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Putin Punks West (Again): Russian Troops Enter Ukraine, Guardian Reports
As Russia's 300-strong 'humanitarian' convoy of white trucks slithered towards the Ukraine border, it appears, according to The Guardian, that, in spite of the market's exuberance at this morning's comments of "avoiding conflict," Vladimir Putin sent a real 'green' military Russian convoy across the Ukraine border late Thursday evening.
So @RolandOliphant and I just saw a column of APCs and vehicles with official Russian military plates cross border into Ukraine.
— Shaun Walker (@shaunwalker7) August 14, 2014
.@shaunwalker7 and I just witnessed a not insubstantial column of APCs and trucks slipping across the border into Ukraine.
— Roland Oliphant (@RolandOliphant) August 14, 2014
Didn't even turn off their headlights. Saw Russian military plates on support vehicles, but no markings I could make out on APCs.
— Roland Oliphant (@RolandOliphant) August 14, 2014
While the white trucks came to a halt well short of Ukraine's border, a different Russian convoy did cross into Ukrainian territory late on Thursday evening.
The Guardian saw a column of 23 armoured personnel carriers, supported by fuel trucks and other logistics vehicles with official Russian military plates, travelling towards the border near the Russian town of Donetsk.
After pausing by the side of the road until nightfall, the convoy crossed into Ukrainian territory, using a rough dirt track and clearly crossing through a gap in a barbed wire fence that demarcates the border. Armed men were visible in the gloom by the border fence as the column moved into Ukraine.
Kiev has lost control of its side of the border in this area.
The trucks are unlikely to represent a full-scale official Russian invasion, and it was unclear how far they planned to travel inside Ukrainian territory and how long they would stay. But it was incontrovertible evidence of what Ukraine has long claimed – that Russian troops are active inside its borders.
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The armoured column seen by the Guardian appeared to be further evidence of Russia's incursions, which the Kremlin has repeatedly denied.
A column of armoured vehicles and military trucks crossed the border from Russia into Ukraine on Thursday night, in the first confirmed sighting of such an incident by Western journalists.
The Telegraph witnessed a column of vehicles including both armoured personal carriers and soft-skinned lorries crossing into Ukraine at an obscure border crossing near the Russian town of Donetsk shortly before 10pm local time.
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We assume this means Stocks will give back all their gains? lol...
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Of course, we suspect if one were to ask Putin, this is merely an entry into an independent sovereign republic... not Ukraine per se... although we are sure he knows full well how the West will interpret this action.
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will be de-escalated before the US market open...Buy any dip
Even for a news freak like me, I feel overwhelmed. Who the hell knows what to believe anymore?
Me too LL, me too. They are fucking nuts.
Putin for prez.
Last man standing against the NWO.
There are no good guys, bro.
Thank God that's not true.
Among the big powers, it is true.
The good guys 'R Us
Who's "us" kingmosabe? you pick first the "good" guys...just saw above "there are no good guys" ..yup...out of chaos comes order....let no good crisis go to waste....Moar War
Stocks aren't gaining. The dollar is falling harder.
And if you think Obama is a good guy, you need to check your meds. Putin is not a good guy, he is simply a Russian.
MUST Get In Before U$$A ...
And... More Putin T-SHIRT Material ...
Oh, for f sakes.,.
Get a clue.. it’s Vlad or the Nazis’s.
It's about time, took them long enough, I guess nobody is as fast as the USA/NATO when in comes to putting people on the ground like they did in kosovo and iraq etc. At least unlike the USA the russians are not bombing the civilians in Ukraine like the USA did in Serbia and Iraq etc.
Its also a warning to Kiev, you dont turn off Russian gas unless they say so. Also someone posted a map a few months back that showed key gas valve control centers with junctions to other pipelines are located in Donbass region.
With these junctions under control Putin can make sure East Ukraine gets its gas from Russia unobstructed, while he can turn off the gas to West Ukraine and Kiev.
Got gas?
BTW, The Guardian is totally compromised on this topic. All anti- Putin all the time. Hmmm, who owns The Guardian?
PFP? AYFKM?
War to support the perpetual growth paradigm.
Gail Tverberg: Energy and the Economy – Twelve Basic Principleshttp://www.planbeconomics.com/2014/08/gail-tverberg-energy-and-the-econo...
1. Look at that pathetic photo. ONE TRUCK DOES NOT A "COLUMN" MAKE. AND WHERE WAS THAT PICTURE TAKEN? HOW OLD IS IT?
2. Guardian is a tabloid, hardly better than Weekly World News. Next will come reports of the fabled Bat Boy roaming Donbass dressed in Russian uniform.
3. Even if we suppose there *are* 23 trucks, that means maybe 50-100 soldiers max. You don't mount an offensive with 100 men, Heck, Americans can't even give "advice" in Iraq with anything less than 650 stockings on the ground, and then only after ten years and three trillion dollars. About the only things these guys might be doing is delivering supplies, scouting, and seeing how locals respond to their appearance.
gh0atrider has his money on his bits and bits on his mind.
http://btc-e.com
The perpetual growth illusion. Nothing in nature grows perpetually. It grows; then rests.
Growth Period: 1911-1929
Rest Period: 1929-1947
Growth Period: 1947-1965
Rest Period: 1965-1983
Growth Period: 1983-2001
Rest Period: 2001-2019
We are being governed by people believing in the perpetual growth delusion. Their fear, of course, is that if they don't continue feeding the black hole of (2001-2019) deflation they will be thrown out. Everyone wants a party that will last forever.
When the middle principle is lost in the society, the middle class, democracy, the world boils down to the two principles fighting for life: NAZIS VS. COMMUNALISTS; RICH VS POOR. It will be the same in the US. Of course, in the US, the Nazis always win -- that is the American Dream, that those favored by God will be filthy rich and everyone else will be filthy poor.
This is not a rest period. This is terminal decline.
Putin is an absolute punk. I have no idea why people romanticize this thug. Bitchez.
I do. He's an asshole by some measures, but he's more upstanding than the sick fucks we have running things over here. While we here at ZH are already out of the red-blue box, we're still inside another.
You assume too much oh brilliant, pontificating one.
I could leave it at that, but I won't in case you may be genuine. So I'm going to tell you a story, that by way of analogy can give you a different perspective on things.
lts about this place
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/03/20/famed-crusader-castle-crac-des-c...
Not now, but back in ... let me check,
1260, the Crusaders are generally loosing ground to The Marmaluke slave army out of Egypt. Relatively new on the scene are the Mongols who really know how to kick ass and everyone knows it by now. What holds the Mongols back is that they are often fighting among themselves, but now they have that worked out and heading south. In the middle are the Crusaders. What are thet going to do? The Crusader castles control the passes their enemy the Marmalukes need to pass through to have at it with their enemy, the sworn enemy of everyone who would not submit, the Mongol horde. The Crusaders were happy to see their enemies fight and so let the Marmalukes pass. Chew on that for a little bit and see that you are thinking with blinders on for some reason. I hope its not the rally round the banksters because they're our banksters reason.
Please spell it out for the dumb among us. Looking at those photos, my thought is that we appear to have learned nothing from the machinations of past psychopaths.
My enemy's enemy is my friend. Thus, the long on-off history of the westsponsoring Al Qaeda (for example), and fighting it. One day we need or can use you, the next it's diametric opposition (leaving aside any false flag or useful idiot issues). Also, the Mongols weren't exactly peoople you wanted around, and similarly current experiments in fomenting uprisings and sponsoring terrorists/freedom fighters have demonstrated full boomerang capability.
Lore - To me it is immaterial for the most part what Putin's character and motives are all about. Go fight those bastards who are oppressing me and mine. Like the knights in Craq de Chevalier banging there sheilds and cheering on the Marmalukes as they rode past, I hope our common enemy gets a serious hiding. Which is what happened at the Battle of Ain Jalut. Then there's time to see what Vlad's about. Personally, I like Russians and supposing some wacky paranoid idea sometimes floated around here by the usual suspects they wind up ruling us, how could they be any worse than our current, warrmongering banksters?
What happened between the Crusaders and the victorious Marmalukes?[the 1st defeat for the Horde.] They had a 10 year truce and everybody got along great.
Maybe I could have just said its not a binary choice, ie.loving or hating Putin. Sorry about the confusion. Thanks for asking Lore.
While I'm rootin' for Putin on this one, you can ask the Ukes what it's like to be rule by the Russians, or just google Holodomor.
Please don't confuse the present Russia w/ the former Soviet Union. This is a confusion the controlled MSM is trying to propigate, so why play along?
Investigate who conducted the Holodomor. I understand it was not Russians calling the shots.
Much appreciated. I lack historical perspective and want to read more. Rgds
Politics is about who is the biggest and baddest but most heroic punk. Obama plays a very lost game with his lousy backward policies of blablabla democrazy and blablabla humanism. Mr. Self Pity is simply way behind in the modern world. Hedonism sucks on all levels. Putin? He is part of the modern world. Which is beyond the latest cell phones, facebook and wonderful military hardware. Morality and length of breath are what it is about. That the lousy hedonistic Western countries lack. HUGELY. Russia knows it. India also btw. Iran also btw. China also btw. Turkey also btw. Saudi-Arabia also btw. Actually, who doesn't know it???
I think it might be because he is standing up to the Aemrican thugs in suits and ties. They are all thugs. Wall Street is the white mafia. The US military is the police force of Wall Street. Putin is the underdog in this scenario. People can see that he is playing chess with America from the underdog position.
Why should the entire world have to trade energy contracts in US dollars? Only one reason. Because America's banks and military are forcing them too.
Putin is a thug. They are all thugs, when you strip off the thin veneer.
Putin is a REAL man. Brutish, yes. But I respect him even if I don't respect all his views. And he works in his country's best interests (and his own at the same time) and is not trying to undermine his own country like oBOMBa. How anyone can respect Obama and keep his bumper sticker on their car at this juncture is beyond me. They'll be the first to die...of hunger or something worse...when the world's geopolitical and financial springs snap.
Pics or it didn't hapen.
pics with GPS, geolocation, cellphone triangulation, timestamped, glossnass, keyhole, russian, US and chinese spy satellite photos all showing the same thing... or it didn't happen.
No YouTube does NOT count.
Europe has alternate routes to obtain the gass, so this makes little difference.
Suspect Russia will explain its actions as the need to prevent Europe freezing to death in the dark come winter. Putin is protecting the EU from the UKR / USSA banderstanditos, the "FUCK THE EU" folks who have promoted this conflict to the tune of $5 billion FRNs so Biden's nephew gets cool biz cards.
Putin is only doing this so he can forcibly send in aid to keep the Russian civilians and terrorists in situ on Ukrainian soil He does not want them to come back to mother Russia or he will lose all claim to Eastern Ukraine
I expect he will also create horriffic 'false flag' attacks on these same Russians blaming Ukrainian 'Nazis' to get the ever gullible Western media on his side for when he eventually masses enough of his forces on the border to retake the Ukraine
If Irving Berlin were alive today he might've penned......
Putin On the Blitz
"Putin on the Ritz" Sparrow Hill Mockba 2012 (Russia)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNXd3wX_USc
That brought me back. Wish things were peachy like that.
Strange to see so many young people of average build dressed in conventional clothing. (I visited Wal-Mart today. The strangest exhibit was a guy with bat tattoos on his scalp and a raccoon tail.)
Only if he was living in Berlin, Irving.
Putin could have overrun Ukraine months ago when he had far more troops in the region than he does today. Your theory is illogical.
Make no mistake follks, this unresolved tension in Ukraine benefits Putin more than anyone. He is hugely popular at home for standing up to the bankers. He has Germany and France teetering. There are no "leaders" out there compared to him right now.
I wonder why there weren't tanks and jets and helos if this is an attack and not a secure-the-ground for humanitarian aid operation.
Fair point. Russia might post an armed detail to keep watch from a distance in case psychopaths threaten the aid trucks.
I agree. Putin projects more as a leader than anyone else on the stage. Putin and Merkel. And these two are being drawn closer and closer. Europe is nothing without American support, militarily speaking. Europe knows that America can lose its will to support a war in Europe. America wants to fight Russia on European soil. In 1983, Europe had turned on America. The pubic was marching by the hundreds of thousands against Reagan's plan to build Star Wars in Europe. Europeans did not want to be a chesspiece America moved against Russia. We are coming there now. Germany is shifting toward Russia; so is France. France is willing to fight Arabs in Africa, but not Russians in Europe. America will be completely isolated politically by 2019, except for maybe UK and Australia. Canada is getting tired of America's 'democrary tyranny'.
We overthrew a corrupt elected democracy in Ukraine and turned the country over to the Nazis there. Why is Russia feeling threatened. Russia remembers the 1930's.
We should remember that neither Russia nor China are communist any longer. They want to be corrupt capitalists, like the West. They like being rich and sloppy and shallow. The REAL conflict of the future is what is happening in Iraq, and Syria, and Lybia. Islam is rising; Christianity is falling. Vlad the Impaler is trying to point to the Islamic threat. And Washington is pointing back to the 1950's duality, Capitalist vs Communist. Why? Because the West no longer can see, has no vision of the future. We are looking back, because we can't look forward. It is dark in the West. It is a Night-Cycle. The destruction of matter and debt is the nature of Night-Cycles.
SO what are we learning from our "leaders"?
Threats, intimidation and violence are how you get things done.
Possession is nine points of the law.
Our "leaders" certainly aren't allowed to do anything we're not, since they get their power from us....so....
Vhat eeez zis law ting ju speak of? ;-)
Possession is 9/10s of the law.
sorry I hate incorrectly used maxims...
Nine-tens? What the fuck is that?
I think you mean 9/10ths (nine-tenths) of the law.
Fucking hate incorrectly used maxims...
Where is the golfer? Oh yeah dancing.
History just finished his image
posession + a gun = 10/10ths.
I got the pistol, so I get the pesos.
No, it is either 9/10 or nine tenths, not a combination of the two.
thank you. i like pedantry but i love correct pedantry.
Nine tenths of a bird in the hand is worth 1.8 in the bush.
While the FED steals money from America's taxpayers to load up the banks and Wall Street with as much free money as they can, before the lights go out.
One of the most shameful periods in American history. But there has been many such periods.
Still waiting for Jesus or someone to come clean house... else we'll have to do it ourselves. ;)
With all the turmoil, I think we will need super jesus. Good thing his favorite country is the good old US of A!
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Not any more, it's not. The Cheney regime threw him into Guantanamo ten years ago and he's been getting daily waterboardings ever since.
Upped, fyi.
He did not catch the sarcasm.
When the USA kills One Half Million Children in the 1990s it may have put the USA on the side of Hell.
When Jesus spoke about harming children he actually said that suicide would be a better option...or that it would have been better that you were aborted...than to harm a child.
ISIS has not done squat in comparison to what the USA has done. Then Madeline Albright, Secretary of State under Slick Willie, believes that their deaths were woirth it?
Well that is what atheism gets you as Ms. Albright does not believe in God.
And perhaps many here do not believe in God.
But you can be assured that there will be Hell to pay for those 500,000 Iraqi children's deaths.
Get ready for Hell on Earth.
"When Jesus spoke about harming children he actually said that suicide would be a better option"
I'm interested in this quote. What verse is that from?
Federalist Papers 5:19
For Jefferson said, sayeth he upon Christ the one homie, never shall ye harm the chillins, lest ye abandon all hope, ye who enter here.
At least that's what my New Jerusalem bible says.
With you, Tall Tom. These psychopaths have a LOT of blood on their hands. It boggles the mind.
yes, but we keeeled those children for their own good!
We were bringing democracy and freedom! USA! USA! USA!
If anyone else does it though, they only bring death and torture (things we never do!) USA! USA! USA!
he was speaking in a parable but your point is within context and is sound. America's karma is stored up for judgment.. to use biblical terminology..
with regard to the other side of that parable. there are grown-ass men who are 'spiritual children' and if you intentionally "offend them" its the same "weight" with regard to eternity.
context being, the rest of the verse which states "but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin" "who believe in me"
in the same context, there are about a dozen warnings given to false teachers in the rest of the new testamate.
Waiting for Jesus?
I thought was more profitable do it myself!
Trust in God, but row away from the rocks.
True. In my case... I became more successful and far more happy when I started trusting the Laws of Nature and laws of Human Nature.
If this mythical deity wants my trust and respect, he has to first show up and then EARN it, like everyone else. And he'd better have Tech and Energy levels that make the Enterprise look like a Roman chariot. Otherwise he's just another Ferengi, scamming simple, tribal humans.
Kirk, would you enjoy the companion of a Q level energy? :)
Captain, I caught your first show. You and Spock, it was great.
So, you are a science guy. You know that Newtonian / Cartesean "reality" doesn't hold up under Quantum Physics and that there is plenty going on around us all the time that we/ most of us, are not aware of. In fact, our five senses give us signals from a very small range of the available spectrum. In fact, our assessment of our surroundings is an abstract illusion that screens out most of what's going on.
So maybe you are getting amazing signals all the time and you don't even know it?
Another thing Quantum Physics tells us that the observer, [that be y.o.u.] is so important because the user is driving the show. Nothing happens until the observer makes an observation, collapsing the wave function is I think how Shroedinger puts it.
Jesus only comes when the Jesus Principle begins to appear in each of us, or in enough of us, to manifest the light. You know what they say: "Light is poinsonous to darkness." So, American ruling class -- watch out. Poison is coming your way.
"good guys are us"
Bs. you know what I learned in Argentina' you give any comon man power in a corrupt system he becomes corrupt. That goes for All of humanity.
Yep, and very few can get their head around that.
- giving scumbag obama the benefit of the doubt is sick and wrong !
the military equippment given to city of ferguson was done on his watch - he is militarizing the world
he has 15 months left where he can blow up the world
Try 27 months
Then Hillary or Jeb. Oh shit.
I can't BELIEVE the latest polls. After all that's happened. do the masses STILL have their heads up their collective backsides?
That's closer, but it's 29 months until mid-January 2017 when the next inauguration is scheduled.
You could not be more wrong.
Yes there are. We are all right here.
Camper van Beethoven said it best during Cold War I. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr6NcfKG8Tc
In other words: OCEANIA AND BIG BROTHER FOR WORLD RULER! Because you know Eastasia and Eurasia are the BAD GUYS. Always have been and always will be.
It's all the fault of Emmanuel Goldstein.
I will not believe it until it is officially denied
Mark my words -- this shit is going to get out of control and we are going to by lucky to survive it.
The only hope I have given the situation is what is going on in Fergeson -- before I get red arrowed into oblivion -- hear me out.
We, the US, cannot pay for a major confrentation with Russia without printing it. However, if we were to start doing that -- and the velocity of money picks back up, just to its 100 yma we are going to find ourselves in a situation with 20% yoy inflation with a government that only afford to pay 1% @ 10 years. You'll have extreme poverty, loss of purchasing power, rationing, and there will be thousands of Fergesons all over the nation.
Perhaps its just better at this point to let the whole thing implode, split the US up into a few different smaller countries whos populations are more culturally similar and start over.
Agree on the last part, south Florida should definatly be SEPERATED and renamed . I propose Republic of MICOBRAY.
We have to fight over there because of our dysfunctional political environment over here.
We can say NO to fighting over there. Why send our young men and women to fight over there to protect Wall Street, when Wall Street is busy exporting decent jobs for young Americans overseas, and Wall Street is stealing money from our future hand over fist. What is ZIRP all about? It is about free money for Wall Street to repuchase its own stock, driving up the price -- on which their bonuses are based -- and making declining revenues look like growing earningns per share.
We need to punish the Wall Street-Washington coterie by saying NO. We won't fight the Russians to protect the new Plutocracy they have created. Raise interest rates; raise taxes on the 1% (including corporations hiding profits overseas); and cut military spending. That is saying NO.
News is happening so fast lately, I can't even keep up with it anymore. Probably for the best because NONE of it is good.
vulcanraven,
Your statement tells me that you're totally unprepared.
Get off your high and mighty annoying horse, would you? You don't know shit about him, neither do I. Nothing constructive in your remark.
MsCreant,
I was commenting about vulcanraven,
He wrote: “News is happening so fast lately, I can't even keep up with it anymore.”
The real news are months, and some, years away. It’s not time to get excited, yet.
So miss know it all, tell us all what is next.
Darn!
I was just about to ask you.
It is a bot, don't engage it that is what it wants, to disrupt any meaningful conversation.
AssFire
Did you bother to check l8apex previous comments?
Check it yourself. Then, come up with your own conclusion.
http://www.zerohedge.com/search/user_comments?name=l8apex
Let me show 18apex second longest post: “My gamble is on rental real estate but I'm doing what I can to minimize those risks - Over the long term I expect the price of rental housing to track inflation.”
You see the irony…. The hypocrisy?
18apex, is part of the problem. By collecting interest rates and/or rent, without producing iota.
How is that for “meaningful conversation?”
That's what investment capital does.
Dumb fuck.
Not everyone has to clean toilets to eat.
“Inability to face the truth about oneself is all too common a feature of the intellectual culture… Noam Chomsky
cunt
Assfire is correct, the bot did her work. This is pretty derailed.
+1,000
Cat fight !!!!!!!
As per your wisdom, I still have months or even YEARS to prepare.
Whew, what a relief... thanks for the heads up!
vulcanraven, fel.temp.reparatio,
After reading it the next day, it doesn’t get any more stupid on my side than this.
I should had written “overreacting to the news” instead of “totally unprepared.”
Accept my apologies, vulcanraven. Please, keep in mind that English is my second language.
Anyway, I don’t think the news are as fast, and as bad, yet, as it will be.
And here is my theory:
1) We will be entering the “Greatest Depression” ever. (2016/2017)
2) America will be facing the collapse of the dollar as the reserve currency. The world will do business with the US in dollars. But, dollar will be buying lot less.
3) As the Greatest Depression gets worse, the world won’t be able to bounce back, because there won’t be enough oil and natural gas. If you look at this link to the right and this link you will notice that US consumes about the same amount of oil as Asia (excluding Japan) and Oceania 2.5 billion people.
Then, if you add the US military, the oil picture looks really bleakly (link here).
4) And America empire/society is addicted to growth and consumption. To go back 2004 through 2007 growth, the US needs 21 million barrels a day of oil and another $42 trillion dollars of ‘Private Debt (link here, second line).
Hope that clarifies... Not that you both don’t know about these issues!
"...totally unprepared" for what exactly Escrava? Please do enlighten us...
Is this the response to the West moving troops to the Russian boarder? Or something else? As others have posted, there are no 'good guys.' Just alot of dudes with money, using the less stable individuals of their respective population to further their agendas.
Lets hope this doesn't get out of hand. Nothing good ever comes of it. Unless of course you are a banker. Or a politician (on the winning side).
Lets interrupt Obama's third vacation again as the world burns and ask him. "Look O'Barry, over there, Ukrainian squrriels!
What are you gonna do about it Mr. Community Organizer?"
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Whaaa! ROTFL!
Latina Lover,
You wrote: "I feel overwhelmed."
Take it easy... it's just a blog.
Shut up pls. Write if you have something to say, this is not a knitting circle.
I think Zero Hedge and the Tylers need to back away from the keyboards for a little while. These guys are posting every rumor that hear and making it sound like the entire world is on the verge of nuclear war. Give it a break already.
"... like the entire world is on the verge of nuclear war"
FFS you are a special kind of stupid aren't you.
Why read it then? I only read ZH articles that catch my interest. Freedom of choice?
Yes. However, it is also an interesting exercise to scan articles on ZH and other sources to check tone and content.
The comments that people make are also interesting. Sometimes it gives insight into how well Tavistock is or is not doing for want of a better measure. Just saying.
It is a bit embarrassing to have been concerned with the human problem all one's life and find at the end that one has no more to offer by way of advice than 'try to be a little kinder.'
Aldous Huxley
Yep. Best then to be as equally consumed with the "elite" problem as some are with the 'human' problem and offer advice about being a little more defensive and actively protective of Consitutional law and genuine Capitalism in all nations.
Appreciate the link and post, mrpxsytin.
I have little doubt that "The Guardian" observed APCs and trucks with Russian plates cross the border; however, just who those vehicles belonged to is not established.
The Kiev junta would certainly execute a fake "invasion" if they thought they could get away with it, deceiving even the best minds in investigative journalism
Yes, but it's a little tricky to fake the part where they invade FROM the Russian side.
Rather frightening to watch many people's cognitive powers on display, isn't it?
Even the simples are good at defending the 'truth'. Once a 'truth' is defined, all one must do is find supporting evidence. Evidence against the 'truth' is simply false, lies, propaganda, etc... Evidence for the truth need not be critcized, after all, it is backed up by other 'truthiness'.
Kirk -
invading from Russia.
From the article, they crossed a barbed wire fence. I have a barbed wire fence in the back 40. They could snap those pics anywhere. The Guardian reporter says so? So what? The Guardian also says Putin invaded Crimea and that he throws babies out of incubators.
Bottom line - Not hard to fake at all.
I have a lot of doubt that the Guardian observed anything. More like, they needed to prove their loyalty to the cabal after the Snowden case.
tvdog - leading with italics disables the ZH vote script on most browsers. Known flaw. So here's your upvote +1.
I keep as good a track as possible of the war in Donbass. But I am limited to sources that can post somewhere on the internet. I avoid all western media, as they are official spokespersons for the US State Department and the Kiev junta. I no longer read official Russian media, but do read a couple of Russian blogs that have direct links to the Donbass Self Defense Forces, and then social media can be useful. But lately the story has gotten very confused, as the best blogs admit.
This story sounds strange, very strange! I have read such stories only to see them retracted over and over again. But I will look to see what I can dig up on this event.
For the last few days the Kiev Amry has launched it's supposed final offensive to take Donetsk. By all accounts some progress has been made, but the scale of the offensive action is much smaller than anticipated just three days ago. Rebels seem to attribute this to degradation of Kiev's Army, a force that has lost some of it's punch, but none of it's size. It was expected that by today, the rebels would be in a desperate struggle inside Donetsk. This seems not to have happended.
If the Kiev offensive had achieved a break through of real importance, I might see this convoy of Russia as a desperate bid to get supplies to the rebels. But so far, no major defeats of the rebels have been reported.
This story is indeed strange. But if you look at battle field maps, you will see a very long border in the east and south east of Donbass that is rebels controlled, another check point was taken from Kiev just yesterday. The Kiev battalions in the encirclement there have now been eliminated and this has freed up many rebel troops to come to the aid of Donetsk. BUT, the rebel command has seen resignations and a real shake up at the very top. That too seems strange, given the commands great successes for months now.
Finally, some real news.
Latina, is that your real pic ? I seem to remember you saying it's not.
No, it's an actual picture of a colombian honey that I once met. Mucha hot girls in Colombia, especially in Cartagena. They will really rock your world.
american embecils use to be swallowing any westrn manufactured product
yeah this Guardian article is pretty vague.
more evidence needed before making claims like this.
Because a western reported pretends he saw, I need to believe now?
What are the chances, that our media is present where and if this happens?
>>>What are the chances, that our media is present where and if this happens?
So suspicious!
The Guardian was merely having its reporters, as per usual, out patrolling on the Russian border when they astutely spotted a military convoy - sporting Russian vehicle plates - crossing into Ukraine.
All in a day's work. Good job, boyz!
Ronald Oliphant is a journalist!!! Yet he did not think of taking video or at least one photo of those 35 APCs on the dirt road to prove his case, the first case ever a western journalist witnesses the apparition... Then 10 hours later he posots one taken on the 4-lane Russian highway in broad daylight with the white trucks the day before.
Totally believable!!! :)
Did he learn that from Psaki/Harf? Ukie-Russian border does not have the barbed wire, just like the one separating Canada from the US.
As Kiev lost control of the humanitarian aid convoy due to being unable to grant it passage or safety, they are trying to save face by this sensational piece.
As Russia's 300-strong 'humanitarian' convoy of white trucks slithered towards the Ukraine border,
Based on that opening line, it should be crystal clear who is behind this "story". I don't think I need to go into some antisemitic rant for ZHers' to get the point.
Something has to be done about that filth before they lead this planet into a nuclear war.
Please Lord Jesus, save us from the jew before they do to us what they did to you.
The Guardian saw a column?
Earlier, The Guardian saw that Putin himself to blame for the downed passenger Boeing.
The Guardian says the truth is not so often.
I can not more blindly believe biased publications The Guardian and Faux News.
Hope this doesn't interrupt Obama's evening plans. Not that he would change them or anything, but still it's a major buzzkill from golf and/or fundraising when the Russians keep doing just what they said they would. More scolding from POTUS might do the trick.
I wonder. If the nukes fly, is Martha's Vineyard more than 30 minutes away from AF1? Wouldn't want Barry caught with his pants down on the back nine.
Well, I guess it won't matter if Vlad has a few subs parked off Nantucket.
Not to worry, Bidens on vacation (again)...this time in the Hamptons.
They got this covered!
If Putin drops one on The Hamptons before Labor Day, at least that would settle the argument about who's side he's on.
Yes it would...lol.
But he still wouldn't be on "my side" ;-)
Treebeard? Is that you?
"Nice drive!"
False flag all but guaranteed.
Nato thanks you for your sacrifice Ukraine.
False flag requires a response, thus the need for the false flag. US and EURO won't do a thing about this, ala red lines and such.
It could just be Strelkov coming back from his pow-wow with Putin's guys.
Relentless101, False flag? By which side? Wouldn't be Russia.
From the reporter, he saw the group of vehicles on the road, the vehicles pulled over and stopped until nightfall and then went to an obscure location and passed through a fence. SO - the secret Russian operation allowed a reporter to follow them from a paved road, down an obscure dirt road and then allowed the reporter to watch them cross the border.
If Russian military allowed this to happen then it was not a menancing operation and certainly not intended to remain secret for long.
However, if this reporter is just a propaganda agent for the west his report may be troubling. Either it is just minor propoganda they feel safe putting out if they do not feel Russia can show it is a lie (hence the obscure location with no other witnesses) or they do not care that Russia can show it is a lie because they will act on it in some way soon.
Extremely unlikely this is a start of invasion. I cannot comprehend why Russia would ever want more of Ukraines land and have to obsorbe more of its people. This is more about Russia saving face and continuing with the bullshit that they only wish to protect russian speaking citizens. Therefore, which side becomes very easy, the west. I don't think the reporter has anything to do with it. I'm not sure how else they could transport that amount of aid without the use of military transport vehicles. And keeping the crossing quiet seems smart for all parties involved. However, of course the west is going to try and use the fact that they are "military" vehicles and the fact that they entered "obscurely" until the worlds eyes and ears bleed. If a single Ukrainian soldier is killed, things will begin to happen quickly.
I guess they want to up the ante of the west's idea of bringing in some kind of 'permanent force' and stationary hardware. Russia has seen our history. Once we go in and stain an area, we're very hard to get out.
>>>hence the obscure location with no other witnesses
Sez it all, really.
If you're going to do this sort of thing right (you know, like real Nazis), you have to leave a few bullet-riddled corpses around, dressed in appropriate uniforms.
Now that would be proof positive!
Hope this report is Accurate... How will the stock market respond????? LOL!!!!