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Ukraine Blocks Russian Humanitarian Convoy, Accuses Kremlin Of Sending "Disguised Military Gear"
It took virtually no time from the announcement of the massive, 300-vehicle strong Russian humanitarian convoy destined to alleviate the crisis in east Ukraine, to its departure, leading many to assume - correctly - that the operation had been planned weeks in advance.
Truck convoy sets out from Alabino near Moscow (RIA)
Russian TV showed the aid being loaded onto trucks.
However, with the trucks currently in transit from a point southwest of Moscow and set to enter Ukrainian territory through a customs checkpoint in the Kharkiv region, according to former Ukrainian President Leonid Kuchma, a snag has appeared: Ukraine, which previously blessed the Russian convoy's entry into the country has had a change of heart and has announced it would not allow the convoy in its current state.
- UKRAINE WON'T ALLOW RUSSIAN AID CONVOY TO ENTER, CHALY SAYS
As Ukraine security council spokesman Andriy Lysenko said early this morning, the convoy should pass through a government-controlled border post and be accompanied by Red Cross officials. As BBC adds, what was previously a greenlighted operation merely under the condition that it was spearheaded by the Red Cross, Lysenko said Ukraine had three conditions for receiving the aid:
- That it should pass through a border post controlled by Ukrainian government guards
- That it should be accompanied by Red Cross representatives
- That a decision should be made about the amount being sent, its destination and route.
Lysenko further adds that the convoy of 280 trucks dispatched on Tuesday “did not pass the ICRC certification.”
Another Ukrainian official, Valery Chaly, said Ukraine would not allow access to a convoy accompanied by the Russian military or Emergencies Ministry.
The BBC's David Stern, in the Ukrainian capital Kiev, says there has been some confusion in the Ukrainian government's response to news of the convoy, suggesting it has been taken by surprise. Nothing surprising about that.
Presidential aide Valery Chaliy said Kiev wants the entire cargo to be unloaded on the border and transferred to Red Cross vehicles.
“We will not allow any escort of the Russian Emergencies Ministry or Russian military,” he said. “Ukraine will take responsibility for this procedure.”
According to RT, Lysenko claimed that the convoy consists of repainted military trucks and is accompanied by an S-300 air defense system, according to the news agency Ukraine National News.
He didn’t elaborate on why Russia would need to send a system that is meant to protect key strategic positions from enemy aircraft and missiles, but is useless in guarding a convoy of vehicles on the move.
Meanwhile, the confusion grows: the Red Cross said it was informed by Moscow that the convoy had been dispatched, but had yet to receive detailed shipping lists and distribution plans.
“The situation is changing by the hour and right now we are not in a position to provide further details now as to how this operation could take place,” ICRC spokesperson Anastasiya Isyuk told RT.
We've been told by Russian authorities that an aid convoy is heading to #Ukraine border. We're not in charge of this convoy at the moment.
— ICRC (@ICRC) August 12, 2014
Important details still need to be clarified, like content & volume of aid. We're in touch with #Ukraine and Russian authorities about this.
— ICRC (@ICRC) August 12, 2014
Earlier, Moscow said that the humanitarian mission had been agreed by all parties concerned. Russia has sent some 2,000 tons of aid to Ukraine, including food, medicine, sleeping bags and power generators.
Needless to say, that is not what Ukraine thinks: Kiev earlier accused Moscow of trying to conduct a stealth invasion of Ukraine under a guise of humanitarian aid, saying that Russian troops would be posing as guards of the convoy while actually tasked with starting an offensive. And a headline from Bloomberg:
- LYSENKO SAYS RUSSIA SENDS MILITARY GEAR IN GUISE OF AID CONVOY
So what happens from here on out is unclear, although it is safe to say that the fate of the BTFD algos today lies in the hands of some 280 freshly painted white trucks.
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Ok Vlad. Now is the time to start the purge of the New Bolshevik oligarchs. The world is waiting and knows that you are the only leader left capable of purging the global cancer known as zionism.
Couldnt agree more, time to get rid of the filth in the Western sytem!
Just like my father told me a long time ago,
"Never, ever trust a nazi"
Ukraine Blocks Russian Humanitarian Convoy
Molly geez....can they actually do that?
These descendants of the Bolshies learned from their ancestors, who slaughtered 100m or so Russians and the world knows barely a peep about it. No Spielberg movies about it.
If Ukraine doesn't want any of it then maybe Russia can ship it to our southern border instead since our own government has also created a massive humanitarian crisis of illegal invaders who we can't support.
I'll tell you what I can't fucking believe: I can't fucking believe these idiots are tweeting about this shit. The while goddamned planet has a 5 minute attention span.
God help us.
Ebola in Sapin!
http://www.ibtimes.com/spanish-priest-miguel-pajares-being-treated-ebola...
Annnnnndd here we go!
The 8 Chinese nurses has me a bit more interested. If that shit is airborne like it seems to be, that will be a wild ride in China.
Like the Americans did in Serbia, and Iraq, they are ordering the Kiev government to bomb the shit of the civilians, and starve them out, thus the denial of food aid. The USSA is controlled by satanist banksters.
Nuland Etal is in charge of this counter-ploy.
ICRC controlled by Nuland Etal.
Ukraine controlled by Nuland Etal.
This is what Putin will do. He'll accede to the demands. He'll let the Ukranians inspect and drive the trucks. He will demonstrate his good faith and desire to help the defenseless women and children of the Donbass. But Ukraine will not get gas. First frost is 60 days away.
Nuland Etal is communist, heartless, willing to work with Nazis, as they have since the beginning.
http://www.savethemales.ca/091202.html
Here is some of the filth in the western system, hard at work....No Surprise here FOLKS
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/fake-100-bills-eluded-detection-040100966....
How fucking stupid ... if Russia wanted to invade Ukraine, does anyone really think they need to do so under a disguise? WTF are these idiots in Kiev thinking?
None of the descisions taken about the Ukraine, in Kiev or in Europe are logical.
Here's a dutch article, in which there is mention that EU diplomats are demanding other (non-EU) countries stop delivering fruit and vegetables to Russia.
(Now that the Netherlands fruit and veggie export is collapsing, because of russian counter-sanctions.)
http://www.nu.nl/economie/3849673/eu-in-actie-landen-rusland-helpen-bij-...
Brussels is remotely controlled. Just like our government here.
Re: the counterfeiting story: "one large printing press that they would determine had been shipped from Israel"
"Never, ever trust a nazi"
Observation of actions suggests a different subject, one that bankrolls the neo-nazi with money printed from thin-air.
Kiev wants to make sure the Nudleman Cookies are part of the aid package.
People dying of starvation? Hmmmmm....
Did you fill forms 177c in triplicate and 54AID0? Sorry, we have no copies.
You should have brought them with you?
People are what? Hmmmmmmm....
Forms forms forms......
Governments, if they endure, always tend increasingly toward aristocratic forms. No government in history has been known to evade this pattern. And as the aristocracy develops, government tends more and more to act exclusively in the interests of the ruling class — whether that class be hereditary royalty, oligarchs of financial empires, or entrenched bureaucracy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XijsnujcFg
The Nazi's always kept meticulous records. The ultimate command and control bureaucracy. Just doing what they have always done.
Damn just sound the 7th trumpet and get it over with. I think Ill have a two cigarettes over easy with a Scotch for breakfast.
I guess they're worried it's a Trojan Horski.
Tobacco kills ebola!
SO DOES SCOTCH!!!
I wonder why
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/cruz-and-bardem-face-fury-of-ho...
Jews DO control the media - The Times of IsraelPutin is Jewish. This is just a build up to a war to kill white people on both sides.
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/putinzionistpawn03jan13.shtml
No he isn't you moe-ron!
But the dude on the other side of the conflict is, the same guy who orders ukraine copters and jets to fire on their fellow ukraine compatriots, and shoot down airliners based in south east asia. Not a joo was aboard that flight. Such is their attitude toward 'goyim'.
The worst kind of troll is an ignorant troll, trying to push disinformation on the public... Sorry asshat, that won't work on ZH...
They take after their masters - being lying sons of bitches.
He didn't even read the details in that dumb link. It says that none of the statements could be confirmed. The logical fallacies come one after another.
IMO it's a good idea to research any info on Putin that you can find. Is he a rival to the Anglo-American NWO or part of it ? That website provided nothing of value to help answer that question.
I read the website you linked, and after appreciating the irony of posting a Makow link myself (see above), I have to say I think you're info is bogus.
Putin a Jew? I doubt it. Reasons follow:
1. While it is true that Jews have been known to pass as Christians (see crypto-Jews in Inquisition Spain), if one looks close enough, one can usually find tell-tales that show they are just faking. Putin's faith appears to be as real as one can expect from any politician, anywhere. Going through the motions of Christian worship ith one's fingers cross behind one's back is one thing, and crypto-Jews have done this for millenia. Bringing the Christian church to power-parity with government, and defending Christians in foreign lands (Armenia and Syria), is usually beyond the ability of a Jew to bring himself to do. If there is one thing Jews hate more than anything else, it is Jesus Christ.
2. Putin aggressively prosecuted the Jewish oligarchs, not ususally something Jews do to other Jews.
3. Putin is not anti-semitic. He appears to genuinely include Jews as members of Russian society. The fact that he doesn't appear to treat Jews any better or any worse than any other Russian citizen to me says that he is not Jewish. Were he Jewish, and aware of his Jewishness, my guess is that he would not be able psychologically to maintain this level of equanimity. He would feel pressure to either pander to Jews, or to treat them harshly. He does neither, thus, he is not a Jew.
4. The fact that Russia is demonized by the Nuland Etal/DC (dual citizen, or other acronym) crowd, and the fact that Ukaraine is dominated by these forces tells me that Russia stands in the way of Zionist world domination, rather than being part of the scheme.
5. This may be left-field, but I take my evidence where I find it. Edgar Cayce predicted that Russia would become a freedom-loving nation and the last best hope for humanity.
http://deusnexus.wordpress.com/2014/03/12/edgar-cayce-russi/
Putin is not a Jew, and he is not working for the Jews.
They think that way because that's what they would do, in secret of course.
If they won't welcome humanitarian aid, then they should be made to welcome Russian fighter jets and bombers - eliminating their ability to create a humanitarian crisis in the first place.
And following on the NATO-approved model in Libya - Petro Poroshenko and his entire family in (regardless of where in downtown Kiev they hide) should be explicitly targeted for containment.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
two wrongs don't make a right. btw, was Libya "NATO approved"? you are not making the difference between a destabilization and an intervention after a civil war started
You're right, two wrongs don't make a right, but, unfortunately, they do make for sensible foreign policy if one views all sovereigns as inherently equal and seeks to be respected as other sovereign(s) are. NATO coordinated and executed Libya, so they must have approved of it, but as to which country is the destabilization and which is the civil war, I am actually a bit confused...
UR, I remember when bombers had to fly over europe just to hit one of Ghaddaffi's tents. Last Century stuff. Then Ghaddaffi had a change of heart, and became again a somewhat friendly country. Now I have no idea if someone started the Lybian Civil War, yet it looked like a genuine rebellion against the Lybian dictator
it was only after the civil war was going on that NATO started to interfere. and even there, I do remember how it was the US that claimed to have a good plan. but I digress, what I wanted to write is that "NATO coordinated and executed Lybia" sounds a bit...
Ghaddafi was allegedly found and shot in the same way as Ceacescu was, deep in the fog of war. Or do you have different, better info?
sovereigns inherently equal? when? where? how? you have to force sovereigns to treat (often only specific) other sovereigns as equals and peers. as we try among the EU peers, to the great chagrin of Britain. As the Romans said, you have to hold the she-wolf by the ears. Otherwise, sovereigns "play" the dominance and submission "game", also called Hegemony and Vassalship, or the Imperial Sphere Game, or just the "Great Game", or as "Laws" noted not long ago, the "Feudal Game". And if this is a euro-centric view... I'm available to examine counter-evidence. China and Japan? hardly
Back in the spring of 2011, Syria looked a lot more organic than Libya did. Qaddafi bombed the armory in Benghazi because Fatah Younis was defecting with all of Q'Daf's eastern heavy artillery. Then long before the SAS showed up with a satellite link to Whitehall, the Emir of Qatar was channeling guns and money through the MB in Egypt to the eastern provinces. Then (after running up the sat phone and catering bills in Brussels and getting the UNSC 1973 permission slip) NATO got involved, and when NATO ran out bombs and Barry wasn't in a rush to resupply them, they unleashed Bernanke's printing press on the Emir and to a lesser extent, (IMO due to the White Hut's savage mishandling of the Mubarak fiasco) King Abdilaziz, so they would put mercenary boots on the ground to finish the job NATO couldn't. Barry and Hitlery have even admitted that it was precisely because Syria was organic and there was no professional opposition to funnel money and guns to, that the US passed on the opportunity in 2011 (Hitlery now says that this was Barry's choice and obviously a mistake, but what difference does it make...)
As to the Great Game, of course they're a bunch of sanctimonious vampires, why else would morality only be utilized as a justification for a course of action that has already been deemed desirable, and why morality itself is never a motivation for those who have annual box seats to the Great Game. But it's really unbecoming when NATO members complain or threaten escalation when their own tactics are employed by others.
Nothing there about the money and weapons provided by Qatar? And Ghadafi's plan to create an African gold dinar to be used as currency to trade in the African block?? Not matter what, Ghadafi like Saddam and Assad all wanted what was best for their own citizens! A lot more than what someone like drone boy want for Americans! And in fact those countries were a hell of a lot better than places like Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait etc bastions of democracy where the ruling families store their wealth in park avenue and US weapons..
The sticky wicket in this case is Ukraine is not a NATO member so NATO has no business interfering legally or morally but that's where this foggy legal fiction of "Right to Protect" comes into play.
It's a sort of American Express card to bomb the shit out of anyone we don't like.
Obama's "Fuck you. Don't like it? Sue me."
Works like a charm.
Works until it doesn't work.
Sue? Well, Mr. Putin, in due time, may do just that.
I feel a Putin photo opp coming up.
Get ready for a bare chested Putin loading medical wares onto trucks.
Que up the Putin Man Crush team!!!!
Putin, you rock dude!
Since when did NATO stand for North African Treaty Organization ? Where in their charter gives them the right to interfere in internal affairs ?
Also, as i learned from my dear Uncle Sam, never trust a humanitarian mission.
so true.
the most devious of disguises...
But the Russians don't need to disguise anything here. Humanitarian relief is generally used for smuggling small arms, ammunition, and communication equipment (in addition to such dual use items as food, water and medicine).
Because of geographical proximity there are countless cars crossing the border every day with these materials already loaded in their trunks, regardless of whether they are driven by rebellious youngsters or little green men.
No one would use an official border crossing for smuggling BUK batteries or tanks into Ukraine when there are such appealing alternatives and the risk/reward is so skewed against doing so.
in this case, the Kremlin seems has found a new use for humanitarian relief. propaganda, and a FU to all multilateralism
Have you ever seen USAID "gifts" being delivered, and the gaggle of Joesph Goebbels' finest that accompany the local US Ambassador to such an event... when is humanitarian relief (regardless of whether it's unilateral or multilateral) not also used for propaganda purposes?
I fully agree, and I'd go as far as even admitting that a lot of aid is corruptive and manipulative. but not all of it
The stated goal of USAID aka CIA:
"USAID’s efforts directly enhance American—and global—security and prosperity. The United States is safer and stronger when fewer people face destitution, when our trading partners are flourishing, when nations around the world can withstand crisis, and when societies are freer, more democratic, and more inclusive, protecting the basic rights and human dignity of all citizens. By focusing on these two goals, together, we position ourselves to meet the challenges of today while mitigating the risks of tomorrow."
If that's not the biggest crock of shit you've ever heard, I don't know what is. Maybe this..
"Now, this debt ceiling -- I just want to remind people in case you haven't been keeping up -- raising the debt ceiling, which has been done over a hundred times, does not increase our debt; it does not somehow promote profligacy. All it does is it says you got to pay the bills that you've already racked up, Congress. It's a basic function of making sure that the full faith and credit of the United States is preserved."
-Barry
I guess Putin didn't want to wait 6 months for Euros to decide how many pickles to send.
This was part of what was released 8-11-2014 by the ICRC in Geneva
Today the ICRC met with the Ukrainian and the Russian authorities and shared a document which specifies the manner in which such an operation could take place. This includes the agreement by all sides that the ICRC will be allowed to deliver the aid with due respect for its fundamental working principles of neutrality, impartiality and independence.
The document also stipulates, among other matters, that prior to beginning of the operation, the ICRC should receive without undue delay from the authorities of the Russian Federation all necessary details concerning the aid, including the volume and type of items, and requirements for transport and storage. All parties must also guarantee the security of ICRC staff and vehicles, for the entire duration of the operation, in view of the fact that the organization does not accept armed escorts.
Paint was dry and the guys in the tan shirts and shorts were already pulling out.
Shades of Gaza
Infinite QE, why so rash?
BBC's David Stern, embedded in Kiev, assures us that it's all a big misunderstanding and that The Government has it handled.
Vlad should turn the trucks around and let them starve if they are that brainwashed by this group or stupid.
It's generally bad form to use the word starve....when it comes to the subject of the Ukraine.
Nutritionally Challenged is the PC term in current favor.
Clever move by Moscow.
Allow it through and Russia is the supporting hero, plus it strengthens the resolve of the rebels.
Don't allow it through and Kiew looks like a callous perpetrator.
If the both sides were smart they should do a preliminary customs check of each russian truck (proving Russian good will), allow the legitamite goods in, and then combine the russian relief convoy with Ukrainian relief trucks of it´s own, declare a 72 hour truce, and mix in plenty of press to show some bilateral cooperation. That has a way of dissapating the clouds of war and gives a chance that some new diplomatic initatiive can be started. But it isn´t going to happen now is it.
Nazis already have the press in their pocket. Why go trough the extra trouble?
I seriously haven't understood the Jewish interest in this. The global media is firmly Jewish. I don't get how the Jews and Nazis can work together?
Rather go through the extra trouble with food and water aid than filling more coffins with young cannon fodder.
I don't get how the Jews and Nazis can work together?
you need to start reading some books by anthony c sutton and eustace mullins my boy
Actually, this was 100% predictable, if you assume the Working Model of the Neo/Zio-Cons wanting and needing an armed conflict with Russia...
Which prevents an EU pivot to Asia, and delays the demise of the Dollar's GRC status.
p.s. FWIW, my Working Model has adequately explained everything the US does and does not do.
Ukraine's Nuland-appointed Nazi Government wants a Russian invasion, so under that pretext they can prolong their rule little bit more. Russia is frustrating them by not invading, as Putin knows, heads or tails Ukraine is gone. So why wasting resources?
Uncle Scam rules Kiev, so who wants woar again ?
RT reports that Uke parliament passed 1st reading of sanctions bill against Russia that includes a ban on transiting Russian gas through Ukraine this morning. 2nd reading tomorrow would make it law.
http://rt.com/business/179688-ukraine-parliament-russia-sanctions/
Yatsenyuk bill containes 26 restrictions on Russia, but the most controversial is a ban on energy transit. Yatsenyuk hopes this will help halt Ukraine’s dependence on Russian gas, but the EU might be hurt the hardest.
This is very good. The EU wanted Russia not to invade Ukraine. But this new law will force them to urge Russians to invade not just Eastern Ukraine but the whole of it.
won't happen, already discussed yesterday, ukrain cannot do this, is so, east EU go into war for gaz then it is immediate WW3 coz of fondamental winter delivery hack.
When laws are outlwed, only outlaws will pass laws.
Or something..
looking to their legs, they didn't really had that much sun in Russia this summer...
THEIR ECONOMY WILL CRASH BECAUSE OF LACK OF SUNSHINE!!!
Putin has put down his marker and is now playing both Obama and Kerry for fools in a contest that cost Russia little. Putin wants a path or land link to Crimea and if he doesn't get Eastern Ukraine next week he will next month or next year at the latest. Putin holds all the cards and time is on his side. More on this subject in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/07/putin-holds-all-cards.html
The puppet does what the puppeteer wants....on both sides of the divide.
Why do I have Metallica going through my head right now?
Exit light.....into night.
That one?
That's the album where Metallica objectively sucked... Master of Puppets might be the best hard rock album of all time... And Justice for All was the last of their decent albums...
yes, Master of Puppets
End of passion play, crumbling away
I'm your source of self-destruction
Veins that pump with fear, sucking dark is clear
Leading on your deaths construction
Taste me you will see
More is all you need
Dedicated to
How I'm killing you
Come crawling faster
Obey your Master
Your life burns faster
Obey your Master
Master
Master of Puppets I'm pulling your strings
Twisting your mind and smashing your dreams
Blinded by me, you can't see a thing
Just call my name, 'cause I'll hear you scream
Master
Master
Just call my name, 'cause I'll hear you scream
Master
Master
Needlework the way, never you betray
Life of death becoming clearer
Pain monopoly, ritual misery
Chop your breakfast on a mirror
Taste me you will see
More is all you need
Dedicated to
How I'm killing you
Come crawling faster
Obey your Master
Your life burns faster
Obey your Master
Master
Master of Puppets I'm pulling your strings
Twisting your mind and smashing your dreams
Blinded by me, you can't see a thing
Just call my name, 'cause I'll hear you scream
Master
Master
Just call my name, 'cause I'll hear you scream
Master
Master
Master, Master, where's the dreams that I've been after?
Master, Master, you promised only lies
Laughter, Laughter, all I hear or see is laughter
Laughter, Laughter, laughing at my cries
Hell is worth all that, natural habitat
Just a rhyme without a reason
Neverending maze, drift on numbered days
now your life is out of season
I will occupy
I will help you die
I will run through you
Now I rule you too
Come crawling faster
Obey your Master
Your life burns faster
Obey your Master
Master
Master of Puppets I'm pulling your strings
Twisting your mind and smashing your dreams
Blinded by me, you can't see a thing
Just call my name, 'cause I'll hear you scream
Master
Master
Just call my name, 'cause I'll hear you scream
Master
Master
@ IR, if you are into music, I feel as though this sums up America right now. But anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1z-LIUeeB8
I thought the Black album was their last good one. Still MoP and Justice for All were their two best.
Master of Puppets.
http://www.globalistagenda.org/
There is nothing humanitarian about our current state of things across the many battle fronts. Ask yourself who can change things....
God.
That little Ebola thingie can do quite a lot too. Give the little fellow a chance!!
Right, Poroshenko. Those russian bandaids have morphine in the adhesive part. That syringe is actually a gun barrel. That defibrillator is a dirty bomb. And that there box of hersheys chocolate will raise dopamine levels in the brains of seperatists making them feel better and you cant have that, plus only poroshenko chocolate sees the light of day in ukraine, so keep the infiltrators out
Chocolate Man is now making all of America and Europe look (moar) stupid. He actually thinks Putin put the bombs and grenades in the same convoy Putin posted all over Youtube? Ok buddy.
Putin's on track to conquer Ukraine with sacks of flour and cans of canola oil.
I find nothing on the ICRC web site saying they know anything about this convoy. All they say there is a humanitarian crisis
in eastern Ukraine (and Gaza, Syria, and western Africa too).
Just flux inspect each truck as it crosses the border crossing. Aid goes through but ammo and weapons don't.
Love the white trucks recently painted over and the tan shorts and tees on the driver crews. Cute touch.
Swiss don't generally get their panties in a bunch if the public website isn't updated every five minutes.
At some there point there will be a carefully proof-read and spell checked press release available in a bunch of languages and it will eventually be posted to the site. Until then-
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/11/us-ukraine-crisis-redcross-idU...
The whole MSM loves to pour scorn on the 'recently painted white trucks"
Why?
Maybe they wanted to be easily identified and what do you know, they didn't have a big inventory of white trucks painted a while back for humanitarian missions which were not expected.
The IRC is hardly as neutral as they pretend to be. It has devolved into another careerist org.
And why isn't the International Red CRESCENT right there, to alleviate the plight of those poor Christians!? Where's the Reciprocity for all that humanitarian work that the Red Cross does in Muslim countries?
This is pure entertainment. Just looking at that big line of shiny white trucks lined up had me rolling on the floor. Seriously folks, think of the pre-planning that went into this. Putin and his posse are brilliant. The convoy looks like the Second coming of Christ riding in on their white horses . . . The only thing missing would be Putin driving the first truck. lmao. and Satan and his minions stop them on the border. rotflmao....we all know how this ends. This PR stunt worked as planned. Next thing we'll see is Putin turning the convoy around and heading to East St. Louis with those folks under siege. Pass the Popcorn and get me a Corona.
big line of shiny white trucks
Everyone knows that the blue trucks are the good guys.
Meanwhile:
Malaysian press charges Ukraine government shot down MH 17
By Alex Lantier9 August 2014
A Thursday article in the New Straits Times, Malaysia’s flagship English-language newspaper, charged the US- and European-backed Ukrainian regime in Kiev with shooting down Malaysian Airlines flight MH 17 in east Ukraine last month. Given the tightly controlled character of the Malaysian media, it appears that the accusation that Kiev shot down MH17 has the imprimatur of the Malaysian state.
The US and European media have buried this remarkable report, which refutes the wave of allegations planted by the CIA in international media claiming that Russian president Vladimir Putin was responsible for the destruction of MH17, without presenting any evidence to back up this charge.
The New Straits Times article, titled “US analysts conclude MH17 downed by aircraft,” lays out evidence that Ukrainian fighter aircraft attacked the jetliner with first a missile, then with bursts of 30-millimeter machine gun fire from both sides of MH17. The Russian army has already presented detailed radar and satellite data showing a Ukrainian Sukhoi-25 fighter jet tailing MH17 shortly before the jetliner crashed. The Kiev regime denied that its fighters were airborne in the area, however.
The New Straits Times article began, “Intelligence analysts in the United States have already concluded that Malaysia flight MH17 was shot down by an air-to-air missile, and that the Ukrainian government had had something to do with it. This corroborates an emerging theory postulated by local investigators that the Boeing 777-200 was crippled by an air-to-air missile and finished off with cannon fire from a jet that had been shadowing it as it plummeted to earth.”
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/08/09/mala-a09.html
False-flagging mother fuckers.
Remember- "through deception we will make war"
In a related note, a toady of Igor Kolomoisky had his facebook account hacked and the messages implicate his privately funded army as being responsible for shooting down MH17. English translation and screenshots:
http://en.voicesevas.ru/news/analytics/2793-kolomoyskiy-assistants-faceb...
That CYA motto seems remarkably similar to that of the Mo'sad. Are they Kissing Cousins?
lies
i have not read this report but it must be lies.
it has not been mentioned on the bbc,the cnn or the fox so it cannot be real news actuality.
we should not read such ant semetic propaganda i tell ya
why would israeli and polish pilots be involved in such dutch and muslim slaughter.
zionism has nose dog in this fight
Winter is approaching, so time is running out for Obama's puppets in the Ukraine. Gazprom's only way to shut down natural gas deliveries to the Ukraine is to shut down all the gas going through pipelines that transit through the Ukraine. Otherwise, the Ukrainians will tap in and divert some of the gas for themselves. It could be a very cold winter in Kiev.
AND THE IMPORTANT STORY! Robin Williams has assumed room temperature. I hope they get him in the ground quicker than Anna Nicole. The memorial vigils might get us to Thanksgiving....and then we can focus on Black Friday. . . and watch mall beat downs between re-runs of Real Housewives.
We need to get Dr. Hunter S Thompson on this!
Don't these things come in threes? Any bets on who the next two are?
If Russia did not set this up with the Red Cross - and have Red Cross members on board - then it is a mistake and let's Kiev get away with blocking it. We need YouTube videos of Red Cross staff being blocked.
Something tells me that RedCross staff is being forced by some authorities to play dead. Even the RC must obey the banksters, don't forget that.
who is the sponsor of RC?
Do you trust "western" governments? I don't.
...and you trust NON-''Western'' governments?
Guys get a clue. Russia is no better nor worse. Wise up.
Monsieur Leraconteur,
You should wise up. Washington is the aggressor here and has a motive to stop the convoy. All Western governments are US satellites. The point of the current conflict over East Ukraine is to rope first Ukraine and ultimately Russia into the US's globe-girdling hive of compliant states. It rankles Washington that Russia has not been reduced to satellite status.
V.V. Putin jumped on Poroshenko's offer to allow a convoy through in conjunction with the IRC, just as he did Kerry's offer on Syria of last fall. He struck before Poroshenko could change his mind (i.e., before he got a blistering phone call from Washington telling him no dice on the convoy.) It appears the call came before the convoy reached the Ukrainian border. Now let's see what happens.
Yes, those US Army convoys are at the border as we speak.
Your preference to blame the current world power blinds you to the fact that everyone else is doing the same dirty tricks.
You should wise up.
"... everyone else is doing the same dirty tricks."
I'm not aware that Russia is aiming to enclrcle and ultimately dismember the United States -- whereas that is what the US is seeking to do to Russia. Ukraine is just a stepping stone to an Orange Revolution in Red Square, the better to get our mits on Russia's vast natural resources wealth and wreck any prospect of a pan-Eurasian entente taking place. That would spell the end of what's left of our economic dominance and the reserve role of the dollar.
My problem with US foreign policy isn't just its reliance on what you call dirty tricks. Its our striving for global strategic predominance. We can't afford that and the world doesn't want it. It's a recipe for keeping us embroiled in the affairs of countries of no particular relevance to US security, bankruptcy (we're already there), and the destruction of our civil liberties (what's left of them.)
As for the Russian convoy, if it's OK for us to rescue endangered Iraqis, surely the Russians have the right to rescune endangered Russians.
Vlad isn't about to unload the trucks at the border so you clowns can sell it on the blackmarket Pork Chop.
Those grain and sunflower crops coming in (what got planted) will need to be dried with Natural gas or the harvest will be pretty low grade, high moisture, moldy short storage life and your whole contry needs to eat, HYvrnia already cut in half, import with what?. I don't think Putin plans on feeding your fat ass Porky PIG but you soon will be on your Knees begging for food..
Karma it's a bitch ain't it fat boy. Ukraine famine version 2.0
Pork chop needs those supplies for the Ukraine army
Trojan Convoy...Beware of Russians bearing gifts.
Analogous to the Americans' responsibility to protect civilians, eh?
So, America can be the only country to provide aid now?
Now things get interesting.
Bad news.....we can't afford it anymore.
We just be po like everyone else now.
the usa is also the only country which can bomb whomever the fuck they want whenever the fuck they want.
Only if King Barry approves it.....it's still a pretty high bar.
No please, no American aid.
I know how American aid looks like so let me die in peace.
How's that line go again...
When food (convoys) doesn't cross borders...
The Ukrainians seriously cannot figure out why Russia thinks their convoy might get bombed by their aircraft near a war zone? And yes, the antiaircraft vehical is more than capable of pulling over to the side of the road and providing long range air cover within 5 minutes. It is perfect for protecting that convoy.
Maybe Putin show feed his own starving people (largely outside urban areas), before doing this.
Ah, the old "Charity begins at home" principle!
Seeing that you're such a "principled" person, no doubt you have spoken out about the starving, homeless, destitute, sick and uninsured in the USSA?
Not sure if anyone pointed this out yet, but the Red Cross has quite a history of operating in the region, particularly within Russia leading up to & including the Bolshevik Revolution.
21st century Trojan Horse?
Going back to the rebellion in Kiev, the thing that struck me was how sudden the shooting olf the demonstrators occurred. Up until that point, the existing administration had held off. Then all of a sudden these demonstrators were picked off from snipers. I think that was orchestrated by the CIA to turn the tide against the Russian-supported President of Ukraine. Serious hardball and more than a few innocent lives taken. Never heard anything more about who did the acutal shooting, did we?
Then we have the shooting down of the airliner. Probably was the Russian Rebels but very likely Ukraine steered that airliner over Donesk. The reports of a Ukraine fighter jet near the airliner are probably correct. It was tailing the airliner to trick the rebels into shooting a missle. Once the missle was fired, the fighter probably peeled away, killed it's engines, whatever. So another significant event with major loss of innocent lives.
The Russians aren't stupid. They know the CIA is behind alot of this stuff. They also intend to protect their own in eastern Ukraine and their border with Ukraine. If the US is dumb enough to play up to this we will have a signficant conforntation/war.
Not sure what news sites you read, but here in Europe it was about 2 months back mentioned everywhere, that the investigation about the Kiev shooting found nobody responsible for it. This investigation was performed by the current gov officials, of course, and it shows that Berkut or any other official state units were NOT shooting their own people.
Here is an investigation report performed by a german tv from April 10 2014, it's worth watching it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDPJ-ucnyPU
It shows that the snipers were positioned at the building where the "opposition" teams were located at the time of shootings, it means they shot their own people..
We will never know who was leading this killings, but looking at the massacres in the eastern Ukraine, one can be sure, it was exactly those powers who are killing people now in the name of the official Ukraine goverment in the "anti-terrorist" operation eastern part of country.
Additionally on the video page in my post above people mentioned other similar shooting ocurrences:
2002 Venezuelan coup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kIUa7N6I8E
or 1989 Romanian revolution
It's a pretty good plan.
Shoot the cops and a few street protesters to muddy the water and rachet up the action by both sides blaming each other.
Goodbye Yanukovich.
Here's some of the volunteer sweethearts who will block aid to the separatists.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11025137/Ukrain...
The convoy is due to go through the Kharkiv oblast tomorrow. My understanding is
that the Red cross must be in full control when it gets to the Ukrainian border at Zhuralevka/Hoptivka.
Well, Putin should ask the convoy trucks to step aside for a while, send in the military to clear the way and be done with it. Then provide military escorts to the convoy.
The border post looks a bit like a stadium
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/57840868
. . . maybe an appropriate place for things to kick-off.
http://rt.com/news/179632-russia-humanitarian-aid-ukraine/
"...the convoy will be accompanied by representatives from the OSCE." - Leonid Kuchma, Ukraine's second President and the mediator in the [humanitarian] operation told journalists.
Russia initially came up with a proposal to send humanitarian aid under the auspices of the International Committee of the Red Cross to Ukraine's troubled eastern regions last week at the UN Security-Council meeting. However, the leaders of the US, UK, and Germany seem to be stalling the operation, Lavrov said, accusing the states of "blatant expression of cynicism" for claiming that all necessary humanitarian measures "are already being taken" by Kiev authorities.
"Lavrov said, accusing the states of "blatant expression of cynicism" for claiming that all necessary humanitarian measures "are already being taken" by Kiev authorities."
Well that is it then. There isn't a humanitarian crisis in Donetsk. The Ukies have it covered with their proxy "supersonic democracy". Nothing to worry about.
+1 for Supersonic Democracy.
Seems to be a lot of pro-Russian sentiment on this site. I agree with most of you that the US has zero business getting involved.
However, I recommend people read the book "The Man Without a Face: The Unlikely Rise of Vladimir Putin"... he is an extremely ruthless and cunning man. I would be very suspicious of nearly any move he makes.
I highly doubt Putin stops until mother Russia is reunited. Again, not that it's our business to invtervene... but just sayin.....
Vlad is no saint and Russia is no paradise. The real lament is that the USA has become so distorted as a democracy and has strayed from its constitiution and in the process caused more problems in the world than good.
Russia would really have to work overtime in order to match America's 1000 foreign bases, and budget breaking military expenditure and endless list of enemies that America has managed to create by meddling in other countries.
If Vlad can make Russia strong as a counterweight to the misuse of American power then he can be my guest because that effort just might pull the USA back from the brink of destruction.
I hope you're right. But I suspect that we'll get into a game of "my dick is bigger than yours". Won't end well.
But that's ok with me.... got my land and guns.... I'm ready to sit back and watch the fireworks.....
To Farmer Joe:
First, what a GREAT moniker! "Farmer Joe" - I love it.
Second, I suspect that it is NOT a game of "my dick is bigger than yours". Putin, like the leader of any nation, has many constituencies to satisfy (to name just a few, the oligarrchs, the Russian military, the Russia people, the large corporations within Russia (both Rissian and foreign). I am sure they all factor into his decision-making.
When I moved to Europe in 2009, I was unable (by law) to bring my guns (about 10 pistols and 5 rifles) - so I left them with my brother. Howver, I have since purchased several new pistols and a rifle, so I will also be "ready with my guns"!
To Peter Pan:
I agree with your statement, but offer one correction. The United States of America, as a government, was NEVER intended to be a "democracy". In a true democracy, the majority ALWAYS rules and the minorities have no rights
Rather, it was intended to be a REPUBLIC with a written Constitution guaranteeing the natural RIGHTS of all its people, whether they are the majority, the minority or simply ONE person alone. Futher, each of the several states was itself considered a sovereign nation; the Constitution stipulating in that contract (legal TRUST), that each state itself would maintain a REPUBLICAN form of government, as well.
(At least that was the theory. Uufortunately,it did not remain that way for very long )
Would you prefer your national leaders to be "politically correct" idiots?
At least he is a winner who actions indicate that he cares about his nation and it's future.
When was the last time we had a "winner" for a national leader?
Hey pal... You should really be more discerning about the sources of what you read. The author of the book is Masha Gessen, a notorious Putin-hating Jewish LGBT activist with dual Russian/ USA citizenship. She is affiliated with numerous anti-Putin American NGO's and well-known Putin haters such as George Soros and Pussy Riot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masha_Gessen
By the way NWO folks like George Soros and Masha Gessen would like nothing better than to take your guns and land away.
Great summation, Boogity. I posted on Gessen below before seeing yours. Thanks.
... not that it's our business to invtervene...
The intervention is from the world’s superpower, the United States with its Federal Reserve money, its control of IMF, NATO, CIA and the European Central Bank to push the Nuland agenda up to the border of Russia and threaten a banking takeover of the last hurdle to the tribe.
The author of your book is Jewish.
It is Jewish influence that reduced Berlin society to a cesspool, and it is Jewish influence with its control of Hollywood and publishing and media that has reduced American culture to a cesspool.
By 1930, with 80% of the theatre directors Jewish and authoring 75% of the produced plays, Berlin was a haven of total permissiveness where anything went and every passion and vice could be indulged with impunity. And just as America with its Jewish ownership of the Fed has forced its degenerate culture on the world, Berlin became the cultural center of Central and Eastern Europe as well..
FYI: Masha Gessen – Wikipedia:
Masha Gessen was born into an Ashkenazi Jewish family in Moscow. In 1981 Gessen moved with her family to the United States.[4] She returned in 1991 to Moscow.[4] She holds both Russian and US citizenship. Her brothers are Keith Gessen, Daniel Gessen and Philip Gessen…
Maria Alexandrovna Gessen, born 13 January 1967), better known as Masha Gessen, is a Russian and American journalist, author, and activist noted for her opposition to Russian President Vladimir Putin. Gessen identifies as a lesbian and has written extensively on LGBT rights and helped found the Pink Triangle Campaign. She has been described as "Russia's leading LGBT rights activist"[2] and has said herself that for many years she was "probably the only publicly out gay person in the whole country."[3]
Gessen writes primarily in English but also in her native Russian, and in addition to writing books on Putin and Russian feminist punk rock protest group Pussy Riot, she has been a prolific contributor to such publications as The New York Times, The Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, The New Republic, New Statesman, Granta, Slate, Vanity Fair, and U.S. News & World Report….
One of the groups that took the lead in opposing her hiring at Radio Liberty, the Kavkaz Center, a Chechen Islamic entity, suggested that a major part of the problem had been Gessen's criticism of religious groups, stating that "the person holding her position has no right to offend the religious feelings of both Muslims and Orthodox Christians."[18]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masha_Gessen
My wife of 18 years is Russian from St. Petersburg, where her elderly parents still live. Our son, as my wife and her parents were, was baptized in to the Russian Orthodox Church not so much as matter of religious beliefs, since I myself am Agnostic, but out of respect for Russia's true cultural heritage, which is Russian Orthodox Christian.
My wife gives me the inside scoop on how 'real' traditional Russians feel about folks such as Gessen, Soros, Pussy Riot, Khodorkovsky, and the rest of the mostly Jewish Oligarchs and their mafia that have, along with help from western banksters, essentially raped Russia since the USSR collapsed in 1991. Even though she is not a big fan of Putin, she and her family respect the fact that Putin has stood up to the Jewish Oligarchs and is trying to protect traditional Russian culture from their obvious attempts to destroy it and integrate it into the Western-based NWO.
Your posts on ZH apprise us first-hand of our peril. Please keep them coming...
Unfortunately, as you say, the fall of Communism saw Russia's most prized assets sold off to a small circle of businessmen later known as oligarchs – for a pittance of their value. And now it appears the same has happened and is happening in the United States, a process enabled by Jewish ownership of and open access to the currency - i.e., the Fed and the Treasury.
A Russian engineering associate of mine who left the USSR several years back for the US sees the political climate in the US beginning to approximate that of the old USSR. He is preparing accordingly…
Also, you might be interested in this quote from a November 16, 2000, New York Review of Books book review posted at the Center for Defense/Johnson’s Russia List regarding…
"Red Mafiya: How the Russian Mob Has Invaded America":
"Whatever the American laws, a successful campaign against Russian mobsters will require the cooperation of other governments, particularly those of Russia and Israel, the two countries that are now the principal residences of most Russian crime bosses ... 'Of all the nations where the Russian mob has established a presence, none has been more deeply compromised than the State of Israel,' [Robert] Friedman writes, adding that the Russian mafia has 'become a grave threat to the stability of Israel.' Although this may be a bit hyperbolic, the Russian mafia does have a strong, safe base in Israel -- a story that American and Israeli journalists have largely overlooked. One FBI report observes, for example, that most members of Mogilevich's criminal organization have Israeli passports. And Jonathan Winer told Friedman (when Winer was still the State Department's crime expert), 'There is not a major Russian organized crime figure whom we are tracking who does not also carry an Israeli passport.’”
Farmer Joe,
What Boogity says about Masha Gessen is right.
I would add that V. V. Putin is an exceptional leader. Here is a partial list of what he has done for Russia:
Russia (like America under my old boss, Ronald Reagan) is back
Unprecedented political stability (after the chaos of the Yeltsin years)
Liquidated Soviet sovereign debt, eliminating Western leverage over Russia. Russian sovereign indebtedness of 9% (compared to more than 100% for the US and 90% for the EU).
Countered Washington’s efforts to absorb Ukraine and Georgia into NATO.
Built the North Sea pipeline from Russia to Germany
Average of 7.5% GDP growth annually, 2000-2008 (compared to Europe’s perennial stagnation)
Foreign exchange reserves of $500 billion
Sharply decreased poverty
15-fold increase in pensions
Built up Russia’s gold reserves
Demographic stabilization
13% flat income tax (wish we had that)
Filled the vacuum left by collapse of Marxism-Leninism with Christianity (while we are increasingly in thrall to an en explicitly anti-Christian cultural Bolshevism.)
The Western media claim to hate Putin because he is a “dictator;” they know he is not. In any case, they loved Yeltsin whose rule was vastly more dictatorial. What they hate about Putin is that he refuses to meekly comply, to knuckle under to the New World Order.
Increasing numbers of Americans (and Europeans) have grown to hate the New World Order (aka the Empire of Chaos) seeing it as a threat to peace, prosperity, national traditions and nationhood as such. That is why so many Westerns are rooting for V. V. Putin. They understand that if he and his countrymen can resist US aggression in Ukraine there is hope our leaders will begin to back away from the imperial project before it crashes and burns and we are all consumed in the wreckage.
If I was Putin perhaps I would send some gas to the Kiev government free of charge in order to soften them up. The only thing I have not made my mind up about is whether it would be poison gas, mustard gas, nitrous oxide or just plain methane.
Seems Kiev hadn't been paying for their Russian gas of late, owing Gazprom $4.5 billion at one stage...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-16/ukraine-faces-russian-gas-cutof...
Russia (that is, Gazprom) has officially halted all transfers of Russian natural gas to Ukraine. HOWEVER, since most of the pipelines to the rest of Europe travel through Ukraine, it is easy enough for the Kiev government to siphon off whatever amounts it wishes. And yes, the amount owed now exceeds $4.5 billion USD. The current cost to Ukraine is about $1.2 billion USD when the gas is actually flowing.
Britain doesn't much care, as it has the northern pipeline running directly from Russia to Britain.
The Southstream pipeline currently under construction will by-pass Ukraine completely. Its route from Russia, across the Black Sea, then into Bulgaria, then Serbia, along with additional pipelines extending into Hungary, Baumgartenin Austria - right on the border with Slovakia, Bosnia-Heregovina, Croatia, Slovenia and even into Tarvisio in Italy will supply all of these nations with an uninterrupted supply of natural gas.
THAT is why the Kiev government, the EU Commission and the U.S. government have "persuaded" Bulgaria to suspend construction of the Southstream pipeline in Bulgaria. Obviously, completion of this pipeline would remove Kiev's ability to "blackmail" the western European countries via theats of cutting off their natural gas supplies. Further, since these nations now PAY the Kiev government a "transit fee" on all gas flowing through Ukraine, the cost of gas via the Southstream pipeline to these nations would decrease. And Kiev would lose billions of U.S. dollars each year in such "transit fees".
Should the U.S. government succeed in stopping the Southstream pipeline AND in controlling the gas pipelines within Ukraine (via political means or actual ownership by "privatization", as mandated by the IMF re: its recent $17 billion loan to Kiev), the U.S. would not only significantly hurt the Russian economy, but gain control of all the economies of western Europe!
The old adage, "Never discount your enemy." applies here. The U.S. policy may seem haphazard and actually quite INSANE, but it is succeeds the U,S. and international bankers will have significantly degraded Russia's economic influence AND gained significant plitical and economic advantage over all of the western European nations. NOT so dumb after all !!!
Not totally right there Jack.
Northstream runs from Russia to Germany. Most of the UK's imported by pipe comes from Norway. I think our first Russian gas imports are due to start in October, via the European network.
For those people who are not "willfully cognitively impaired" (stuck on outdated/inaccurate worldviews or ideologies), will know that those who underestimate the cleverness, deviousness and tenacity of Zionists, lose to them. Each time, every time.
Adapt, plan and act accordingly.
When the Ukrainian crisis started, everyone was very worried about Putin. Was he going to push the world into a World War?
Fast forward today and you see bonehead administrative decisions made by the Russians. They should have confidence to do what they want to do. If they want to invade, they should invade. If they want to help, help within the context of the negotiated agreement.
All of this looks to be very juvenile decision-making. Putin is losing his touch. If his underlings are responsible for the handling of this issue, he should initiate corrective measures. If Putin is making these types of decisions, it shows a lack of executive decision-making ability.
Putin has found himself in a zero-sum game. He is not playing his cards very well.
Putin has time on his side and Kiev is getting worse by the day. Winter should have a chilling effect on Ukraine. The human and structural damage in the east is regrettable but as it gets worse the more it will reveal while the east wants to break away from Kiev. The failure of Kiev to speak to the rebels is an outright failure of governance. Furthermore in every hostage situation the one thing that is always done is to speak to the gunman in a hostage situation.