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Military Coup In Iraq: Prime Minister Maliki Refuses To Step Down; Security Forces On Alert, Encircle Presidential Palace

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Just days after the US launched a campaign that implicitly aides the current regime headed by the supposedly outgoing PM, al-Maliki, it appears that latest US intervention has already led to "unexpected" consequences, this time with the prime minister appearing to have just staged a coup overthrowing Iraq's president President Fouad Massoum moments ago.

Reuters reports that the prime minister "indicated that he will not drop his bid for a third term and accused the president of violating the constitution in a tough televised speech likely to deepen political tensions as a Sunni insurgency rages. Maliki, seen as an authoritarian and sectarian leader, has defied calls by Sunnis, Kurds, some fellow Shi'ites and regional power broker Iran to step aside for a less polarising figure who can unite Iraqis against Islamic State militants.

The days of Iraq's president appear numbered:

Bloomberg adds that Maliki says he’s going to federal court to sue President Fouad Masoum for violating the constitution, according to comments made to Iraqi state television. President Masoum in breach when he extended constitutional period for chosing a candidiate to form government and for missing deadline for new period, according to Maliki. Maliki adds that Masoum is in a "coup against the poilitical process” that would lead “Iraq into a dark tunnel.” Maliki warned Presidential council, parliament and federal court about Masoum.

The news has promptly led the WaPo Beirut chief correspondent Liz Sly to ask the question: did Baghdad just have a coup 3 days after the US conducted its fourth military intervention under as many US presidents?

Others are inclined to agree:

And according to less credible sources, the army is already in play:

Odd timing indeed. One thing is certain: the US will not let this crisis go to waste either.

However, what makes this particular development especially interesting is that a very organized ISIS is already doing its best to conquer the Iraq capital. A very disorganized army coup may be all that was needed to facilitate this goal, and to put the Iraq oil trade "in play" once again.

And the worst news of all: Obama two-week vacation on Martha's Vineyard is ruined one day after it started.

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Update: things are not looking good:

Update 2: BAGHDAD GREEN ZONE CLOSED, TANKS DEPLOY IN CAPITAL: AL-MADA - BBG

 

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Sun, 08/10/2014 - 17:55 | 5073733 RacerX
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moar Costs..

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:11 | 5073786 Carpenter1
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Well, if ISIS is half serious about Baghdad, they should be hitting full force.

 

 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:12 | 5073795 johngaltfla
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Time to draft those unemployed US 18 year olds and send them to do the jobs terrorists won't do.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:18 | 5073822 negative rates
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Don't we know there is a war going on over there?

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:24 | 5073838 Keyser
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ISIS is at the gates of Baghdad and Malaki throws a wobbly... You can't make this shit up... 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:24 | 5073854 uno
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let's put Simon Elliot in charge of Iraq, he's good at following Mossad/CIA orders

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:28 | 5073873 algol_dog
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Put Dick Chaney in charge. I'm sure he'll know what to do -

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:32 | 5073877 Supernova Born
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Chaos and refugees. The plan for plunder.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:33 | 5073905 uno
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why Iraq and not the USA

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:38 | 5073927 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Could the USSA have fucked up Iraq anymore...?

I suppose nuking the place or otherwise making it completely inhospitable for life would be worse, but this cluster-fuck is surely a close second.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:38 | 5073932 quintago
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Well...it looks like Iran found its successor to Maliki it was looking for. He'll be introduced right after Maliki is introduced to the curb.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:41 | 5073951 linniepar
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Been waiting g for a juicy news story al weekend.  Everyone KNEW it was coming.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:59 | 5074038 TahoeBilly2012
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How is that fuckwit McCain still parading around? What an asshole, we should send him on a one way ticket to Tikrit.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:01 | 5074048 Publicus
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Obama 2016?

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:10 | 5074094 0b1knob
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< Shoots himself 300 times with a machine gun from 200 feet away.

< Self inflicted air strike.

How will Maliki commit suicide?   Much like Diem in 1963 Viet Nam, he became 'inconvenient."

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:33 | 5074199 Keyser
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The US has been bombing the shit out of Iraq for over 20 years... It's like an old friend where you can dump munitions and it makes the MIC happy... 

 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 20:00 | 5074304 Vampyroteuthis ...
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We can send the organization formally known as Blackwater over there to clean this up. The can take care of the problem and kill every innocent Iraqi left including women and children.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 20:05 | 5074325 NoDebt
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The US Administration will be out shortly screaming "IT'S NOT A COUP!  IT'S NOT A COUP!"

And the military aid will continue, just like Egypt.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 20:23 | 5074380 Latina Lover
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New World Order:  welcome to Amerika.  This is your life under hard fascism.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 21:14 | 5074548 gmrpeabody
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OK somebody...

remind me..., who's on our side again?

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 21:18 | 5074562 eatthebanksters
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'Sadaam a liki!'

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 22:12 | 5074751 linniepar
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Hard fascism. Stealing it. So true.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 22:57 | 5074865 MagicHandPuppet
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FORWARD!!!

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 23:15 | 5074897 Quus Ant
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I don't know if you folks know InformationClearingHouse

It's a decent aggregate site.  Staunchly anti-war, anti-Zion and anti-NeoCon. 

And their website is currently suspended. 

Does it mean anything? 

maybe.

 

Interesting timing at the least.

 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 23:19 | 5074915 Four chan
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there goes the neighborhood.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 23:22 | 5074920 Quus Ant
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I don't believe in coincidences. 

Nice rack BTW. 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 23:23 | 5074922 Drunk In Church
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Maliki's head will soon be on a pole.  But that's always been par for the course--historically speaking.  Bitchez.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 01:37 | 5075125 ebworthen
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Hi.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 05:07 | 5075333 ACP
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"Well, that escalated quickly."

It's official, Iraq as one state is done, CIA begins arming Kurds directly, mere hours after the coup:

http://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-us-sending-arms-kurds-iraq-080145655.html

 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 21:38 | 5074633 Son of Loki
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<< OK somebody... remind me..., who's side are we on again? >>

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 23:17 | 5074907 Keyser
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Who, them or us? 

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 02:29 | 5075206 Manthong
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Well, they have a murdering slave owning pedophile camel jockey..

And we just have a wookie-linked president with dubious credentials but who has managed to spend more time on golf courses in seven years than most of us could dream of in a lifetime. .

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 06:27 | 5075403 Mesquite
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Perhaps more accurate to ask: 

Who's side are we on..?

*Well, I see trying to respond 

in an exploding thread is futile..

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 22:24 | 5074782 Paveway IV
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>WFT? It's NOT a coup. Israel and the U.S. have decided they don't like the current elected official of a soverign nation and want him forced out now. THAT's a coup. By the way, Israel and the U.S. are the ones that picked that psycho to be PM to begin with. Reap what you sow.

"...A sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government..." THAT's a coup.

I see even Tyler got caught up in the hysteria:

"Military Coup In Iraq: Prime Minister Maliki Refuses To Step Down; Security Forces On Alert, Encircle Presidential Palace"

 

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 04:27 | 5075306 FreedomGuy
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Yeah, I bet you saw this coming a mile away, right? So, tell us who Israel and the USSA will replace him with and why?

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 04:50 | 5075319 Paveway IV
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Why are you asking me? Watch CNN or read the New York Times - they're paid to tell you that.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 01:47 | 5080686 FreedomGuy
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I want to get it here from the people who absolutely KNOW what is going on in the smoke filled back rooms of their favorite conspiracy groups. Maybe someone could link to an Adobe file of the minutes of their last meeting.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 20:06 | 5074328 Nom de Guerre
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ASS-ociated Press:  In a shocking turn of events, Prime Minister Maliki has died of an apparent accident.  Members of his security team report that shortly before his death, the Prime Minister was seen to be attempting to simultaneously juggle a chainsaw, grenade and a cobra.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:59 | 5074042 Publicus
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Sun, 08/10/2014 - 22:37 | 5074817 jeff montanye
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good point.

obknob1 or something, above, makes another one when comparing the current iraqi situation to saigon '63 and the assassination of diem:

http://www.google.com/search?q=diem%20assassination&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 02:42 | 5075217 Chandos
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Publicus said: « . »

Good point...

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 20:18 | 5074363 WhackoWarner
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ARE NOT GOING TO NUKE OIL.  Nice try Chaney et al,  But when push comes to pump the only question is "How come you are sitting on my (USA) oil wells?"  So inconvenient that you have all these diverse people sitting on "MY OIL".

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 20:29 | 5074402 WhackoWarner
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In Canada we just finsished apologizing for a century of forced assimilation (bunch of garbage that was courtesy of Nazi Harper) .  Is that nor what is happening here?  What the fuck are you Arabs doing on my God given right to own all OIL on the planet?  And who the frig do you think you are?  Self-determinataion?  Fuck you I will determine for you. I will steal everything including your dignity.  I will airlift your gold. I wiill force creation of a usary central bank. I will put you under our thumb and steal every piece of infrastructure and resource. I will let Blackwater determine your internal security. I WILL TAKE THE OIL YOU THINK YOU OWN.

Syria?  Iran? Iraq? Saudi? Yemen? Kuwait? etc. etc. etc.  What the fuck are you doing on "MY OIL???".    signed  USA.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 20:56 | 5074475 Matt
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I think you are confused. The last residential schools closed before Harper came to power, and the forced sterilizations ended decades ago.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 21:12 | 5074542 max2205
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So bullish...

 

 

Green tonight

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 22:21 | 5074775 nmewn
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Leftwing canuks are at home in a world of confusion.

Its easier to blame someone else for their being confused ;-)

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 00:44 | 5075069 Terminus C
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I think he's refering to Harper's appolgy to the natives for the assimilation (Borg style).

As for 'politics' in any nation... same as it ever was.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 08:31 | 5075579 Rootin' for Putin
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Which is a shame as they have a kid every year from 13 onwards.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 21:29 | 5074599 booboo
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Odds favour two monkeys fucking the Presidents nuclear football would have done less damage.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 00:09 | 5075009 Dubaibanker
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You have to watch this PBS documentary to understand who is the force behind Iraq's current situation.

George Bush once said: "Bring them on, we got the force necessary to deal with the security situation"

Analyst: "Iraq is a country which is not normal and Obama wanted to normalise Iraq"

The most important decision made by Paul Bremmer to remove over 20,000 Baath party members from their jobs which was order No .1 in Iraq in 2003 and Paul Bremmer says at 13:00 that he does not remember having conversations with 2 top commanders with deep knowledge of Iraqi and Middle Eastern history.

Abu Ghraib prison was created just because US did not have sufficient intelligence on the resources of the Iraqis fighting for freedom. Neutral Iraqis went to prison in order for the US to gather intelligence and when they came out, they were hard core elements against the US.

And, then the 'surge' happened in mid 2007.

Between 2011 and mid 2014, there was just one visit by a US cabinet level official to Iraq.

"20% of Iraq's Sunni population have risen up against the Govt in Baghdad encouraged by the Syrian war." "The bloody conclusion of Hamlet and Macbeth, Act 5, has still not happened"

LOSING IRAQ

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 01:50 | 5075165 monoloco
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This is nothing, after another decade and another few trillion dollars in borrowed Chinese money, we'll show them what really fucked up looks like.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 06:01 | 5075381 Dubaibanker
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Thanks for making me laugh, :), even though it is at the expense of all of US and all the millions who will die in the search for 'freedom and democracy'! Whatever happened to peace and friendship? 

What about the white doves we used to release for each other and created the UN to discuss world peace? Or creation of the Nobel Peace Prize...oops...shouldn't have reached here....;)

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:39 | 5073936 knukles
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What was it? 5,000 US nationals at the embassy in the Green Zone, bunches and bunches of advisers, 300 troopies sent in about a month ago?
Burn 'em like Benghazi O'Bombzi time?

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:44 | 5073964 linniepar
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Wouldn't be surprised.  I mean, what do you do with all those mul-surp bombs stockpiling? Textbook shit.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 02:41 | 5075216 Manthong
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We need to F those pagan bastards royally.

Impose Obamcare on them..

 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 20:28 | 5074399 Theosebes Goodfellow
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Fall of Saigon 2.0

Just wait for the Hueys.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 21:54 | 5074696 mkkby
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White house is still figuring out how Bush can be blamed for this.  Load speech into teleprompter and call the orator in chief back from his latest golf outing.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 23:00 | 5074873 spinone
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Because he invaded iraq in the first place, destabilized the country and killed Saddam.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 23:09 | 5074889 NoPension
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Uh...umm....uh....um...ahhh.....ummm.. Folks.......um.....ah......um...I was thinkin'......um....ah........ummmm....uhhhh........

Fuck me, leave him golf. Put the White House chef in charge.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 03:05 | 5075236 ebear
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The Expendables

Life imitates art...

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:33 | 5073907 CheapBastard
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Security Forces simply want to give him some of that there 'humanitarian aide," right?

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:30 | 5074178 toady
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Wait, are these the same Iraqi troops that dropped their weapons and ran a month ago? Tell the dude to light some firecrackers and they'll run away.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 20:12 | 5074347 HamFistedIdiot
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The storyline is that they ran. But they didn't run. They had 10x the firepower and manpower over ISIS. It was a planned standdown and retreat. The Zionists don't want Baghdad cozying up to Iran, and they need Iraq split into 3 separate states. ISIS are Zbigniew Brzezinski's demonic spawn, tools of the NWO.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 22:46 | 5074838 jeff montanye
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this is a cruel nightmare story you are spreading.  too bad it's true.

here's one (the zionists are trying to close these accounts, check the first one in a google search of "israel's plan to split iraq in three"):

http://rehmat1.com/2014/06/12/iraq-civil-war-or-israeli-plan-to-divide-t...

 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:40 | 5073937 TheRideNeverEnds
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This should help levitate the market another percent or five this week....

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 20:11 | 5074344 Piranha
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put joe bidens son in charge, oh right he already got that job in ukraine

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 23:06 | 5074884 jballz
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I don't think even dick the Cheney could run the Iraqi government and ISIS at the same time.

Maybe though.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:50 | 5073862 The Big Ching-aso
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Hey is Maliki related to Baghdad Bob?

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:52 | 5074004 Rootin' for Putin
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No, but Jen Psaki is his redheaded stepchild

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:31 | 5073894 SilverRhino
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This is just fucking hilarious.   

ISIS at the gates and Malaki says fuck it "I'm the new Saddam" .... 

Iraq as a nation is FINISHED, just carve it up and pass it around.  

And well played Obama, you just managed to piss away $5 trillion and 4000+ lives the US lost trying to stabilize that shithouse.

 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:40 | 5073945 Herd Redirectio...
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Kurdistan, Iraq, and 'the other Iraq', coming right up.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 21:18 | 5074563 gmrpeabody
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"And well played Obama, you just managed to piss away $5 trillion and 4000+ lives the US lost trying to stabilize that shithouse."

And you thought it couldn't be done...

YES WE CAN!

 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 22:31 | 5074799 TabakLover
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Too funny dude..........like those lives and moolah had really bought us something.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:44 | 5073971 Dead Man Walking
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Obama studies Malaki, thinks the strategy just might work in DC....

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 20:07 | 5074332 NoDebt
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Obama could certainly do it.  Except for the fact he's too fucking lazy to even want to be president any longer.  He's already checked out and headed for a semi-permanent golf vacation.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 21:58 | 5074713 mkkby
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I keep dreaming our own generals will throw out Obama and put the entire civilian gov on trial for treason.

Hey US generals -- your family and friends have lost their constitutional rights too.  Do something about it.  You took an oath to the constitution, not to the traitor in chief.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 20:06 | 5073978 AssFire
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Funny if true. I assumed it was Malaki being forced out...I'm thinking the US is behind it and they are simply protecting the current puppet, ah I mean President of Iraq. But who knows, maybe Malaki has that kinda pull with the Shiite military and managed to instigate this. If true, this is another major (planned) failure of our "intelligence" groups.

All this bullshit to keep Iraq one nation was just to prolong our involvement and further decimate that shithouse nation. No one can argue that Kurds, Shiites and Sunnis don't hate one another passionately and should have been split up long ago.  I guess this way the US can still claim radical boogey men still exist and threaten our existence.

I remember the "Arab Spring" as fondly, as the the "Green Shoots" days. Holy fuck, the lies we are served up.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:52 | 5074001 algol_dog
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Shithouse is right and there is no way to stabilize that place. Until the US steps away from all these shit-holes of the world this will go on forever. They all depend on America to do something, in the order that they can continue with the status quo, carrying on with their prejudices and hatred. Let them rot in hell. When they realize that know one in the world gives a shit anymore, they will finally have to learn to get along or annihilate each other. Either option is better than us having to deal with it. It's their fucking problem. Let them fix it.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:52 | 5074229 TahoeBilly2012
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Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:35 | 5074214 Keyser
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The US has fucked up every single foreign policy decision since the end of WWII... Not a single correct policy decision has been made for the wellfare of the people, only for the growing beast known as the MIC... 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:52 | 5074008 Jumbotron
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ISIS is at the gates of Baghdad and Malaki throws a wobbly... You can't make this shit up...

Typical Muzzie leader.  The new strong man arrives with the sword....and the present leader shits his bed and high tails it out of town.

I wonder if Saddam's spider hole is still available for Malaki ?     ROTFLMAO !!!!!

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 22:27 | 5074788 palmereldritch
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It ISIS what ISIS

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:23 | 5073847 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Try and make my son's go and I will do to those that come for them what ISIS has done.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:00 | 5074045 Jumbotron
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Damn straight.  That's a legitimate reason to die, against the Feds.

Fuck you.  You send your own sons and daughters you piece of shit politicians.  For that matter.....suit up yourselves.  We're ALL better off if you die over there....than alive fucking with all of us here from Washington D.C.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:07 | 5074085 thamnosma
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I imagine the DC elite know it's best to just rely on their drones and air jocks at this point.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:16 | 5074119 Jumbotron
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Feinstein has already stated that it takes an army to defeat an army.

They're already gearing up for Desert Storm 3.0.

ISIS will not stop until they control the oil.  The Federal Reserve will not stand for that.  They will make sure their political whores in Congress does what needs to be done.

Show your children a map of Iraq and the Greater Middle East.  Tell them, I'm sorry...but this is where you are going to die.

My son who told me he wants to be a Marine when he graduates has already been shown this map.  I have explained to him why.  His education continues.  But he's definitely not so gung ho any more.

I will shortly let him see what's happening right now with Malaki.  Never can drive this point home hard enough.

 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 21:38 | 5074636 holdbuysell
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Not sure it will be boots to start it.

Methinks it will be cyber-based to get the party going. Banking systems, power grids, et al are all at risk.

Then again boots may never be needed.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 21:46 | 5074660 Silky Johnson
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Infantry is for the stupid and those with criminal tendencies. Good on you for wising your kid up. Let some other chumps go be cannon fodder for the machine.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 21:51 | 5074686 HardAssets
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@jumbotron - get this for your son. This copy of USMC Maj General and two time Medal of Honor recipient Smedley Butler has cover graphics which get a young man's attention. Read "War Is a Racket" and discuss it with your boy. Also show him photos & videos of the reality of war, the cruelty and horrors of it. (This had a major role in ending the Vietnam war. People had such images beamed into their living rooms every evening.) Good luck.

http://www.amazon.com/War-Racket-Profit-Warfare-Smedley/dp/B00CAYJHLW/re...

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 00:13 | 5075013 Jumbotron
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Thanks.....it's hard you know.  I grew up in the 60's and 70's and was fed so much bullshit about America.  It's so disheartening to see what it is now....and in many ways....what it's always been.  A racket for the elites who dangled the carrot of "freedom" and the "good life" to make us do their bidding......make us sacrifice our sons and now our daughters even.

And now......to see this same kind of disillusionment in my son's eyes.  At least.....he's got more time to go through the stages of grief.  Me.....I don't think I will ever get over it until my death.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 01:58 | 5075176 HardAssets
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@jumbotron - there are many of us who know exactly how you feel.

The human desire for freedom is real.

You can't truly be free if your mind is enslaved by lies.

Disillusionment with lies and deceptions is good and necessary.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 02:37 | 5075212 BlackChicken
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One of the best comments on this thread.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 04:51 | 5075320 UselessEater
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After the disillusionment comes a new force to live and thrive. In between moments of frustration and tedium we still have it - and we can share it.

Be well, BlackChicken (?huh?) is just one of us who noted and cared about the comments in this thread. I'm certain another parent is thinking on these comments and will benefit. Best wishes.

 

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 06:50 | 5075421 Mesquite
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Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-0BPMwgKNA

"All Wars are Bankers' Wars....:

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:49 | 5074275 oudinot
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Jumbo-Excellent point.

The last time a Western led his troops into battle was 1756: it was George II of England .

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 21:19 | 5074569 TheReplacement
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Plenty of American Presidents have lead troops in battle, just not while President.  It's just been a real long while since we had one.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 21:19 | 5074567 ThroxxOfVron
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Agreed.  Send the entire administration off to the Green Zone.  Obama, Congress, the Supremes: the whole despicable lot.

Let them fight their wars for their foreign/internationalist/corporate leash-holders with their own soft hands and fool ideas.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 01:40 | 5075127 ebworthen
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Amen.

To the tune of the Beach Boys "Barbara Ann".

"Bomb-bomb-bomb...bomb bomb Iraq."

Turn the Middle East into a glass factory.

That - or leave it for them to sort out.

Walk away and pay for the oil.

I choose option 2.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:33 | 5073900 Greenskeeper_Carl
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all those lives and billions spent over the past decades for this. "bringing democracy to Iraq" only to have our puppet we put in there stage a coup. Maybe this will teach people that interventionim NEVER WORKS and always has unintended consequences

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:35 | 5073916 thamnosma
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I believe the amount is over $1 trillion.   Well, we didn't have any use for that money here.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 20:24 | 5074384 Diablo
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Between $4-6 trillion is the newest estimate for the final cost.

To put that in perspective, One World Trade Center will cost $4 billion. So we couldve built 1500 1WTC's...30 for each state in the country...for the cost of these wars.

Truly staggering. 

 

 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 23:18 | 5074910 NoPension
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Muzzle-Ready

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 02:45 | 5075218 BlackChicken
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We also could have cancelled every residential mortgage in the USA for what the taxpayers are on the hook for bailing out the banks who created the mess in the first place.

Madness

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 22:08 | 5074737 analyzer_66
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right on Carl this is the blowback of going into Iraq to find the WMD's, I can still see Colin Powell with illustrations of those bullshit mobile chemical weappons units that never really existed

damn liars and their lies

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:45 | 5073972 Jumbotron
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"Time to draft those unemployed US 18 year olds and send them to do the jobs terrorists won't do."

If you vote Republican in the next election you will most definitely be sending your children off to die.  If you vote Demon-crat....well....they'll wring their hands for a while.....but will send them anyway after "world outrage".

And of course....when ISIS starts controlling the oil.  And looking at Saudi Arabia like a fine piece of ass.

And even then the Demon-crats will hoist that flag.

Either way....your children are fixing to die.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:05 | 5074071 kareninca
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Sons, not children.  Do we really have to pretend that daughters will be drafted and sent?  Do we really need to make that gender neutral???  Yes some women will enlist on their own but that is not the same thing at all.

I knew a woman who had ten grandsons (she died a couple of years ago).  She was the biggest anti-war, pro-Obama person I knew.  I kept thinking, gee, isn't ten males the right number for some type of military unit?  But I didn't say that to her.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:19 | 5074130 mvsjcl
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10 would be about a squad.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 20:07 | 5074140 Jumbotron
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Dude.....you need to get educated.  The Masters of the Universe in order to keep this charade of a Utopia afloat for just one more year would dig up their mother's grave, reanimate her and send her off to secure cheap energy stores and their lanes of transport.

The world runs on oil.  Money is not printed and money is not paid back unless there is commerce and commerce comes to a screeching halt without the free flow of cheap energy.

Oh yes.....your daughters WILL go and die anywhere the Elites of this world want them and need them to.  Just to keep themselves fat, happy and insulated from the shit hole they have created for the rest of us.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 22:52 | 5074857 HardAssets
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Oil?
Maybe it's about instilling fear regarding the 'scarcity' of oil. USAF Col Fletcher Prouty worked at the highest levels in Special Operations and in the Pentagon:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=stnMHgEUrnc

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 00:17 | 5075022 Jumbotron
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Bullshit

The Central Banks of the World would not let that lie happen.  Commerce depends on oil....and lots of cheap oil.  If there were plenty of places left on the planet to get plenty of the cheap stuff we would be at it right now.  It's not hard to find.  Particularly with today's technology.

The whole reason we import the majority of our oil from Canadian tar sands and the rest of the domestic stuff is light and tight shale oil......is because the cheap, easy to acquire oil is gone.

Period....end of story.

The world is about to go to war for the remaining stocks........and for water for that matter as well,.

You ain't seen nothing yet.  ISIS and Ukraine is just a dress rehearsal.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 02:58 | 5075215 HardAssets
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How are you so certain about oil ?
Because this is what you've always been told?
(I was first willing to look at the question because I know Col Fletcher Prouty's background and reputation.)
You're disillusioned regarding the elites stories about 'freedom' and 'the good life', but not skeptical over what Rockefeller interests said about oil in the 1890s ? Ever hear of very deep oil drilling ?
Would you be willing to have young Americans kill and be killed to 'protect the oil supply' ?

"Period . . . End of story." Sounds like someone who has shut down his mind to asking further questions on this particular matter.

A riddle: What if your wealth was based on the perception of 'scarcity' ?
What if the money system that you controlled was based on a commodity that people believed was scarce, but was actually very common ? What might you do ?

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 03:40 | 5075271 ebear
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"How are you so certain about oil ?
Because this is what you've always been told?"

Scientific facts are hard to conceal.  That's why Einstein told Roosevelt to get cracking on the bomb.


Sun, 08/10/2014 - 21:44 | 5074650 holdbuysell
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"Do we really have to pretend that daughters will be drafted and sent?"

No pretending necessary. Americans families should worry. Of many articles, below is a sample.

Women In Combat: Leon Panetta Removes Military Ban, Opening Front-Line Positions

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/23/women-in-combat_n_2535954.html

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 08:56 | 5075681 Grimaldus
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I'm worried and my daughter is out of the Navy now. They could always call her back I think, they got tabs on her ass for so many years after being discharged. She was on an amphibious assault ship, one of many women on board.

Iraq is a sovereign nation, the US has no business militarily intervening and never did. US intervention in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Ukraine are all crimes by FEDGOV criminals.

Grimaldus

 

 

 

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 10:51 | 5076137 where_is the_nuke
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They didn't bang her in the ass?

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 23:40 | 5074967 ThroxxOfVron
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IF there is a draft and the women aren't served their draft cards along with the men in equal numbers then the whole equal rights and equal opportunity for equal pay movement and it's attendant diversity initiatives dies instantly.

IF Hillary is president in 2016 she'll have no choice but to send in the ladies along with the men.  Chew on that a moment.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 02:16 | 5075192 ThroxxOfVron
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I'm dead serious.

Women cannot continue to demand equality and then expect to sit out these conflicts.

You had better begin to have new conversations with your wives and sisters and daughters.  

You had better show them what the invasion of Normandy and the fall of Saigon looked like, because if war is in OUR future it is their future, too.

IF equalization is what is really important, then whether for national defence or pride, resources security or plunder, or for ideological imperatives; the brutal task of waging war -of combat- is a burden that simply cannot be forever relegated to men.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 02:45 | 5075202 Gold Eyed Cat
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If drafted, I'd get knocked up. It could be a game to see if I could get pregnant before they issued me a uniform. 

Fucking for peace!

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 23:20 | 5074914 NoPension
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Like voting fucking matters anymore.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:14 | 5073801 JohninMK
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Looks like a fully fledged civil war is underway.

Hope someone helps the Kurds.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:18 | 5073816 ACP
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They've been screwed by Baghdad for the last 10 years. And everyone else for decades before that. High time for them to draw up their Declaration of Independence.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:25 | 5073859 Uchtdorf
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Right! It's time for the Kurds to help themselves. Nobody else will.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:28 | 5073875 uno
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I'm sure Exxon, BP, Halliburton will be willing to lend a hand

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:36 | 5073914 Supernova Born
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Turkey would love to help establish a vibrant Kurdish nation right next door.

Not.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:36 | 5073924 thamnosma
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Too bad for Turkey since the Kurdish republic now exists.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:59 | 5074034 espirit
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The Turks don't have anything to worry about.

Nobody messes with the Turks.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 21:37 | 5074626 ACP
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An old Peshmerga soldier defends his village with a bolt-action rifle.

https://twitter.com/Matthew__Barber/status/498627147997515776/photo/1

I wonder how many ISIS snackbars he could take out with an actual semi-auto?

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:48 | 5073982 ACP
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That's the thing about declaring Independence.

People usually do it when they've been fucked beyond the point where they actually give a shit what their neighbors think.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 20:15 | 5074359 Milestones
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ACP-This is the exact message that needs to be drilled into our humpty dumpty mercan citizens heads. Never mind Iraq, we need to get rid of our own problem semites/Ashknazi's mach snell.               Milestones

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:23 | 5074147 Jumbotron
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As an alum of Halliburton.....I'm sure Darth Cheney is rarin' to go right now from his secret bunker in Wyoming-land.

Mon, 08/11/2014 - 09:00 | 5075693 Grimaldus
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Free market business would be a good thing. Too bad that's not what is happening.

Grimaldus

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:48 | 5073983 Jumbotron
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Exactly right.

Fuck the Muzzies.  Let them sort this out.  Let's see some of that famous Muslim love and brotherhood.  They have plenty of troops and supplies.  Go help your fellow Muzzie out.

Let us stay completely away from this.  This should be treated like Ebola.  Stay...the....fuck....out....until this contagion burns itself out.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 20:29 | 5074403 gatorboat
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"High time for them to draw up their Declaration of Independence."

Same thing could be said for America.  Even the "screwed by Washington DC for the last 10 years" part.

But Iraq has the same problem America has, deeply divided society.  Over there it's Sunni vs Shia vs Kurd.  Here it's middle class vs rich vs FSA vs democrat vs republican vs etc vs etc vs etc.

Over there Maliki is firmly in control and asset-stripping the country for his personal gain.  Over here banksters are firmly in control and asset-stripping the country for their personal gain. 

So who are we to say what Iraq should do?  

"physician, heal thyself"

 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:19 | 5073821 LetThemEatRand
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Of course, nobody could have seen this coming. 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:23 | 5073846 thethirdcoast
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I think the correct phrase is, "No one could have predicted..."

or

"No one could have imagined..."

lol

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:24 | 5073855 crazzziecanuck
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Washington clearly grew impatient with democracy.  Given how the head of ISIS is the product of US and UK intelligence services, it seems like the cycle is complete and the plans to forment enough justification to assert a return to military rule.  Simply put, the CIA created the ISIS problem, now using the military to get rid of democracy and the rule of law in Iraq because of it.

 

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:54 | 5074286 oudinot
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I think Canuck you are incorrect: yes the CIA/British Intelligence creaated ISI but they created him to take on Aassad.  Just like Dr. Framkenstein discovered to his grief, his creation turned into a murderous, ruthless monster who turned on his creators!!!!

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:58 | 5074299 crazzziecanuck
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Once bitten.  Twice shy.  Guess the CIA didn't learn their lesson when it came to Bin Laden.

So, either the CIA is disconnected to the point of autism or they used their asset to take down Iraq as a "see this is why we have to take out Assad now too" moment.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 21:36 | 5074616 tony wilson
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and what of the israeli idf field hospitals paid for by the us tax payer.

what of turkey,qatar and saudi arabia should we bomb them bomb the isis hospitals of israel maybe we can get israel to turn around the 155mm depleted uranium howitzers point them at themselves and fire.kill some isis kill some jews then blame the israeli run hamas.

should give you guys another month of gaza child target practice.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 22:34 | 5074807 blackbeardz
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"Mission Accomplished"

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 22:36 | 5074812 Duffy Duck
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US and Israeli.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:36 | 5074215 lead salad
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Owebama just extended his vacation to Mathaaa's Vinyaaaad by two weeks........

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 18:21 | 5073839 thamnosma
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Don't worry, it's early yet.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:04 | 5074067 123dobryden
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first they are gonna cry a big big river for baghdad haha

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 19:05 | 5074077 123dobryden
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and the only ones who are gonna survive again will be those yezuids as they are all hiding at the moment at Noe's mountain

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 20:02 | 5074319 Freddie
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Nudelman the dual citizen State Department traitor to Americans will serve cookies and bagels.

Sun, 08/10/2014 - 20:59 | 5074486 TheReplacement
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Must kill Christians in the north.  Must drive Kurds into Iran.

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