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NAFTA Is 20 Years Old – Here Are 20 Facts That Show How It Is Destroying The Economy

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Submitted by Michael Snyder of The Economic Collapse blog,

Back in the early 1990s, the North American Free Trade Agreement was one of the hottest political issues in the country.  When he was running for president in 1992, Bill Clinton promised that NAFTA would result in an increase in the number of high quality jobs for Americans that it would reduce illegal immigration.  Ross Perot warned that just the opposite would happen.  He warned that if NAFTA was implemented there would be a "giant sucking sound" as thousands of businesses and millions of jobs left this country.  Most Americans chose to believe Bill Clinton.  Well, it is 20 years later and it turns out that Perot was right and Clinton was dead wrong.  But now history is repeating itself, and most Americans don't even realize that it is happening.  As you will read about at the end of this article, Barack Obama has been negotiating a secret trade treaty that is being called "NAFTA on steroids", and if Congress adopts it we could lose millions more good paying jobs.

It amazes me how the American people can fall for the same lies over and over again.  The lies that serial liar Barack Obama is telling about "free trade" and the globalization of the economy are the same lies that Bill Clinton was telling back in the early 1990s.  The following is an excerpt from a recent interview with Paul Craig Roberts...

I remember in the 90′s when former Presidential candidate Ross Perot emphatically stated that NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement) would create a giant “sucking sound” of jobs being extracted away from the U.S.  He did not win the election, and NAFTA was instituted on Jan. 1, 1994. Now, 20 years later, we see the result of all the jobs that have been “sucked away” to other countries.

 

According to an article by the Economic Policy Institute on 1/3/14:

 

“Clinton and his collaborators promised that the deal would bring “good-paying American jobs,” a rising trade surplus with Mexico, and a dramatic reduction in illegal immigration. Considering that thousands of kids are pouring over the border as we speak, well, how’d that work out for us?

Many Americans like to remember Bill Clinton as a "great president" for some reason.  Well, it turns out that he was completely and totally wrong about NAFTA.  The following are 20 facts that show how NAFTA is destroying the economy...

#1 More than 845,000 American workers have been officially certified for Trade Adjustment Assistance because they lost their jobs due to imports from Mexico or Canada or because their factories were relocated to those nations.

#2 Overall, it is estimated that NAFTA has cost us well over a million jobs.

#3 U.S. manufacturers pay Mexican workers just a little over a dollar an hour to do jobs that American workers used to do.

#4 The number of illegal immigrants living in the United States has more than doubled since the implementation of NAFTA.

#5 In the year before NAFTA, the U.S. had a trade surplus with Mexico and the trade deficit with Canada was only 29.6 billion dollars.  Last year, the U.S. had a combined trade deficit with Mexico and Canada of 177 billion dollars.

#6 It has been estimated that the U.S. economy loses approximately 9,000 jobs for every 1 billion dollars of goods that are imported from overseas.

#7 One professor has estimated that cutting the total U.S. trade deficit in half would create 5 million more jobs in the United States.

#8 Since the auto industry bailout, approximately 70 percent of all GM vehicles have been built outside the United States.  In fact, many of them are now being built in Mexico.

#9 NAFTA hasn't worked out very well for Mexico either.  Since 1994, the average yearly rate of economic growth in Mexico has been less than one percent.

#10 The exporting of massive amounts of government-subsidized U.S. corn down into Mexico has destroyed more than a million Mexican jobs and has helped fuel the continual rise in the number of illegal immigrants coming north.

#11 Someone making minimum wage in Mexico today can buy 38 percent fewer consumer goods than the day before NAFTA went into effect.

#12 Overall, the United States has lost a total of more than 56,000 manufacturing facilities since 2001.

#13 Back in the 1980s, more than 20 percent of the jobs in the United States were manufacturing jobs.  Today, only about 9 percent of the jobs in the United States are manufacturing jobs.

#14 We have fewer Americans working in manufacturing today than we did in 1950 even though our population has more than doubled since then.

#15 Back in 1950, more than 80 percent of all men in the United States had jobs.  Today, only 65 percent of all men in the United States have jobs.

#16 As I wrote about recently, one out of every six men in their prime working years (25 to 54) do not have a job at this point.

#17 Because we have shipped millions of jobs overseas, the competition for the jobs that remain has become extremely intense and this has put downward pressure on wages.  Right now, half the country makes $27,520 a year or less from their jobs.

#18 When adults cannot get decent jobs, it is often children that suffer the most.  It is hard to believe, but more than one out of every five children in the United States is living in poverty in 2014.

#19 In 1994, only 27 million Americans were on food stamps.  Today, more than 46 million Americans are on food stamps.

#20 According to Professor Alan Blinder of Princeton University, 40 million more U.S. jobs could be sent offshore over the next two decades if current trends continue.

For much more on this, please watch the video by Charlie LeDuff posted below.  It is well worth a few minutes of your time..

So if NAFTA is so bad for American workers, then why don't our politicians just repeal it?

Well, unfortunately most of them are not willing to do this because it is part of a larger agenda.  For decades, politicians from both major political parties have been working to slowly integrate North America.  The eventual goal is to turn North America into another version of the European Union.

Just check out what former general and CIA chief David Petraeus had to say about this...

After America comes North America,” Petraeus said confidently in answering the question about what comes after the United States, the theme of the panel discussion. “Are we on the threshold of the North American decade, question mark? I threw that away — threw away the question mark — and boldly proclaimed the coming North American decade, says the title now.” He also boasted about how the three economies have been put “together” over the last 20 years as part of the “implementation” of the North American Free Trade Act.

 

The “highly integrated” forces of Canada, the United States, and Mexico, Petraeus continued, will become the world’s powerhouse for energy and science. “There are four revolutions that are ongoing at various levels in each of the countries but foremost in the United States,” said the former CIA chief, who now serves as chairman of the KKR Global Institute. “The energy revolution is the first of those, which has created the biggest change in geopolitics since the rise of China since 1978.” The other “revolutions” include IT, manufacturing, and life sciences, which, “as highly integrated as they are, allow you to argue that after America comes North America,” he added.

When you hear our politicians talk about "free trade", what they are really talking about is integrating us even further into the emerging one world economic system.  And over the past couple of years, Barack Obama has been negotiating a secret treaty which would send the deindustrialization of America into overdrive.  The formal name of this secret agreement is "the Trans-Pacific Partnership", and it would ultimately result in millions more good jobs being sent to the other side of the planet where it is legal to pay slave labor wages.  The following is a description of this insidious treaty from one of my previous articles...

Did you know that the Obama administration is negotiating a super secret "trade agreement" that is so sensitive that he isn't even allowing members of Congress to see it?  The Trans-Pacific Partnership is being called the "NAFTA of the Pacific" and "NAFTA on steroids", but the truth is that it is so much more than just a trade agreement.  This treaty has 29 chapters, but only 5 of them have to do with trade.  Most Americans don't realize this, but this treaty will fundamentally change our laws regarding Internet freedom, health care, the trading of derivatives, copyright issues, food safety, environmental standards, civil liberties and so much more.  It will also merge the United States far more deeply into the emerging one world economic system.  Initially, twelve nations will be a party to this treaty including the United States, Mexico, Canada, Japan, Australia, Brunei, Chile, Malaysia, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore and Vietnam.  Together, those nations represent approximately 40 percent of global GDP.  It is hoped that additional nations such as the Philippines, Thailand and Colombia will join the treaty later on.

Unfortunately, most Americans are as uneducated about these issues as they were back in 1994.

 

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Fri, 08/15/2014 - 20:38 | 5100526 Yen Cross
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  Where's Slick Willy for an explanation?  Hey Billy CliNTON , you own this one...

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 20:43 | 5100544 LetThemEatRand
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G.H.W. Bush signed his apology, along with signing NAFTA.  Don't fall for the Red Team/Blue Team BS.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 20:52 | 5100580 James_Cole
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G.H.W. Bush signed his apology, along with signing NAFTA.  Don't fall for the Red Team/Blue Team BS.

This one can definitely be laid at clintons feet. Reagan / bush sr had the ball rolling by royally fucking over labour, but nafta was clinton sending it into high gear. 

Any doubts, see his mouthpiece on this issue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZTzPmn-87w

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 21:24 | 5100677 Stackers
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We were warned

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAHM9rXjdUo

Look at the smirks on Bush's and Clinton's face

 

repeatedly warned

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhwhMXOxHTg

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 21:25 | 5100692 philipat
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So that "Giant sucking sound" was correct then?

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 21:27 | 5100694 I MISS KUDLOW
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This guy named Sir James Goldsmith said GATT wouldn't help!!!!!!

 

LOL we are screwed

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 23:43 | 5101045 monad
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Hitler is credited as creating GATT. As a stooge, he probably didn't. Just as Al Gore didn't invent divorce. 

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 00:23 | 5101107 philipat
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NAFTA was just Fascism 1.01. Wait untill we have TPP (Which, of course, excludes China) and the EU version thereof. Why are these countries so fucking stupid that they can't see they are surrendering their sovereignty to US Corporations in agreeing to these deals. Or if they do understand are prepared to BOHICA to the US?

Doesn't it sound suspicious in the US that these deals have been developed secretly by the WH without even allowing Congress to review the drafts. Congress, incidentally, is responsible for approving Trade deals and there is no "Fast Track" rule in place as of now. Yes, I know, typical Obozo with his pen and phone. But yet another example of Fascism in action and further evidence of a system which is so totally corrupt and broken as to be FUBAR.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 02:03 | 5101261 Four chan
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perot 2016

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 04:10 | 5101383 monad
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Give it time. And a hand, when you can. The element of society that whacks child molesters & royals is alive and well.

Don't move til you see it. 

Fuck you Holder. I'd be proud of you if you done 1/4 what I have. Watch and learn. Boy.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 10:45 | 5101874 BruntFCA
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Sigh, when will Americans ever get it, talk about stupid to paraphrase you.

These "leaders" do not represent the people or countires, they are greedy psycopaths that represent themeselves and special interests.

By "selling out" their people they become instantly rich join the international plutoracy; the only real "country" they belong to. Just look at Papandreou in Greece, after ruining his country's economy he's become fabulously wealthy and has been granted an economics lectuing post at Harvard and then Columbia (no you can't make this stuff up).

He's just the tip of the ice-berg, the same sell out mechanism has been at work in most of Africa and South America. There is no one you can vote into office that will fix this - the system is borked and must be changed.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 04:16 | 5101392 Leraconteur
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Except the jobs just spent a year or two in Mexico and moved to China soon after.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 20:16 | 5103425 Ranting Troglodyte
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It does make me feel better about voting for him....twice.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:59 | 5111303 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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Yeah, Ross Perot was correct, although he just singled-out Maxico but it was much much much much more.

Then again maybe the "giant sucking sound" was just Monica & Bill.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 00:56 | 5101179 Larry Dallas
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Ahem. What about Rubin? Don't forget that fucker...

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 09:58 | 5101709 Vendetta
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Oh yeah.  So many treasonous bastards ... not one iota of justice to be found anywhere

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 14:03 | 5102539 Kayman
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What a stupid fucking article.  It is Clinton's support of getting China into the WTO that killed jobs in America. In turn, Clinton got lots of China "donations" . Look up the Clinton foundation. And Hillary was a director of Walmart- guess which country makes most of the shit sold at Chinese Wallmart...

There never was a thing called "free trade". It always was and always will be a sales gimmick.

If there were no pollution laws, no labor laws, free intellectual property (steal it, like China) any country could compete with China.  The American people were suckered in by this Trojan Horse and American politicians rolled it thru the gate. 

 

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 16:16 | 5102737 Kirk2NCC1701
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#0: As every Canadian knows, but only 0.01% of Americans know, "NAFTA" was originally an Free Trade Agreements between the US and Canada.

Of course back then "North America" meant US+Canada.  NAFTA worked fine -- until old man Bush (George H W Bush) came along, and expanded it to include Mexico.  It was at that point that the great sucking sound of job transfers from the US to Mexico started.  Ditto for job transfers to Asia.  Thanks, George!

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 16:34 | 5102888 Mesquite
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It was Clinton's condition for being pushed forward for President by The Bilderberg Group....

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 20:57 | 5100581 Yen Cross
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 History is written in paperback/ Easily burnable RAND!

   Just like "TIP O'Neill" fucked Reagan on the origional imigration for funding bill.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 21:01 | 5100613 Greenskeeper_Carl
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Ya this was a bipartisan"achievement". Didn't this have the support of good ole 'contract with America' newt Gingrich as well? Trying to blame this on Clinton is stupid. Both parties have been fucking us over, any differences between them are superficial

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 21:07 | 5100627 Yen Cross
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 Bill Clinton owns NAFTA, like your father owns your Mothers blow hole! 

 Don't get me started Bitchz.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 21:07 | 5100629 Reaper
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Cankles promises to continue Clinton's legacy.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 21:09 | 5100632 Yen Cross
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Some of us, have been around the block/

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 21:35 | 5100718 TeethVillage88s
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Yen Cross;

Did you know that Naphta is one of the Sumerian Names for Oil or Bitumen?

Catalytic reforming is a chemical process used to convert petroleum refinery naphthas distilled from crude oil (typically having low octane ratings) into high-octane liquid products called reformates, which are premium blending stocks for high-octane gasoline.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_naphtha
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalytic_reforming
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Jacobus_Forbes
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Naphta (online dictionaries only reach back to Egyptian or Arabic sources not Sumerian)
Other works by RJ Forbes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_glass

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1525/aa.1965.67.4.02a00430/pdf

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 21:29 | 5100702 toady
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I remember the 'Contract on America'.

Good times!

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 10:03 | 5101726 Vendetta
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oh yeah.... I forgot about Newt's "Contract ON America".... 

"Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of  a day.  But a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period, and pursued unalterably through every change of ministers, too plainly proves a deliberate systematic plan of reducing us to slavery." - Thomas Jefferson

 

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 23:02 | 5100940 Stuck on Zero
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Our good buddy Al Gore was the master proponent of NAFTA and debated Ross Perot through a pile of mockery and gimmickry. 

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 06:37 | 5101475 AmCockerSpaniel
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For two decades I've been beating my drum to stop Free Trade, and few would back me.

I'm old now and being right is on this is NOT what I wanted.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 10:16 | 5101768 Vendetta
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Same here.  In the 20 years since the first betrayal of the entire nation with these aggregious 'agreements', I have never heard a sound argument FOR the so-called free trade agreements.  Always sound bites based on falsehoods or ad hominen attacks, nothing else:  "rising boats in developing nations will INCREASE our exports", "as the middle classes rise in these developing nations, they will buy more from the US", "You're a fucking Protectionist aren't ya?" (as if that is so bad, china does it),"Smoot-Hawley didn't work dude" (reality: whatever happened in 1937 tells us nothing about today), .... endless sound bites and ad hominen attacks against anybody who opposes these things.  Opposition to these agreements do not exist in the political system that I can detect anywhere... all who opposed have been driven out.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 11:09 | 5101903 AmCockerSpaniel
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It was GREED that made Free Trade an easy sell. People wanted and thought they could have their cake, and eat it too.

They would have their good jobs and benefits, and someone else would pay for low prices at the Wall-Mart by having

their job out sourced. I told them the only thing Free in Free Trade was for big corporations to be free to use the cheep labor

of off shore countries. I was called an ass hole for this. My wife said I should just let it go. I love my country, and the people

who live and work in it. I just could not stand by and wait for the train wreck. I'm up in the 70's now, and it's my grand kids I

worry about.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 08:21 | 5101571 doctor10
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NAFTA is the symptom-don't get distracted

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 09:20 | 5101643 123dobryden
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maybe free trade doesnt work for warfre-wellfare state

 

how is it possible that e.g. Germany didnt loose any jobs, but contrary they gain, yet that are members of sclerotic EU? there was no transfer of manufacturing jobs from germany

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 10:21 | 5101793 Vendetta
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VAT taxes are common throughout the nations in the EU  ... its another word for tariffs... only dumb or utterly corrupt countries don't have them to protect domestic industry... US leads the world in the areas of corruption and stupidity regarding trade

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 20:39 | 5100529 junction
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By the way, where is Ross Perot these days?

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 20:52 | 5100579 DaveyJones
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no one knows, he's on the no fly list

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 23:16 | 5100983 Uber Vandal
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv5CT7r3Txo

The entire clip is good, but start at 5:44

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 10:32 | 5101820 Pool Shark
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Don't blame me; I voted for Kodos...

 

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 20:41 | 5100538 chunga
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NAFTA was bipartisan...right Newt?

Both retard "parties" sold us down the river. It will never get repealed both parties are still there.

Fuck them.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 21:11 | 5100641 kchrisc
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NAFTA was the Obamacare of its day.

A CIA controlled and ostensibly Democrat president pushing through what no none wanted. The resulting fallout produced a huge gain for the Republicans who then came up with a "Contract with America" ruse to distract everyone away from the fact that NAFTA was through and through the elite's baby.

An American, not US subject.

 

Note: Democrat and Republican are only used  as they pertain to the two-party delusion that the sheeple cling too.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 23:40 | 5100977 WhyWait
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Who you calling Sheeple, whitey?  

When we vote, we vote for the ones we think are least likely to screw us, right?  Those of us that are too busy trying to survive to go looking for sites like ZH have to choose to believe the lies we want to hear over the ones we don't, or rather to chose which liar we want to believe, and then hope we can keep them honest. We are hungry for someone who can lead us in a fight and who won't betray us, and we look for and argue about signs and indicators that we can trust them. What else can we do?  

For this you call us sheeple?

Or if we stay home, you call us Apathetic, right?  As in stupid?  Try pushing someone to get out and vote, someone who doesn't want to.  You're likely to hear some real anger. More anger than you could have caused, coming from somewhere deep inside.  Heck, I know people whose families haven't voted for three generations, and they're proud of it!  Are they apathetic?

Now I'm not recommending boycotting elections.  Good men fought and died for such rights as we still have, including the right to elect our legislators, president and governors.  To my mind, just because our voices have been made ineffective by out-of-control legalized corruption, doesn't give us right to just give up on elections. I hold that we owe it to our ancesters, from America or from whatever part of the world they came from, to fight to take back the democratic rights their generations gifted to us - and that our generation lost.  And I hold that we owe it to our children too. So I participate in elections the best I can. But the election boycotters are absolutely right about the game being rigged, stacked against the little people.  It's a kind of lunacy to think we can rebuild our democracy by participating in it; lunacy that some of us choose to hold on to in spite of no evidence.  

 

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 20:43 | 5100546 q99x2
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When you understand how the bankers control the world you can understand their perspective. It is very wrong and communications are very different than they were. I think people have a chance when the SHTF to come out of it with a new way of moving forward.

Chris Martenson's audio from this week, "A history of US money" chapter 9 is really good as are all his presentations.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 20:43 | 5100548 stant
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I am going back to rural ky. Mark twain said if the end of the world came he would move to ky because they are 20 yrs behind everyone else. That would make ky the last remaining super power by today's standards

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 20:50 | 5100573 DaveyJones
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"Bill Clinton promised that NAFTA would result in an increase in the number of high quality jobs for Americans that it would reduce illegal immigration"

he was close, he just had the two verbs reversed

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 21:15 | 5100655 Yen Cross
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 I did NOT have sexual relations with my toilet/

~ Billy Clinton~

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 02:35 | 5100588 Reptil
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It is very fortunate that the europeans AND US citizens can study the NAFTA and use it to make a descision on TAFTA (TTIP).
Or the people living in countries that are going to be part of the TPP.

I hope they do. Once signed no party can opt out of these deals. (the small print)

The ISDS clausule is an abomination (Arbitrage trumps Constitution).
http://corporateeurope.org/international-trade/2014/04/still-not-loving-...

It'll get worse than NAFTA, way worse.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 21:03 | 5100614 kchrisc
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A show of hands of all those that know and understand Perot's role in getting NAFTA passed.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 21:14 | 5100654 flyingcaveman
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presidential 3-way?

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 21:19 | 5100672 kchrisc
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Close, but no cigar.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 21:23 | 5100685 TeethVillage88s
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kchrisc; very interesting. Any candidate would sell his genitals for an hour to fool voters. Why not Ross Perot with his "giant sucking sound".

I am naive.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 22:07 | 5100792 kchrisc
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Okay, here goes.

The banksters and elites birthed NAFTA under CIA-Bush Sr.'s watch. They knew that they could never have a Republican ram it down the throats of the American people without destroying their powerbase in the heartland. They also new that the Democrat sheeple  would also not go along with it. So they had CIA-Bush Sr. fall on his "No new taxes" sword, that is, throw the '92 election.

But of course it turns out that Clinton was really connected to the power elite on the right via the CIA and CIA-Bush Sr.--they were both running arms, drugs and money through Arkansas in the 80s (Look it up.). So the right has nothing to worry about, except the sheeple are still riding high on the Reagan/Right euphoria and may still vote for CIA-Bush Sr. and make it hard for them to throw the election for their manchurian Clinton.

Now enter stage right Ross Perot. He is tapped to "run" for president so as to split the ticket on the right and make it easier to throw the election to Clinton. Problem is, many people bought into Perot's folksy campaign, and so they had him do the weird "they're targeting me" stunt. And few remember that Perot, a smart person and businessman, choose the most inept candidate for VP that there ever was.

So the '92 election goes to Clinton, who rammed NAFTA through and reinvigorated the Republican powerbase in the next midterms.

Perot's part was to facilitate Clinton's rise so as to enable the elites to bamboozle the sheeple with NAFTA while also reinvigorating their support with the sheeple on the right.

All of this then lead to Rove’s great successes in creating the Fundamentalist Christian support base for the neo-cons in the heartland that then supported the Bush Jr. regime. But that is another story for another day.

An American, not US subject.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 22:21 | 5100833 samsara
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Didn't read this until after I posted the above reply.

Very Good KchrisC.  Knew lot of it. 

Ever read this tangent?  Google the guy's name...

 

<SNIP>

Shortly before we went to press, Jerry Bohnen of KTOK Radio in Oklahoma City, who had done several stories about the Miller-Gage-Dyamic Energy affair in the mid-nineties, interviewed a former Arkansas state trooper, Russell Welch, who survived inhaled anthrax. The trooper was investigating the MENA drug ring in Arkansas in 1991 when he became ill. The first doctor that he sought help from could not determine the cause of his illness. A second physician was an Army Reserve doctor who served in the Gulf War, and had received special training in detecting airborne anthrax. He was able to begin treatment early and, after fourteen days in the hospital, survived. Welch told Bohnen that he believes he was infected "through the mail."

</SNIP>

http://www.oklahomaconstitution.com/ns.php?nid=112&reports=1

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 22:06 | 5100793 samsara
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Spoiler?

Mike Ruppert (AKA FTW) was his campaign manager for a time,  He said that Ross never intended to really try to win.

Mike Quit I believe.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 21:14 | 5100653 CoastalCowboy
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It's all about the 0.001% plutocratic class playing the labor arbitrage and regulation game against all workers and countries. It's really simple screw over the American workers and then poison the Chinese/Mexican/Ethiopian slaves all for PROFIT to buy more 250 foot yachts, private islands, hookers, and only the best Peruvian flake money possibly can buy.

Make the product for 1/50 the labor cost input, and sell it back in the US for the same price as before.

It all works great until there are no jobs that pay worth a shit, and the third world countries are toxic cancer sewers. How can this model possibly fail if you're lucky enough to be born into the ruling class?

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 21:18 | 5100668 alexcojones
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Bill Clinton. Liar. War criminal.

Sociopath. Murderer.

Like George Bush and Obama.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 14:56 | 5102684 I-am-not-one-of-them
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alexcojones: Bill Clinton. Liar. War criminal.

Sociopath. Murderer.

Like George Bush and Obama.

 

It's a prerequisite, you have to be a sociopath to be considered a potential ruling class talking head puppet.  They don't need Presidents with remorse, empathy, a conscience, reacting counter what the Ruling Elite cause, they must be cold blooded murderers to support the Ruling Elite's pillage, reiterating that democracy and freedom smokescreen.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 21:27 | 5100698 dognamedabu
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Most of the deficit with Canada is energy and minerals.  There is no reason to have tariffs between Canada and the US. Mexican $1 an hour workers hurts Canadian employment as well but so does Chinese and other jurisdictions where wages are slave labour low. Free trade in and of itself isn't bad. I am of the globalist view that people should be competitive and interact freely without government interventions. The best way to achieve this is to have a widely accepted currency that is decentralized and not in the control of banking syndicates and governments. The transition wouldn't be painless but eventually the people of the world would specialize and thrive or fail based on merit instead of war, oppression, aggression and slavery. 

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 06:30 | 5101470 Matt
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While I agree with the start :"Most of the deficit with Canada is energy and minerals.  There is no reason to have tariffs between Canada and the US."

The rest is a bit off. NAFTA is not real free trade, since it includes subsidies and other oddities, like discounts etc.

As for the globalization part, I think that's a bit of a utopian dream that fails to understand human nature.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 10:33 | 5101827 Vendetta
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"The best way to achieve this is to have a widely accepted currency that is decentralized and not in the control of banking syndicates and governments" .... its called a gold standard without a gold fix.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 21:49 | 5100755 Dingleberry
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The problem of course, is when you have the opposite (protectionism) you see how US companies and their workers treat the consumer. I.e. shit in a bowl and hand you (the consumer) a spoon.

Everyone thinks the consumer just goes and buys the cheapest shit available, like at Wal Mart. And there is a lot of truth to that.

But what about cars, electronics and other expensive durables that frankly, given protectionism, those companies in the US just used it as a license to steal, from its fellow citizens? 

But as you here at ZH know....the Fed and its bankster owners are the far bigger problem and its causing of economic distortions, bubbles, etc.  Fiat currency fucks up any economy over time, protectionist or not.

NAFTA is just a sideshow.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 23:13 | 5100973 Malachi Constant
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Workers... Jobs... Manufacturers... These are all concepts of the XX century. Anyone who works for hire, anyone who pays anything (eg taxes) to stay out of jail is a slave.

There is no need to work. Half of the "jobs" are unnecessary and the other half is better done by robots. Human beings are those who pursue the impossible - create art, talk to each other, observe the world, and make conclusions. Anyone who grasps onto their physical comfort without asking "Why?" as many times as necessary deserves their slavery.

If you are valuable, fellow humans will not let you die. If you are useless. you will die of hunger - but you will die anyway, so there is nothing to lose. Let the slaves work and do whatever you always wanted - we're all on the death row.

This is the mindset of the nobility, of all the CEOs, bankers and politicians that everyone loves to hate. Nothing prevents YOU from thinking like that. A carefree life starts in your head.

Fri, 08/15/2014 - 23:37 | 5101028 robertocarlos
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You're sayiong a factory moved from the USA to Canada? That's funny.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 00:21 | 5101122 Caveman93
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How's Canada doin eh?

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 11:51 | 5102112 gmak
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Just fine. Thank goodness that we are rich in natural resources and oil or it would be game over.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 00:30 | 5101136 kumquatsunite
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Meanwhile, the communist-in-charge (ever notice how he LOVES to refer to himself as commander-in-chief; course, before he was affirmative action "elected" to president, the only thing he'd ever been in charge of was "Do you want a leg or a breast?" at the community action chicken dinners) is telling Americans, thems that been here longer than five minutes, that he's going to use his "pen" to create another California via nationallizing illegals which is an act of TREASON as no president has the right to give succor to the enemy. 

When people break your laws and attempt to steal your country they are the enemy. And they aren't "good people," as everyone in the media is wont to say. They know what they are doing. Failure of their own country and steal YOUR children's country to give to theirs. 

Meanwhile, Oboma will be skipping across communist tulips as he sells state secrets accumulated while in the White House; the White House my father fought for in WWII. And he didn't fight to that Oboma could sell it out to China, Mexico and Russia. 

By the way, the real estimate is that their are 25 MILLION illegal Mexicans here, and with "relative" reunification immigration, that will mean that EVERY MEXICAN has a duo citizenship, while you have ONE. You wanna see riots that make Ferguson look like kiddie play, go ahead and try to "legalize" Mexico as US citizens. That's what's really going on.

Lastly, sorry so long, but everyone keeps saying about Oboma hating whites; they are wrong. What he really hates is thathe isn't all white. He hates being a part black and since he can't/isn't all white; he seeks to destroy us.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 08:24 | 5101574 doctor10
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The only thing Obama and his paymasters "hate" is the US Constitution'-the only shackles that crowd has ever known. Its nullification through serial violation is their objective.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 10:41 | 5101202 Salsipuedes
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1992 was the transitional moment that set the stage for the United States in the 21st Century. A broken nation couldn't conceive of A) a Third Party Candidate that B) said "let's lift up the hood (of corruption) and look at this sucker. It runs like ma' gramma's mule!" (or something like that) and C) said he'd "work for one DOLLAR a year. Hell I made enough money." (Too bad it was getting the Surveillance Apparatus to where it is today). Nope. I'm afraid you 'folks' are fucked a comin' an' fucked a' goin'. And everybody else that bought their bitter medicine.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 02:47 | 5101320 world_debt_slave
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yep, I remember e-mailing Con-gress with the nascent Internet back then to vote No on NAFTA. What good did that do?

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 04:48 | 5101405 dogismycopilot
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this has to be one of the scariest fucking articles i have read on ZH. 

Canada is next up on the serving platter.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 05:41 | 5101432 Raoul_Luke
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Free trade doesn't have to be a loser.  But when you do "free trade" with a lower cost of production nation and then go about serially increasing your own cost of production through over regulation, over taxation and currency debasement, you end up with the results we are witnessing.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 08:41 | 5101599 Martian Moon
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Bingo, free trade, in this manner, has been used time and again to implode economies

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 10:46 | 5101880 Vendetta
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'free trade' doesn't require an agreement written in secret.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 07:34 | 5101522 rickv404
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Michael Synder is full of it. He understands practically nothing of the workings of a free economy. He thinks like Pat Buchanan. NAFTA is bad, but not for the reasons he indicates.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 07:43 | 5101535 BigInJapan
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NAFTA seems to work just fine up here in Conservative Canada.

Suck it you whiny socialists, and oh yeah, buy more oil.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 10:20 | 5101792 Savvy
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20 years ago I drove to Vancouver and saw a spray painted message. It said:

 

Free Canada, Trade Mulroney

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 11:49 | 5102107 gmak
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right. And China had nothing to do with the loss of American jobs?  Everytime I try to buy anything, it seems that it says Made in China, not Mexico and not Canada.  

 

You can quote the trade surplus with Canada in the year before NAFTA was signed, but history shows that Canada has run a trade surplus for most of its modern history, no?

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 11:52 | 5102114 moneybots
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"#20 According to Professor Alan Blinder of Princeton University, 40 million more U.S. jobs could be sent offshore over the next two decades if current trends continue."

 

Trends reverse. 

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 11:57 | 5102134 moneybots
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"When you hear our politicians talk about "free trade""

 

they aren't.  Free trade means free in both directions.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 13:19 | 5102424 Danno Anderson
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Don't argue about the facts, look em up.  NAFTA was created and signed by Bill Clinton in 1993.

NAFTA passed the US house of Representatives by a vote of 234 - 200 on Nov 17, 1993   

The vote in congress in favor was 102 Democrats, 132 Republicans. 

Voting a against NAFTA were  155 Democrats, 43 Republicans, 2 independents.  

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Following is the 61-to-38 roll-call by which the Senate voted tonight to approve the North American Free Trade Agreement. A "yes" vote was a vote to approve the agreement. Voting for the agreement were 27 Democrats and 34 Republicans; voting against it were 28 Democrats and 10 Republicans.

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Bill Clinton signed NAFTA. 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 00:17 | 5112973 legallady4
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George H.W. Bush signed NAFTA agreement in San Antonio, Dec. 17, 1992, but it was still under negotiation in Canada. He fast-tracked it , ran out of time, and ratification passed to Clinton. You are otherwise correct, but NAFTA was a Bushwhack.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 16:09 | 5102842 alentia
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Majority of facts presented have nothing to do with NAFTA, political science article.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 17:19 | 5102986 22winmag
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NAFTA... nuke it from orbit!

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 19:18 | 5103310 unicorn
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will colombia join? im not shure, well not without some bakshish, cause the people there are quite in trouble allready, they re hungry:

Documentary 9.7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkQ8U2kHAbI

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 20:29 | 5103455 AdvancingTime
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This is another reason not to raise the minimum wage. Raising it will make America less competitive and slow job growth, I concede the debate is destined to continue until it is raised. I hereby state without a doubt, the minimum wage will go up! Polls show a majority of Americans support this idea.

It is my feeling that many people believe the myth this will put more money into the consumers pocket and create economic growth. They fail to recognize it will also spark inflation while reducing opportunity. New twist and wrinkles are being added by the White House and supporters of this increase every week. Expanding the number of workers eligible for overtime pay is another attempt to push this along. Unfortunately much of the impact and pain will directly fall upon small business the real creator of jobs. More on this subject in the article below.

http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-minimum-wage-will-go-up-right...

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 13:17 | 5109435 sam site
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I thought Slick Willie was great back in the 90s until I found out what he really did.  Besides selling out our jobs thru NAFTA, Clinton and his Treasury Dept buddy Robert Rubin raided Fort Know of our gold.  The most damage was done when he disposed of the bank deposit protections from the 30s era known as the Glass Steagle laws and allowed derivatives to be traded by the banks.  Derivatives blew up in 2008 and are now four time larger at 1400 T globally.  When this cluster F detonates look out and we'll all owe it to the slickster who's still slickly talking just like his buddy the Liar in Chief.

Fortunately most of the world is rejecting the Jesuit-conjured Trans Pacific Partnership just as the world is rejecting the global dollar.  Unfortunately Americans have to take a larger cut in wages to compete and return their jobs to our shores.  As Ron Paul says, "We can't afford the welfarism and the warfarism".  We can no longer afford the huge regulatory state, government-protected Monopoly Quack Medicine and the police, firemen and even the educational state.

The new America, if it is to survive, is going to be lean with few taxes if any and will be run on the principles of Ayn Rand who said, 'All taxes should be voluntary".  That means laws will be arranged between private parties through contracts with no government involvement or coercion.  I believe this next reset and the die-off of the unfit and poisoned will herald in a new age of lean, healthy, energetic, smart, competitive workers with little need for big government and it's ruinous effects on our ability to compete globally.

   

 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 00:04 | 5112927 legallady4
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You should get a Pulitzer for this. No one in the media is reporting...WSJ and chaingang Joe Biden cheerleading. Send Jim DeMint a truckload of Mexican raspberries for casting the deciding vote, giving Bush 43 a huge victory for the loss of U.S. sovereignty.

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