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Did Ukraine Attack Its Own Tanks? White House "Can't Confirm Russian Convoy Was Destroyed By Kiev"
While today's trading session was marked by news which at first blush correlated with what may be the 2014 equivalent of the Archduke Ferdinand shooting, in retrospect the newsflow made painfully little sense. Let's recap:
- Yesterday afternoon, two UK reporters working for the Guardian and Telegraph, supposedly located by the border in east Ukraine, reported that they were "eyewitnesses" as a convoy of military trucks crossed the Russian border into the breakaway Donetsk republic, aka Ukraine. While there have been photos of the military trucks that have accompanied the Russian humantiarian convoy on Russian territory, there has so far been no proof, aside from said eyewitness reports, confirming Russian military vehicles entered or were in Ukraine.
- This morning Ukraine military’s spokesman, Andriy Lysenko, shocked the world when newswires reported that Ukraine forces had attacked an armed convoy from Russia, and "destroyed" a part of it. This was subsequently reiterated by the president of Ukraine himself who said that "the given information was trustworthy and confirmed because the majority of that machines had been eliminated by the Ukrainian artillery at night", and by the secretary-general of NATO, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, who said that the alliance had detected an “incursion” of vehicles from Russia last night, adding that “what we have seen last night is the continuation of what we have seen for some time." Alas, as in the case above, just more verbal reports, with zero actual evidence.
- Shortly thereafter, Russia responded when the Russian defense ministry said that there was no Russian military column that crossed into Eastern Ukraine, and that the above reports are based on "some fantasies."
This is where the breakdown of logic occurs, because for Russia to make such a formal statement it clearly implies that Russia believes there is no evidence of destruction of a Russian convoy in Ukraine territory, something which obviously would exist if indeed as Ukraine's president had claimed, the "majority of the machines had been eliminated."
If true, it also implies that either Ukraine had fabricated the entire story, and certainly the part about the destruction of the convoy and by extension that Russians had ever entered into East Ukraine. Furthermore, that would also suggest that the reports of the British reporters were also a fabrication.
Unless, of course, there is evidence, in which case the credibility of the both the Guardian and Telegraph reporters can be preserved, Ukraine can not be accused of fabricating a story to suit what some may say its own warmongering ambitions, and the onus is on Russia to explain why it lied about there being no invasion.
More to the point, the onus is on Ukraine to present some evidence, in fact any evidence, of a destroyed Russian military convoy instead of merely building upon a story conceived by the two UK media outlets, because if Ukraine indeed has no evidence, then its story falls apart and what's worse, the credibility and reputation of its government, of NATO and certainly of the UK press would be in tatters.
So what other possibility is there? Well, one that is all too unpalatable for Ukraine, namely that in its excitement to blow something up, it may have well destroyed some of its own military vehicles. A possible lead to such a turn of events comes from this Interfax report citing the leadership of the breakaway Donetsk People's Republic.
The leadership of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic has dismissed the Ukrainian government's statement on destroying a convoy of what appeared to be Russian armored vehicles in eastern Ukraine.
"We haven't received any armored vehicles from Russia. No Russian units, including Russian armored vehicles, have crossed the border. Hence, no Russian armored vehicles could have been destroyed," DPR First Deputy Prime Minister Andrei Purgin told Interfax on Friday evening.
Purgin claimed that, on the contrary, the militias destroyed about 100 Ukrainian armored vehicles.
"A lot of Ukrainian armored vehicles were destroyed today, 7 at one place, 12 at another. And the same all over the DPR territory. A total of about 100 of them," Purgin said.
The implication is clear: while 100 or so Ukraine armored vehicles may or may not have been destroyed, one wonders if indeed the Ukraine army was responsible in "aiding" the separatists with what would appear to be a friendly-fire incident?
But perhaps the most damning evidence comes from none other than the White House itself, which according to CNN just admitted that while it accuses Moscow of "incursions" it can't confirm the convoy was destroyed by Kiev.
WH accuses Moscow of "repeated Russian & Russian-supported incursions" into #Ukraine tho says can't confirm convoy destroyed by Kiev
— Jim Sciutto (@jimsciutto) August 15, 2014
Perhaps for the simplest reason that there is no evidence to help with the confirmation process?
Which is rather unpleasant, because as explained above, without confirmation of a destroyed convoy, the whole story falls apart as merely yet another unprecedented warmongering fabrication, one involving not only the Kiev regime, but NATO and the UK press as well!
What is worse, is that if indeed the specter arises that Ukraine is lying about an event that nearly gave the market a heart attack on the belief that a new international war involving Russia may be about to break out, was Ukraine also lying about flight MH-17. And else may the Kiev regime been lying about?
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Either way the market got punked
A Country would never lie and use it as a pre-text for war
"We have met the enemy and he is us."
Social media cant die quick enough for me.
FFS, the "media" has gone full retard.
Pawns on the chessboard.
And how much do we spend a year for "intelligence"?
The real Skynet is called monster mind I think rob zombie works for the NSA/ cia
Wasn't it obvious that the tanks without picutures were possibly make believe?
So then if they were make believe, you say you destroyed them. This is a quelled mini-invasion from Russia. That way when Russia actually invades with the "aid" convoy, there will be less public backlash when Ukraine blows the fuck out of it. "Well, you saw them invade 3 days ago...we blew those tanks up. Obviously the white trucks were military too. SO we blew them up."
Not that they necessarily want to destroy it without more intelligence on what they are doing, but they know it is a possibility. So they must politically prepare for it.
Simple mistake. They thought that Malaysian Airways were now using tanks.
Could they possibly get more desperate?
Alex Jones believes it's a false flag. Just saying. Bitchez.
Why would I care what any one who makes money talking about stuff "believes"?
Did the tanks have MH-17 on their sides?
According to the pro-resistance and pro-Russians in my circles, it certainly wasn't Russia's unit. The media keeps using images of the humanitarian convoy too even though it is entirely separate.
Ukrainian tanks got smoked?
Putin must have done it!
(just in from the Bizzaro News Network)
completly off topic....steely fuckin dan rules.....never met napoleon but i plan to....
I just saw them in concert tonight, actually.
Good show!
And, of course, the Kiev NWO puppet regiMe would never blow "sometHing" up and b1ame it on Russia.....would they7
;-)
This has nothing to do with Steely Dan whatsoever.
just shootin the breeze, but
maybe the Ukiez accidentally destroyed the private army of that filthy rich zionist bloke whose force has reputedly been stirring up shit in the region. What a fukn irony if so. If so, serves the zionist right for playing footsie with neo goddamn nazi
Media Lies and The Propaganda War about Ukraine
And we're supposed to believe that the UK is going to give us an unbiased, unaltered, unedited transcript of the MH17 cockpit voice recorder? Just how fucking stupid do they think we are?
Propaganda: the U.S. ‘News’ Media Coverage of Ukraine’s Civil War
Zerohedge is overrun with Putin's propaganda army. Tyler "Moscow" Durden is probably a Russian. New York is swarming with ex-KGB, mafiosos, oligarchs and their whores living on the blood of Russian people.
Weak sauce Mr. Disonformation Spin. These people you see in N.Y.! What a joke. Those would be the oligarch-kleptocrats that ran away with what they could carry when the new sherif, Vladomir Putin took over for the Russian people and chased these bastards out ... some of them. Some never made it across the border.
You're calling out the Zino-klepocrats of New York City and blaming their existance on Vlad? If there is a bigger fool than you in the world, I've yet to meet him. Your Zino-sponsor is being ripped off by the poor quality of your efforts. Try to come up with something that's not so stupid its boring. Thanks.
You know, the best thing the ukrainian military could do is to destroy those private thugs.
Unfortunately i doubt this will happen, some of them may get "misdirected" into fierce fighting though :-)
In the 1870s a dildo was known as a Steely Dan, in the 1970s two dildos were known as Steely Dan!
Everyone and his dog has a cell phone and camera nowadays. This should have been easily verified with photographic evidence the minute it was reported. The fact that there weren't pictures should have clued everyone into the fact that the entire story was likely bullshit. We have satellites in orbit constantly taking pictures of this region. Where's the proof? It's the fucking MH17 thing all over again.
There's just as much proof that fucking aliens came out of the sky and blew shit up as there is that Kiev destroyed some Russian invaders.
We have some truly incompetent twats running things in the West, and frankly, I'm embarrassed for their sake. Useless cunts can't even pull off a proper false flag anymore.
The constant, brazen lies remind me of an alcoholic who lies, lies, lies, so many lies in fact that he loses track of which lies he has told to which people, and the point is reached when nobody around him believes a word he says anymore. These psychopaths have already lost, but they are in denial, like alcoholics. They are in trouble so deep that they lie to themselves. Brainwashed Ukies should experience their Moment of Clarity this winter. It's supposedly gonna be a cold one.
A Malaysian airline safety engineer's take on MH17 :
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/25546-the-mystery-of-the-malaysian...
Another analysis which looks at the position of the Buk launchers and concludes the only Buk within range belonged to the Ukraine armed forces:
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ca/2014/08/detailed-expert-analysis-of-mh17-downing.html
Not only do they have cellphones with cameras but the cellphones have GPS so an accurate location can easily be found and imprinted on the photos.
If real presstitute reporters don't have GPS located photos then I say it almost certainly didn't happen.
If we were being generous we could surmise they were misled by the lying junta.
Excellent, apply this logic to the flight recorders and that spanish air controller in Kiev..
Speaking of being embarrassed, Clancy must be spinning in his grave - given the epic stupidity and bumbling incompetence of the Bottom-Shelf Junta that's being funded and coached by the Bozos in Langley.
We'd have to laugh, if it weren't so tragic.
Good point.
If Clancy were teaching a writing course and a student turned in a script with such cartoonish characters as appear in this story...
Fail.
But I'll bet Clancy would like the Putin character. The supposedly bad guy who ends up looking like the only good guy with the only believable part in the script.
"Everyone and his dog has a cell phone and camera nowadays"
The WH will be shortly releasing Youtube evedince.
I don't have a dog or a cellphone.
Does that make me nobody?
That makes you a perfect witness. Get over there already.
No cell phone for me either...I guess we both value our privacy such as it is, The dog part I live with as being more reliable than most (not all) of my own species.
Ahem...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/evidence-is-now-conclusive-two-ukrainian-go...
yep...that's been my theory since they've been saying that Ukraine fighter jets coerced the jet into that airspace and down to a certain altitude and were even hiding behind the jets radar snap.
A few things about it all. How is it that nobody has any video of a bright white puffy smoke trail from that huge supposed Buk rocket that shot the jet down???
A trail from a big missile or rocket like that lasts for what??? 10, 20, 30 minutes or more in the sky as it wafts away down-wind in a long trail, right?
They saw the jet fall out of the sky on fire and smash into the ground after it was shot down, right? And there were no pictures or videos taken of the smoke trail from that big fucking rocket??? That trail would have lingered in the sky for at least 20 to 30 minutes after that jet crashed to the ground.
Or....as I'm suspecting....a fighter jet shot the shit out of MH-17 with cannon fire and then blew it out of the sky with an air-to-air missile. At 33,000 feet most people would not have seen that from the ground. They wouldn't have hardly even known that a large passenger jet was up there let alone a tiny fighter jet and an even smaller air-to-air missile fired at it until it blew up in the air and fell out of the sky.
By then the fighter jet(s) would have peeled off and been long fucking gone.
There were people all around on the ground as that jet fell out of the sky. There has not been one photo or video showing the trail from the ground on up to the impact of the jet which would have come from a big-ass Buk missile. Nothing.
I'm just not buying the story out of Ukraine/Kiev or the scumbag shit suckers in D.C. that Putin ordered or did this. He had and has nothing to gain what-so-ever by doing something so sick. He's been riding a higher world-wide rating for his actions than anyone else ever has. He's been out-manuevering the NWO and their puppet, obamanation, at every turn since Syria.
Why in the fuck would he do something so stupid to change all that?
Or is it more likely...given the sociopath, psychopath, scum we all know we're dealing with in our own government and their psycho puppet masters...that due to Putin's popularity and success since Syria, that those fucking scumbags would pull a stunt like this and then get their state-run, propaganda, treasonous, media world-wide to all blame Putin at once and fabricate some fucked up story about it????
I don't trust any of them...and unfortunately, I trust the scum out of D.C. the least of all. They're on the wrong side of everything anymore. They're the cause of everything bad and wrong in the world and in America. They are the terrorists of the world...they fund terrorism with our tax dollars and let the American people take the blame for their evil doings! They're the evil who divides in order to conquer. They're who try to creater order out of chaos. They are who are doing everything they can to destroy whatever is left of our rights, freedom and liberty.
They are now the next in line in the history of this world who deserve this more than anyone else....it's the only way to save not just the United States of America....but the only way to save this world:
IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
--That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do.
And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
ur right in your opening assertion that the lack of evidence of the BUK missile smoke trail is particularly damaging to the West's narrative
For reference, here is what a BUK looks like launching....would be hard to miss!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDXScnEKaP0
Thanks for that video dogismycopilot - pretty convincing smoke trail. And the explosion at intercept would EASILY have been seen even at 33,000 feet. I think it is more than clear that the US narrative is pure Bukshit.
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alex married to a rabbi who is transgenenderoror
Hush, You have nothing to say.
You mean like the Tylers and the other people from whom they post articles? And yet, here you are.
Chicken Kiev
Didn't you know?
MH370, MH17.......M is the 13th number, H is the 8th....
3, 7, 0, 1, 7, 1, 3, 8....
3+7+0-1 = 9.... 7+1+3=11... OMG 9/11....
Malaysia was behind 9/11!@#!@#
Malaysia and Ruger working together. The facts are inescapable.
I did not know that*
(*voiced as a mid-70s Johnny Carson)
But I would like to know, Who is the Uke's glue sniffing Goebbels running that propaganda shit show? Wow. Just embarrassing.
Yes. Ukraine's propaganda is terrible. Russia hasn't had a good propaganda machine for a while. Putin is helping things out. Probably has something to do with the amount of money at each country's disposal though.
Does Bunz bunz make fun of himself while he tries to dissuade you of the recognition that a rose (and the world) is constructed fractally.
Adding numbers together without any sense of how angles generate mathematics, and consequently the language of the brain is just embarrassing.
What's this 'OMG'?
Did you just discover that Bunz got his head stuck in his bunz?
Bunz should read more
http://www.thamesandhudson.com/How_the_World_Is_Made/9780500290378
Johnny Carson was a real prick, wasn't he? The good old days weren't so good after all.
Huh?
full spectrum dominance of the information battlespace, bitches.
Stephen Falken: Uh, uh, General, what you see on zerohedge is a fantasy; a computer-enhanced hallucination. Those blips are not real russian tanks. They're phantoms.
McKittrick: Jack, there's nothing to indicate a simulation at all. Everything is working perfectly!
Stephen Falken: But does it make any sense?
absurd and retarded.
abstarded.
Seeing is not believing. Hearing is not understanding. Touching is not feeling.
What the hell all this means here I have no idea.
The original report was made by Shaun Walker of the British Press and some other bloke.
Their report was that 24 Russian APC's had crossed into Ukraine accompanied by no photographic evidence. Don't you think if you were a reporter and you saw the APC's crossing the border you'd take a photo???
It is all bullshit but, every western media has swallowed the story rather than report that the Junta dropped Phosphorus bombs and Ballistic missiles on Donetsk last night.
AMAZING how ignorant the entire Western Media can be.
Ignorance? Wasn't there a court case recently where it was ruled that our "media" is under no obligation to tell the truth?-That it is actually just entertainment and the viewers are responsible for their own conclusions and decisions?
As Michael Powell, former chairman of the FCC said, "The night after I was sworn in, I waited for a visit from the angel of the public interest. I waited all night, but she did not come..."
Not ignorant. Complicit in Tyranny, Terror and state sponsored mass murder.
"AMAZING how ignorant the entire Western Media can be."
No, not really. If no mainstream western media wil report on 9-11 truth, then they have all willfully lobotomized themselves and made themselves completely irrelevant.
Those false-flagging motherfuckers have been on a roll ever since.
Total lowlife tactics to get their end. The media is owned, so americans are kept in ignorance about these matters.
Poroshenkoberg is happy to employ such tactics locally. He would love to see the entire 'lowlife' ukraine population wiped out, less laborers for his candy factory.
No need for a fighting force. Americans will come to defend against russia. Poroshenko can create a second israeli nation there as well. Once the ukraine population is decimated.
Evil
Poroshenko is securing the supply of hookers for Israeli brothels.
Just to add to the above.
Ukrainian Forces, "It's all fucked up. The Russians are killing us!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o77lO7KmftI
BBC footage of Russian military hardware moving around the aid convoy. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28813047. Also the eyewitness report of hardware crossing the boarder.
I don't buy the conspiracy theory. I think Putin sees Obama as weak, he knows Germany is in his corner (and the EU is as feckless as they come, they will say one thing and do another), and ultimately the EU has no ability to fight Russia without the US.
Putin will keep playing games with the West, and keep the pressure up on Ukraine as he knows Obama and the EU won't do a damn thing. When winter hits, and all data says this one will be brutal, he will win.
Hell, Belgium just lost a nuclear power station and may have power shortages in October. The EU has fucked it's energy policy, and handed all the cards to Putin. Obama is too fucking stupid to handle Putin, Putin knows it. EU politicians are whores who will bend over to the Russian bear to line their own pockets. Game over.
Perhaps the Obama administration can launch another of its devastating hash tag campaigns? [spit].
If you knew anything about how the BBC 'covered' the Miners' Strike, especially Orgreave Colliery, you wouldn't trust the buggers to tell you the time.
The BBC footage you cite shows nothing particularly useful.
Doctors without Borders
Reporters without Cameras
Seeing is believing.*
*unless you have Photoshop
The tyrant can have his NSA find a nat on an elephants ass in the congo but, cant see with all its spy gear what is going on in the Ukraine? BULLSHIT!!!!!!
as said, usa can send satelite to 6 billion kilometer to land on an asteroid, takes samples & jump the fuck out to go back earth with a 12years old technology but cannot track a fucking mh370 over an ocean.
hmmm... yea...sure...
Of course they see it. What the hell can they do about it? Do you honestly think Germany will authorize fly over rights for the US to get in a shooting war with Russia over the Ukraine? Germany is still where most of the NATO troops are based.
What's in it for Obama to show the classified intel of the Russian troop transports crossing the boarder? He can't manipulate his base for votes (like he can in St. Louis), he can't do anything about it in Europe as he's fucked EU relations so bad nobody trusts him, and Putin called his bluff in Syria and Obama went down like a $5 whore. He's got nothing but his bullshit political activism in the US to fall back on. Putin just needs to keep the pressure on until November when the winter hits, then game over.
"pawns on chessboard "
cleary evident you do not know chessgame.
you cannot win any fucking single game without pawns, idiot.
keep rainbow loom hobby... best for your brain skills
"I have met the enemy and it is those that profit from it."
An American, not US subject.
Countries don't lie, cunts do. I hope Putin stays focused on the assholes that overthrew Russia long before the "evil Hitler" shit his first diaper.
This just in regarding poor Michael Brown:
http://incogman.net/2014/08/michael-brown-was-suspect-in-robbery/
Or you could believe Jew media.
Oh gosh, are you advertising your own racist tripe website?
I saw this on google news all day. Only without the racist horseshit. Fuck off.
My own racist Tribe website?
Sure buddy. why not. I know words are hard for people with ineffectual brains. Keep on keepin' on. Get err done. Whatever you say with your smart buddies/cohorts/people who are aligned with you in an attempt to profit from hate and misunderstanding.
Tripe aka cow stomach or a stinky diner in an Italian resturant
See Im racyst too
That's awesome you support summary execution in the streets, see you there.
This is just an example of an event where agreeing with a side makes you wrong.
There is no right or wrong once the social contract has been broken. Scary stuff indeed.
The Social Contract is only broken when good people stop rebuilding it, to offset the damage done to it by sociopaths.
What each of us has to decide, is if we're part of the problem or part of the solution. Fence sitters, the confused and freeloaders get "null points" (no points).
Uh...Excuse me?
I seem to have misplaced my copy of the Social Contract.
In fact I do not recollect ever signing one or agreeing to one.
I need my copy so that I can verify my sgnature. If that signature exists I am sure that it is a forgery since I never signed a Social Contract.
(That is a Blue Team construct. I am not a socialist.)
Kirk has a valid point. You have family, no? You have friends, no? You have neighbors, no? You have an implied social contract with everyone you know. You treat them as you wish them to treat you. You stand up for or against them as you would have them stand for or against others or you. Do unto others. It really is quite simple unless you are a hermit. You must not be a hermit as you are participating in the ZH community. You have tacitly agreed to the implied social contract by participating in society.
Kirk is an apologist serving platitudes to those willing to lap them up. I am not sure what will be worse, the grim future or listening to those whining and bemoaning but i had no idea.
@TheReplacement
I like your reasoning. If people treat you like crap, and no one stands up for you, then you have no social contract with them.
There's one kid who will never steal a box of cigars again.
He hadn't adapted to the new reality of law enforcement.
Steal 10 billion, win Man of the Year.
Steal a box of cigars, win a dirt blanket.
What matters is what the people on both sides think happened, not the evidence. Evidence has yet to stop a war from happening, and I don't think it will start now.
"The first casualty of war is truth."
"Que the deer!"
Then que "Who Are You" by the Who.
You know que is 'what' in spanish right? I think you mean 'cue' or perhaps queue.
.
>>>A Country would never lie and use it as a pre-text for war.
Lets's be a little discriminating here, OK?
It's a truism that certain low-end oligarchies (e.g. Russia, China) would not hesitate to stage false flag events, or brazenly lie, in order to achieve foreign policy goals, but America and its NATO allies? Never!
And the mere insinuation that credentialled journalists could be complicit is an affront to the entire Infotainment Industry throughout the Free World.
Hot Ukrainian on Ukrainian action. I think there's an ad for a website about that somewhere here in the rotation.
Young Asian women are trying to meet... me?
Middle eastern via Mexico and Africa.
Exchange much spit for nookie. She promise she been virgin many times for you nice American boy.
kiss kiss drool
As the old saying goes....
The first casulaty in war is the taxpayer.
Actually... it's the taxpayer's kids. The taxpayer needs to kepp working, paying taxes, and building bombs to blow their kids up with.
Algoes. Aren't they great?
Futures open up 10 on Sunday,
Shame on you "Guardian" and shame on you "Telegraph". The world is waking up to the lies and sleight of hand used to start wars. You have acted as promoters of misinformation offered as news - for a newspaper that is almost the ultimate crime. I will never read your crap again.
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Exactly.
Petro Punka's Schlockolate Factory
The original Chocolate Kings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfpnSpefFww&index=3&list=PLB5E93485A5794CB4
Who knows what MI5/6 NSA/5eyes has on journos or editors who used to be 'objective' and 'honest' in their reporting. Days of 'innocence' are over...Fogh of War...
Its not too bizarre when you recall that Christine LaGarde(IMF) basicallt told the Uki gov'mt it was paying for "results". She wasn't sufficiently explicit as to exactly which results.
How will this Impact OBunga's Golf Vacation?
He is a digusting fraud and nothing more
That was fast, Tyler!
Fri, 08/15/2014 - 19:07 | 5100148 new Kirk2NCC1701TYLER, it's 1900 Hrs (7 PM EST), and some of us Ukraineholics(c) would appreciate an UPDATE, SVP. :-)
"Ukraineholics" (c) 2014 -Kirk
You should be flattered.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
They read what you write and take it seriously.
Haha. This was my first thought. I commented on it earlier.
No reason Russia would lie about this. They've been provoking Ukraine for an excuse to send in the big guns.
Ukraine just fucking Plaxico Burressed itself.
+1 for Plaxicoed
It seems that Ukraine Nazis have been watching too much Hogan's Heroes.
Wash off paint, isn't out of the question.
Fred Sanford loved his white" shoe polish"...
Probably the best conclusion is that the instant news cycle doesn't work real well with the messiness of war.
It is good to have instant news, countered by nightly news, countered by historical reflection years afterwards, I think.
Anything not fresh is suspect, since it can be created in a studio. After a long time, perspective alters recollections, and it matters a lot less.
I'm sure that the alleged Evidence will be released right after they release the results from the Black Box of MH17.
Maybe they were using the same model recorder as the one on the Brazilian presidential candidates plane.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-28812872
Hang on a sec.....
there's a funny smell around here.
Yes indeed. Where IS that black box report?
What Black Box?
That's sooo last month.
Can't wait for the Uke's to splain how they misguided their artillery.
With everything that is gone on in that part of the world. I do know this, I know who not to believe!
That would be all governments and all MSM
Am I right?
Well you can certainly apply the sacred, rarely-voiced, dictum of the EU leadership class:
When things get serious, you have to lie.
A good rule of thumb, going forward.
And I shudder to think that, one day, America itself might be ruled by such men.
August, your last line is crazy. Please explain. Both countries are, for now, ruled by the same group.
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Wut?
Its an acorn for Ukrainian Squirrels!!!
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If I said it was a KGB/FSB acorn, would that make it any better to choke down?
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I'll take that as a no? ;-)
Ha ha! Ukraine busted yet again ...
This internet thingy is sure messin' with the shameless liars' programs.
The USAKraine you certainly must mean.
Or UKKraine.
Or NATOKraine.
It is just an oligarch game, and bank failure is part of such.
War will cover all their tracks... with blood.
Or Zinokraine.
Given the KaganKnoodlemanites, and the ChocoPornKing are all avid, rabid Zionists.
Who can say this is not a Zionist plot in defense of the petro$ --> Central Bank System / Anglo-Zino system? Who can deny? Who can deny?
What a bunch of assholes. You cannot make this shit up! WTF is going on with this country. I'm moving.
Lol #armagetinoutahere
This is textboox Eastern European style False flag which typically invloves a tank, a midget, 1 case of vodka, a bodybuilder, a gypsy and a politican.
If that's true, they sure do false flags a lot cheaper than US, I guess
You forgot the case of grapefruits and the Gerber Mini-magnum.
Where's the Hooker in this story?
Got to be one somewhere.
In the tank with the midget.
BTW, where the FUCK is Boris Alotovkrap!? Gulags?
Wife-wench cut off fingers for too much stinky-pink?
a reader comment from the saker blog.
Anonymous said...The Jewish owned 'Guardian' and 'Telegraph' newspapers published in the UK pretend to be on opposite ends of the political spectrum. However, curiously, they partnered together yesterday to sell the lie of a Russian military invasion of Ukraine.
Today, the puppet head of the Ukraine parliament phoned the puppet head of the UK government (Nick Clegg- a very senior lieutenant of Tony Blair- is the real leader of the so-called 'coalition') to say the Ukraine military had intercepted and eliminated the Russian armoured column.
What many of you here will fail to realise is that when you control the entire mass media, you can construct a false flag with words alone- you don't even have to blow up anything real.
A quick check via Google, and the so-called 'sceptical' forums shows the false flag has worked perfectly, and people on all sides of the issue have accepted the truth of the psy-op. All the major news organisations are reporting the fantasy as true. Both pro and anti-Russian forum members are, at a 99 percentile, accepting the psy-op as real.
Meanwhile, on sites that actually bother to report REAL news from Novorussia, it is clear the defenders have once again managed to achieve stunning success against the neo-Nazis, and have captured Kiev saboteur teams who were sent to attack Putin's 'flotilla'.
It is clear Kiev intended to allow the Humanitarian convoy into Ukraine once these saboteur squads were in place and active, and then the Jewish controlled mainstream media outlets were going to blame the resistance for the attacks on the convoy. The BBC was all prepared to report that the mine and IED attacks on the trucks was either down to resistance efforts to block transport routes OR a resistance false flag to blame Kiev for the attacks.
I cannot stress strongly enough that today, 99.9% of the sheeple that rely on the Jewish controlled mainstream media outlets, now believe Russia invaded Ukraine, and was blasted to bits by the 'brave' warriors of Kiev. Meanwhile, the idiotic response of Russian counter-propaganda forces is to say "who can be so stupid as to believe such nonsense?". Psy-ops are used because psy-ops work, *IF* one successfully controls the mass media outlets.
Believe non of what you read, and half of what you see.
Can't claim that as my own, but I don't remember to whom the credit should go.
I think that's a Ben Franklin quote, but I heard it most memorably in a song on Lou Reed's "New York" album.
"Not every twitter can thou believest."
- Plato
I can't find the quote in Bartletts. I can't find anything scholarly on the internet, but many sources claim that Dinah Mulock Craik, a 19th century fiction writer, is the author of that aphorism.
Albania? Why are we going to war with Albania?
We're not gonna have a war, we're gonna have the "appearance" of a war. It's a Pageant...
Nice find Tony! Stay on the case, the zionest connection to the Ukraine civil war is under reported. Once the Kiev coup succeeded, several Israeli-Ukrainians flew home to take posts in the new fascist government of Kiev. Mossad has, for 20 years, worked in Western Ukraine to fund and encourage the rise of fascism there. In this they worked hand in glove with the CIA, MI6 and Poland. The fruits of these billions spent was to educated new generations into the nazi movement and expand it's spread across West Ukraine. The result they sought is being played out in Donbass right now. Israeli and it's zionests are like high priests of the Ukie Fascist Movement.
Zio-connections are always under-reported because of the control of he media by...............
Any further reading material available on Mossad funding fascist groups over twenty years?
Thanks.
Good question, but any fair person would have to admit that the Zinologists are neck deep in this Ukraine fiasco on the Kiev Junta side, starting with Victoria Kagan-Noodleman and by her own admission, $5B, putting the Junta in power.
This has been about taking down Russia from the beginning. The Ukraine is just the stepping stone.
Tony:
Are you really trying to tell me that zionists are the ONLY people that would attempt to control media? Are you really trying to tell me that the sources you get your "news" from have no bias? No agenda?
If you are against the zionist control of anything, isn't that an agenda in itself?
By being against something, don't you tend to follow, understand, believe things that agree with you? That would be the case for both sides of any issue. And therefore, both sides would believe lies.