This page has been archived and commenting is disabled.
Looting Resumes In Ferguson; Local Police Ordered To Stand Down
After a day of relative peace, things turned ugly again in Ferguson when shortly after midnight crowds again resorted to looting and vandalism in multiple businesses along West Florissant Ave with the focal point being the QuikTrip convenience store which Mike Brown allegedly robbed. The incidents seemed to gather steam after 12:00am.
According to KTVI, at least 200 St. Louis County Police officers were on scene and helping handle the situation. They confirm the Domino’s Pizza on West Florissant was set fire and burned. They also confirm multiple businesses vandalized and looted. But the shocker happened when county Police told Fox 2 News that its officers were at the Ferguson Market earlier when looters showed up, but were ordered to “Stand down” by Missouri State Highway Patrol incident commanders at the scene and basically withdrew and allowed the looters to have their way with the store.
St. Louis County Police say they were told to stand down by the Missouri State Highway Patrol #Ferguson
— FOX2now (@FOX2now) August 16, 2014
So @stlcountypd says it pulled its officers from Ferguson Market and allowed looters to have their way. PD told by commanders to not engage
— FOX2now (@FOX2now) August 16, 2014
The Missouri Highway Patrol says they will have updates on why the police presence in #Ferguson is so light. Press conference later Sat.
— FOX2now (@FOX2now) August 16, 2014
So if the cops won't protect, then vigilante justice is inevitable:
Store owners guard Ferguson businesses with their own guns http://t.co/VqM92Xt9Hl
— FOX2now (@FOX2now) August 16, 2014
In other words, first appeasement in the international arena, and now, domestically. Is it surprising then that increasingly the death of Mike Brown appears to merely be a pretext for even more looting? One does wonder just where and why the order to replace the local police with a highway patrol presence came in the first place.
As KFTI further, reports, the Missouri Highway Patrol continues to have incident command at the scene. A spokesman said they are gathering information and plan a news conference later this morning. They did not have any solid information about damage, arrests, or injuries.
As of this morning the looting activity seems to have quieted, but local media outlets report live pictures of cars racing down West Florissant and driving erratic. Furthermore, after being told to stand aside, a strong police presence appears to be returning and moving down West Florissant and standing off with some protestors.
And just in case Ukraine wants some pointers on what "evidence" means, here is photographic and video proof of the overnight events.
West Florissant in Ferguson seems like everyone waiting for more to happen. @FOX2now pic.twitter.com/yVQlPw5LOO
— George Sells (@GeorgeSells) August 16, 2014
Inside of the partially looted market. It is still standing and largely unthreatened. pic.twitter.com/Cgkyv725xs
— Byron Tau (@ByronTau) August 16, 2014
Tempers high..so far 1 person shot 5 to 6 stores looted on W. Florissant a Domino's was on fire..Hwy patrol news... http://t.co/j0T02uOvsd
— Shawndrea Thomas (@ShawndreaThomas) August 16, 2014
Inside the Ferguson Market on West Florissant. Looters have been inside tonight. pic.twitter.com/hSowuReii8
— FOX2now (@FOX2now) August 16, 2014
Continuing coverage of Ferguson overnight violence on @FOX2now. Our crews reporting this may be calming slightly. pic.twitter.com/jmUJ4gCknl
— FOX2now (@FOX2now) August 16, 2014
That looked like a looter carrying a cash register out of Ferguson Market. pic.twitter.com/PG2Jl3jctQ
— FOX2now (@FOX2now) August 16, 2014
More loot being removed from Ferguson Market. pic.twitter.com/zvrOfAeCcw
— FOX2now (@FOX2now) August 16, 2014
Brazen looter in #Ferguson . Walking through our live shot pic.twitter.com/CbI4SBrMlE
— FOX2now (@FOX2now) August 16, 2014
Our crews with @FOX2now say the man in the white fedora has single handedly helped stop looters at Ferguson Market. pic.twitter.com/eVyfaTwIX4
— FOX2now (@FOX2now) August 16, 2014
Looters using shopping carts to move merchandise out of #Ferguson stores pic.twitter.com/3KiXBozOjI
— FOX2now (@FOX2now) August 16, 2014
Shattered calm: Riot police fire tear gas as looting breaks out again in #Ferguson http://t.co/c0nkcyT6dM pic.twitter.com/B8wc6Ik0iO
— NBC News (@NBCNews) August 16, 2014
Store owner standing in front of business in #Ferguson. Dealing with looters. pic.twitter.com/eqX97hJzES
— FOX2now (@FOX2now) August 16, 2014
Owners of SAMs Meat Market defending their store because they say police won't. @FOX2now #ferguson pic.twitter.com/TTG2eaCw5d
— George Sells (@GeorgeSells) August 16, 2014
#breakingnews looters destroy #Ferguson Mkt; no police responding; MO St PD ordered STL Co: stand down @FOX2now pic.twitter.com/8RnNWIsKT0
— Andy Banker (@andybankertv) August 16, 2014
This is what a looted store looks like. @FOX2now #ferguson pic.twitter.com/4ZNGExzqLQ
— George Sells (@GeorgeSells) August 16, 2014
Police now showing up in looted area. @FOX2now #ferguson pic.twitter.com/lgel7MyNTw
— George Sells (@GeorgeSells) August 16, 2014
State PD document looting/damage at #Ferguson store 5hrs after breakin; this is 1st response. pic.twitter.com/NnBfNz9aKg - via @andybankertv
— FOX2now (@FOX2now) August 16, 2014
Damage-looting at #Ferguson beauty supp and Ferg Mkt & liq. State PD drove by without stopping @FOX2now owners livid pic.twitter.com/e42pv7azM4
— Andy Banker (@andybankertv) August 16, 2014
Meanwhile, the entire world is watching:
The eyes of the world are focused on #STL. News crews from about every major network are in #Ferguson. pic.twitter.com/KCyD05VtIg
— FOX2now (@FOX2now) August 16, 2014
People who live in #Ferguson are cleaning up after the looting in the rain near the burned out QuikTrip pic.twitter.com/kIvCiw5LhX
— FOX2now (@FOX2now) August 16, 2014
So to summarize: the revolution may not be televised, but the looting will sure be tweeted.
»
- 46701 reads
- Printer-friendly version
- Send to friend
- advertisements -
I saw the video of the dead kid taken when he went cigarr shopping. I gotta remeber to just take what i want off the shelf and go home with it, if they trouble me about my shopping habits I'll just kick the little punkass shop clercks ass! Man I see the rest of the brothers done gone shopping too now. You'de think the town would appreciate all the retail sales they make'n!
His mother probably gave him money to get her cigs.
c
So the DOJ didn't want the robbery video released!
Oh wow!
Goldie Taylor @goldietaylor 3h
#BREAKING Robbery video was released over the objections of DOJ. Told #Ferguson PD it was inflammatory + non responsive to FOIA.
That shouldn't really surprise anyone. Obama & Holder have obviously been fanning the flag of race baiting and hate since they took office.
Think of them as a professional version of rabble rousers to the minor leagues of Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton.
Blackies working their magic yet again...and many blacks wonder why there is a "stereotype" towards their race. I see crap like this and it makes me think maybe the slavery blacks dealt with wasn't such a bad thing after all. If you can't act civilized and will go and fuck up the lives of others then I have no problem if you are viewed as someone's property. Just round up all the looters and rioters and drone strike them already.
Good of the police to do nothing about this while apparently threatening journalists and peaceful protestors. The police are awesome.
I'm a hooligan, and I'm okay,
I thug all night and I sleep all day,
and boost swisher sweets for ma.
Ok. After it's over walk 5 miles for a gallon of milk MOFO's. Do not repair or invest in rebuilding.
This is how "Food Deserts" are created. Then some priviledged white pHd student will reasearch obesity and diabeties in these hoods and come to the conclusion that there aren't enough healthy food choices available. Then the grants come and the TIF's to lure another sucker into opening a grocery store, and it will suffer so horribly under SNAP use and theft it will have no choice but to close. rinse repeat.
Thats right, burn down your own hood and then bitch about the man keeping you down.
They are obviously playing games and doing live scenarios and testing out various actions and reactions on both sides as well.
Local police in local police out
Militarized Swat teams in swat teams out
State police in State police out
Stand down orders to let looting continue
In addition this is sending a message to the rest of your country.
If you're smart you'll organize community responses to these scenarios now because it is coming to your city in the near future.
If you don't identify who did what in this situation, even at the highest levels, and hold them accountable they will just keep doing it again. Don't expect your local control hierarchy to do a damn thing for you. They will delay, deny, resist and cover up. As always you will need to go around them and take action if you want it done right. This will be met with resistance and force because you are challenging their criminal corrupt authoritie. But that's the position you're in now since you've let this get to this point. It will only keep getting worse as time moves forward.
Anyone that really believes that all blacks are the same will only be hurting themselves. I read a story a while ago where the only two people in a small town of around 2000 to stand up to the cross cultural corruption and collusion were one Hispanic man and one Black woman. There are good and bad in everything and everyone. Locating, assessing and consolidating the good or good enough will be halted by the bad at all costs. Considering some of the comments here and the current situation in your country it looks like you've got your work cut out for you. Unless you want to just give in to the evil that controls this world you better start adjusting your stereotypes enough to figure this out fast or you're screwed.
Hate whitey has been a perfect substitute for dealing with problems within the black community. Generations of entitlement programs are finally bearing fruit. Only thing is what happens when one person white or rather non black decides to take a stand at the door of his establishment with an AR. There will be a second war fought over slavery, the slavery blacks have placed on themselves through blind allegiance to the race baiters. Jesse and Al, where are you man, there's money to be made here.
We hate the Police , therefore we gonna smash up OUR shops , destroy OUR small businesses , OUR cars , OUR homes and rob everything we can in OUR 'hood.
Then we can demand from OUR government even more free shit !!!!!!
Guarding your business 24 hours a day gets old fast. It would be easier to close up shop. The small grocer here uses video cameras and posts pictures on the front window of people who are banned from the store. I guess his customers get one free looting session because there is no point in calling the cops.
I'm a hooligan, and I don't care
I don't work, I don't pay taxes, everything is free
I eat your lunch, I take your stuff
and your lawn is my lava'try.
Chorus: He's a hooligan and he's ok.
He thugs all night and he sleeps all day.
You forgot about the dealin' and pimpin' Honkey Ho's
I'm a hooligan, and I'm OK
I bone your little girl, I'm 6'4", the bitches can't say no.
I stick it in her ass, but I'm not gay.
chorus: He's a hooligan, and he's not gay.
He bangs all night, and he sleeps all day.
equality 7-25-1
Dude, you have every right to be mean or be a hoolingan.
I have every right to tell you right off that you're not a man.
A real man thinks first in the family, not tattoos.
A real man cherishes his community above all, watch your back and looking for help, I'll give you an example: a neighbor in front of my house had water cut because the child is drugged and she stopped working to care for the addicted son all our neighbors are providing water for her. Yesterday overnight a hose 150 feet in the box of stretched and filled her water 1000 liters of water she needed.
IIsso is called solidarity.
Saying "I'm hooligan, I am alone, I am self-sufficient" is the biggest crap you stuck in the head.
As if you were born in a barn, brooder whose son is egg left the ass of a chicken.
If I'm sorry, you have your opinion and have every right to express, I also have the right to tell me.
It is written in the Constitution where you live and reside (I believe that is the USA).
Respect that.
Finally,
Sr.HHooligan, I'm not give a shit for what you think is the syndrome of the cow (a cow shit and walk by the way, walks and shit at the same time).
Kind regards.
Alexandre.
How do you say /s?
The Lumberjack Song
Blacks were originally segregated for a reason.
They can't coexist with others in a civilized society.
Persons of African decent need their own country.
Like the ethnic Albanians and the Serbs back in the late 90's.
Seperation worked there and it will work here too.
The good blacks left the ghetto in the 60s, people like Ben Carson.
This is why there are so many vacant lots in black neighborhoods.
Bulldozer coming to Ferguson MO
No new investment coming, Business will pull out. People will move. Real estate values will plunge. Watch the death spiral.
And yet another maj black neighborhood will no longer have the tax base to maintain their school system. Then the schools suffer horribly, then they lose accredidation, then they close, then we are busing kids from yet another hood to areas that have schools. St. Louis is totally screwed up. Maybe we can reerect Pruitt-Igoe ina geodesic dome for these peoples.
Stealing shit rights all wrongs.
Do the Right Thing. The garbage can through Sal's window was way worse a crime than beating the boombox nuisance Radio Raheem to death. The people can be dealt with by a thousand cameras doing the legal aftermath, the glass replaced, the executioners denied; but that's not the point in Ferguson et al.
According to missouri police, MY first hand account, people aren't going to jail, they're going to "isolated detention centers" umm..?
'people aren't going to jail, they're going to "isolated detention centers"
Logistics training, eh.
I'm in Brazil and I do not feel entitled to opine on personal things of you out there in America.
The most I can do is give a statement of what I saw here in Brazil and Venezuela.
Namely:
The whole thing began in Venezuela with the worst riots of what you are seeing in Fergston, there was a bit in Argentina and then in Brazil, and tell those I witnessed on the throne.
When started in São Paulo, Brazil's financial capital, but it was with just cause, then dengringolou thing (do not know how to translate this expression).
President Dilma Rousseff has placed the federal police in the case (the FBI of you in the USA).
As well.
Our Federal Police found an old car with a suitcase full of dollars to be distributed to protesters, arrested everyone, tucked in federal jails and hunted people from north to south in Brazil.
The demonstrations ended abruptly.
Unfortunately, the FBI has of you as we get funded because there's a thing in my opinion is spontaneous.
Unfortunately, you will have to deal with this shit without blaming anyone.
It's something of you.
In my sense, is the beginning of the end.
After that will be Civil War II, but America loves a good war, that the whole world understands.
If you kill it, believe me, no country will intervene.
We all know how insane this is where people do not comprimentam eyes indeed, whether stare is offense.
Yes, I was hard on my observations.
There is a thing called "empathy" you banished it from your dictionary.
Perhaps for this reason are in this shit.
Kind regards.
Alexandre.
We didn't do this. We are victims of this.
This was done by Marxist Jew bankers and its been simmering since the mid sixties.
They declared America theirs just like they did in Russia, Palestine, Europe, Japan, Iraq, Libya and are trying in Ukraine.
Victims? Really? We are not victims, we are willing accomplices. We allowed this to happen. We were asleep at the wheel, comfy watching our reality shows, our Super Bowl, March Madness, etc., and we forgot that freedom is not free. You have to continuously fight for it, or it will be taken away from you. It comes with a very high price, often paid in blood. Few are willing to pay that price and will continue to cower until they no longer have a choice. So, don't tell me we're victims. We're comfortable frogs, allowing ourselves to be slowly boiled to death.
Maybe it's time all cops stand down everywhere, and allow honest citizens to learn, again, how to "police" and take care of themselves and each other?
Like it used to be. And still is in most of these rural counties.
Rely on government protection and see what you get. Government protected thugs pillaging and looting your passive way of life. Some wearing uniforms, some with pants down around their knees.
And what is it with these Black "communities" ( communes?) Not only do they not police their own diverse (divided?) populous, they encourage lawlessness by not stepping in and culling these shitbags from their midst.
Unfortunately, in the eyes of the vast majority of Americans, Blackness is ounce again being associated with helplessness and lack of self discipline. They, themselves, depended upon a police force that ended up filling one of their own societal failures full of holes, when a single round in the leg, or, earlier, maybe some semblance of mores, would have sufficed.
All they want is a slice.
President Obama Friday for allegedly abusing the powers of his office by carrying out a fudge packing event as a threat to veto funding for state prosecutors investigating public corruption - making the possible 2016 presidential hopeful his state's first indicted governor in nearly a century.
TEXAS' PERRY INDICTED FOR COERCION FOR VETO THREAT
Tyler, the fake video converter is still place. Imagine yourself at a airport. CNN is rolling off news. Are not watching. Do they get credit for artifical headcount strolling through the airport, yes. Stop this nonsense.If Obama had an extended family....
Amazing. The police are known for their reign of terror is recent years, shooting many, many innocent individuals, swat teams raiding homes without warrants, blowing up a device in a baby's face, killing family pets, beating citizens black and blue, but stand down when hordes of criminals are looting and burning down businesses.
They did this in Oakland CA riots over Oscar Grant. They allowed them to loot the footlocker, cuz looters run away after.
We watched in horror as they let them do that.
There is an exit proven effective historically speaking.
The State should take full contingent in the community.
Leave the "stick eat."
Mexico did it in the South, communities have returned to normal, and with greater force.
The British were experts in the art, used much in colonial India.
Withdrew its troops from conflict areas, after the thing came back gradually calmed.
Just seeing a uniformed man, armed, generates an insane adrenaline in the population.
"They're the enemy," we will fight and break everything.
Think about it as well.
Karaio,
Outstanding 4 comments you made in this thread!
Keep it coming. We need more of that thinking and less meaningless jargons—to disguise a lack of new ideas, understanding, and logic.
It's interesting to think how universities, as well as life, can produce so many educated fools.
Sometime I wonder what I read come from deluded people, or, if they are just part of a massive Ponzi scheme.
LE stands down. Public safety shown to be a myth. If you don't own a firearm, you're of no use to your loved ones and it would've been better for them had they never met you. You better man up. Time is short.
Right after the San Francisco earthquake in 1906, the word went out, looters will be shot on the spot.
Wow, citizen enforced law! What a novel concept.
Although, time and again the courts have reaffirmed, police are not charged with "preemptive" crime prevention. Only enforcement, after the law is violated.
It is the DUTY, of citizens to enforce the law, as well.
We can either self govern, or demand that an all powerful State govern us.
But by granting full consent to a central justice department, appointing the likes of Eric Holder it's attorney general, or any other power center apparatchik for that matter, then sitting back and expecting corruption to not creep in, well,,,,, see what you get in the old trade off of liberty for security.
There's an appropriate time to release the video, and that's in COURT in connection with litigation against the police department, NOT prior to any charges being filed. Shameless effort to pollute a future jury pool.
No wonder this jackass police chief is hanging by a thread at this point. Wouldn't be surprised if the Governor puts his ass on paid leave come Monday. Jury polluting or not, the family is going to get a multi-million dollar settlement from the city when the dust settles. Police chief just wanted to incite more looting. Not exactly "protecting and serving" the community, more like "protecting and serving" the police department.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdIHFM27IhM
This reminds me of a black version:"Of Mice and Men".
His buddy is lucky the store clerk didn't shoot and kill the guy as the partner would have been charged with murder.
It’s too late for Furguson; and it’s certainly not a “revolution”. Most people don’t realize that there are two kinds of revolutions: one that advances tyranny; and one that advances liberty; one I call Judeo-Bolshevik; the other, American. Of the thousands of slave uprisings that have occurred in man’s long tortured story, only three have advanced the cause of liberty (Athens (year -508), England (1620-50) and America).
And, if aggrieved parties rise up to seek redress without full knowledge of the law, history and procedures of redress, their uprising will always end in suicide. This seems to be a major lesson of history. The English first publicly declared their right of redress with the Magna Charta (section 61) in the year 1215. However, it took them 400 years and oceans of blood to develop reasonably effective procedures of redress (an introduction).
Do rioters of Ferguson look like they have the needed knowledge to execute an American revolution?
Of course not. Whether they know it or not, they are Judeo-Bolshevik dupes waiting for a chance to self destruct.
(Follow my other comments: click my name, thanks.)
There is going to be a civil war, then return to original American Constitution.
anyway, that's what I think
If there is another Civil war there simply will not be enough resources to provide for the vanquished after the country rips itself apart. No matter who wins, those FEMA camps will get filled.
I once lived in Oz and the same numbers applied.
Statistically,young black men kill other young black men.
The destruction and property damage,looting is always blamed on frustration,lack of opportunity.
The police event will always be seen as a spark.Often these occurr during summertime,not in 40 below weather.
This town will be some time repairing itself.
Where are the parents? Where are the Fathers?
No leadership. No respect for Elders who might counsel patience.
I always admired MLK for his stoicism,courage.I always liked his stand against the war in Indochina....
I fear the poor man is spinning in his grave right now....
Disheartening to see ZH take a stand against police during the Bundy standoff but not here. Bundy is on welfare (having his land managed and restored by BLM despite not paying applicable grazing fees).
Why distinguish between black and white welfare recipients? Let 'em all get shot or none of them. I earn my paycheck without subsidization from the federal government and these welfare queens all look the same to me regardless of race.
more like we should give credit to white trash for not rioting and looting.
Well that one couple at the Bundy ranch later went on a shooting spree, so the damage is on both sides.
the cops are definitely not without blame here and all over the country. i think dorner had the right idea. no one is safe from le power abuse. the revolution will happen when we all riot together.
Exactly. This petty divisiveness prevents people from unifying. Either we all unify against the rise of the police state, or nothing gets accomplished.
a look into the near future, post collapse.
hurricane andrew literally destroyed the south side of miami to the keys. (we complained about fema taking three days. compare that to the great job brownie did). there was store looting but there was also neighborhood looting. devastated neighborhoods formed temporary militias to protect their homes. they were not protecting the neighborhood from white people. get ready this is coming to a neighborhood near you.
re ferguson- fuck them! let the dumbsses destroy their neighborhood. they will have to travel ten miles to get a pack of blunts, let alone a can of beans. unfortunately for you the stores they will go to are in your neighborhood.
it is not just the street level community. bill cosby has been ostracized by the national leadership of the black community for imploring the community to get an education and speak proper english. at some point, you have to give up on the bad seed. perhaps now is the time. unfortunate for the good people.
Semperfudge: Disheartening to see ZH take a stand against police during the Bundy standoff but not here. Bundy is on welfare (having his land managed and restored by BLM despite not paying applicable grazing fees).
You mean the land that was in his family for three generations BEFORE BLM was even foisted upon ranchers that he as well as his family have always paid local and State taxes on.....?
The BLM actually performs services that make the land suitable for grazing as well as for conservation efforts. Bundy's cattle do NOT stay exclusively on his land, but also roam freely on public lands. Thus, those fees should be paid because he uses public lands which I and other taxpayers pay to maintain without paying his fair share for the land's use and availability. Those fees pay for:
1) killing wolves and other predators
2) environmental conservation, especially related to endangered species
3) prevention of environmental degradation over time
If Mr. Bundy is happy to provide those services himself, then I see no reason to assess a fee. Until then, he should have to pay. Plus, the fact BLM didn't exist until recently is irrelevant, as the federal government has authority to regulate the use of federal lands under the Constitution regardless.
No "federal land" was ever ceded to the federa; government by any state governments. The federal government has no lawful jurisdiction outside DC.
Gringo Veijo: LE stands down. Public safety shown to be a myth.
LEO is not obligated to step in and protect life or property. Look at the supreme court ruling on this. They're all fucking mall police with better hardware.
I court reporter could do their job, and much more effectively. How hard can it be to fill out a report?
They should leave the place destroyed.. stupid assholes. Let them enjoy all the squalor they just created with their childish looting.
Can't a Brother go shopp'n with out Police done hassel our asses? Rascism! Were's brother Al Sharpton! "Trevon"! "Trevon!"
This is all setting up for an even bigger battle. The store owners verses the insurance companies over who is going to pay for this mess
Mission accomplished:
“I’ll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.” —Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One“These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.”—LBJ
Maybe its time for the blacks to wise up. They have always been used as a voter block for the democratic party who doesn't give a rats ass about any of them. Remember, the KKK was started by DEMOCRATS, not Republicans.
“I’ll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.” Lyndon Baines Johnson about the Great Society plan.
A conversation between Senator Ted Kennedy and former President Bill Clinton in which the latter says about President Obama, "A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee
Margaret Sanger - Hillary & Obama are big fans of Margaret Sanger.. She was absolutely Hitlarian, and Hillary's self proclaimed hero. She wanted to exterminate black babies as a step in getting blacks out of this continent, because she thought they were not good enough to live among "us" as she put it.
Helicopter coverage blocked by FAA restriction over riot area. The DOJ wanted the cigar robbery video blocked. The image of the riot is being controlled
Posted by Jim Hoft on Tuesday, August 12, 2014, 7:44 AM at Gateway Pundit:
Our only press is now the cell phone, and California just passed a Kill Switch bill. We are one Kill Switch away from a perfect storm
The only crisis in Ferguson is ignorance amongst an uncivilized group of government dependent bum's.
Some of the most bizarre law enforcement I have ever seen.
Semperfudge:The BLM actually performs services that make the land suitable for grazing as well as for conservation efforts. Bundy's cattle do NOT stay exclusively on his land, but also roam freely on public lands. Thus, those fees should be paid because he uses public lands which I and other taxpayers pay to maintain without paying his fair share for the land's use and availability. Those fees pay for:
1) killing wolves and other predators
2) environmental conservation, especially related to endangered species
3) prevention of environmental degradation over time
If Mr. Bundy is happy to provide those services himself, then I see no reason to assess a fee. Until then, he should have to pay. Plus, the fact BLM didn't exist until recently is irrelevant, as the federal government has authority to regulate the use of federal lands under the Constitution regardless.
SemperFUDGE....member for 18 weeks...
MKKKAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Some funny shit there hoss. How the hell did Bundy and his predecessors even manage to raise cattle without BLM. Hahahahaha
God, what a shill. How much are they payin' you to spew this bullshit?
So you think Bundy and his family never shot a predator? That's part of a ranchers JOB you clown. Did they (Bundy's) destroy the land in the previous 100 years? LOL
Endangered species = ranchers.
Lol calm down bro, it's a Saturday chill out. I don't think BLM's show of force was appropriate but the fees should still be collected all the same. At the very least, it's unfair to make all the other ranchers who have been paying fees on time and w/out objection let Bundy get a free ride. Calling me a "shill" is just BS, as you can tell from my wide range of comments, many of which show zero support for government activities.
Plus, ranchers and farmers throughout history HAVE had to cull predatory animals (and still do to this day) in lieu of governments that have performed the same functions.
If you think BLM just collects these fees as some kind of massive conspiracy to imprison and destroy farmers maybe you should check out Infowars and become an Alex Jones sheeple.
monkey see, monkey do
please
how about some political correctness
N Amerikan asphalt apes
If you're supporting people like Bundy without supporting people like Brown, expect no support from anyone except your own side.
If you're supporting people like Brown without supporting people like Bundy, expect no support from anyone except your own side.
Together we stand, divided we fall. An over-militarized police exhibiting a tyrannical show of force should be viewed the SAME under any circumstances, regardless of the skin color of the individuals on the receiving end. Brutality and lawlessness is the same regardless of against whom it is being inflicted. You don't have to be for rioting and looting to be against police shooting an unarmed kid in the back.
I am against the militarization of the police.
Me too. It's just getting out of hand. Remember when all these fancy gadgets were only going to be used against the "terrorists" and the "evildoers" of the world?
hahahahaha
A second Detroit, this time in the South.
Bundy News Conference from Ferguson Live 3:15 p.m.
This is the most insane fucking thing I've ever witnessed in my entire life. Line up a bunch of blacks behind a fucktard Governor.....drag out the preachers, and they're shouting JUSTICE WILL FLOW DOWN.
What justice. A big black motherfucker tries to overtake a police officer and gets his black ass killed. W T F did they expect...the officer to just let Baby Fucking Huey get his gun and either kill him or pistol whip him like he did the convenience store employee. Fuck me people...this is insanity....Pandering to a bunch of out of control ni**ers that are out of control.....the same type of fucktards that allowed an OJ Simpson to walk free after brutally slashing two people's throats.
The only way to satisfy this blood thirsty mob of hoodlums would be to string the cop up and publically execute him. The press conference is out of control already........get ready St. Louis....your city is about to fucking burn to the ground. Lock and load....and get ready to protect your sorry asses from the savages living among you.
Shut up you racist piece of shit. At least THE INTERNET will still listen to you, since your family probably can't stand those awkward Thanksgiving dinners anymore, right? God. Just shut up and don't bother censoring the n-word if you're going to use it. Be a man and say it without the convenient anonymity of the internet if that's what you really think. Coward.
Semperfudge:If you're supporting people like Bundy without supporting people like Brown, expect no support from anyone except your own side.
If you're supporting people like Brown without supporting people like Bundy, expect no support from anyone except your own side.
Together we stand, divided we fall. An over-militarized police exhibiting a tyrannical show of force should be viewed the SAME under any circumstances, regardless of the skin color of the individuals on the receiving end. Brutality and lawlessness is the same regardless of against whom it is being inflicted. You don't have to be for rioting and looting to be against police shooting an unarmed kid in the back.
Nice try at sidetracking.....................
I'm just a mildly amused observer laughing at the shit show my country has become."You don't have to be for rioting and looting to be against police shooting an unarmed kid in the back."
Well, lets wait for all the facts to roll in.
Seems he had a physical altercation with a (mall) cop when he approached the (mall) cop in his car... a wrestling match ensued where the (mall) cop discharged his firearm. Assaulting a police officer is a felony, especially double plus so when he is in full mall cop costume.
Although a (mall) cop is not OBLIGATED to shoot a fleeing felon, he is within his legal rights to do so if he believes the felon might commit grave bodily harm or death to others.
That's the law. It may be fucked up, but that is the law.
As a lawyer, I can assure you that is NOT the law as it relates to a fleeing suspect/perp. This supposed "rule" of law doesn't even apply to real cops, let alone mall cops. Quit talking, counselor. Oops, your ignorance is showing! Why don't you point out to me the statute you're using in support for your outlandish proposition?
.
You're right, except that isn't the context of the comment you're responding to. The comment you're responding to specifically talked about a dangerous (poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury) felon, which at least in my state, can be stopped with deadly force while fleeing, irrespective of Tennessee v. Garner.
EDIT: I am not an attorney, nor do I play one on TV. I do however, take my natural right of self-protection seriously and in the context of our exsiting legal framework, such as it is. I am not a sworn peace officer and never have been.
Liberals call for drone strikes on Bundy ranch.
tracked some of down today and they are in support of the looters.
Its too late, civil war is coming.
http://buzzpo.com/thanks-harry-reid-liberals-twitter-call-drone-strikes-...
They don't believe in gun rights, but they're OK with drones , as long as they get to choose the targets. Typical.
Good news for the rest of us, most bellicose liberals know nothing about military or guns and such..
But, oh, how they drone on and on, anyway..
What we are seeing here is a prelude of what is coming. What do you think will happen when the Free Shit Army stops receiving their free shit? It will make what's happening in Ferguson seem like a Sunday picnic. And just like Ferguson the police ain't coming to save your asses, they have their own families to worry about. Prepare accordingly, the shit will be hitting the fan sooner than we think.
Then the civil war starts. I better buy more guns.
Would the Free Shit Army include Bundy who grazed his cattle on public land w/o paying for many years?
Would it include most American farmers, who receive federal farm subsidies?
Would it include all of the middle class people who receive tax deductions based on the size of their mortgage?
Would it include the large corporations that manage to make huge profits and still have many years where they pay net 0 taxes (e.g. GE, Exxon)?
Would it include retirees who receive more in Social Security than what they paid in?
I can assure you that you have as much to fear from those interest groups as things get harder than you do from people in the inner cities. They may pick your pocket in different ways, but your pocket will still be picked.
Getting free stuff from the government is not a black, inner city thing. Almost all of us - including many of the ZH founders who used to or still work on Wall Street - have benefitted from government largesse in one form or another.
The State's job is to investigate crime, not prevent it. To ask for police to set up protection for these businesses simply takes us down the road to MRAPs more quickly. Let the shop owners and residents protect their properties. Let the State send in ambulances and investigators. There will be a surprising reduction in violence.
curfew my a$$
A lot of the militarization of local police is local police using military equipment handed to them by the Obama administration. Who wouldnt use maximum equipment during a riot. Especially when riots now are 'bluetooth' riots. The mobs communicate with headsets, and texting and can outflank you easy.
There has to be a reason the Obama administration is handing out intimidating camo and armored vehicles - no strings attached. IMHO they want the cops to use the equipment, and justify the vilification of local police
Meanwhile, they are building small armies at the federal agencies, and loading up on hollow point ammo. Is that hollow point for breaking up mobs looting beer from party stores?
As I watch the press coverage and the way the militarization issue is being targeted against municipal police, I smell a tactic by the Federales to transfer public trust to a Federal police force
I keep seeing the Drone Ranger coming in as the hero in the end.
The whole thing is a set up with all these different police agencies.
Like Dorner, that was a fake. I think Obama wants to federalize all
police departments.
As I watch the press coverage and the way the militarization issue is being targeted against municipal police, I smell a tactic by the Federales to transfer public trust to a Federal police force
That would jive with Obama's stated goal of having a domestic force as well equipped as the military.
Gut the military and transfer hardgoods to LEO's. Bingo. First step might be assigning a Federale(FBI or other Bureau) to each PD in a COMMISAR-type role.
See also, THe Chekist
Wahoo: The State's job is to investigate crime, not prevent it.
I uparrowed you. Having said that I'd say that apparently now the States job" is to fabricate crime. It's a form of job security. They're damned good at it too.
I can't imagine the elites want these people as their serfs, they won't work.
Appears they want us to kill them, and they kill us.
Where's the leader of the Free Shit Army in these trying times?
Oh, that looter is on vacation!
felix2
+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
One of the few who can see the bigger picture at hand.
Grab my gun weather a Cop or Not, you got it comin to ya.
Semperfudge:As a lawyer, I can assure you that is NOT the law as it relates to a fleeing suspect/perp. This supposed "rule" of law doesn't even apply to real cops, let alone mall cops. Quit talking, counselor. Oops, your ignorance is showing!
Actually is does. Nice try AGAIN at twisting words. I did NOT say fleeing SUSPECT or PERP.
It DOES however apply to FLEEING FELON if the cop in a costume believes the FLEEING FELON poses a serious risk of bodily harm or death to others.
So typical of a lawyer though, twisting words.
You must have slept through that 90 minutes in class.
It's so simple even a lawyer should be able to understand. Lair for hire.
Assault cop = felon.
Flee the scene = fleeing felon.
Cop is well within his rights to do what that cop did. You don't like it? Re write the LAW.
Show me the AUTHORITY for the proposition that a mall cop can shoot someone who is already in the process of fleeing the scene of an assault.
Love it when lay idiots try saying what the law is.
Use of deadly force is perfectly legal in the pursuit of a strong arm robbery suspect. The suspect is clearly involved in a strong arm robbery, as is plainly seen in the released tape from the convenience store. Regarding the interaction between the officer and Brown, all we have is conflicting eyewitness accounts.
All you do is confess your biases if you are rendering your judgement of the officer's actions at this time.
"Although a (mall) cop is not OBLIGATED to shoot a fleeing felon, he is within his legal rights to do so if he believes the felon might commit grave bodily harm or death to others."
--Duc888
Care to show me the statute in support of that proposition, counselor?
ROFL
zellie @zellieimani 1h
Jesse Jackson getting booed off for asking for donations for church. #Ferguson pic.twitter.com/osEUt54EtE
Curfew set up for tonight, locals predict it will be gasoline on fire.
state of emergency = martial law?
Some protestors said "they want martial law" reporter "they got an assult rifle pointed at you now, want?"
plus curfew, so yeah its martial law.
Semperfudge: Care to show me the statute in support of that proposition?
Actually in my State it applies to civilians with CCW's too. Not saying you won't get your ass sued off in civil court... but it is well within the law as it is written.
It's well-settled that once a person has started fleeing, you're no longer entitled to the self-defense claim. Every state. Regardless of whether it involves police, a civilian, a gun, etc. You're not going to win this one. You keep saying it's "the law" but you can't say what law it is, or even a case where this "law" has been applied. Just stop already.
Fear does not = threat.
Whether a person fears an "imminent or harmful contact" is actually an element in many state tortious assault claims. But yes, just because a person might "fear" something doesn't mean an actual threat has been posed (what if the fear was unreasonable under the circumstances?)
Actually, in some cases it does.
Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985)
Some states have laws on the books that are outside of this more narrow ruling in scope and remain there. However in my state, the use of deadly force in the context of a dangerous fleeing felon applies to not only LEOs, but CCW holders, armed security guards and armed private investigators, so the emphasis is placed on the more restrictive Tennessee v. Garner for non-LEOs and may well be for them as well.
Shameless Democrats!!
Zerlina Maxwell @ZerlinaMaxwell 1h
america! RT @BusquedaJess: where Mike Brown was killed, they've set up a voter registration table #Ferguson pic.twitter.com/MhaoZIhzen
Has the preliminary autopsy been done? If so, did it come back with a full mag emptied into Mr. Brown? Were some or all of the shots in his back?
The Stranger
by Rudyard Kipling
The Stranger within my gate,
He may be true or kind,
But he does not talk my talk --
I cannot feel his mind.
I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
But not the soul behind.
The men of my own stock
They may do ill or well,
But they tell the lies I am wonted to.
They are used to the lies I tell,
And we do not need interpreters
When we go to buy and sell.
The Stranger within my gates,
He may be evil or good,
But I cannot tell what powers control
What reasons sway his mood;
Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
Shall repossess his blood.
The men of my own stock,
Bitter bad they may be,
But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
And see the things I see;
And whatever I think of them and their likes
They think of the likes of me.
This was my father's belief
And this is also mine:
Let the corn be all one sheaf --
And the grapes be all one vine,
Ere our children's teeth are set on edge
By bitter bread and wine.
To think that Rudyard spent a large part of his life in India amongst "infidels and heathens" whose soul he could not fathom.
Being totally impervious to their culture he even invented Gunga Din in his own image of the docile Stranger who recognised the superior soul of the British sahib ! The irony!
When the legend serves the Imperial purpose; there is a lesson there to be partaken with the indigenous of Ferguson of high melanin content!
Get Rudyard to convert them all into Gunga Dins. Let him play at Nutty Yahu in Gaza.
Oh if only "I have a dream" were not such a scream away from reality!
Say you are in your house or business and notice a group of 11 rioters quickly approaching as you stand at the doorway of your place… The rioters are crossing the property line as I type…. The ‘police’ are mulling across the way and you are in plain view, obviously the frontier. You are under siege, but happen to have a stocked-up Kel-Tec KSG in hand.
Do you wait to be overrun or start firing into the crowd?
halt and identify yourself
halt and identify yourself... or i'll shoot
halt or i'll shoot... this is your last warning
commence firing until threat stops advancing
Whatever happens and in fear for your life, the narrative after the fact, via your attorney, must be such that any reasonable person upon hearing said narrative would say to themselves, "I'd have done the same thing".
Justified.
There will come a time that the Whites, those Christians who FOUNDED and CREATED America, will have been pushed far enough:
THE WRATH OF THE AWAKENED SAXON
by Rudyard Kipling
It was not part of their blood,
It came to them very late,
With long arrears to make good,
When the Saxon began to hate.
They were not easily moved,
They were icy -- willing to wait
Till every count should be proved,
Ere the Saxon began to hate.
Their voices were even and low.
Their eyes were level and straight.
There was neither sign nor show
When the Saxon began to hate.
It was not preached to the crowd.
It was not taught by the state.
No man spoke it aloud
When the Saxon began to hate.
It was not suddenly bred.
It will not swiftly abate.
Through the chilled years ahead,
When Time shall count from the date
That the Saxon began to hate.
Amazing how Rudyard Kipling, bard of Pax Britannica and Britannia rules the waves, forgot to mention in his ode to the Saxon strain, legacy of his ancestors, that his allegiance to Christianity, to the Children of God, was now enshrouded by his ode in hate, beckoning the coming of darknes to the soul of the people who forever proclaimed their "undying faith" in the Religion of love.
"God wills it", like the notion of Jihad, as now commonly interpreted today--unlike its original usage---has always been about HATE, not about peace and love.
And WHITES are just homo sapiens lacking in melanin.
Those whites who founded the US sure did some ethnic "spring" cleaning as a beginning, like their Spanish counterparts two centuries before them.
It's like I remind the Scottish half of my family...take your guys in plaid skirts and move them closer to the equator and what do you have?
Somalia.
I just like to piss them off.
Alot of the awaken saxon's kids are talking like the gangsta rap posse with no idea who the BIS/FED/IMF/WB or their agents are. When they're pushed too far, who will they retaliate against?
I'm just waiting for someone to complain their Dominos delivered pizza's late and that it too should be free. Oh the humanity.
.
Obama should resign....
"Actually in my State it applies to civilians with CCW's too. Not saying you won't get your ass sued off in civil court... but it is well within the law as it is written."
--Duc888
Uh, you'll get sued if you have MONEY. And that's only after you're convicted of murder in the State's case against you for shooting a person in the back. And you won't have a self-defense claim, or any other kind of claim, for that matter, for shooting a fleeing person in the back. You're watching too many daytime court TV programs.
Run and hide, Duc888, run and hide. In the meantime I'm going to do some stretches and keep that 'ol circulatory system of mine all healthy-like.
Semperfudge: Run and hide, Duc888, run and hide. In the meantime I'm going to do some stretches and keep that 'ol circulatory system of mine all healthy-like.
Christ I sure hope you're a friiggin real estate lawyer or Divorce lawyer.....
"But the court added that police could use deadly force if the suspect had threatened the life of a police officer.
“If the suspect threatens the officer with a weapon or there is probable cause to believe that he has committed a crime involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical harm, deadly force may be used if necessary to prevent escape, and if, where feasible, some warning has been given,” said Justice White."
http://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/deadly-force-what-does-law-say-about....
"Constitutionally, "police officers are allowed to shoot under two circumstances," says Klinger. The first circumstance is "to protect their life or the life of another innocent party" — what departments call the "defense-of-life" standard. The second circumstance is to prevent a suspect from escaping, but only if the officer has probable cause to think the suspect's committed a serious violent felony."
http://www.vox.com/2014/8/13/5994305/michael-brown-case-investigation-le...
Assault a cop = felony.
Reference to case law are in the links.
WOW. Well, kudos to you on returning. It's obvious why people like me get paid money to do this and why you don't.
First of all, you're clearly abandoning your previous assertion that the rules you are "citing" above apply to MALL COPS, which they don't. So, I'm considering you to have dropped that argument altogether, which is good, because it's flatly ludicrous.
Secondly, I wasn't even saying anything specifically about THIS CASE or the officer's liability in THIS CASE, if you haven't noticed. I am far from completely aware of all the facts, as are you, about the circumstances involved in this slaying. Having said that, you are NOT aware that the officer was "assaulted," as you suggest. That is a legal conclusion for which every element of the charged offense must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, until which the accused remains innocent in the eyes of the law. So, that's also flatly unestablished either in fact or as a matter of law.
You're obviously trying to make this about Brown now, since you lost our little debate concerning the nature of self-defense.
As your first article said:
It is not better that all felony suspects die than that they escape,” wrote Justice Byron White for the majority. “Where the suspect poses no immediate threat to the officer and no threat to others, the harm resulting from failing to apprehend him does not justify the use of deadly force to do so. …A police officer may not seize an unarmed, non-dangerous suspect by shooting him dead.”
If the suspect threatens the officer with a weapon or there is probable cause to believe that he has committed a crime involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical harm, deadly force may be used if necessary to prevent escape, and if, where feasible, some warning has been given,” said Justice White.
Right. So, if Brown threatened the officer with a weapon (which I don't think happened, but we'll see), or if the officer had "probable cause to believe that (the suspect) has committed a crime involving the infliction or threatened infliction of serious physical harm, deadly force may be used" (which seems unlikely, but also hasn't been established), his self-defense claim will be valid. I strongly doubt the officer had knowledge of an unrelated robbery just hours before the issue at hand, or Brown's connection to the robbery, but even as such it hasn't been proven.
Likewise, if Brown verbally threatened the officer while he was unarmed, it is unlikely the cop was justified in using deadly force to counteract mere verbal threats. Otherwise, any cop could just pull a gun and shoot any unarmed person when the person says "I'm going to fuck you up, officer," which would lead to absurd, shocking results in court about the authority cops have to shoot people dead.
It's far from clear whether a valid self-defense claim exists IN THIS CASE (I didn't say anything, if you'll note, about either the cop's innocence or guilt pertaning to a hypothetical murder/manslaughter charge, or Brown's guilt or innocence relating to a hypothetical assault charge).
Everything else you said though, none of which is legally accurate, is complete bogus. You finally got the applicable legal standards correct when you actually sat down and did some research, so hopefully I helped you learn some things today. But even then, the conclusion you drew (that Brown "assaulted" the officer) is hardly demonstrated in fact or proven in law. Eyewitness testimony will be evaluated and weighed by a jury in all likelihood.
Until then, your claim that "Although a (mall) cop is not OBLIGATED to shoot a fleeing felon, he is within his legal rights to do so if he believes the felon might commit grave bodily harm or death to others" stands as one of the most ridiculous pseudo-legalistic pieces of BS I've seen on this site for quite awhile. And that's not even MENTIONING the things you said about CCW earlier, which didn't make any sense then and which certainly probably seems stupid, even to you, in hindsight.
If you want to say pseudo-legal nonsense online, that's fine, but don't be unprepared to be called out on it. There are people out there who actually do know these things and may even call you out on your inaccuracies.
As a lawyer, I think you're flogging this issue.
So now give us the immigrant (post strong-armed-and-choked) store owner's legal options since the cops are letting the poor, helpless, angelic youth terrorize and loot his shit as the cops are standing by as to not interfere with their festivities and exercising their self-expression.
Please help.. What does wanting justice have to do with looting? Sorry only one word for these people.. ANIMALS
Wonder how gun sales are doing this weekend in the rest of St. Louis county?
[quote]
...There will be no pictures of you and Willie May
Pushing that shopping cart down the block on the dead run;
Or trying to slide that color TV into a stolen ambulance...
[/quote] -- Gil Scott-Heron, "The Revolution Will Not be Televised"
Oh come on...they already looted the place, what's left? A couple of packs of Pall Malls and 2 shelves of Power C Vitamin Water...seriously. It's done, give it up. Go home.