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Ron Paul Slams Media MH17 "War Propaganda", Claims US "Knows A Lot More Than It's Telling Us"
Former Congressman Ron Paul warns the US government knows "more than it is telling" about the Malaysian aircraft that crashed in eastern Ukraine last month, killing 298 people on board and seriously damaging US-Russian relations in the process. In an apparent effort to provide some balance of opinion against what he calls "war propaganda", Paul issued the following succinct statement:
The U.S. government has grown strangely quiet on the accusation that it was Russia or her allies that brought down the Malaysian airliner with a buk anti-aircraft missile.
The little that we have heard from U.S. intelligence is that it has no evidence that Russia was involved. Yet the war propaganda was successful in convincing the American public that it was all Russia’s fault. It’s hard to believe that the U.S., with all of its spy satellites available for monitoring everything in Ukraine that precise proof of who did what and when is not available.
When evidence contradicts our government’s accusations, the evidence is never revealed to the public - for national security reasons, of course. Some independent sources claim that the crash site revealed evidence that bullet holes may have come from a fighter jet. If true, it would implicate western Ukraine.
Questions do remain regarding the serious international incident. Too bad we can’t count on our government to just tell us the truth and show us the evidence.
I’m convinced that it knows a lot more than it’s telling us.
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As we noted here - there appears to be plenty that we are not being told about MH17.
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The shit will hit the fan:
http://my.firedoglake.com/ohiogringo/2014/08/09/malaysian-press-ukrainia...
Well, if true, I am absolutely certain we will never hear that on the CBS Evening News.
I just checked Huffpost & Dailykos and it's not there either. So this is obviously false.
A couple of decades ago a Texas college psychology professor published an article on what it takes to be a 'good' president.
To lie and be believed was her conclusion. Have not been able to locate it again.
And Ron Paul owns Oblamo, again... It's getting to be too easy to punk the POTUS...
more references to support Banzai's info
here's the actual item from the new strait times
http://www.nst.com.my/node/20961
and there's other followup links and references -
http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_67273.shtml
http://greenteeth.blog.co.uk/2014/08/11/flight-mh17-shot-down-by-air-to-...
Tyler, i reckon you might wanna take up the cudgel
That was "it's" intention the entire time.
Evidence Conclusive: Ukraine Military Shot Down MH17 In False Flag Operation
I think its probable that the US was winky wink with a plane full of Dutch citizens shot down by Ukraine because the plan is the wrestle the oil and gas dependency from Russia. Its all business,just ask Hunter Biden. They want the European Union outraged but 33% of all gas is from Russia. This is a longterm competitive business strategy for Ukraine,US and petrodollar communities.
my other 2 cents worth-
that analysis claiming a plane shot the cockpit from either side (because entry and exit holes are side by side on the cockpit wreckage) may discount the possibility of just one plane firing machine gun rounds into a cockpit/plane that is spinning out of control - or spinning to avoid its attacker
Black Box Proves Missile Didn’t Do It
Let's see. Earlier this year, a Malaysian Airlines 777 disappears into thin air. Now, months later a very odd Malaysian Air 777 is found in Ukraine crashed. Hmmmmm........
It just a deal to get MA cheap
Taken private for .12 and delisted
Somebody made some serious money on the shortzide and Private clkse.
Follow the money
MH17 Shrapnel and Machine Gun-Like Holes Indicate Military Aircraft Shoot Down
There is something very strange with MH17 flying the wrong serial number too...there is much more to this story. 9M-MRC was in two places at once...as evidenced in pictures taken in Amsterdam before MH17 took off. Someone playing hide the Malaysian 777 game.
The KEY to Dr. Paul's statement is that this story has "convinced" the US American and European Sheeple that Russia is to blame, and thus setting off a chain of really bad stuff.
German DAX is down 15% since second set of RU sanctions, if Germans don't get some backbone and dump the Euro and embrace resource rich RU, the Western Bankers will surely achieve a victory here.
As a other side note....us the US taxpayers PAY for our intelligence services, and those guys deliver NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING. What a complete waste.
Meaning Obama is about 50% of the way there, just missing the "and be believed" bit?
yes indeedy. he better start using reverse psychology because people are assuming the truth is the opposite of what he says.
imo this one is going to have legs. building 7? never got beyond the fringe.
but mh17? this may open some eyes.
FDL isn't any of that shite tho associated.
The worm for Obama may indeed be turning....
FDL is a racist Website because instead of just worshipping the President like we are all supposed to, they, like, criticized him and stuff. So, while it is a liberal site, it's a bad liberal site.
Their demo is Blue Dog Dems so this may be a indicator of the expected breadth and depth of the conservative shift about to assert itself within the Blue-Red tag team they call 'Democracy'.
But yeah. They are bad liberals...thinking for themselves and all...or at least seeming to
meanwhile, ukraine's latest lob in the propoganda war..... it was their false flag! (i.e. the rebels failed to down a russian jet and nailed the malaysian in error). it was your false flag! no yours! no yours that didn't work! you can't make this shit up.
Ron Paul wants people to be free and responsible for themselves and not be totally dependent on the government and not be leeching off of other people and like, respect people's property and privacy rights. HA! As a staunch liberal, I think he's a terrorist.
"Finished off by machine gun"
Wow thats fuked up. Imagine being a passenger in that thing- taking fire from 20mm machine guns 30k feet in the air. One of those rounds can rip you in half. Horrible horrible experience
The pilot's cockpit looked like swiss cheese. Whether machine-gun fire, or shrapnel there was no way either of those two were even alive to steer the thing. Short of a Vincent Vega (Pulp Fiction) style holy miracle- which would also be decidedly short-lived.
"Say what one more time MFer!"
the article alleges to have assessed side by side photos of 30mm rounds vs air-to-air- shrapnel and discounts the air to air missile as a possible cause
but id like to see those comparative images myself. Anyone got a link / source?
Actually, SU-25's use 30mm machineguns, I think.
The holes are 30mm and have been swabbed for projectile identification. US analyists agree. (till they are told to go on Holiday)
http://www.nst.com.my/node/20925
Oh!!! the egg on US administration faces (and the smell of moral decay and corruption) Still waiting for the Black Box recordings that must match the Air controllers conversations. I think I'll be dead long before they are released.
Hat tip Jesse cafe
C'mon Ron. quit toying with us. Who has the desk plaque in his office with the words "THE BUK STOPS HERE." Is it the Ukranian president with the unspellable last name? Did Victoria Nuland have something to do with the cover-up? Or is the culprit not a top public official but a SU-25 flight commander who ordered the shootdown because he could? Putin denies responsibilty but how can you trust a former KGB spy? Yes, the best suspect appears to be none of the above, instead being VP Joe Biden's oil drilling son, who has the most to gain from turbulence in Ukraine.
I think it's hitting right about now. http://www.opednews.com/articles/Malaysian-press-charges-Uk-by-Alex-Lant...
Garbage website.
The picture displayed (supposedly of MH17 crashing) is actually the crash of a Boeing 727, PSA Flight 182, into North Park, San Diego, California, USA, on September 25, 1978. It was on approach and it had collided with a Cessna.
I attempted to correct it and was not allowed. It is far too difficult to register to post. They are in the business of publishing MISINFORMATION.
If they are inaccurate in one part of the report then you can impeach their testimony on that.
http://www.impdb.org/index.php?title=Faces_of_Death&oldid=48909
Living here in San Diego County, I rememeber that day all too well. (I was living in Phoenix at the time but I have close ties to this place.) I have flown in and out of Lindbergh Field many times and it has left its mark.
It seems as if nobody cares about the truth.
They care about the truth, they want you to tell it to them so they can trust you.
You can find the same article all over the Web, and here's the Malaysian source:
http://www.malaysiandigest.com/world/512066-us-analysts-conclude-mh17-do...
Malaysian media claims US already aware that MH17 was shot down by Ukrainian fighter jet....
http://www.nst.com.my/node/20925?d=1
So, what are the sanctions against Russia really for? De-dollarization anyone....?
Ron Paul and Paul Craig Roberts - two names at the top of the government's "hit" list. I think they just let them live so they can add the names of their sympathizers to that same list.
Not necessary for them to have some kind of 'unfortunate accident'. They are able to have the MSM ignore both them and their supporters, which is where most of the brain dead populace gets their news. Their message only reaches people like us, who always hear it because we have up on the MSM and looked for it. It is telling that you haven't heard shit from the gov or the presstitutes lately. A lot less coverage than the other missing jet received. I agree with them. The US knows it was their puppets in Ukraine, not the rebels or the Russians, which is why they are letting this one slip away. No way do I believe the us gov doesn't know exactly what happened to that thing. And I'd say that initial bout of propaganda worked exactly as it's supposed to. By now, it's engrained in the memory of most as 'that malasian jet the Russians shot down'. Most people still believe whatever fox or msnbc tells them for some reason.
Well you have olielee on fox drilling into their heads on a daily basis, and they purchase his silly books to read so they can comment and feel as if they are now part of the in " crowd", in just one hour. Cause that might be the only hour they get to watch tv and make all their politicial decisions in this hurry up world of Mr. Jones's
I co-wrote an article with PCR that he posted today.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/08/11/de-industrialization-america/
It's now the lead article on OpEd news...
http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-De-industrialization-o-by-Paul-Crai...
What caught Roberts' interest was a video I'd made (about the real jobs picture in the U.S.) with the other co-author, Dave Kranzler:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=EamO7-ITtbo#t=183
I wish I'd known about that hit list. Damnit. As a long-time zh'er, though I was probably on it anyhow I guess.
Yes Dr Paul, they do, so wtf else is new?
And why do they allow our "crazy uncle" to continue to walk around? Figure he'd have had an "accident" by now.
a troubling amount of support in the military...
The wall of lies are crumbling
The end is near!
...a brick in the wall...
The wall of lies are crumbling
The end is near!
- and, *another* brick in the wall...
Malaysia held a War Crimes trial and convicted Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld in absentia, and probably the CIA & Mossad.
Couple montha later, not ONE but TWO Malaysian jumbo jets go down, all passengers missing and or dead.
Empires, Dying Empires, like to take other with them.
Go Putin
Putin and the BRICS will be the same as the old boss... not saying I disagree with you but it's time for people to start taking care of themselves and ignoring all of it. It starts with creating a currency system only the free market controls...
Gold, Silver, Bitcoin ... Pb, water and food (and Pb delivery tools)
I think the War Crimes Trial is the epi-center of the larger scandal -
while Paruiby organized the Ukranian jets attack on the Malayasian passenger plane - the real story is the probability of the plane being a Malayasian scheduled flight
there must be several hundred flights per day going both east and west over the Ukraine - with the bulk of the flights major airlines: Lufthansa / BA / Air France / KLM / Air China/ Singapore etc to 25 major direct destinations in europe and asia
Malayasian Airlines represent less than 1% of the flights probably much less
so what are the odds they would get tagged? - then take the odds for two Malayasian flights going down in less than six months?
Would love for an algo to run an article on probability !!!!!
what it means is that not only was CIA informed by Paruiby of the hit since they were prepared including Obama with Propaganda machine instantly - if you remember - but CIA must have designated the hit not Ukraine Military - as payback for the Trial along with blaming Putin as part of the scam
The Dutch are really idiots for believing any of this
The propaganda was instantaneous, just like after Sandy Hook. Scripted in advance.
Also, from wikiP Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission. Another suspect, more recently convicted.
In November 2013, the tribunal convicted State of Israel guilty of genocide of the Palestinian people and convicted former Israeli general Amos Yaron for crimes against humanity and genocide for his involvement in the Sabra and Shatila massacre.[12]
Unpossible. The US government always speaks the truth as it did for 9/11. And the second death of Osama bin Laden.
Seymour Hersh on death of Osama bin Laden: ‘It’s one big lie, not one word of it is true’http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/09/27/seymour-hersh-on-death-of-osama-bi...
ixnay on the uthtray
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Vladimir Putin?
...or have I spoken too soon?
By far.
Ron Paul gets no respect. I suppose no comments mean this issue doesn't effect Israeli security at all?
It is good to see the MIC is branching out to antagonize , even, countries that aren't trying to annilate Israel.
http://www.army.mil/article/130898/German_general_to_be_assigned_as_U_S_...
Brigade Commander to Chief of Staff?
We will finally see some efficiencies instilled in the U.S. Army. Now if we can just clone Albert Speer we could put toether a real team.
Should make him the Pentagon's Israeli Liason.
Ah, Speer.
He could build for the Jewish State settlements and housing designed to intimidate and overwhelm.
Ja wohl, mein Fuhrer
Ah yes, if we only had Corporal Hitler..
Trying to buy cooeration from the germans as well as present an image that it is a multinational force. Cunning like a fox
Mass exodus possible. Oh wait, all-volunteer Army provides the only chance at a job with the Fed doing their part to suppress everything free market in favor of Fascism.
This just in...The British have lost the black box.
/sarc
Most Brits wouldn't know what to do with a black box...
They aren't even good with blond ones.
zing!!!
Go Ron Paul. I wish you would tell us if the United States of America has any chance of freeing itself from Washington D.C. or if the United States of America is already gone. Without a military and without a financial system I think it is time to:
Replace Washington D.C. with open source software.
After having endured 6+ weeks of unending media speculation on the other Malaysian airplane's disappearance, I can't help but wonder how this thing isn't blown much bigger than that event. And yet, it just seems to have fizzled out. Quick like.
Humph....
Paul could have said: "It's not lies if it's all bullshit."
I wonder why he is still alive...
He Should had jump from a building long time ago like the
Bankers...
It's remember a song,
'It's raining banker, aleloya'
S.E. Texas is a long way from NYC. Not many New York mafia guys there. They'd stick out too much.
"Oh President! My President!"
(A fitting paraphrase of the best from line my favorite Robin Williams movie. RiP.)
That's what I'm talking about. This Guy, Ron Paul has the knowledge that America needs. He's been doing this stuff forever. He knows what he's talking about and I'm sure he knows more then he is talking about. He just needs the support, as in feet in the streets, to create a dynamic scenario, that I for one would like to see. If you start getting answers to the right questions, you could definitely shake this fucker up. Rethinking foreign relations would be a step in the right direction.
It's not impossible.
He has repeatedly pointed out the basis of all the USA's problems, the privately owned Fed. Solve that and everything from crooked elections to strange wars automatically resolve themselves. Adventures start hitting the middle and lower classes much harder where it hurts, the checkbook, when the printing presses are restrained. This includes the bribing of the underclasses for their votes, they must earn their livelihood, which solves the illegals problems. Everything gets better if it's abolished.
ron paul has been on fire of late...it's good to know that even though he retired he's still front and center keeping the faith.
he is the last true American statesmen.
you know things are bad when..,
1. in 2016 you're just hoping for a candidate who may actually be something more than a teleprompter
2. and will at least will avoid fucking things up even worse
3. you already know no such person exists
4. and at this point your pretty sure it's not going to matter because the chances of us making it that far are growing slimmer every day.
sometimes gallows humor is all you've got left...
on the topic of humor it was heart braking to learn of RW's death and my prayers to his family, I loved that guy...
I just want to say thank you Robin for "Golf" I still can't watch that bit without almost passing out from laughing to hard.
Robins final words: "see what happens when you listen to too much Badfinger"
Robins final words: "see what happens when you listen to too much Badfinger"
Does Ron Paul know who killed Kennedy? Still waiting for that one.
Oh, everybody knows who killed Kennedy
hint: the world's largest low-rise office building.
If every politician had to get on board with every unprovable conspiracy to meet the boards approval we'd have no one with more authority than David Icke. Sometimes people keep their mouths closed for a reason no matter what they think.
If you can't deliver the goods to drive a point home sometimes you must wait in silence...."God sees the truth but waits"
Until the Pope says that MH17 was hit by a missile shot by the separatists, I will continue to believe that the Ukrainian fighters strafed it and hit it with an air to air missile.
But why did they?
Why such violence?
Was it just to knock it down and then to blame it on Moscow and the separatists?
Or did a little bird whisper into Victoria Nuland's greasy ear that Putin was on the plane, having heard that NATO was out to assassinate him?
As Jabba of Kiev is completely beholden to our American Gorgon, he had no problem ordering his jets to bring down a plane with 300 innocents aboard to get Vladimir Putin.
The Americans approved the strike.
I am the first to admit that getting Putin on a commercial carrier is quite a stretch, but remember we are dealing with the likes of Nuland, Kerry, Obama and Poroshenko, brainless mutants of the Maidan.
It seems to me there are two possible explanations for why Ukraine Security Forces shot down MH17 and you have raised them both.
Of the two, I'd go for it being a deliberate act of criminality with the intention to blame it on Putin/Russia. If Poreshenko and his Nuland handlers were involved, that increases the likelyhood of this being the explanation. No wonder the black box contents have still not been released. And no wonder the 30mm bullet holes in the cockpit fuselage isn't being discussed by MSM and Western political elites.
I can't see how the other explanation stands up:
Although Malaysia Airlines colours are extremely similar to the presidential jet that Putin uses, I cannot see Ukraine ATC and its handlers making such a mistake. After all, MH17 was in contact with ATC in Kiev before it was shot down and ATC knew it was not Putin's plane.
False Flag.
If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is probably is a fucking duck
I agree with you, but we must leave no conspiracy theory unturned.
If it was the Nuland-Poroshenko nexus and Ukrainian fighters shot MH17 out of the sky, did they not think that the strafing of the cockpit and fuselage would give them away?
Can they be that stupid?
I have something more to add to the "kill Putin" motive. I admit I don't know the mechanics of it at all. Perhaps you do.
But it thickens the plot.
Say, the FSB learned while Putin was in Brazil that there was a plot against him and his plane would be targeted on the trip back home, but they didn't know where.
The FSB puts Putin on a private jet out of Brazil to Amsterdam and flies his state plane there empty. Now Putin, Russia's Air Force One, and MH17 are all at Amsterdam's Airport.
Here's the 'Tinker, Tailor' part.
The FSB manages to switch the transponders on the two planes. I know what a transponder does but that's all I know about them. It may not be possible.
Kiev ATC thinks that MH17 is Putin's plane The markings are similar enough to fool the pilots who don't think they are murdering 300 souls, but are assassinating a tyrant.
I hope you don't think I'm too nutz for thinking this one up.
It's an interesting theory. No, I don't think you're nuts. All these possibilities need to be examined. So far, it looks like a slam dunk carried out by Ukie security forces that didn't go exactly according to plan.
Western elites could have claimed that the strafing of the cockpit fuselage with 30mm bullet holes was carried out by Russian forces because their intention was to bring down MH17 over the Ukie border on Russian territory. Any defence put up by Russia would then be easily dismissed as lies.
Too bad for them that it came down over Ukie territory because the plane took an unexpected sharp left turn immediately after being hit - probably caused by the air-to-air heat-seeking missile hitting the right hand engine.
Whatever the FSB might have learned about an attempted shoot-down of his plane, he nevertheless continued to fly home on his own plane, so that implies this aspect of the theory is a dead end. And the only closeness his plane had with MH17 was back over Warsaw. From then on the two routes went in different directions (Putin headed to NE and MH17 to SE).
Also, the plane that was shot down was correctly identified as MH17 - plenty of evidence on flightradar24.com to show this. They still have the flight path records from their radar tracking.
My explanation gave the Ukrainians the same excuse for shooting down MH17 as the Americans recently gave the Russians: that MH17 was MISTAKENLY shot down.
If the Ukes didn't mistakenly shoot it down, then they intentionally shot it down.
Even after the American lie that got us into Iraq, or the Syrian false flag sarin attack that killed 1300, and lies that came out of Maidan, it's still hard to accept the blatant treachery of our government.
I didn't like my idea anyway as it made the Russians complicit in this tragedy.
Why the countries who lost citizens on MH17 aren't loudly demanding that Ukrainians make public the ATC tape is puzzling
But I read today that Malaysia is continuing its investigation in both Amsterdam and Kiev.
I can't see the the Dutch or Malaysians covering this up to protect Poroshenko or Nuland.
Certainly, the families of the 300 will seek redress in the Hague.
Kiev shot down MH17 because they were losing. They are losing. They are losing the support of the fed up Ukrainians and the Europeans who are becoming more and more aware that... winter is coming.
They needed a successful and compelling Lusitania moment.
War of the world?
Let's plat a game: day 1 Putin tells Merkel 'It was not us nor our guys'.
Merkel waits silently.
Washinton makes big noise.
No evidence comes out supporting DC.
Evidence of Ukranian involvement is known within a few days.
Washington demands sanctions.
Merkel still waits, pressure from her industry builds.
At what point does she publicly tell DC to fuck off?
or...does she go through diplomatic channels and make demands for her continued silence?
We little people won't be told anything but those who run governments must be getting edgy about a nuclear superpower (us) seemingly going off the rails.
How would you handle this cluster fuck...diplomatically of course.
If it were not Ukraine, they would provide Air Trafic Recordins as well the man who worked with the plane (Dnepropetrovsk controller). But Kiev and MSM keeps grave silence, and that proves that MH17 downed Kiev authorities.
Simple logic.
I smelled this shit as soon as it dropped. I've developed quite the nose for it.
yep all those CIA agents in Ukraine have to do something to earn their salaries.
A comment about MH17 I posted on an earlier thread:
Ron Paul is right. The story of MH17 has taken some strange twists in the recent week or so...
The strongest evidence produced so far are the visible round bullet holes in sections of the cockpit fuselage which - according to a German ex-pilot & aviation expert - were probably made by Ukraine's SU-25 fighter jets which are fitted with a 30mm cannon. The holes exactly match. He is quite clear they could not have been made by missile fragments (A-2-A or G-2-A). They are visibly too round for that and some are entry holes, others are exit holes, indicating it was attacked from two sides. A missile cannot do that.
Then there were the two eye witness interviews published by the BBC on video where the witnesses were quite clear that they heard loud bangs in the sky at the time of the downing. They also allege without hesitation that they saw two military jets in the sky at the time, trailing MH17. The BBC pulled the videos, claiming they were not up to their usual standard of news. Yeah right.
Then we have the MH17 black boxes sent to Farnborough/UK for analysis. Nothing has been heard of them since. The voice recordings could have been released within 24-48 hours.
Further evidence is that the Kiev ATC ordered MH17 to reduce altitude to 30,000ft prior to the incident. This will have been to ensure it was within range of the two SU-25's because they have an operational ceiling of 10,000m (33,000ft), not the 23,000ft asserted by some people posting on ZH and elsewhere (paid .gov disinformation trolls?).
Joining up the dots, it is virtually certain that MH17 was attacked by the Ukraine air force with 30mm cannon and an air-to-air missile (before or after being attacked with cannon fire).
YET, none of these revelations have been touched on by MSM. A conspiracy of silence is in place. If MH17 ever gets mentioned nowadays, these revelations are completely ignored and all comment is based upon the circumstances that existed before the revelations were made public.
The USG, UKG, MSM and hoards of expert "talking heads" wheeled on to TV News shows are collectively guilty of a massive cover up of mass murder of 298 innocent people.
When they can knock the WTC 1, 2 and 7 down in broad daylight, killing over 3000 people (10 Times that which were aboard MH17) and blame that on people living in caves in Afghanistan...
...AND NOBODY PITCHES A BITCH...
then...
I SUSPECT THAT EMBOLDENS THEM as they know that they can get away WITH ANYTHING.
And really...you guys are shocked at the MH17 Murders?
How many of you were Gung Ho for war with Afghanistan and Iraq when it first happened?
It was pretty damned lonely back then, being in the minority whom knew that it was a farce, a FALSE FLAG, and being against those fucking wars.
Regarding 9/11, I have long believed that WTC B7 was brought down by controlled demolition. I can see no other rational explanation and all the evidence points that way.
It then raises the possibility that WTC1 & WTC2 were also brought down in the same way. BUT it doesn't change the fact that both of these buildings were hit by airplanes. We saw that live on TV. What I have not finally decided is whether these planes were being flown by a bunch of Arabs (Atta & Co) or if they were being flown remotely by "other parties". This is a possibility. The jury's out.
The first thing that convinced me was that the price of Gold did not spike.
Greenspan had announced that the Gold had been moved to an undisclosed location. (Later it was disclosed that it was being stored in the underground vaults of the New York Federal Reserve Branch.)
Knowing that the WTC was a Gold Bank, and that physical transactions were done in the basement, then it would be reasonable to assume that it was, at least, buried and not available for delivery.
Why...oh why...would they move all of that Gold?
I will not move my Gold unless...I THOUGHT IT WAS AT RISK. It is a risk to move it. There were Thousands of Metric Tons in those underground vaults at the WORLD TRADE CENTER. It would take WEEKS to move it.
That was the Smoking Gun of the Inside Job.
Follow the Money...er...Gold...as Gold is Money.
Thanks, very interesting. That curiosity deserves more public attention.
god stuff. there was also the matter of certain records pertaining to securities fraud.
9/11 was about 4 birds with 4 planes.
That is why WTC 7 needed to be taken out.
Not only the records about Enron and Kenneth Lay...but...
GATA (Gold Anti Trust Action) had the records of the Gold Price Fixing by the Federal Reserve and had turned that over to the Courts for trial. This was also stored in WTC 7...conveniently.
All of that evidence burned.
only ever saw two planes
Temperatures at the pile were north of 2800' degrees - cancer is now accelerating for all those there - unheard of conditions in a fire, free fall, demolition
the thermite in massive quantities is the core of the reason - planes were for show time!
Yes. It was extremely lonely to be against the Afghanistan and Iraq invasion back in the day.
I remember it well.
Thanks for that!
When the American government speaks, you only know one thing for certain. They are lying----, again!
The Europeans must feel so stupid.
When do you impeach Obama, and fire the psychopath Fogh Rasmussen?.
What is wrong with this world?
One wonders what is so horrible about the truth that they must keep it to themselves.
Time for an apocalypse.
MH17 was shot down by a CIA falseflag op led by Dick Cheney on the orders of his JOOOOOOish bosses
isn't that right Ron?
SSDD. another day another stupid cmment from the mental midget Ron Blame the USA for Everything Paul
For future reference, you spelled "Jewish" incorrectly.
still here still lost. lol
No kidding Ron, could you please stop flashing that devil sign?
ron paul is stating the obvious to the oblivious.
ami's don't give a s**t because it hasn't happened in the ussa.
that seems to be changing.
whether the ussa sheople catch on or not is immaterial. they no longer control their destiny.
what is important is the world sees the BS of the ami position.
that is slowly becoming apparent
lol even in DE
The problem with MH plane colors is that they look like very much the same as a Russian flag along the fuselage. Very much doubt a Russian operator would even by mistake shoot a plane reflecting such flag colors.
seems obvious to me that someone on the ground identified the plane as a Russian plane... and then?
"Within 24 hours from the tragic MH-17 flight, US officials rushed to align with the Ukrainian government, based on 'evidence' that came out remarkably fast. While in other cases, the Western hypocrites 'recommend sangfroid' and suggest to every direction not to rush to make conclusions, this is a case where they completely violate their own 'calm down' policy as advice to others."
http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2014/07/desperate-to-find-pretext.html
Kudos RP
I'M convinced that we'll NEVER KNOW the REAL truth.
ever....
Hey Ron, out with it. Otherwise, stop with the loyal opposition shit.
MH17 has gone the way of Crimea.....old news. We've moved on. The latest trend is how keep ebola off page one. First move was to bump off Robin Williams which should buy 1-2 days.
The area where the Malaysian passenger jet MH17 fell in Ukraine is a crash site not a crime site! Painting it as a crime site does not make it so. Whether shot down by accident or intentionally, most of the evidence on how and why this occurred will most likely come from sources other than the crash site or fields where the flight went down. I for one feel total disgust and seriously distressed that this tragedy has become nothing more than a propaganda gem. More on this topic in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/07/ukraine-crash-propaganda-gem.html
Well I guess... if you work for the cia, murdering 300 people isn't a crime
One wonders if:
A. Only bad people are attracted to government
B. Only bad people are successful in government
C. People become bad when they become part of the government
I only say that because government seems to have bad people running it. They lie. They cheat. They lie some more. They are greedy. They lie some more. They collude and conspire. They lie some more. They treat themselves as kings. They lie some more. They treat the people with no respect. They lie and lie and lie again.
Here is "scan" from malaysian starits times about MH17 flight:
I posted it yesterday in other thread:
https://kosmologelei.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/nst06082014-page6.jpg
(use mouse zoom in)
Yes, yes, "Russia or Russian interests shot down the plane." Oh and we have also learned that they "have weapons of mass destruction".
Ron Paul has his supporters, and he has his detractors.
Ron Paul's time has passed. He does not have a respected leadership role to play.
Let him talk. Let him get it out of his system. He may be right on certain points, but there is no value in accepting everything he says simply because he has said it.
It is reasonable to expect the world's security services to know more about MH17 that they are letting on. That is their reason for being. You can decry that they are not sharing that information if you want. It doesn't change the rules of the game.
According to Pareto's rule, he is not part of the group that makes up the minds of the general population.
When Americans and the world SHOULD be asking these questions, this is the reality....
Everyone wants to sit in judgement. No one wants to actually research the topic to find the answer. This whole what do they know and when did they know it mantra as been in place on this issue from the beginning. Everyone questioned what did the satellites show? What did the radar systems show? What we got was a lot of fabricated evidence. Some say the fabrications come from Ukraine. Others say the fabrications come from Russia.
Ron Paul is simply venting so he can be heard. He expects to be one who is to sit in judgement. Fewer people seem to respect his decision-making.
Putin has also gone silent just when I was expecting His "evidence". The rebels are not talking about Their evidence either. Typical
If Ron Paul Knows something he should just say it instead of sounding like a ZH tin foil hatter.
Dr. Paul could still be a better potus, then the last 6 put together.