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Martin Armstrong Warns "We Are Witnessing The Collapse Of Democracy"

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Submitted by Martin Armstrong via Armstrong Economics blog,

Part of the war cycle is just the general feeling or attitude shifts due to economics. We seem to be headed for such a fateful turn.

The police domestically have turned militaristic.

This is a very serious issue far beyond what most people would even guess. It tends to show the changing attitudes within society.

Couple this with Obama who seems to think he was elected to start a war. We are approaching a serious turning point that may reshape the world as did 1932 following the economic trend of the Great Depression.

The year 1932 saw Mao come to power in China. In Germany, Hitler came to power. FDR came to power in the United States. Even in Japan, the seeds of war were planted with the May 15 Incident, in which Prime Minister Tsuyoshi Inukai was assassinated by young military officers in an attempted coup. The killing spread fear among Japan’s liberal politicians and strengthened the militarists, who eventually led the country into the catastrophic Pacific War.

1932, which was also the low in the markets from 1929. The year 2007 began the changing process and we should be looking ahead now [for] the war cycle will turn upward.

We are witnessing the collapse of democracy or to put it in the proper perspective – the right of the people to vote even in a republic. Europe is hell-bent on removing any democratic process because Brussels believes they know best and the people are just too stupid to know what is best for them.

So 2007 marked the beginning of shift in attitude.


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Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:40 | 5099214 Statetheist
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Fuck democracy.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:43 | 5099236 Latina Lover
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What democracy? We were a republic that turned into an Empire, a crony capitalist state where the banksters rule all.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:47 | 5099260 Statetheist
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Voting is nothing more than a slave's suggestion box.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:50 | 5099285 Pladizow
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Democracy is a suggestion box for slaves. Fixed it for ya.


Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:51 | 5099296 Statetheist
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I like my version better. But thanks anyways.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:01 | 5099369 nope-1004
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Someone tell Marty that we never were a Democracy.  FFS, we've been run by the Fed for over 100 years.  That's NOT a democracy.


Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:35 | 5099558 DaddyO
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Martin Armstrong Warns "We Are Witnessing The Collapse Of Democracy"

Good, maybe we can regain the Constitutional Republic so desparately needed today!


Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:39 | 5099595 outamyeffinway
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Maybe we can burn that POS and disband the fed gov???

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:24 | 5099801 Translational Lift
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Maybe we can burn that POS and disband the fed gov???

Nope.....Just get rid if the Fed, IRS  and usury and the money will return to the people who earn it and and won't fund the world-wide crooks and the Gov.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:55 | 5099911 indygo55
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And claw back everything they stole for those 100 years.


Fri, 08/15/2014 - 20:06 | 5100388 Anusocracy
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Voting is the best way of identifying all the people with a room temperature IQ.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 20:48 | 5100569 Elvis the Pelvis
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The world has always been in turmoil.  War is here to stay.  The poor are here to stay.  Oppression is here to stay.  Etc.  It's all just part of the human condition.  Life isn't for pussies.  Bitchez.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 01:04 | 5101192 cornflakesdisease
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Sure your name ain't Ennis?

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 01:46 | 5101244 fervent in spirit
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He's only here to promote his blog. His comments are just an excuse and his names are more numerous than you can imagine.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 15:40 | 5102781 Moustache Rides
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Ennis the pennis

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 20:36 | 5100513 CH1
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And claw back everything they stole for those 100 years.


That's the classic blunder. Get your freedom and keep on moving. If you go for revenge, you'll bollocks up the whole thing.

Ask Spartacus.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 20:14 | 5103422 Raging Debate
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CH1- You are a wise man.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 18:30 | 5100037 Mr. Magoo
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America is following the footsteps of the Roman empire, just another example of history repeating itself

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:19 | 5102214 sessinpo
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Mr. Magoo    America is following the footsteps of the Roman empire, just another example of history repeating itself


Yup. And what happened afterwards? A few heads rolled but most of the wealthy stayed wealthy. Most of the poor stayed poor. And new governments sprung up. Rinse, repeat.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 20:25 | 5103444 Raging Debate
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Sessinpo - Correct. Consider at the collapse of the Soviet Union, 65% of the Russian Duma remained.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 18:09 | 5099960 Jumbotron
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"Good, maybe we can regain the Constitutional Republic so desparately needed today!"

Won't happen without the gun.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 02:01 | 5101257 Four chan
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can we at least stop using that god damned word democracy for inaccurately describing

our government designed to protect and guarantee individual rights over the mob?

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:49 | 5102332 TheReplacement
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Amen to that, without taking the Lord's name in vain of course.  Perhaps we can also stop using "liberal" to describe tyrants, "new and improved" to describle the same but less, and "free" to describe slavery.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 18:01 | 5103088 g speed
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you just don't like Madison Ave. is all

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 23:51 | 5101064 Crawdaddy
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For new peeps, a source checking observation:

Martin Armstr0ng was the gopher boy for Brit Neocon Sir Alan Walters. Armstr0ng's mentor was a card carrying member of the NWO. Walters is dead now but when he was alive this is how Walters spent his time:

> Monetarist econ advisor to Margaret Thatcher
> Adviser to the World Bank
> Vice Chairman of AIG Trading Group
> American Enterprise Institute

AEI, you may have heard, is the HQ for the NeoCon NWO Goat Worshipers  who are responsible for damn near every bad thing happening in the world right now.

Armstr0ng's writings show he is trying to keep that NWO flame alive, doing his part by highlighting one side of a manufactured conflict. A manufactured conflict brought to you by his handlers in NeoCon central - the American Enterprise Instute. They have spent years pushing their Hegelian dialectic, order out of chaos game plan.

Armstr0ng is one their pets. He may have arrived at this point against his will, via bribery, coercion etc, leveraging his trouble with the law. The outcome is he is neocon pet and therefore a professional shit disturber. Caveat emptor amigos.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 00:19 | 5101120 Hook Line and S...
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Perhaps we should check for the scar (like Obama's) on the back of his head?

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 00:41 | 5101153 Crawdaddy
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I'll hold him, you shave his head.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 06:05 | 5101453 UselessEater
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So stop commenting he might go away!!! Unlikely as he's got a massively inflated ego...jees the daily emails starting with Martin you're the only one who tells the truth....Martin you're the only one

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:53 | 5102344 TheReplacement
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I have no objection to any of that except for one thing.  The NWO is not responsible for all of the bad things happening.  Human nature is.  The NWO is responsible for channelling the greed and avarice of human nature into the things that are happening.  Getting rid of the NWO will be a wonderful and momentous day in human history but it will not bring peace and happiness to all as we cannot rid ourselves of human nature.

Edit:  My point is to simply keep expectations realistic.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 13:15 | 5102411 Crawdaddy
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I agree with that. Point noted.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:52 | 5099665 manofthenorth
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Democracy is a euphemism for mob rule. Living in a system where 51% (of those who can bother to vote) tell the other 49% what they can do in their homes (at the end of a gun) is not all that great for many of the participants. As long as the electoral process remains the same we little people "elect" no one. We are allowed to believe that we are involved in the selection process so that the whole mess seems legitimate to the non-critical thinking group.( the majority of voters).

Sad truth is that parts of the USA will have to look like Gaza before the average American can grasp this idea.

The real danger to America is not the false leaders like Bush and Obama, there will be and endless supply of these used car salesmen. The real danger to America is a citizenry that continues to "elect" these charlatans as if there were any REAL difference between them.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 18:09 | 5099950 Lea
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"Democracy is a euphemism for mob rule."

That's what the Founding Fathers, who were all slave-owners and dead scared of the people, wanted you to believe. In fact, the people generally show more common sense than their leaders. That is, when they're allowed to have a voice at all in the policies, which is not the case nowadays - as we're not in a democracy anymore, we're in an oligarchy that portrays as a democracy.

You should be happy. It's not a democracy.  

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 19:23 | 5100224 Pickleton
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who were all slave-owners


Umm, no.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 21:23 | 5100679 Escrava Isaura
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Umm, no.

Were?.... Or All?

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 23:29 | 5101008 Socratic Dog
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Never understood what the problem with being a slave-owner is.  Or was.  When we are all slaves.

You think not?  Try working without feeding a good-sized cut of the fruits of your labor to the IRS.  You'll find you end up in prison.  Or dead.  The IRS is the plantation-owner.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 11:12 | 5101975 Escrava Isaura
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Quote below might shed ‘an additional’ light in human exploitation


“America’s elites know that capitalism is totally unworkable. We try to impose it in the 3rd world so we can destroy them”Noam Chomsky


Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:59 | 5102370 TheReplacement
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I'm not sure where you are coming from with this but the "capitalism" Chomsky is talking about is not actually capitalism.  If anything, the elites know that capitalism is unworkable (for them) because capitalism does not allow for control (by them) of everything produced and consumed.  Hence, the system they push is absolutely not capitalism.

Up is not down.

Good is not bad.

Right is not wrong.

Fascism is not capitalism.

Please stop destroying our language.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 02:09 | 5104189 Escrava Isaura
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I don't even know where to start when it is obvious that you bought into the “Educational Propaganda” Kool-Aid.

It’s obvious that you don’t read Chomsky’s work, either.

Noam Chomsky: “Efficient market theory? How is that different than Noah’s Arch?”

Noam Chomsky: “Can Civilization Survive Capitalism?”

By the way: I love when Chomsky said: “Paying them when there is no demand”. Then, when he talks about procurements.

Chomsky tells everything that one needs to know: Capitalism and free market became a farce and a fraud.


A massive Ponzi scheme.


Not that you can't tell it by now!

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 00:32 | 5101139 El Vaquero
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Jesus Christ!  Go to Walmart and strike up a few conversations about something that actually matters and then see if you want a true democracy.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 08:43 | 5101604 nmewn
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Sat, 08/16/2014 - 09:17 | 5101639 DanDaley
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Hell, go to the school where I work and talk to people with BAs, MAs, or about get basketball, softball, baseball, or 5th-grade political indoctrination crap. They understand the words, but they look at you like you're explaining high-energy particle physics. Hey, I saw this thing on pinterest...

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 10:31 | 5101817 Aussie V
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I'm with you man. Everyone I talk to seems to have the IQ of a chicken. They dress the same, watch the same shows on TV, think the same, use the same words and believe the same shit without understanding one iota of what any of it means.

Talk to them about ANYTHING with meaning and they excuse themselves, change the subject and ask if I watched "The Voice" last night or tell me who will win the Footy comp this year. That's it!

I honestly feel like some type of freak! I am either the smartest guy in the crowd or the dumbest. I know more than any of them. Hell, I know more than any of them added together but I'm still not sure whether that makes me smart or dumb?

Remember that saying....."Ignorance is bliss?"


Sat, 08/16/2014 - 13:03 | 5102380 TheReplacement
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What makes you smart or dumb is how you use your knowledge.  No doubt they are smart because they have been able to make a living despite being mental midgets.  No offense intended toward midgets of course. 

At one time, something like 10% of the population was in mental institutions and prisons.  Today about 1% remain in prison and mental institutions are almost nonexistent.  Where are all the nutters now?

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 13:21 | 5102433 manofthenorth
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HA HA HA HA !!!!!!!


They are in Washington DC running the asylum !!!!

We are properly fucked

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:56 | 5102355 TheReplacement
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Go to the mall today and ask 100 American subjects what kind of government the US has.  Please report back your results.  I'm going place a big bet on "democracy" being the winner.  Perception is reality and they will vote themselves gifts from the Treasury even though in reality these gifts are simply chains to ensure their bondage.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 04:13 | 5101388 JamesH
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Warlord or Lord of War. Same thing

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:43 | 5099609 Malachi Constant
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That's representative democracy. Direct democracy, on the other hand, leaves some power in each individual voter's hands. Otherwise there wouldn't have been periods of tyranny in Athens, Corinth, Syracuse, etc.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 19:24 | 5100218 Kirk2NCC1701
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@Pladizow: "Democracy is a suggestion box for slaves. Fixed it for ya."

Perhaps.  Probably.  And yet it... DEPENDS, given places like Switzerland -- where they have not been invaded or done any invading for centuries.  Of course, in their system of Democracy, they have more regional autonomy, and within each region they have Direct Representation/Voting on Laws.  Something to think about.

The point is... If America is the place where all kinds of things get invented and re-invented, then why not "American Democracy" also?  Or should we simply try to get back to the Original 1776 formula, which has been so badly warped and hijacked -- thanks to a veritable army of the Dumb, Lazy, Willfully Uninformed and plain Scared?

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 15:43 | 5102788 malek
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Umm, I have news for you:
Even though they narrowly avoided stepping wholeheartedly into the EU trap, Switzerland has effectively sold out through allowing UBS and CS to become so big also outside of Switzerland, that they and by extension the whole Swiss financial system and economy can be blackmailed. As already proven several times. Because of that, they have lost status of financial safe haven ("island") which was their biggest reason for not getting invaded over the last few centuries.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 21:56 | 5103631 Winston Churchill
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Lots of other reasons apart from banking.That's a biggie though.

The Swiss are great believers in inter marriage with neighboring countries, and the

du jour hegemon. Plus those relatives still have to conquer the Alps, before their fully 

armed cousins. The Swiss get around even more than the Irish, and if the Irish were black

the world would be half caste.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 01:33 | 5101236 JacktheTab
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"Democracy Spawns Bad Taste"

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 11:48 | 5102102 snodgrass
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Recent study says what we already know: that our votes count for nothing. Maybe people are catching on. A commission in LA is considering the idea of giving prizes for voting. They want the illusion and that's all.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:49 | 5099274 Da Yooper
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We are a Constitutionally Limited Republic


not a Democracy ( mob rule )


Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:55 | 5099330 TuPhat
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You didn't get the memo?  That was changed years ago.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:06 | 5099391 power steering
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They find Casey Kasem yet?

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:36 | 5099569 DaddyO
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Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:56 | 5099334 LawsofPhysics
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"We WERE a Constitutionally Limited Republic" -  Fixed.  The corporate and unwashed mobs are in control now.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:11 | 5099421 Spastica Rex
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We just need the right dictator(s).

I'm sure the ZH "WE R NOT UH DUMOCRACY" crowd has some suggestions.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:20 | 5099473 photonsoflight
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Samuel Clemons I would vote for. Don't bring up his death as a negative, that's in the positive column.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:22 | 5099490 Statetheist
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We don't need anyone.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:26 | 5099505 LawsofPhysics
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Either way, get your tribe in order.


(disclaimer; all tribes are created equal, but some tribes are "more equal" than others)

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:52 | 5099670 negative rates
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It's the living longer tribes vs the dry powder tribes as the only game left in town. 

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:44 | 5099623 NidStyles
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You really are a stupid human. 



Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:48 | 5099889 Sinnedi
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America is an oligarchy, not a democracy or republic, university study finds


Fri, 08/15/2014 - 20:19 | 5100445 ajax
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“America stands before the world as an impetuous void, a fatality without substance. Nothing prepared her for hegemony; yet she tends toward it, not without a certain hesitation. Unlike the other nations which have had to pass through a whole series of humiliations and defeats, she has known till now only the sterility of an uninterrupted good fortune. If, in the future, everything should continue to go as well, her appearance on the scene will have been an accident without influence. Those who preside over her destiny, those who take her interests to heart, should prepare her for bad times; in order to cease being a superficial monster, she requires an ordeal of major scope. Perhaps she is not far from one now. Having lived, hitherto, outside hell, she is preparing to descend into it. If she seeks a destiny for herself, she will find it only on the ruins of all that was her raison d'être.”

- Emil Cioran

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 14:10 | 5102567 TheReplacement
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the corporate mobs are in control now - FIFY

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:01 | 5099361 duo
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Operator:  "9-1-1, how can I help you"

Citizen:  "Can you send the army over to the house next door?  They are having a loud party."

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:54 | 5099906 KnightTakesKing
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Careful. They'll napalm his house and burn down the whole neigborhood. 

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:13 | 5099417 daemon
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" We are a Constitutionally Limited Republic "

Contaminated by the most efficient trojan horse democracy has to offer : ELECTIONS .

It was doomed since the very beginning. Just a question of time.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:14 | 5099441 Spastica Rex
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What, should we have hereditary leaders?

Here comes Hillary!

God save the Queen!

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:36 | 5099521 daemon
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" What, should we have hereditary leaders? "

Good question. Unless the inhabitants of the republic are angels, can't you expect it to more or less rapidly turn into a democracy ? 

Isn't a republic a nice abstraction, impossible to implement in reality ?

Isn't this quote from Jefferson :

" The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. "

a way to express that fact ?


Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:39 | 5099587 DollarMenu
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I don't think so.

Our Republic was supposed to guarantee individual rights regardless of what the mob voted for.

Over time, that guarantee was ammended and eroded to ineffectivity by inattentiveness by the inhabitants.


Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:59 | 5099705 NidStyles
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You ignored his point, and then you didn't even address it while saying he was wrong.


A REPUBLIC IS AN ABSTRACTION. It's not real, it's based on an idea and it's implementation is based upon the abstraction of that idea from paper into reality. 

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 20:39 | 5100523 CH1
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ALL rulership is organized crime.

Always was, always will be. It survives ONLY by robbery - by taking money by force.

I want none of it at all.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 19:21 | 5099725 daemon
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" Our Republic was supposed to guarantee individual rights regardless of what the mob voted for. "

Yes, through a paper titled The Constitution.


" Over time, that guarantee was ammended and eroded to ineffectivity by inattentiveness by the inhabitants. "

Probably not only "inattentiveness". Those who "ammended and eroded to ineffectivity" The Constitution didn't do so necessarily inattentively. But here you are precisely expressing that in the real world, we will always have to count on inattentiveness (and probably on some other ingredients), to inevitably walk from the world of ideas put on some piece of paper (republic) , into that of reality (democracy .....probably degenerating in some tyranny, in the end). 

And maybe, we are now, at some point in time where the tree of liberty will have to be refreshed with .......

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 01:17 | 5101216 Oldwood
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I think we have a very representative society. Our rotten government very accurately represents Americans. Our sloth, our greed, our violence, our desire for power and wealth at any cost...except hard work and accountability. Our leaders would like for us to believe that THEY can make us better. Make laws that civilize us, make us less racist, less sexist, less greedy and small. But somehow through their efforts to purify us they have taken on all of our sins and become the very essence of what they claim to desire to destroy. Unfortunately THEY are us and we demonstrate our worthiness of them everyday in places like Ferguson MO.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:16 | 5099771 Raging Debate
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Dollar Menu - It was inevitable it would end. A government is a tool. It was built with great intent but the design was 3D pyramid. That power would be concetrated in the exeuctive and led around the nose by banking inevitable. The government is just the second rung of the pyramid for the time being. with the citizenship themselves at the bottom. After this one goes down, build a 4D model instead, liberty will last longer.

"This suckers going down!" - GW Bush

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 00:43 | 5101156 El Vaquero
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In the long run, I really don't think it matters what model you build.  Some will be more resilient than others, but  I think that, no matter what, be it democracy, a republic, communism, anarchy etc... you will have people who want to be led, who want to be taken care of and who are just plain as fuck dumb and you will also have people who like to control others.  Put those two together and you'll eventually get a government that slides towards tyranny.  I think that TJ was onto something about the tree of liberty needing to be watered from time to time. 

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 06:57 | 5104504 Raging Debate
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El Vaquero - I am not saying I disagree that human nature will evenfually corrupt every system. I suggest a design that may be more resistent to corruption and last a bit longer. What kind of foundation you build a house on does matter doesn't it?

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 18:30 | 5100039 SuperRay
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What? Should we have hereditary leaders?

What should we have, hereditary leaders?

You didn't pass the grammar test.  You'll be deported tomorrow.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 20:39 | 5100532 CH1
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Should we have hereditary leaders?

Leaders? Who needs leaders? Fuck 'em all.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:34 | 5099560 LawsofPhysics
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We already do, unless I am to believe that natural leaders must be named Kennedy, Bush, Clinton, etc.

Fuck them all, feed the guillotines and pass the cake.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:01 | 5099713 NidStyles
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If those are the "chosen ones" I have to question God's sobriety. Since I know God wouldn't pick those people I am safe. 


Since we are talking hereditary, the argument is based upon divine choice anyways. 

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 19:26 | 5100246 Kirk2NCC1701
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Angel or Devil foodcake?  ;-)

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 18:07 | 5099955 easypoint
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Lotteries to fill what now pass for elected positions. Mandatory participation by every citizen with a high school diploma.

"The ordinary affairs of a nation offer little difficulty to a person of any experience, but the gift of office is a dreadful burden which oppresses him." ~ Thomas Jefferson

A burden. That is what public office should be. Two years service at whatever the average salary of the nation is and then back to the general population to live under the laws you have helped to enact. Accepting a bribe - treason with a mandatory life imprisonment.

Not a perfect system, but a vast improvement over the current state of affairs.


Sat, 08/16/2014 - 05:15 | 5101420 RafterManFMJ
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Life in prison of treason? Pussy. Firing squad, headshot, organs sold.

William F. Buckley Jr.

“I would rather be governed by the first 2000 people in the Manhattan phone book than the entire faculty of Harvard.”.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 08:39 | 5101573 daemon
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" A burden. That is what public office should be. "

That's apparently how the taoist philosophers viewed it , too. For them, a good "leader" was someone who would not want spontaneously the position, but who would accept it as a burden .

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 02:40 | 5101313 Oh regional Indian
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The Queen and the Queer....birds of a feather..not much betwixt them, eh?

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 08:47 | 5101610 Horseless Headsman
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Always was. Human nature being what it is, I don't think we'll be able to invent a gov't that the worst of us can't find a way to subvert. The better the system, the longer it takes. But the outcome isn't in doubt.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:25 | 5099507 Freddie
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A lot of fuxx voted for this twice.  The RINO-Neo-Con-Amnesty gang made sure Soros, Lester Crown and Sheldon Adelson got Obama or their plan B in McCain and Romney.

Ron Paul was nuke.  Rick Santorum was beating Romney but Adelson had money on Romney and his phony CFR stooge and fake conservative Newt.  They had to resort to vote fraud to save Romney in the Midwest.  Adelson did not like Santorum because he was "too Christian."

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:48 | 5099644 Malachi Constant
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Mob rule = ochlocracy. It's the promise of ochlocracy that gets politicians elected.

You were probably looking for the word kakistocracy.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 00:49 | 5101163 El Vaquero
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I had to go look one up.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 02:37 | 5101311 putaipan
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nice tune, but credit is due where credit is due- max and stacy fer that one.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 10:44 | 5101868 BraveSirRobin
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I went to DC the other day to see some sights. One place I visited was the National Archives. When I had gone before as a kid, I seem to remember the Constitution place high on the wall so everyone in the rotunda looked up at and could see it. Since then there has been a renovation, and now the Constitution is placed in what looks like a sarcophagus you slowly walk past and look down upon, like viewing the dead body at a wake. The entire experience was like walking into a mausoleum or a tomb. In addition, the document is fading and almost unreadable. . . all fitting symbolism for th ecurrent state of affairs.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:21 | 5099778 WhackoWarner
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What democracy? We were a republic that turned into an Empire, a crony capitalist state where the banksters rule all.

I just fail to get it. OR DO YOU?

Let me parse your comment.

What democracy? ( Well I guess the one US instituted and allowed to fail over many, many decades. Maybe someone was "asleep at the wheel" or just plain lazy.?  Or is it the democracy you refer to that slaughtered cultures at will? Annihilated and purged people and then glorified Custer et al.?  Or perhaps it is the democracy that used other humans as livestock for centuries? Perhaps that is your democracy that you refer to?

Perhaps you are referring to some fantasy you created in your belief system?  Maybe you refer to the democracy tha disenfranchises voters and buys politicians?  The one where your legal system is bought and sold by bank accounts?  Perhaps this democracy you mourn is one that never existed.....because?......hold on>>>>YOU GUYS were asleep at the wheel.

You mourn a republic that turned into an empire?.  Look to the past.  You "folks" were complacent. Never got beyond lazy for all your priveledge. 

Who caused this?  ask yourself and then ask your parents....then ask your ancestors who were asleep at the wheel.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:18 | 5099780 ramacers
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        very definitive.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 02:11 | 5101270 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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Powerful statement.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 02:33 | 5101304 putaipan
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'nice republic. if you can keep it' ..........ben.

'mericans will suffocate under their loss of freedoms' ......bin.

" i don't care who makes the laws" ...... 

paraphrasin', but you can google yourself.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:21 | 5102224 A Nanny Moose
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"We were a republic"

Yet still we are in this predicament. The same predicament as all other repewbliks in the history of repewbliks; Devolution to Demockracy, then the adoption of the two forms Socialism (Fascism or Marxism). It all works, right up until they inevitably collapse under their own corrupt, centrally planned, unproductive wieght.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:43 | 5099240 max2205
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And then there is Killery

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:44 | 5099243 silentboom
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It's a Republic, why the fuck are people downvoting you?

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:47 | 5099268 Statetheist
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Most likely Drudgebots who do not know any better.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:49 | 5099290 Statetheist
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Same thing happens whenever I denigrate religion.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:01 | 5099365 kchrisc
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"Same thing happens whenever I denigrate religion."

So true.

Watch this: "Fundamentalist Christians are tools of Israel and the neo-cons."

Bring on the down votes and nastiness.

An American, not US subject.


Note: Nothing wrong with beliefs and faith, but organized imposition of those beliefs, religion, is a problem.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:18 | 5099466 Spastica Rex
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Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:23 | 5099495 Statetheist
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LOL, nicely done

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 19:41 | 5100302 Kirk2NCC1701
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@Statetheist: "Same thing happens whenever I denigrate religion."

You, I can relate.  I too would have more "friends" on ZH, if I didn't point out the shortcomings of the Judeo/Christian religions and the pathological and cosmic failures of the secular and clerical leadership of Christians themselves.

As I've said before:  "People CLAIM to 'want to have the truth', but that's not true.  95% of people want "the truth", only as long as it does not attack or shake their existing worldview."

If you wonder why that is, I think that the reason is rational, as it is simple:  It is not that they can't grasp these challenges at the intellectual level, but that they can't and won't accept them at the EMOTIONAL level.  For if they were to accept these challenges to their worldview/religion, then the implications and CONSEQUENCES are so profound (so much 'Invested'), that they are not ready to deal with the consequences at the emotional level.

p.s. Sometimes the devious side of me wonders, if I should experiment with "Singing the Praises God", and see how many more Up arrows I get, but Cognitive Dissonance and sheer self-respect stops me.  Peace.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 03:33 | 5101319 putaipan
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there is an attitude refered to as "praise in complaint". quick sufi example- adam is sweating his broken ass ofF in the fields, (this is post garden obviously) working on raising enough wheat to barely survive a winter, and with great pissed offedness shakes his raised fist at GOD ...... " so you can have a little realization of your divine state , i gotta do this?"

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:51 | 5099289 THX 1178
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Exactly. I don't want abunch of tv watching, football watching, beer guzzling, nightclub attending, textbook reading, flag waving, official-story-believeing retards making decisions for me. Not saying politicians are better, but holy dang.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:27 | 5099812 Raging Debate
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THX 1178 - I agree. Here is a fun experiment, only takes a second. Take a piece of paper, draw a big pyramid with three sections. At the top put in the word 'concepts'. In the middle put in the word 'issues'. At the bottom put the word 'details'. When a nation forms it is for collective security which includes concepts like freedom and liberty. However, those at the top begin pushing wedge issues down. The people begin getting mired in them and finally focus on endless details. The population has lost the ability to think conceptually. Now they can be conquered by sociopaths thinking conceptually. Yuk, yuk, yuk.

Now you can add to the right of your pyramid a dash next to concepts and write 'adults'. Next to issues a dash and 'adolescents'. At bottom a dash next to details and write 'infants'. Is our national behavior of its populace adolescent and infantile?

Congradulations. You just drew a pyramid of thought. This is how mankind organizes his thoughts but we've been rapidly evolving to 4D for a few centuries anyways. Remember Bill Clinton yapping about trinagulating this or that? 3D models were so yesterday... yawn.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:02 | 5099310 Dr. Richard Head
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We didn't keep it though.

The strange thing is that these tactics were utilized in Pittsburgh for the G20, the RNC in Tampa, Boston Scareathon, Occupy WallStreet, and a variety of other instances prior to Ferguson.  My question is why the public is waking up to the control grid around us now as opposed to then?  Some of us were screaming POLICE STATE, but were ridiculed then. 

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:06 | 5099383 kchrisc
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" My question is to why the public is waking up to the control grid around us now as opposed to then?"

Some wake up with the sun and others need an alarm clock.

An American, not US subject.


"My guillotine is awake."

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:17 | 5099775 exonomic halfbreed
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I met a special forces guy once who told me that I should not waste my time trying to wake the public for two reasons.  1. to live a long life  2.  all over the world, people lie to themselves and take no action untill they have nothing else to lose.    We have been in a depression for most of the last thirteen years and seen the evisceration of the middle class.  I have one thing positive to say about the deliberate dumbing down of america(charlotte iserbyt).  It has resulted in the degradation of the educational system even in the ivy leagues which gives hope that their clientelle will underestimate the gullibility of the masses and overestimate their own attributes.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:29 | 5099526 seek
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The difference between Ferguson and all the others -- the police escalated the situation. All other others the police went Nazi out the door in response to protestors, here they escalated in a very might-makes-right, in-your-face way, and that really rubs people the wrong way.

I think another issue is in spite of all the posts here to the contrary, people that live in the area say that Ferguson really didn't have much in the way of race issues relative to other areas, and it's not ghetto like east St. Louis is, etc. Several people that live in the area have said it's very clearly a power thing (and a power trip) by the county cops, and that probably colored a lot of the response by the local community (which seem to be quick to point out that the looters weren't from the area.)

In any case, it's a good thing, this woke a lot of people up and the thuggish cops set their cause back a few years and probably will bring attention to other over-the-top abuses like those in ABQ.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 18:05 | 5099942 Professorlocknload
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++ seek,

Militarized cops in Ferguson created the same conditions conducive to "Blowback," that the Federal military has created in countless nations around the world.


Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:45 | 5099629 XitSam
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I've read that RNC Tampa was well handled by the police.  Search for yourself.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:30 | 5099819 Raging Debate
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Dr. Richard Head - Because the frog is boiling now...

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 01:03 | 5101187 El Vaquero
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Speaking of the police state, wasn't it the Greeks that were throwing water balloons filled with paint on the police to make it so that they couldn't see out of their gas masks?  Either way, if it wasn't the Greeks, it is the concept that is important.  When we devolve to the point that the Greeks are, we should one-up them.  Water balloon launchers that can fling one 100 yards or so would be an idea.  Dozens of them that are easy to set up near any place where you expect the tear gas to appear.  But people should wait to launch the balloons not just until after gas has been popped, but when the cops with the gas masks are in the middle of the gas.  Imagine 50 or so balloons coming in every 5-10 seconds and what it would do to police cohesion.  Then, while they're choking on their own tear gas, you're free to do whatever you need to do.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:51 | 5099305 Raphio
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Fuck You

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:25 | 5099509 rubiconsolutions
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<--- "We Are Witnessing The Fulfillment Of Democracy"

<--- "We Are Witnessing The Collapse Of Democracy"

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:42 | 5099867 Translational Lift
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<--- "We Are Witnessing The Fulfillment Of Democracy"

<--- "We Are Witnessing The Collapse Of Democracy"

One in the same......


Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:23 | 5099793 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Fuck democracy.

You'll get no argument on that from me. At the nation state level, the only thing democracy accomplishes is putting a society's worst sociopaths in charge of everything. We'd be better off staffing the government with people chosen at random and then swapping them out at random intervals.

Democracy only works at a very local level, where the elected have to live and work among those who vote. The shenanigans of politicians will be less frequent and less severe when they have to mingle with the electorate when dining at a restaurant, shopping for groceries, putting gas in their car, etc., especially when everyone knows who they are and where they live.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 18:22 | 5100012 SAT 800
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Did he figure this out all by himself, or did he need help? Also; he's a little late. About fifty years.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 20:08 | 5100400 zippy_uk
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Democracy fucked


Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:41 | 5099220 suteibu
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The US was never a democracy.  Why to so-called intelligent people keep saying this?

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:48 | 5099273 Urban Redneck
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The world is much bigger than just the USSA, but "democratically elected representative governments worldwide" sounds like verbal diarrhea (and pure bullshit from a serf's perspective) outside of academia or a policy paper.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 22:55 | 5099299 Dick Buttkiss
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Correct, it was a republic (accent on was), which protects the rights of the individual above all else, thereby prohibiting their violation by legislative of other means.

Democracy is just the tyranny of the majority, which is in fact a tool of the tiny minority that actually pulls the strings.

Or as Ben Franklin put it: "When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the Republic."

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:52 | 5099319 ebworthen
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Because "Constitutional Republic" can't get past the knee-jerk reactive Pavlovian circuits of the unwashed consumptive sound-bite masses.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:24 | 5099593 Freddie
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You are ALL Liars!   This weepy union boy is Wisconsin in telling us the truth because "Democracy died tonight!"   It may have been the end of his gold plated union pension as he knows it.


Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:06 | 5099388 Zoomorph
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Martin is definitely not intelligent, and ZeroHedge doesn't appear to be very smart either by publishing his articles. Half the other articles on here are just as bad. This place is a perfect example of nutty conspiracy theorists waving their hands and yelling hyperbolies about every insignificant event.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:12 | 5099427 Citxmech
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And yet here you are.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 21:16 | 5100662 Zoomorph
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My bullshit dectector is always on high alert while browsing, but there are certainly positive things about this place as well (IMO).

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 02:52 | 5101330 putaipan
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i been meanin' to do this for francis saywer..... might as well be now=

and to you rollling bear chen bearin'.... adios.


(i ain't gonna do a zh robin williams her...but the ignant cracker factor around here lately sure is creepy....)

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:13 | 5099436 SmallerGovNow2
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You are and ignorant nebbish...

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:45 | 5099630 Freddie
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Isn't the plural version of Hyperbole - hyperbole. 

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:23 | 5099796 Urban Redneck
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It certainly isn't hyperbolies (in any language).

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:08 | 5099401 kchrisc
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"The US was never a democracy.  Why to so-called intelligent people keep saying this?"

Because the pols, crats and their complicit media keep saying it over, and over, and over...

An American, not US subject.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 19:46 | 5100323 Kirk2NCC1701
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What if you're already a Subject of The Crown?

IOW, if you're a dual Canadian/US or Australian/US citizen, where the British Crown already has you as their Subject?  Who gets Dibs?  The US or The Crown?  ;-)

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 21:22 | 5100680 kchrisc
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I am an American.

"Who gets Dibs?" The one that kills me on the battlefield.

An American, not US subject.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:58 | 5099453 crazybob369
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Because there are very few truly intelligent people left. Our dumbed down educational system keeps drumming "democracy" into our heads from a very early age and most of us never figure out what democracy really is (2 wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner). A guy by the name of Adolph Hitler was a great fan of democracy, because he actually understood what he could do with it. I've posted this factoid before, but for the benefit of those who are unaware: Hitler was the democratically elected leader of Germany.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:28 | 5099520 rubiconsolutions
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"The US was never a democracy.  Why to so-called intelligent people keep saying this?"

The problem is that some libertarians are calling it that including Rand Paul who should know better. I've even heard Ron utter that contemptible word.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:42 | 5099222 Meat Hammer
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A little late to the dance, aren't you, Martin.  This has been going on for a bit.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:51 | 5099293 Silky Johnson
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You'll have to excuse the man, he was busy getting pounded in the big house. Despite that he knows the law enforcement situation intimately if you know what I mean.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:08 | 5099400 Ms. Erable
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Fuck you, Martin Armstrong - we're witnessing the collapse of centrally-planned fascism. Don't place this failure at the feet of the people that have been enslaved and victimized by it - you broke it, you own it, asshole.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:42 | 5099226 Beard of Zeus
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"Militaristic police"

You can't raise a growing non-white thug underclass and still have a 1950s-style Mayberry police force.

It doesn't work that way.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:44 | 5099242 Latina Lover
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Just hope, Beard of Zeus, that the Militaristic police don't turn on you when you refuse to give them your guns, your taxes, your home,  your sons for wars etc.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 19:51 | 5100333 Kirk2NCC1701
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Whaddya mean "give"!?  I thought we Leased the land and homes from our Feudal Masters (The State) and paid them taxes accordingly. 

If you don't pay, you get booted of the property and another paying Serf gets to rent it.

"Own".  What a quaint 18th century, Colonial idea.  /s

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:46 | 5099250 brombones
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You don't remember the episode where Barney pistol whipped the black guy?

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