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Ukraine Slams "Provocation By A Cynical Aggressor", Refuses Russian Convoy Entry
With the Russian humanitarian convoy approaching the Ukraine border, there was much confusion yesterday whether Kiev would or wouldn't allow the roughly 280 trucks carrying "stuff" to enter its territory. The confusion rose yesterday afternoon when Russia's Lavrov told reporters in Sochi that Russia, after it asked for Germany's aid in getting Kiev to agree, received Ukraine’s permission for the convoy to enter after agreeing to Ukraine’s proposed route, agreeing that the convoy trucks will carry Ukrainian license plates, and complying with Ukraine’s demand for Ukrainian govt representatives to be on trucks. Turns out Ukraine was just kidding, and as Reuters reports this morning, the Kiev government once again denounced the dispatch of a Russian humanitarian aid convoy to eastern Ukraine as an act of Russian cynicism on Wednesday and said it would not be permitted to enter.
"The level of Russian cynicism knows no bounds," Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk said at a government meeting. "First they send tanks, Grad missiles and bandits who fire on Ukrainians and then they send water and salt."
Interior Minister Arsen Avakov said on his Facebook page: "No Putin 'humanitarian convoy' will be allowed across the territory of Kharkiv region. The provocation by a cynical aggressor will not be allowed on our territory."
The comments reflected suspicions in Kiev and Western capitals that passage of the convoy onto Ukrainian soil could turn into a covert military action to help pro-Russian separatists now losing ground to government forces.
Today, Finland too joined in, perhaps to make it seem that there is a western consensus against Russian humaintarian aid: "Finland’s government said in an e-mailed statement that the conflict in Ukraine “must be resolved through negotiations and to make that happen, it’s of primary importance that Russia stops aiding separatist groups."
However, just to keep the world on its toes, and to make the Ukraine government, now engaging in 4 months of civil war against its own people appear less heartless, it was not immediately clear if this was an outright rejection of the Russian aid or a refusal to allow the Russian trucks onto Ukrainian territory.
Ukraine said on Tuesday that the cargo would have to be unloaded from Russian trucks at the border and transferred under international Red Cross aegis onto other vehicles. The European Union (EU) said the contents would have to be scrutinized.
Kiev accuses Russia of supporting and arming the rebels - who now appear to be on the verge of defeat by government forces - with tanks, missiles and other weapons. Moscow denies this.
To be sure, expect this plotline to change at least several more times before the trucks finally arrive at their border destination, at which point it is anyone's guess just how Russia will escalate tensions should Kiev continue to dig in and refuse to help out the hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians and ethnic Russians caught in Europe's most deadly civial wars in years.
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Humanitarian aid? No thanks.
If you want to toss us some food at the border.....well OK sure.
turn off the fucking tap Vlad
Russia controls the timing while a slow motion melt-down ensures as Ukraine scrambles to deny/deflect/defend and western nations shift focus to Iraq/IS developments.
Would expect trucks will arrive at the least convenient time and location ...for everyone else.
Sooo... Finland chimed in.
A 100% dependent country on Russias' gas?
Fuck, it's gonna get cold there this winter.
Kiev: Russia’s humanitarian convoy will not be allowed into Ukraine
Let's just hope the Kiev junta decides to fire on the convoy
Don't worry, the Kiev Kriminals, controlled by the State Department Nudelman, will eventually do something so stupid(ie a terrorist attack against Russia) that Putin will intervene, and the Europeans will understand.
"Provocation By A Cynical Aggressor.."
..anybody else here write property tax checks on a semi-annual basis?
From the pic, this could be any state within the USSA.
Just saying.
There about to say no to humanitarian heat.
Latest news from independents' ground zero: www.slavyangrad.org
“officers and commanders visually appear quite un presentable, which is not surprising, given their daily field activities,”
-gee.. I guess that means no interviews on CNN, MSNBC-BS or Faux News.
Kiev Seeks to ‘Raze Southeast to the Ground,’ Expel Russian Speakers – Lavrov
Written by M. Molotov. That you, McMolotov?
p.s. to Truthseeker2: Of course that's what they got planned. That way they repopulate with own, take over Fields of Dreams (carbon fuels) AND move NATO to gates of Russia. Plus NATO will have cut off Russian navy in Crimea.
In the meantime... The Ukraine situation keeps Russia from being too active in the ME.
WW3 has already started for the Globalist/NWO Neo/Zio-Cons, and the fight for the promotion of the PETRO-Dollar to the ENERGY-Dollar is going on in earnest and full swing.
Ebolo-bamanation people apparently want us to feel patriotic sympathizing with Nazi’s.
We have been sponsoring another atrocity.
Just hope all the CIA and state dept shitbags connected with this continuous bad joke of global foreign policy "in the interests of the USA" get hung en masse in public come the day of reckoning, for the misery they are wreaking on millions around the world.
I'd queue up all patient like (for a day or so at least, if there are those sideshows to keep you occupied while waiting) just for the satisfaction of pissing on their stinking corpses.
Maybe the US would have been better run by the Illinois nazis in the Blues Brothers than this shower of shit pulling the strings.
Time to put Henry Gibson up on an independent ballot.
..way more personable Nazi than the ones running things now.
Is it just me, or is there no visual difference between Goebbels and Psaki?
..maybe it's just that the smell of testosterone is a bit stronger today.
Not with nice smooth tarmac roads like that it couldn't be.
"From the pic, this could be any state within the USSA.
Just saying."
What!! It must be a fraud! EVERYBODY knows trees in that part of the world are orange!!
If they keep aid on the border while people starve - Putin wins.
If they let the aid through, the rebels will hold until junta defaults on loan payments - Putin wins.
"Resistance is futile" - Putin.
That sounds like an anti-semitic conspiracy theory, comrade.
yes, Finland, a country that is not part of NATO, has never been a colonial power - in fact it was often part of Sweden or the Russian Empire, and is participant to the EUR
and, as you say, 100% dependent on Russian gas. and Finland calls a spade a spade by stating "that the conflict in Ukraine “must be resolved through negotiations and to make that happen, it’s of primary importance that Russia stops aiding separatist groups.”"
If the Finns are not scared of the cold... well, ok, there are few things Finns are scared of. Nevertheless, I agree with them, it's time for the Bear to show up to the negotiating table. A solid agreement would help the refugees way more than a convoy, particularly if this means they can go back home and back to work
The IMF, NATO and I am sure the US MIC have made it clear to Kiev that Eastern Ukraine is to be CRUSHED. Negotiations by Kiev will be viewed as failure and no IMF debt will be forthcoming in that case. Any negotiations, cease-fire or treaty will be tactical on the West's part in order to lull their oppenents for future conflict. Ask any Native American in the US what a US treaty is worth.
all arguments for not having serious negotiations? I have not lost even one word on Kiev, and no, I'm not talking about the US, neither
I'm talking about Russia's willingness to cease it's support of the rebels, and contribute to a peace settlement
I'm talking about all the refugees coming back home as a priority
the people of eastern ukraine are being killed at their homes by army send from kiev on orders of nuland and co. fuck off with your bullshit, if it was kiev being bombed by russia, finland, eu and usa would be screaming about a need for humanitarian bombing of moscow. by the way, how much does it pay to work as a PR for empire?
I defended Russia in many comments on this blog, if you search for them you'll find them. Russia has, imho, a right and a duty to care for Russian populations
I'm supporting the Finnish call for immediate negotiations. if this is shilling for empire, then yes, I'm an imperialist
negotiations is something that can and should take time. finland forgot to call for kiev to pull its army from atacking cities where people think and feel differently to kiev.
The problem is that it isn't up to Russia/Putin to negotiate. It's up to the illegal gov't in Kiev to stop their wholesale slaughter of people who voted (AKA self determination) to join Russia and be annexed. Why the fuck do the rebels, who are living in their own homes/cities that are being bombed, need to come to the table and trade off their right to self determination instead of the Kiev gov't just stopping their illegal activities? Who the fuck is the Kiev gov't to tell them what language they can speak? Can you imagine the U.S. gov't bombing neighborhoods that speak predominately spanish (or in the case of Obama gov't, english) and outwardly declaring that they will wipe out people who speak that language?
The whole premise of negotiations is that both sides are somewhat responsible and should horse trade for peace. This is a completely one-sided operation that originated with the U.S. going in and destabilizing a sovereign gov't. That is where the problem lies and I think more focus on the genesis of this confict is necessary so that folks around the world can understand exactly what is going on and who the bad guys are in this conflict!
Fucking A RIGHT!
There is more intelligence in that one little posting than you'll hear in a week on the mainstream news.
What you are missing is that Russia has called for negotiations for 3 months but Kiev, EU,USA al;l refuse to negotiate.
What Finland is missing is that for Russia to stop supporting rebels the EU and USA must stop supporting Kiev - which they refuse to do. If the WEst would negotiate this could all be solved.
Ghordius, at times you make really good comments. At other times, like the ones here today, you make some really... poorly thought out comments.
If you consider yourself to be a pro-liberty person, and TRULY believe in a person's, group's or people's right to Self-Determination, then you seem to be having a blatant double standard here.
E.g. Kosovo-Albanian separation is "good" and OK for the US to bomb the shit out of Serbia on the others side of the globe, but an East Ukraine separation from a Fascist junta is "bad", as is aid by fellow Russians down the road?
I'd like to see you dance around this, to see if we need to question your intelligence or your agenda.
Bingo!
note that every group that ever succeeded in their quest for self-determination... did it either by negotiation or by force
or a mixture of both
and this includes the American Revolution from the British
fact is that in Eastern Ukraine rebels tried to do it by force. fact is that they look on the ropes. which is not an improvement on their situation, yet it's imo not a reason for further, external escalation
the rebels tried force. now imo it's time for stopping this war, and negotiate. with Russia at the table
you dont get it!
the USA, IMF want the region cleared out - ethnic cleansing is the objective - they want 7 million people out with no prior claims
the gas drilling and corporate farms will be divided free of charge
it was announced this week that the largest coal company in Greece - public entity - was sold for - ONE years earnings - one time multiple is a joke and the standard for what will happen everywhere
the people will be left with nothing - no assets, no job, no house and the leaders shot on the spot - isnt that obvious?
Sorry - can you provide a link to a reputable source demonstrating that Russia really is doing so ("aiding separatist groups")?
can you provide me a link to a reputable source on this matter? I can't
Yawn... The Finns, like many people in the Baltic States, Poland, and western Ukraine (i.e. Galicians), have a historic pre-USSR hatred of Russia that goes back many centuries, partly based on religion and partly based on ethnicity. As such, Finnland, the Baltic States, and the western Ukraine were allied with the Nazis during WW2. Hell, the Finns historic hatred of Russia is such that they even energetically participated with the Nazis in the ruthless Siege of Leningrad, where the city was blockaded for ~900 days and ~1/3 of the population was starved to death.
Due to the above, Finland, like the Baltic States and Poland, is simply not a country that has any serious cred WRG to objectively assessing anything having to do with Russia. I also personally know this because I have spent considerable time in Finland (as well as in Russia), where I've talked to many Finns and heard them spew their hatred for all things Russian.
When a non-USA puppet/ non-EU neutral third party (e.g. India, Brazil,. China, Argentina, Venezuela, Chile, etc.) says something about the Ukraine mess, I'll lend my ear, until then its all propaganda and noise.
I am curious.
Lets say that Russia quits arming the "rebels." What does Russia get in return?
Why don't we stop arming Ukraine. I mean, lets be honest, if we were to quit arming the Ukranian government, then the Rebels would win and there would be peace again. If peace is the only goal -- this is just as valid a request as having Russia quit arming the "rebels."
how about... Crimea? a territory that actually Russia gave away in various previous settlements it signed? note that Ukraine is a sovereign, as Russia itself stated in treaties. this makes the support of a sovereign in the fight against a rebellion a different thing from the support of the rebels
I'm not defending all the war hawks that are helping Kiev, mind. some of them are worthy of a war crimes tribunal. I'm just noting that Russia's continued support of the current situation does not look as helpful, or constructive, or sensible. my opinion on that is btw quite in line with your Germany: negotiation, now
Uhh... Russia didn't "give away" Crimea. That was the USSR and the guy who did it 1954 was Nikita Kruschev, who happened to claim Ukrainian heritage.
1991, for example?
Ghordius:
Enough. You are way off base about Crimea.
It is settled international law - to the extent that the western powers respect anything coming from the International Court of Justice - that in the case of Kosovo, the people could divorce themselves from Serbia with a vote to do so.
If you apply the law consistently, then the Crimea vote to leave Ukraine is absolutely legal.
Of course the west is terrified that what they wanted for Kosovo might now be applied to the rest of the world; after all, what if states in the US cite the Kosovo vote and begin voting themselves out of the US?
Because the west is nothing more than a criminal gang of psychotic liars, what worked in Kosovo won't be applied to Crimea - or New Russia.
Sorry Ghordius, but you are bedding with the weastern psychos on this one . . .
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your view of "international law" is interesting, but is it... reality? we don't have an international law enforcement that is not partisan. and so we don't have a consistent application of international law
in fact, I guess the biggest problem with international law is the very way it's called. as you note yourself, if Kosovo is "true"... ouch
I find it very interesting how my call for immediate negotiations has been seen in this thread. looks like I stamped on a lot of feet with that
I see a failed rebellion. and huge masses of refugees streaming out of the embattled cities. and I don't see the reason for further escalation, and many reasons against it
and this leads me to ask for negotiation, as Finland does
Good point.
However, I think we both can agree the government in Ukraine was formed via a foreign funded coup. We also know that the EU and the US supplied the MAiden protestors with funds, and political support. While its a different beast than shipping in boxes of AKs, surly you can see the double ideological standard the West has been applying to this situation.
It seems to me, that the Russian side of this argument is more ideologically pure than ours (The West'S) is. Wouldn't you agree?
+1
Don't call me "Surly."
"It seems to me, that the Russian side of this argument is more ideologically pure than ours"
I would state it differently: "Russia currently has the moral high ground". At least among Europeans (ok, not the NE sector). Though the Russian rebels in Ukraine are at the ropes
which is the perfect moment for negotiations. not to be squandered with squabbles about humanitarian aid which can be construed as attempts to further complicate matters
Fair enough. The West is attempting to mitigate the Russian high ground by taking ideological inconsistent positions. I can agree with this.
The Russian rebels are on the ropes. Completely agree. I would say if things keep up and keep going the way they are -- they won't be around in 6 months.
So where does this leave Putin? Should he sit back, and let his supports get slaughtered? Should he give Ukraine nat gas independence (via shale under Donetsk)? SHould he squandor his political capital gained in Russia over the past few months?
Put yourself in Putin's shoes. What would you do?
All we can do is speculate. What I cannot imagine is him just handing over Ukraine to the West without putting up more of a fight.
Then again, its been said that Adolf's final days were spent in the bunker cursing the evil genius of Chamberlin getting Germany into a war before she was ready. Perhaps Putin is at a similar point.
Chamberlain tried that negotiate with the Nazis thing before. I suspect any "peace" agreement that is signed by the Nazi junta will have about as much lasting effect.
Iraq was soverign - didnt stop Uncle Sam invading and destroying. Yugoslavia was a civil war - didnt stop NATO picking sides and bombing like crazy. The west ignores all International rules. We're back bombing in Irag to releive a humanitarian crisis, but if Russia sends blankets to its neighbours to relieve a humanitarian crisis we cry foul! The West are just the hypocites!
Only around 10-15% of the Finnish energy needs are met by Russian gas, which could easily be replaced by domestic energy (which pollutes much more and is thus discouraged). They've fought with the EU a couple times about this.
So when NATO rank and file troops show up and have been brainwashed into thinking they are going to get a heros welcome by the east Ukrainians they should be surprised when they get a face full of cow shit and lead by the locals???
Yes please do I export pellet stoves and Europe tires of Moscows energy hegemony.
The Germans run their industrial plants off of pellet stoves? I didn't know that.
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Ya-tse-niuk, your days are counted, you fucked up liar and murder of your own people.
Soon he'll hang by his feet, naked and dead
I wonder which is skinnier? His pencil neck, or spider-leg ankles? He should probably be hung by his pencil neck, so his pin head stops the slimy worm from slipping through the noose...
not 'his own' people - not to put too fine a point on it, but still...
Those Junta's. bleeeehhhh
who look bad now?
no matter how you slice it Putin win
Especially so when the EU lackeys need humanitarian aid after the tap is turned off.
Putin say: Nyet.
I don't even understand WTF you are writing about
"WTF"
These words do not sit well with the reputation you have built up so carefully on this site.
No need to stoop to the level of so many others on this forum, Ghordius. You are one of the more thoughtful and generous posters I encountered on zerohedge.
( and one of the very few posters writing from and defending a European perspective )
To me it is a bit baffling too that there is so much Putin support on zerohedge. Are there so many Russians on this site ? So many people with Russian roots ? Or is it a manifestation of deep frustration of Americans with their government and is this all an expression of a 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' syndrome ? A childish online rebelion for the sake of venting some anger, while in the real world they would never voice these views ?
I do not know.
Objectivly, its the "enemy of my enemy" mentality that has gotten the Libertarian base to be such fans of Russia.
Is Russia perfect? No, far from it. However, knowing that not a single Russian was invited to Bilderberg this past year makes me trust them infinitly more than my own government. Sad, huh?
What is "sad" is that you base your ( argument for ) trust on last year's Bilderberg invitation list.
You've been around here a while, and we haven't really met. But my argument against trusting the west and trusting Russia more is extensivly longer than just who was invited to Bilderberg.
That being said, I didn't feel like typing it all out, as I'll get 0897234892389723980 various responses, most of them patently retarded.
Well nice to meet you ( probably not going to score points with this one in Fight Club ).
I will go through some of your previous posts and try to build an image of it.
Enemy of my enemy is close enough but not precise. The US is arming everybody in a quest for a casus belli for war. Many, including myself, think it is in order to manifest a "great reset" to the economic order.
Egypt, Lybia, Syria, Ukraine or Iraq 4.0 makes no difference. Putin seems to be the only one capable of stopping it. China has the economic muscle but seems to lack the creativity and political spine to take the lead. The same goes for the other BRICS.
Wonder why so many countries have fallen in so quickly behind Russia? They want it stopped to but need somebody else to take lead. I have read papers from S. am. And they are loving the opportunity to enter Russia as a new market. The world wants the US war fever stopped. What you see here is the individual desire for the same.
+42. Very well framed, and spot on.
blast me if I know for sure. and I, too, have a childish side that surfaces in the anonymity of this blog. I think it's a mixture of all the above, including "Haus"'s view
remember that for all that I do support Russian care for it's diaspora, the Kremlin does suppress media and free speech, and does employ a small army of trolls. it's not the only one, all part of the new Cyber Wars
too kind of you, and is that - lol - a barb? "the reputation you have built up so carefully on this site". it could easily be misconstrued as "aren't you so obviously trying hard"? ;-)
what you both have not mentioned: US (and other) conservatives: some few of them pray for The End of the World, or WW3. Some few of them are also supportive of Zionism for the very same End of Times reasons. Others are permabulls, or wishing for The End of Fiat, whatever the costs. Others are classic nihilists. And then you have youthful request for resolution - as I suspect for "Haus-Targ..."
it has always been a very varied site, ZH. if there is something that has no value whatsoever, here, it's the like/dislike system. I ignore it, except for fun value
I would love to be a Russian troll. Likely easier than prostitution.
Putin, send me a PM, lets work something out.
He never anwers my e-mails, so I wouldn't hold my breath. There are probably so many American fan letters that he just can't get to all of them.
You are obviously trying hard to be thoughtful and generous AND succeeding, so thank you for that !
I have to admit that I wonder at times whether you work for the EU commission ( only one of the possibilities I keep in the back of my head, so no offense, and yes I am paranoid ).
I served in the military and supported Nato against the USSR. But now the western govts have become aggressors and expansionist liars. I supported (and fought in) the 1st Gulf war after Kuwait was invaded. But the lies told of fantasy WMD (that we in the military knew didnt exist) to start Gulf war 2 were too much. Now we have the West lying to support the KIev junta that shot down MH17 (remember that -propaganda over so they want the story to go quiet least the truth come out). Russia retreated back to its own borders after the end of the Cold Way, but Nato expanded from 16 to 26 members and has been subverted to an expansionary aggressiveness. I once believed in the West, now Im fed up with them lying to me and starting wars - that simple.
While Ukraine continues killing its own people they blame it all on Rssua and Putin. What is happening in Ukraine and the unrest in many areas in the world brings into focus the many conflicts that develop when a region decides to change governments often outside the recognized democratic system of voting.
Unfortunately the American civil war did not resolve the issue of succession forever and definitely was not a template for a solution that should be used in countries across the planet. Bottom-line many in politics are slow to give up control and this will not change. More on this subject in the article below
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-issue-of-sovereign-borders.html
Bullish!
(If not, then send a tweet!)
Kiev wants separatists to surrender and the tactics is to take separatists down by hunger
Russian humanitarian aid would disrupt these plans
Unintended consequence: more individuel Russians take up arms.
...well, they are using the CIA playbook....4th down at the 5 in overtime screaming "off sides!" at Russia....
Guess they should have listened to Alex Jonestown about the tactics of his ghostly "globalists" and ordered some food, huh?
Seems like it would be simpler to focus on who, exactly, the "globalists" are. But people can't do that. Not even Jonestown.
I find it hard to believe the European Leaders state of mind. To want to go to war to support a pack of corrupt Fascists in Ukraine defies logic.
The situation in Europe now is exactly the same as the situation between Germany and the Poles before WW2
How far is the Kiev Junta prepared to go. They have 250,000 people trapped without food or water
Russia won't stand by and do nothing. From the Ukraine to Japan Its a case of leader insanity
Cui bono ?
Quick - find someone in Donetsk that can claim to be a Yazidi so Obama can call in US air power against Ukraine and send in Marines to rescue them!
Some ethnically cleansed minorities are more worthy of rescue than others!
That is going to be priceless! Given current events in Syria/Iraq/Iran, this is no longer out of the question. Anyone want to take a long shot bet on some turn of events that has the US arming the East Ukranian Russians against some future boogeyman we once upon a time gave funding to? It makes as much sense as anything else the US has done in the past ten years.
I recall how Ukrainians were using UN painted helicopters for some of their military actions. Nothing would stop them from re-painting their trucks with any other symbols (such as Red Cross) and steal all these goods.
The Ukrainian authorities will just steal the Russian Aide. It will never reach Donetsk.
Exactly! Then Yatzen-yeechhh will tweet how tasty Russian MREs are....then again, taht pencil neck looks like he could use a few MREs...it might help oxygen get to the little bee buzing around in his pin head.
If you look very closely you can tell Yats is an android. Lifeless eyes , no facial expression. No real humanity or understanding of the sentences he is speaking
That particular model has limited vocabulary "kill Russians" "cut gas" "bomb Moscow". They did have a later model that said "peace" "trade" "bilateral" but Mrs Nuland didn't find that one suited requirements.
Its intended to recycle The Yats model on the recommended use by date which won't be far away
If you look very closely you can tell Yats is an android. Lifeless eyes , no facial expression. No real humanity or understanding of the sentences he is speaking
That particular model has limited vocabulary "kill Russians" "cut gas" "bomb Moscow". They did have a later model that said "peace" "trade" "bilateral" but Mrs Nuland didn't find that one suited requirements.
Its intended to recycle The Yats model on the recommended use by date which won't be far away
Not only would they steal the aid (remember ukraine is THE most corrupt country in europe) but given any chance they would plant something incriminating such as a few machine guns.
how you say 10-4 good buddy in Russian?
These things provides MSM talking points and sound bites. Nothing really serious is happening or has happened. You nor I cannot change anything that is going on, so why worry or concern yourself about it.
I'll bet anyone here 1oz of gold that in 6 months you won't even hear about this Ukraine stuff anymore.
Do we hear about the plane that disappeared with 300 people on board anymore?...
Nope.
You simple cannot trust anything that come out of the MSM. Most of it is bullshit.
Duh.
Do you still listen to Alex Jonestown? More entertainment.
The vote system does not work for this comment, one cannot either up vote nor down vote, any particular reason for this ?
This is not the only comment for which this applies.
A bug causes this on any comment that begins with italics. I'm not certain (forgot to check after trying this) but I believe making just the first letter or first word non-italic overrides this.
"These things provides MSM talking points and sound bites. Nothing really serious is happening or has happened. You nor I cannot change anything that is going on, so why worry or concern yourself about it."
Really?
"The real stakes of this drama are much bigger than Ukraine or Syria and these are not random and isolated events. We are witnessing the final stages of a geopolitical chess game that is designed to end in war. But in order to succeed they need to convince you, the public, that they didn't see this coming. They need you to believe that the other side was the aggressor. They are counting on you not paying attention to the fact that Obama signed an order targeting Russia with sanctions this past week and revoking the visas of a number of Russian diplomats. They are counting on you not noticing that Russia had warned that such a move would result in Russia dropping the dollar and encouraging others to do so as well. They're counting on you being too naive to realize that economic warfare invites physical warfare. They think you're too stupid to connect the dots."
The Ukraine Crisis - What You're Not Being ToldObozo and the rest of the western puppet brigade need sheeple - we need to wake them up - before these 'tards go full throttle.
Can we stop calling the illegally installed western puppet the prime minister? By doing so it gives him credibility and helps to bury the fact that he was given the position through a western backed coup.
Here, here!
This is so WW1 that it's not even funny anymore. 50 years from now, kids in class rooms will be asking why everyone refused to back down.
Let's hope we make it another 50 years!
why would be this world needs a war due to all the debt that the politicians worldwide have got us all into. it's really simple maybe to simple No work no eats. when your born no guarantee of anything. and when over 50 percent of Americans are taking and the makers like myself are tired of giving well this is what you get
why would be this world needs a war due to all the debt that the politicians worldwide have got us all into. it's really simple maybe to simple No work no eats. when your born no guarantee of anything. and when over 50 percent of Americans are taking and the makers like myself are tired of giving well this is what you get
why would be this debt a "real" thing...? Do makers read much? I'm a maker (Union Capenter)...and MBA from Haas....it amazing how much an open mind can accomplish...when you wear your hardhat, that is...see a neurologist for the grammer....
I really can't say I blame Ukraine. they are trying to keep and get there country back in order and if Russia is the root of there problems then They should not be permitted entrance in. leave the supplies at the border and Ukraine can give it out to whine they choose. nobody talks about Aleppo serge and the people starving in Syria. a blueprint in America would have been why the south didnt succeed is no food or water in Vicksburg Ms again just a thought based on limited info I am fed by our Media..
can you prove that this goods delivered to their destinations with ukraine help? no? i think so too..
Ship it sign for receipt ?
If Kiev Junta puts their hands on the convoy, everything will be delivered to their malnourished troops in Donbas and Kolomoyskyi's mercenary "Einsatzgruppen", not to the starving civilian population. Ukraine is the most corrupt country in Europe, more corrupt than Albania.
They are trying to steal the aid and trying to get IMF money.
They are desperate.
and I was thinking they were slimy, murdering assholes....DOH!
Wouldn't you evict a deadbeat who won't pay their bills?
Yeah, yeah, only in the USSA.
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Member for 5 weeks. An obvious troll.
Did someone disagree with your point of view AGAIN? You should go tell Mom...
Gotta agree with that. Two parties at war. Why should one allow another to come feed and aid its troops?
Arguably, the aid is not for the seppos fighting but the innocent civilians who are being bombed and slaughtered by the West's puppet Kiev fascist government. Of course we know that is a war crime, but I guess it can be added to the growing list of other war crimes being carried out by, or for, Washington and its obedient muppets in Europe.
The separatists are those very "civilians".
"...if Russia is the root of there problems..." russia is not the root of their problems, the root is the fact the country is totally corrupt and everything worth anything is owned by a bunch of mafia oligarchs. Do you think those friendly oligarchs who call for russians to be killed (julia tymoshenko - kill them all with nukes) really built up their businesses honestly?? If so they've probably got several bridges to sell you.
The original protests were because of corruption and had widespread support from all the people. The US has spent billions trying to foment trouble under the guise of USAID, democracy blah blah in order to draw ukraine away from russia and weaken russia which is seen as a block to the US's continued hegemony. The US was not remotely concerned about corruption until they decided the commercial deal with russia instead of europe was best for ukraine. The ukrainian people had been falsely sold on the idea of joining the EU and geting more free shit plus travel and work rights across the EU so were upset.
Now the US was upset so encouraged the right sector to riot and they ended up shooting their own people plus police, we have seen snipers used like this before. Russia doesn't want/need to have ownership of a bankrupt corrupt country, they just don't want any more US bases and missiles on their border. Ukraine is nearer to moscow then cuba is to washington and missiles in cuba were a big no no.
Avakov: "...let these 30 tons of salt that putin conveys in the "humanitarian aid" scatter himself on ..."
I have a solution to the lack of natural gas - MDMA. It's a drug that dramatically increases body temperature.
It's pretty obvious that the US handlers want to provoke Putin into actually 'invading'. Stopping the convoy is supposed to force Putin to invade. Meanwhile, Putin keeps his cool and keeps finding ways to embarrass the West.
"Meanwhile, Putin keeps his cool and keeps finding ways to embarrass the West."
Fine, but meanwhile he's losing the battle for East Ukraine. He and Russia are in serious danger. Once Lugansk and Donetsk fall, NATO will be all over Ukraine.
A MUST READ
The Russian appeal to Germanyhttp://homment.com/EYe7egShwn
Thanks very much for that. I assume it is a genuine article frm the named author. A brilliant insight to the current thinking of Russians maybe.
He only made one error in it:
"...the famous American stateswoman Ms. Victoria Nuland"
Nuland is no stateswoman, she's a piece of that stuff the author mentioned earlier: "dog shit".
I think the writer was either being snarky or meant "infamous" instead of "famous". English is not his first language
quite possibly.
Infamous might work.
perhaps, but it's full of propagandistic items of doubtful value. just picking in the article:
"It turns out that Russians are yet again “Untermensch”, who can be savaged with impunity on the pages of the German press and punitive sanctions demanded from the rostrum of the Bundestag, while disallowing an opportunity for Russia to openly and equitably argue its case. (...) and it suits Germany because Russians are “Untermensch”, because Russians are Jews whose blood for Germans is worth nothing. And what’s more, for trying to defend themselves, for attempting to return fire against the Ukrainian armed forces, Russians should be punished, publicly harassed, their will to resist broken, and then forced into an international Russian ghetto."
Well, we are taught that only the jews were untermensch under Hitler. But the Nazis generally saw all their obstacles to empire in the same way, especially Russians.
But anyway, the author provided a superb insight to current Russian thinking.
If Mutti doesn't like getting it in the cheeseburger, she knows exactly what to do: not to participate in sanctions and tell Obwana to get lost. Right now, Germany has a superb opportunity of creating a new friendly relationship with Russia. I hope Mutti knows what's best for Germany and Europe. For sure, Brussels doesn't.
http://homment.com/EYe7egShwn
Great piece, thanks for that.
Odds are good these trucks are full of water, food medicine, etc. . The weapons probably cross in the dead of night across the border far from any check point. This is a trap designed by Putin to show the world how cold, heartless and murderess the American installed government really is, and they foolishly fell for it.
The leadership of the Ukraine is corrupt......It is all about money.....and that it goes to the Elite.....Bankers whom he is one.....a Warmongers and the American military are the Dupes
the bbc chatham house position seems to be putin is not an honest actor and the trucks may be a trojan horse.
missile systems mixed in with food and medicines.
it seems fine for israel,usa and the uk to move forward with the 3 part break up of iraq and using isis and the kurds as the shock troops on the ground to help dismember.military intervention based on takeover of iraqs oil via kurdish theft.
putin needs to protect his people in ukraine and stop pussy footing around.
he calls the west his partners some of these zionists want him dead.
everything the us and the uk do around the world for so called humanity means takeover and military intervention.
putin needs adopt the ideas of the united services institute and chatham house and use these rotten rabbinical zionist strategies against the russian federations enemies
putin should not allow yats the yid and israel to prevail the trucks must not stop.
the nazi yids of kiev must fall
Spot fucking on tony boy, + 1000 uv's
I rather like that idea...well said, man, well said!
I was told by a Russian jew that 80 percent of Russian oligarchs are jewish ( if I remember correctly; correct me if I am wrong ).
1/3 of the population of Israel speaks Russian.
Now how does the above rhyme with what you wrote ? Lots of cognitive dissonance here.
"I'll bet anyone here 1oz of gold that in 6 months you won't even hear about this Ukraine stuff anymore."
I hope you are right Grinandbearit, Rex Tillerson and the board over at Exxon are saying the same thing, essentially, by their decision to honor their contract with Rosneft.
There is a lot of emotionalism here, I would imagine the the senior management of Exxon make their decisions based on rational thought not the ' ever changing' hysteria in vogue today!
(I pray the baby food reaches those it is intended for, and that the evil Nazis will again be thwarted in their Evil doings!) This is what makes a 'Happy' ending.
So the prophet Rex Tillerson has spoken. Exxon wants to honor its Artic contract. Well that settles it then. Thats what they said about the American civil war, ah its nothing be over in 6 months.,,,,,,,,,,,,,5 bloody years later....................
I'll take your 1oz ag gold bet. Where do you want the escrow account set up?
SARC/
Cowdiddley, the bet is of course, 'Symbolic'. Perhaps the new Nazis are 'Good' I've been conditioned to hate and fear Nazis, still, ,,if they are 'OK' now, just say so on CNN and I'll happily change my mind.
(Yes, Rex Tillerson is a "Prophet" of Capitalism, God Bless his name, He, and I, want to make money unencombered by ideology, or perhaps he just doesn't like Nazis? No one liked the 'Old' Nazis, but this new iteration seems to have some swell friends, we would all be better off if more would learn to believe in King 'Rex'.
Best fucking show ever. Pass the popcorn.
You do realize the implications of syndication though...
That red flag on the first truck - normally means explosives. lol
If it was Colombia and the Venzuela border...the Commies would steal it all and resell it....but I bet there are some guns hiden in that flour somewhere....I would inspect it all....then just take it....cheap cost..goes straight to the bottom line.....take some home..the wifey would like it...
Yea, I lost my mind on the columbia venzuelaian border a few years back too, welcome to the club.
Careful! Eric Holder might have put tracking devices on those guns.
Might get a more friendly reception here: http://www.panoramio.com/photo/57458795
Offload the stuff in the neutral zone, beween border posts, and let the Ukrainians help themselves to it.
Should've been let the East Ukrainians help themselves to it
All the cynicism in the world. Don't people know it's better to be hopey?
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Oops. Too late.