thing on ice.  You could assume Kerry is a war party servant and just screwed up.  But it was so perfect I always suspected his real intention was to avoid war and leave the war party flat on its ass, something which indeed rarely happens in DC.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:56 | 5073740 seek
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"War party?"... which one is that? /sarc

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 02:58 | 5075228 tumblemore
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Both.

 

The foreign policy establishment is dominated by neocons regardless of the party in office.

 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 22:18 | 5074747 gallistic
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@Lost My Shorts- Absolute fail.

 

So...

"You gotta give credit to John Kerry" because you suspect John Kerry is a righteous hero who secretly "avoid(ed) war" to "leave the war party flat on its ass" huh?

I suggest you double your dosage of those high powered pharmaceuticals and the electric blue variant of kool-aid that caused you to have that schizophrenic breakdown; hopefully it will finish you off and finally rid you of the demons' voices in your head.

You and everybody who up-voted your completely unfounded and absolutely stupid hunch is severely deluded.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:50 | 5073724 therevolutionwas
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Putin had a hand in stopping that one too.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:03 | 5073761 JohninMK
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And the Brits refusing to be the US's poodle, for once.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 23:29 | 5074846 gallistic
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That was a very elegant understatement.

Is that already down the memory hole? How quickly we forget!

Actually Putin did more than just "have a hand" in it. He saw through the ploy and let it clearly be known that Russia was not giving up Tartus. Among many other things, the Russian Navy had a staredown with the US Navy off the coast of Syria.

 

 

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 00:00 | 5074995 jballz
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Hahaha.

Where is the capital if the Islamic state we are bombing now?

Raqqa.

Wouldn't be unfortunate if we had to occupy Syria to get rid if them...

You're right we did slow them down a little but are the mess it made of things.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 03:01 | 5075233 tumblemore
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Isis are the neocon's plan B to get an attack on Syria after the chemical attack failed to get them their war on Syria.

 

 

 

 

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 03:39 | 5075269 Otrader
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When the rothchilds/bankers/MIC says no war, then it will slow down/stop.  Until then, the world will burn. 

The media is controlled by 8 corps, and what you hear/see is what they want you to see.  You can see the effects when you speak to family/co-workers.  Until the truth cuts thru all the lies, these wars will continue.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 00:27 | 5075042 Freddie
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One good thing that happened in years of bad things. Liberals and conservatives got on the phone and said no.

Also Putin had 8 Russian naval ships between the US Navy and China had one cruiser.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c5frszTCts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGnnmjbn-sE

Obama had said he was going to launch on a Friday.  Saturday morning - General Dempsey (Joint Cheifs) shows up at The White Hut and probably said no war.

Either MIC was scared they would lost some US Navy ships or the world would see how crappy US stuff is versus Russian P800 Super Sunburn anti ship missiles.

The Moskava cruiser also had P500 Bazalt anti ship missiles that travel at Mach 2.5.

Some reports have said that US cruise missiles were shot down. 

Pierre Sprey talking about why the F-35 is a piece of shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7qUkDnd-Eg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnNQROmpU5g

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:48 | 5073718 boattrash
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HAHAHAHAHA! Don't people read the Obituaries anymore? Common Sense died!

Commom Economic Sense? Oxymoron to the 10th power. FFS

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:29 | 5073646 ndree
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My, my, my... do I just luv luv that poster of these sad, mad, desperate and dangerous axxholes!!!! Should be printed in millions of examples and glued to every lamp post in every city around the world!!! In smaller print and in RED should be a list of the countries bombed and governments overthrown, and the MILLIONS killed!!!

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:31 | 5073651 shiftless
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"Common economic sense, however, is likely to silence the loud drums of war. "

Haha....right. Just like it did the last 8,281,992 times.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:45 | 5073710 BlindMonkey
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"Out of money to afford to maintain the empire, however, is likey to silence the loud drums of war."

 

Fixed it for the author.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:31 | 5073655 oklaboy
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This article is trash. Me thinks the ISIS/Islam version of a corporate take over is not what you think it is. Corporate intrest? Like in China? Russia? all controlled by the plutocrats? War, like the poor will always be with us, it is our lot in life.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:56 | 5073737 Boeing Boy
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Joining the UK in economic oblivion?  Eh?  That'll be the UK with the best performing G7 economy in 2014 and unlike USA our cities don't stink of piss everywhere you go.

 

Shit article.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:05 | 5073766 JohninMK
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Our performance can't go on. One day the grim reaper, our outstanding debt, will need to be faced.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:17 | 5073805 smacker
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The UK reported economic growth that you refer to is false.

It is largely accounted for by (a) a manufactured property price boom (new debt) which always leaks money into main street, (b) several tens of billions of compensation being paid out to customers by banks who defrauded them with a variety of criminal scams, finding its way into main street and (c) savers - faced with virtually zero interest rates on their deposits - are withdrawing money and spending it.

If there really was a recovery in the UK we'd see higher interest rates, higher "real" jobs numbers and higher manufacturing output. We see none of these things. There's a gigantic matrix of lies being spewed out by government and broadcast by MSM.

The best one can say is that British political elites are better liars than some other countries.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:53 | 5074011 logicalman
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I wouldn't say better.

The term I'd use is more 'bare faced'

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:39 | 5073681 Seek_Truth
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"How d'ya like them apples" - Putin

Poland would be well advised to can those apples- it's gonna be a long winter, and Hard apple cider will ease those winter blues.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:58 | 5074303 g speed
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Putin's timing is poor--Calif is in drought conditions and Polish fruit/veg will have a new market---nature 1 -Putin 0

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 21:34 | 5074588 Seek_Truth
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This article from 2013 states that Germany imports 95% of Polands exported Apple juice. As for whole apples, can't find any details.

I do know for a fact that most apple varieties get mealy after a few weeks, so other than Red Delicious and Yellow Delicious, which are always somewhat mealy, refrigeration would be necessary to keep most other varieties from spoiling, increasing costs to the US consumer vs USA grown apples. Add to that the fact that the number 1, 2 & 3 states where apples are grown are, respectively- Washington, Oregon, and Pennsylvania ( no droughts) and your comment has no bearing on the situation Poland finds itself in visa-via its apples.

https://london.trade.gov.pl/en/polskatastesgood/article/detail,9193,Poli...

Putin 1, Poland disqualified.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:34 | 5073667 Seek_Truth
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A pronouncement of peace is to be expected before the "big one" gets underway:

"While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape." - 1 Thessalonians 5:3

A calm before the storm.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:33 | 5073668 vyeung
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good article. War drums can only materialize when everyone is soooo dumb that they let it happen. They have duped everyone for a very long time, about time these nations consider the options they are facing. Total destruction via the following of the DC/Langley/Fed/Anglo/EU fascist nazi's or economic development and prosperity with the BRICS & associate group. Lets hope for humanities sakes, common sense does prevail. For generation X & Y we can all talk lightly about war, but speak to anyone that has lived in a war zone and look into their eyes and you will see the charged emotions, fear, terror and utter despair. US cannot uni-laterally go to war without any allies, it does not have the ability to execute it. The BRICS nations are correct to lure the fascist/nazi's into isolation, otherwise the world will suffer. On the down side, the US will be devastated due to these criminals and will take a decade or two to rebuild. But that is the price to pay for falling asleep at the wheel. Hopefully the world will band together and rebuild the nation asap without too much pain and suffering.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:47 | 5073715 kareninca
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"War drums can only materialize when everyone is soooo dumb that they let it happen."

That is one of the stupider things I have read on ZH.  Pick up a history book; war drums come out and are effective despite plenty of public resistance.  It only takes a few of the right people, to start a war, and then it takes on a life of its own.  Do you actually believe what you just wrote?  That suddenly the same thing that humans have been doing forever  -  killing each other in crazy ways in huge numbers for no good reason  -  is going to stop because people "wake up" and are no longer duped????  I guess you write to Santa Claus, too.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 05:34 | 5075363 August
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It's different this time. 

Those old-time people were blundering, half-wit "aristocrats".  Today, foreign policy is made by savvy, well-networked people who trained for years at world-class universities.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:37 | 5073680 orangegeek
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Drone technology is the safer version of nukes.

 

F16's doing their recent runs are for the MSM to fill up their pages for their readers that don't really exist anymore.

 

Drones are cheaper, more effective and cause less damage - but don't have to.

 

How many drone strikes have occurred since the start of these mid-east gong shows?  My guess is plenty, but Reuters and the others got their cash deposits from DoD, so nothing gets reported.

 

No one wants a war because the technnology edge goes to the US and the rest know it.  What occured in the past doesn't matter.  Drones are front and center now.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:50 | 5073725 BlindMonkey
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"Drones are cheaper, more effective and cause less damage"

 

I would argue that they are not more effective.  There have been a bazillion targeting errors that don't seem to happen when a human is pulling the trigger in person.  

 

The less damage part is true today only.  I am certain that the limited payload will be worked out shortly.  The Global Hawk is a big drone and I am sure large form drones armed like B1, A10 etc are already test flying.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 03:31 | 5075263 Otrader
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targeting errors = more deaths = more angry jihadists = more $$$ = improved shareholder value = more part time  jobs = few more days for petrodollar

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:05 | 5073770 25or6to4
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Drones are for countries/ people who have no air defense system. Same goes for the AC-130, aircraft carries and all the other sitting duck systems US deploys against third world nations.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:38 | 5073683 kareninca
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"Common economic sense, however, is likely to silence the loud drums of war."

The people who are making the decisions re whether we make war, don't care about The Economy.  They are psychopaths.  They care about their own personal economy.  If "common economic sense" is involved here anywhere, which I doubt, it is not being applied to the day to day financial experiences of regular people.  If history is a guide, war is very lucrative to a subset of people, so we will have more of it.

This article was a moronic tissue of wishful thinking.  I can blather about things I wish would be, but I don't think that makes them happen.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:41 | 5073693 ShrNfr
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Ya know, Biden looks better with that bird shitting on his head. That says something about him.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:43 | 5073700 Ignatius
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Nice poster. Suitable for framing.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:41 | 5073694 where_is the_nuke
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Bring it bitchezz. When was the last time a real  war was fought?

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:00 | 5074044 logicalman
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What exactly do you mean by a 'real' war.

Haven't been there myself, fortunately, but I'm guessing the 'real' one is the one you are in.

But then, all wars are bankers wars and I would absolutely refuse to fight FOR a banker - 

 

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 03:29 | 5075260 Otrader
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Walk down to a strip mall and sign up keyboard warrior!

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:41 | 5073695 ramacers
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 just hope it is not a case of deafening silence.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:52 | 5073727 jacship
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Fighting Putin in his backyard is suicidal,

Fighting ISIS in their backyard, is new drama going to be played on MSM

starting this weekend.

 

 

 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:11 | 5073787 Eyeroller
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And it will really get interesting as soon as ISIS beheads an American.

WHY haven't the embassies/consulates been evacuated?

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 03:26 | 5075257 Otrader
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Why would ISIS attack thier own HQ?

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:52 | 5073728 Joebloinvestor
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Actually, since the world is such a fucked up economic virus infected rudderles boat, a nuke attack should be in the cards.

However, the radiation from Fukishima may fill that. 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:11 | 5073788 no more banksters
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Unfortunately. the "common sense" of plutocrats and their neocon puppets is different from that of the majority:

"The new cold war which started with the crisis in Ukraine, has not only to do with the natural resources of the vast Russian territory. It also has to do with the model that the Western plutocrats want to impose, which requires the absence of the nation-state in its final phase. Their various think tanks probably wrongly estimated that Russia had permanently passed to the neoliberal phase and would be an easy target, but Putin made them run. What we see now, is a cruel battle with time. On the one hand, Russia and China, together with the rest of the BRICS, are trying to get rid of the dollar and form their own currency system to gain complete independence, on the other, the neocon banking-corporate puppets in the US are in panic and seek desperately a pretext to come to war with Russia and put an end to this threat for their plans. This explains their agony to drag Russia into a warm conflict."

http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2014/08/the-dominant-elite-ready-to-b...

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:24 | 5073852 doctor10
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People always want to complicate this stuff. Crimea had an opportunity to vote themselves out from under the bootheel of the bankers who have managed to make debt slave of most of the EU.   The EU banksterz are pissed that some of the peasants chose Putin over them. Can't let voting out from under commie-socialist debt become acceptable.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:15 | 5073793 DOGGONE
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Ask journalism how much it got for its soul.
http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1223928

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:19 | 5073826 Joe Tierney
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Who was that masked man?

 

Tonto: Him KemoSabe - Apache word mean Islamic sympathizer, have strong communist insides. Him poosie. Him idiot. Him liberal slimebag. Him flipside coin - other side Bush - KemoSabe with I.Q. like bag of scalps. For Jew listener, him have I.Q. like bag of foreskins.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:26 | 5074161 lasvegaspersona
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Tonto, I said posse!

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:43 | 5073959 AurorusBorealus
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While I agree, in theory, with what the author says here.  I see a different outcome as more likely.  U.S. multinational corporate interests are irrelevant to China, Russia, the BRICS, et al as is U.S. public opinion, which continues to be pro-war all-the-time.  China already has acquired most of the U.S. industrial capacity, with the complicity of a generation of corporate CEOs, searching for big bonuses by outsourcing all U.S. production.  If you think the stockholders of Apple actually own anything other than paper, you are as sorely deluded as those who hoard USD.  China actually holds Apple along with many other U.S. companies.  As a company, Wal-Mart is nothing more than the owner or renter of swaths of over-priced real-estate in strip malls across a die countryside.  Furthermore,  Latin America will never ally themselves with the U.S. government again, except Mexico, after all the disasters that the CIA and Wall Street have caused for the people and the governments here in South America.  The issue really, is when will Europe realize that Russian energy is more important than USD?

As long as the neo-cons, military-industrial-complex, and intelligence agencies continue to direct U.S. policy, the U.S. is seen increasingly as a threat and the primary architect of global disorder by nearly everyone in the world, except England, Australia, Israel, and Japan.  Opinion in Israel, even, is turning against Obama as he has not been the lap-dog of zionism that previous U.S. presidents have been, and there are murmurings in Australia against U.S. imperial policy.  When Abeonomics fails in Japan and the horrors of Fukushima become more apparent, social unrest in Japan may well turn the tide against Washington there as well.

There is much heated talk on the internet by a small minority in the U.S. about revolution to overthrow the Washington regime, but no real action.  While the majority of Americans express some level of disatisfaction with their government, they really are not going to do anything about it until the dollar collapses, and they experience real hardship.  Even then, the power of the U.S. military, intelligence state is so well-entrenched that the revolt of a minority in the central of the country seems unlikely to succeed in causing anything more than fueling the military state by creating a protracted guerilla uprising in the center of the country.

As such, Washington is a very real threat to international order that is not going to go away on its own.  The most likely outcome is a surprise attack, using nuclear arms (probably using virus and cyberwar to disrupt U.S. nuclear and air-force command control, probably during a period of solar storms), by Russian and Chinese submarines and long-range bombers, destroying the U.S. completely in a matter of minutes and ridding the world, once and for all of the Washington regime.  Further movement of Europe toward the Eurasian and BRIC alliance would be the geo-political requirement for China and Russia to commence this operation.  I think both nations have made clear, in their recent statements and military exercises, that this is exactly what they have in mind.

 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:23 | 5074131 lasvegaspersona
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AB

I don't see it that way.

When the dollar fails we will have an entirely different political environment. Stooges must be paid.

There is a scene in the movie The Lives of Others in which the break up of the Soviet Union is announced. Workers just look at each other and quietly leave their posts. If the government can no longer afford the huge bloated federal workforce it will not show up for work for free.

This is not to say everything will be peaceful and calm. If the government cannot provide (after having placed itself in the position of providing) food, energy and communications there will be trouble. 

I do not see the coastal cities as being unaffected by this. Indeed the Central states are closer to food sources than either coast is.

Much of the transition will depend upon the preparedness of the government. As Kyle Bass has indicated at least some of them understand what is about to happen. Unless they are completely heartless and ignorant of the facts they have made some preparation beyond FEMA camps and the Red Cross. There have been dozens of movies and documentaries about the way disruptions might occur. Transportation and energy will be critical. Communications will be demanded almost as much as food.

I think Russia and china will not make a move during this period. The USA will, for a period still have a huge military and if an outside threat is perceived a major war could erupt. I think they will watch in amusement as we finally are forced to compete on a level playing field without the exorbitant privilege of printing the worlds reserve currency. I believe that once we recover from the initial shock we will bounce back and prove we can compete. We won't have the cheap imports and all powerful dollar but we will have a nation of well educated people who generally get along. American politics won't be the same either. There won't be a huge pool of money, obtained without the pain of taxation, for the pigs at the trough to fight over. Since all dollars spent will be tax procured I think Americans will develop a heightened sense of where they are going. 

I believe that the death of the dollar will cause a fundamental change in international relations. A monetary system that provides a better savings vehicle for rich and poor will cause a rethinking of how we interact and view money itself. Gold will finally find itself in the role it has been denied for centuries. 

This will be huge (and good).

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:34 | 5074185 Renfield
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Greened both of you for thoughtful speculation, thank you. I like the comments I can take away and think over.

I cannot accept any speculation that does not centre on the fall of the Global Reserve Currency. That's why it's different this time and why I think World War III is a currency war. I think this is the source of Putin's preoccupation these days.

If we do get another GRC, I doubt it will start as fiat. (I'm not sure we'll even see another GRC. But if we do, not gov fiat. Real productivity is sorely needed.)

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 20:27 | 5074398 AurorusBorealus
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I would observe that history tends to rhyme, if not repeat itelf, and there is a long-established tradition of surprise attacks on the U.S.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 03:18 | 5075244 Victor999
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Usually false flag attacks....or attacks manipulated and encouraged by the US Governmetn in order to accomplish some goal. 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 20:13 | 5074357 AurorusBorealus
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The Lives of Others was a very good movie.

You are correct that the real wild-cards are the collapse of the current dollar-based international system and the size of the social unrest that will ensue in the U.S., particularly to what extent the military will remain loyal to Washington.  I think that it is safe to say that the high-ranking military officials will remain loyal to the neo-con: the lower-ranking officers, majors and captains and the NCOs, that is the real question- especially those in the reserve and National Guard.  Clearly any revolt against Washington will be led by former military, and Washington knows this.  The local police in almost every jurisdiction have clearly shown their hand as pro-regime, but this is the case in nearly every civil insurrection.

Russia and China can not afford to have infinite patience in the face of a revolt within the U.S. .  The NSA spying and tapping of all internet communications is a double-edged sword that can be turned against the U.S. with a properly created and diseminated trojan-horse type program, I suspect, that could infect much of the U.S. military command control.  If timed to coincide with solar storms, serious disruptions in the U.S. ability to launch a counter strike could occur.  However, this would provide only a very short window of opportunity to launch an attack without "mutually assured destruction."

Frankly, if I were in the U.S., I would get out... now.  I think to stay there is a gamble with little upside and a catastrophic downside.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 03:29 | 5075259 Victor999
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However, this would provide only a very short window of opportunity to launch an attack without "mutually assured destruction."

According to at least one peer-reviewed scientific paper, there is no such thing as 'Mutually-Assured Destruction' - there is only 'Self-Assured Destruction'.  Even if either Russia or the US committed a successful first strike, and crippled the opponent's ability to respond, it would lead to the end of civilisation within a few years.

http://thebulletin.org/2012/september/self-assured-destruction-climate-i...

According to the paper, even a small interchange will severely disrupt weather patterns for many years across the entirety of the globe, even the Southern Hemisphere.

We must NEVER use nukes!

 

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 03:45 | 5075276 Victor999
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I believe that once we recover from the initial shock we will bounce back and prove we can compete.

Not certain this is possible once it happens. America can no longer provide for its own food - it must import massive quantities, esp as California goes dry.  Further, today America relies too heavily on imported goods - clothes, building materials, metals, fossil fuels (yes, we are still the top importer of fossil fuels in the world - well, maybe second now) - indeed, overall the USA is the top importer in the world, if I remember correctly - and this makes her extremely vulnerable to a highly devalued dollar - shopping at Walmarts will be equivalent to shopping at Harrods in London when the dollar fails. 

Energy just keeps getting more expensive, and for an economy to grow itself it must have lots of energy.  How can she afford that energy with no money?

The destruction of the dollar will mean almost immediate social unrest, massively so. People will be starving in the streets.  And if it is winter when this ha[ppens, goodluck to them.  Can the government count on the local police and military to keep order under those condidtions?  I think not - these folks have families and they will be mad as hell at those who led them into this situation.

The US will have a very difficult time bouncing back, and it is a big 'IF' that they ever wiil.  And those nations that depend heavilly on the dollar and US trade will find themselves in dire straits as well.  This is why the BRICS are moving fast to put a newe foundation into place - the US can no longer be relied on to power the world through its dollar.

More likely, if Russia and China can manage it, they will encourage trade unification with Europe (via Germany and France), connecting the entire Eurasian continent - something the US is deathly afraid of.  When that happens (and it will be complete when the dollar dies), then the US will be odd man out.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 06:08 | 5075390 August
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I believe that once we recover from the initial shock we will bounce back and prove we can compete.

Possibly correct.  However, while not a devotee of eastern religion, I think the law of karma demands another outcome:  the USA has been dishing out pain and suffering on a planetary scale for many, many years, and will at one point be getting it all back again... good and hard.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:52 | 5073961 lasvegaspersona
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While common sense may not play much of a role I do sense a movement towards commerce rather than conflict.

These currecny swaps between everyone and everyone else (except the USA) have a purpose. They provide the structure for trade without the USA and it's dollar.

Some see the enormous quantity of dollar backed paper and say 'nothing else is big enough to take it's place'. This is true but nothing has to take it's place. If the dollar is abandoned the loss in value that will occur to central banks can be balanced by a re-valueing of gold. It would not be that complicated.

The value of treasuries goes to zero and leaves gold as the only asset on their balance sheets. That alone redefines the purchasing power of gold. All that would remain would be for a central bank like the ECB or even the BIS itself to offer to buy gold in unlimited quantities (expanding their balance sheet without increasing debt). They could arrange for the price to be whatever they choose. ((see fofoa 2008 to 2014... dozens of articles and tens of thousands of comments on his blog)

All this could now occur in a short period of time. It just depends on the mechanics of the swaps. The dollar's funeral is long overdue and has been postponed only by those who needed more time to get their new systems in place.

War just mucks things up and would likely be just the US trying to obscure the events unfolding. No one else seems interested.

I have watched several Putin interviews. He seems truly frustrated by events and seems to have something else on his mind. Maybe it is that big gas deal with China or the prospect of trade with 2.5 billion people in China and India. He even ordered a few Boeing planes. Maybe our corporate overlords really do want to get back to real business. Share buy backs are boring.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:02 | 5074057 logicalman
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I'm ready to volunteer to move to Mars.

 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:20 | 5074138 ndree
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http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/russias-fast-and-illusive-topol-m-balli...

This should prevent any threatening moves! 

Everyone CHILLOUT!!!

Two can play at any game!

 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 22:56 | 5074863 WTFUD
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Nice! Can i get one of those on H/P?

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:29 | 5074169 honestann
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And exactly what physical mechanism will stop the predator with his finger over the button... from pushing the button.  If he is inclined to push the button, plenty of loud, insistent neocon voices near him may well overwhelm "the crowd in the background".  This is what happens when the vast majority of sheeple accept concentration of power.

Also, oligarchs != multinationals;

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 20:10 | 5074340 AdvancingTime
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The potential for the human race is questionable. The catalyst for war has not been diminished as many people have hoped it would once the world matured. National pride, political agendas, religious and ethnic hatreds are some of the biggest roadblocks to world peace.

Often we seem to forget as we look back to World War II and past a dozen "lesser Conflicts" peace has been the exception rather then the rule for hundreds and thousands of years. The true reality is that across the world few mothers want to see their children killed and most farmers want to be left along to raise their crops and earn a living. More on the subject of war as a solution to conflict in the article below.

http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/05/war-and-what-is-it-good-for.html

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 21:36 | 5074619 marcusfenix
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wars are planned and calculated events. enmies are created and villified via massive injections of propaganda, false flag events and overt acts of agression hidden in the guise of non military intervention, namely sanctions.

make no mistake and carry no delusions about it, washington has already commited itself and by extension, the rest of us to a war with russia. that it it is not yet a direct military conflict should not give one the false impression that this will end any other way. that is the purpose of all this that is the endgame otherwise they would not have pushed so hard, so far down this road.

still there remains one possible reprieve though it truly may be the lesser of to evils. it may be that even now nature, through the smallest of organisims, is set intervien, to change the game. though the death toll may be no less horrific at least it would be an honest one unmotivated by psychopathic greed, blind ambition and lust for power...

i always hoped to live in interesting tiimes.

but this is the wrong kind of interesting.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 23:09 | 5074888 WTFUD
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Vichy DC's BLUFF has been called and the only reason i am unhappy with President Putin is that he has not TAKEN OUT the SCUM MURDERING MERCS & NAZIS & PUPPET UKIE GOV which he could within the time frame LimpAss Barry finishes a round of golf.

Obviously him being far more competent/rational than the Elite Pussy NeoCons he is cutting the Germans some slack to ouster the MAD DOGS OF WAR.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 22:55 | 5074862 robnume
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Common sense? What's that? I don't understand. Is that one of the five senses? I don't get you because, you see, I'm an Amerikan.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 23:22 | 5074921 nah
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smoking guns hot use flying tampon for your security

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bitchez

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 23:35 | 5074957 catch edge ghost
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so you think you can x

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 03:20 | 5075247 tumblemore
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The trouble is if the neocons are prevented from getting a war they want then they just create a nastier false flag a year later and try again. This is only going to stop when the neocon families are driven out of the state department.

 

 

 

 

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 06:11 | 5075393 dreadnaught
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and sent to a Guilotine

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 03:35 | 5075265 Ghordius
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interesting projection, "I see the future composition of the World GDP by 2024 as 12 nations claiming 82 percent of the pie and the rest of the world combined accounting for the other 18 percent.  The dozen major economies, with their respective rounded-off share (to the nearest half percent), would line up in this decreasing order: China, 20%; US, 15%; Russia and Brazil, each 7.5%; Japan, 6%; Germany and India, each 5%; Australia and France, each 3.5%; and Canada, Italy and Indonesia, each 3%.  The United Kingdom is likely to submerge into oblivion, no matter how the Scots decide to vote, its two of-age daughters, Australia and Canada, surpassing the mother country’s GDP… in the case of Australia by as much as 25 percent."

but those economies are differently integrated

Germany's (5%), France's (3.5%) and Italy's (3%), together at 11.5%, are both strongly integrated among themselves and in world trade, and they are only part of the EU

so if the author decided to use trade blocs like the EU for his compilation...

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anyway, yes, common sense should silence the damn drums of war. and here a question: how many ZH commenters look like they are against war... yet are actually - for whatever reason, cultural or religious - convinced of a Great War coming? To the point that they help the drums of war sound harder?

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 04:56 | 5075325 LostandFound
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With the current options of warfare available you don't need the backing of the masses to go to war. I don't hear the people lining up and protesting the economic warfare currently ongoing and I don't hear people lining up and complaining about the drones and artificial intelligence programs. If the globalists want a war for some sort of new world order then we will be dragged into it kicking and screaming. We are currently powerless the way I see it, some psychopath can clearly get this thing rolling.

When does one sanction become too much that a physical response is required.

If someone kept stealing from me, then eventually I would kick there head in.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 05:56 | 5075376 basho
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you are off to a bad start using "malefic" ie "having malignant influence" to describe Putin.

your slight of hand BS makes the rest of your writing suspect and on close scrutiny is a rehash of stuff one finds all over the net.

suggest you lay off the name calling if you want to come off as someone that knows what they are talking about. :)

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 06:40 | 5075413 August
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>>>you are off to a bad start using "malefic"

Unless I am unusually slow-witted today, an implied sarc accompanies the author's statement.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 06:02 | 5075383 barre-de-rire
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somes  sentences from machiavel :

 

  • all ain't politics, but politics interests to everything
  • In peacetime, the mercenary steals; in wartime, he desertes
  • we do war when we want, we stop war when we can
  • anyone who won a state accustomed to live free, do not destroy it, but must expect to be destroyed.
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