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(Conditioned) Human Nature within the Insane Asylum

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(Conditioned) Human Nature within the Insane Asylum

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I wish I had a silver dollar for every time I’ve heard the phrase “It is human nature……” or some such derivative or derivation. Alan Greenspan recently popped to the surface of his personal cesspool to proclaim it is human nature to create financial bubbles, thus absolving himself of any blame for a runaway fiat candy machine. His exact words were “Bubbles are functions of unchangeable human nature.

I will stifle the urge to flush Greenspan back down the commode where he belongs and instead focus upon the mistaken belief we can actually determine exactly what is ‘human nature’ after hundreds if not thousands of years of social conditioning and manipulation.

Our fragile egos, both personally and as a collective, have a difficult enough time accepting “We the People” are effectively influenced by ‘popular culture’, let alone that we would seriously entertain the idea we are thoroughly conditioned humans from birth. But considering we are born the purest of individual humans and spend the rest of our lives attempting to be just like everyone else speaks volumes to the idea we are the sum total not only of our lifelong conditioning, but of multi generational conditioning as well.

Where exactly is the demarcation line between ‘human nature’ and the passively conditioned consumer we have all become to some degree or another? If generation after generation of “We the Consumer” suffer under the influence of cultural, social, institutional, religious and governmental manipulative programming and outright propaganda, how exactly could we ever be fully aware of the sum total of these influences nor what humans would be like if the manipulation were removed or never there in the first place?

Humans are highly adaptive creatures and incredibly ingenious when it comes to modifying our behavior in the face of externally or internally applied pressure and circumstance. ‘Normal’ is a relative term, not some static measurement, and both the body and mind quickly becomes accustomed to the ‘new’ normal when choices appear to be limited and the herd moves to a new grazing field. But this doesn’t mean the results of social pressures and generational conditioning are dictated by human nature or that human nature guides human behavior under these extraordinarily distorted circumstances.

I remember visiting an indoor zoo several decades ago with my young son. At one exhibit there was a young man seated in a chair intently watching the caged animals, in this case squirrels if I remember correctly. A sign posted behind him informed the curious he was conducting a behavioral study and to please do not disturb. At regular intervals he would look down at his clipboard and make a notation, then return his gaze to the animals in front of him. I was fascinated not in the animals he was watching, but in what he was doing and why.

Stealing a look at the clipboard there were several vertical columns for various behaviors such as grooming, feeding, mating etc and horizontal markings indicating 30 second intervals. It appeared he was following one particular squirrel and noting what it was doing at specific points in time. It was then I realized there was a very large clock with a sweeping second hand hanging on the cage in the person’s line of sight. I supposed this data would all be crunched down later into thesis graphs and tables.

Outside the exhibit I found an employee and asked him a few questions about the young man inside. He explained that the local university regularly sent over students to conduct behavioral studies of various animals in the zoo. This data would then be compared to results of studies done in the wild in order to measure the effects of captivity and domestication. I remember saying to him, “Too bad we can’t do this with humans.” He was startled by my comment and clearly at a loss for words. I left him to stew on my thought as my son dragged me on to the next exhibit.

 

Exhausted from Life's Treadmill

 

If the only substantial population of squirrels left in the world are all safely caged and on exhibit, with only a smattering of squirrels remaining in the wild, would this ‘condition’ eventually become the basis for a new ‘normal’? Would the caged animals be considered the norm and the few remaining left in the wild considered outliers and abnormal?

Now move this thought experiment forward a thousand years or more and imagine there are only caged squirrels left in the world, and even the institutional memory of their wild origins is lost or severely obscured. How exactly would these animals be perceived when there remained no basis for comparison? I propose that at this point any observed repetitive or predictable ‘behavior’ would be considered ‘squirrel nature’ and just the way it is.  

In recent years the publicly promoted illusion of happy, well adjusted zoo animals has slowly dissolved into dust as report after report indicates many animals in captivity exhibit clear and disturbing signs of depression, neurosis and self destructive behavior. Assuming after a thousand years the captive squirrels have not committed ritual collective suicide I suspect their observed behavior would border on the bizarre and nonsensical. Yet with no basis for comparison their aberrant manner would continue to be explained away as simply squirrel nature.

While I suspect I shall assault the sensibilities and egos of many of my readers by immediately switching the squirrel analogy to that of the present day human, the similarities are too striking to ignore. How exactly are we to successfully and correctly examine ourselves when the only ‘normal’ we know is found in the boiling pot of water we presently occupy?

With no basis for comparison and any cultural or institutional memory long since lost to time or never established in the first place, combined with the deliberate and malicious distortion or outright falsification of the history of the human race in order to muddy the waters and control “We the Conditioned”, how is a person or any “author-ity” able to say with any degree of confidence that a particular observed human behavior is solely and exclusively ‘human nature’? The single minded arrogance displayed by such certainty of knowledge of the ‘self’ approaches pathological self deception.

That caged gorilla obsessively pacing inside his cage is seen as abnormal simply because we can view other gorillas in the wild and not witness comparable behavior. Similarly the obese obsessive compulsive eater shopping at Sam’s Club for a bigger bang for their food buck is seen as abnormal solely because there are other non obese humans available for comparison. As well, this specific abnormal self destructive human behavior is so relatively new that institutional memory of what is ‘normal’ has not been lost or deliberately obscured. Yet we hurry to blame the individual person for their apparent suicidal behavior and rarely look beyond the trees to see the cultural forest.

For thousands of years psychopaths have ruled the human race utilizing various psychologically damaging methods and techniques, all with the ultimate purpose of control and exploitation. The very institutions and governments we allow to exist are there solely to herd and control the masses for the benefit of the few at the expense of the many. In so many ways caged from birth, is it any wonder we exhibit clear and disturbing signs of depression, neurosis and self destructive behavior?

I suspect if it weren’t for our flexible intellect and protective ego, combined with a monumental arrogance, long ago we would have participated in ritual collective suicide. It could be argued our near constant state of war is designed to ‘play’ at or ‘practice’ mass suicide in order to act as a safety valve and relieve some of the socially self destructive pressures.

While there are certainly many ‘benefits’ of war enjoyed by the minority psychopath controllers, such as economic enrichment, power enhancement and more social control, a seriously dysfunctional and neurotic population must be managed in the same way unstable chemical compounds are. Occasionally dangerous pressures must be carefully vented away or burned off lest the volatile concoction self destruct and take the psychopaths with it.

For those among us who claim that humans who are removed from these pressures still exhibit the same behavior, thus confirming the presence of human nature, I simply respond that deep conditioning can last a lifetime even after it is recognized as conditioning. It takes generational change to effectively begin the removal and rebalancing process and many generations for it to be removed completely. Ironically the psychopaths claim this very fact justifies their continued intervention and control since a domesticated animal let loose in the wild cannot fend for itself, a self serving point of view if ever I heard one.

Induced insanity is the perfect mental/spiritual illness from a social control point of view because it is self perpetuating, self affirming and can exist in isolation since it is its own energy source. The social/cultural control systems used by the psychopaths encourages mass mental illness in order to divide and conquer. It is the most effective method by which the few may dominate the many.

If this is the case, and I suspect this to be so, how exactly are “We the Insane” able to perceive anything about ourselves with any semblance of balance and objectivity. How are we able to determine what is ‘human nature’ and not just run-of-the-mill insanity? The insane nearly always believe themselves to be sane and healthy, and all others to be off their rockers. How apropos then that nearly every one of us believes we can clearly see the insanity and it is they, those, and them over there who are the problem, not me, myself or I.

Welcome to the Insane Asylum…..or as we like to say these days the ‘new’ normal.

 

08-10-2014

Cognitive Dissonance

 

Fragile Human Nature

 

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Mon, 08/11/2014 - 14:14 | 5077426 VWAndy
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Accountability is the cure. This training we have been forced into only exsist because they are not held accountable. My cousin was taught to not hit back by folks that dont really ever need to defend themselves. If those that taught him had been punched in the same manner as he was the teachings would have changed sooner. Female logic does not work in a mans world. Male logic does not work in a female world. Its no wonder things are so messed up.

 The same can be said about government logic being used in the private sector. In gov work results dont matter in the private sector its the only thing that does. Add accountability to the mix and all of it changes fast. That kid thought he could get away with it. Once he was held accountable from that second on things were different for the better of all parties.

  The older I get the more clear it is to me. Accountability is taboo today. Well for some anyway. To bad those are the ones calling the shots.

 

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 10:49 | 5076122 gaoptimize
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When I was 8, we had a male and a female gerbil in a ten gallon fish tank with cedar wood chips on the bottom.  Pets.  We fed them salad vegetables and gave them plenty of water.  Within 3 months, they had a litter of seven.  Four of the baby gerbils were eaten by their parents before my mother got rid of them all.

When I am not working, exercising, enjoying my family, or otherwise usefully occupied, I think about current events and can get sad and angry if it goes on more than an hour.  So this week, I'm clearing the yard in preparation of getting someone to plow the yard so I can plant green manure.  Leading to a larger and better garden next year.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 11:44 | 5076492 Cognitive Dissonance
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How do you 'plant' green manure? Or maybe the question is 'What' is green manure?

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 08:47 | 5075623 messymerry
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Thanks Cog,

You know what bugs me is the legions of people that are willing to do evil for the benefit of these psychopaths you mentioned.  The countless bureaucrats, cops, judges, educators, poiliticians, etc, that sell their souls for just a sliver of the pie.  A pie stolen from the productive works of others.  Food from the mouths of small children.  Is that not evil???

...and a sincere hello to Ms. Cog,,,

;-D

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 09:45 | 5075825 jimcg
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Shun Them

So who is it that really collects the taxes, runs the checkpoints, spies on the phone calls, and all the other things you don't like?

It's your neighbors, that's who. They may even be your friend or relative.

The question I have is- "Why is it so easy for them to behave this way?" By this I mean- Why is there no social price to pay for working for the IRS or NSA? Why are these people treated as "valued public servants" instead as the abusive parasites that they are?

These people live their everyday lives in OUR world, yet they spend their professional time harassing us.

It is time to return the favor. They all need their car repaired, their hair done, their relaxing time at the pub. WE, the productive class, are the people who supply all these things.

Take it away from them.

That's perfectly legal too.

So let me guess -- you really like being felt up by the TSA, along with all the other abuses -- right?

After all, you aren't doing the above -- are you?

Now there's something to think about.....

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 10:45 | 5076096 messymerry
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Had to add a second response to your comment:

The question I have is- "Why is it so easy for them to behave this way?" By this I mean- Why is there no social price to pay for working for the IRS or NSA? Why are these people treated as "valued public servants" instead as the abusive parasites that they are?

This is really a great question.  I think Cognitive Dissonance and Mr. Normalcy Bias would probably have a lot to say to this.  For my part, I cannot hardly even look at these people much less interact with them.  I dread every time I have to go to a public office and talk to a public servant.  I might also note, I dread contacting a corporation just as much. 

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 12:07 | 5075957 messymerry
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I do and I am.  I'm living in a little burg in Texas and I have so pissed off TPTB that I am looking for another place to live.  Hick public servants don't like their corruption pointed out to them.  Are you familiar with the term:  hometowning.  I called them on it. 

Now, a big part of the problem is that the State insulates it's minions from the people.  Probably the most egregious example of this is the Criminal Industrial Complex.  The judges, the lawyers, tbe cops are all highly cloistered.  They are isolated in their own little worlds and they are scared shitless of anything that does not fit in thieir assiduousy constructed model of their utopian vision.  That is why they will fight tooth and nail when the insurrection begins.  They are in a bubble and cannot see the world we see.  Bubbles are interesting things   Those inside can only see their carefully constructed fantasy reflected back at them.  Those outside see all the filth and perversion of their bubbly world.

I don't like being felt up by the TSA.  I don't fly anymore.  We, the productive class, is mostly beholden to our masters on the corporate plantation.  As long as there is electricity and processed foods in the fridge, the productive proles will not rise up.  Just like the unproductive proles with their countless bennies, will not rise up until they become uncomfortable. 

We must wait until the time is right.  To act earlier is suicide...

Thanks for the reply. 

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 09:11 | 5075740 d edwards
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Did you know the 0baMao regime has a group of behavioral psychologists advising them on how to manipulate the dumb masses?

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 09:35 | 5075802 messymerry
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Yes indeed!  I neglected to mention the legions of State scientists that also enable these psychopathic elites.  In my mind, they are the worst of the lot.  As a scientist myself, I expect better of my colleagues.  Any rigorous mind should be able to see through their machinations...

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 12:17 | 5076471 Cognitive Dissonance
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And again with the duplicate. The DSL Gods hate me today. :)

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 11:22 | 5076349 Cognitive Dissonance
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Or the medical doctors directly advising the US tortures on how much is too much so they can go right up to the line.

Mengele had his little helpers after all.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 12:09 | 5076470 messymerry
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Just finished watching the "Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood" series.  Taking Fuhrer King Bradley's point of view:

Mengele was a GORRAM HERO, you insensitive clod.  GET OFF MY LAWN!!!

Khee,,,

;-D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fullmetal_Alchemist:_Brotherhood

...and here I am shamelessly plugging my latest favorite anime. 

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 08:52 | 5075661 Cognitive Dissonance
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We are all conditioned from birth to be whores to the machine. For many it is only a question of price. For a few others there are deeper questions that need to be asked and answered, beginning with ourselves. I began asking those questions when I was young, then drifted away as I entered several decades of drugged mindless bliss.

I have returned to the questions of my youth. Better late than never. :)

Mrs. Cog is haunting this thread as I write. She says Hi.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 10:39 | 5076071 Ocean22
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((((Conditioned from birth))))

Yes it's called the matrix and it's real. There is a reason Hollywood ( who controls Hollywood?) makes movies like the "THE MATRIX". They are mocking us. It's called the " revelation of the method". You see it in all kind is Hollywood productions. They are TELLING us exactly what they are doing to us, yet we do nothing. Just like this article states. They are feeding upon us. There is a cure for cancer. It's called apricot seeds. Watch " a world without cancer" on you tube. They are FEEDING upon our misery. Sickening. Wake up!!!

We are scared rabbits. Stockholm syndrome. It's even worse than you think. Check this out.

http://youtu.be/ZLMkO3oztT0

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 11:20 | 5076329 Cognitive Dissonance
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"They are TELLING us exactly what they are doing to us, yet we do nothing."

The technique is sometimes called informed or implied consent. You are told what they are doing, often indirectly, then it is up to you to do something about it.

"Hey....I warned them I was going to screw them over. Not my fault if they did nothing."

Another way of doing this is what often happens in the sales office at the car dealership. Rather than ask if the prospect wants to buy the car, ask them if they prefer the blue or red one they saw, then pull out the sales contract and start filling in blanks. It is surprising how often that works. People want permission from an 'authority' to do what they want to do anyway. If they didn't 'want' to buy that new car they wouldn't be at the dealership.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 10:38 | 5075722 messymerry
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Actually, I had an ancillary thought to this.  There is an old saying on Wall St.:  "The market is driven by two emotions, greed and fear.".  This is such a big statement.  It's more than the market, it's pretty much all of life.  If you look at almost every clinical manifestation of both individuals and groups, the seed of their problems lies in one or the other or both of these two simple words.  In the case of minions to the psychopaths, it's greed for some of that pie I mentioned and fear that they might feel discomfort.  This is what drives minions to be minions...

Please ask Tyler to give us a larger font on the comment editing box.  I'm going blind trying to type comments, and that is a source of many of the typos...

OBTW, I didn't wake up until I was 28 and then it took me an additional 16 years before I could escape the clutches of the "man". 

Later mon,

 

 

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 08:43 | 5075615 sam site
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Excellent topic.  Few understand how we have been conditioned, but as I've been detoxing and have been reversing this process, I've come to understand how this conditioning is based on a physical poisoning agenda by our sick rulers. 

Our clever hidden rulers know this and they place toxic metals and chemicals in our food, water and medicine in order to disable our health in order to put us in a diseased and survival mode state that keeps us horney constantly. 

This constant urge to mate because our health has been compromised is the tether that captures us to others.  Otherwise we wouldn't care if we had a mate or our peers accepted us in order find mates.

About the only "human nature" attribute I've ever noticed as universal is the need to get the truth out in an atmosphere of suppression.  Utube, Natural News and even this comment section is proof of that. 

You rightly point out that people believe they are sane and healthy and you can't convince them they have been mentally captured.  Well I'm here to tell you that it's based on the physical capture of toxic injury.  This poisoning agenda includes the deliberate farming of poisoned food with little nutrition and a war on nutritional supplements to make sure we don't reverse the poisoning and detoxify.  

Our rulers don't inject our newborns with a toxic Hepatitis shot within an hour of birth because they are worried they will contract a skid row disease from dirty needles or unsafe sex.  It's the beginning of the physical poisoning that leads to the mental conditioning.  Every vaccine contains toxic Mercury, Aluminum, neurotoxic MSG and Formaldehyde embalming fluid.  Want proof - read this.

http://www.naturalnews.com/037653_vaccine_additives_thimerosal_formaldehyde.html

Our rulers even secretly add Cupric Sulfate Pesticide into our infant formula.  Read this.

http://www.naturalnews.com/040569_pesticides_baby_formula_heavy_metals.html

And that's not even talking about the infectous agent added to the vaccines that supposedly give us immunity.  Neurosurgeon Dr Russell Blaylock believes these agents start a virtual brushfire in the brain for life and cause Autism and Schitzophrenia.  View this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB3xcN_eoPo

Physically healthy people are independent minded and not susceptable to peer pressure and subtle conditioning.  They don't need mates or groups and have strong clear and critical thinking skills. 

This world conjured up by these secret ruling psychopaths is a collosal hoax and represents nothing like it was intended when it was created.  Fortunately in this upcoming collapse, we have a chance to show the world our true potential, ushering in a golden age of health, harmony and happiness.

    

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 10:44 | 5076094 Ocean22
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Here is the physical poising agenda. This is NO JOKE.

WAKE UP AND LIVE!

http://youtu.be/oqB4L-V67iM 15 min long and it will change your life.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 06:58 | 5075436 notadouche
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"A sane person to an insane society must appear insane"

Kurt Vonnegut, "Welcome to the Monkey House"

 

"In a mad world only the mad are sane"

Akiro Kurosawa

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 16:14 | 5075691 Cognitive Dissonance
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A man driving by the state mental hospital had a blowout and stopped to change his tire. While doing so he dropped the lug nuts down the storm sewer. Angry at his carelessness he began to calculate the walk to town to purchase replacements.

His labors had attracted an audience of insane asylum residents. Just before he set off to town one of the inmates chimed in. "Why don't you take one lug nut off each of the other three wheels and use them to put the fourth tire on. That will get you to town and the parts store."

Amazed at the brilliance of the solution he turned to the inmate and asked how he figured that out.

Came the reply, "I may be crazy, but I ain't stupid."

I often state that the only reason those people are locked up is because they are in the minority, not that they are any less sane than the majority.  :)

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 05:37 | 5075366 Edelweiss
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 Thanks for the article CD.  From my perspective you are asking questions that lead to an important discussion.  The problem is that few of us want to be a part of that discussion. 

  My experience has shown me that the vast majority of people live reactively.  Assuming they don't experience anything that precipitates a crisis of faith/belief in their status quo, they are unlikely to change.  To me, truth has an inertial component.  The longer you believe something, the less likely it is that your belief will change. Someone who feels compelled to ask the uncomfortable questions is an anomaly.  I suspect they always will be.  Historically,  who would be more likely to survive, and then raise, and influence the next generation?  Who would fare better throughout human existence?  Those with an organized, mob mentality, or the individual?

  With respect to what's generally regarded as "human nature" (ie. forming complex societal structures, moral codes, conformity,etc.), it seems that it has, and does now assist humanity in a variety of ways.  It can obviously be incredibly destructive, as we all know.  To me, it's the price paid for having gotten this far. 

 

   

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 08:05 | 5075533 Cognitive Dissonance
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When I am able to subdue my ego and wrestle it down to slightly less than 'gargantuan' I try to remember one thing.

The more certain I think I am, the higher the likelihood I am wrong for the simple reasons that I am unwilling to consider any other alternative plus I have now embodied my belief so tightly to 'me' that to question what I 'know' is to question the very basis of 'me'.

Can't have that, now can we?  :-)

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 14:29 | 5077574 Edelweiss
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  Probing the core of who we believe we are is essential to avoiding the pitfalls of conditioning.  What amazes me, is that resisting that conditioning is an ongoing process in my life.  If you aren't vigilant, the old ways can resurface very easily. 

  In my mind, it makes the indoctrination of children in many cultures (U.S. included) absolutely indidious.  They are frequently bred to be slaves, where creativity is discouraged, and compliance is valued over critical thinking.  For example, I routinely meet, work with, and talk to younger men(I'm 42) and women with no practical skills (gardening, fixing a car, home repairs, etc.) and don't see the value of it. The bias many have, is that "we" have somehow outgrown, and moved beyond that.  They are easy prey for a leviathan state that places little value on their lives. 

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 16:12 | 5078384 Cognitive Dissonance
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Hard to think a 42 year old person is carrying the torch for the 'old' ways. Sad...very sad indeed.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 19:11 | 5079323 Edelweiss
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  When I encounter people who are inclined to ask the uncomfortable questions, I encourage it.  My experience is that you cannot "convert" anyone, but can facillitate to some extent introspection in that person.  They are rare, so I make the effort to engage them when possible. 

  For myself, I canceled cable, read more diverse sources of information, stopped working extra hours, and committed to learning to do anything that you can (practically) for yourself.  Less investment in the machine, and more for myself. I'm living a more fulfilling life as a result.  The more you resist the attempts of the herd to make you fall in line, the easier it becomes. 

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 03:59 | 5075285 Lookout Mountain
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Epigentic memory passed on at meisosis is a hot area for research. The ability of DNA to store vast amounts of information may show that the amount of biologic data gathered during one generation and passed on to the next is greater than ever imagined and may be correlated to knowledge and behavior that we currently attribute to learning and behavioral development. This might explain the variances in peoples and cultures located in different enivornments, for example. Whereas it has been theorized that cultures found in hot humid jungles are not as prone to achieve high accomplishments in art, math, and science due to the climate, it seems as likely that there may be a epigenetic basis for their characteristics. Not this would be "normal", per your discussion. Is it an adaptive advantage? If one believes in evolutionary theory, perhaps so, but aside from that flawed theory, it may be there is a persistent epigenetic code that may be a hinderance, if indeed we establish that advances in art, math, and science are normal or even superior to their absence.

My own life subjective experience does support your thoughts as to "normal" behavior and responses may actually be pathogic. After acquiring several medical issues in my 40's, I was mentally, spiritually, and phsyically a wreck by my mid 50's. I did the insane and quit a comfortable professon and income, exchanging it for simplicity, and what I might have once thought of as near-poverty. I labor some physically in the moutains for a small income. After two years, my medical and mental health had improved in a major.  The more time I live each week in the mountains, the more calm my dispostion and peaceful my soul. I have had much time to observe the locals, who live on a fraction of the income of a city person. To may amazement they are not poor in any sense of the word, but rich in personality, peace, and good will. An improved diet, a huge loss in weight, and a freeing of my mind to relearn life has shown me that I was, at least for my self, in an pathologic environment previously, from childhood to the exit from my career.

Is the agrarian lifestyle more conducive to a healthier norm? Is the shere amount of biologic and cognitive stimulus in what we think of as a normal environment and lifestyle actually producing dysfunction and dysthymia?  For me, yes.  

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 07:30 | 5075479 NoPension
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I'll take a stab at your previous comfortable profession;
You wrote research papers that where circulated between college professors. You got extra points for using words no one ever heard of. The readers wouldn't admit they had no clue, because it would make them look stupid. But no one had a clue what you where saying, and you got paid well.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 03:56 | 5075284 Lookout Mountain
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Epigentic memory passed on at meisosis is a hot area for research. The ability of DNA to store vast amounts of information may show that the amount of biologic data gathered during one generation and passed on to the next is greater than every imagined and is correlated to knowledge and behavior that we currently attribute to learning and behavioral development. This might explain the variances in peoples and cultures located in different enivornments, for example. Whereas it has been theorized that cultures found in hot humid jungles are not as prone to achieve high accomplishments in art, math, and science due to the climate, it seems as likely that there may be a epigenetic basis for their characteristics. Not this would be "normal", per your discussion. Is it an adaptive advantage? If one believes in evolutionary theory, perhaps so, but aside from that flawed theory, it may be there is a persistent epigenetic code that may be a hinderance, if indeed we establish that advances in art, math, and science are normal or even superior to their absence.

My own life subjective experience does support your thoughts as to "normal" behavior and responses may actually be pathogic. After acquiring several medical issues in my 40's, I was mentally, spiritually, and phsyically a wreck by my mid 50's. I did the insane and quit a comfortable professon and income, exchanging it for simplicity, and what I might have once thought of as near-poverty. I labor some physically in the moutains for a small income. After two years, my medical and mental health had improved in a major.  The more time I live each week in the mountains, the more calm my dispostion and peaceful my soul. I have had much time to observe the locals, who live on a fraction of the income of a city person. To may amazement they are not poor in any sense of the word, but rich in personality, peace, and good will. An improved diet, a huge loss in weight, and a freeing of my mind to relearn life has shown me that I was, at least for my self, in an pathologic environment previously, from childhood to the exit from my career.

Is the agrarian lifestyle more conducive to a healthier norm? Is the shere amount of biologic and cognitive stimulus in what we think of as a normal environment and lifestyle actually producing dysfunction and dysthymia?  For me, yes.  

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 01:50 | 5075168 ebworthen
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Thanks C.D., good stuff.

I myself am looking forward to the next season of "Vikings" on the History Channel.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 07:59 | 5075522 Cognitive Dissonance
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Mrs. Cog and I cut the DirecTV cord some months ago and now have a simple antenna for a few over the air channels to watch for when they televise the revolution.

I haven't turned on the TV for weeks (didn't turn it on when we had DirecTV either) and didn't know about Vikings. I am most grateful our internet connection is so slow up here on the mountain that video streaming is often impossible. What I don't know watch won't corrupt me. :-)

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 01:10 | 5075103 malek
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 a runaway fiat candy machine

You have a way with words, CD!
The above triggered so many colorful associations and recombinations I had to pause for a long moment....

Also agree to the article,
although I believe that depth of thought will always remain hobbyhorse of a few - many cannot bear that magnitude of self-scrutinizing.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 07:55 | 5075514 Cognitive Dissonance
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While curiosity cannot be forced in someone it can be carefully encouraged. To do so takes brave and courageous teachers and parents though because to encourage someone to ask questions runs the risk of that person questioning you and your beliefs.

To help someone rock their own world means they will eventually rock yours.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 11:09 | 5076258 HardAssets
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John Taylor Gatto was named Teacher of the Year for NY State and for NYC several times. He taught kids in rich neighborhoods and in poor ones. He found that, once you got past some of the rough edges, children were similar in their capacity to learn and be creative.

At the time of the American Revolution, the literacy rate was very high - above 95%. This was not the situation in Europe, and this was commented upon by European observers. * A very popular book in the early 1800s in America was The Last of the Mohicans. It was read by something like 20-30% of Americans at that time, mostly farmers and small businessmen. It is a very difficult book with many historical references. University students find it very difficult today. * Look up the exam papers for children from the 1800s and as recently as the 1950s. With this means of making a comparison, it is very obvious how much 'schooling' has been dumbed down today.

Human beings have far more potential than they realize. The psychopath controllers know this. That's why they put so much effort into trying to put down the 'common' man. They know curious, creative, and independent minded human beings would be a threat to their system of slavery.

IMO it wouldn't take much to release this inherent human potential. Just get out of the way of it. Teach the next generation not to fear being free.

 

'Freedom':  to do as you want and live as you like, as long as you do not violate the rights of others. To refuse to initiate violence against others (though you do have the right to defend yourself). To not allow violent acts to be commited by those called 'authorities', including those wearing certain clothing called 'uniforms'.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 23:53 | 5074985 JoJoJo
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ISIS believes its cause is quite sane and you must believe that or they will cut your head off.Some of us believe that you must be born again and we will not cut your head off for not believing.

Years ago I told a  Va psychiatrist that Jesus healed me. The VA then proceeded to increase my benefits. Without God's guidance our animal natures tend to dominate - some more than others.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 04:41 | 5075309 ebear
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"Some of us believe that you must be born again and we will not cut your head off for not believing."

No, you'll just change the curriculum to put your beliefs on the same footing as scientific fact.

One thing common to all creatures as a feature of their existence (nature) is uncertainty.

How you deal with that speaks directly to what CD is saying.  Like the little boy with the ISIS dad from a few posts back, you had no more say in the childhood indoctrination than he does.  You just got a milder dose of the poison.

Even if you broke with that, your first impulse would be to replace the resulting uncertainty with a new set of beliefs.  That's how deep the programming lies: at the very root of who you are.

Certainty and Conviction are your natural enemies, brother.  Invite them in, and they will rule you, instead of you them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjeIHOOSL5w

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 08:01 | 5075526 The Wedge
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And some want to force their beliefs on others and don't even realize it. Sometimes they regurgitate Catholic dogma without knowing. Ounce you invite that in, your just another religious tyrant. Couch it whatever guise you like, it's the same and definitely human nature. But if you resist this urge that runs through us all you are a shining example of human nature.

This brought to you by a long time atheist who long ago realized life was much better with humility towards those who believe differently than I. With reason and levity of course, as pointed out some who believe differently than I would like me to die.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 16:05 | 5078346 ebear
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Tolerance may be granted, but respect must be earned.

I have no respect for people who indoctrinate children into beliefs for which no substantial evidence exists.   

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 08:23 | 5075565 overmedicatedun...
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we have drugs (media or propaganda, schools, laws, rulers to treat that problem.).zen is a way for some to see what IS. a way to see your mind as a tool and/or as a controller..what is not able to be written is that "other" beyond self..zen flesh zen bones are what the mind fixes on, not zen spirit, which is freedom from suffering..

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 07:51 | 5075501 Cognitive Dissonance
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"Even if you broke with that, your first impulse would be to replace the resulting uncertainty with a new set of beliefs.  That's how deep the programming lies: at the very root of who you are."

And precisely why so many people refuse to even seriously consider they are trained and conditioned, manipulated even. The ego is such a powerful force behind that denial that even when confronted with their conditioning they will soften the idea by saying it is simple freedom of choice and they choose this or that.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 23:19 | 5074874 new game
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Short comment, observing animals, nature, and the interactions, I have learned that most of what we do is needless progamed bullshit!(TV). The line of normal is straight and logical, most of all, common sense. What is conditioned out of the Human species is this common sense of action(s)! Hence so many fucking idiots that have no ability to link cause and effect. But, alas, the situation provides many advantages and opportunities...cog, keep observing, and you will see how frivolous are many of the things we do. Your yard is a great lab! You will discover "Normal".

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 04:48 | 5075318 ebear
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Common sense led people to believe that heavy objects fall faster than light ones.  Afterall, it was self-evident.  A rock falls faster than a feather.

Common sense assured us that the Earth was the center of the universe, and that everything else revolved around it.

Common sense told us the Earth was flat and if you went too far you'd fall off the edge.

There's lots more, but I think (hope) you get the idea.

 

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 08:10 | 5075541 new game
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I was speaking to the focus of the article; human conditioning, not science. But you have a way of finding the exception and miss the point. Perhaps you should consider politics...

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 02:39 | 5080776 ebear
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"But you have a way of finding the exception and miss the point."

Read my work, have you?  Then you probably know I have a deep aversion to abstract nouns.  

I used the scientific examples because they made the clearest case for the point at hand.

Don't know if that was "common sense" but it made sense to me;)

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 08:28 | 5075573 Cognitive Dissonance
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Too funny.

Regarding you comment above about exploring my yard.......

We live at the end of a dirt road off the end of another dirt road off a paved road out in the middle of nowhere up here on the mountain. When we bought this place I commented to Mrs. Cog that contrary to most of her life's experience, here we are intruding upon mother nature and not the other way around. Just don't cut the lawn for a month and watch what happens. Wait a year or so and you will no longer see the house from the road.

And don't get me started on the wild life. Lions, tigers and bears oh my. Well...no tigers but bears, bobcats, mountain lions, deer, wild turkeys, copper heads and timber rattlers, lots of rodents and other furry creatures etc etc etc.

It is a glorious education and I am taking rabid notes.  :)

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 22:17 | 5074766 mayhem_korner
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But considering we are born the purest of individual humans

 

Do you mean by "purist" that we are born unconditioned by the world, or that we are born "good-natured" as opposed to "evil-natured"?  If the former, fine; if the latter, it's an ideological statement not necessarily borne out in truth.

Every evidence points to the fact that humans are born with a nature to please themselves.   How "good-natured" one is is a reflection of one's relative ability to suppress that nature in certain situations.  But that doesn't change the underlying "nature" of humans, which is consistent today with that recorded over thousands of years.

Maybe semantics, but human nature to me defies time and the ebb and flow of social norms.  Behaviors may be shaped and may change, but the underlying nature of humans does not.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 22:39 | 5074828 Cognitive Dissonance
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I meant "that we are born unconditioned by the world".

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 06:53 | 5075349 Ghordius
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yet as soon as we are born, "conditioning" starts, doesn't it? more often than not with a mother that instils us with many, many ideas, starting with the very "mother tongue", the language that we learn on her lap - which is the operating system of our brains

you put the finger exactly in the wound I often have the impression that your philosophical school likes to forget

our immediate "social conditioning", what Germans call "socialization", and what US Democrats mean in their "it takes a village..." meme

which many Americans look like hating to even contemplate, because it dispels the individualistic myth that is part of the very culture

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when Gorgo, Queen of Sparta, visited Athens, it was a diplomatic and cultural sensation. Many of the best thinkers of the city wanted to talk to the legendary political advisor (from the age of 13!) of her father, the former King of Sparta, which led to several anti-Persian alliances that Athens wanted, before. For Athenian power-brokers, it was like meeting the Kissinger of their times, "the fair hand that protected Hellas from Persia", the master-mind of many alliances, as well as a renowed poetress, athlete, cunning spy-mistress, experienced oracle-reading priestess, a mean chariot driver and owner of important horse breeding stables, famous dancer and natural philosophy thinker... and - gasp - a woman!

In one of the most famous public debates in her honour she was asked why Spartiate women were so free. In Athens, women were often veiled and mostly kept segregated in the upper floor of the houses of their fathers or husbands. quite in contrast with Sparta, where women were everywhere, and it was not uncommon to see them naked when bathing or exercising

Gorgo replied: "because we bear real warriors"

what Gorgo, with her cultural laconic habit of giving very terse, minimalistic replies did not mention was that Spartiate women gave their male children in the age of 7 to the barracks, to be raised further in military drills and war until they were 30, while being supplied in everything, from food to weapons, from their households of origin, usually led - in the economic sense - by women

so yes, Gorgo was right. it took Spartiate women to create the military state that was Sparta. it was Spartan mothers that gave the shield in a cerimony with the words "come back on it (i.e. dead) or with it (i.e. victorious)". it was Spartan mothers that replied, when asked by their sons why their swords were so short compared to the other Greeks: "so that you do that extra step (and stab your opponent in the face was left out as unnecessary wording)"

when the army was far away, the political democracy (actually more a noble republic) that Spartans had did not stop, then being the mother of a warrior gave her the right to vote in assembly, even on war or peace. and because the core (Spartiate) army was often away often mobilizing even before any political decisions were taken...

Spartan women were completely misunderstood, even then. Gorgo, for example, was the daughter of a Spartan King, the wife of a Spartan King, the mother in law of Spartan Kings. Why? Well, because she was the daugher of the Queen, and the only way of being King of Sparta was to be the husband of the current Queen

which leads you to why the legendary War of Troy was necessary: Menelaus had to get Helena, the Queen of Sparta... back. Or cease being King. When he came back... well, he died because the daughter of the Queen wanted to get rid of him

and here we are talking about the immense cultural force behind motherhood on men that were shaped only 7 years directly by their mothers. though don't even think for a moment that when the same men came back after 23 years of military service... that they were even asked how to run their households (including slaves and serfs, of course) or the Spartan economy in general. why should they even think about interfering? Mother had anyway a bride for them (nope, no choice for grooms), then after war, their main job... was being a military reserve and sire new warriors. which makes the stories Greeks loved to gossip about of how Spartans "lent" their wifes to friends... appear in context

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culture shapes us. including the American Myth of The Ultimate Individual

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 02:57 | 5080792 Ghordius
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"For thousands of years psychopaths have ruled the human race utilizing various psychologically damaging methods and techniques, all with the ultimate purpose of control and exploitation. The very institutions and governments we allow to exist are there solely to herd and control the masses for the benefit of the few at the expense of the many. In so many ways caged from birth, is it any wonder we exhibit clear and disturbing signs of depression, neurosis and self destructive behavior?"

and this is where I have my conflict with the views of the author. the "psychopaths" might rule, but their legacy is in cultural institutions, which on a human level are our natural state. we cannot thrive without language, the very first cultural institution we are confronted with, and language is part of the many "cages" which shape us in the context of culture

the "cage" is other people's expectations, starting with our mothers (or motherly surrugates)

meanwhile, there are cultures that foster depression, neurosis and self destructive behaviour, or foster political systems that do the same, or "herd and control the masses". this is the bad thing about cultures, though the good thing is that they are ductile, malleable, can be changed

but it all starts with language on mother's knees, and culture in general, which imho should not be seen as a "cage" but more like the shell the hermit crabs pick up during their lives. we cannot live - we cannot even function without language/culture. an item we receive from others. the hermit crab also needs this external shell from other species

the cognitive dissonance lies in not recognizing what "our nature" is. and to come back to Spartans, their philosophical master piece: "Know Thyself"

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 08:50 | 5075650 Arius
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" for Athenian powerbrokers it was like meeting the Kissenger of their times"

 

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