Did Ukraine Attack Its Own Tanks? White House "Can't Confirm Russian Convoy Was Destroyed By Kiev"

Tyler Durden's picture

While today's trading session was marked by news which at first blush correlated with what may be the 2014 equivalent of the Archduke Ferdinand shooting, in retrospect the newsflow made painfully little sense. Let's recap:

  1. Yesterday afternoon, two UK reporters working for the Guardian and Telegraph, supposedly located by the border in east Ukraine, reported that they were "eyewitnesses" as a convoy of military trucks crossed the Russian border into the breakaway Donetsk republic, aka Ukraine. While there have been photos of the military trucks that have accompanied the Russian humantiarian convoy on Russian territory, there has so far been no proof, aside from said eyewitness reports, confirming Russian military vehicles entered or were in Ukraine.
  2. This morning Ukraine military’s spokesman, Andriy Lysenko, shocked the world when newswires reported that Ukraine forces had attacked an armed convoy from Russia, and "destroyed" a part of it. This was subsequently reiterated by the president of Ukraine himself who said that "the given information was trustworthy and confirmed because the majority of that machines had been eliminated by the Ukrainian artillery at night", and by the secretary-general of NATO, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, who said that the alliance had detected an “incursion” of vehicles from Russia last night, adding that “what we have seen last night is the continuation of what we have seen for some time." Alas, as in the case above, just more verbal reports, with zero actual evidence.
  3. Shortly thereafter, Russia responded when the Russian defense ministry said that there was no Russian military column that crossed into Eastern Ukraine, and that the above reports are based on "some fantasies."

This is where the breakdown of logic occurs, because for Russia to make such a formal statement it clearly implies that Russia believes there is no evidence of destruction of a Russian convoy in Ukraine territory, something which obviously would exist if indeed as Ukraine's president had claimed, the "majority of the machines had been eliminated."

If true, it also implies that either Ukraine had fabricated the entire story, and certainly the part about the destruction of the convoy and by extension that Russians had ever entered into East Ukraine. Furthermore, that would also suggest that the reports of the British reporters were also a fabrication.

Unless, of course, there is evidence, in which case the credibility of the both the Guardian and Telegraph reporters can be preserved, Ukraine can not be accused of fabricating a story to suit what some may say its own warmongering ambitions, and the onus is on Russia to explain why it lied about there being no invasion.

More to the point, the onus is on Ukraine to present some evidence, in fact any evidence, of a destroyed Russian military convoy instead of merely building upon a story conceived by the two UK media outlets, because if Ukraine indeed has no evidence, then its story falls apart and what's worse, the credibility and reputation of its government, of NATO and certainly of the UK press would be in tatters.

So what other possibility is there? Well, one that is all too unpalatable for Ukraine, namely that in its excitement to blow something up, it may have well destroyed some of its own military vehicles. A possible lead to such a turn of events comes from this Interfax report citing the leadership of the breakaway Donetsk People's Republic.

The leadership of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic has dismissed the Ukrainian government's statement on destroying a convoy of what appeared to be Russian armored vehicles in eastern Ukraine.

 

"We haven't received any armored vehicles from Russia. No Russian units, including Russian armored vehicles, have crossed the border. Hence, no Russian armored vehicles could have been destroyed," DPR First Deputy Prime Minister Andrei Purgin told Interfax on Friday evening.

 

Purgin claimed that, on the contrary, the militias destroyed about 100 Ukrainian armored vehicles.

 

"A lot of Ukrainian armored vehicles were destroyed today, 7 at one place, 12 at another. And the same all over the DPR territory. A total of about 100 of them," Purgin said.

The implication is clear: while 100 or so Ukraine armored vehicles may or may not have been destroyed, one wonders if indeed the Ukraine army was responsible in "aiding" the separatists with what would appear to be a friendly-fire incident?

But perhaps the most damning evidence comes from none other than the White House itself, which according to CNN just admitted that while it accuses Moscow of "incursions" it can't confirm the convoy was destroyed by Kiev.

Perhaps for the simplest reason that there is no evidence to help with the confirmation process?

Which is rather unpleasant, because as explained above, without confirmation of a destroyed convoy, the whole story falls apart as merely yet another unprecedented warmongering fabrication, one involving not only the Kiev regime, but NATO and the UK press as well!

What is worse, is that if indeed the specter arises that Ukraine is lying about an event that nearly gave the market a heart attack on the belief that a new international war involving Russia may be about to break out, was Ukraine also lying about flight MH-17. And else may the Kiev regime been lying about?

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stant's picture

Either way the market got punked

SoilMyselfRotten's picture

A Country would never lie and use it as a pre-text for war

813kml's picture

"We have met the enemy and he is us."

Bunghole's picture

Social media cant die quick enough for me.

FFS, the "media" has gone full retard.

Pawns on the chessboard.

knukles's picture

And how much do we spend a year for "intelligence"?

stant's picture

The real Skynet is called monster mind I think rob zombie works for the NSA/ cia

bunzbunzbunz's picture

Wasn't it obvious that the tanks without picutures were possibly make believe?

So then if they were make believe, you say you destroyed them. This is a quelled mini-invasion from Russia. That way when Russia actually invades with the "aid" convoy, there will be less public backlash when Ukraine blows the fuck out of it. "Well, you saw them invade 3 days ago...we blew those tanks up. Obviously the white trucks were military too. SO we blew them up."

Not that they necessarily want to destroy it without more intelligence on what they are doing, but they know it is a possibility. So they must politically prepare for it.

palmereldritch's picture

Simple mistake.  They thought that Malaysian Airways were now using tanks.

VATICANT's picture

Could they possibly get more desperate?

Elvis the Pelvis's picture

Alex Jones believes it's a false flag.  Just saying.  Bitchez.

bunzbunzbunz's picture

Why would I care what any one who makes money talking about stuff "believes"?

Anusocracy's picture

Did the tanks have MH-17 on their sides?

Patriot Eke's picture

According to the pro-resistance and pro-Russians in my circles, it certainly wasn't Russia's unit.  The media keeps using images of the humanitarian convoy too even though it is entirely separate.

espirit's picture

Ukrainian tanks got smoked?

Putin must have done it!

(just in from the Bizzaro News Network)

smlbizman's picture

completly off topic....steely fuckin dan rules.....never met napoleon but i plan to....

SilverFish's picture

I just saw them in concert tonight, actually.

 

Good show!

Save_America1st's picture

And, of course, the Kiev NWO puppet regiMe would never blow "sometHing" up and b1ame it on Russia.....would they7

;-)

SilverFish's picture

This has nothing to do with Steely Dan whatsoever.

Squid-puppets a-go-go's picture

just shootin the breeze, but

maybe the Ukiez accidentally destroyed the private army of that filthy rich zionist bloke whose force has reputedly been stirring up shit in the region. What a fukn irony if so. If so, serves the zionist right for playing footsie with neo goddamn nazi

 

ndotken's picture

And we're supposed to believe that the UK is going to give us an unbiased, unaltered, unedited transcript of the MH17 cockpit voice recorder?  Just how fucking stupid do they think we are?

aminorex's picture

Zerohedge is overrun with Putin's propaganda army.  Tyler "Moscow" Durden is probably a Russian.  New York is swarming with ex-KGB, mafiosos, oligarchs and their whores living on the blood of Russian people.

 

conscious being's picture

Weak sauce Mr. Disonformation Spin. These people you see in N.Y.! What a joke. Those would be the oligarch-kleptocrats that ran away with what they could carry when the new sherif, Vladomir Putin took over for the Russian people and chased these bastards out ... some of them. Some never made it across the border.

You're calling out the Zino-klepocrats of New York City and blaming their existance on Vlad? If there is a bigger fool than you in the world, I've yet to meet him. Your Zino-sponsor is being ripped off by the poor quality of your efforts. Try to come up with something that's not so stupid its boring. Thanks.

tonyw's picture

You know, the best thing the ukrainian military could do is to destroy those private thugs.

Unfortunately i doubt this will happen, some of them may get "misdirected" into fierce fighting though :-)

 

Thee Barbarous Relic's picture

In the 1870s a dildo was known as a Steely Dan, in the 1970s two dildos were known as Steely Dan!

McMolotov's picture

Everyone and his dog has a cell phone and camera nowadays. This should have been easily verified with photographic evidence the minute it was reported. The fact that there weren't pictures should have clued everyone into the fact that the entire story was likely bullshit. We have satellites in orbit constantly taking pictures of this region. Where's the proof? It's the fucking MH17 thing all over again.

There's just as much proof that fucking aliens came out of the sky and blew shit up as there is that Kiev destroyed some Russian invaders.

We have some truly incompetent twats running things in the West, and frankly, I'm embarrassed for their sake. Useless cunts can't even pull off a proper false flag anymore.

Lore's picture

The constant, brazen lies remind me of an alcoholic who lies, lies, lies, so many lies in fact that he loses track of which lies he has told to which people, and the point is reached when nobody around him believes a word he says anymore.  These psychopaths have already lost, but they are in denial, like alcoholics.  They are in trouble so deep that they lie to themselves. Brainwashed Ukies should experience their Moment of Clarity this winter. It's supposedly gonna be a cold one.

sushi's picture

Another analysis which looks at the position of the Buk launchers and concludes the only Buk within range belonged to the Ukraine armed forces:

 

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ca/2014/08/detailed-expert-analysis-of-mh17-downing.html

 

 

tonyw's picture

Not only do they have cellphones with cameras but the cellphones have GPS so an accurate location can easily be found and imprinted on the photos.

If real presstitute reporters don't have GPS located photos then I say it almost certainly didn't happen.

If we were being generous we could surmise they were misled by the lying junta.

Calmyourself's picture

Excellent, apply this logic to the flight recorders and that spanish air controller in Kiev..

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

Speaking of being embarrassed, Clancy must be spinning in his grave - given the epic stupidity and bumbling incompetence of the Bottom-Shelf Junta that's being funded and coached by the Bozos in Langley.

We'd have to laugh, if it weren't so tragic.

shovelhead's picture

Good point.

If Clancy were teaching a writing course and a student turned in a script with such cartoonish characters as appear in this story...

Fail.

But I'll bet Clancy would like the Putin character. The supposedly bad guy who ends up looking like the only good guy with the only believable part in the script.

Tarshatha's picture

"Everyone and his dog has a cell phone and camera nowadays"

 

The WH will be shortly releasing Youtube evedince.

logicalman's picture

I don't have a dog or a cellphone.

Does that make me nobody?

 

TheReplacement's picture

That makes you a perfect witness.  Get over there already.

frankly scarlet's picture

No cell phone for me either...I guess we both value our privacy such as it is, The dog part I live with as being more reliable than most (not all) of my own species.

Save_America1st's picture

yep...that's been my theory since they've been saying that Ukraine fighter jets coerced the jet into that airspace and down to a certain altitude and were even hiding behind the jets radar snap. 

A few things about it all.  How is it that nobody has any video of a bright white puffy smoke trail from that huge supposed Buk rocket that shot the jet down??? 

A trail from a big missile or rocket like that lasts for what???  10, 20, 30 minutes or more in the sky as it wafts away down-wind in a long trail, right? 

They saw the jet fall out of the sky on fire and smash into the ground after it was shot down, right?  And there were no pictures or videos taken of the smoke trail from that big fucking rocket???  That trail would have lingered in the sky for at least 20 to 30 minutes after that jet crashed to the ground.

Or....as I'm suspecting....a fighter jet shot the shit out of MH-17 with cannon fire and then blew it out of the sky with an air-to-air missile.  At 33,000 feet most people would not have seen that from the ground.  They wouldn't have hardly even known that a large passenger jet was up there let alone a tiny fighter jet and an even smaller air-to-air missile fired at it until it blew up in the air and fell out of the sky.

By then the fighter jet(s) would have peeled off and been long fucking gone. 

There were people all around on the ground as that jet fell out of the sky.  There has not been one photo or video showing the trail from the ground on up to the impact of the jet which would have come from a big-ass Buk missile.  Nothing.

I'm just not buying the story out of Ukraine/Kiev or the scumbag shit suckers in D.C. that Putin ordered or did this.  He had and has nothing to gain what-so-ever by doing something so sick.  He's been riding a higher world-wide rating for his actions than anyone else ever has.  He's been out-manuevering the NWO and their puppet, obamanation, at every turn since Syria.

Why in the fuck would he do something so stupid to change all that?

Or is it more likely...given the sociopath, psychopath, scum we all know we're dealing with in our own government and their psycho puppet masters...that due to Putin's popularity and success since Syria, that those fucking scumbags would pull a stunt like this and then get their state-run, propaganda, treasonous, media world-wide to all blame Putin at once and fabricate some fucked up story about it????

I don't trust any of them...and unfortunately, I trust the scum out of D.C. the least of all.  They're on the wrong side of everything anymore.  They're the cause of everything bad and wrong in the world and in America.  They are the terrorists of the world...they fund terrorism with our tax dollars and let the American people take the blame for their evil doings!  They're the evil who divides in order to conquer.  They're who try to creater order out of chaos.  They are who are doing everything they can to destroy whatever is left of our rights, freedom and liberty.

They are now the next in line in the history of this world who deserve this more than anyone else....it's the only way to save not just the United States of America....but the only way to save this world:

 

 

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The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

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Squid-puppets a-go-go's picture

ur right in your opening assertion that the lack of evidence of the BUK missile smoke trail is particularly damaging to the West's narrative

dogismycopilot's picture

For reference, here is what a BUK looks like launching....would be hard to miss!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDXScnEKaP0

 

americanspirit's picture

Thanks for that video dogismycopilot - pretty convincing smoke trail. And the explosion at intercept would EASILY have been seen even at 33,000 feet. I think it is more than clear that the US narrative is pure Bukshit.

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bunzbunzbunz's picture

Hush, You have nothing to say.

TheReplacement's picture

You mean like the Tylers and the other people from whom they post articles?  And yet, here you are.

bunzbunzbunz's picture

Didn't you know?

MH370, MH17.......M is the 13th number, H is the 8th....

3, 7, 0, 1, 7, 1, 3, 8....

3+7+0-1 = 9.... 7+1+3=11... OMG 9/11....

Malaysia was behind 9/11!@#!@#

Malaysia and Ruger working together. The facts are inescapable.

palmereldritch's picture

I did not know that*

(*voiced as a mid-70s Johnny Carson)

But I would like to know, Who is the Uke's glue sniffing Goebbels running that propaganda shit show?  Wow. Just embarrassing.

bunzbunzbunz's picture

Yes. Ukraine's propaganda is terrible. Russia hasn't had a good propaganda machine for a while. Putin is helping things out. Probably has something to do with the amount of money at each country's disposal though.