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Ferguson As America: "There Is A Brewing Problem... And It's Extremely Dangerous"

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Submitted by Martin Armstrong of Armstrong Economics,



Riots are have erupted with hundreds of protesters gathering at a suburban St. Louis police station on Monday demanding murder charges against an officer who shot to death an unarmed black teenager over the weekend. Looting just went nuts like the ’60s. While this is being painted as a race issue, there is yet another issue that is not being addressed – that is the militarization of the civil police forces around the country.




Ever since 911, there has been a trend moving toward much harsher local police. Here is a photo of how the Boston Police have militarized to the point it looks like war against the people. Even small towns are geared up for war.

The small town of Medford, Oregon with a population of 76,462 has spent millions of dollars to militarize their police. They have their own Swat Teams, yet no incident in history of some major shooting of such a nature to warrant a Swat Team. The entire reason where there was the Second Amendment was to eliminate this very threat of standing armies. We are seeing the abuse of force at every level. Medford Police bought a new vehicle that some say could survive a so-called the apocalypse. They used their Swat Team to go after a mere carjacker.

Medford, New Jersey with a population of just 23,033 also has a Swat Team. They rushed in and held two white kids on the ground at gun-point for shooting potatoes into a lake setting hair spray as the propellant.




The whole thing about standing armies has been their historical use out of boredom. It is a shame to pay for something and then not use it. Police use to be friendly as shown in Normal Rockwell’s classic painting. Sure there are a few good souls still left. But the attitudes have shifted to being just mean and nasty as they look at the civilian population as evil.




This is a problem that is brewing and is extremely dangerous to say the least. Examples of police abuse are all over the internet. There has been a loss of respect for the people and there seems to be no way to reverse this process.




They sprayed protesters in the eyes during Occupy Wall Street movements everywhere. The conduct has been outrageous. This killing of this black teen is not simply racism. The problems are much deeper. Claiming this is just racism deflects the entire issue and makes it simply black-v-white. This is something far more serious for it is impacting our entire society.




The protests over land was yet another example. The police showed up with weapons and told the people they would shoot to kill. The police are being transformed from protecting the public into protecting government from the public. Most do not even see what transformation they have gone through.

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Michael Snyder has a different persepctive...

Even though the economy has somewhat stabilized (at least for the moment), levels of anger and frustration have continued to grow in this country.  We have been taught to hate one another and to blame one another for our problems, and so now the U.S. is more divided than at any other point in recent memory.  For much more on this, please see my previous article entitled "America The Divided: Everyone Knows We Have Problems But There Is Very Little Agreement On Solutions".


We live at a time when things are so tense that even a small spark can light an absolutely huge fire.  America has become a tinderbox.  Next time it might not be a racially-charged shooting.  Next time it might be an Ebola outbreak that sparks looting and panic.  Or it might be some sort of financial collapse.  We just don't know.


But what we do know is that there are lots and lots of people that are willing to riot and loot and commit unspeakable crimes given the right circumstances.


Decades of social decay have gotten us to the point where the thin veneer of civilization that we all take for granted every single day is wearing dangerously thin.


The truth is that it is not going to take much to push this nation over the edge.


If this kind of rioting can take place in a community with just over 20,000 people, what would a full-blown riot look like in a city with millions of people?


That is a very sobering thing to think about.


Once upon a time in America, you could leave your doors unlocked at night and you could let your kids play in the streets without ever having to worry.


But now we are a sick, decaying nation that has millions of people ready to riot and loot at the drop of a hat.


Is there any hope for us?

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Today has been peaceful so far but this stunning picture seems to sum it all up



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Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:53 | 5083001 JenkinsLane
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I'm hoping things will be looking up by around 2035-2040.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 15:15 | 5083041 Shizzmoney
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You are optimistic

Is there any hope for us?


BTW, while racism is a big part of what is happening here, the ROOT of all of this stems from money.

Thuggery is cheap, is easy to attain, and is profitable for the ownership class.  They just use racism as a tool to pander to what I call, "the management class" - the folks who are below the 1%, but are above the 80% of the rest of us.  They need these folks to "tend to the herd" and keep them in line with propaganda, tribalism, and most importantly, when all else fails, violence (and in today's world of political correctness, passive aggressive violence.  Instead of shooting actual bullets, they'll shoot wooden ones, for example.  Because public relations.  Because IT'S CHEAPER).

CNBC is an example; they pander to their viewers constantly that (in a runaround way) workers are nothing but pieces of expendable trash; that stock holders and corporate management and executives are the ones who keep America running, not those at the bottom who Mitt Romney affectionately called, "the takers - the 47%".  All with a SMILE!

The cops are a part of this management class; they are paid very well to keep the sheep in line. They are allowed to unionize so that they won't turn the guns on those who sign the checks, and instead on those who cash them.  They are paid highly to be the ones with the guns.

We all know that those who have the guns (and those who own them), make the rules.  

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 15:16 | 5083147 pods
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Two safety tips boys and girls:

1. Cops are not your friends.

2. If things go south you better be as far away from an MLK blvd as humanly possible.


Tue, 08/12/2014 - 15:16 | 5083153 Manthong
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“police are being transformed from protecting the public into protecting government from the public”

Let’s see.. remind me of why the Second Amendment was right after the first one in the original ten?

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 15:29 | 5083235 Herd Redirectio...
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You used to join the POLICE SERVICE.

Now you join the POLICE FORCE.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 15:42 | 5083301 F0ster
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Police Force = A liscense to kill. 

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 15:56 | 5083385 Manthong
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How far we have come..

I felt ahead of the curve when I put an Estes rocket a few hundred feet into air, recovered the camera and developed the snapshot.

Now I am behind the curve with a 720P .05 Lux camera hovering outside my neighbors window.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 16:00 | 5083425 Herd Redirectio...
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"Don't Protect & Serve me, bro!"

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 16:21 | 5083508 AssFire
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Terrorists won, they helped turn the US government into a terrorist organization against everyone everywhere, especially it's own citizens.

Problem is the government knew this all along as they also knew about 911 before hand. The end justified the means in their elitist minds.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 16:54 | 5083820 BellyBrain
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These are the real terrorists:

List of Politicians with Israeli Dual Citizenship

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 18:18 | 5084283 J S Bach
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"This killing of this black teen is not simply racism. The problems are much deeper. Claiming this is just racism deflects the entire issue and makes it simply black-v-white. This is something far more serious for it is impacting our entire society."


What is it about black folk that make them (to borrow the crass phrase) "chimp out" en masse whenever one of their own is alleged to have suffered an injustice at the hands of whitey?

I mean, what if white folk behaved the same way every time a black-on-white murder took place?  There would be perpetual riots by whites and blacks would cease to exist in this country within a month.  The numbers on inter-racial crimes are staggeringly disproportionate - with blacks doing most of the killing and/or raping.

What happened to the deceased fellow is a tragedy and harsh punishment should be meted out after a fair trial.  This is the way a civilized society functions.  If blacks cannot abide by this rigidity of the rule of law, then they shouldn't be allowed the privileges of citizenship.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 18:29 | 5084298 chumbawamba
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Dude, you got Whiteness Fever which is affecting your ability to see the reality that urban black folks live.  I'm not excusing the behavior--it's self-defeating, irrational and stupid--but there is a valid reason for it.

You ever seen a pot boil over?  Who do you blame there: the water, the fire, or the pot?

I am Chumbawamba.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 18:34 | 5084368 J S Bach
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Whose fault is the "reality for urban black folks", Chumba?  Are you going to say it's whitey's fault?  Because that's what the misguided black community says.


If a pot of water boils over, I place the blame on those who put the pot on the stove, turned the heat up to maximum and then walked away.  You can read between the lines and arrive at the logical conclusion of "who's to blame".


There are behavioral differences between the races which cannot be denied.  It's not "whiteness fever" (whatever the hell that means) to simply state truths about inter-racial crimes.


I am J S Bach.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 19:00 | 5084473 Umh
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The police are at fault based on your statement. "If a pot of water boils over, I place the blame on those who put the pot on the stove, turned the heat up to maximum and then walked away."

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 19:46 | 5084654 bunzbunzbunz
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The analogy is useless rhetoric that could be used for any argument. The parents are the cook. The schools are the cook. The society is the cook. The culture is the cook. The individual is the cook. 

In reality, human behavior is not as simple as a pot boiling. Nor is it as simple as genetics. It is a combination of genetics and every influence the world has on a person. If the simpletons want to continue comparing the looters of a differnet color to animals, simply consider the following:

If you are to walk up to a wild wolf with your hand out do you expect to keep your hand? Probably not. However if you raised a wild wolf from a pup, feeding it and conditioning it to you and people like you, always showing it fairness and security, the wolf as an adult would have a much, much lower probability of biting you. 

If readers cannot understand how this refutes applies to the arguments Mrs. J S Bach is making, you have no place in an arguement. Go back to your confirmation biased readings.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 20:00 | 5084696 Keyser
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I'm going to get junked for this, but here goes... 


Could it be that TPTB have been ramping up domestic police forces for the very reason that they know that when the EBT cards get turned off and entitlemnets have to be cut, they know what is going to happen... This case shows how quickly things can go pear shaped when the entitlement class doesn't get their way... 


Tue, 08/12/2014 - 20:19 | 5084808 Leonardo Fibonacci2
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Can we say that negro behavior is a genetic trait which is constant for the general population. Please do not interpret this as racist as there are major studies confirming my statement.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 20:38 | 5084892 Elvis the Pelvis
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Black men have to start taking care of their kids.  Try to riot with your father's boot up your ass.  The real problem is the break-up of the family.  It's happening to white people also.  Lack of responsibility will end up destroying the social fabric.  Bitchez.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 20:41 | 5084904 BellyBrain
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What Chumba was getting it is that the environmental factors that these people live under are far, FAR worse than most of us realize.  Growing up POOR, really poor, is a constant stressor.  Not having a father around is another stressor.  Not having access to healthy food is a stressor that most people don't even know exists.  These kids grow up surrounded by a decimated culture which they then find a way to fit themselves into.  Most of us would be a lot like them if we were raised in identical circumstances.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 21:23 | 5085109 0b1knob
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< Police militarization is the problem.

< Dumb knee grows are the problem.

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 00:14 | 5085738 Four chan
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the content of their character is that of a garbage can.

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 11:23 | 5087292 xavi1951
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You can take the N out of the jungle but you can't take the jungle out of the N.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 21:35 | 5085176 chumbawamba
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Don't bother, BB, we are dealing with intentional trolls and people devoid of love for their brother.  Either they just don't get it, can't get it, or they're intending to stir up hatred because that's all they know; it's what they thrive on, just like the people in Ferguson who are wrecking the place.  No solutions, no empathy, just more of the same to feed into the death spiral.

Ultimately it's a spiritual issue, and the folks who insist that stereotypes are universally and eternally true and an explanation for the behavior we see are devoid of any spirituality whatsoever.  They are creatures of a base nature, again, just like the rioters and looters, and until they can raise themselves up to a higher manifestation of intelligent being they will remain trapped in their own prison of hate and ignorance.

I am Chumbawamba.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 21:55 | 5085277 Handful of Dust
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I don't know aboout you guys, but all this rioting is making me hungry. What'dya say we head over to Popeye's for some thighs and breasts?

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 23:51 | 5085680 0b1knob
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 "intentional trolls and people devoid of love for their brother"

Oh cry me a river.  No amount of poverty, fatherless upbringing or militarized police excuses what is going on in Ferguson.   Theft and mindless destruction.  The really sad thing is that the people of Ferguson are destroying their own local community economy.

When this is all over the looted and burned grocery stores, drug stores and other stores will be gone for good, along with the local jobs they provided.   Ferguson will be what libtards refer to a food desert.   And the libtard soft racism will not see it as being a direct result of the actions of the people of Ferguson.

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 01:45 | 5085921 dubbleoj
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again its the drudge crowd who only read select few articles that are linked to the site. they hate government oppression, but only if its against themselves. guess what guys, its happening to you too. go to copblock or copwatchers websites and see your peers being harrassed and murdered on a daily basis. its not a race issue, the 0.001% hate us all and will use any manner of diversion to keep attention off themselves. we could probably take a lesson or two from these "thugs" that actually have the balls to rise up. how often do you talk about "the revolution is coming!" and then hate on people who have been oppressed like this for years and actually do something about it. yeah theyre animals, but what can you expect when you intentionally keep them caged because its a convenient way to keep us fighting amongst ourselves. there are no "proper channels to address your concerns" for them. can we please have a questionaire on this site to confirm whether or not members have read 1984 before being allowed to comment?

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 10:19 | 5086979 BooMushroom
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Stealing from your neighbors and burning down their buildings is not "rising up." If you knock someone over and try to steal their gun, they are going to fear for their life. If you make someone with a gun fear for their life, they're going to empty an entire magazine into you, center of mass.

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 14:58 | 5088377 BellyBrain
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Chumba, you're right of course, but I like to drop those little truth nuggets here and there for those who are on the cusp of moving into a deeper understanding of themselves / the world / the universe.  They're out there, reading but rarely commenting...

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 21:51 | 5085257 Government need...
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I've heard this condescending 'they so oppressed' argument from a number of 1%ers who have never lived on the block.  I have, and it isn't being poor or not having a father around or no access to healthy food that makes blacks disproportionately impoverished and incarcerated for violent crime.  Blacks the world over simply either cannot or refuse to form the stable government that incentivizes personal accountability and achievement.  Yes, this is also reflected in the nuclear family unit (disorder, little to zero organized cooperation).  Show me a single African nation where blacks are >50% of the government and population where the citziens are free and the economy is stable and growing.  On the other hand, what does that say about the future of the US, with an increasing % of blacks holding important government positions?   

Thu, 08/14/2014 - 00:14 | 5090796 Greshams Law
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Not picking a fight with you, but you asked for "a single African nation where blacks are >50% of the government and population where the citziens are free and the economy is stable and growing".


I'm invested there and doing quite well. If they keep out the Ebola, then they have a future. Very different culture compared to Ferguson.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 22:12 | 5085356 duo
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Then we should have never paid them to breed in the first place.  There was a time when the cost of raising a child rested on the parents, not other taxpayers.  Just sayin'.

Thanks, LBJ.

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 01:09 | 5085859 t0mmyBerg
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Ever see A Clockwork Orange?  Perhaps a little of the Ultraviolence and the Ludwig Van.  It is all society's fault you see...

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 06:57 | 5086246 brushhog
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Does this also explain the identicle behavior of blacks in the Congo, Haiti, Jamaica, Johannesburg, Kenya, Ethiopia, Botwana, etc, etc?

Are they all "victims of circumstance" reacting to special 'stressors' that are out of their control? How come nobody else is?

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 04:27 | 5086112 drunkenlout
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As long as the good people are the majority, we'll be OK.  Local volunteer clean-up crews are starting to fix Ferguson.  Many locals have commented on the news about how the community needs the businesses that have been destroyed, both foir jobs and as sources of goods/services.  BTW, for those not local to St. Louis, Ferguson is a suburb, just East of Lambert International Airport.  It's four miles North of the burned-out crack house area of the North side of the city.   

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 05:48 | 5086171 Flagit
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St. Gaza, Missouri.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 19:36 | 5084612 bunzbunzbunz
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There are also behavioral differences between people with different IQ's. There are also behavioral differences between short people and tall people. There are also behavioral differences between people are different religions. There are also behavioral differences between people of different denominations/sects of the same religion. There are also behavioral differences between people wearing high heels vs. those wearing running shoes. There are also behavioral differences between people presenting thoughts on the internet and those presenting thoughts in public.

So what is the point you are trying to make?

There are behavioral differences between the heights which cannot be denied.  It's not "tallness fever" (whatever the hell that means) to simply state truths about short-tall crimes.

Now please try using real logic, instead of that limited shit you feel so proud to spew.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 18:35 | 5084369 TuPhat
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I blame you Chump.  You seem to be the one who thinks he's the cook.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 20:23 | 5084751 snodgrass
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Blacks have low IQs and high levels of testosterone. That's why they are prone to violence. When there is a natural disaster or a shooting of a black, the blacks riot and steal. When there is a natural disaster or a white person gets shot, there is rebuilding. That's the difference in IQ and hence culture. Hispanics are of a similar nature only slightly less violent. Jews changed the immigration laws in the 60s to bring more "diversity" i.e. crime, poverty and stupidity to our shores and to change our civilization. At the same time they have engendered endless guilt into whites to make them passive spectators in the destruction of their country and culture. White males are largely eunichs in America today only they call themselves "progressives" "liberals" or some other nonsense to hide the fact that they are nothing but a bunch of pansies.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 21:42 | 5085210 401K of Dooom
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Hmmmm, you are correct except for one thing.  The Jews were not the ones solely responsible for the screwup that we call our country at this time.  Remember the Aetheists, Humanists, Quakers, Trancendentalists, yippies, hippies and Unitarians were responsible as well.  All of those groups hold a vicious hatred of this country and want us all to die painful deaths.  Time to lock and load!

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 08:54 | 5086402 fiftybagger
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Wrong too.  You think this is the first Protestant nation the Jesuits have destroyed?

"We know, on its face, that the Vietnam War was called “Spelly’s War” - Cardinal Spellman’s war. He went over to the warfront many times and he called the American soldiers the “soldiers of Christ”. The man who was the Commander of the American forces was a Roman Catholic, CFR member, possibly a Knight of Columbus, I don’t know, but he was General William Westmoreland.

So, Westmoreland was Cardinal Spellman’s agent to make sure that war was prosecuted properly. And another overseer of Westmoreland was Cardinal Spellman’s boy, Lyndon Baines Johnson. Lyndon Baines Johnson was a 33rd-degree Freemason. He was also part of the assassination, with J. Edgar Hoover, another 33rd-degree Freemason.

And Johnson went to Cardinal Spellman’s death at St. Patrick’s Cathedral, and the picture can be seen in Cooney’s work The American Pope. So, Johnson was completely at the beck and call of Cardinal Spellman through Cartha DeLoach, the 3rd-in-control of the FBI. According to Curt Gentry, in his Hoover: The Man And The Secrets, DeLoach had a phone at his bedside direct to Johnson, and Johnson could call him anytime. DeLoach was a Knight of Malta, subject to Spellman.

Spellman wanted the Vietnam War, why? Spellman was controlled by the Jesuits of Fordham. Why did the Jesuit General want the Vietnam War? The people of Vietnam, the Buddhists, were unconvertible. They would not convert to Catholicism. They didn’t need Rome.

There had been a Jesuit presence in Vietnam for centuries, so it had been decided that about a million or so Buddhists would have to be “purged”. They would later continue this purge of Cambodia, with Pol Pot, and the purge is yet for Thailand. It was a purging of Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam of all these Buddhists, just like they purged the Buddhists of China with Mao Zedong, because Mao Zedong was completely controlled by the Jesuits. So, they wanted the Vietnam War.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 21:48 | 5085236 Tall Tom
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I have an elevated IQ. I have low levels of testosterone (medically tested.) I have a script for injectable testosterone...which I have not used.


I am German-Irish...I have a University Education where I studied Physics and Mathematics.


Because of the Federal Reserve making it impossible to live...I AM PRONE TO VIOLENCE.


But I am different in acting out. I will just recruit an army. You guys have made it so easy.


Here is how you can make a Land Mine.


You can modify this device by using Automotive Starting Fluid. (Ether and Petroleum Distallates give a much bigger bang for the buck.)  Then you add a Pressure Plate and Plunger to Break the Glass. Between the Device and Pressure Plate you can have a mixtue of Sheet Metal Screws and Lead Shot.


The ground will shape the blast upwards through the path of least resistance. (Some Physics for those who have not got the clue about the World Trade Center's Collapses.)


I am gathering the Homeless hoards and making them read the Comments on Zerohedge. Then I tell them that you live in the Gated Communities and the Rich Neighborhoods. I admonish them not to shit in their own nest.


It is funny when you see the look of hatred on their faces...after reading your crap.


Bringing Afghanistan to person at a the deserving whom profit from the despair.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 23:11 | 5085562 willwork4food
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Sorry tall tom but..what the fuck was that?

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 23:54 | 5085689 Tall Tom
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My response to the racism and hatred expressed on these threads.


The problem is not the hungry, angry masses. The Police are empowered by whom?


Whom are the puppets providing FINANCIAL SUPPORT for this?


It is the God Damned Central Banksters.


Maybe they need Afghanistan in their front yard!!!

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 01:20 | 5085877 All_Your_Base
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Tall Tom (literally) set them up the bomb ;)

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 02:05 | 5085967 Awakened Sheeple
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My thoughts as well Tom. Some people here have forgotten who the true enemies are, and why and how inflation is destroying our way of life.

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 05:54 | 5086175 Flagit
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I have low levels of testosterone (medically tested.) I have a script for injectable testosterone...which I have not used.



Tue, 08/12/2014 - 21:53 | 5085268 general ambivalent
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Jesus this place turns to a blabbering mess when race and certain other issues come up. Ever hear of the Stanford Prison Experiment? People will quite readily play whatever role is assigned to them when forced into an environment. Meaning they will fight back against the rules or enforce the rules dependent upon the conditions in society (rules of the game/experiment) and the environmental potential (ie. what rules are set forth in the experiment to limit fighting back, and what resources are available to fight back). In the Stanford Prison Experiment one individual was left to fight back with a hunger strike and placing the bed in front of the door, because that's all he had. All the other prisoners capitulated, and the guards played out their management role with no questions asked, just happy they were on the right side of the line.

Now this is important because these psychos that set up all these psychiatric experiments were working with the CIA. And now we live in a society that is run by the deep state, CIA, militarised police, etc. Which means we are living in an elaborate prison experiment. And guess what that means, people we react as if they are in a prison.

What is the environment of white people and black people? Both relatively shitholes. White people twitter away and black people drink booze or smoke weed in an alley. Huge stereotypes of course. There are good people in any area of society, even if few and far between. However, if we divide a line in the same way that the Stanford Prison Experiment did then we have white people as guards and black people as prisoners. This is often how identity politics represents things. More accurately white people are in the low- to medium-security housing units, and black people are in the max to supermax prisons. There is a divide, whether or not you like it or can come to admit it is a difficult contradiction for most ideologies that exist today.

The ghetto is a shithole, it's a prison. And I'm sure we can all agree the supermax prison riot is a far cry from the moaning going on at the low-security housing units. Everyone knows that the white collar prisons are safe enough for the inside-trading experts to take a holiday.

Another way to put this. American independence was founded upon wasting the items of the King, chucking it into harbour. Now how is the economy run? A bunch of useless items from China, fictions in phones, and media to subdue the masses. In this sense isn't the looting very much a part of the independent American spirit? Aren't these people taking these useless items and putting them to use? Why then, do you all have such a problem with it? Perhaps there is a much deeper issue at play if the black people in the ghettoes have taken to traditional American direct action while white folks are just sitting in front of the smart-NSA screens.

And the Big Black Man says, "We rioted some folks."

Let's be honest for a moment, this society is complex as hell, it's a madhouse, and hardly anyone knows what to do. But destroying the fictions of a society often become the start of something much bigger. Maybe this is just random and thoughtless destruction, but first we have to see why it occurs and if it is not enough for a revolution then we have to figure out what is wrong and how to get to that new approach of direct action. I don't think these riots are it, but I think they are much closer to the truth than what most people can come up with.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 22:10 | 5085311 general ambivalent
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As a side, I'd suggest checking out the songs (the lyrics even, if you don't like hip-hop):

Reason being that discussion of the Truth movement and Illuminati is quite common in hip-hop culture. Not all black people are the Free Shit Army from the cornerstore, just like not all white people are the Free Shit Army from Wall Street.

Obama is inpower to separate the real issues. Race arguments are just convenient displacement, don't fall for it.

Bonus points if you can share 'white music' that is this intelligent today (I know some, but it's nowhere near as popular).

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 23:43 | 5085653 Noturbelayslave
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Pokerface: Rather Die

One of my personal favorites. I have a whole playlist of "inspiration" such as this.

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 11:55 | 5087510 general ambivalent
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For all the downvotes I don't see any links to white music that discuss such ideas. Unless you count Nickelback's songs for Monsanto.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 22:02 | 5085318 Handful of Dust
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Snodgras makes a valid point. Look at what various cultures have built...China's Great Wall....Japan's incredible growth after WWII ...  Thailand's incredible anceint cities ... Cambodia ... Aztec and Mayan temples all over Central and South America [for goodness sake, look at Machu Picchu!] ... and so on....

Now lets look at the African continent and cultures.....mmmm....

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 23:37 | 5085631 Kobe Beef
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How many books are on your bookshelves? 

If your answer is more than 0, you have more books than were ever produced in pre-Colonial Sub-Saharan Africa.

Now let that sink in. 

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 23:56 | 5085694 TeethVillage88s
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Handful of Dust;

You must know that English or US Education is censured on all history. It is conflict of Interest.

Empires destroy Books, Libraries, Statues, Writing, Cuniform, Paintings, Philosophy,... maybe they save navigation and astronomy. Maybe they keep instruments to sail the seas with, engineering instruments, agriculture, seeds, animals, produce, teas, and whatever pleases the king or queen.

OK, government Stats are complete BS. If you look at US Public Debt you would exclaim, wow Inflation $17.6 Trillion. But they say "No". And what is hidden from Mesopotamian History by families or groups?

Hope I don't sound one sided. But after Latin America gained Independence one nation at a time from Spain, there was no Land Reform. The hacienda systems set up by Chart by the King of Spain took the best agricultural lands and best Mining Claims. Those families are the ones who are wealthy today maybe a modern equivalent of Royalty. Some of them said to be very nice people.

- Land Reform requires this idea of Commons or Public Utility
- I like the Idea of Property Rights
- No one likes the Idea of Nationalization if they are the Executives or Owners of a Corporation or Land
- Commons is a sort of limited right to Land or Market Place
- Some native peoples ended up with commons in the form of Town Land, Boat Access to Beaches, Fishing Rights, sort of like a Commune
- Eminent Domain is where your land is taken for the common public good in development of a city center, highway, pipe line, power line, water way, or some corporation use

- 5000 years of laws written in stone, we still can't get this straight since Power & Money corrupts the laws.

Basic Principals have to be laid out in the US Constitution or Primary Common Law. But I don't think the concept of Utilities or Commons were clear. US law in the Great Depression is created to address problems of Economic Shocks and to realize that people need government intervention in controlling Commodities needed for living an life... for everyone.

Fed Money Data updated from Jan 2014

M1 Money Stock, 2014-06-16: $2.83 Trillions of Dollars (Exponential Growth, but doesn't include Dollars overseas)
M2 Money Stock, 2014-06-16: $11.32 Trillions of Dollars
MZM Money Stock, 2014-06-16: $12.54 Trillions of Dollars (Money with zero Maturity)

Looks like 1981 was the Money Velocity high, note manufacturing plunged 1979. (Top was 2007 Q4 at 10.7, now down to 6.3) (Top was 1997 Q3 at 2.2, now down to 1.5) (Top was 1981 Q1 at 3.5, now down to 1.4) (Top was January 1987 at 3.1, now down to .7) (Employees: Manufacturing 12.1 M Persons)

M1V M1 Velocity of M1 (6.305 Ratio)
M2V M2 Velocity of M2 (1.540 Ratio)
MZMV MZM Velocity of MZM (1.386 Ratio)
MULT M1 M1 Money Multiplier (0.705 Ratio)

Federal Debt: Total Public Debt
2014:Q1: 17,601,227 Millions of Dollars (+ see more)
Quarterly, End of Period, Not Seasonally Adjusted, GFDEBTN, Updated: 2014-05-29

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 11:53 | 5087498 general ambivalent
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Pyramids, dumbass. You do realise that all of Illuminati and conspiracy theory stems from Ancient Egyptian mythology, right? Not to mention that much of the three major religions took their ideas from Egypt, meaning that all of our culture is influenced by Egyptian mythology.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 22:30 | 5085432 Panafrican Funk...
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Mississippi (the highest % black population in the US) and West Virginia (one of the lowest) have pretty similar crime rates.  Guess what else is similar about these states?  They both rank in the top 10 in % of population in poverty.  The Jews have brought successive waves of actual or implied slaves of various types in order to make money.  You're overthinking it from there.

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 00:30 | 5085776 Government need...
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'Similar crime rates'  What crimes, how similar comparatively, and how is that measured?

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 20:12 | 5084775 Duffy
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this kind of thinking is well intentioned but a big part of the fucking problem

I don't see African Americans marching in protest over the daily black on black shootings in Chicago and elsewhere.


This is looting by the Free Shit Army.  This isn't some well thought out ideological protest - it's a bunch of blacks who are offended by death only when done by "Whitey" whom they assume to be motivated only by racism, and not by a need to keep a lid on the inner city which these looters have proved is a powder keg.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 20:59 | 5085001 chumbawamba
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One, two, three idiot responses to my comment, each one perhaps dumber than the last.

You can't teach math to a squirrel.  When you folks have evolved to a higher order being then maybe we can connect on an intellectual level.

I am Chumbawamba.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 21:54 | 5085274 Government need...
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Nice name-calling, fucktard.  Get your weak-ass shit and shove it back up where you keep your brain.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 20:58 | 5084995 buyingsterling
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Bach, The answer is responsibility; they are literally taught that their circumstance is whitey's fault, and incredibly unfair. They don't react like we do because they see the world differently.

There is a lot of truth to the idea that blacks get the short end of the stick, but Farakhan has a better grasp on it than the 'mainstream' black leaders: the problems are fiat money and family formation/responsibility.

The system that's been imposed on the rest of us has affected blacks worse because they started at a lower point, and the left has explicitly sought to ghettoize them; there's a good chance that successful blacks will leave the liberal plantation. You can only take a person's life once, but if you can make him dependent on you, you can enslave him for a lifetime.


All that said, these looters are probably criminals 9-5, and they f*cked of all through school, caring only about being cool and getting off/high. They have no usefull skills, no social skills, are probably illiterate, and are likely no more than one step removed from taxpayer subsistence - they're on it or derive their income from those who are.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 21:13 | 5085074 chumbawamba
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I'm glad you rightfully specified the looters, and did not resort to condemning the entire black community in Ferguson as others have.

What about the 95% of blacks in Ferguson who are not rioting?  Are they also low-IQ/high-testosterone lesser beings like the looters because they have similar skin color and ethnicity?

Some people just can't seem to break out of the indoctrination.  Either that or they are low-IQ/high-testosterone individuals that believe race is the primary determining factor in whether or not one is inclined towards violence.

I'm not going after you on this, BS, but the folks to whom you are responding.

I am Chumbawamba.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 22:07 | 5085339 Government need...
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The US (and global) crime statistics demonstrate blacks are much more likely to commit violent crime than other ethnicities.  This metric has been stable through the last 30 years.  IQ databases show blacks test 1-1.5 standard deviations below other ethnicities.  This metric has been stable through the last 30 years.  Taking a very rational view, it makes sense to avoid blacks, if you wish to minimize your risk of being a victim of violent crime.  I'm sure you live 'on the block' though.  Just remember, 'Stop snitchin'.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 21:50 | 5085246 401K of Dooom
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What short end of the stick?  We gave them TRILLIONS of dollars!  Where do you think the national debt came from?  What about Affirmative Action?  Nixon signed the executive orders that created legal discrimination against whites!  Every day I am told I am a piece of %&$(#%&$(*$#& for having white skin!  How are they disavantaged at this moment?  If you say the wrong thing to a brother, the guy can beat you up and no one will prosecute him.  On the other hand, you can be prosecuted for a hate crime and your life is ruined!  Screw that, I am sick of the "Waaah my life is so bad, you have to suffer for me!"  line of garbage!  You want to give homey a fair chance?  Give him a lift into Westport CT. and let him keep in real in that hood!

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 23:17 | 5085582 New_Meat
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Yo, chumba, so that rage, the water, the fire, the pot?????

It causes individuals (or maybe more, let's stop there) to rob womens shoe storez?

give me a fricken break.

- Ned

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 02:23 | 5085976 California Nigh...
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All this talk about racism...  to me, it's mostly bullshit. 

Ths is not North Carolina, circa 1920. Blacks have become a favored race, especially in the coastal cities. If you are black and you have half a brain, corporations are very eager to hire you for jobs you are marginally qualified to do. 

And there have been too many Ferguson type riots in recent years. You don't even hear about them unless you follow alt sites like Drudge. The MSM won't tell you about them. 

The police need to shoot some of these fuckers. It only takes a few examples. Even dumbest, craziest fucks understand force. 

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 13:32 | 5087954 durablefaith
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I am surprised at the number of downvotes. You are a veteran ZH poster and your comments are often poignant and insightful.

Your boiling pot analogy is very thought provoking.

IMHO, the government has set up financial incentives and disincentives that have placed the pot and turned up the heat. I've worked in some of the ghettos and HUD complexes that police dont like to frequent. The worst time to go there is after the welfare payments. The checks get cashed or cards get refilled and the party is on. The following day, the furniture and lots of empty beer cans are in the streets.

The inhabitants who stay are rewarded to have kids, to not work, to not marry, and to participate in illegal substance trading. For about two years now, the news has told everyone that there were flashmobs and that there were NO ARRESTS.

Hmmm. Who turned up the heat indeed? "

Uncle Sam and Uncle Tom, yes they are da same mon." Steel Pulse

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 18:17 | 5084286 chumbawamba
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They used to be called "peace officers".  A "police officer" is a policy enforcer, enforcing the police-y's of the local municipality.  They are private security guards for a members-only business establishment.

If you aren't a member, their policies don't apply to you.

I am Chumbawamba.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 19:05 | 5084491 Manthong
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P’s me off to agree..

But “To Serve And Enforce” has replaced “to serve and protect”

The issue is WHO ?

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 19:09 | 5084510 photonsoflight
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Most of the cops I have met never investigate real crimes. They are there to issue tickets for speeding and seat belt violations as well as an occasional dui. Sometimes some young punk with a nice car will get pulled over with a joint and loose his car. Most are there to generate money for the officials they serve. As for thieves, rapist and murderers they might investigate if those crimes receive to much press and that means mostly putting out a reward for information. I've never seen them do anything like they do on tv shows. I don't trust them and for the most part I humor them like I would any crazy, well armed person with delusions of grandeur.

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 02:23 | 5085975 r00t61
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I'll just leave these here.


"Cop Fired for Speaking Out Against Ticket and Arrest Quotas"



"Court OKs Barring High IQs for Cops"


PS: As a US citizen, you have no Constitutional right to police protection.  If you've ever taken a conceal carry course this should be one of the first things they teach you.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 19:08 | 5084500 slightlyskeptical
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Traitors to our country. Full allegiance or none.

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 06:40 | 5086226 Scott_WWS
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Terrorists didn't win anything.


Bin Laden and Khalid Sheik Mohammed bombed The World Trade Center with the EXPRESS PURPOSE of getting Americans to re-examine America's support for Israel. This never happened.

Terrorism rarely works.

The used anger for our support for Israel (and other dictatorships in the Middle East) as an EXCUSE to curtail our civil rights.

You have a 1,000 times greater chance to be killed crossing the road than by terrorism. The threat to Americans by terrorists is minimal (at best). It is a CREATED enviornment by the Oligarchs and those who sell armored vehicles to cops.

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 08:36 | 5086475 snodgrass
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Moron. Bin Laden and KS Mohammed didn't do anything. Bin Laden was in another part of the world when 911 happened and Mohammed has been waterboarded so many times he doesn't know what he's done.

It was the Anglo-American elite and Zionists who pulled off 911.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 16:17 | 5083524 bob_stl
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If the cop isn't charged, or if he is and gets acquitted, the rioting will make what happened Sunday night look like a picnic.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 16:49 | 5083789 NuckingFuts
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Having worked in St. Louis for over a decade (no longer thank God), I have to say that Ferguson is one of "better" communities in North St. Louis County. There are so many neighborhoods far far worse. With that said, anything is fucking possible. Yes race and the culture is a huge part of the problem no doubt but the huge lack of any opportunity coupled with a police force that is obviously paranoid and ready to shoot first, who knows what comes next.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 17:01 | 5083867 bob_stl
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A lot of those people who came in to loot were from North St. Louis and East St. Louis who saw an opportunity to take advantage of for their own gain.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 18:12 | 5084260 The Big Ching-aso
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There's a brewing problem.....

You mean like a case of Colt 45?

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 03:41 | 5086054 California Nigh...
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One might see opportunity in this crisis. A chance to nip this looting bullshit in the bud.

Are the police out of control? 

I suppose they are, to some extent. 

But the looting is about looting. Most of the looters don't give a fuck about justice.

I want to see them gunned down by the police.

This nation has to get ahold of itself.

We might be facing some REAL problems soon. 

The black boy and fate of Robin Williams - these matters are NOTHING in comparison to the shit storms that are brewing.

To me, the general public's obsession with such petty shit is a danger sign. 

All day, on various radio stations, Robin Williams and nothing else. Even a death of a President (assuming we for once had a REAL President) is not so important.

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 03:38 | 5086071 California Nigh...
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Uh... one further note. It is imaginable to me that the MSM just fills the space with bullshit "news" without regard to listener interest. 

I say this because in recent weeks, MSM has largely steered clear of frank discussion of the emerging Ebola threat and the catastrophic storming of our borders, down south.

These are important stories that interest most sensible people.   

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 18:19 | 5084295 markpower49
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You are another white making excuses for black failure and dysfunction.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 18:37 | 5084380 TuPhat
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They had opportunity, they had the same choices in life that I had.  They chose differently.

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 03:42 | 5085951 Seeing Red
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In my CA high-school in the 70's half the white kids and virtually all the black kids just wanted to be cool -- education was not a priority.  The black kids were mostly bused in.  Some adults (black or otherwise) I meet now are quite cool/fun, but for many young people there appear to only be a few roads to (perceived) success and/or popularity:

Slacker (easy but poor long-term choice)

Gangster (violent, extreme lifestyle)

Sports (requires commitment, very competitive but with objective requirements)

Military (also requires commitment but one can die)

Model/Celebrity (only for the [superficially?] genetically advantaged; very competitive and age-sensitive)

Luckily, most asian kids see beyond those choices.  I am not sure what modern white kids are doing or thinking.

Summary:  we have a problem as long as "it's cool to be dumb" (or shallow, or violent).

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 03:56 | 5086083 California Nigh...
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Very interesting take.

Out here in sunny Cal, I'm very impressed with the Chinese I meet at work.  They work hard, live clean. Their kids are smart, eager beavers.

I am concerned that there aren't very many GOOD jobs even for those Chinese kids who go to highly selective Us like Cal.

The big money seems to stay at the top of each corpo pyramid. Second rung on down, white collar slave jobs.

The new grads stand to be disheartened after a few years and a few promotions only to discover that that have to work harder than ever for just a little more $. 

Could be part of the reason why some people from similar working class origins choose not to play the game. 

The slacker lifestyle has its charms.





Wed, 08/13/2014 - 03:06 | 5086028 laomei
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In all honestly, no, not really.  There was the whole slavery thing to begin with, which didn't help matters much.  Hard to see someone as a human when the law says they are not.  Down south there was a chance for change, but the reconstruction era got cut short and replaced with jim crow.  That right there was the chance as the former slaves were given a chance to be treated as equals.  That got fucked, things went to shit, blacks ended up no better off than slaves and ran to the north.  Up north, the liberals... also racist.. willing to tolerate a handful of token blacks as long as they were "the good ones".  Bitch about the south, you know, to make the south change and have those negros stay put down there (where they belong).  That kinda didn't happen though.  Hell, as soon as reconstruction policies were ended, first thing to do was "return" land that had been given to the former slaves back to massa.  

"Separate but equal" was never equal, separate definitely though.  There's a term "redlining", which went on for decades, basically fucking entire generations and leaving them without opportunity.  No blacky, you're not allowed to buy a home "here", why don't you go back over "there".  Basic social infrastructure... they never got it in the redlined areas.  Banking, nope, not that either.  An area gets anywhere near nice, and it's time to redevelop and "gentrify" it.  Jobs? Hard on new arrivals from Europe over the years, but as bad as the racism got there, blacks were always lowest on the totem pole.  So no, they didn't get opportunity en mass.  And that opportunity was frequently denied.  Toss em into housing projects, where the only real opportunities are criminal ones.  Find any excuse to lock em up and dream up trumped up charges.  This destroys stability, this destroys a family... no good role models to look up to, but hell, you can sling rock and make some cash.  Sling enough rock and maybe you can get out. 


The last real chance was back in the 60s, when society was still more "civil", the mass movements were still "peaceful" and the culture was still one that was not indoctrinated on glorifying violence.  That got fucked though, redlining stayed in place.  A handful who would "make it" and try to move into the "white neighborhoods" were hated for it (more racism).  I have seen this shit with my own white little eyes.  2 street beggars in a very white area.  The white one had been there for a year or so, no one cared.  Black one shows up, within 2 hours, you get 3 cop cars on scene arresting him.. you know, the typical: assaulting an officer (cop pinched his fingers on the cuffs), resisting arrest (he dared to ask what he did wrong), loitering, panhandling without a permit.  The white beggar, left alone but told to find a different spot.


Those chances were wasted, and now you have a very ugly culture which has made cities very unsafe, very segregated, and a shit economy ain't fucking helping much either when it's all very much on a hair trigger as it is.  You have a police force which has been militarized and knows they will get away with basically anything.  The issue is that thanks to social media and low/no barrier entry to that portal, word about shit spreads pretty fucking fast about things now.

Education is fucked too.  It's all test-based and schools getting funding cut for any excuse as budgets tighten up.  Again, racism in there as well, any excuse to cut funding to things that old white people don't like.  The core problem of course being that throwing money at education doesn't work.  The neocons are totally in favor of privatization, which means profit.. but for every 1 "good example" there are another 9 which are even worse than the public systems they defunded.  To an investor, that's not bad, to society it's horrible.  So, you have shit schools that teach nothing, students who are raised without stable familes in a violent culture.  You have a jock-culture which hates "nerds". And the only ones left to really look up to are the few who "made it" in the criminal underworld.  Gee, wonder why they give up on school and turn to the only thing that they think gives them a chance... low-ROI sports, "rapping" (the more violent the better), and drugs (that demand isn't going anywhere).

This isn't a "white guilt trip" either.  The prison system wasn't so brutal once upon a time.  Well, it was, but that brutality was coming from the system itself.  The inmates were more or less equal.  One of the few places in society where color didn't matter.  Hell, the big black guys were muscle there too, primarily beating the crap out of anyone who dared to go for the whole prison-rape thing.  Crips/Bloods? You have the prisons to thank for that.  Attica was a result of unity.  Inmates who are not fighting with each other, tend to plot and plan with each other instead.  There was far less hatred between the races amongst released inmates.  This... this was a problem.  Creating these prison gangs and encouraging easily defined race-based hatreds was pretty easy, it also meant that prisons could cut budgets back as the inmates took care of all the dirty work themselves.

Then the drugs... oh the drugs, thank you CIA for dumping crack on the streets to fund your contra bullshit.  They do the same today even with heroin (ya think all that afghani shit finds it's way over on its own?)  The crack-wave coincided with reaganomics, which fucked everything to begin with.  That was kind of the final straw though.. crack was a cheap way to escape and tune out, and it ripped apart whatever was left of inner-city black society, making rich men (role models) out of drug dealers.  The prison gang culture was a perfect vehicle to use.


So overall, no, they didn't have opportunity.  They have been fucked for centuries, told to stand up and be men, then have that stripped from them when they dared to try.  Then treated as subhumans for decades.... again told to stand up and walk as men, and again have that all stripped away from them.  Different vehicles, same core issues.  Everyone is fully aware that cops lie and their precious union backs them up.  Everyone is fully aware that cops lie for each other as well.  All there is to see here is a cop killing a black kid for no legitimate reason.  For some retarded fucking reason cops have been trained to never take the high road.  Here they are, with all these arrest powers, the power to destroy lives, issue fines, and flat out lie and get away with it.  But taking a punch and walking it off? Nope.  Why bother with that when they can just be judge jury and executioner with zero physical supporting evidence to back them up and a system that will look the other way and pretend they are not just another street gang.  Cops have lied too often, been caught too often (and still gotten away with it), and the system is no longer in anyway seen as legitimate (for damn good reasons).  Police went from beat-cops who everyone in the neighborhood knew and could trust... to cruising the streets looking for an opportunity to fuck shit up and meet quotas.  Less communication, less interaction, less trust, less legitimacy.


It's all fucked now, fucked up good and nice.  No single president or congress is to blame.  It's the entire shitty society and dog-whistle racism wrapped up in "good-intentions".  A reckoning is coming, because it has to come.  Shit's not getting better.  The handful of blacks who play along with the system, stay in school, get out, get through college... are finding that there are no fucking jobs.  Sling that rock, drop out of school, doesn't fucking matter.  Call em the "free shit army" or whatever, that's bullshit.  It's called using and taking advantage of a system which has left them good and fucked as it is.  It's never been "good times" for them as a whole, and when it's no longer "good times" for white people, the first on the firing line are the underclasses.

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 09:32 | 5086458 dontgoforit
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People only still see 'color' because politicians make them see it.  And when groups of any race go out and do things like we are seeing in Ferguson, is it not logical that that group is going to be get a bad name for doing bad things?  Would it make a difference if the cop was black?  It shouldn't, but it would.  And, what if the teen (who appeared to be quite large) threatened the cop?  Does the purported fact that the kid was headed to college mean he's exempt from obeying a  police officer rather than 'getting in his face' or trying to take his gun away?  Now, we don't know all the facts and we may never know the complete truth; however, there was no particular reason for the cop to shoot a kid in broad daylight just for the heck of it.  The rioting is a crime of opportunity too often used by people to steal with impunity under the anonymous cover of the crowd.  It has nothing to do with the 'perceived' injustice.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 22:15 | 5085367 duo
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I'm glad I take the southern route around STL when I drive

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 09:26 | 5086704 MrBoompi
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PROTECT my fellow officers while I SERVE up your brain on a platter.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 16:27 | 5083608 JuliaS
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Actually the 2nd amendment is the license to kill on the grounds of being perceived as potencially armed and dangerous. In a country where anyone can own a gun it's convenient for the nearly invincible over-geared law enforcement to treat everyone as a threat.

- It looked like he had a gun, so I had to shoot him.

Haven't I heard this one before!


Tue, 08/12/2014 - 16:49 | 5083797 boattrash
Tue, 08/12/2014 - 17:12 | 5083935 max2205
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MO is a shithole

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 19:05 | 5084493 El Crusty
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As a Missouri resident I have to ask- If you think Missouri is a shithole, then what utopian land do you live in sir?

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 20:46 | 5084931 FeralSerf
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It's not called the State of Misery for nothing.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 19:23 | 5084566 thamnosma
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No, but St. Louis sure the hell is

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 19:57 | 5084699 NuckingFuts
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Some of the areas out state away from the cites are beautiful. I lived there for 15 years and yes St. Lou sucks and there are some really crazy meth-head trailer trash types out in the 'hollers'. The one thing I found the most depressing was the educational system. But, it's not any bigger shithole than a lot of other places in Merica.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 18:37 | 5084040 JuliaS
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The government has no problem with people pointing guns at eachother, just as long as you don't point them at the real troublemakers. That's how the Skinner Box works.

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 05:50 | 5086172 RadioactiveRant
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You should learn from your old masters :-) The Met Police in London shot a Scottish man, suspecting he was Irish, carrying a table leg in a plastic bag.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 18:09 | 5084252 Antifaschistische
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I pretty much agree with everything in this article.

However, what the police wear and how heavy their truck secondary to their responsibility to protect the lives AND property of others.   So, sure...I think it's retarded that they show up to the party with automatic weapons.   Yet, the night sticks they used to carry were declared illegal.  That wasn't their doing.

So....I don't care, coctail bomb those stupid military vehicles they're driving around in.  But allow them to do what they need to do to stop the uncontrollable looting.  If it were your store, you'd feel the same way.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 20:30 | 5084860 whered_who_go
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If they used the military vehicles for the purpose of "doing what they need to do to stop the uncontrollable looting", and drove up to that QT while they were setting it on fire, and the "weave"  store while the looting was going on and DID their actual jobs, we would be having the NECESSARY discussion about what happened to that kid and trying to seek the truth. But letting that behavior happen, and then coming in the next evening into neighborhoods to shoot tear gas and rubber bullets at people is completely unacceptable, and I would argue borderline unconstitutional. It just gives the MSM more opportunities to divide the citizens further. I can only imagine how hard it is to be a police officer in this day and age, but theamount of force we are seeing from them is un-American.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 21:27 | 5085123 CH1
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Cops are thugs.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 19:48 | 5084666 ajax
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Another view of the photograph shown in the article but this time a lot more clear:

Fucking nightmarish.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 21:11 | 5085062 taxpayer102
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"Friend Who Winessed Michael Brown Shooting Speaks'


"According to the young man, he and Brown, 18, were walking and talking when a squad car pulled up. The officer in the car told them to “get the f--k on the sidewalk.”

"The young men told the officer that they were almost at Johnson’s residence and that is when things got violent ... on the part of the cop, Johnson said."

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 04:09 | 5086087 California Nigh...
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Not sure what to make of this.

Drive thru the largely black Tenderloin of S.F., sometime.

You see a lot of surly black men walking slowly in the middle of the street, stopping traffic,  as if to say, "Go ahead, run me over, white-assed motherfucker."

Well, we NEED the cops to bang a few heads.

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 09:05 | 5086597 WeeWilly
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Is this story anywhere near the truth? Nah...

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 23:31 | 5085618 willwork4food
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The cameraman/woman was behind the dude with the right side police aimed right at them. They did not take their camera or kill them.  Sometimes you have to get happy for what you have.

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 01:08 | 5085856 Dubaibanker
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This is a MUST SEE video to understand what happened at the shooting. Big Mike's friend who was with him, speaking with his lawyer on CNN. Police have still not interviewed him or taken his statement. Is this a sick joke? .........On top, it is very difficult to find this video on the front page or under video section of CNN....

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 01:44 | 5085863 Kobe Beef
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Riiiight. This witness has assuredly not been coached. Assuredly not by the Professional Black Agitator standing to his left. I didn't know inner city youts spoke legal boilerplate. Quick, aks the witness what verbatim means, or how to spell it.

Check the photos: there's Big Mike sporting colors, throwing signs, and representing his set. The same Big Mike with four violent felony convictions already on his file. His juvenile record is sealed of course.

So two gangbangers are walking down the middle of the street, creating a public nuisance. When confronted by an officer of the law, one decides to fight, and gets shot.

Local Urban Terrorists, or Youts, for short, or Louts if you prefer, stage an insurrection and Organized Blackness descends upon the city to issue Press Releases and get their cut of the wrongful death suit which will be filed against Ferguson and its Police Department. Did I miss anything?

Oh yeah, have they trademarked "Big Mike" yet?

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 06:35 | 5086218 Dubaibanker
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While you are probably right that this kid was trained prior to to the camera, but the description of events seems to be true.

Regardless of what the dead kid might have done in the past or said to the cop, killing him with 8 bullets is not the best way to handle a person who is not even 18 years old, especially when unarmed.

Dontcha think so?

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 18:46 | 5084416 WeeWilly
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I agree the militarization of the police is a disturbing trend. However, having been a sworn police officer in 5 decades I saw cops operate up close in the 70s and 80s. It is a fiction that in the old days cops used to be friendly. Many of the cops in the past were uneducated, brutish and racist... far more than they are today. 

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 19:15 | 5084535 photonsoflight
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That statement says way more than I think you realize. Thanks for speaking volumes about police in the past.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 20:16 | 5084794 BeanusCountus
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Have four or five ex-police officer friends. Posted here once or twice on what I thought was a bit too much negative perception on police as a group. I value a lot of the security they provide me from "perps" and think my friends are good people. I would even bet that many of the posters here would enjoy their company. Recently had a discussion with a couple of them about that disturbing business on the Nevada ranch. Specifically, how come I can't shoot someone to protect my "property", but the government can. Seems the only reason is that the government can now label anyone as a "threat to other people". Troubling. I'm armed to the teeth with almost everything they have, to protect my family, rights and property. They say that, sadly, the government can label me a threat to other people. The lines have become gray. This is how bad things start.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 22:12 | 5085358 Government need...
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Only a matter of time before some stormtroopers come rollin up on some heavily armed citizens who decide they feel their lives are being threatened by the LEO's perceived illegal actions.  If you dont protect your freedom, you will become a slave.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 23:41 | 5085648 willwork4food
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Wed, 08/13/2014 - 07:20 | 5086278 SWRichmond
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Yes, we have youtube now.  I grew up in the 60's.

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 09:20 | 5086674 dontgoforit
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What if they had just said, "Ok" and gone back up on the sidewalk like they were told to do - this wouldn't have happened.  That it did happen makes it sound like a hot-headed cop was out to exercise his authority and wound up a murderer simply because someone questioned his authority.  My dad always told me when someone with a gun tells you to do something, you best be doing it.

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 18:47 | 5089594 SWRichmond
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My dad always told me when someone with a gun tells you to do something, you best be doing it.

Be careful what you wish for.

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 03:03 | 5086024 A Nanny Moose
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Police Departments didn't even exist until the late 18th century. They are just gangs of thugs wearing fancy costumes.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 16:25 | 5083601 JRobby
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I can almost see them watching CSpan cheering every "Yay" vote as it (Patriot Act) sailed through both houses.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 15:33 | 5083254 Oleander
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Restricted airspace over Ferguson, MO per FAA. 3 NM radius.  WTF?

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 15:35 | 5083266 Dr. Richard Head
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Gotta keep news media from seeing what the police are about to try on the citizens there...

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 15:39 | 5083287 sessinpo
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Dr. Richard Head   


I don't suppose Richard is a middle name and Harry is your first name, is it?

I have a fraternity brother named Richard Cravens. We razzed him a bunch over that.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 16:55 | 5083824 Frankie Carbone
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Any relation to Craven Morehead, Mike Hunt, or Amanda Kiss!

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 19:43 | 5084638 oddjob
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cousin to Haywood Jablomee.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 15:43 | 5083300 Manthong
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Does that include itty bitty drones with HD cameras and encrypted RF links?

..they are losing it.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 17:12 | 5083898 PrintemDano
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Citizens?  A few of these friendly "citizens" need to be shot to dissuade other citizens from burning down the nation.Kid glove use will only encourage more rioting.  I prefer these citizens stay out of my neck of the woods,   Shooting a few may keep them in their tenements where they belong.  If you don't agree perhaps you'll volunteer for the Reginald Denny treatment, go ahead drive on in to their hood.   

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 17:19 | 5083977 buddybear
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Clearing the way for the Drones.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 15:39 | 5083283 SilverRhino
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Bringing in the gunships maybe?

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 16:16 | 5083514 LFMayor
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I just got wood...

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 17:12 | 5083940 PrintemDano
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One can dream.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 16:18 | 5083520 Quus Ant
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Open Season. 


Where's Norman Rockwell when we need him? 

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 16:37 | 5083700
Tue, 08/12/2014 - 17:08 | 5083901 Quus Ant
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I don't remember the conversation, but that is one more brick in the wall.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 18:19 | 5084297's picture

Not the article, the comment exchange that I linked to within the discussion.  

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 18:47 | 5084418 Raymond K Hessel
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Height of absurdity.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 22:53 | 5085471 Quus Ant
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k.  I'll check it out.   Thanks.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 16:21 | 5083554 bob_stl
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The Temproary Flight Restriction is right next to, and actually covers half of Lambert International Airport. It's really so the cops can fly unimpeded and not have to worry about airliners, or other aircraft, coming in to land.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 17:14 | 5083946 StackShinyStuff
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Why do you have to go and ruin it with your logical explanations?

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 18:49 | 5084428 Raymond K Hessel
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I still don't see the connection between cops and flight paths.  Did the militarization of police include an air force?  Did these fuckers get Kiowas? 

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 02:26 | 5085979 All_Your_Base
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the earlier flight restrictions did not apply to commercial airlines using Lambert airport or LEOs. Only press and free folk were banned from the airspace.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 17:18 | 5083971 RiderOnTheStorm
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I think Obummer gave all the looters a one way AirKenya ticket back to the homeland and he doesn't want anything in the way at the airport that would delay the takeoff.  Hopefully!

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 16:48 | 5083778 Herodotus
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Rumors that Putin is shipping arms to the Missouri negros.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 15:33 | 5083255 Oleander
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Double Post. Sorry.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 17:22 | 5084002 Slomotrainwreck
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Hey, If you're not going to use it, can I have it?

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 03:45 | 5086075 Salsipuedes
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That's fine sir. It will also be $180. Check or charge. No cash.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 16:31 | 5083660 Shizzmoney
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Wall St is the Government; Government *is* Wall St

When will people figure this out, en masse?  I mean, you get more objectivity on North Korean Television than you do on CNBC, for Christ's sake

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 22:20 | 5085388 Newtons Lawyer
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I live near Hilton Head, SC.  More cops per capita than anywhere I've seen.  Two squad cars every time they pull someone over, just because.  And they want to hire more.




Tue, 08/12/2014 - 23:49 | 5085676 gatorboat
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So your plan is to "hold the fort" with rioting and looting going on all around you?  That's how you plan to use the 2nd amendemnt?

That's not what 2nd amendment says.  It says you have that right so you can STOP GOVERNMENT TYRANNY.

I don't see anyone talking about that anymore.  Just this "hold the fort" mentality.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 15:30 | 5083232 LFMayor
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Your advice is sound, since Church street usually parallels it immediately to one side or the other!

Church St, Norfolk VA comes to mind, and a big shout out to all dem playas down there!

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 15:32 | 5083245 LordEffingtonTh...
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I lived in St Loo for a bit.  I did not have a cow when they shot any white miscreants....when are these guys going to learn the old maxim "Do not tangle with the cops"

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