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ISIS And The Coming Escalation In Iraq

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Submitted by Pater Tenebrarum of Acting-Man blog,

Kurdistan Has a New Neighbor – The Islamic State

A mere two and a half weeks ago, Falah Mustafa Bakir, the head of foreign relations for the KRG (Kurdish Regional Government), gave an interview to Vice News that contained several quite stunning statements (see below for details). At the time (i.e., in late July), the Kurdish Peshmerga had just taken over areas of Iraq that have been contested for a long time. Specifically, the Kurds regarded these areas – most important among them the oil-rich city of Kirkuk – as their territory.

There was an agreement that the status of Kirkuk would eventually be put to a vote, but Iraq's central government kept delaying the promised referendum, probably because it suspected that the likely outcome would be a vote in favor of Kirkuk joining the autonomous Kurdish region. This would presumably have deprived Baghdad of a sizable chunk of oil revenue. So when ISIS conquered Mosul, the Kurdish Peshmerga took the opportunity to take over Kirkuk. The Iraqi army had already fled from the disputed region, so all the Peshmerga had to do was waltz in and move into the now deserted former Iraqi military bases (similar to ISIS, they also ended up with a nice chunk of Iraqi army equipment).

In late July, an uneasy truce obtained between the Kurds and ISIS. The general view on the ground was that ISIS could simply not afford to fight too many enemies at once. Moreover, rumor had it that ISIS and the KRG had worked out a sub rosa agreement to respect their respective areas of control and not tread on each other.

The interview with Bakir begins at approx. 0:50 in the video below. Several of his statements, as well as his demeanor and tone of voice strongly suggest that some kind of deal with ISIS did indeed exist at the time. Among other things, Bakir mentioned that the Iraqi army was lacking in morale, in spite of being extremely well equipped and in theory well trained, and that its dishonorable flight meant the Peshmerga had no reason to ever leave Kirkuk again. After all, so Bakir, if Baghdad really cared about Kirkuk, its army wouldn't have turned tail and run away. Among his most stunning statements were however the following:

“The reality on the ground in Iraq has changed…today's Iraq is different from last week's Iraq.

 

[…]

 

“The political landscape in Iraq has changed…the balance of power has changed…and now we are a neighbor to another emerging state in Iraq: The Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant. Today, Iraq is not our neighbor – ISIS is our neighbor.”

(emphasis added)

That sure didn't sound like Mr. Bakir expected ISIS to go away anytime soon. He probably still doesn't.

 

Part of a series of reports by Vice News on Iraq from late July, including an interview with Kurdish foreign relations chief Falah Mustafa Bakir (between 0:50 to 3:40).

 

However, in the meantime the situation has once again changed. ISIS is in fact fighting the Kurds now, and the vaunted Peshmerga were actually on the run until US airstrikes slowed ISIS down. Actually, they have so far failed to really slow it down much.

 

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A fairly recent map of the territory controlled and/or contested by ISIS via the Economist. Since this map was drawn, a few days have passed, and the Northeastern border has undergone a few additional shifts (see below for details) – click to enlarge.

 

The Islamic State Keeps Growing In Spite of Air Strikes

The initial reaction of ISIS to the news of US involvement was actually glee. Since the KRG and Baghdad also welcomed the US intervention, we may assume that almost everybody in Iraq is happy now. As Jason Ditz reports:

“ISIS fighters took to Twitter with glee over the weekend to celebrate the Obama Administration’s decision to join the war against them in Iraq, seeing it as both a big morale booster and a potentially huge recruitment tool.

 

“The crisis will become a gift,” noted one, saying that the US was ISIS biggest enemy, and that US involvement would quicken their takeover of the Persian Gulf. Many of the Twitter posts expressed eagerness to target US warplanes now involved in the war, as well as hopes to attack other US allies across the region.

 

New English-language ISIS videos are emerging urging Westerners to join ISIS as soon as possible. Some of those in the videos identify themselves as Americans and Britons. ISIS already had a bumper crop of Westerners join the war in Syria over the past couple of years, with large numbers of fighters coming from EU member nations. The early signs are that the US involvement will only help bolster those numbers further.

 

[…]

 

ISIS leaders seem to understand much better than the Obama Administration that the US involvement in the war is a game-changer on the ground, and not the good kind like you’d want.

(emphasis added)

With support from US air strikes, Kurdish Peshmerga forces managed to dislodge ISIS from several villages it had captured in the course of its recent march on Erbil, but even while that happened, the militants took several other towns in Diyala province, and arguably more important ones. The IS-held territory has increased further as a result.

ISIS is now approaching the border between Iraq and Iran, which is almost certain to be regarded as an alarming development by Iran's government. As we noted already back when the group first came to everybody's attention, a free-for-all in Iraq remains a good possibility (reportedly, Iranian military advisors are already in Iraq, in parallel with American ones).

For the details we once again consult a summary by Jason Ditz that links to a number of further information sources. Note that at the time of writing, the situation described below is already a day or so in the past, so there is a good chance that the realities on the ground will have shifted again by the time you read this. The main point is that ISIS' conquest continues to have a great deal of momentum. Moreover, the report contains information that indirectly confirms that the fighting force ISIS is able to muster must be quite large by now:

“With US warplanes supporting them, the Kurdish Peshmerga has pushed back against ISIS in the area just southwest of Irbil, taking the villages of Gwer and Makhmour back, along the border between Kurdistan and the Nineveh Province.

 

The US airstrikes seem primarily focused in this area, trying to blunt the ISIS offensive as it nears the Kurdish capital at Irbil. Yet this isn’t the only site of combat between ISIS and the Peshmerga.

 

Indeed, the two villages ISIS lost were dramatically overwhelmed by the ISIS gain in the Diyala Province, where they routed the Peshmerga and seized the strategically important town of Jalawla.

 

Jalawla had been the site of an ISIS suicide bombing earlier in the day, which killed 10 Peshmerga fighters and wounded 80 others . By the end of the day, the Peshmerga was in retreat, fleeing northward, closer to their home territory.

 

The town is an important stop on the road between Baghdad and Iran, and just 20 miles from the Iranian border is the farthest east ISIS has yet advanced. It also gives them strategic control over yet another northern highway, limiting the flow of forces between Kurdistan and the remaining territory of the Iraqi central government.

 

Jalawla is one of the southernmost Kurdish towns in Iraq, and was a site of  major bombings against the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan in June. Its loss will be a morale blow to the Peshmerga, as well as a likely eye-opener for Iran, as ISIS draws ever nearer their border.

 

The US air war at present seems focused on the Kurdish-ISIS battles, though ISIS seems to be hitting targets all over their frontier, trying to force the Peshmerga into spreading themselves thin, and is having continued success in taking meaningful territory, despite the loss of Gwer and Makhmour earlier today.”

(emphasis added)

What we find most remarkable in this report is that it once again confirms that ISIS is able to concurrently strike numerous targets spread over a large area. Not to forget, the group continues to fight the Syrian army as well and is lately even engaging the Lebanese army. Most of the equipment it has captured in Iraq was reportedly moved to the Syrian theater, but presumably some of that will find its way back into Iraq now.

It is by now a near certainty that US involvement in the new Iraq war is set to expand considerably. President Obama has gone – within just three days – from “protecting the Yazidi and Erbil” to “protecting Baghdad” and now to “stopping the formation of an Islamic State on the territory of Iraq and Syria”. The “limited engagement” can no longer be expected to last a mere few weeks, but will be of indeterminate duration. Congress is split between those who want war, those who want even more war, and those who want all-out war. The media are of course gung-ho as well (no surprise there). President Obama took pains to point out that it was actually not he, but president Bush who signed the withdrawal agreement with Iraq's government. He also expressed regret that the US engaged only in limited aerial bombardment in Libya, instead of providing support to the new government (by means of boots on the ground, one presumes). 

As a practical matter, it should be pointed out that aerial attacks already require a limited presence of ground troops, so as to properly guide the strikes. Moreover, since US military advisors are already in Iraq, it will only be a small step to full-scale escalation, especially in light of the fact that it seems nigh impossible to achieve all the lofty goals enumerated by the president solely by air strikes.

 

Meanwhile, in Baghdad

The attempt to unseat the “not inclusive enough” Iraqi prime minister Nouri al-Maliki, who is widely (and rightly) blamed for alienating Iraq's Sunni minority, is running into unexpected problems:

“Further destabilization rocked Iraq on Sunday as Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki accused President Fouad Massoum of engaging in a "coup" by failing to choose a new prime minister by an Sunday's deadline.

 

In a last-minute bid to cling to power, Mr. al-Maliki declared the inaction to be "a clear constitutional violation" and said he planned to file a legal complaint against Mr. Massoum, who was named the new president in late July.

 

“This attitude represents a coup on the constitution and the political process in a country that is governed by a democratic and federal system,” Mr. al-Maliki said in a surprise address on Iraqi TV. “The deliberate violation of the constitution by the president will have grave consequences on the unity, the sovereignty, and the independence of Iraq and the entry of the political process into a dark tunnel," he said.

 

Mr. al-Maliki's party won the largest share of seats in the parliament and said the president should have appointed a prime minister from that bloc by now. A parliamentary session to discuss picking a new prime minister has been delayed until Aug. 19.

 

In the hours following Mr. al-Maliki's accusation, Brett McGurk, the State Department's deputy assistant secretary of state for Near Eastern affairs, announced via Twitter that the U.S. would continue to support Mr. Massoum. "Fully support President of Iraq Fuad Masum as guarantor of the Constitution and a PM nominee who can build a national consensus," he tweeted.”

(emphasis added)

Al-Maliki is having none of it. In order to underscore who's who in the zoo in Baghdad, he ordered his most loyal troops to deploy in the city, blocking bridges and surrounding the government district (i.e., the so-called “Green Zone”):

“Iraqi troops, security forces and tanks surged into Baghdad on Sunday as political turmoil deepened over who should lead the country. Military tanks were deployed to several neighborhoods in central Baghdad, two Iraqi police officials told CNN. The officials said there are also significantly more troops in Baghdad's Green Zone, the secure area where many government buildings, the military headquarters and the U.S. Embassy are located.

 

The stepped-up troop presence comes as Iraqi forces battled Islamist militants in northern Iraq, and Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki accused Iraq's newly elected President of violating the country's constitution by extending the deadline for Iraq's biggest political coalitions to nominate a candidate for prime minister.

 

The precise reason for the growing number of troops in the Iraqi capital was unclear. But CNN military analyst retired Lt. Col. Rick Francona described it as an "ominous" development.

 

"You've got Nuri al-Maliki refusing to step down. Now he's mobilized not just security troops loyal to him, but now he's mobilized army units to put tanks in the streets. Some of the bridges have been closed," Francona said. "It looks like he's trying to lock down the city in some sort of confrontation with the President, so this does not portend well.”

(emphasis added)

In other words, the reason for the growing number of troops occupying Baghdad is actually crystal-clear. Al-Maliki evidently realizes that political power depends on who's got whom outgunned, especially in today's Iraq. After failing to consummate any of the power-sharing deals he promised to engage in before he was elected, al-Maliki incidentally retained not only the office of prime minister, but also that of interior minister and  minister of defense. In other words, he formally controls the police and the army – and apparently he controls them de facto as well. As the expert interviewed in the above excerpted article drily notes at one point:

“U.S. officials who put their faith in al-Maliki for years may have misjudged him, Francona said.”

This was hardly the US government's first error of judgment in Iraq and is highly likely not to have been the last.

 

fouad massoum

Iraq's new president Fouad Massoum was elected by parliament with a large majority. An unwritten agreement regarding the division of power in Iraq stipulates that the president must be a Kurd, the prime minister a Shi'ite and the president of parliament a Sunni. This tradition continues to be respected – it is only al-Maliki personally who is increasingly seen as a divisive figure. Massoum is an “old hand” in Iraqi politics and his decision to postpone the nomination of the prime minister is a strong sign that an attempt to unseat al-Maliki is underway.

(Photo credit: Reuters)

 

Things are happening at grat speed in Iraq these days. While we were writing the above, it transpired that Maliki has been officially forced out as prime minister of Iraq – but refuses to accept the decision.

“Iraq's president named a new prime minister to end Nuri al-Maliki's eight year rule on Monday, but the veteran leader refused to go after deploying militias and special forces on the streets, creating a dangerous political showdown in Baghdad. Washington, which helped install Maliki following its 2003 invasion that toppled Saddam Hussein, congratulated Haidar al-Abadi, a former Maliki lieutenant who was named by President Fouad Masoum to replace him.

 

But Maliki's Dawa Party declared his replacement illegal, and Maliki's son-in-law said he would overturn it in court. Washington delivered a stern warning to Maliki not to "stir the waters" by using force to cling to power.

(emphasis added)

Presumably the outcome will depend on whether Maliki can keep control of the armed forces.

 

Conclusion  – An Intractable Situation

ISIS has attracted an entire generation of radicalized Sunni militants to the region. If one watches interviews with their enemies such as e.g. Peshmerga fighters, one topic that is occasionally mentioned is that they don't seem to fear death much. Combined with their well-known brutality, this unfoubteldy makes them a formidable fighting force. However, there is evidently far more to ISIS than that.

In this context, we recommend watching the Vice News report on ISIS filmed in Raqqa, the current capital of the “caliphate”. One impression one comes away with is that ISIS is quite careful not to alienate the population too much, in spite of strictly enforcing the sharia. Along similar lines, since ISIS is running Mosul, a number of Sunnis that have initially fled have returned to the city – which for the first time in an eternity has electricity around the clock. ISIS is a bit like Hitler in that way: it is so to speak making the trains run on time, while mercilessly killing large numbers of its perceived enemies and assorted “apostates” at the same time. The group also runs what appears to be a highly effective propaganda campaign – not only via electronic media, but also on the ground in the areas it conquers (its recruitment drive in Iraq is flourishing).

The Islamic State even has something like a national anthem by now, a jihadist anasheed (a piece of Islamic a capella music with very light or no instrumentation) – “Ummaty Qad Laha Farujn” (My Ummah, Dawn Has Appeared) – which actually sounds quite interesting (never mind the martial lyrics). In fact, the music is probably the only good thing to come from ISIS so far:

The ISIS “anthem”  Ummaty  Qad Laha Farujn – an interesting sounding a capella piece in the anasheed style

 

All of the above suggests that it will be exceedingly difficult to effectively destroy ISIS. One method of countering it would in theory be the strategy that has already been successfully employed in almost defeating its predecessor organization AQI (“Al Qaeda in Iraq”). This mainly involved alienating AQI from its local support base. A guerrilla force cannot persist unless it has the support of the local population. However, it seems uncertain whether the same strategy can be used with success again. For one thing, Maliki's suppression of the Sunnis has made ISIS the lesser evil in the eyes of many locals. For another thing, the organization has evolved a great deal and is highly unlikely to repeat AQI's mistakes.

It seems to us that if the goals the president has announced in recent days are to be achieved, nothing short of a full-scale invasion of Iraq (as well as of Syria for good measure) is likely to suffice – and even then, success is by no means guaranteed. Another possibility – a remote one at this stage, but it cannot be ruled out just yet – is that the regional forces arrayed against ISIS actually get their act together for a change.

 

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A map of the Ummayad Caliphate, which lasted from AD 661 to AD 750. In terms of territory, this was the largest of the three early Islamic caliphates. It was also far more tolerant than the retro-Islam preached by ISIS – click to enlarge.

 

 

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Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:30 | 5082571 becky quick and...
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i'm perpetually amazed that the ENTIRE PLANET has to constantly be held hostage by a bunch of countries that when combined, make up the landmass of maybe ohio, illinois, and indiana. 

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:35 | 5082601 Greenskeeper_Carl
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Remember everyone, they hate us for our freedoms....

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:38 | 5082626 kliguy38
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or..."who could ever have seen it coming"

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:43 | 5082642 Clint Liquor
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"they don't seem to fear death...."

When applied properly that could be a major disadvantage for them.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:50 | 5082678 john39
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ISIS = al-CIA-duh 2.0...   brought to you by the same criminally insane minds...   because we have always been at war with [insert today's enemy invention here]

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:56 | 5082694 strannick
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ISIS was created by the CIA "out of nowhere" to give America a reason to go into Syria and Iraq, and stop the Iran-  Iraq-  Syria pipeline from supplying gas to Europe. End of story.

" America ruins the world to rule it "

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 17:09 | 5083887 SilverRhino
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Actually you got it ass-backwards.  

ISIS was created to break Syria who was blocking the creation of the natural gas pipelines.  This blocking allows Russia to maintain it's monopoly on gas deliveries to the EU.

And of course deranged muslims "At your throat or at your feet" turned on them as soon as they had the weapons they needed to start a caliphate.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 17:26 | 5084022 sushi
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ISIS was created by the CIA "out of nowhere" to give America a reason to go into Syria and Iraq

 

Do you think they will find the WMD on this go around? It has to be there somewhere. Maybe hiding behind a Bush?


Tue, 08/12/2014 - 17:56 | 5084201 Kirk2NCC1701
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+42 to Strannick.
That's the exact same reason we went into Afghanistan: to stop a planned Iran-Afghanistan pipeline to India and China.

America's military and banks ruin the world, to rule it.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 19:08 | 5084501 tumblemore
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Most of the military think they're doing the right thing. It's the banking mafia and their bought politicians that make the decisions.

 

 

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:55 | 5082704 tony wilson
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day not like us is

day dontes seem to fear deaths

day seems crazy differunt not human like us

 

eye saw it i did we donte want um comin to der homelands.

i saw them laughin as day choppin away at heads

nailin folks up like in baby jesus times.

i saw it on der vice show

on der bbc and rupert shalom murdoch fox news.

we gotta go in now now now

cos der news said we have to do sometin

 

 

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 17:18 | 5083975 Sirius Wonderblast
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Wise words.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 15:44 | 5083309 lcs
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A few tactical nukes combined with saturation carpet bombing by B-52s will restore that fear.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 19:50 | 5084669 123dobryden
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no

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 18:31 | 5084354 armageddon addahere
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Imagine you are a young man living in a country with no decent TV, no rock n roll, no football, no basketball and no beer. Where the girls all dress in barbecue covers and the big leisure time activity is studying scripture.

Death doesn't sound so bad now does it?

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 12:23 | 5087667 Davalicious
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"Death doesn't sound so bad now does it?"

Bullish for virgins.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:20 | 5082827 RafterManFMJ
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Let me check my care meter. Nope, on zero hold on.

Tap Tap Tap

Nope it's not gummed up ... Wait, they are burying people alive and killing wantonly? Wow, if I were CIA that might bother me...

Tap Tap

Nope I'm not registering any care at all...

Try the old standby where they have Ebola-enhances atomic weapons - that might bump the needle...

But in all seriousness it's be swell if we could develop an algorithm that would predict the exact tonnage of bombs that brings a country to Western Style Debt Peonage - er - I mean Demonocracy.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:40 | 5082634 max2205
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Make Iraq Mexico and Lybia territoryies

We own you mutherfuckers!

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:28 | 5082880 DUNTHAT
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They hate us for our religion.

This has always been, always will be, a war over religion.

If you ain't muslim, they want you dead.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:34 | 5082918 wewillwin
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No they don't hate you because of "your freedoms" they hate you because you are criminals and destroyed a whole region for your intrest. Just name one country where the US has put it's hand and things went great after that. Just one

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:55 | 5083021 Idaho potato head
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The Dakotas, oh never mind.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:37 | 5082625 NidStyles
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I don't know about the rest of you, but my day remains the same whether so durka in Iraq is killing his neighbors or not. I don't base my life on what some other idiot is doing. Too busy protecting myself from the idiots here instead.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:41 | 5082639 kliguy38
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Your attitude guarantees its coming here.....the funny thing is nature always has a way of bringing evil right back to the very place it was idly sent from....

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:51 | 5082681 Dr. Richard Head
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Very apropros...and poetic too.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:55 | 5082706 kliguy38
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yeah...... I look at the peeps that feel isolated from the West's decisions feeling they have "remote immunity" ...when in fact the agenda will bring the same hell in spades right back to them most likely in a pattern quite similar to the one previously displayed......after all ....nature enjoys the luxury of time

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:08 | 5082776 Frank N. Beans
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ISIS is the Ebola of the middle east.  It is spreading.  It is efficient.  It is deadly.  There is as yet no known effective antidote.

 

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:25 | 5082854 youngman
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antidote is two shots to the center mass and one to the head to end the pain....that works everytime..and no more ISIS problem for that subject

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 17:51 | 5084179 tony wilson
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really maybe israel should stop patching the  isis up in field hospitals that would be a good start yes no?

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:27 | 5082873 tumblemore
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the attitude of the neocons "bomb the world" and the banking mafia "open borders" is what brings it home. 

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:24 | 5082846 Kirk2NCC1701
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I am not the least bit surprised that the planet is being held hostage, given the extent of the intellectual disease that are the 3 ABSOLUTIST Monotheistic Religions.

The day we get rid of the outdated ideology/worldviews of these (man-made) desert "Deities" -- concocted by semi-literate sheep-shaggers of dubious hygiene -- is the day mankind is finally free.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 17:25 | 5084015 Sirius Wonderblast
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Self same goat-worriers that...

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 15:24 | 5083202 Bloppy
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I'm sorry, what's this about? I was hypnotised by wall-to-wall celebrity obit coverage:

http://tinyurl.com/lss4x8h


Tue, 08/12/2014 - 16:07 | 5083445 earleflorida
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iraq is about a third the size of iran, whereas iran has a land mass of 627,000 sq.miles. it is over 5x the size of britain or italy, and equal to the combined areas of texas, new mexico, arizona, and CALIFORNIA-- so... that makes iraq the size of california and half of texas!

get a geography book for your shithouse cnbc becky...

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 22:38 | 5085455 AgeOfJefferson
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I think you forgot the 4th biggest landmass...

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:32 | 5082580 alexcojones
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  Follow The Money 

Takes you right to Qatar, Past Saudi Arabia, with stops in USA Seal-land, Mossadville, and Turkeytown.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:32 | 5082587 jubber
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And Oil getting smashed to 9 months lows, crazy

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:36 | 5082612 Bunghole
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That's the best way the moneychangers can punish Putin and Gazprom.

 

A release from the SPR will be next on their agenda.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:01 | 5082717 Pure Evil
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Yeah, but shouldn't we be looking into AK and AR companies. The sales must be off the porn charts.

No wonder they stopped importing Russian AK's into the US, gotta make sure there's enough supply for Ukraine and IS.

Of course the US is supplying AR's to the Kurds so its all good.

Oil is dropping while small arms are rising and JDAMS are falling, just try to chart that porn.

(Oh, I suspect oil is falling to make its by products, like jet fuel cheaper for the Navy and Air Force, seeing as how making jet fuel from algae is not all that cost effective.)

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:01 | 5082738 Slave
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I figured it's because there's no demand.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:36 | 5082933 quasimodo
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Perfect, time to fill up both SUV's cuz I'm a reel patriot.

 

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 15:30 | 5083237 RafterManFMJ
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That's the best way the moneychangers can punish Putin and Gazprom.

It's been my theory for years that the mass dump of metal from England, Canada and others, coupled with the derivative / reindeer games to crush the price of oil was intentional and intended to deny the USSR or it's only sources of foreign currency.

Couple this with a defense buildup in the West and the USSR was forced to capitulate on direct geopolitical competition; they faced an vast increase in spending to maintain any hope of parity while their real income was crushed.

And so they surrendered (or appeared to - a discussion for another day).

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:43 | 5082650 Herd Redirectio...
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Starving the Russkies?

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:34 | 5082594 Squid Viscous
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funny how getting rid of the "Assad Regime" per Zio-instructions is now on hold...while we fight the same guys we were supplying a few months ago...

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:36 | 5082613 kowalli
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not funny at all.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:42 | 5082643 Squid Viscous
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wow you're kind of new here, if you don't think US "foreign policy" is hilarious maybe you should try a new site?

weeklystandard.com?

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:47 | 5082663 kowalli
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If someone of you family get murdered and next thing you see is some asshole telling you from tv " aha another 3d world country must be democratised" it's not ever funny at all, it's terrifying.

You, in USA, just don't have a clue about humanity...

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:54 | 5082685 Squid Viscous
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what is "terrifying", exactly... you want more US/Zio intervention or less? not sure of your point,

and I'm not laughing at the victims of our failed Foreign Policy, just the assholes who have planned and executed it

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:07 | 5082781 Pure Evil
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Oh don't worry. He's just posturing for his own Nobel Peace Prize.

I hear they give them out like candy now days.

Sorta like a parting gift from a game show just for showing up.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:53 | 5082693 blabam
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Good luck staying sane with that attitude.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:54 | 5082700 john39
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in any event, i am not all sure that war in Syria is on hold...  this could just be the build up to region wide all out war that the zionists are dreaming about.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:31 | 5082901 tumblemore
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Isis' purpose is (1) regime change in Iraq (Maliki) and (2) excuse to get involved in Syria.

 

 

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:34 | 5082600 freeasabee1
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72 virgins and a great tax rate.....also they take gold payments, I'm in.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 16:07 | 5083458 Implied Violins
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You don't get the virgins until you die though, which is prolly why they don't fear death much. Great propaganda for recruiting though, innit? Beats getting dough for a college education...

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:35 | 5082604 Duc888
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Who funded them?

 

Who trained them?

 

Who are the deep pockets that continue to support them?

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:47 | 5082664 Herd Redirectio...
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Seems to me like ISIS skipped the middle step, the awkward growing-and-proving yourself stage, and advanced straight to "we run sophisticated, highly coordinated operations, have top notch propaganda and recruiting, we have the funds, and we have shown we mean business."

I sometimes wonder if an intelligence agency set out to create a terror group, what it would look like?

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 15:02 | 5083077 The Wizard
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Good point. This leads me to think that the funds they are using come from fiat petrodollars. The easiest way to deal with them is destroy the currency that keeps their everready battery going which seems to be in the works.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 17:15 | 5083960 Sparkey
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I sometimes wonder if an intelligence agency set out to create a terror group, what it would look like?

Likely not as good as this one, the press sees them as magic men.

Incidently,,, for anyone who is interested, The Russians didn't surrender,,, they changed tactics, Somenoe said; He who sows the wind reaps the whirlwind, another man said; Yoiu can start the war but you can't stop the war, it is going to be a war between the rich and the poor, the believers and the non-believers, he also said who he thought would win, but I can't remember! Anyone remember this? Who said it? was it Nostradamus?

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 18:57 | 5084457 Kirk2NCC1701
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I was almost going to say that ISIS is a new template for a private army, but then realized that the Neocon already have one of those: the DOD.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:19 | 5082795 Squid Viscous
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Amazing, we have a new "threat" for the sheeple - even "worse" than Al-CIA-duh, and it only took a few years...

just re-run the scary guys in black hijab swinging across monkey bars footage, who cares if it was filmed in Langley VA  

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:22 | 5082832 viator
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Saudi Arabia; Qatar; Kuwait; people buying their oil, gas, water, and electricity; taxes; shake downs; the Sunni street; slave auctions*. The US and other powers provides a lot of their equipment indirectly as it is captured by ISIS.

 

*One Yazidi girl phoned her dad from a group of captive Yazidi women who still had a hidden phone to say she was going to be sold for $10.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:38 | 5082607 NoDebt
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Scene:  White House situation room.

"AND.... end computer simulation."  

"Wow, that didn't turn out so good," President GW Bush says quietly to himself, as he removes his VR helmet.

"Please call up Powell and Rumsfeld.  Tell them I think we're going to leave Saddam Hussein in place."

And much like that really AWFUL season finale of 'Dallas' many years ago, we find out the whole thing was nothing but a dream (and everyone is pissed off)....

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 15:47 | 5083327 viahj
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that's exactly what the writers do once they write themselves down a road with no resolutions...to bad that humanity won't waken from this nightmare. 

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:35 | 5082609 alexcojones
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WTF?

  "One impression one comes away with is that ISIS is quite careful not to alienate the population too much-"

  Dead bodies are never alienated.

Maybe ISIS hired a PR agency?


Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:57 | 5082711 Shell Game
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No kidding.  Another misunderstanding by the author is calling ISIS an islamic state - ISIS is Stateless.  It is open-sourced, 4GW violence and it is borderless.  

 

http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2014/08/isis-opens-the-worlds-biggest-bazaar-of-violence.html

 

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:05 | 5082768 Pure Evil
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Well, anyway, we got some feral hogs along the Texas/Mexican border that likes munching on dead bodies, maybe we can send some to IS and boost our exports.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/rancher-wild-hogs-eat-remains-of-dead-illega...

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:39 | 5082618 Gringo Viejo
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I watch with  detatched amusement as Western Civilization commits cultural suicide by allowing this to exist in the name of "religious tolerance" when in fact, it should be mecilessly destroyed. 1,000 years of progress destroyed by effete Western leadership. Glad to be on the downhil slope.

 

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:41 | 5082640 Raoul_Luke
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The path of least resistence is often downward sloping...

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 15:38 | 5083276 Oh regional Indian
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The angle of repose....

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:45 | 5082654 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  "religious tolerance"

The middle-east has to solve their own problems.    The immoral hedonistic fornicating loving west can't straighten-out a society that think God is real. 

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:47 | 5082972 N2OJoe
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Actually you are both right. We tolerate and promote it HERE in the name of tolerance while invading over THERE to stamp it out.

Cloward and Piven make perfect (twisted)sense of it all.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:42 | 5082629 alexcojones
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ISIS next (Hollywood) chess move: Blow the Dam. Flood the Green Zone.

   "The Haditha Dam project was conceived in the late 1960s; construction began in 1977. The dam embankment was designed by the Soviet Union's Ministry of Energy... It was conceived of as a multi-purpose project that would generate hydroelectric power, regulate the flow of the Euphrates, and provide water for irrigation. Construction lasted between 1977 and 1987 and was a joint undertaking by the Soviet Union and Iraqi governments."

What better way to piss off Putin?

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:56 | 5082710 Herd Redirectio...
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That will just create a large shit show.  Possible, but usually you only do that to assets you control, when you risk losing them/everything.

Like the Dutch, who destroyed their own dikes, back in the 17th century, to slow the advance of the invading French.  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Dutch_War)

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 15:12 | 5083123 tumblemore
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I'd think the US embassy would mind more.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:41 | 5082631 One And Only
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I've been to Iraq (x2) and can tell you first hand that Sunni jihadists are cowardly pussies. If you look at their actions today they speak volumes - murdering and raping women and children. Nothing would give me more pleasure then having another oppourtunity to wipe these pieces of shit off the planet and deliver to them their 72 virgins.

For the anti warmongerers - you can Robin Williams yourself. There has always been and will always be war. Might as well kill these fuckers that gang rape women and children for a living.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:43 | 5082648 NOTaREALmerican
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I don't mind you going.   I resent being force to pay for your enjoyment.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:19 | 5082679 One And Only
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I appreciate you though I'm no longer in the military. I will not serve with Obama being Commander and Chief.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:33 | 5082912 Anarchy 99
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you were a dummy ass for enlisting in the first place

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:05 | 5082763 Dr. Richard Head
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Indeed.  Voluntarily going off to fight the oil company and bankster wars is not something that I have a problem with at all.  Have at it.  At the end of the day the tax man, government busy bodies, and assorted agencies have been more of a threat to our way of life than any CIA funded islamo terrorists.  In fact, much of the fire power these religous zealots have were suppled to them by the same government busy bodies, tax man, and assorted agencies. 

Voluntary socialism is A-OK in my book, but the socialists wouldn't want people to opt out of their schemes. 

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:15 | 5082804 One And Only
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I'm not in the military any longer. I won't serve under Obama.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:20 | 5082824 NOTaREALmerican
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So, you have no problem fighting a bankster / oil war for the next guy?

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:26 | 5082865 One And Only
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Does your entire way of life not depend on oil? I will and have fought in a war that in large part, if not entirely, had to do with oil.

If you can fight for oil and kill rapists at the same time is that such a bad thing?

In fact....why wouldn't you do that?

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:30 | 5082893 NOTaREALmerican
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Can't really argue with that.   The US has been fighting for oil and spreading freedom for 60+ years, and the peasants seem to like killing their kids to get-it-done.  

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:37 | 5082935 One And Only
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It's never been about freedom. It's about acquiring, or being in control of, natural resources. No one gives a shit about spreading freedom.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:45 | 5082969 NOTaREALmerican
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Well, many of the childlike dumbasses do.    It's why we have slow-motion eagles and flags,  to spread freedum.   The adults know better.   It's why the adults kids generally don't get killed fighting wars.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 15:46 | 5083314 RafterManFMJ
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If you can fight for oil and kill rapists at the same time is that such a bad thing?

The above is likely the most freakish and fucked up thing I've read on the 'hedge.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:31 | 5082892 Squid Viscous
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but you gladly served under dubya... lol thanks, great job!

 

oh and oil is a commodity, price set by the market... and there are more rapists per square mile in US,

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:33 | 5082911 One And Only
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You're never going to have a perfect President. It's not going to happen. Sure Bush made a few mistakes but I felt proud to serve under him and I would do it again.

Wed, 08/13/2014 - 06:26 | 5086205 BigJim
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'serve', eh?

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:43 | 5082649 kowalli
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Just go and kill this pussies but don't invite us to do it. You can't stabilize country by bombing it every 5 years...

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:48 | 5082669 One And Only
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I'm not entirely concerned with "stabilization". If you look at history civilization has always been unstable with very brief intermissions of peace.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:01 | 5082742 NOTaREALmerican
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So, what's the benefit to the US society then of fighting a holy war in the middle east?

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:03 | 5082753 One And Only
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G muthafuckin DP; 2 birds 1 stone.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:27 | 5082874 NOTaREALmerican
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I guess Krugman's right.  

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:52 | 5082996 One And Only
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The only people who are "right" are the ones with all the money. Everything else is noise and pontification upon soap boxes.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 15:14 | 5083141 NOTaREALmerican
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It also takes LOTS of authority worshiping peasants who believe those with money are more "right" because they are more worthy.   But,  that's normal behavior for most people which is why we have the societies we do around the world.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:52 | 5082682 Gringo Viejo
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I'm old but still of some use.
Be happy to go with ya One.
Time away from the old woman is quality time.
Besides, she's taken care of.
And all I'm doin' is markin' time 'bro.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 15:52 | 5083358 RafterManFMJ
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Let me know when you grumpy old men gather up your c rations and Garands and deploy to Mosul to fight for oil and Feminism.

I've got my eye on the new "Pave the Planet" edition Escalade (you tow a sack of anvils behind you everywhere you go) but I don't want to buy one unless we get that oil flowing.

Oh, and rapists. Nasty folk!! ...unless they are established Demoncratic politicos, of course ....

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:53 | 5082697 himaroid
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We should get the hell out and let the Iranians at them. The sooner the better. We may be needing your services here at home.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:00 | 5082729 One And Only
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I have no problem with Iranians, in fact I have several that I consider good friends. However, I'd rather the US kill these nasty pieces of shit because we have an oppourtunity to boost GDP while we shit stomp them.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:02 | 5082748 NOTaREALmerican
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So giving money to Big-MIC is good socialism?

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:43 | 5082959 Squid Viscous
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wow you are  a flag- waving, jar- head, Krugman-ite, zio-dupe all rolled into one idiotic package!

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:02 | 5082741 Squid Viscous
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should have done that in early 80's... instead Rumsfeld became best buds with Saddam... but then he became enemy #1 after 911... but now Iran is enemy #1, again... all in 30 years, amazing ... while Halliburton, GD, NOC, etc. rack up the profits of war

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:16 | 5082813 Canucklehead
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Who is "We", Kimosabe?

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 15:56 | 5083399 RafterManFMJ
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If the Iranians have taught us anything it's this: A mass of pre-teens can make effective and inexpensive mine clearing cadres.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:00 | 5082731 tony wilson
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been 2 iraq 2 times have your buddy you can do a robin williams what a tough nut.

 

tough guy fuck you you rapist vampyre

here some of your handiwork

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=depleted+uranium+mutations

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:00 | 5082734 luckystars
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Wow, you want to kill them and us!

sicko

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:18 | 5082817 dogismycopilot
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for the anti-war types, fucking faggots, you would get raped by these goat herders if you were left in charge. you think these people give a fuck about 'fairness', about 'decency', about 'compassion'. no. they are a cancer and the cancer must kill you and everything you love and want. 

 

i say pull  the Christians out, give them Greencards (fuck, whats another 50K of dreamers) and then start the carpet bombing to followed up with tactical nukes.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 15:17 | 5083157 tumblemore
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If i was in charge they would never get past the border - so no.

 

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 16:03 | 5083439 RafterManFMJ
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Heh.

Hey - you murdered for Empire and oil, goy. Your hands run red and I'd not like to be you should the dreamers be right and you stand in judgement.

You are an Assassin.

Hey man, let me help out your infantile mind with some of that ole fashioned topsy - turvey;

If you came home today and found out an ISIS sweep had slaughtered your family, burned your home and mined your yard because they disapproved of your political system and coveted the shale gas under your land ... Well I guess you'd be fine with that, right?

It's fucking pathetic you don't rank enough IQ to even think through basic logic - yet you found the 'hedge?

Turns out all you're fit for is carrying a rifle and dying on the line. Have another Schlitz and watch some football, idiot.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:42 | 5082646 NOTaREALmerican
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Cue:  Domino Theory!    

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:44 | 5082651 tony wilson
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until we address the biggest smoke and mirrors zionist military operation in recent history we will be doomed to believe the constant control grid lies of zion.

msm psy control news operations 80% lies fuck that shit

 

THE WALLS ARE CRUMBLING DOWN AROUND 9/11 –

http://themillenniumreport.com/2014/08/the-walls-are-crumbling-down-arou...

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:47 | 5082665 NOTaREALmerican
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Seems the Muslims would be perfectly capable of creating bullshit about their imaginary-friend without the Zionist help.   

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:02 | 5082746 tony wilson
Tue, 08/12/2014 - 15:19 | 5083170 tumblemore
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The neocons want Israel's neighbors turned to rubble.

 

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:48 | 5082670 ebworthen
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"retro-Islam".  Is that a polite way of saying "nut-jobs"?

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:53 | 5082692 general ambivalent
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Stopping it may be a bit controversial, like ebola:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottgottlieb/2014/08/12/if-ebola-arrives-in...

As well, they've just said that using untested drugs and vaccines in Africa is "ethical."

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:57 | 5082713 youngman
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I for one would sure hate to fight them with OUR Rules of Engagement and Geneve Conventions....vs theirs....

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:57 | 5082720 TheMuppet
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"nothing short of a full-scale invasion of Iraq (as well as of Syria for good measure) is likely to suffice – and even then, success is by no means guaranteed".   Right, especially as it was precisely such a full-scale invasion by the US that was the condition, both necessary and sufficient, for the multiplication of Al Qaeda knockoffs and their inevitable transformation into IS.

Just as the state of Israel is the best recruiter of converts to antisemitism, so is US internevntion the best recruiter to Islamic Jihadism of all flavors.  

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:19 | 5082822 Jack Burton
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Muppet, Indeed! Compare the state of Iraq before America invaded, now compare Iraq a decade later. Who in their right mind can say American soldiers were sent to die in a good cause? Who can say America killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis has improved their nation. Sure Saddam sucked, but Iraq has always lived under Saddams, for thousands of years, always peace in Iraq came from Saddam like leaders. The USA thought they knew best, but they were dead fucking wrong. Hell is unleashed upon the world in the form of ISIS, a force the USA and it's Arab allies STILL fund via the Al-Qaeda bases in Turkey and Jordan, still funneling arms and money to radical islamic Jihad.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 13:59 | 5082721 TheMuppet
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Why the double posts?

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:13 | 5082797 Pure Evil
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He likes to spit shine it with both hands.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:01 | 5082736 Ivan Nokabolokov
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ISIS were very unfriendly to officially licensed opposition in Syria, causing the FSA to implode. So maybe they are a little bit out of contrrol

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:12 | 5082787 viator
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ISIS even issues an annual report full of metrics to it's funders called al-Naba. The name comes from An-Naba, the 78th Sura of the Qur'an which ends:

"Lo! We warn you of a doom at hand, a day whereon a man will look on that which his own hands have sent before, and the disbeliever will cry: "Would that I were dust."

http://understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/ISWBackgrounder_ISIS_Ann...

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:11 | 5082792 alexcojones
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Maybe English is this author's (Pater)  2nd language.

   "ISIS is a bit like Hitler in that way: it is so to speak making the trains run on time, while mercilessly killing large numbers of its perceived enemies. . .The group also runs what appears to be a highly effective propaganda campaign –?

Dude, Mussolini made the trains run on time.

ISIS and Hitler have nothing in common, except in the $$$ funding them both

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:14 | 5082802 dogismycopilot
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things in iraq are definately moving at warp speed scotty. latest intel report from security company is that IS will be recognized by new government coming in no matter who it is. they simply can't mass enough force to take back the anbar province and the dam is, ironically, A REAL WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION. Obama is in over his head. THE LIVER EATERS ARE SAYING CHECK MATE.

 

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:54 | 5083013 Canucklehead
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ISIS needs the dam.  It produces 750MW that their territory needs.

http://www.meseisforum.net/mosul_dam.pdf

http://el.erdc.usace.army.mil/elpubs/pdf/tr07-10.pdf

The dam is going to fail on their watch.  ISIS will kill a lot of their own supporters.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:14 | 5082805 Jack Burton
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I don't follow Iraq too closely. But I heard this moring that the US State Department is blaming the rise of ISIS on Syria and Assad. The USA is building a case that Assad's Syria aided and supported the rise of ISIS and helped transport ISIS into Iraq. Now, this was announced today in a State Department interview. Asked by reporters for evidence of Assad's involvement, the State department Spokeswoman said that she had none, but none was needed because American intelligence sources were saying that Syria was using ISIS as their agent. The reporters nealry laughed, as the USA and NATO formed, armed, funded and trained ISIS in Turkey and Jordan and turned it loose to attack Assad's Syria! NOW, the USA is claiming the enemy they turned on Syria was actually Syria's creation and allied with Assad. This is real madness, Orwellian beyond words!

The other thing that caught my attention was the Pentagon claims that air strikes are NOT WORKING. They killed a few ISIS, but ISIS is totally intact, armed to the teeth with American weapons, including armored vehicles and tanks, modern missiles and heavy artillery. By saying that air strikes were failing to retard ISIS, that seems to leave open a ground attack by America, against a force that it STILL arms and trains in Turkey and Jordan. In fact, congress just voted 500 million dollars in arms aid for anti Assad rebels. These anti Assad rebels are the Al-Qaeda and ISIS the USA has funded for over three years and now claims are agents of Assad! I ask you, How much more insane and how big can the lies get coming from the USA Government. The State department whore, the blonde bitch, she makes claims, then when asked for evidence says, "We are America, no evidence is needed, what we say goes and you better believe it". This same attitude of lies holds true for everythign having to do with the Ukraine civil war and the airliner shoot down. NOTICE the silence about the air liner. Why, well I checked a full set of damage photos from the plane, loaded onto Wiki. It is clear from dozens of photos that the plane was attacked by 30mm cannon fire aimed right at the cockpit, the left side of the cockpit at pilot level and above and behind is riddled with prefect cannon shell holes. Dozens of them. The poor pilot was clearly shot to pieces. I know enough about military, being a veteran, I know what cannon shells do to a plane fuselage. The airliner was clearly shot out of the sky by 30mm cannon fire, and two Ukie SU-25 were seen by naked eye and tracked on radar right on top of the Malaysian Jet. THUS, THE SILENCE!

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:23 | 5082845 dogismycopilot
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How can anyone say that Assad is supporting these fucking barbarian, child-beheading, liver eating, radicals WHO ARE PRACTICING THEIR TRADE ON ASSAD'S TROOPS? Making that lie is, as far as I am concerned, treason because anyone who would lie like that is A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER.

Jesus Christ mate, if that is the position the DOS is taking us then we truly are looking at WWIII and only Vladimir Putin CAN SAVE THE CHRISTIANS OF THE WORLD because from here on out it turns into a fucking Radical Muslim Zombie Apocolypse. 

 

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 15:27 | 5083221 tumblemore
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The neocons in the state dept. don't seem to care how blatant their lies are.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 16:17 | 5083522 cougar_w
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Thanks for sharing all that.

If true it suggests that one hand of government has no idea what the other hand is doing. Which if true suggests we're rather closer to a military take-over than many have thought to be the case.

In the case of a coup I would largely expect US imperialism to die immediately. I know many would disagree, but most of the imperialist adventures we're seeing come out of the US executive branch, and reflect policy there. A lot of our adventures (maybe, all) have been about oil and are scripted by the major oil companies, now struggling to survive, and prepared to call in the favors they've earned buying politicians.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:16 | 5082810 22winmag
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Is anyone up for attempting to herd cats?

 

I didn't think so.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:21 | 5082830 Jack Burton
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I wish I could herd my cat! One cat and the fucker is totally unherdable in all cases.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:19 | 5082823 tumblemore
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"nothing short of a full-scale invasion of Iraq (as well as of Syria for good measure) is likely to suffice"

 

The neocons and their regional allies created Isis to try and force a US intervention in Syria.

 

If the US/Saudi/Turkey etc stopped supporting them they'd fizzle out.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:20 | 5082825 NoDecaf
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Dollar is rising...any war will do at this point. Crank those presses into overdrive baby.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:25 | 5082858 dogismycopilot
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AND WHY thE FUCK AM I GETTING "MUSLIM SINGLE" ADS IN MY ADVERTS ? WHO IS THE SICK FUCK MAKING THAT HAPPEN?

FUCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK 

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 15:00 | 5083057 pupdog1
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Heh heh.

I get "Meet single Asians who want to bang you like a loose screen door in a hurricane."

Clean livin' I guess.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:26 | 5082861 Anarchy 99
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Effing NATO (us and the 17 or whatever dwarfs), without nukes they're nothing.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:31 | 5082904 himaroid
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A teacher asks the kids in her 3rd grade class:

"What do you want to be when you grow up?"

Little Jimmy says: "I wanna start out as a Marine Pilot, then be a billionaire, go to the most expensive clubs, find me the Finest whore, give her a Ferrari worth over a million bucks, an apartment in Copacabana, a mansion in Paris, a jet to travel throughout Europe, an Infinite Visa Card, and all the while banging her like a loose screen door in a hurricane."

The teacher, shocked, and not knowing what to do with this horrible response from little Jimmy , decides not to acknowledge what he said and simply tries to continue with the lesson . . . .

"And how about you, Sarah?"

"I wanna be Jimmy ’s whore."

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 15:15 | 5083144 atomp
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LOL!

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 16:25 | 5083592 RafterManFMJ
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Little Jimmy failed another math quiz and Ms. Quibble called him to her desk to discuss his consistent failure.

Look Jimmy, she said, you missed question 7 which is very easy! Read it and tell me how you got your answer...

Little Jimmy slowly read, "Farmer Brown sees 6 crows on his fence line; if he shoots 1, how many are left?" Zero! Exclaims Jimmy.

Ms. Quibbles shook her head and said No the answer is 5! 6 less 1 is 5! How on Earth do you get zero?

"Well," says Little Jimmy, "As soon as Farmer Brown shoots one, the rest will fly away!"

Teacher shakes her head and says "Little Jimmy, you're wrong and I still must fail your paper, but I like the way you think."

Dejected Jimmy takes his paper and heads back to his desk but suddenly turns and says: "Ms. Quibble! I've a question for you!"

There are three women sitting an a park bench, each with a lollipop; one is licking her pop, one sucking, and the third is biting hers; which one is married?

Ms. Quibble is taken aback by this question from Little Jimmy, pauses, and says "I suppose she's the one sucking on her lollipop?"

"No" says Little Jimmy, "she's the one wearing a wedding ring - but I like the way you think!"

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:31 | 5082906 Kirk2NCC1701
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The strategy and tactics of ISIS will be adopted by other cultures and Resistance Fighters:

Use the Web pattern of Lines and Nodes to take over vast areas, while ignoring rural and sparsely populated areas.

It will come to the USSA also, when the time comes to liberate the country from the Parasites and Usurpers, and earlier versions of the Constitution are enforced. IMHO.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:31 | 5082908 Canucklehead
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This is a war of Muslim Reformation.  ISIS is the elixir of the Sunni Tribe.  As pressure/heat builds to reform, those elements within the Sunni Tribe that do not want to reform will be distilled as ISIS supporters.  The end result is a brittle organization that cannot put down roots.  Any roots are observable and are an obvious target for those oppressed by ISIS.

For the last 10 years there has been a DNA databank put together to identify the tribes, and their leaders.   Much like how Israel targetted the Hamas leadership and took out their families, the same will happen here.  ISIS will break and run.  The head will be chopped off.

What should be going on right now is tracking/documenting the logistical support of ISIS.  Turkey and Qatar are in the crosshairs in this regard.  Qatar is an obvious weak area as they will have a difficult time displacing their foreign military bases and replacing that infrastructure with something that would work.  The Qatari leadership would be replaced long before they get that logisical infrastructure up and running.  Unfortunately Obama currently holds the keys.  Turkey and Qatar provided a great deal of the funding that got Obama elected in the first place.

http://www.meforum.org/meq/pdfs/3838.pdf

http://www.catholic.org/news/international/middle_east/story.php?id=56510

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:36 | 5082930 dogismycopilot
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also you have a new young gun running Qatar. the father (who fought the Iraqis in Gulf War I as a tank commander and he even supposedly brewed up an Iraqi tank trying to bust into Saudi) anyway, the young gun is in charge and he is a hard core Sunni...he made one of the 5 Taliban Obama gave him a sheihk

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:42 | 5082960 Jacksons Ghost
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ISIS=CIA   Well originally anyway.  they may have gone rogue, but we still pull its strings. Conveinent boogey man to scare American Sheeple.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:46 | 5082964 TrumpXVI
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"A map of the Ummayad Caliphate, which lasted from AD 661 to AD 750. In terms of territory, this was the largest of the three early Islamic caliphates."

 

Just a thought that hit me while looking at that map.  

How much of that land area is productive farmland? 

 

ETA: I'm aware that during Roman times, north Africa was a bit wetter and more productive.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 15:21 | 5083158 thethirdcoast
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I think you meant "was" productive farmland.

I've lived in North Africa for 18 months.

I'll be nice and say that currently agriculture is not "practiced" for a variety of reasons.

I get my apples from Chile, bananas from Ecuador, and oranges from Spain.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 15:29 | 5083228 QuietCorday
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Well, this is something that few people talk about. I have extended family in the ME (though not in these particular areas) and, to be blunt, most of the land is dead. Indeed, some areas were suffering from severe deforestation back in the 1920s. 

It's continual human habitation, deforestation, poor choice of crops and nomadic livestock farming over hundreds of years that has done it. The top soil is screwed. 

 

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:49 | 5082985 CHX
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US vs Russia, hmm no they don't really want to fight it out, but ok, maybe. US vs. ISIS. Hmm they would like to battle it out, but it seems to me a Vietnam^n (n>=2) as it has the ptential to become so much bigger. US fighting Russia AND ISIS. Nope, that's WAAAY too big. If they even try then it should be the last shyte show we get to see before the US empire falls.

Tue, 08/12/2014 - 14:51 | 5082999 Fix It Again Timmy
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Tired of the old, traditional Carnival cruise or Club Med vacation?  Take a 2-week ISIS "Fight the Infidels" vacation.  All expenses paid, all you have to do is pay for the air fare.  Instead of boring photos of the beach, bring back a severed head to impress the office staff, you'll never just be the "Copy Boy" ever again!  C'mon, see the Caliphate, Osama's asking you to come!

 

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