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Looting Resumes In Ferguson; Local Police Ordered To Stand Down

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After a day of relative peace, things turned ugly again in Ferguson when shortly after midnight crowds again resorted to looting and vandalism in multiple businesses along West Florissant Ave with the focal point being the QuikTrip convenience store which Mike Brown allegedly robbed. The incidents seemed to gather steam after 12:00am.

According to KTVI, at least 200 St. Louis County Police officers were on scene and helping handle the situation. They confirm the Domino’s Pizza on West Florissant was set fire and burned. They also confirm multiple businesses vandalized and looted. But the shocker happened when county Police told Fox 2 News that its officers were at the Ferguson Market earlier when looters showed up, but were ordered to “Stand down” by Missouri State Highway Patrol incident commanders at the scene and basically withdrew and allowed the looters to have their way with the store.

So if the cops won't protect, then vigilante justice is inevitable:

In other words, first appeasement in the international arena, and now, domestically. Is it surprising then that increasingly the death of Mike Brown appears to merely be a pretext for even more looting? One does wonder just where and why the order to replace the local police with a highway patrol presence came in the first place.

As KFTI further, reports, the Missouri Highway Patrol continues to have incident command at the scene. A spokesman said they are gathering information and plan a news conference later this morning. They did not have any solid information about damage, arrests, or injuries.

As of this morning the looting activity seems to have quieted, but local media outlets report live pictures of cars racing down West Florissant and driving erratic. Furthermore, after being told to stand aside, a strong police presence appears to be returning and moving down West Florissant and standing off with some protestors.

And just in case Ukraine wants some pointers on what "evidence" means, here is photographic and video proof of the overnight events.

Meanwhile, the entire world is watching:

So to summarize: the revolution may not be televised, but the looting will sure be tweeted.


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Sat, 08/16/2014 - 09:37 | 5101661 kowalli
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mission accomplished

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 09:47 | 5101677 Battle Beagle
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Stereotypes don't pop into existence out of nowhere do they?

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 09:51 | 5101689 Yes We Can. But...
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Q: What do you call it when police stand down whilst African Americans loot freely?

A: Reparations.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 09:55 | 5101700 nmewn
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Krugman calls it economics and Obama calls it shovel ready jobs once its over ;-)

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 10:01 | 5101722 Stackers
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Counter argument to end all liberal noise about why we need the 1st amendment in a modern America.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 10:08 | 5101740 Latina Lover
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You didn't build that.

So we can take it.

Because now it's ours.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 10:12 | 5101755 J S Bach
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When the pigs are away, the apes will play.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 10:17 | 5101774 max2205
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Wait till the illegals figure out this game

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 10:22 | 5101796 GetZeeGold
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Yeah.....about that.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 10:32 | 5101825 Headbanger
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The FEds send in a platoon of heavily armed BLM agents to stop one old white guy from raising his cattle on land his family used for 100 years!

But the law is told to "stand down" when a bunch of black protestors are ripping apart stores and ruining it for their owners!?


Sat, 08/16/2014 - 10:50 | 5101887 Troll Magnet
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I got a lot of love for GOOD, DECENT black people in this country. If you get to know'em, they're some of the most dedicated and loyal friends and colleagues you'll ever have. That said, it's fucking sad as hell that TPTB has made them into a pariah class in our society. It really is. Slavery never ended with all these welfare programs and when you incarcerate so many young, able black men for non-violent crimes like smoking dope, I mean, that shit's gotta stop because these people have and still do have a lot to contribute to our society.

What they need is freedom. They don't know that. But they do. Free the slaves once and for all.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 10:59 | 5101924 0b1knob
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< Less militarized police, more hope and change.

< Less rubber bullets, more real bullets.

What is needed in Ferguson.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 11:00 | 5101929 Divided States ...
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Lucky there is no affluent rich neighborhood in ferguson

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 11:07 | 5101949 GetZeeGold
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But the law is told to "stand down" when a bunch of black protestors are ripping apart stores and ruining it for their owners!?


That's because Harry Reid doesn't have a dog in that fight.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 11:32 | 5102056 BaBaBouy
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Rumors..... FREE Shit In Fergussen...

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 11:39 | 5102076 BaBaBouy
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NATO Breaking: PUTIN Is Resposible...

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:50 | 5102336 666
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I didn't know where Ferguson is, so I looked it up on Google Maps. A couple of miles west of the action is St. Louis International Airport, which also contains the Missouri Air National Guard. It's kind of ironic that the Feds are so close and are doing absolutely nothing.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 13:08 | 5102390 TBT or not TBT
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Let's keep the "federal" in fedearlism, please.  

 Central government is a cause and instigator of this, not a cure.  LBJ do-gooder demagogue social engineering inspired by Marx ruined the black family integrally.   They used to have intact families and go to church.   Whatever you think of the content of the religion part these were community centers that helped people eschew drug abuse, abuse in general, criminality, etc and did a lot of the work government wanted in on.   For that matter, their families did a lot of the work government wanted in on.  

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 13:29 | 5102456 Leonardo Fibonacci2
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Send these Apes back to Africa where they belong! Take the African out of the term African American.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 14:10 | 5102561 Terminus C
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You are either a complete idiot or government troll (or both).

Grow a brain before you come hang out with the adults.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 14:57 | 5102692 gmrpeabody
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...and the home of the brave.

Job well done Holder!!!!!

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 16:14 | 5102852 BellyBrain
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Psy-op all the way.  Looting is encouraged so that they have an excuse to build up the militarized police presence, hoping to create a powder-keg where someone actually takes a shot at a cop so they can go ape-shit on the populace. 

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 16:27 | 5102878 Terminus C
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And Team Leonardo up there will be cheering them on.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 14:03 | 5102540 bwh1214
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I agree LBJ's great society locked most people into their socio-economic class.  Though blacks made great strides in the 1950's, the introduction of major socialism in the 1960's caused them not only to be locked into their class but regress in many cases. And though it was government who now causes them so many issues they have been conditioned to turn to them for help.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 15:03 | 5102707 MalteseFalcon
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Who ordered the stand-down and why?

Who are the looters?  Are they provocateurs?

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 17:37 | 5103018 Chief Wonder Bread
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Do you think the stand-down was ordered by anybody? More likely it was an unofficial police strike, to show what supposedly 'happens' when the police don't respond forcefully enuf>

in response to what? Petulant cops not allowed to play with their new toys. They will get their way in the end. It is in the dynamic of a Tyranny.

Who are the looters: simple: clueless urban yutes. The provocateurs are the politicians - local, state and federal - spinning it to suit their advantage.

And ffs from the pictures - televised or not - ask yourself the question: why are there more 'journalists' on the street than residents? Does it strike you as a manufactured event? Provocateur too strong a word? 


If the people really cared about the militarization of the police, then why wasn't there an outcry over Boston?

The people will readily accept their enslavement, they love and worship their servitude. Except for a few isolated voices, there is/has been no outcry over the formation of the American Police State. It is a done deal, get over it. Richard Perle gloats about it; AIPAC-financed. (I threw that in because there is a connection not easily discovered. So it won't be, not by the average voter.)

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 19:56 | 5103391 Raymond K Hessel
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In the NYC emergency services (police and EMS mainly) , the term of art is "slow down". 

It happens so often, they had to name it.

They used to squawk it over the handset radios when 911 tried to dispatch a police unit up until Mortorola added CallerID feature to police radios. 

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 23:29 | 5103875 Hallow To Our Men
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"there is a connection not easily discovered" :


Israel-trained police "occupy" Missouri after killing of black youth

(excerpt :

Emulating apartheid

While there is a wealth of scholarship on police militarization in the US, there has been little to no examination of the ways Israel’s security apparatus facilitates it. 

Decades of testing and perfecting methods of domination and control on a captive and disenfranchised Palestinian population has given rise to a booming “homeland security industry” in Israel that refashions occupation-style repression for use on marginalized populations in other parts of the world, including St. Louis.

Under the cover of counterterrorism training, nearly every major police agency in the United States has traveled to Israel for lessons in occupation enforcement, a phenomenon that journalist Max Blumenthal dubbed “the Israelification of America’s security apparatus.” Israeli forces and US police departments are so entrenched that the New York City Police Department (NYPD) has opened a branch in Tel Aviv.

In 2011, then St. Louis County Police Department chief Timothy Fitch attended the Anti-Defamation League’s (ADL) National Counter-Terrorism Seminar, an annual week-long Israeli training camp where US law enforcement executives “study first hand Israel’s tactics and strategies” directly from “senior commanders in the Israel National Police, experts from Israel’s intelligence and security services, and the Israel Defense Forces,” according to the ADL’s website.

Until Thursday night, the St. Louis County Police Department appeared to be the largest most militarized and brutish force operating in Ferguson. “St. Louis County Police” was scrawled across the side of most of the tactical unit vehicles and appeared on the combat-style uniforms of officers aiming assault rifles at peaceful protesters.

The ADL boasts of sending more than 175 senior US law enforcement officials from 100 different agencies to the seminar since 2004, which are “taking the lessons they learned in Israel back to the United States.”

The ADL is just one of several pro-Israel groups forging close ties between US cops and Israel’s security and intelligence apparatus."


read more :


in other news :


Hear ! hear ! God bless the righteous !

"As Jewish survivors and descendants of survivors and victims of the Nazi genocide, we unequivocally condemn the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza and the ongoing occupation and colonisation of historic Palestine. We further condemn the United States for providing Israel with the funding to carry out the attack, and western states more generally for using their diplomatic muscle to protect Israel from condemnation. Genocide begins with the silence of the world."


what are we talking about here ? :

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 23:24 | 5103855 Hallow To Our Men
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  Israel-trained police "occupy" Missouri after killing of black youth

(excerpt :

Emulating apartheid

While there is a wealth of scholarship on police militarization in the US, there has been little to no examination of the ways Israel’s security apparatus facilitates it. 

Decades of testing and perfecting methods of domination and control on a captive and disenfranchised Palestinian population has given rise to a booming “homeland security industry” in Israel that refashions occupation-style repression for use on marginalized populations in other parts of the world, including St. Louis.

Under the cover of counterterrorism training, nearly every major police agency in the United States has traveled to Israel for lessons in occupation enforcement, a phenomenon that journalist Max Blumenthal dubbed “the Israelification of America’s security apparatus.” Israeli forces and US police departments are so entrenched that the New York City Police Department (NYPD) has opened a branch in Tel Aviv.

In 2011, then St. Louis County Police Department chief Timothy Fitch attended the Anti-Defamation League’s (ADL) National Counter-Terrorism Seminar, an annual week-long Israeli training camp where US law enforcement executives “study first hand Israel’s tactics and strategies” directly from “senior commanders in the Israel National Police, experts from Israel’s intelligence and security services, and the Israel Defense Forces,” according to the ADL’s website.

Until Thursday night, the St. Louis County Police Department appeared to be the largest most militarized and brutish force operating in Ferguson. “St. Louis County Police” was scrawled across the side of most of the tactical unit vehicles and appeared on the combat-style uniforms of officers aiming assault rifles at peaceful protesters.

The ADL boasts of sending more than 175 senior US law enforcement officials from 100 different agencies to the seminar since 2004, which are “taking the lessons they learned in Israel back to the United States.”

The ADL is just one of several pro-Israel groups forging close ties between US cops and Israel’s security and intelligence apparatus.


in other news :


Hear ! hear ! God bless the righteous !

"As Jewish survivors and descendants of survivors and victims of the Nazi genocide, we unequivocally condemn the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza and the ongoing occupation and colonisation of historic Palestine. We further condemn the United States for providing Israel with the funding to carry out the attack, and western states more generally for using their diplomatic muscle to protect Israel from condemnation. Genocide begins with the silence of the world."


what are we talking about here ? :

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 22:29 | 5103697 willwork4food
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I was thinking the same thing. It's almost like they WANT this to go out of control.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:54 | 5102349 Antifaschistische
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They're lucky there's no Texan's in Ferguson

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 13:16 | 5102414 The Big Ching-aso
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An observation.....

I don't see a KFC or a Popeye's getting looted. Come to think of it I've never seen any riots anywhere with them getting looted.


If I were to open a business in a Ferguson open one of those franchises. It's like future anti-riot insurance.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 14:35 | 5102634 eclectic syncretist
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This is the ultimate expression of Wall Street cultural mentality, at the street level, which is what rules our society today.  Why would anyone have expected anything different?

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 20:04 | 5103402 Raymond K Hessel
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What does The Prodigy have to do with Wall Street or this topic?  

The song was a reply to British laws regulating the rave music scene.


Sat, 08/16/2014 - 20:53 | 5103502 mjcOH1
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"I don't see a KFC or a Popeye's getting looted. Come to think of it I've never seen any riots anywhere with them getting looted.


If I were to open a business in a Ferguson open one of those franchises. It's like future anti-riot insurance."


Shut off the EBT for 48 hours and the clientele will be throwing the staff on the grill.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 11:07 | 5101941 McMolotov
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While we all freak out over morons stealing some TVs, let's not lose sight of the fact that people like Jon Corzine walk around freely after stealing billions of dollars. Let's focus on the bigger picture.

Hank Paulson was right about one thing: there could have been tanks in the streets. And if everyone was half as pissed off then as they are now, those tanks would have taken aim at the banks.

Instead, the tanks will be turned against all of us someday, and a good portion of the people in this country will cheer it on. The fuckers in charge are laughing their asses off right now.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 13:10 | 5102397 TBT or not TBT
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That gives me a warm and joyous "fuck yeah" kinda feeling. 

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 13:21 | 5102434 NoWayJose
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There is a thin 'blue wall' keeping the rest of us from roasting marshmallows at our favorite restaurants and stores and sports stadiums. What is scary is listening to some of the residents and talking heads on the cable news channels talking about the police and the investigation. It is pretty clear that we are closer than ever to riots and looting on a national scale. This may be why the police and other government agencies are being armed to the teeth. It's not to stop rioting in the black neighborhoods - it's to protect, by lethal force, the government itself!

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 16:25 | 5102860 CheapBastard
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2 charged with first-degree murder in beating death of UNC professor, cancer researcher


Police arrested Derick Davis II, 23, and Troy Arrington, Jr., 27, Wednesday night after Liu, 59, of Durham, was found severely beaten around 1 p.m. on West University Drive. Liu was transported to UNC Hospitals, where he later died.


Where's the media on this one? Where's Al and Jesse? Where's the liberal outcry at the loss of a valuable memeber of our society? 


Sat, 08/16/2014 - 17:13 | 5102971 Never One Roach
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That's so sad. From your article:



Two men with long criminal records are now charged with first-degree murder after Chapel Hill Police say they robbed and beat to death a University of North Carolina professor who researched ways to treat cancer.


So typical of the progressive, liberal leadership we have....the revolving jail doors...... in for felony murder this week and out the door 2 years later....only to Loot, Mayem and Murder again.....

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 20:07 | 5103406 Raymond K Hessel
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Were those two also students at UNC?  


Sat, 08/16/2014 - 17:31 | 5103012 Edelweiss
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  Jesse and Al know who their base is, and they know that stories about blacks targeting other races don't bring home the bacon.  Remember the Tawana Brawley case?  Al was happy to come to her "defense" before any facts were known, and quietly slithered away when it became clear that she had lied to avoid punishment from her parents. 

  A couple of years ago, I read an article in a Champaign,Il paper that infuriated me.  The story gave a brief account of 23 physical assaults perpetrated by groups of black men against white and asian individuals walking alone in the downtown area over approximately a two month period.  The article was buried toward the back of the paper near the classified section.  Why?  Because a liberalized media doesn't want to cast a negative light on minorities, even when they are just telling the truth.  Had we reversed the races of the attackers, and the attacked, the story would likely have not been largely ignored. 

  People like Al and Jesse figured out a long time ago that a vocal, organized minority can wield a tremendous amount of power, compared to a timid, less vocal majority.  They will continue to change the definition of what constitutes racism, sexism, ___ism, to secure any benefit they can.  The common threads of these groups are the same.  Every "oppressed" person must have an "oppressor".  The favorite bad man at the moment is your basic white guy.  I had no idea how many people I was taking advantage of until it was pointed out to me that even using the wrong wording can be unacceptable behavior.  Fuck that.  I make a point of mocking people (usually white) who want to correct me when I say "black" instead of "African American".  If that offends you, then you've officially run out of legitimate examples of racism. 

  If you want to see real prejudice, you can take a look at what's happenind in Syria, Iraq, or a variety of other 3rd world shitholes.  Nothing says oppression like someone putting your head on a fence spike in the city square because you wouldn't convert to islam. 


Sun, 08/17/2014 - 06:07 | 5104462 Kobe Beef
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Liberal Orthodoxy 101: Blacks are always victims.

If you question the orthodoxy under any circumstances, you are a waycist, and subject to termination, exile, and/or SPLC/NAACP lawfare.

Thus, Big Mike is the victim of police brutality, despite assaulting an officer of the law. Let us broaden our scope of inquiry..

Thus, Blacks are victims of "gun violence", despite being the overwhelming perpetrators of said gun violence. You must be disarmed in order to make them safe.

Thus, Blacks are victims of "bad schools", despite their poor conduct and educational habits being the overwhelming contributors to the bad school. Your child's school must be made unsafe in order to make their average test scores higher.

Thus, Blacks are victims of "housing projects", despite being the overwhelming perpetrators of violence, burglary, and vandalism that creates an unlivable environment. Your neighborhood must be made unlivable to ease the conditions they created in public housing.

Thus, Blacks are victims of "food deserts", despite being the overwhelming perpetrators of petty theft, armed robbery, and mob looting that lead to few viable businesses in their community. We haven't come up with a policy recommendation yet, but rest assured, infringement of your right to free association and expropriation of your taxes will be involved somehow. 

Shall I go on? Or can you see the inversion of perpetrator and victim yet?

Our current legal Multiculturalist regime only makes sense when viewed as an orthodox State Religion. If you disagree, or merely point out the obvious agency behind all these social ills, you are a heretic, and shall be made to suffer.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 11:48 | 5102104 JR
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I completely agree; tyrants benefit when the people are divided and are set upon each other.

Do Americans want to save the most important national force in the history of civilization, namely the American society and its system of justice and freedom, or the Dow Jones Average for a privileged class of Wall Street oligarchs?   John Whitehead of the Rutherford Institute explains how Americans’ world is darkening as their top court extinguishes the torch of freedom, IMO for an aggressive, privileged class which has open access to the Federal Reserve’s checkbook, i.e., to total power.

In “The U.S. Supreme Court Is Marching in Lockstep With the Police State (think George Soros and John Podesta and Michael Chertoff),” he writes:

The U.S. Supreme Court was intended to be an institution established to intervene and protect the people against the government and its agents when they overstep their bounds. Yet as I point out in my book A Government of Wolves: The Emerging American Police State, Americans can no longer rely on the courts to mete out justice. In the police state being erected around us, the police and other government agents can probe, poke, pinch, taser, search, seize, strip and generally manhandle anyone they see fit in almost any circumstance, all with the general blessing of the courts. Whether it’s police officers breaking through people’s front doors and shooting them dead in their homes or strip searching innocent motorists on the side of the road, these instances of abuse are continually validated by a judicial system that kowtows to virtually every police demand, no matter how unjust, no matter how in opposition to the Constitution. These are the hallmarks of the emerging American police state: where police officers, no longer mere servants of the people entrusted with keeping the peace, are part of an elite ruling class dependent on keeping the masses corralled, under control, and treated like suspects and enemies rather than citizens.

A review of the Supreme Court’s rulings over the past 10 years, including some critical ones this term, reveals a startling and steady trend towards pro-police state rulings by an institution concerned more with establishing order and protecting government agents than with upholding the rights enshrined in the Constitution…

When all is said and done, what these assorted court rulings add up to is a disconcerting government mindset that interprets the Constitution one way for the elite—government entities, the police, corporations and the wealthy—and uses a second measure altogether for the underclasses—that is, you and me. Keep in mind that in former regimes such as Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, the complicity of the courts was the final piece to fall into place before the totalitarian beast stepped out of the shadows and into the light. If history is a guide, then the future that awaits us is truly frightening. Time, as they say, grows short.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 14:10 | 5102563 disabledvet
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The silence from the White House has been pretty much a standout.  Certainly doesn't sound like Hitler.  Is the plan to have this spread?

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 14:15 | 5102586 Terminus C
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Yes, but logic be damned... blackie is out to get us!  MOAR COPS WITH MOAR GUNS TO BE USED ON BLACKIE!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously the mindless drivel that some of the posters here spew... Divide and conquer in action.  Wake the fuck up people!  Are there black criminals?  Yes.  Are there criminals of every race?  Yes.  Socio-economics determines the type of crime committed.

Who is the criminal? The guy who steals billions, murders millions or the guy who shoots a store owner and steals the cash register?

Both need to be dealt with and neither is an excuse for the other.  

Wake. The. Fuck. Up. 

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 17:40 | 5103030 sylviasays
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If you be any color other than black and you wander into Southside Chicago or any of they 'hoods, you been damn right blackie be out to get you. They be playing the knockout game on you!

If you be a black thug who gets looked at the wrong way by a white cop, then Eric Holder and his un-justice thugs will sic every Federal agency on you! 

Wake. The. Fuck. Up. Dumb. White. Libtards. 

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 14:39 | 5102641 palmereldritch
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PsyOp Sympathy for a Police State

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 11:23 | 5102017 greatbeard
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>> Less militarized police, more hope and change.

You wouldn't, per chance, design polls for Fox?

Amazing how many police state supporters spring up at opportune times.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:10 | 5102174 A Nanny Moose
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Third way...and the correct way. See the picture of the guys standing in front of Sam's Meat Market defending it with real bullets.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 14:13 | 5102576 California Nigh...
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Moms and Pops defend their property. 

Big corporations just write off the loss.

But God help the Moms and Pops if they actually shoot some thief.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 15:11 | 5102719 Kirk2NCC1701
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Late post... It's interesting how different bloggers have different observations or takes on the events...

Mine is less dogmatic, and more pragmatic:

   [1] In a Law-Abiding society, possession is 90% of the Law.

   [2] In a Lawless society, possession is 100% of the Law.

Suggest you plan, hedge and act accordingly, when it comes to acquiring and retaining your possessions:  ideally, you will want to have Legal Documents + Weapons + Strong Community.  When one or more of these are absent, all sorts of problems arise.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 17:20 | 5102984 Statetheist
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You sound nice and fascist. Congrats.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 11:10 | 5101966 El Vaquero
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The motherfuckers clamp down on the protesters and ignore the looters.  If this isn't a sign that you're responsible for you and yours, and nobody else is, I don't know what is. 


As much as Motley Crue annoys me,

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 11:46 | 5102094 Harbanger
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I hope all those liberal white protestors, most of whom are opposed to the 2nd amendment anyway, get their ass beat by the looters.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:26 | 5102246 greatbeard
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>> most of whom are opposed to the 2nd amendment

You don't know that.  Actually the liberal whites I know don't treat the consitution and the bill of rights like a ala carte menu.  I see folks in your camp are more than willing to turn a blind eye to the abuses of the first amemdment, and others, as long as the second is spared.  That will come back to bite you in the ass.



Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:44 | 5102300 Harbanger
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Cognitive dissonance is a Liberal wanting big state intervention but not liking the police state that comes with it.

or wanting free speech but only if it's politically correct speech or

wanting a 2nd amndment but voting for the party that tries to ban guns at every turn.

The only thing coming back to bite America in the ass, is 50 years of liberalism that has been running our schools, culture and institutions.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 14:43 | 5102650 eclectic syncretist
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Right.......when Bush and Cheney had both houses of Congress on their side they straightened all that shit out......LOL

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 17:30 | 5103009 sylviasays
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Right.......when Obama and Biden had both houses of Congress with Pelosi and Reid on their side they straightened all that shit out......LOL

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:46 | 5102318 Son of Loki
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I sat up and learned alot when I watched the Katrina thingy and Bush just sat there twiddling his thumbs. He appointed a Federal Judge, Chertov [sp?] in charge of cleaning up the mess later. During the interview the reporter asked him why the gubmint didn't help these people. Judge Chertov looked at her, shook his head, and said, "Don't rely on the Federal Gubmint to save you."


That historic event, those historic words and the 12,000 that were shipped to my town [where crime subsequently skyrocketed] changed much the way I look at these things now.

Plan accordingly, an dif you're wise you'll pay attention to some of HH's advice here on this blog.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:56 | 5102358 Harbanger
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What you learned was part of the MSM blame Bush for everything campaign.  Ever hear of Ray Nagin, who was he?  Yes the chocolate city major of New Orleans who bears absolutely no responsibility.  Same with Hurricane Sandy on the east coast, everyones to blame except Obama.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 13:24 | 5102417 Pure Evil
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Plus, the governor of Louisiana at the time was a Democrap. She also did her part by not calling in the Feds earlier to help. Don't know whether this was decision on the behalf of the Demoncrap party to make Bush look bad, or she was just totally incompetent.

At the time, by law, the governor of the state has to request help. After Katrina the law was changed so that the Fed at their discretion can step in if they think the governor is not doing enough, especially if the governor refuses to declare a state of emergency which is what was required to call in the Fed.

Don't know if this was agreed upon at higher levels on all sides, but the end result is that the Fed has more power now over the states.

So, yes Bush twiddled his thumbs as was required by law. But don't worry, someone is here from the Federal government and they're here to help.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 13:50 | 5102497 CheapBastard
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What I glean from that is what that judge said [probably accidentally] "Don't rely on the gov to protect you."


This Fur-Gus-Son situation shows what that [honarable] judge is talking about.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 14:01 | 5102532 El Vaquero
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You are responsible for you and yours.  That doesn't mean don't call the fire department if there is a fire behind your house or an ambulance if your father is having a heart attack, but in a real disaster, don't expect any help, even if there is a fire behind your house or your father is having a heart attack.  If your emergency is an attacker, the problem is imminent and the cops are only going to be there to clean up the mess, and possibly look to throw you in jail. 

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 15:17 | 5102729 gatorboat
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Katrina allowed a big test of gun confiscation in New Orleans.   It went well.   

And no "2nd amendment patriot" response at all.  None.

Which is consistent with all the other tests of gun confiscation.  No "patriot" response at all.  None.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 15:51 | 5102804 El Vaquero
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Except for the people in CT who are refusing to register their "assault" rifles.  Katrina caught a lot of people by surprise.  When you hear the confiscation stories, a lot of them involve multiple cops with rifles (i.e. they had the drop on people) and people who didn't know what was coming.  Anybody who relies on things like Katrina as a "test case" is a linear thinker.  Public perception of government action can and will change, and what worked in the past is not guaranteed to work in the future.  

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:18 | 5102206 El Vaquero
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The downvotes had better be for Motley Crue. 

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 11:52 | 5102116 DirkDiggler11
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You are 100% correct Troll. Freedom should start TODAY by cutting off all EBT,WIC, Section 8 housing vouchers, Chips Medicade Funding, Obumma Phones, and about 50 other govt sponsored programs targeted at minorities.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:19 | 5102209 TheMeatTrapper
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I recently made a single comment on YouTube to the effect that government assistance was immoral, and that I believed that charity should be voluntary. 

I was attacked in the most obscene, vile manner you can imagine. I was threatened. The most vulgar comments came from females. Most of my attackers were white, lower income type "preppers". 

We have reached a point in this country where EVERYONE wants a free ride. The mentality is "If everyone else is getting a free ride - why shouldn't I?"

Trust me - the day the EBT stops working - the blood will start flowing, and you will be shocked at who is willing to kill to avoid being responsible for themselves. 

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:23 | 5102227 dizzyfingers
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The society of victimization. No one's responsible (for the decisions they make).'

Let the red arrows fly....

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:31 | 5102264 _disengage_
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Trust me - the day the QE stops flowing - the criminals will start jumping, and you will not be shocked at who is willing to jump to avoid being responsible for their crimes.


Sat, 08/16/2014 - 13:07 | 5102387 Nick Jihad
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It's no shock that the harshest replies came from femaies - who receives most of this forced charity?

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 13:21 | 5102432 TBT or not TBT
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Their brains were shaped by evolution to seek providing protectors and a community that looks after their welfare and rights.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 13:53 | 5102504 CheapBastard
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Ferguson casts a shadow of doubt on that whole "evolution" thing. 

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 14:43 | 5102649 El Vaquero
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Evolution only takes into account what worked in the past and what works in the present.  What is one of the strategies that works today?  EBT and getting paid to pop out kids.  It's not about evolving  to be a "higher" form.  It is about producing more viable offspring than your competitors. Evolution is alive and well.


No worries though, you won't be out-evolved by the FSA.  EBT and the wellfare state are unsustainable, and that which cannot be sustained, will not be.  We're going to get some of our rights back, including the right to starve to death.  Call it a large natural selection event.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 14:51 | 5102670 Terminus C
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You assume evolution is progression... I guess that makes you a progressive.

Your blind racisim makes you dumb.  Think before you speak.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 14:47 | 5102662 general ambivalent
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What you should all keep in mind is that the current ideas against state aid esposed by individualists developed due to centralised government. De Toqueville documents this very well in the monarchist techniques of containment used before the French Revolution. In allowing poverty to be alleviated by individuals (essentially an inefficient bureacracy was set up) individuals were forced to find their own means of getting by - either through begging, crime, transient labour, or the kafkaesque journeys to isolated bureaucracy.

Meaning that what many today propose as the ideals of individualism actually arise through the effects of the centralised bureaucracy of absolutism. Through dictats of the king the state is diffused into further individual titles and behaviours. Rather than the state having to endure both process and feedback it instead creates kings men which prevent corruption feeding back into the castle. The state can then protect its vital processes and survive into the next era.

One should be able to imagine how the state continues to function in this manner today. Relaying state processes to choice is a method of diffusing the state and allowing it to escape responsibility. We see this very clearly here. If the ideas come down to individual choice in Ferguson the choices are looters, policemen, or armed storeowners. This selection of on the ground choices does not change anything as none of these groups are the real problem, nor are they the solution. Whether you side with looters, police, or businessmen the problem remains: increased militarisation, bank plundering, psyop control of events.

Another example would be lining up for new ID or dealing with bills over the phone. Call-centres and diffuse bureacracy intends to divide the individual from any real power, the structure is set up to be self-sufficient so that individuals self-manage the institutions through individual choice. But in such institutions the individual only defeats himself, there is no real individual choice as he can only deal with the problem at hand or wander through the structure of bureaucracy. All of his choices are irrelevant, they are just strategies of selecting the appearance or the aesthetic of the state. The state as we know, has deepened.

And this is not new, we are just becoming aware of it. It becomes conspicuous to the extent we become aware of the monster we built. It was fine when it was chasing others, but when it turns on us we want to shut it down. This is what no one likes to hear, certainly, but it is the truth. What else were Kafka's stories about other than the individual wandering through bureaucracy and never being able to escape the monstrosity? Is it not the same for people in Ferguson? The stereotypes of the Free Shit Army are of wasteful parasites who give nothing and take everything (this stereotype is a bit akin to the bolsheviks calling the capitalists 'kulaks', when you think of it). But really there is little to envy in such an existence. Waiting for money to be distributed to you, using that money only on certain things, having no money for quality products, being surrounded by a wasteland, being surrounded by abstractions of prison, having to constantly make choices which have no meaning, having no activity which might create meaning, etc. Who wouldn't become violent in such circumstances?

What many won't like being mentioned either is that this mess was created by individualists. Greenspan was a member of Ayn Rand's circle of objectivist ubermensch, Silicone Valley and Wall Street have an endless cult of individualism and the capitalist spirit, and the psyops believe in and study the great individualists from Rand to Dostoevsky. Is not the deep state grounded in the ideology of social contracts and individualism? What is the state besides the shadow of individualists controlling the apparent state through their own will to power and ingenius ethics of social contracts? Are they not just buyers and sellers?

They are a little more than that, and that's why people should be questioning individualism and capitalism rather than preaching about returning to its garden of eden. It never existed. It was a lie.

If individual choice does not matter, if it does not matter who you support in Ferguson, if your contracts are but an aesthetic allowing the deep state to deepen further then what do we do? In regards to the question of charity it is clear that the misanthropic individualism of 'let them eat expired EBTs (or my bullets, but I won't call myself the state)' is simply centralised government calling itself individualism. Instead, shouldn't there be some balance in which people are neither driven to poverty nor misanthropy but to the means of a full functioning life? Not to just the means of participation of whatever is available, that law of capitalist democracy is what got us into this mess in the first place. That is the question for me, how to get to a society that is neither the choice and exhaustive poverty of capitalism, nor the law and deliberate poverty of socialism. How do we get beyond the good and evil of modern economies, and how do we maintain the free potential of individuals along with the meaning inherent in collective groups?

And how do we ensure the next society doesn't end in disaster, from ourselves becoming the new boss?

(I know this is really long, but hopefully there is something useful in it for people.)

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 20:27 | 5103448 Raymond K Hessel
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You are mistaking fascism for capitalism.  We don't live in a capitalist economy, we live in a fascist one.

The power of fascism is that it feels so much like capitalism it fools us.  Like your assertion that we make choices within the parameters of the system and thus are not making real choices, fascism allows you to make your own choices so long as you don't challenge the supremacy of the state.

Also, democracy is a horrible form of government because it is essentially mob rule, where the majority can make the minority do things it does not want to do.  It leaves no room for individuality only conformity.

The republic was a good start on the path of creating a government treated like the parasite.

We need to get back to that as a people.  We need to get rid of all these social justice programs.  We need to dismantle the regulations, the bureacracy, the standing armies on our streets, and we need to get out of own way.

Individual choice should matter.  We should try to get there.   

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 08:37 | 5104626 general ambivalent
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The problem is that fascism is a response to capitalism, it is hardening of the laws of democracy which comes about due to the contradictions of capitalism itself. What you did not deal with in response to my post is my overall point regarding the genealogy of capitalist ideals stemming from absolute monarchies. Capitalism arises due to conquest of territory, contradictions within the state, the enlightenment's rebellion against the church, and self-management of local territories of kingdoms (what we call property).

That is not to say that what many espouse as ideal capitalism is not better than what we have today. I'm sure it is a major improvement. My argument is in response to the people who seem to discount any role that capitalist logic has played in developing the tyranny we now confront. Where I pointed out that the objectivists and individualists, such as Rand, have contributed to this tyranny is quite damning for some of the ideas many choose to follow.

This is a problem of separation. Or the separation of powers. When are you separate? When is the nation separate from the king? When is capitalism separate from government? When are individuals separate from the collective? If we are completely honest such total separation is not possible. Emptying a building does not necessarily end the practises of the men who once occupied it - instead, if there was any value or necessity in the efforts of those men their efforts will be repeated. In other words, the efforts of the state will continue in another form. This should be clear in the contradiction of libertarians and constitutionalists cheering on the police state either because they have difficulty with black people or they assign a sacred collectivity to the law of property.

Individualism becomes collectivism once the individual adherents come to a certain level of sameness in their ideologies, either through necessity or law.

This is a problem which must be considered now, because if there is some contradiction at the heart of constitutional republics, or individualism, then that problem will fester until society ends in another disaster. There is clear evidence in the arguments here that many consider property sacred over human life, especially when the other human is unrecogniseable; either in reality or due to the aesthetic difference of skkin colour. There is also the problem of losing sight of what violence is to begin with. If one is born without property have they not been looted at birth? This leads to the idea of property being inherently violent in its law, it is a contradiction of choice as one individual is born with property, workers, farmland, and a gun while the other individual is not. The idea of working one's way into wealth is a religion doctrine carried over into capitalism. It is simply untrue, one cannot just work and become equal to the man with property. Genealogy takes precedence, there is more to individual struggles than basic economic contracts.

That is the fundamental problem with capitalist and individualist ideology, it is a negative form of theology as it mystifies contradictions out of the world so as to not have to deal with them. And that is where the connection to government comes in, libertarianism and individualism generally abstracts state laws until they are self-organising principles to live by. Again, this is clear in the idea of small militias taking over the role of the police state. The basic problem is never dealt with, instead it is just given a new reaction. Instead of a centralised government sent in to kill poor people the local residents militarise themselves and keep poor people out. It is just a diffusion of the state, the state's continuation through self-organisation. Property remains a sacred object for an abstract state to control. What we have in this circumstance is the inverse of the Russian socialists in their forced collectivisation of capitalists: they liquidated the kulaks, rounded them up, took their property by force, and killed most of them. Here it is that the poor people who have been taught to be recipents of social capitalism will be punished for being insufficient capitalists without ever having the right to the means of efficiency. How can they be workers without work? How can they magically transition from the collective of poverty to the collective of land ownership? Simple, they cannot. They are refused entry into the individualist collective because they were not predestined to it.

Capitalism and individualism have a genealogy of Calvinism and absolute Christianity, the purest collectivity. That is the contradiction at the heart of its problems.

If capitalists of the new republic refuse to start with an absolute reset, a total redistribution of property and the legal role of each individual as a seller then they have already betrayed capitalism (I'm certain you can see the contradiction in every person being a seller). They are the new crony capitalists, same as the old crony capitalists. And this absurdity gets to the heart of the matter, capitalism was never separate from forms of government, it is a theology of economy used by government to keep citizens trapped within a second order of politics, aesthetic poltics against practical politics. The separation of powers is a tactic of the state to increase its power, to extend its energy it must diffuse that energy throughout the land, making it efficient. Capitalism is a tool of political manipulation, of realpolitik. Nothing more than that, its theology of pragmatics and impartiality is just that, a theology. Capitalism, after the conquest of the New World, was carried off in the political identities of modernity, and it keeps them going. Capitalism works in all forms of government precisely because it appears to be impartial but is not. It is a tactic of state reproduction and the diffusion of its bureaucracy.

To end this, I should say I am not opposed to choice. Not at all. Quite the contrary, I wanted the widest array of choice to the extent that I don't think choice is enough. Like Nietzsche, I think we must go beyond choice. This means there must be something beyond choice of labour or instituting violence against the poor. We need a society in which people desire to work, but in a fulfilling form of work. And we need to live in a way that criminality is neither oppressive nor feared; nor its response oppressive and feared. Crime must be dealt with outside of police and militarisation, in both state and individualist form. This may mean coming to terms with the fact that man is an animal, and animals are violent - and that violence is often a contradiction in having to live within the void of law. We may have to go beyond law and order so as to live with the inherent contradictions of humanity.

That may appear muddled, or even naive, but what I am suggesting is returning to the questions of individuality, economy, and the law of good and evil through a return to the ultimate individualist, Nietzsche, and perhaps even questioning him.

Thanks for your response.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 15:59 | 5102820 FeralSerf
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The Zionists are getting a HUGE free ride at the expense of everyone; why shouldn't everyone else?

Until there's some prosecutorial EQUALITY, as opposed to discretion, in this country, you can and should expect a LOT more of this kind of behavior.

Steal a bag of potato chips, go to jail. Steal a billion $$$ from the taxpayers, pensions, or Joe Sixpack, enjoy your spoils.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:25 | 5102244 _disengage_
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Not that i like those programs, but instead of cutting 50+ of them... why not just stop all QE?

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:38 | 5102292 dolbiere
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50 more? geez, is that all? nothing to see here. kidding aside, you're right on target. charity has lost it's importance to governmental theft.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 13:18 | 5102423 ajax
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@Troll Magnet  +1000

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 10:48 | 5101891 Yes We Can. But...
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Free at last.  Free, at last.

MLK would puke.  So sad.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 11:59 | 5102139 Oh regional Indian
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Actually it's a little more than that now....

"FreeShit at last..."

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 10:52 | 5101902 e_goldstein
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Looks like Kwanzaa came early this year.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:28 | 5102253 duo
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If one of the stolen scratch-off lottery tickets is a big winner, do you think the state will prosecute?

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:49 | 5102331 Son of Loki
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Are you kidding?! The troppers already arrested that Paki store owner for attacking that robber with his throat! Charging the poor Paki with "excessive force."

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 11:10 | 5101974 Laughinggrizzley
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It even gets more wacky! From 2009...

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. — The Missouri Highway Patrol this week retracted a controversial report on militia activity and will change how such reports are reviewed before being distributed to law enforcement agencies.

The Highway Patrol also will open an investigation into the origin of the report, which linked conservative groups with domestic terrorism and named former presidential candidates Ron Paul, Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin.


Read more here:
Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:21 | 5102223 Took Red Pill
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and we wonder why it looks like a war zone; St. Louis police chief studied counter-terrorism in Israel!

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 11:29 | 5102046 goldsansstandard
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In the late eighteenhundreds in Bessarabia riots against Jews lasted for days.The CCzars troops stayed in their barracks..

To Serve and Protect the Czar.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:32 | 5102267 JR
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Historical incidents which can’t be now examined with witnesses and evidence are no substitute for the inhumanity we are seeing in real time such as the coordinated assault on innocent people in Ukraine and the bloodbath created by a military nation (Israel) out of control shelling the captive prisoners of Gaza.

Let’s talk now because the evidence is here and the actions are clear. You will agree that history cannot be trusted in that already we see massive inversion of the truth on what’s happening in Gaza. Would textbooks a decade from now be accurate in light of the substantial propaganda and lying news report from the owners of today’s media, who will be the publishers of the history books of tomorrow? Is Hamas going to write those history books?

Translation: American media – and most all Western Civilization media – is Zionist controlled as are Western Civilization's history books.

As to Bessarabia:

Official Russian version of events (wiki)

The Russian ambassador in the United States Count Cassini (maternal grandfather of fashion designer Oleg Cassini and journalist Igor Cassini) claimed in an interview on May 18, 1903:

"There is in Russia, as in Germany and Austria, a feeling against certain of the Jews. The reason for this unfriendly attitude is found in the fact that the Jews will not work in the field or engage in agriculture. They prefer to be money lenders. ... The situation in Russia, so far as the Jews are concerned is just this: It is the peasant against the money lender, and not the Russians against the Jews. There is no feeling against the Jew in Russia because of religion. It is as I have said—the Jew ruins the peasants, with the result that conflicts occur when the latter have lost all their worldly possessions and have nothing to live upon. There are many good Jews in Russia, and they are respected. Jewish genius is appreciated in Russia, and the Jewish artist honored. Jews also appear in the financial world in Russia. The Russian Government affords the same protection to the Jews that it does to any other of its citizens, and when a riot occurs and Jews are attacked the officials immediately take steps to apprehend those who began the riot, and visit severe punishment upon them."[6]

6 "Current Literature: A Magazine of Contemporary Record (New York). Vol. XXXV., No.1. July, 1903. Current Opinion. V.35 (1903). p. 16".

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 11:47 | 5102097 Freddie
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The BLM thugs had some Blackwater or Xe guys.   That was a set up to see if the citizens would take them out. 


Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:05 | 5102165 barre-de-rire
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told ya... expect nothing from this, it is like financial bubble,  in a week city is devasted, no more stores then police  move away, another point deleted from the map.


btw oms told ebola is WAY under estimated, with some +76 case per day.


still in race for the mass killing ill

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:32 | 5102271 RafterManFMJ
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What kind of a looter leaves behind all those delicious chips!?

You know you're lazy when you cannot even loot properly.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 10:38 | 5101830 Liberal
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Wonderful! This is wonderful! Free stuff for everybody, everybody! Come and get yours! It's FREEEEEEEEE!

Thank you, Mr. President!

Now go back to your gala and dance the night away.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 10:28 | 5101809 edotabin
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Yes, the border patrol will be renamed the welcome wagon and hand out cookies and bunt cake.

Goin' down baby!

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 10:12 | 5101758 Latina Lover
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Oh, and how do you like our 'disarmament' free zone now?

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 11:12 | 5101977 Pool Shark
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FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY: Please make your way to the nearest national chain store of your choice to continue your looting. Since any employees you may encounter in such businesses will be unarmed (due to corporate proscriptions on carrying of firearms by employees), you may continue your felonious conduct secure in the knowledge that you will not be fired upon or physically barred from taking whatever you wish.

Good luck, and have a nice, safe looting experience.

s/ Corporate Chain Store Management 

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 10:19 | 5101763 philipat
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As usual, Fred has all the answers:

But as a non-American, I can't really understand why a Nation of immigrants can't assimilate Blacks? Hispanics and Asians seem not to have any problem. And in The UK, Blacks are much more assimilated into the community. So what is it in The US which prevents Blacks from being assimilated?

And before anyone accuses me of being racist, I have lived in Asia for more than half my life and have been married only once, to an Asian woman for 35 years.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 10:28 | 5101810 COSMOS
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you should of stayed in the usa and married into the black community, then tell me about it dude

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 10:51 | 5101900 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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Does having been married into the "black community" (specifically, one from South Sudan) and living in Norway count as well?

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:46 | 5102316 angel_of_joy
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No ! Norway is not US...

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 11:34 | 5102064 Rootin' for Putin
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Having lived in both the US and UK i have to say there is something seriously fucked up with US blacks.  They have been raised on hate of whitey and as victims of something hundreds of years ago like it happened yesterday.  UK blacks are just people in the UK who happen to be black.
But UK blacks are not Africian-british or any of that divisive liberal double speak.  They are just people.

But you need to divide before you can conquer i guess.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:02 | 5102152 Citxmech
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Serial destruction of the family unit is one issue.  Subsidised poverty is another.  A less than worthless education system doesn't help.  And the targeted introduction of a massive drug trade in black areas along with a factory prison system pretty much seals the deal. 

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 14:26 | 5102611 California Nigh...
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In the deep South. blacks tend to far more civil.  The antics I've observed here in California just wouldn't be tolerated.

In the South, the whites are generally in agreement. And they all support a vigorous response to thuggish behavior. 

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 16:17 | 5102857 Freddie
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When they know it is not tolerated - they behave better. 

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 16:31 | 5102886 Terminus C
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Which is why our governments act the way that they do, because we tolerate theft, rape and murder in our name.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 13:03 | 5102382 Kinskian
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Didn't two of the Queen's duskier subjects cut off a white soldier's head on the streets of London recently? I don't see that as much of an improvement on US blacks, but the UK ebonics is easier on the ear I'll admit.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 14:55 | 5102679 Rootin' for Putin
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Well now you are adding islam into the mix, theres no fixing that kind of crazy no matter the race, creed or color of the person.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 17:37 | 5103022 Kinskian
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Islam has found converts among American blacks for decades, especially from within the prison population. The militancy of the religion appeals to those who are already given to hostility and violence, I don't think it is the source of the hostility and violence.

Northern whites in the US were once under the illusion that they could better assimilate blacks into their cities than southerners had done. Those illusions ended with the riots of the 1940's-60's. 

I've seen video of the 2011 London riots. I don't detect any advantage or refinement of character in the London blacks compared to blacks in Ferguson or any other American city. Good luck trying to make it so.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 10:36 | 5101836 Shad_ow
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There is profit to be made by race baiters and politicians who exploit them by characterizing them as victims rather than elevating them to their potential.


Sat, 08/16/2014 - 10:37 | 5101841 indygo55
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But are you black?

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 10:43 | 5101867 DeadFred
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My experience suggests that it is a cultural thing. The immigrants I've known from Jamaica, Trinidad, Nigeria and such don't have much problem assimilating. Even Kenyans can quickly rise to the top. My pet theory is that owners deliberately instilled a devisive mindset in their slaves to prevent them from banding together to overthrow the owners. A strong remnant of that culture and mindset has been passed down to today. I think it has a parallel in what TPTB are doing to the debt slaves today. House slaves vs. field slaves, red team vs. blue team, etc.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 11:16 | 5101914 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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Correct. The South African Apartheid regime used a similar method -- they gave colored people with a lighter skin tone better treatment and more privileges than colored people with dark(er) skin tones, fostering internal divisions among non-whites and preventing them from making common cause. This tactic worked well up until the point Nelson Mandela arose as a potent symbol for the anti-Apartheid movement worldwide.

The bone chilling part is that the Western media still uses a similar approach to this day. Colored women who bleach their hair and/or skin and use wigs, weaves or hair-extensions are given preferential treatment in the media over colored women who choose to remain natural. For all intents and purposes, the Western media promotes and rewards white-washing among women, and directly borrows from the practices of South Africa's Apartheid regime in how it goes about this.

Let that sink in for a moment, and let it sink in deeply.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 11:17 | 5101998 Pool Shark
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And of course, the rest of sub-Saharan Africa, that never experienced Apartheid, is all sweetness and light?


Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:53 | 5102348 Herd Redirectio...
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India's caste system is also largely based on skin color.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:05 | 5102166 Escrava Isaura
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Can't say about South Africa!

I live in Washington, DC and there are both blacks here—Americans and Africans.

I deal with them all the time. Africans are easier than Americans. Black American women are the worse, most difficult—again, I am generalizing.

The biggest issue I see: The way black Americans talk. Huge difficult understand them. Why they talk like that is beyond me.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 14:39 | 5102636 California Nigh...
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Yeah, why do they talk that way....

It's as if it is a rejection of all things American.

A big Fuck You to white boy. 

The situation now seems dangerous.

And the fact that in past riots, the rioters were not shot only makes it more dangersous, long term. 

Shoot one rioter now, and many other cities might go up in flames in "sympathy".

This rioting should have been nipped in the bud a long time ago. 

Instead, white boy cowered in fear and tried to appease the blacks.

The blacks only took this to be a sign of weakness. 

If I were a law abiding black, I would be very worried about the eventual backlash.

White boys might be naive and confused, now, but they are well armed and they can be quite vicious.

Arrogant thugs beware.


Sat, 08/16/2014 - 15:51 | 5102802 Escrava Isaura
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California Nigh...,

I would suggest you check this out:

By Blake Posey: This type of behavior existed 200 years ago, and is just the expression of the ghetto culture that hasn't been brought out of poverty, mainly because our politicians praise this behavior as 'black culture', when in fact it originated through the redneck culture.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 03:30 | 5104366 California Nigh...
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Thanks for pointing it out.  Don't know quite what to make of Sowell's idea. 

I'll have to give it a think. 


I've known some rather "backward" Southerners. 


But I've also felt the South to be a very friendly place, compared to the coastal cities.  


I've attributed that to the ethnic homogeneity and the feeling of safety from petty crime that I've felt on those occasions when I've driven eastward. Once past Albequerque, I no longer feel I have to lock my car doors every time I stop for food. 





Sun, 08/17/2014 - 09:07 | 5104668 Escrava Isaura
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My pleasure, California.

This is why I decided to join these forums. There are lots of misinformation’s and implicitly conformity to distorted facts.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 13:37 | 5102468 JR
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Nelson Mandela arose as a potent symbol for the anti-Apartheid movement worldwide. -- Eirik Larssen

Apartheid works both ways.

“We (Genocide Watch) are encouraging governments like Australia and the US to adopt liberal asylum policies for South African whites so they can leave South Africa.” – October 2012

That’s the result of apartheid in South Africa --

South Africa has gone “from being the safest country in Africa, to being the rape and murder capital of the world. In Johannesburg, 5,000 people are murdered every year,” while economically excluded white Afrikaners are now living in squalid squatter camps. 

See this:

"In jeopardy: Future of white South Africans -  Genocide Watch expert warns population on verge of extermination" | 06/15/2013 | WND

…From legally mandated race-based economic discrimination against whites to the thousands of farm murders targeting Boers across the nation, the problems are only getting worse. Poverty and unrest are spreading quickly as well...


The world’s most prominent expert on genocide, President Dr. Gregory Stanton of Genocide Watch, already warned last year that the Afrikaner population could be on the verge of a government-linked extermination campaign...

“There is thus strong circumstantial evidence of government support for the campaign of forced displacement and atrocities against white farmers and their families,” Stanton said in the Genocide Watch report, adding that the end goal was communist tyranny. “There is direct evidence of [South African] government incitement to genocide.” …

Among the myriad problems associated with the race-based employment system: mass emigration of skilled workers contributing to “brain drain,” soaring poverty rates among whites, chaos for businesses and more.

Hundreds of thousands of economically excluded (white) Afrikaners now live in squalid squatter camps throughout South Africa without so much as running water or electricity.

Hundreds of thousands more have fled to Western nations seeking a better life….

“Almost all whites are educated, literate and generally hard-working, so they should not be poor…The system makes them poor by denying them opportunities and expecting whites to be superhuman and to make money out of thin air.”


Sat, 08/16/2014 - 13:57 | 5102512 Herd Redirectio...
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And if you get rich, via insider government dealings (i.e. becoming a crony, offering kickbacks and all that), you are called a 'Black Diamond'.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 11:18 | 5101978 luckystars
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Haitians in Miami are moving on up owning homes. This realtor I met from there said the reason is because they don't hate whites, they were enslaved by blacks down there. So he said they are working two jobs, saving and so on. He said the Cubans are all rich there, educated, docs, lawyers, business owners.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:23 | 5102192 Escrava Isaura
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I just posted something similar to what you said above.

I am not buying your theory--it's too long ago.

I have this impression that black Muslins are easier to deal than black Christians.


Sat, 08/16/2014 - 14:22 | 5102598 booboo
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"I have this impression that black Muslins are easier to deal than black Christians."
"Impression?" Like a government boot print on your face and a state approve kollege duhgree?
Keep trying jr, sooner or later you'll get it.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 15:45 | 5102794 Escrava Isaura
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So, come to DC and check it yourself!

Don't worry. The black are the majority here. Then, travel east, into PG County, and most will be Africans.

Avoid driving around a Mosque, Friday, 1PM, because of trafic jam.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 10:53 | 5101908 Dr. Bonzo
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By no means authoratative, but I've talked to African immigrants, usually Nigerians, Somalis and Eritreans settled via some kind of UN baloney refugee asylum bullshit program... now mind you... this isn't _my_ assessment, but they look down their noses at "African Americans." They usually point out "African Americans" are about as African as Norwegian salmon, which is to say not at all. "African Americans" are blacks. Africans are Africans. It's a simple distinction that serves its purpose without having to belabor the point. Most African immigrants want nothing to do with the black population.

That said, I met a lot of super black guys in the service. Some of my best NCOs were black guys. I also realized in the service hanging out with some of the black guys that black culture is not a sub culture in the US, it is its own distinctive and unique culture. White service member hung out in "white" clubs, the black guys had their own clubs. It wasn't forced segregation, that's just how it seems to have evolved. Of course you'd see the occasional black guy show up in one of "our" clubs, and I ventured over to "their" club a few times, but I'll never forget the looks I got going in there.

I don't envy the black population in the US at all. They were dragged over in chains and heavily discriminated against from the very start. For a few hundred years the discrimination was institutionalized, then after institutionalized racism was abolished it languished through formal and informal habit, and most blacks were ghettoized. The lack of economic opportunity and casual social discrimination continued to drive a rift between the general population and blacks well into the 20th century. I think the forced integration in the service in the 50s lead the way for wider assimilation of blacks into the population at large, but the larger problems of economic despondency, lack of education, familial breakdown and now institutionalized criminalization have wreaked a heavy toll on the black community.

So here we are today. As others have pointed out... there's a permanent underclas of "niggers" in the US at this point. After 250 years of white institutionalized warfare against them, they are in effect insurgents. They don't aspire to alter their plight, they don't expect anything from whity and if the opportunity arises they rampage.

The problems within that segment of the black community are endemic. Criminal violence is simply the logical outcome of 250 years of deliberate, and then utterly failed government policy.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 11:26 | 5102036 El Vaquero
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I don't get the downvotes.  They got the shit end of the stick for hundreds of years, which is going to have an effect on culture. 


But at the same time, they need to wake the fuck up.  Looting an innocent person's store does not help them in the long run.  All it does is piss people off and make them look like animals.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:05 | 5102141 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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The downvotes are puzzling when you assume most of the people who frequent these forums are level-headed, sober and rational human beings. But once you start to take into account the virulently racist undercurrent that is present here, they will make sense to you.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:28 | 5102254 El Vaquero
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You're talking actual racism.  Yes, it is here.  It is also one of the most misunderstood and taken advantage of concepts.  Anybody here who doesn't like the looting and general carnal nature of what is going on in that community?  Understand where the culture comes from, look at what influence you can have on it, and move the fuck on.  The past was fucked up and the future probably will be too. It needs to be made clear to everybody that the fucked up past is not an excuse for the fucked up present.


If I was a store owner in Ferguson, I'd be out in front of my shop with a rifle, making it clear that looting of my shit and of my neighbor's shit will not be tolerated. 

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 16:04 | 5102829 Escrava Isaura
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El Vaquero,

A racial black racism? How is that different than Jew racism?

By Blake Posey: In the chapter 'Are Jews Generic' he makes the case clear that it's not just Jews that are consistently lashed out at, but there are other ethnic groups just like jews that are condemned not because of who they are, but because of how successful they are when immigrating into new societies to flourish and expand their family buisnesses. Being that some parts of the primary society at hand lag behind in economic terms, they tend to take their anger out on the small segments of society that move in and become middlemen by buying and selling goods in order to become successful from nothing. Envy drives the force of hatred among different types of ethnic groups, whether it be the Armenians, Jews, tribes from Indonesia, Asians, etc.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 17:03 | 5102945 Terminus C
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All humans are racist.  This is not exclusive to white people.

I spent time on a native reserve (six months) and they had an intricate "caste" system depending on how dark the skin was... too dark, "bush nigger" too light, "whitey".  An important factor affecting your position in that society was your skin tone.

Racism is a part of us all but how we deal with it, cognitively, is up to us.  Do we allow it to prejudice our thinking and guide our decisions or do we acknowledge it and use logic and reason to manage the visceral and emotional power of our racism?

Others here speak of evolution (in the progressive sense) and how these looters are behaving like animals (and they are) but to blame it on the color of skin without acknowledging any other factors demonstrates their response is purely emotional, animal...  This animal instinct is what your masters are preying on... they manipulate the population with emotion.

Don't be an animal.


Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:32 | 5102261 TheMeatTrapper
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Hey Magnus - when you have to live with the fuckers, you might know something about what you are talking about. 

Just a little insight, as long as the niggers are in the minority - they pretty much behave. The minute they become the majority, shit changes and shit changes fast.

Just because you are married to an African female and live in Scandinavia doesn't mean you know a damn thing about living in Niggerville.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 15:24 | 5102747 Dingleberry
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Blacks replaced physical chains with mental ones about 40 years ago.

Ironically, their worst enemy is the one who claims to help them.

Blacks are not in jail, dropping out of school, having 5 kids out of wedlock, on welfare, etc. because of white racism.

It is because of white liberalism.

At least democrats get steady votes. As long  as they keep them on the plantation.


Sat, 08/16/2014 - 16:52 | 5102935 ebear
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Like so many others, you're confusing race with CULTURE.


Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:14 | 5102191 Citxmech
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There is a certain percentage of each and every community that are friggen hopeless.  That's the big problem IMHO - "If I wake-up," how do I convince my neighbor to play the "what happens next?" game and take some responsibility to make their own life better.

I've lived in some pretty shitty areas in my life that had high concentrations of all flavors of garbage:  white trash, black trash, and hispanic trash.  Fixing any of the individuals in any of these groups would've been like leading a horse to water.  Good fucking luck.  

What happens instead is that the folks in these communities who have any kind of talent, passion, aspiration, work ethic, etc.etc.  MOVE THE FUCK ON.  

So what happens next?  The shitty area just gets more and more concentrated into a culture inward toxicity that becomes harder and harder to extricate ones's self from.  

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:19 | 5102219 dizzyfingers
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"So what happens next?"

Another round of urban renewal; the rich get richer, taxpayers foot the bill.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 13:19 | 5102428 El Vaquero
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Sat, 08/16/2014 - 11:54 | 5102126 FredFlintstone
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I had a Nigerian neighbor, a medical doctor. He always talked with a thick accent. I heard that at home he spoke great english (my children were good friends with his).

My sense was that he did not want anyone he came across in public to think he was an African American.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 12:26 | 5102250 TheMeatTrapper
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"After 250 years of white institutionalized warfare against them, they are in effect insurgents."

You are so fucking full of shit right there. 

Guess what - lotsa folks were enslaved. My ancestors voluntarily sold themselves into slavery to get here, and they haven't received preferential treatment, protected status, quotas and free everydamn thing else to make uup for it.

So just spare me the "niggas don't have a chance and it's completely understandable that they turned out like they have" horse shit. 

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 14:08 | 5102547 Herd Redirectio...
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Who operated the slave ships?  Many were Jewish, few were Christian, thems the facts.

Who sold the slaves to the slavers? African chiefs.

What was traded in exchange for slaves (who were usually POWs)?  Often, Rum.

Why rum?  It was part of a triangular trade, taking sugar from the Caribbean, to the East Coast, where it was made into rum, which was then traded in Africa, for slaves, which were brought to the Caribbean, and traded for.... Sugar!   And because the Africans placed a high value on it, and couldn't make it themselves.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 16:14 | 5102733 Escrava Isaura
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Herd Redirectio...,

You wrote: "Who operated the slave ships?  Many were Jewish, few were Christian..."

Can you supply links to 'many' related to 'few' on your statement?

To tell you the truth, I don't think you can, because it doesn't exist.

Sat, 08/16/2014 - 16:56 | 5102941 BruntFCA
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Here's some research by Rabbi Marc Lee Raphael,

The following passages are from Dr. Raphael's book Jews and Judaism in the United States a Documentary History (New York: Behrman House, Inc., Pub, 1983), pp. 14, 23-25.

"Jews also took an active part in the Dutch colonial slave trade; indeed, the bylaws of the Recife and Mauricia congregations (1648) included an imposta (Jewish tax) of five soldos for each Negro slave a Brazilian Jew purchased from the West Indies Company. Slave auctions were postponed if they fell on a Jewish holiday. In Curacao in the seventeenth century, as well as in the British colonies of Barbados and Jamaica in the eighteenth century, Jewish merchants played a major role in the slave trade. In fact, in all the American colonies, whether French (Martinique), British, or Dutch, Jewish merchants frequently dominated.

Here are a list of some of the Jewish owned ships


Name of ship 



Four Sisters
Anne & Eliza
Prudent Betty
White Horse


Aaron Lopez, Moses Levy, Jacob Franks
Issac Levy and Nathan Simpson
Moses Levy
Moses Levy
Justus Bosch and John Abrams
Henry Cruger and Jacob Phoenix
Mordecai and David Gomez
Mordecai and David Gomez
Nathan Marston and Abram Lyell
Wm. De Woolf
James De Woolf
Jan de Sweevts
John and Jacob Roosevelt
Moses and Sam Levy and Jacob Franks
Moses and Sam Levy


Source: Elizabeth Donnan, 4 Volumes, 'Documents Illustrative of the History of the Slave Trade to America' Washington, D.C. 1930, 1935 Carnegie Institute of Technology, Pittsburgh, Pa.


There are many ship lists you can check at the British Admiralty in Grenwich London

Just checking the first name of the list, Aaron Lopez, shows that he ran 21 slave shipments.

You can do more research by checking the extant tax lists from the early 18C - they list the taxable "assets" (slaves) of various prominent Jews. There are also a lot of African American researchers who've done more work on this. This research is common knowledge in Europe; hope this information helps.





Sat, 08/16/2014 - 18:14 | 5103077 ebear
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"Who operated the slave ships?  Many were Jewish, few were Christian, thems the facts."


I'm guessing this is your source for that little bit of enlightenment:

It lists 15 ships of Jewish ownership.

All that proves is that jews were involved.

Now do the math.  

Current estimates have the total number of slaves shipped across the Atlantic at about 12 million, although 20 million is also cited if the Carribean trade is included.

Now do the math.  At an average cargo of 200 slaves, your Jewish slave fleet would have to make 4000 voyages, or 266 voyages per ship,  to make the low end of that number.

A typical Atlantic voyage in the age of sail, including port time and refit, would take about 6 months, out and back.  So, each of those ships would have to be in service for 133 years to make those numbers.  And since 30 years is about the life expectancy of a ship of the day, your "facts" come up just a tad short, and we're not even factoring in losses through shipwreck and piracy, which were common in those times.

But keep watching those Jews.  I'm sure you can find something else to slander them with.



Just to be clear, those numbers were for the northern slave trade.  The Spanish and Portuguese were the principle agents in the southern trade and as of 1492 there were no Jews in Spain - they had all been driven out or converted to Christianity as part of the inquisiton, and most had also left Portugal by the time the slave trade got going.

To summarize:  Christians, Jews and Moslems (Pagans too!) ALL had a hand in the slave trade.

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