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Martin Armstrong Warns "We Are Witnessing The Collapse Of Democracy"

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Submitted by Martin Armstrong via Armstrong Economics blog,

Part of the war cycle is just the general feeling or attitude shifts due to economics. We seem to be headed for such a fateful turn.

The police domestically have turned militaristic.

This is a very serious issue far beyond what most people would even guess. It tends to show the changing attitudes within society.

Couple this with Obama who seems to think he was elected to start a war. We are approaching a serious turning point that may reshape the world as did 1932 following the economic trend of the Great Depression.

The year 1932 saw Mao come to power in China. In Germany, Hitler came to power. FDR came to power in the United States. Even in Japan, the seeds of war were planted with the May 15 Incident, in which Prime Minister Tsuyoshi Inukai was assassinated by young military officers in an attempted coup. The killing spread fear among Japan’s liberal politicians and strengthened the militarists, who eventually led the country into the catastrophic Pacific War.

1932, which was also the low in the markets from 1929. The year 2007 began the changing process and we should be looking ahead now [for] the war cycle will turn upward.

We are witnessing the collapse of democracy or to put it in the proper perspective – the right of the people to vote even in a republic. Europe is hell-bent on removing any democratic process because Brussels believes they know best and the people are just too stupid to know what is best for them.

So 2007 marked the beginning of shift in attitude.

 

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Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:55 | 5099328 Sophist Economicus
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It is amazing how many 'arm-chair' analysts on this site don't get that simple point.       When the SHTF, it won't matter how many tanks, etc a police force has.   It will be over run.    i was involved in a 'war game' of this very issue over 15 years ago.      Those guys can only maintain a localized cordon.   In a true, run-amok situation, there would be a pullback and the innocent folks of the world had better be armed -- there won't be any quick fix to stopping an initial surge of violence until a first wave of massive bloodshed happens amongst the goons, 'civilans' and police/national guard.

 

Society has changed with too many folks with nothing to loose, no moral compass, mentally defective, and pent-up rage.    Barney Fife could only 'keep the peace' cause folks actually maintained it amongst themselves 

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:06 | 5099382 Dr. Richard Head
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True safety from outside danger by a police force is merely a perception of reality that can never truly be achieved.  As long as the slaves feel safe then the police can handle it.  It is when the slaves are afraid that they have nothing to lose the true perception of safety is shown for the lack thereof.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:11 | 5099425 Omen IV
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"Barney Fife could only 'keep the peace' cause folks actually maintained it amongst themselves "    TRUE STATEMENT

"Society has changed"  FALSE STATEMENT

The powers that be deliberately eliminated peoples jobs by the tens of millions and CHANGED society by design -  jobs are stability - no job no stability

WTO / Glass Steagall / Derivatives Legislation / No sales tax on Internet at expense of Main Street Proprietors -  all designed to concentrate cash flow, wealth and power.

Concentration yields a CHANGED society

just today in NYT the systems used for peak power distribution were gamed -  just like Enron in California -  now legally by hedge funds making peak power bets

easily could have -  ONLY participated  - producers of power in coop in buying group so profits offset losses in PUD rate pricing approvals - consumers are arbitraged  with systems to carve out demand -  concentrate electric power at inflection point 

all these actions by politicians were designed to change society

 

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 23:15 | 5100981 Freddie
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True.  This is what I toook from the Boston false flag BS and also to a lesser extent Sandy Hoax.

They can maintain a small area for 48 hours or so.  The overtime costs will kill it.  Also eventually people will turn on them including their neighbors.  They will have to make a choice early on.  Protect the family and homestead or the job.

The powers that be will use endless propaganda, false flags, biologicals, food-water-electricity cutoff and other basic services.

Hell - the Junta in Kiev and NWO is using phosphorus against Ukrainain citizens and shooting down airliners.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 03:03 | 5101336 putaipan
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22 green and no fucking reds! nope. people are good. they see this shit and when they all get a nanosecond of truth whispered in their ears and realize all at the same time the same fucking TRUTH....the little weazel baphomet worshipping tptb will be reduced to their new positions in life-the bowers that pee. no, they will not get their "pass for all eternal damnation and we were without sin" pass they are trying for....

 

(actually i don't know about that last part. above my paygrade.... but i'm thinkin' nope. suffering big time for a long time)

 

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:57 | 5099349 Silky Johnson
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Hope you're ready to garrison the motherfuckers at your place. Offer them your wife too they may take it easy on you. Spineless bitch.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:43 | 5099235 brombones
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We collapsed democracy on some folks....

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:44 | 5099237 gdiamond22
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Democracies always collapse when a citizenry is dumbed down, elites are in control, fiat currency is the medium of exchange and the law of the land is ignored (especially by those whom are elected to uphold it)

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:53 | 5099315 nortie
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We have been in that mode of decline since December 23, 1913.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:26 | 5099518 Rainman
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try 1776

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 18:07 | 5099949 Bullionaire
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- 10

Andrew Jackson will now haunt you until the end of your days.

So there.

http://politicalvelcraft.org/2013/07/24/i-killed-the-bank-president-andr...

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:46 | 5099245 Jack Sheet
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Dazzlingly mediocre blah as per usual, Mart. Why not tell us what your computer program predicts for the Dow next week?

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:45 | 5099246 ebworthen
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The Honorable Jon Corzine will lead us to a new Golden Age.

Corzine 2016!

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:49 | 5099276 JRobby
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He's a cunt. Definitely electable

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:46 | 5099251 pods
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I would say either 1913 or 1871 was the downfall of the Republic.

As for democracy, who cares.  Always end up in a dictatorship anyways..

End a currency created out of thin air by the Fed removes all this shit too.

You can't buy all these toys if you are flat ass broke!

pods

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:46 | 5099252 Payne
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What happens if Obama is assainated and Biden comes to power.  He can serve 2 terms as President !  Scary.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:31 | 5099536 Raymond K Hessel
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No.  He'd be able to finish the remainder of Obama's term and then have to run for election against Hillary.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:03 | 5099261 oudinot
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America's democracy collapsed at the same time as the twin towers; for out of their ashes came DHS, The Patriot Act, unfunded wars, drone attacks, NSA out of control, TSA...

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 08:57 | 5101625 shouldvekilledthem
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Fun fact: the US was a plutocracy long before 9/11

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:48 | 5099262 F0ster
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The police don't realize that they've been fattened up with military hardware and limited training for being lead to their slaughter in a civil war by the MIC. 

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:39 | 5099596 EBT excepted
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they will be increasing forced to steal property to finance maintenance of the hardware...  in NM, if you are pulled over, they can take your cash and your gold...

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:48 | 5099266 Doubleguns
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When they went from peace officer to law enforcement officers things changed rapidly. 

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:48 | 5099271 JRobby
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Police State

Police State

Police State

Incarcerate

Incarcerate

Incarcerate

Tune down a full step, 2 chords, turn it all the way up!!!!!!!!

 

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:19 | 5099474 Jab Cross Hook
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Then pawn your amp and buy MREs.. and an AR.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:39 | 5099854 Raging Debate
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JRobby - That reminded me or the robot from Lost in Space when it freaked out. "Warning, warning! Warning Will Robinson!"

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:48 | 5099272 kowalli
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democracy came from Athens, there it's means that masters can freely dispose of slaves

so usa have money slaves and masters- all ok

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:34 | 5099549 Raymond K Hessel
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Is today Retard Day at ZH?

Doesn't anyone read anymore?

You got one guy who doesn't understand what happens to a VP when the Prez is no longer "there" and now some ass-hat thinks democracy is Greek for 'masters can freely dispose of slaves'?

Fuck!  No wonder this country sucks now. It's filled with retards.

 

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:50 | 5099897 MedTechEntrepreneur
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Democracy died...really died....with the Chuck Hagel voting machine.  He isnt SecDef because he's a brilliant military man.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZoGbBsdbyY

 For the 2012 elections, ES&S (Chuck Hagels company) added wireless modem technology so officials could make secure reports via cell phones. This upgrade was designed to improve the transparency and accuracy of Oakland County's election night reporting. The wireless technology used by Oakland County was tested by a federally accredited Voting System Test Laboratory and subsequently tested and approved by the State of Michigan for pilot usage in the November 2012 presidential election.[10]  Wiki

 

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:58 | 5099277 Radical Marijuana
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"Democracy" died when the international bankers captured control over the public "money" supply. We are watching the runaway consequences of that unfold at an exponentially accelerating rate.

http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2014/08/15/collective-insanity-ii/

Collective Insanity II

Eight minute Podcast.

PEAK INSANITIES

That is a phrase I started using since April, 2014.

Collective insanities, surrounding Peak Everything Else, will manifest most significantly as Peak Insanity.

I attribute the basic mechanism driving Peak Insanity to be the ways that social successes were based on thousands of years of backing up deceits with destruction, through the history of warfare, then enforcing frauds, through the history of economics. Collective insanities are the longer term consequences of social success based upon the triumph of the biggest bullies' bullshit, due to the ways in which each short-term increment can develop on the basis of backing up lies with violence, so that those lies become the dominate social stories, which drive collective insanities towards PEAK INSANITIES.

Consider how the patterns of social successes based on enforced frauds works inside of the economic systems. The best organized gang of criminals, the international bankers, are the biggest gangsters, or the banksters, who were able to persistently apply the methods of organized crime to the political processes, such as bribery, intimidation, and assassination of those politicians who could otherwise not be bribed or intimidated, in order to establish systems of legalized lies backed by legalized violence. Private banks were allowed to make the public "money" supply out of nothing as debts, while that legalized counterfeiting was enforced by governments that demanded taxes be paid with that fiat money, which was deemed to be legal tender, despite the fact that such fiat money was inherently worthless. By those means, the entire political economy became based on enforced frauds, operated through fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting systems, which used "money" made out of nothing as debts to "pay" for everything. Meanwhile, the banksters and their buddies were also able to use their profits from frauds by reinvesting in more frauds. Those ruling classes were able to dominate the funding of the school systems, as well as take over control of the mass media, in order to apply the most scientific brainwashing that money could buy to the public, to teach and condition them to believe in bullshit, and to feel that they did not want to know any more radical truths.

In the real world, money was measurement backed by murder. That money system was the symbolic means to rob resources. However, for generation after generation, all of the ordinary people living inside of those systems gradually adapted to that on-going situation, because they could be more socially successful if they agreed with bullshit, while they would be less successful if they did not agree with bullshit. The systems of carrots and sticks rewarded people for agreeing with lies, while punished people who did not agree with lies. Everyone inside of that society became successful in proportion to how well they performed as professional liars and immaculate hypocrites. Therefore, the entire society was driven to become more insane, because everything was based on Huge Lies, backed with Lots of Violence, which constantly drove the vicious spirals of more of those, despite that enforcing frauds never makes those frauds stop being fundamentally false. The runaway social successes from enforced frauds suffers from the problem that no amount of Violence ever makes the Lies become true, no matter how much Violence is used, for how long, to back up those Lies. Those lies are able to dominate society, as systems of organized lies operating robberies, while the lies always become bigger, and require more violence to back those lies up, but that works less well over time, because of the constantly growing gaps between relatively objective reality versus the social systems based on triumphant systems of lies. Cognitive dissonance goes into hyper-drive, as the debt slavery systems generate numbers which become debt insanities, which are tending towards provoking death insanities.

Human history has selected for societies to be driven to become more and more psychotically insane, due to the sequence of the short-term triumphs of backing up lies with violence creating social systems based on the biggest bullies' bullshit, where everyone became proportionately successful on the basis of how well they could bullshit. Gradually, the established systems of enforced frauds were driven further and further away from any more objective sense of reality, based on more rational evidence, and logical arguments, because the actual social reality was based on backing up lies with violence, which had become enormous integrated systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence. Societies became based on runaway systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, so that the debt controls became based on the maximum possible frauds, while the death controls became based on the maximum possible deceits.

There hidden levels behind how and why the history of warfare became situations where success was based on deceits, and so spies were the most important soldiers, and the history of finance became enforced frauds, wherein mainstream economists became intellectual mercenaries, paid proportionately to how well they could spout bullshit that the biggest bullies, the banksters, would approve of. However, those levels of deeper truths are just as deliberately denied and ignored by the controlled opposition groups, which the biggest bullies allowed to develop, within the frame of reference of the same basic bullshit view of the world.

Human society is becoming more and more psychotically insane, while the only theoretical cures would be more radical truth. However, BOTH the established systems, AND their controlled opposition, dislike more radical truths, and continue to deliberately deny and ignore any rational evidence and logical arguments which would lead them to conclusions that they do not like. Looking at that social situation, for decades I have been speaking about the need for some "social psychiatry." However, for several years now I have gradually been forced to accept the apparently unavoidable conclusions that our globalized society is so totally dominated by collective insanities that there is practically nothing which can stop the final results being the psychotic breakdowns of those systems. All of the collective insanities are headed towards Peak Insanities, along with Peak Everything Else.

As the Podcast rant linked above stated, it appears that our collective insanities have been jumping up by quanta, like multiplying by orders of magnitude, and it is in that context, of observing the total amount of collective insanities apparently doubling and doubling, that several months ago I started to use the phrase Peak Insanity, to describe the probable future, where the level of collective insanities finally peaks, along with peak everything else. After that, all of the same range of possible doomsday scenarios apply to what happens after we reach Peak Insanity, like they do with whatever may happen after Peak Oil, and so on, and so forth ???

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:46 | 5099638 medium giraffe
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Peak insanity, that way MADness lies.

The smartphone is a fantastic example of our collective insanity.

The mobile phone network has created a sea of microwave radiation.  Emissions that interfere with our abiltiy to produce Melatonin, our greatest naturally produced anti-cancer compound.  These emissions also interfere with electorchemical DNA signalling, a mechanism we are only just starting to understand.  Artificial high powered electromagnetism affects the magnetite containing navigation cells that organisms (including ourselves!) use to navigate.

The devices themselves are subject to the whims of fashion and 'growth'.  We no longer keep a device that is servicable and adequate, rather, we discard the old device in lieu of a 'better' device a mere 12 or 24 months later.  This behaviour is driven by corporations whose only focus is on growing larger, creating more profit, selling more devices, with no end in sight.  There is no end, there is only MOAR.  It is as if we have created a perfect system for wasting the world's valuable resources as quickly as possible, whilst producing tons of toxic landfill just as quickly.  The 24 months of intervening ownership hardly seems relevent.

This example is applicable to most of our consumer goods in one way or another.

 

We are the victims of our own egos.  We fail to realise the truth - that we are not our childish egos that cause us fear and urge us to into acts of inhumanity.  We spend most of our life relying on the reptillian impulses of our incredible triune brain.  We have the facility to overcome animalistic responses, yet we fail to elevate ourselves above them. 

Because of this, we will fail the test before us.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:02 | 5099717 Radical Marijuana
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Yeah, I agree.  The smartphone "example is applicable to most of our consumer goods in one way or another."

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 18:11 | 5099967 samsara
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Fantastic stuff RM.  That should be a post by itself.

I think the conclusions on nearly every facet is that There is no Fixing.  There is only Colapse(fast/slow) for a level setting.

So Gird yourselves and your families as best you can.

Heres a map of the US with 300 mi circles from cities with 100 thousand or more.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wrouTh5x9_w/U-1Iw0ZLOkI/AAAAAAAAZGQ/V51JO3cmHe...

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 01:46 | 5101182 Radical Marijuana
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Quite an interesting map, samsara!

P.S.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1s1DOUNA-g

PEAK DUMB

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:49 | 5099279 Meat Hammer
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What's Armstrong talking about??!!  There are democracy bombs being dropped all over the place.  Iraq has been democratized like a mutha fucka!  

And now we're bringing good ol' American democracy to Ukraine!  

 

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:52 | 5099318 George Washington
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Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:59 | 5099359 ebworthen
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"Love bomb, love bomber
It's a comin' on strong
I can't take it any longer
Come a rockin' through your door
Cruisin' the sky, let's fly
Blowin' all night and day
Open your bays, get ready, it's bombs away!"

If only we spent our energies on this kind of bombing versus killing each other.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eii2P1rUYEs

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 09:34 | 5101657 Atomizer
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You need a bomb equipped unicorn flying in the rainbow backdrop. Don't forget the Kenyan manning the unicorn. 

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:50 | 5099286 DOGGONE
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The people are severely fooled by the Establishment:
http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886

MAYBE they are realizing reality?

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:52 | 5099312 smacker
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"So 2007 marked the beginning of shift in attitude."

It maybe that 2007 marked a serious upwards shift, but I would argue that the early stages of this change began in the early 90s. In the UK, Tony Blair's election in 1997 provided confirmation. He was a fascist in the Mussolini mould.

I'm on record back in 1994 saying:

"Fascism is on the rise in Europe. Only this time they won't be wearing military fatigues and goosestepping. It'll be Armani suits and dining at the best restaurants."

What I see happening now in the US, UK, EU exactly matches my earlier prediction.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:38 | 5099585 Raymond K Hessel
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You just made a bingo!

Fascism.  It's a political system invented by a journalist who was named after Benito Jaurez, a communist.

Or, if you're a full fucking illiterate retard, you would say 'crony capitalism' because to call it fascism would require an education earned outside of Sesame Street.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:53 | 5099321 LawsofPhysics
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Democracy or Republic?  Choose wisely.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:05 | 5099381 smacker
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I would favour a strong Constitutional Republic with democratic government elected under its supervision.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:06 | 5099393 morning
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We have that here in Portugal, but the Constitution itself is socialist. What then?

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:21 | 5099478 smacker
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Throw it out and write a new one?

Remember: a Constitution is owned by the people, not the ruling elites. Only the people shall decide its contents.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:43 | 5099606 Raymond K Hessel
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Remember, regardless of what form of government you chose, a government will take a life of its own.  It doesn't belong to the people any more than it belongs to the ruling elites.

That's why you limit the fuck out of it.  

You treat it with the same kindness and mistrust you'd treat your own junkie brother.  You take care of it but you don't put up with its bullshit and lies because it would just take one hit of power to ruin years of sobriety.

That's government.  What it's not is anything refering in anyway to 'people shall decide its contents'

BTW, it's clearly Retard Day at ZH.  Enjoy the stupidity.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:32 | 5099827 smacker
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Wrong.

A proper Constitution owned by the people should have a process in place for its supervision to ensure that no government can ignore it or override it. Penalties for doing that should be severe.

I realise that this does not happen in the United States but that does not mean the Constitution is wrong, only that its application has a flaw.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 18:55 | 5100121 falconflight
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That flaw flows directly from the People, and their intellectual slough and moral apathy.  

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 19:58 | 5100360 smacker
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Sadly, yes.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 18:37 | 5100063 Professorlocknload
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Yup, Raymond.

Powerful servant, but fearful master. And now that it creates it's own (dishonest) money, instead of needing to beg the people for subsistence, it's in charge.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 18:01 | 5099931 Who was that ma...
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... In theory.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:56 | 5099339 Seasmoke
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I knew we were finished when I saw the sheep in Boston run outside chanting USA USA USA after basically Martial Law was imposed to find TWO people. That's when I knew. :(

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:43 | 5099613 Raymond K Hessel
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I felt the same way.

People just gave up the rights or cowed to the threat of force.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:57 | 5099698 negative rates
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Either that or they already knew how evil the place can get and simply stayed away until things cooled down, as they always do.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:58 | 5099346 Peter Pan
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They count your votes but your votes don't count.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:59 | 5099352 Rainman
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American democracy was created by the prosperous with the support of the slightly prosperous who were used as buffers against the Indians, the blacks and the very poor whites. Patriotism is about keeping control with a minimum of coercion....since 1776.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 18:52 | 5100109 falconflight
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Howard Zinn!

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 09:05 | 5101633 Rainman
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+ 1 . ....." people have so many different notions of what a Marxist is " !

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:59 | 5099356 undercover brother
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1. From bondage to spiritual faith,
2. From spiritual faith to great courage,
3. From courage to liberty,
4. From liberty to abundance,
5. From abundance to complacency,
6. From complacency to apathy,
7. From apathy to dependence,
8. From dependence back into bondage.

Where are we now folks?

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:03 | 5099375 SmallerGovNow2
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7-8

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:44 | 5099621 Raymond K Hessel
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Awesome. Who said that first, John Adams?  Brilliant!

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:49 | 5099893 Raging Debate
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Hessel - That would be a Scottish, late 18th century historian that studied governments named Alexander Tytler.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:39 | 5099589 photonsoflight
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$17,000,000,000,000.00+ in government bonds and $100.000.000.000,000.00+ in unfunded liabilitys = bondage on a scale never dreampt before. The ancient pharaohs have nothing on the federal government. Maybe that is why there is a pyramid on the dollar?

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 18:13 | 5099971 Accounting101
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Oh Christ! Bonds and unfunded liabilities. You are a walking tool that represents exactly what Armstrong is writing about.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 15:59 | 5099357 Bill of Rights
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Good and take political correctness with it.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:00 | 5099363 smcapmachine
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dear lord people.   If you don't like the US, then move.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:05 | 5099385 Bill of Rights
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US? Since when.. The states are not calling the shots the federal government is IE: " you didn't create that business "

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:10 | 5099414 Peter Pan
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I guess that's why Snowden moved.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:18 | 5099468 danpos
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dear lord people, if ya don't like the US, then join ISIS.  yeehaw!

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:27 | 5099811 atthelake
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Most of us love America. It's the murderously, corrupt politicians we can't stand.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:35 | 5099839 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

dear lord people.   If you don't like the US, then move.

How about we get rid of the problem by evicting the US from America instead?

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 18:38 | 5100069 falconflight
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Me thinks your comment isn't genuine, just throwing a bomb.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 07:43 | 5101536 Farqued Up
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Some people are forced to pay more tax in a single year than the average citizen of the USA will EARN in a lifetime. Who do you think should leave?

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:08 | 5099404 viedoklis_lv
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US police is trained in Israel.

There they are tought to look at people as terorists.

Because for Israel all palestinians are terorists.

So now, when you look in TV and thought that - ou my poor palestinians, just what they have to suffer under Israel occupation. Well, you let that injustes go on that side of the world and not it knocks at your door.

http://youtu.be/hOr5dIuQjPg

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 21:38 | 5100727 messystateofaffairs
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And thats how America will get payback for being Jew lapdogs (goyim in Jewish) and helping them foist their tyranny on the Palestinians and the world.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:09 | 5099411 Perimetr
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I am shocked, shocked to learn we are witnessing the collapse of demcracy!!!

Gee, the next thing you know, we will be a police state!

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:10 | 5099420 nobodysfool
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"We Are Witnessing The Collapse Of Democracy"... Nah it's just a bump in the road. Move along nothing to see here...I'm playing golf tomorrow at 9:00 am.
Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:12 | 5099426 I am on to you
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The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important  element in" democratic society!

King of spin,1928,Edward,, Torch of freedom,American Fruits and so forth ,,Bernays.

There aint ,nor ever was,democracy,just plain hipocracy.

 

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:12 | 5099432 yogibear
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It was understood that a democracy fails, it why you pledged to a republic.

 

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

In 1923, the words, "the Flag of the United States of America" were added. At this time it read:

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

In 1954, in response to the Communist threat of the times, President Eisenhower encouraged Congress to add the words "under God," creating the 31-word pledge we say today. Bellamy's daughter objected to this alteration. Today it reads:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 07:38 | 5101530 Farqued Up
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I will not pledge allegiance to any flag made in China, and only to the Constitutional Republic, which has been diluted out of existence, almost. "In a deterioating situation, only the undesirable remain". That's a dressed up version of the old engineering and construction adage, "when the shit hits the fan only the shit stays". It will either somehow correct itself or it will approach critical mass and vacate the premises. Flip a coin, it can go either way, it hasn't been decided, only trending badly. 

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:14 | 5099434 yogibear
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Don't know what Barry pledges to.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:15 | 5099442 stutes33
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Garbage.....pro.pa.gan.da.  Period.  

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:19 | 5099467 GaryTheSnail
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Dude this ain't Freshmen college writing.  You're not going for "page count" here.  This could have been summarized in roughly two to three sentences.  Making it go on that long just makes you sound like Charles Manson.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:22 | 5099486 JuliaS
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Democracy demands compliance with the will of the majority, real or perceived. In a direct democracy there's at least some degree of connection between those passing rules and those being affected. In a representative democracy you trust a representative to relay the information back and forth regarding what the majority is and what it wants. The whole idea behind lobbyists is to take wealthy minorities and present them as large groups worthy of priviledge.

Well, if you value individual rights, like I do, then no form of democracy is favorable, when a Republic (which we were supposed to be all along) offers a much better alternative.

A republic is similar to democracy, as it allows voting, but it defines things that cannot be voted on. It recognizes all rights as being derived from property, main of which being: life (human body) and land.

Without being able to own yourself or the land you stand on, you cannot own anything else. Every other form of ownership becomes an illusion - a set of temporary permissions revokable at any time.

In a democracy anything can be voted on. A life can be voted away, every possession eliminated or transferred. In a democracy if someone comes up to you and says: "I'm with the people", you're supposed to comply. That's the democratic principle - compliance with the will.

In a constitutional republic, if your rights come first and if you see someone attempting to limit yours, you have the full right to (quoting Carlin), shoot the fuck and walk away.

I love the Bill of Rights and The Constitution. I think they are as valid as ever - every syllable.

Sure, rules are human constructs. Rights aren't god given, since there is no god. It is all bullshit. Rights are convenient ideas invented at certain stages in human evolution. That, however, doesn't make them any less valid in the current situtation. Rights work, so they should be protected.

Democracy masquerades as a Republic and it is similar, but different in areas where it matters the most.

Only problem with restoration of the Republic, if it does take place, is that no property is currenly in possession of original owners. Everything's stolen many times over. To take direct possession would mean to violate the very principle of the foundation. How do you take things back? Do you burn everything to the ground and start over? Do you host a lottery? How do you get property and land back in the hands of the people without doing exactly what the current system does?

To that I do not have an answer.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:47 | 5099636 LawsofPhysics
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Are you fucking kidding me.  It's in the public record, we know who the "arsonists" were that "destroyed the financial system" and rule of law.  I can look around my community and tell you who the good stewards of land and property are.  Moreover, there is no reward (restoration of a republic or rule of law) without sacrifice.  Nature and the laws of physics have been very clear on this point for billions of years.

personally, I think everyone would be satisfied in simply seeing some real fucking consequences for bad behavior for a change.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:01 | 5099708 negative rates
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If it is the will of the people, it shall be done, goes a long way in her world.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 18:08 | 5099958 rwe2late
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JuliaS

You do not have an answer because you began

with a faulty premise that "property rights" must be inviolable,

and that current notions of "property" are readily and properly applicable to land, water, other species, etc.

(And perhaps also with a bias that all property must/may be privatized, individually owned)

 

Currently defined "property rights" must be violated, and must be redefined.

Notions about "property" are over generalized, and "property rights" misapplied.

All "property" is not the same.  Not everything in this world can or should be deemed "property". 

"Property rights" have to do with privilege, access and use. There can be individual or private

property. But there can also be public  or common property and public rights.

 

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 18:15 | 5099981 falconflight
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All private property rights are under siege and subject to conversion by gov't in various ways for the 'greater good.'  It is a given that private and public interests are competing factions.  

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 18:31 | 5100040 JuliaS
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They may not respect our rights, but their rigths are paramount. They want a double set of rules and there lies the whole problem. No matter how imperfect and flawed laws are, half the justice is making sure they apply equally to everyone. When they don't - it's lawlessness, it's anarchy. Ferguson is anarchy top down.

Not bottom up. Top down!

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 18:50 | 5100105 falconflight
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Any nation whose various governments actually pass tens of thousands of laws per annum is an authoritarian state, not a liberty-individual rights based Republic.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 02:43 | 5101315 beaglebog
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Government simply cannot exist without there being "two sets of rules".

 

If you must have a government, the very best you can hope for is that it is benign.

 

 

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 19:07 | 5099990 JuliaS
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Good point. It got me thinking what was different about the times of the Founders compared to ours. I say the rules were written for the times and falsely assume the all still apply, when in reality the don't actually.

The Founders were faced with an almost unlimited abundance of newly discovered and untamed resources - more land than could be put to immediate use by any inhabitant. To them "America" was a new planet, in comparison to fully divided and distributed land of Western Europe from which American settlers originated. They were a contrast to the colonial Britain and their laws were a way of saying: "This is how this place is different. What works for you does not work for us."

Simply due to population density being different today, the rights, perhaps, need to be re-examned and their validity questioned.

Property does sound convenient. It is a foundation of a system in which the Founders lived, but today, when land is actually in short supply, overexhausted through modernized cultivation methods... when water is no longer plentiful, when clean air is no longer a nature's guarantee, maybe the rights are outdated.

Maybe "access priviledge" is as good as it gets in the modern society - as close to rights as we can have it without inconveniencing others.

Maybe the modern republic is a blend of the original and this semi-democracy. Maybe an increasing number of inconveniences is unavoidable and should be encorporated into the norm.

That's even more questions than I started with, but still I gravitate towards the notion that our system should resemble the original system a lot more than it does. We can and should be more of a Constitutional Republic envisioned and less of a Democracy thrown upon us without our permission. Don't know about you, but I haven't agreed to this democracy. Most rules that originate under the current system do not benefit me... and don't even benefit the majority democracy supposedly protects. We call it a democracy, but in reality it's not even that. It is much much worse.

Let's agree at least on one thing.

What we have is broken beyond repair and has to change. Not all lessons of the past are writeoffs. It's worth borrowing from the past in order to build a better future. The constitution did work and it will work again. If corrections are needed - that's what the Ammendment mechanism is for. Free speech, right to bear arms - they're ammendments. Those work fine.

... now the 16th - don't even get me started on that one.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 03:19 | 5101347 putaipan
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to the beat of 'exodus' bob marley ....

" bring us another Henry George !" .....

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 18:09 | 5099961 falconflight
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Fri, 08/15/2014 - 18:10 | 5099962 falconflight
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The revolutionary nature of the Bill of Rights is premised upon the concept of natural rights...God given, inalienable rights...that can neither be given nor taken by a gov't of men.  

Take God out of it, and you are right back to men can give and take on a whim.  

Disclosure:  Atheist.  I would trust a devoted biblically-based Christian before a human secularist.  Of course, trust no one to protect what in the end is our own responsibility to protect individually and within voluntary associations.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 03:24 | 5101350 putaipan
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athiest schmathiest......

just don't go corporatizing by being and offering it as a bond under maritme law issued by the crown to the vatican!

I AM THE NATURAL MAN !

OH SHIT THAT GOT ME ON SOME KIND LIST.

 

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:40 | 5099598 viedoklis_lv
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"Rights aren't god given, since there is no god"

I think various people have different definition of this word and meaning to it.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 18:05 | 5099943 JuliaS
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Well, my meaning is that rights are invented by men - here and now, to suit the times in which we're living. Regardless of what meaning is given to the word "god", I disagree with all of them. The origin of rights is the desire to co-exist productively. If we all had our individual planets... or to paraphrase Asimov - if we lived in an apartment where every tennant had his own bathroom, there'd be no need for "rights" or "priviledges". They're an idea coming out co-habitation in relative, but not absolute resource abundance.

Rights are man-made and like the men themselves, are temporary ideas. They, however were good for the time they were invented and they are still good today.

Rights - not given, not received, not born with, not entitled with... simply agreed upon, recognized and respected.

As Carlin observed, if rights were "god-given" deriving from a higher authority or some universal principle, then every country would've had the same set of rights. Every bill of rights would've looked the same, yet it never does. Why? Because rights are just man-made ideas. Hence the whole dilemma with restoration of Constitutional Republic. It does involve a huge portion of hypocricy at least during the transition period...

... much like the establishment of this very country on an already inhabited continent centuries ago.

To "own" land we first had to steal it from people who lived under a different set of rules and values, where the idea of "ownership" was quite alien to begin with - where "individualism" had an entirely different meaning.

This whole legal and metaphisical lattice of concepts is quite a mess, regardless of many attempts to put it all writing and solidify in the form of documents such as "The Bill of Rights" and "The Constitution".

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:46 | 5099625 Rebel Ape
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Mao took power in 1949, not 1932. 

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 16:51 | 5099661 Burticus
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"Remember, democracy never lasts long.  It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself.  There is never a democracy that did not commit suicide." - John Adams

This is the reason the framers of the U.S. constitution did not mention the word "democracy" in any of our founding documents.  They chose the rule of law under a republic..."if (as Ben Franklin said) you can keep it." 

Armstrong should know the difference.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:05 | 5099732 midtowng
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Mao didn't come to power until 1948. FDR and Hitler took poweer in 1933.

How sloppy can you get

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:21 | 5099773 TomGa
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Yeah, so Martin,  the U.S. is not a "democracy" and never has been one, so how can our so-called "democracy" be collapsing?  Our republic, however,  collapsed a long time ago. At this stage, the U.S. is basically an oligarchy.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 07:04 | 5101497 Farqued Up
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I think to be consistent with the -cracy suffix we should call it a PLUTOCRACY. Oligarchy definitely fits the definition ticket as well.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:23 | 5099794 HeavydutyMexica...
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I wish all you hill billies would go out with some dignity.  All this crying and bitching is so embarrasing to watch.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:57 | 5099913 Ginsengbull
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DIGnity sounds too much like dig.

 

We don't dig.

 

You dig.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 18:43 | 5100083 falconflight
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And considering his/her telling user ID, he/she can mow and edge as well.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 07:00 | 5101492 Farqued Up
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Don't watch.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 08:41 | 5101597 Polymarkos
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Kill yourself, Mexitrash. It's the right thing to do.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:23 | 5099798 jacship
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wE   haven't seen nothing yet

wait for the EBT system failure

THE END

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:26 | 5099804 orangegeek
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odd article

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:28 | 5099815 NuYawkFrankie
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Truly shocking news!

Thanks for the "heads up" Mr Armstrong!

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:36 | 5099840 Paracelsus
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ISIS is Sunni muslim.

The Saudi/Qatari money backing them is Sunni.

The Saudis know the USA is vulnerable through currency devaluation like never before.

The Saudis prop up the USA with the PetroDollar exchange mechanism.

The Israelis like the oil coming from the new Kurdish state now in development.It is unlikely they would allow this to end.

The Iranians are the only country to acknowledge Nuclear Weapons development. (Aside from the Israelis....).

The Turks once would start chewing the carpet when someone mentioned the future establishment of a Kurdish nation.

 

Something in the historical sense has been lost in the media these days.

When I think back to the cold war days,it struck me that the Powers U-2 flight was from Incirclik,Turkey

to Peshawar,Pakistan.This was the 1960's era. Here we go again.....

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:42 | 5099864 beaglebog
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Nope, I still can't see it.

 

Why do you need any fucking politicians?   Even a single one.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:55 | 5099910 Ginsengbull
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If I can pay bills, buy and sell stocks, and do my banking online, I should be able to vote online.

 

Ooops, that "secret ballot" is the technicality they need to keep that from happening.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:42 | 5099870 Moccasin
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It maybe the end of "representative democracy", maybe no more bribe-ocracy or kleptocracy but it is not necessarily the end of other forms of democracy. We may end up in a totalitarian state for a period of time, however, I am hopeful that Direct Democracy with a bill of rights that can protect minorities from a majority of tyranny will emerge. Yes, i am idealistic because I hate our dystopia. If all else fails give me Anarcho-Syndicalism or Anarchy as Bakunin envisioned it. If everything fails, 40 acres and a gun is just another dystopia that I will hate and live with because that is where I am at today. :)

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 18:34 | 5100049 Lea
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"I am hopeful that Direct Democracy with a bill of rights that can protect minorities from a majority of tyranny will emerge".

Personnally, I'd prefer a Direct Democracy that would do its job: protect the majority against the tyranny of a wealthy minority (the first and foremost reason democracy was instituted in the first place - to protect the weak against the whims of the powerful by giving a voice to everyone). The Founding Fathers (who were all slave-owners and feared the people), however, did a very good job at stifling every possibility of that ever happening in the USA. You can't bribe a whole population, but what about pressuring a tiny bunch of electors? Wouldn't that be a piece of cake?

That system guaranteed America was a plutocracy from day one.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:45 | 5099877 flyonmywall
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Hah ! Democracy? You never had democracy, and neither did most of the world.

I know people in the Eastern Bloc who long for the days when the Iron Curtain was actually up. They call those the "good ol' days". You were fucked, but at least they used some lube and the commies actually gave everyone a job to do. At least you had something. Now they have nothing, not even real money or real food.

Similarly, people in the US call the 50's and 60's the good ol' days. Now, you have the USSA & Gestapo hybrid, all rolled into one, run by the Goebbles media.

We have gone full retard.

 

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:49 | 5099894 reader2010
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Democracy? What democracy? Every economic, political, Social, religious and cultural institution of this country is built with top-down control,  which means walls to exclude people from decision-making process. 

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 17:58 | 5099917 falconflight
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Wait a minute now, this is a democratically elected government, and most people are satisfied with their gov't bribes.  Just because there is a small cadre of committed aware people who are quite correct in their analysis and conclusion of our improving dystopia, it doesn't change the fact that our gov't is a reflection of the masses.  

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 18:00 | 5099927 Who was that ma...
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Democracy is tyranny.  Democracy and liberty are polar opposites.  Under Democracy, government grows, slowly at first, and then exponentially until it smothers all of us under a mountain of freedom-stifling laws, rules, regulations, taxes, and beaurocracy.   One of our Founding Fathers greatest fears was that our proud Constitutional Republic would someday deteriorate into corruption and Democracy.  Their worst fears have now been realized..

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 18:45 | 5100089 falconflight
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++

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 19:57 | 5100361 synsolve
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Right on!

Madison said:

Democracy is the most vile form of government; 

democracies have ever 

been spectacles of turbulence and contention: 

have ever been found 

incompatible with personal security or the rights of property: 

and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent 

in their deaths.

 

To which Franklin added: "That is why we gave you a Republic...if you can keep it."

 

 

 

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 18:14 | 5099973 q99x2
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Democracy in the western world doesn't exist. Things are controlled out of Brussels. When they decide to take away the facade the SHTF.

Boom, unless of course we get the individuals responsible in a head lock first.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 18:17 | 5099986 migra
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We are not witnessing the fall of democracy. We are witnessing a bunch of self entitiled thugs getting their asses handed to them.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 18:23 | 5100019 I Write Code
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In ancient Rome
There was a poem
About a dog
Who found two bones
He picked at one
He licked the other
He went in circles
He dropped dead

Freedom of choice
Is what you got
Freedom from choice
Is what you want

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 18:29 | 5100034 sleigher
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"people are just too stupid to know what is best for them"

Precisely why we had a republic.  Go ahead and be stupid all you want, just don't fuck with anyone else.  Exactly the way it should be.

 

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 18:51 | 5100108 1 over Infinity
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You are free to vote for whom ever  the media picks.

 

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 19:14 | 5100177 steelrules
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Your only a Republic if everyone knows what that even means, sadly for the US, not so much any more.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 20:30 | 5100356 TomGa
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Watch for escalating attacks on private property rights. That's what progressives / communists always attack.

 

An except from Daniel Webster's "The Plymouth Oration", 1820:

"The nature and constitution of society and government in this country are interesting topics, to which I would devote what remains of the time allowed to this occasion. Of our system of government the first thing to be said is, that it is really and practically a free system. It originates entirely with the people and rests on no other foundation than their assent. To judge of its actual operation, it is not enough to look merely at the form of its construction. The practical character of government depends often on a variety of considerations, besides the abstract frame of its constitutional organization. Among these are the condition and tenure of property; the laws regulating its alienation and descent; the presence or absence of a military power; an armed or unarmed yeomanry; the spirit of the age, and the degree of general intelligence. In these respects it cannot be denied that the circumstances of this country are most favorable to the hope of maintaining a government of a great nation on principles entirely popular. In the absence of military power, the nature of government must essentially depend on the manner in which property is holden and distributed. There is a natural influence belonging to property, whether it exists in many hands or few; and it is on the rights of property that both despotism and unrestrained poppular violence ordinarily commence their attacks. Our ancestors began their system of government here under a condition of comparative equality in regard to wealth, and their early laws were of a nature to favor and continue this equality.

A republicon form of government rests not more on political constitutions, than on those laws which regulate the descent and transmission of property. Governments like ours could not have been maintained, where property was holden according to the principles of the feudal system; nor, on the other hand, could the feudal constitution possibly exist with us. Our New England ancestors brought hither no great capitals from Europe; and if they had, there was nothing productive in which they could have been invested."

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 20:03 | 5100375 synsolve
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Madison said of democracy:

Democracy is the most vile form of government... 

democracies have ever 

been spectacles of turbulence and contention, 

have ever been found 

incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; 

and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent 

in their deaths.

To which Franklin added: "That is why we gave you a Republic...if you can keep it."

 

 

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 20:22 | 5100462 Canucklehead
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The police are militarized because the general population is not responsible for their actions. Some do not like that the police are militarized, whereas others are glad they are.

This militarization is the result of the Balkanization of the US society.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 20:56 | 5100593 numapepi
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That the elite would have to become ever more draconian in their punishments and surveillance is as predictable as the sunrise. Confucius said people follow their leaders into corruption or virtue. Since our leaders are so corrupt and we are following them, despotic government is the only way the can envision to keep us from following them further...

Read about the solution to the deficiencies of human government in my book, The Fourth Branch. The first 80% is free!

Here: https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/277193

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 21:03 | 5100619 The Magus
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Fri, 08/15/2014 - 21:15 | 5100657 messystateofaffairs
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Is democracy the right of a majority of sheeple to sell their own and other peoples freedom in exchange for confiscated and redistributed lucre? Or is it a set of immutable freedom principles that cannot be undone by any majority vote? Even if it were to be the latter freedom would not hold because sheeple just can't resist a free lunch and cunning slavers will always find a way to sneak them into the pen.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 23:31 | 5101011 TrustbutVerify
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The citizens initiative and individualism is increasingly being bought off by government checks and promises of security with more assurance of government checks in the future.  But even the increasing number of those on the monetary and psychological dole sweat with worry about whether it can really work.  Ask yourself, can you ever trust the dope pusher?  In this case, the drug primarily being a monetary heroin an the age of burgeoning deficits, debt, a hollowed out economy, astoundingly excessive retirement promises, and falling education levels. 

You tell me.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 23:59 | 5101088 Bunga Bunga
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Americans are easy to trick. In Ferguson they just put the same police guys in different uniforms the next day and the protestors behaved like sheeples. A dictator's wet dream.  

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 00:13 | 5101109 royal
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Good news, because a democracy is one of the worst forms of government you can have.

The Founders HATED Democracy, thus why they made the United States a REPUBLIC.

Now, if someone will just remind the politicians this...

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 00:26 | 5101131 Hohum
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Guys, don't worry, you'll get democracy one day.  You just won't have a car or travel in a plane.  Enjoy where you are.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 00:32 | 5101138 Atomizer
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Good, we can restore the United States Republic. Democracy was a Global elite plan gone tit's up. Fuck off cunts! You will lose every fake USD dollar that you thought would broaden personal net worth. 

We will recoin the USD, you will absorb the derivatives obligations. Your signature is on the contract, not ours. 

We never signed the contract, again you did. We have no responsibility to fulfill the massive amount of debt you incurred without our consent. 

You're stuck with it, suck it up puppets. Coughs, you signed into a binding contract under your name only. Liability falls on your shoulders. 

I.e, if I get a parking ticket, do you pay for my fine? Nope, I do. Hence the above stated. 

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 00:46 | 5101158 Atomizer
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Simple UCC code. Without my signature, no debt obligations. Eat crow dumb fucks.

http://legalsolutions.thomsonreuters.com/law-products/Uniform-Laws-Annot...

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 11:31 | 5102052 Ban KKiller
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The man hates it when you use the rules.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 00:58 | 5101175 Skargit
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Call me naive, but I just don't get it...

I know this is my frist post here (long-time lurker) but there seems to be some serious cognitive dissonace going on at current time.

So we can agree that this Brown kid, if this video is true, is a thug. Fine. No issue with that statement.
We can agree that, if this video is true, comitted (albeit mimimal) aggressive robbery. Fine.

Here's the thing... I could give a shit about this kid. That's the honest truth. But what I do care about is seeing police officers armed like commados and behaving as if they were the brown-shirts. That's what I truly care about.

Whether the protests that came forth were right or wrong, whether they had validity in action is anathema to the point; a citizen, no matter what colour (or degree of understanding) has the right to self-expression... and what we witnessed here was the brutal onslaught of the jack-booted ruffians we allow to exist in today's Western culture.

The Bundy Ranch (again, agree or not with the principle of the thing) showed a populace (white 2nd ammendment-understanding patriots) defending a fellow citizen from a borderline totalitarian government-owned strike force. In Ferguson, we have poor, uneducated and under-equipped blacks standing up for what they believe (right or wrong <- and this doesn't matter).

All that matters is your RIGHT to have your voice heard.. your RIGHT to self-expression and your RIGHT to not be accosted by government-owned soliders on your native soil.

TL;DR?--- who care about some douche nozzle gangster? What really matters is the police response- black, white, yellow... who gives a fuck- it's just further divide and conquer tacts by TPTB

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 09:17 | 5101638 tinsmith
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Skargit, I tend to agree with most of what you wrote.

but there is a difference between the two incidents.  One is an example of citizens directly confronting the aggressors, while the other is an example of lawless destructive behavior being aimed in the wrong direction.  Looting a convenience store and destroying bus stops is not standing up to tyranny.  it is throwing a tantrum.  were the violence in Fergusson directed elsewhere then there might be a comparisson.

this is not to imply that there would not be risk to life and limb for those directly confronting the shock troops, and goodness knows i am not suggesting it would be a simple or easy decision to make.  but we can not equate the actions of two groups of protestors simply because the trigger is the same or because the incidents both contain elements of an overbearing militarized State.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 11:56 | 5102131 Skargit
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I agree with you whole-heartidly on that- was drinking heavily and ticked off before actually posting in fight club; had some patriotic rage going.

That said, the acts of a few moronic free-loaders and shameful looters brought something to the forefront: how ridiculously well armed and callous the government's police forces now are...everywhere. I guess while I do agree that there is a degree of necessity to disperse such a rabble, when I look at the actions of the government at Bundy Ranch (which I'm more on the side of cause-wise) and compare it to the general thuggery in Ferguson (or the possible Boston psy-op), I'm seeing that no matter the incident, the police aren't there to serve and protect- they're present to indimidate.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 01:26 | 5101228 verum quod lies
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"The year 1932 saw Mao come to power in China." WTF?

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 01:28 | 5101232 Sages wife
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Guys, if democracy were ever the goal of our illustrious public servants and their masters, we would have been voting online long ago.  And we are.  Unfortunately, they only use the results to construct policy to thwart us.  The results of our decisions must be immediately published, and indisputable.  The internet will be our saviour, but it's integrity must be in our hands, not theirs.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 06:12 | 5101459 Farqued Up
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I'm worried that since the PTB can hit a key on the computer and create $5 trillion in fiat, that an adjacent key can magically elect a mulatto homo Kenyan-Indonesian-Hawaiian president of these once great United States.

I think we should get back to paper ballots hand delivered and certified through the various collation and tote points even if it takes a month to declare a winner. Of course, my first choice is anarchy since the cops and courts are now corrupt and are basically the enemy of an orderly fair society. Governments at all levels are irrelevant and counterproductive. Vigilantes can enforce contracts and punish violators of neighbors' rights. Vigilantism has been given a bad rap, because it competes with the powermongers' corrupt system.

 

 

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 02:12 | 5101269 barre-de-rire
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blaaaaaaa blaaaaaaa blaaaaaaaaaa....niggers go back home in ferguson, then what.... you gonna walk on D.C ?

 

same writters saying " i buy the dips i bla bla, you still use system you spitin on.... pathetic.

go EBT walmart & stfu,  world change not gonna happen from inside usa,

let's focus your wonderfuck job in europa, you are forcing others to fight  for yourself.

you never won a single war by yourself, face it.

ordering  kiev to shoot red cross humanitarian help, you just worst than nazis.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 05:25 | 5101424 Juvenal laughs
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Mao coming to power in 1932??? Crap, how satisfied he must be. in retrospect. Whatever happened to 1949? And that's only a start in looking into the statements in this rubble.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 07:19 | 5101512 tradewithdave
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You think democracy is bad (interrupted by the ring of an O-phone), wait till you see the democratization of money - one coin/one vote. It's like Citizens United v FEC blockchain version with free means testing included with each purchase and carbon footprint measuring 24/7.

If you agree that "tech will save us" (Thiel and Maidsafe's Irvine) and Rothschild's Economist magazine meme of "money as a technology" then you found your savior in Ricardian contracts and 3D accounting. Stick with Jesus and you won't end up on Thiel's floating libertarian prison or wearing the mark.

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Sat, 08/16/2014 - 13:29 | 5102435 Jack4952
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The fact is that the United States of America was NEVER intended to be a democracy. Rather, it was intended to be a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, with the central (federal) government having very few and limited powers; and the States having all other powers not delegated to the central government in the Constitution. Even Alexander Hamilton, arguing in the Federalist Papers that a "Bill of Rights" was NOT needed, wrote that the Federal Government could NEVER exercise any power or authority that was not explicitly enumerated in the Constitution.

Republic: A government in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whom those powers are specially delegated. In re Duncan, 139 U.S. 449, 11 S.Ct. 573, 35 L.Ed. 219; Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. (21 Wall.) 162, 22 L.Ed. 627. Black's Law Dictionary, Fifth Edition, p. 626   In a "republic" the minorities have RIGHTS guaranteed by a Constitution and these RIGHTS can NOT be infringed or limited by the majority. Even if everyone EXCEPT one man decided by majority vote to limit that man's RIGHTS (e.g., free speech), they could NOT lawfully do so.

Democracy: That form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens directly, or indirectly through a system of representation, as distinguished from a monarchy, aristocracy, or oligarchy. Black's Law Dictionary, Fifth Edition, p. 388   In other words, in a "Democracy" the rule of the majority binds everyone. Minorities have NO RIGHTS in a democracy; only "privileges" temporarily granted to them and just as easily taken away whenever the majority changes its mind.

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By the way, has anyone ever wondered what the word "FEDERAL" means, as in the term "the federal government"?

 

FEDERAL:    

Webster's Dictionary (1828)

1.) Pertaining to a league or contract derived from an agreement or covenant between two parties, particularly between two nations

Derived from or the result of a compact, contract, covenant, mutual agreement

 

2.) Consisting in a compact between parties , particularly and chiefly between states or nations?

THUS: FEDERAL means “contract” and the “federal government” means the contract (the Constitution as a contract among the various sovereign States; NOT among the People) by which the government was created.

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YOU, as one of the "people" ARE NOT MENTIONED HERE since YOU HAVE NO CONTRACT WITH A STATE OR A NATION regarding the Constitution. As stated by the judge in the Padleford case?

"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution, it is true, is a compact, but he [the private person, the man] is not a party to it. The States are the parties to it. And they may complain. If they do they are entitled to redress. Or they may waive the right to complain."  Padleford case

Cited cases:

UNITED STATES v. KIMBELL FOODS, INC., ET AL. No. 771359
SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES, 440 U.S. 715? 99 S. Ct. 1448? 1979 U.S. LEXIS 30? 59 L. Ed. 2d 711? 20 Collier Bankr. Cas. (MB) 1? 26 U.C.C. Rep. Serv. (Callaghan) 1 and FIRST NATIONAL BANK OF FORT WORTH, Plaintiff, v. THE UNITED STATES, Defendant. No. 55583C, UNITED STATES CLAIMS COURT 8 Cl. Ct. 774? 41 U.C.C. Rep. Serv. (Callaghan) 1583, September 27, 1985.

 

 

 

 

 

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