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Charting Poverty In Ferguson: Then And Now

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While there have been many socio-economic 'explanations and justifications' for the recent events in Ferguson, many of which have exceeded the realm of the factual and have brazenly encroached on feelings, emotions, heartstrings, and various other of the media's favorite manipulative mechanisms to achieve a desired outcome, the unpleasant reality is that much of what has transpired not only in the small 21,000-person St. Louis suburban community, but what is taking place across all of America has to do with a far simpler phenomenon: the rise of poverty and the destruction of America's middle class.

Here are some facts:

Ferguson has been home to dramatic economic changes in recent years. The city’s unemployment rate rose from less than 5 percent in 2000 to over 13 percent in 2010-12. For those residents who were employed, inflation-adjusted average earnings fell by one-third. The number of households using federal Housing Choice Vouchers climbed from roughly 300 in 2000 to more than 800 by the end of the decade.

Amid these changes, poverty skyrocketed. Between 2000 and 2010-2012, Ferguson’s poor population doubled. By the end of that period, roughly one in four residents lived below the federal poverty line ($23,492 for a family of four in 2012), and 44 percent fell below twice that level.

These changes affected neighborhoods throughout Ferguson. At the start of the 2000s, the five census tracts that fall within Ferguson’s border registered poverty rates ranging between 4 and 16 percent. However, by 2008-2012 almost all of Ferguson’s neighborhoods had poverty rates at or above the 20 percent threshold at which the negative effects of concentrated poverty begin to emerge. (One Ferguson tract had a poverty rate of 13.1 percent in 2008-2012, while the remaining tracts fell between 19.8 and 33.3 percent.)

Below are charts of Ferguson poverty in 2000 and 2012:

Then: Census Tract-Level Poverty Rates in St. Louis County, 2000


and Now: Census Tract-Level Poverty Rates in St. Louis County, 2008-2012

The biggest concern, however, is that Ferguson is merely the canary in the coalmine. According to Brookings, within the nation’s 100 largest metro areas, the number of suburban neighborhoods where more than 20 percent of residents live below the federal poverty line more than doubled between 2000 and 2008-2012. Almost every major metro area saw suburban poverty not only grow during the 2000s but also become more concentrated in high-poverty neighborhoods. By 2008-2012, 38 percent of poor residents in the suburbs lived in neighborhoods with poverty rates of 20 percent or higher. For poor black residents in those communities, the figure was 53 percent.

Like Ferguson, many of these changing suburban communities are home to out-of-step power structures, where the leadership class, including the police force, does not reflect the rapid demographic changes that have reshaped these places.


Suburban areas with growing poverty are also frequently characterized by many small, fragmented municipalities; Ferguson is just one of 91 jurisdictions in St. Louis County. This often translates into inadequate resources and capacity to respond to growing needs and can complicate efforts to connect residents with economic opportunities that offer a path out of poverty.


And as concentrated poverty climbs in communities like Ferguson, they find themselves especially ill-equipped to deal with impacts such as poorer education and health outcomes, and higher crime rates. In an article for Salon, Brittney Cooper writes about the outpouring of anger from the community, “Violence is the effect, not the cause of the concentrated poverty that locks that many poor people up together with no conceivable way out and no productive way to channel their rage at having an existence that is adjacent to the American dream.”

We have warned all along that the Fed's disastrous policies are splitting the nation in two, creating a tiny superclass of uber-wealthy oligrachs, and a vast majority of disgruntled, disenfranchised poor. It is the latter, whose life of squalor and poverty, has left them with little if anything to lose. Unless dramatic and rapid changes take place within the executive levels of the US corporato-banking oligrachy and its D.C. puppets, very soon "Ferguson-type" occurences, where participatnts could care less if the S&P 500 closed at a fresh all time record high,  will become a daily, and very deadly, occurence. All thanks to the Fed's dual mandate of "maximum employment and stable inflation."

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And as a tangent, we must say that we find the fact that none other than former Fed chairman Ben Bernanke is now a Distinguished Fellow in Residence with the Economic Studies Program at the Brookings Institution, the source of most of the above data, to be ironic beyond words.


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Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:09 | 5106056 SandiaMan
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How many cops compared to then and now

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:19 | 5106084 dryam
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Hmmm, how about a direct eye witness account immediately after the actual shooting on video/audio.....

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:19 | 5106095 MsCreant
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Phishing website.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:22 | 5106108 dryam
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Got the link from DrudgeReport.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:25 | 5106117 Sophist Economicus
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But, but, but, he was JUST a kid!!!! loLz

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 18:34 | 5106344 kaiserhoff
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Poverty does not correlate to crime.  Welfare correlates to crime. 

If fat, illiterate hoochie mommas who don't care who da baby daddy be, could raise decent children, there would be some evidence of that.

Phase out welfare and bring back parental responsibility, or just nuke the morbid shit.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 20:21 | 5106595 Dingleberry
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If poverty=crime, the Appalachia area would make Iraq, Chicago and Detroit look like Mayberry. The Mississippi Delta too.

That place is (literally) dirt poor.


No one can explain the utter violence in the Black community, adjusting for poverty. No other group is anywhere close. It is insane.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 23:00 | 5107049 Alz
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The crime in the inner cities is actually very easy to explain. The left's dependency programs create poverty and destroy the social fabric. What do you get after 50+ years and hundreds of billions?  Father-free zones, poverty, violence, etc.  Oh, and 70 to 90% of the people voting for their captors - liberals/Democrats.  It's been going on for these 50 years and about all we can say about the results of these liberal ideas put into action is that there is a lot of hopelessness, despair and death.  Like others have said, there are many poor areas and there isn't the violence, but the liberals purposely keep these people down. And when anyone says anything, they are attacked.  Think of Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, etc. See, it's easy to explain.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 23:52 | 5107285 Nick Jihad
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You forgot to mention high business taxes that drive away employers. These are especially popular with urban politicians.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 02:05 | 5107597 Davalicious
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I would like to see how the number of whites vs blacks in the area correlates to crime. If blacks are more criminal crime rates will rise if whites leave and/or black numbers increase.

I expect that crime rates increaseased as the area was "detroited", with tax paying white citizens running away while blacks take over and bring the area to ruin. Once they go black, they never come back.

We are turning the clock back on black evolution with welfare. As a race they are following the wrong evolutionary signals. Of course the Jew, who gained through the civil rights movement they created, is the one who wins here. In the chaos they create their hyper racism will take them to the top.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 12:44 | 5109268 Dutti
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+1! Thank you for seeking out the truth!

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 01:13 | 5107519 Buckaroo Banzai
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"I'll have these niggers voting Democrat for the next hundred years!" -- Lyndon Baines Johnson

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:01 | 5106837 logicalman
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Wealth correlates very nicely with criminality - See Banksters.

It would also appear that your IQ correlates nicely with room temperature (I'm talking Celsius here, by the way)


Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:14 | 5106845 Dingleberry
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It would also appear that your avatar correlates nicely to your dick size.

(I'm talking centimeters here, by the way).

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:32 | 5106958 logicalman
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I think you just backed up my comment regarding IQ.

Nice one!

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:37 | 5106976 Dingleberry
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Send hubby my regards....:)

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 18:41 | 5106349 kaiserhoff
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FUCK YOU Bath House, and the Hoe you rode in on.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 21:09 | 5106694 NuckingFuts
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I am very familiar with the St. Louis area and a few posts ago I mentioned this: Ferguson is one of the better communities in that area and I mentioned a lack of opportunity. I got dumped with junk by those who blame this whole thing on race.. Race is a huge part of it, but when there were middle class blacks there (which there were). And now you have more poverty and unemployment. The color of their skin ain't the only factor going on here.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:03 | 5106846 logicalman
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Race and religioin - the two most reliable divide and conquer techniques known to man.

Wake the fuck up, people.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 00:00 | 5107318 Nick Jihad
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Unfortunately, it doesn't take much to start a self-reinforcing cycle of disinvestement -> joblessness -> crime & violence -> more disinvestment.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 00:48 | 5107469 Rhetorical
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As far as inner city goes maybe. Fergusan is certainly better then jennings and riverview and bellefountaine etc. (I assume your not counting balwin clayton and the richer areas of southwestern stl) I lived in U city 1 block south of the loop up on the NW corner of the Forest Park until 2 weeks ago so my house was removed but pretty fairly close to this. But by and large fergusan is still a shit hole no offense intended. I grew up in madison/venice, nice people live in these areas for certain but theyre still shitholes.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 21:11 | 5106699 Ben Ghazi
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Mike was such a nice boy to go to the store to buy cigars for those old homeless veterans.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 18:00 | 5106248 Harbanger
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War on Poverty Bitchez!  Fuck a unicorn save a community.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 20:11 | 5106564 zerozulu
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McDonald's near my home (long Island, NY ) most of the workers are Latinos or black. Occasionally a white girl gets hired and within a few ( 2 to 3 ) days a white customer offer her better job and she leaves McDonald's.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 20:31 | 5106620 nmewn
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Someone like Robert Reich no doubt.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 18:21 | 5106300 max2205
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I bet Furgeson city budget is up 50% in 8 years. ... pension outlays and property taxes have doubled


What a gig

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:18 | 5106087 Chief KnocAHoma
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Hope and change bitches!!!

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 18:18 | 5106291 CheapBastard
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"if I had a neighborhood, it would look like that neighborhood."

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 21:17 | 5106717 Ben Ghazi
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"We impoverished some folks."

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 19:45 | 5106520 tempo
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Unions, Ferguson white pensioner retire at 20 years w $80000+ annual plus free full health care for life thanks to liberal democratic unions (just a guess) So does Jesse and Al really care about poor blacks or rich unions??

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 20:53 | 5106665 Pure Evil
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They care about them until their pockets are full of filthy lucre and then its off to the next race hustle.


I swear, the Rev. Al Sharpton looks like he's got the wasting disease. Probably picked it up from some Harlem ho.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 19:46 | 5106524 tempo
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95% of the Ferguson union members are white and live elsewhere (guessing, maybe 100%)

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 21:23 | 5106735 Ben Ghazi
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9 out of 10 niggers prefer Swisher Sweets Cigars.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:11 | 5106060 Silenus
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Too many blacks. They're creatures of the jungle.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:25 | 5106120 BlackMagician
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Too many whites that would rather blame blacks for all the ills of this country but blantantly dismiss the massive investmentst into decades of war...offshoring jobs to China...bail out of banks but not the middle payer funds going to BIG OIL even when they constanly have earth shattering investments in the education system...wall street gaining more power and profits...jail for purse snatchers but not million dollar theives...I could go on and on...but alas it is those illiterate powerless black know the ones with all that power... /rant off...

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:32 | 5106152 cossack55
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uh.....I think you meant malinvestment.

Get ahead of the game, hate the species.  Nothin' better than the easy life of a misanthrope.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 18:04 | 5106256 Harbanger
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Liberals are the most racist fuckers around.  That's why the guilt and false hope.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 18:51 | 5106392 Atomizer
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Indeed, that's why I enjoy tossing back their own rhetoric and watch them come unglued. Winks 

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 19:27 | 5106442 Harbanger
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I'm very good at turning the table against my enemies and fucking them with their own.   Not by posting shit on a blog, in real life.  But Revenge is the Lords, so I struggle with this, seeing the world crumbling around me.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:33 | 5106159 FredFlintstone
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Get rid of the whites and get this country back on track, is that what you are suggesting?

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:45 | 5106198 One And Only
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That experiment was tried in Rhodesia. 

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:55 | 5106225 ZerOhead
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And they went on to find the cure for deflation...

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 18:37 | 5106352 Harbanger
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Please explain what the experiment was.  I see it as colonialism.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 20:55 | 5106671 Pure Evil
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The experiment was to kill all the white farmers or push them off their lands and turn them over to inexperienced party hacks of the elites.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 23:32 | 5107193 Harbanger
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No. That was the result of a failed "experiment".  Does anyone know what the experiment of Rhodesia was, or if there ever was one?

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 18:21 | 5106308 Harbanger
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Who gives a shit what he says, fact remains Europeans are pretty good at fucking things up for themselves as we can see by the looming fall of western culture.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:46 | 5106208 Canucklehead
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Why do you have to rant about needing more free stuff? Others have built vibrant societies and civilizations with a fraction of the resources at your fingertips.

Get Real!

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 18:05 | 5106246 ZerOhead
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The jobs are going... going... gone. And with it unfortunately... our civility.

We can all thank our whore politicians and their masters for what lies ahead.

It ain't gonna be pretty so let's not make things worse by burning shit down.

We will all be Fergusonians soon enough...

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 00:14 | 5107372 Nick Jihad
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Employers are rational. Black politicians drive away employers, because they levy extortionate taxes, which are _popular_ with black voters. Other politicians, and voters, understand the importance of courting and retaining businesses. Naturally, employers move jobs to where they are welcome.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 20:34 | 5106423 TrustbutVerify
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So where was your computer made?  Where were your shoes made?  Where were other articles of your clothing made?  As all this off-shoring was occurring did you or any of the people you imply to represent double down on what was necessary to keep the jobs here? Do you personally make any special efforts to buy things made in the USA?  (And if so, were/are you happy that some auto workers were making around $72 per hour with benefits?  Can you multiply to get that yearly salary + benefits cost?)  

I know of one instance where the union bargained to keep a giant computer cloth cuttter used in the garment industry from being used to keep union jobs intact.  So, the massive amount of pattern cloth cutting remained hand done by union workers.  How's that for making American industry more efficient?  I suppose those workers still thought the union had made the right decision as they were laid off - forever - from their jobs.  

And if you look at real spending that is bankrupting the country look at social programs government pay and benefits, and the percentage of the population getting a government check - those that work for the government or not but are simply bought off with the monetary heroin of that government check.  You blame wars (perhaps that you supported before you didn't support it), tax payer funds going to "big oil," "no investment" in education (are you kidding?) and other clap-trap trumped up claims, but your likely "better way" examples of government in Europe are in the same or worse shape we are. And I would argue to your mind they do much less if any of these purported evils that you claim.  They're just further down the road with their personal initiative killing social welfare.  (No wars for them! ...even as massacres occur around the world, or if oil supplies are cut off around the world leading to economic implosions are a cascading of despair, hunger, death and war that you can again turn a blind eye to.  "Yea!...we are so pure!") 

Your claims aren't totally without merit but very close to being hollow and baseless.  De-dupe yourself - beginning with looking in the mirror and seeing who the problem really is.  "The Man" isn't keeping us down.  We are.  

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 00:16 | 5107388 Nick Jihad
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I try to buy as many foreign-made things as I can. The reason, is that no Japanese, Korean, German, Chinese, etc, person has ever voted themselves a share of my paycheck. My fellow Americans do this all the time, so fuck them.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:55 | 5108122 TrustbutVerify
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How short-sighted.  

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 21:55 | 5106820 LFMayor
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Black Magician.  Yeah, magical all right!  Making those taxpayers up and fucking dissappear!  Dey gone!

Now, watch me make this EBT card go dry! 

Paternity suit?  Watch me make my own damn self dissappear!

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:06 | 5106866 logicalman
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Your bigotry and intollerance are showing.

Never a pretty sight.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:10 | 5106885 LFMayor
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oh, please sir, don't call me a hater or a racist. I beg thee.

Take your hugs and understanding to the nearest section 8 shithole real soon and let me know how it rolls, mkay?

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:33 | 5106963 logicalman
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No shortage of brainless arseholes on ZH tonight, I notice.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 23:14 | 5107080 Dingleberry
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The brainless arsehole you notice is not on Zero Hedge....that's your computer screen reflecting. 

Turn down your light to get rid of the glare.

But your screen is probably permanently damaged.


Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:54 | 5106231 Talleyrand
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The lack of Neanderthal DNA in the local population could be a part of the problem.

And that local population is not made up of the same individuals that resided in the area (and participated in the census) back in 2000. "Facts" they may be, but they don't mean diddly.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:11 | 5106062 logicalman
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To quote Mr. Celente - 'when people lose everything, they LOSE IT!'

Not long now, I think.


Sun, 08/17/2014 - 18:03 | 5106255 BandGap
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Ebony and Ivory

Living in abject poverty

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 18:26 | 5106320 ZerOhead
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I'm going to borrow that one... you just have to change the last line slightly > Living together in abject poverty...

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:11 | 5106064 I am Jobe
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Ain't Amerika great. War on poverty has been accomplished. Slavery Bitchezz for all 

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:28 | 5106132 thamnosma
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Trillions upon trillions thrown down various government program ratholes and the situation is pretty much the same as it was in 1964.  Sure, segregation laws are gone, blacks have great opportunity in all sectors, but their dependence on government along with the victim culture bated by the race pimps have created a permanent negative feedback loop.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:55 | 5106233 LasVegasDave
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Trillions and trillions stolen from productive members of american civilization and given to blacks as an extortion payment


You made a bad deal, whitey

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 18:57 | 5106341 ZerOhead
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Why so bitter? Look at it this way...



It isn't you or me I can tell you that much. My deepest concern is that the Feds will place agitaters with molotovs in with the protestors and burn the entire fucking city and suburbs to the ground.

If they do that with full MSM coverage they will have successfully manufactured amongst the population... full consent for a police state on steroids.

(If that indeed is the plan please use Detroit instead OK?... )

(the unpopulated parts...)

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:01 | 5106841 LFMayor
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Sorry man, but stealing some fucking potato chips and having a "Long March" a whole 10 blocks away to take 15 bucks from the local house of chop suey isn't exactly what Marat and Robspierre were needing on Bastille day.

And then it got canceled due to rain the other night, too. 

This shit isn't going anywhere.


Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:10 | 5106883 logicalman
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Trillions stolen from Americans of EVERY colour and given to criminal bankers, politicians and MIC.



Sun, 08/17/2014 - 18:15 | 5106284 Liberty2012
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"dependence on government along with the victim culture bated by the race pimps have created a permanent negative feedback loop"

That describes the situation alright

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 19:14 | 5111436 lotsoffun
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the situation is worse.  they were better off left to their own communities and not being lied to about being 'equal'.

they were given the opportunity - and i personally think they were forced to blow it.

not that white familys have improved themselves either..... we were forced to blow it all up also.


Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:11 | 5106068 Ookspay
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"I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 21:00 | 5106677 Pure Evil
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You're doing a heck of a job Brownie!

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:34 | 5106888 logicalman
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I'm here from the government, to impose fees and penalties until you have nothing left to give.

Then we'll steal the ground from under you.


Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:20 | 5106073 The Count
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Let's face the truth...there is a segment of the black population that wants to use an excuse, any excuse, to rob and steal. Same folks that live off welfare and blame everybody else for their misfortunes. Sub 100 I.Q.

Jewish controlled media panders to this minority, thinking this will keep things calm. Not because they care about blacks, Jews do not like blacks in general, even though Larry King claims the exact opposite on TV. They keep saying the predominantly white police force in Ferguson this and that. How about just saying that many local blacks simply do not pass the police academy entrance exam!

Problem is, this group is not limited to Ferguson, they are all over the country and the government knows this. They also know, but never publicly speak about it, that all the politically correct BS has been drawn up behind the scenes to make sure the zombies are contained. Just don't piss them off. Because forget reasoning, once the crazyness spreads there is no stopping and it will get ugly.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:20 | 5106100 thamnosma
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There really is an IQ issue in this -- and I'm not being flip about it.  Who knows if it's environmental (poor diet both in the pregnant women or in the young developing children) or genetic.  However, much of the "underclass" simply aren't able to function at high levels.  In the past a huge manufacturing sector assimilated these people and even provided a ladder up to better pay and decent lifestyle.  The loss of manufacturing jobs has affected this segment more than any other.   It's very disturbing to listen to interviews with many "college" athletes.  They can barely speak English and are often difficult to even comprehend.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:24 | 5106115 The Count
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Don't even think of messing with the NFL or Sports in general. Sports and drugs are what keeps a large section of the population (white, black and everythin in between) from losing it. Just like in Roman times...Bread and Games!

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 18:57 | 5106406 lotsoffun
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nfl and nba.  the dream.  boogie down wonderland.  the jackpot.  the only way out of the ghetto, except 'rapping'.

and the rest of us have to suffer being abused by having to get this blasted at us in every media event and location.

i guess that's a bit of the ransom, right?  'we fucked them royally, and now the only way they can get out ( a couple of the rats on a totally titanic ship), is that we get to put up with the massive glorification of stupidity.'.

i wish that the places where i am in public in new york city, would turn off the boogie glorification, but i guess that's the only way we can prevent the idiots from rioting, by, having to listen to rappers in 'nice' (well, i lived in paris and a few other civilized places, as many of you have) french restaurants, too prove, that we also, REALLY love stupidity, and that we REALLY want to buy their cd's and worry about beyonce is wearing, or dating.

ok.  i guess it's a small price to pay.

hey lebron - get a GED yet?  you can,  i believe, YOU CAN!!  not that you need, it, because money is everything, and you have lots, right?


Sun, 08/17/2014 - 20:16 | 5106585 The Count
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Its much worse than that! Having been in prison is a nutty new kind of  'cool'. The worst was when an idiot actor on Conan who is on some kind of new jail drama show said how he regrets not having been in prison!!! What a freakin idiot and do you think Conan would have called him out for that? No, not in the new bizarro world we live in.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 18:12 | 5106279 BandGap
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Think about it. In a society that "saves" everyone the unintelligent breed. Think it through. Think of all those women having babies and actually making money.

I planned out how many kids I could afford to raise. How many of these kids are just products of biology?

My wife is a school psychologist. There are literally two and three generations of adults who met their partners/spouses in special education classes. The percentage of these people is growing at a vert fast rate.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 18:22 | 5106309 Pool Shark
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The reason we have poverty is:

We subsidize it...


Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:33 | 5106961 StychoKiller
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Along with sick people and corporate welfare vampires, and...

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 21:23 | 5106736 SuperRay
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There is plenty of data (ask Cognitive Dissonance) on brain development that demonstrates that poverty goes straight to the brain.  From understimulation in early life, to multiple traumas during development that have an impact on the individual's higher cognitive capacity, to parents who lack any awareness of the emotional and cognitive needs of the developing child, to the psychohistory of African-Americans, whose minds are apparently continuing to be enslaved by centuries of indoctrination that slaves should not value or seek out education, the chances of an African-American child excelling intellectually are equivalent to getting into the NBA (maybe worse).    

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 21:28 | 5106743 FredFlintstone
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Great, lets spend $10M per child and turn them all into rocket scientists. Liberal wet dream.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:15 | 5106898 logicalman
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Go back to the stoneage, Fred.

Bambam looks like a rocket scientist next to you.


Mon, 08/18/2014 - 00:38 | 5107443 Nick Jihad
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You know, there are probably a dozen or so genes that you need to change, to add 20 or 30 IQ points to the average person.

I went to school with a lot of smart people, and I noticed that, while a lot of them had smart parents and siblings, others came from families of very ordinary intelligence. This tells me that every person has the genetic endowment to be much smarter than they are - they just randomly drew a few bad genes from their parents.  The day is not far off, when we will be able to fix that. Within twenty years, I think.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:21 | 5106078 thamnosma
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Sorry, Tylers, but I grew up in St. Louis.  These maps/stats are likely misleading.  You have to also use a demographic map showing changes in racial make-up of the population.  I'm pretty sure it would show "white flight", mostly working/lower middle class residents, to be replaced by the urban poor blacks from north St. Louis.  The city's north side is heavily depopulated due to crime and general decay.  That new population will be largely unskilled, unemployed and on government assistance.

No doubt loss of jobs is occurring as well (large GM plant gone), but the demographic change likely the major underlying factor in the maps you present.


Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:26 | 5106125 Bumbu Sauce
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Ferguson used to be a nice community.  They have a little downtown area(a few blocks square) that is bustling, but they are just down the block from some of St. Louis's worst neighborhoods.  We have lost 1000's of manufacturing jobs.  Making a living labor jobs that just required a HSD or GED.  GM is hiring again, but it is on the lower tier pay scale, so they won't be making the big bucks GM workers made a decade ago, but it beats Subway and you can afford to save and have a modest life.  I hate that people's hope is misplaced, and that evil scum hustlers and politicians exploit these ignoramuses, but that is where we are.  It is multi-generational now.  Businesses will not rebuild, more productive law abiding people will flee, and the tax base will crater.  All of N. St. Louis, is an education desert, and N. St. Louis County is heading that was too.  The burdn this puts on other school districts is stretched to the limit.  The schools can't take any mor ebussed kids, and the State is tired of paying for the bussing.  It's a total clusterstook.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:29 | 5106137 thamnosma
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I had friends there in high school.  It was a solid middle class town/area.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:35 | 5106161 cossack55
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Move over to East St. second thought.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:36 | 5106169 thamnosma
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Ever cruise around East or North St. Louis on Google street view?  It's an adventure.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:45 | 5106200 Xibalba
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Who'da guessed that the Arch would resemble the chart of the surrounding area? 

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:46 | 5106207 Bumbu Sauce
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Take Natural Bridge from 270 to downtown.  There are ares that look like the NY in Escape from NY.  You can drive for blocks and not see one open business in the streetside commercial space.  And lots of people just...hanging out in the middle of the street in the middle of the day.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:57 | 5106237 Deathrips
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What about Emmerson Electric...?



Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:59 | 5106247 Z_End
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Funny you should say that. Escape from New York filming locations.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 18:21 | 5106304 thamnosma
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I never knew that, nor did I recognize any of the locations when I saw the film.  I'll have to take another look at it if it's on Netflix.

Escape from New York -- filmed on locatiion in St. Louis.  That's precious.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 20:56 | 5106674 Dingleberry
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I would have guessed Detroit......but St. Lo. sure got street cred now.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:04 | 5106852 LFMayor
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"What's wrong with Broadway?"


Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:17 | 5106080 MsCreant
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Economists, before they are given their Ph.D.s should be required to do participant observation in poor areas for a few months. Let them work some of it in a food bank or Goodwill Industries or something, and give them a few months where all they are allowed to have is section 8 housing and food stamps. Then we let them have the degree. 

I would have made the above a requirement to be at the Fed, but the Fed should be abolished, so that ain't such a good idea.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:33 | 5106154 Sophist Economicus
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This isn't a FED issue.

This is a conflict between big gubbermint and it's spawned creation

The FED doesn't have the balls to reign in the spending by terminating its support of US Debt. But, have no fear, with or without the FED, these gubbermint types will spend till the currency is worthless, their debt repudiated, and the labor of its productive citizens destroyed

Let the complicit feces of Fergy and the gov't types that have aided and abetted this situation burn till they consume each other

Hopefully the good folks of Ferguson make it out alive

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 18:55 | 5106403 Suisse
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People doing funded PHD programs pretty much live in poverty. They generally only receive a modest, monthly stipend from their University.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:17 | 5106081 MsCreant
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[What should I say in this double post mistake comment?]


Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:27 | 5106130 Ookspay
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Nice Save!

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 18:25 | 5106315 drdolittle
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You're sexy

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:18 | 5106089 ILikeBoats
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Was there a change in demographics?  How many Section 8 vouchers represent new-since-2000 transplants from another area?

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 18:25 | 5106313 thamnosma
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Yes to both.  Areas that were white working/middle class have seen major demogrpahic changes.  Whites have moved to other suburbs, usually further out.  The urban black poor have moved into those areas.  On the map, the poverty areas are pretty much correlated with those changes.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:19 | 5106096 Bumbu Sauce
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Yes I know it is a two party evil money cult, but these dolts have pledged allegiance to hustlers(democrat) for free stuff for 50+ years now.


And for what?  Loot a rim from your cousin's buisiness?

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:23 | 5106109 Ookspay
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FDR - LBJ - BHO. The trifecta of American socialism.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:28 | 5106135 LawsofPhysics
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"Socialism" by definition means that the people control/own the productive capital and assets.

So I think what you meant was "The trifecta of American fascism"

(and there is a bit more than three people in the club)

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 18:39 | 5106354 Liberty2012
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By people, you mean the leader in charge of the group, or the oligarch's paths of influence...

You don't mean people as in individual persons.

Socialism, Facism, Communism are all essentially the same thing. Elimination of the Individual's power of choice.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 00:48 | 5107468 Nick Jihad
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What you are witnessing is the triumph of american Feminism. Those baby-mamas get their money direct from their government sugardaddy - they have no use for men that work low-paid jobs.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:20 | 5106098 BullyBearish
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Diminishing liquidity and freedom + Increasing wealth disparity and militarism = WAR


Bet on this:

The WAR will be FOREIGN before it becomes DOMESTIC

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:20 | 5106099 Roanman
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Eat the Oligarchs!

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:22 | 5106102 Jack Burton
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Is it true that last night cops gunned down a protester?  I hear varying stories on the news. I also hear that people from distant places are moving to this area to join the protests. This could get out of hand. Obama should visit and calm down his people. While there he could promise cops more money to supply themselves with proper police equipment to handle crowd control From what I see on TV, the local cops could give the entire Ukrainian army a fucking run for their money! Better armed that Pro Russia rebels who a kicking Kiev's ass for drill.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:29 | 5106140 Bumbu Sauce
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The reports are conflicting.  I followed the twitter feeds late into the night and there were conflicting reports on EVERYTHING.  The rush to get news out by both citizen and "professional journolist" is pretty reckless.  

The New Black Panther Party needs to be run out of town by the locals.  Take up pitchforks and shovels and run these well funded agitators off.  The police are handling the whole thing terribly.  Between malfeasance and incompetance, I'm leaning more towards incompetence, although there is likely elements of both.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:31 | 5106148 thamnosma
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WEll, you also have a governor who is giving illegal orders and adding to the chaos.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:22 | 5106106 q99x2
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If you want to stop violence anywhere in the world get a banker to jump.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:26 | 5106121 MrSteve
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Since when has "poverty" has been an excuse for violence? Poverty in America is EBT cards, healthcare, housing subsidies and tax subsidies worth $40K a year. How many malnourished, pelegra-ridden people live suburban communities in America? The pictures of people rioting showing them taking liquor and trashing retail stores. Potato chips are the enemy?

These people are using a bad scene as an excuse to disrespect everything in civilization for their own greed-filled cheap gain. That would make them barbarians, not wronged angels of the New World or victims of an evil class warfare. They act like barbarians because they can get away with it. It is that simple and any excuse they imagine empowers their theft and destructive tendencies. Hollywood has a lot blood on its hands, as nowr all the news programs look a lot like Hollywood's "programming". Can the similarity be "correlated"? mebbe yes?

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:41 | 5106183 negative rates
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Well there was one guy who could'nt afford cigars and it nearly caused a war, the $40,000 ebt cats are plenty happy about their situation, as apparently are you.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:49 | 5106214 css1971
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Since when has "poverty" has been an excuse for violence?

Well. Pretty much right from the word go. Course the poor in America don't compare against the poor in the rest of the world.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:24 | 5106122 LawsofPhysics
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Can we see an overay of population by race?

If you can't feed yourself, don't have a baby dumbass.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:51 | 5106194 negative rates
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That's not how the Fed thinks, they think we need a bunch of young-uns to take care of the elders, the entitiled ones who have done so much for their country that they can't be wrong about anything, until of course, they are.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:26 | 5106126 Jack Burton
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Off Topic Totally, but I feel a need to post this for those who might want to know this about one of America's "Deep State" rulers. WHo may well be our next president. No hope, no change coming! Read this!

" “Hillary works for Goldman Sachs and likes war, otherwise I like Hillary,” a former Bill Clinton aide told me sardonically. First, he was referring to her cushy relationships with top Wall Street barons and her $200,000 speeches with the criminal enterprise known as Goldman Sachs, which played a part in crashing the U.S. economy in 2008 and burdening taxpayers with costly bailouts. Second, he was calling attention to her war hawkish foreign policy."

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 18:43 | 5106363 caustixoid
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That's from a good article from Ralph Nader about Hillary's willingness to do anything for power:

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 00:53 | 5107480 Nick Jihad
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Considering how I feel about the federal government, it makes sense to root for the candidate who will screw it up the most. Go Hillary!!!

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 10:51 | 5108661 dizzyfingers
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Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:26 | 5106127 suicidalpsychologist
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the movie idiocracy was well ahead of its time.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:28 | 5106136 LawsofPhysics
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Yes, and the majority of the people were clearly the wrong color.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:27 | 5106134 Learn more and ...
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fuck the comments on zh these days. too much lazy racsim

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:32 | 5106147 One And Only
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Sun, 08/17/2014 - 18:46 | 5106371 Learn more and ...
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i'm white as the driven snow, and i've had an expensive education and am taught how fucking superior i am. fuck you low life scum.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 19:06 | 5106431 Learn more and ...
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by the way you get much higher quality black employees for lower wages than white, at least in the uk. This is a perception issue. Teach people tjeý are scum then they be'ieve it, isn't that how slavery worked?

If the only thing you hang on to is your nationality or race, you are truely low life scum.

only the jews dig that concept and noam chomsky shows that even in that retard shitverse there are exeptions.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 00:55 | 5107482 Nick Jihad
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I get it - you are from the UK, and you are thinking that african-americans are just like the black people you've met in the UK. If only.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:32 | 5106153 thamnosma
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you seem fairly lazy as well

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:38 | 5106145 Blazed
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Weird, Asians, Europeans and others can come here poor as dirt, and inside a generation they are doing fine. Yet certain groups, no matter where they are on the globe, are perpetually "poor" and socially-criminally problematic, even if they reside in one of the wealthiest nations on earth, a nation that coddles them with Affirmative Action, free education, special rights and privilges, funding, aid, housing, etc. 

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 18:07 | 5106262 bbq on whitehou...
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They dont do it alone, they have for the most part large strong famly units. That was lost in America, "nuclear famlies" without the extended family, turned into single famlies, then on to single lives often living far from other family members. Extended famliy in America its who invites who for Thanksgiving. In europe and asia extended family has a whole other meaning, yes that does help, given the businesses these groups often start.

So do you see why poverty in America is, perpetual?
Its a rough climb pulling yourself up doing alone what others do with lots of support.
The how of that support would be a great conversation, if poverty was to be understood.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 18:10 | 5106271 Fuku Ben
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That's because when given an opportunity we take full advantage of a saying that's been around here in Asia for thousands of years. Maybe you've heard of it before.

Monkey See Monkey Do

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:31 | 5106150 loregnum
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Pfffft, it's just racism! If it wasn't for every single white person being racist then the poverty level in that mainly black area wouldn't have skyrocketed. 

I can't believe that the poverty level would be increasing seeing as Obombya says the economy has recovered, things are great and the stock markets are much higher. No way Obombya and the market are wrong!

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:48 | 5106157 Bumbu Sauce
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Small nitpick

Poverty is a state of mind.

Poor is lack of capital/assets.


I've been poor my whole life, but have never been in "poverty."

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:49 | 5106219 thamnosma
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There's something called self-respect.  You know, when for one reason or another you're broke but sitll keep your yard clean, your house painted, etc.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:36 | 5106166 Atomizer
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Let's match poverty to an intelligence score.



Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:43 | 5106179 One And Only
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Tesla was one of the smartest people to have ever lived and invented pretty much everything. 

He died broke and in a hotel room paid for by the charity of Westinghouse.

All the dumb fucks get rich - the beliebers, the kardashians, the Obama's, the lady gaga's. 

Your theory is shit.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:47 | 5106212 Atomizer
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I think you meant JP Morgan. Why quibble over small details. 

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 21:47 | 5106801 NickVegas
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"In 1888 Tesla obtained U.S. patents covering an entire system of polyphase AC that remains unchanged in principle today. Tesla then promptly sold all of his patents to George Westinghouse, an acquisition that made the Westinghouse Company the giant it is today.

Westinghouse and Tesla were consummate friends, but after Westinghouse died in 1913, the company forgot about its chief benefactor and Tesla fell victim to hard times. Tesla died January 7, 1943, alone, and all but forgotten, in a New York hotel room, paid for by a meager stipend provided by the Yugoslavian government."

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 18:55 | 5106405 thamnosma
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Citing on anecdote means nothing.  Your comeback was shit.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 20:39 | 5106633 Atomizer
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I'm going to call bathhouse Barry and tell him your a cyber bully and hurt my feelings 

Fuck off cunt!

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:03 | 5106849 thamnosma
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Hey, I was responding to the other guy not  you.....but hey, I'll fuck off anyway

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 11:03 | 5108714 dizzyfingers
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"Tesla was one of the smartest people..." vs "...All the dumb fucks get rich - the beliebers, the kardashians, the Obama's, the lady gaga's"

That's youe comparison? Seriously?

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:41 | 5106180 falak pema
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On the rise of knee jerk populism in the wake of police militarisation. 

Vee need a Heine Hynkel to run Fergusen.

Vere are Herr Garbisch and Herr Herring to galvanise the sons and daughters of the Double Cross. 

Vee need to resuscitate the Regime of the Double Cross in Tomainia.

Vee need to resuscitate the Aryen maidschen dream! 

Heil Tomainia. Its time to rid the streets of of all colours except one. 

Tomato n Potato...Its all free for the goose stepping.

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