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One Shot, In Critical Condition, 7 Arrested After Protesters Break Ferguson Curfew

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As we reported last night, when the Ferguson curfew hitting at midnight, while most of the protesters dispersed, many still remained on the streets despite a clear warning by the police department that anyone still rioting/looting/protesting would be arrested. Which is when things went from bad to worse for yet another night. In roughly chronological order:

And then this happened:

According to Reuters, Missouri State Highway Patrol Captain Ron Johnson said the person shot at a restaurant was in critical condition. Police were unable to identify the victim, who he said was not shot by police, and that the alleged shooter was still at large. Well, what else would he say: that the cops shot yet another Fergusonite?

As we warned yesterday, all that is needed for the racial divide in this country to reach levels (of violence) not seen in generations, is for one or more people to die, whether in Ferguson or elsewhere, while protesting along racial lines. We can only hope that the person in critical condition makes a recovery or else this may well be just the beginning of what we have warned for years will happen when a record wealth/class/religious/ethnic divide, largely aided and abetted by the administration, finally spills out on the streets and the people demand a reversion to the mean: something which for those who follow history happens with clockwork regularity when the divide between the haves and the have nots reaches record levels.

So to summarize last night's events, here is KTVI with a first person account of the latest nightly rioting in Ferguson:

More tear gas and gun-fire in the streets during another violent night in Ferguson and leaving many to wonder when will it end.

 

One person shot, a police car hit by gun-fire, and seven arrests as police enforced the governor’s new curfew.   Police fired smoke bombs and tear gas at protesters who didn’t want to leave after the midnight curfew rolled around.  Police got reports of people on the roof at Red’s Barbecue.  Then they saw a man in the street with a gun and they found a man shot in the neck, critically hurt.  That is when the SWAT Team came in.

 

Police tried to move back the crowd with smoke bombs and tear gas to try to get to the shooting victim.  By the time police got to the scene near Red’s the victim was already gone.  He was taken to the hospital in a private car.

 

Authorities arrested seven people for failing to disperse the area around.  At around 1am it appeared that police had removed all of the protesters.

 

Captain Ron Johnson talks about dealing with the protesters at curfew time. “There was a shooting victim near QuikTrip and Red’s Barbeque.  As we approached Red’s Barbecue we deployed tear gas.  The first can of gas that was deployed was there.  In an effort to get back and get to the shooting victim.  Also, a police car at that location was shot at.”

 

We don’t have any details on whether that police car was hit.  But, we don’t believe that anyone was injured.

 

We did get video overnight of police processing the car used to take the shooting victim to the hospital.  County police tell FOX 2 that the shooting victim is in critical condition.  The circumstances surrounding the shooting are still unclear.

It is rumored, although unlikely, that a city devolving into a state of emergency and actual curfew, will be enough for the president to take a break from his golf game and make a teleprompted statement later today.

 

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Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:00 | 5104863 Rakshas
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I call shotgun......

....... damn wrong hat

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:04 | 5104876 peter4805
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That, or a high powered shitgum.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:07 | 5104884 kliguy38
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you aint in the club......bitchezz

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:23 | 5104929 fonzannoon
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These Ferguson cops need to ask for a transfer.

http://nypost.com/2014/08/16/hamptons-village-police-chief-retires-with-...

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:39 | 5104979 LetThemEatRand
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How can anyone complain when he's doing this kind of amazing CSI work?  From the article:   "One shocking incident involved reported vandalism: an oceanfront resident claimed someone spray-painted her back porch white.  But the Westhampton Beach force soon cracked the case.  'Officers said the deck was not covered in paint but rather bird droppings,' the Press reported."

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:43 | 5104988 fonzannoon
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Yeah man....you imagine if that guy actually encountered even a petty crime taking place knowing the payoff that awaited him? I'd hate to be on the other end of that encounter.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:56 | 5105032 El Vaquero
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They make a big deal about the curfew, then they arrest *seven* people when there were a fuckton more than *seven* people out there.  That telegraphs that they aren't going to enforce shit, except for some tear gas.  Why?  There are enough people out there that they cannot realistically enforce it.  Also, is there a law that allows the governor to announce a state of emergency and enact a curfew?  If not, then the curfew itself is unlawful, and even if there is, I would argue it is unconstitutional. 

 

Jesus Christ!  This is so fucking simple for the police:  Arrest the people looting, and if you see who's throwing shit, arrest them.  Leave everybody else alone.  Otherwise, they're going to whip the crowd up into a real frenzy and get real violence. 

 

When you make a big deal over shit, then fail to follow through, people are going to see real quickly that you're full of shit.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:34 | 5105125 Latina Lover
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Looks like it's going to be a very hot August in the USSA....

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:49 | 5105177 El Vaquero
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I'll believe it when I see it.  I expect somebody to cave in, quite possibly the state.  Most of the time, that is what happens.  It is the one time where somebody doesn't cave in that scares me, and is why, even though most of the time somebody caves, this is a very dangerous game.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 14:01 | 5105500 markpower49
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Please oh please let this be the beginning of a civil/race war. Any decent white man has a lot of grudges to placate.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 16:46 | 5105999 Beatscape
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I completely agree. If the authorities are going to declare a curfew, then enforce it!  Otherwise, they are simply emboldening the protesters and looters and making the situation even worse and make a mockery of the so-called law. 

The looters are opportunist scum bags who are only hurting their case for their fallen comrade, Micheal Brown. 

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:31 | 5105074 Gringo Viejo
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That which cannot be spoken. Africans are 5,000 years behind the evolutionary curve. When the Greeks were building the Acropolis, Africans were living in grass huts with dirt floors. When the American transcontinental railroad was completed 4,000 years later, Africans were still living in grass huts and hunting with spears. They are a primitive and violent race. This isn't a "put down" of them. They are WHAT they are. But make no mistake, a race unwilling to meet violence with violence, is  a soon to be extinct race. The politically mandated subservience to Africans is just one piece of the globalist attempt to destroy Western Culture and Values.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:33 | 5105129 Latina Lover
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There is nothing more frightening than to watch ignorance in action.

Goethe.

 

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:43 | 5105150 Gringo Viejo
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Actually, there is. Children with underdeveloped minds. Like it or not, in the coming conflict your skin color will be your uniform. And those of you misaligned will be destroyed by your own naivette.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 13:47 | 5105431 SemperFudge
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Thank you, Charles Manson. Guess I'll have to fight my wife in the next war seeing that our skin colors will be our "uniforms."

Does ZH skew older or is it just full of curiously younger xenophobes?

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 13:52 | 5105450 Gringo Viejo
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As expected, no reasoned response.
Simply an emotional outburst.
As I said......children.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 14:16 | 5105545 SemperFudge
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Ok whatever you say Gringo. 

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 16:27 | 5105946 Harbanger
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"seeing that our skin colors will be our "uniforms.""

Not in my camp.  What matters is what's in your head.  Judging by skin color means you get a lot of statists and commies as most of those are white, even extra white.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 20:15 | 5106583 StychoKiller
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Speaking of Manson, he's probably laughing his butt off right about now!

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:41 | 5105159 mt paul
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watching those living in denial

might top that list

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:43 | 5105165 Harbanger
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The problem with that theory is during the same time period the Nordics were also basically living in the stone age.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 14:49 | 5105653 25or6to4
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Harbanger
Maybe so but they play catch up pretty quickly. By around 800ad they where conquering most of Europe and exploring N America. And so clever and adventurous were Africans than SE Asians beat them to Madagascar by 1400 years. Want to compare inventions and contributions to science by Nordic types vs. Africans?

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 19:38 | 5105907 Harbanger
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Did I hit a nerve?  I'm not comparing Nordics to Africans, it's just that both are on opposite ends of the spectrum.  Neither one is particularly more intelligent than the other, I'm only pointing out historical facts, both were equally unevolved.  What were considered barbarians back then (nordics) only took over the void created after the fall of the Roman empire.  I don't know how that is considered conquering any more than how the west is now being conquered by the 3rd world as it falls.  Unfortunately, most can't handle the truth.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 20:56 | 5106669 25or6to4
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"Neither one is particular more intelligent than the other". Answer my last question first before attempting to bury yourself deeper. IQ of nordics 100+. IQ of sub Sahara African 65. Move on you lost this one.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:06 | 5106863 Harbanger
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Don't argue with me.  OK. so you're slightly smarter than africans.  Nordic chicks are friendly, that's why you're the manager, not the boss and not the peon.  You should be grateful.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:27 | 5106946 25or6to4
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Have a drink on me. Skål !

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 13:44 | 5105212 edotabin
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That has got to be one of the stupidest, most ignorant comments I have ever read. It also provides a scapegoat for what is going on and allows it to continue. There are black people that are much more accomplished than you and I combined.  If, as a race, black people were so far "behind the evolutionary curve" this would not be a possibility. It is a matter of history, environment (upbringing) and a government that helps perpetuate this sad situation with handouts.

As for the Greeks, yes they were definitely ahead of their time and their accomplishments were nothing short of magnificent. They ran into that rough patch in 1453 called the Turkish occupation that lasted until 1821 (into the 1900s in some parts) Then there was WWI, WWII, the civil war right after WWII. It is extremely hard to move forward under such circumstances.

On the other hand, how long can one dwell on the past? The victim mentality is only valid for so long before it starts becoming "the path of least resistance".  I say it is time to power forward from within. It is the only lasting solution.

 

 

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:45 | 5106203 logicalman
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You obviously believe that history is a true record.

History is written by TPTB at the time it's written.

If you don't read history with that in mind, you are wasting valuable time.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:54 | 5106227 cockroachfuture
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Epic troll, but Ill respond anyway.

The reason Eurasia ejoyed such technological advancement while areas such as north/south america and africa stayed virtually in the stone age is geographical and biological (in terms of the flora/fauna available), not racial, you fucking boob. Kinda hard to tell the villiage next door about your awesome invention/discovery when its a billion degrees outside and walking just a few miles might mean death. Or if you have virtually no fucking iron and mountains/jungle bisect your continent etc it might also put a damper on the whole "inventing the arch/metallurgy etc" thing.Might be kinda nice to have wide open fields, grain to plant on them, a large variety of beast of burden at your disposal. But nah, im sure the whole being white thing is enough on its own.

Jesus fucking christ have you done any research? You or the morons who upvoted you?

All you fucktards please google guns germs and steel, at least. Has its share of fault but just the wikipedia entry on it alone should be enough to debunk this nonsense.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 17:56 | 5106235 FredFlintstone
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Google The Bell Curve. Read em both.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:05 | 5106864 downwiththebanks
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Um, dude, the Greeks took just about everything called "civilization' from Africa.

Too many white people ignore that fact because they revel in being unhistorical, stupid, and racist.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:19 | 5104885 hedgeless_horseman
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Jesus said,

 

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’39 But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.40 And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic,[a] let him have your cloak as well.41 And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.42 Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.

 


43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?47 And if you greet only your brothers,[b] what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

 


https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5%3A38-48&version=E...

 

It's hard to be a Christian.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:35 | 5104967 SofaPapa
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That was awesome!  We should always judge people on their individual merits, and this guy has gone far because he has refused to behave the way his "community" says he should.  More men like this, please!  White, Black, no difference.  We need more men like this.  Thanks for posting this!

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:51 | 5105014 Bossman1967
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and the sad thing is they will call him Uncle Tom wtf

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:26 | 5105105 Harbanger
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That was an Excellent rant.  Cracked me up when he said the blind leading the blind, we both gonna fall in the ditch.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:54 | 5105201 asteroids
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"... and the meek shall inherit the earth.." Roughly an 8'x4' funeral plot.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 13:06 | 5105247 eclectic syncretist
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He is quoting Jesus there. Bone up on your Bible knowledge.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 23:12 | 5107099 willwork4food
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Excellent video. Keeps my faith in humanity.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:52 | 5105022 0b1knob
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 "and he that hath none, let him sell his cloak, and buy a sword"

 "I have come to cast fire upon the Earth; and how I wish it were already kindled! "

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on Earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

Qoutes from some guy.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:08 | 5105067 Dingleberry
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"If you do not work, you don't eat"

--God


2 Thessalonians 3

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:41 | 5105147 Headbanger
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He boiled for your sins..

 

Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster

http://www.venganza.org/

Holy Macaroni !!  (Headbanger 1:1:1.00.203.45)

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 23:14 | 5107107 willwork4food
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You may call him whatever you want. It still points to the same thing.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 13:55 | 5105474 edotabin
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great video! cool guy!

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:20 | 5104915 MeMadMax
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Idiots fighting for the wrong reasons...

 

 

Yea, I'm gonna risk life and limb for a thug....

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:21 | 5104922 greatbeard
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>> risk life and limb for a thug....

How about a freeloading rancher?

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:26 | 5104940 Clueless Economist
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When is that Racist Paki shopkeeper going to be arrested?  He comes around the counter ethnically indimidating Mr Brown and then attacks him with his throat.  He then has the nerve to protest to the Gentle Giant about taking the carton of cigars without paying.

At least the peaceful protesters looted and burned his store.  Serves the Racist right.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:47 | 5105003 HardAssets
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Yes, we know all blacks are on welfare, all blacks are violent looters, and all protestors (of any color) are nothing but trouble makers. We can believe everything we see or read in the media; they never shape the news coverage.

(And what happened to the pic of that black guy without a shirt menacingly holding a 'rifle'. That photo was all over the internet. - No one mentioned that he was sitting on a bicycle (likely in Walmart) and holding a DAISY RED RYDER BB GUN. Ooooooooh ! He might 'shoot your eye out' - like in that program they show every Christmas. BB gun thugs may go wild throughout the country.

Weren't we supposed to be afraid of the Russians, or was it Ebola ? This stuff is hard to keep up with.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:57 | 5105035 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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It's very refreshing to see a voice of reason around here.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 13:33 | 5105375 CheapBastard
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The CEO of McDonalds is black and so is the former CEO of Freddie/Fannie. There's plenty of opportunities out there for all Merikans.

 

 

 

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 14:00 | 5105479 SemperFudge
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It's funny seeing you've actually been downvoted.

A week ago, I was downvoted for saying Ebola wasn't going to enter the US and do any harm. Of course, everyone was out buying whatever expensive doom-based hyped products they thought were going to save them.

Now it's on to Ferguson. I'm very bullish on doom peddling these days! An even better way to boost mindless fear-based consumption than your standard advertising!

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 14:35 | 5105618 HughK
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No doubt..Semper!  The fear over Ebola is way out of hand.  It seems that among at least some people, it's a symbol of Africa, black people, and even Obama.  I don't get it, but sometimes simple narratives are the most appealing.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:30 | 5104951 HardAssets
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How bout for a bunch of ruffians dumping tea in Boston Harbor ?

(Yeah, that's what the East India Co. and Brit government called them. Disinfo campaigns weren't invented yesterday, ya know.)

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:38 | 5104973 fonzannoon
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I think the new textbooks are back to calling them ruffians again. It's like those old pink bathrooms. They were out for so long but if you have one they are back in again.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 14:32 | 5105590 HughK
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Great point, HardAssets!  Here is the Boston Tea Party sampled with some of the racist comments against the protests (including looting):

Samuel Adams and the other Sons of Liberty that destroyed public property were animals, and someone should have shipped them back to the continent that they came from after their violent display.

The mistreatment of their kinfolk in episodes a few years earlier such as the Boston Massacre and the illegal forms of taxation in no way justified their violent response, but they were uneducated savages who didn't know any better.

Ditto for when they covered the tax collectors in burning tar and feathered them, or when they killed British soldiers simply following orders in the dangerous and hostile neighborhoods of Boston.

This was the response of some of our founding fathers some 240 years ago because the British wanted to collect enough taxes to pay off the (big government) war debts of the French and Indian War, which gave the colonists access to cheap new land west of the Appalachians, previously inhabited by native americans.

This is also the act that the Tea Party named itself after.  In other words, the Tea Partiers are angry that the Americans were expected to pay the costs of empire, which had given them a bunch of free land, stolen from other people by their nanny-state government soldiers.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 20:23 | 5106599 StychoKiller
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Feel free to return your misbegotten property to any native American of yer choice.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:09 | 5105066 Kprime
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apparently you know nothing about ranching.  Ranching and freeloading are like oil and water, they never mix.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 14:19 | 5105560 HughK
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Ranching and freeloading never mix except when you're grazing your cattle on government-owned land, and getting WAY more cash than one gets from an EBT card in the process!

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 20:24 | 5106603 StychoKiller
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Hmm, and just WHO is the Govt?

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:06 | 5105061 El Vaquero
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Idiots fighting for the wrong reasons...

Yea, I'm gonna risk life and limb for a thug....

How about the idea that even if he was a thug, he should have been given due process?  Do we want to live in a society where the lowliest among us are not afforded legal protections from the state? 

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:11 | 5105073 fonzannoon
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How do we know what happened exactly with the cop? I am the last one to defend the police state, and it is amazingly lucky for the police that this dude just happened to be involved in a strong arm robbery a few minutes before. But now that video depicts a person much different than originally depicted by the media and it certainly leaves open the possibility that this dude actually did something that played a big part in leading to his own demise. 

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:20 | 5105092 El Vaquero
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We don't know what happened with the cop, aside from eyewitness accounts which are every bit as trustworthy as the accounts from the cop.  That is to say, not very.  If I had shot the kid under the actual, not reported, conditions that the cop shot the kid, would I be facing a murder charge?  That is the standard that I would hold the cops to.  That is fundamentally the standard that they should be held to under our system.  They are civilians and not subject to the UCMJ, no matter what they think, and I am entitled to equal protection under the law.  I'm not getting equal protection though.  They get a free ride when I would get fried.  If we are going to have a government, due process is something that must be had, so that we can objectively see who is full of shit.  With how our legal is *supposed* to work system and based on the video, Mike Brown should have been arrested and tried for whatever robbery offense is appropriate in MO.  People without a dog in the fight should have tried to determine whether he was guilty. 

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:26 | 5105107 fonzannoon
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I thought we did not know the actual conditions? We can't take either side's word for it. That's the bottom line, no? This kid was no angel and the cops have been abusing their power and something happened and here we are.

 

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:33 | 5105131 El Vaquero
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I've seen too much BS from police to not question whether the cop escalated the situation.  Whether Brown was a thug or not, the cop should get no free ride.  Brown was unarmed.  That makes the burden of proof a lot higher for self defense.  Self defense, in the legal system that the cop is supposedly part of, is an affirmative defense.  That means that the cop should have to convince the jury that yes, he killed Brown, but he was also in a situation where a reasonable person would have feared for his life.  Not a reasonable cop, but a reasonable person.  That is the best case scenario that I would be held to if I were to shoot an unarmed person, and given how our system works in practice, which is not how it is supposed to work, there is a damned good chance that I would get all sorts of bullshit thrown at me to try to force a plea. 

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:40 | 5105154 fonzannoon
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It's fair to question whether the cop escalated the situation or not. The reality of the situation is this guy is dead and the cop will say yadda yadda yadda happened and he feared for his life and oh btw take a look at what happened 20 mins earlier and ask if that store owner feared for his life and if this thug looked concerned with being a reasonable person or respecting the law and that will be that.

 

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:45 | 5105167 El Vaquero
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Yet, the cop supposedly did not know that Brown was a robbery suspect when he shot him, so that video is something that should not be admitted into evidence.  It is irrelevant.  That doesn't mean that it won't be if the cop is tried, but it shouldn't be.  The standard that I would be held to is whether I  thought that the threat was imminent, not whether the guy was a thug.  Is it too much to ask that cops be held to that same standard?

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:52 | 5105194 fonzannoon
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Just because the cop did not know Brown had just committed a robbery does not mean that Brown did not just literally commit a crime and is a thug. If in the cops explanaton he paints this guy as a thug who did not listen to him or did something that made the cop act in self defense that video 20 mins earlier certainly does a decent job of validating the cops explanation. I understand where you are coming from but in the absence of actual footage of what happened you seem to disregard the possibility that the cop did have to act in self defense. 

What blows my mind is the coincidence of it all. If this kid managed to not commit a serious crime 20 mins prior to this encounter it would be a completely different story with a lot less leniency towards the cop(s).

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 13:02 | 5105235 El Vaquero
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No, I'm not disregarding that the cop did have to act in self defense.  I'm saying that Brown was unarmed, and chances are, I would get put through the ringer if I were to shoot somebody who was unarmed, even if the threat was real and imminent.  There is a good reason for questioning whether the cop would be reasonable to assume that there was an imminent threat because Brown was unarmed.  In order to be consistent with how our legal system is supposed to work, self defense is not supposed to be more valid because of some act that happened prior where the cop was not involved.  The danger to the cops person needs to be NOW.  Not some ambigious "he looks like a thug" or "he is a thug" possible threat, but it needs to be an in your face you're going to die if you don't do something kind of threat.  Cops are not held to that standard.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 13:10 | 5105263 fonzannoon
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I hear you man. I am certainly not arguing that cops are held to that standard.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 13:54 | 5105465 SofaPapa
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It is exchanges like the one you guys have here that keep me coming back to this site.  This is a great community.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 14:18 | 5105552 HughK
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I agree, SofaPapa!

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 13:23 | 5105332 LithiumWarsWAKEUP
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" questioning whether the cop would be reasonable to assume that there was an imminent threat".

 

   I am no cop, but if I was, and IF this 'info' is correct, that the "perps pushed the cop into his car,,,being BIG,,,300 lbs looking like a LINEBACKER for an NFL team and that he had just 'tried to take the Officers gun', then I can safely say that I would "FEEL/FELT and imminent threat to my life", in the "performance of my Duty".

    Tough being a cop, I'd guess. It really comes down to a value judgement. I'd say the Law is on the Cops side.

   On second thought, I'll be more than willing to 'bang' a gangbanger who did/does the same to me. You can go buy him a Frosty if ya want.

   I am such a badass.

 

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 14:06 | 5105512 El Vaquero
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I've been in the position where I thought I might have to shoot somebody.  I was able to consider not only the immediate threat to me and how great it really was, but also the future legal consequences of my actions in real time.  I expect cops to do the same.  But they don't.  We, as a society are too scared of the thug on the street and the terrorist boogieman under some unidentified rock and not scared enough of our own government, of which cops are part. 

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 20:46 | 5106647 StychoKiller
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The fact that yer fellow police officers are gonna vouch for whatever story you eventually come up with (Truth or not), certainly does NOT help make valid decisions.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 13:46 | 5105428 taoJones
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There MIGHT have been justification for a single wounding shot, but 8-10?!

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 20:16 | 5106587 Dangertime
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New evidence suggest that Michael Brown was coming at the cop when the he fired shots.  And that even after firing shots he kept coming.

 

That would be a fair reason for 8-10 shots fired.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 23:42 | 5107242 blunderdog
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That's gotta be bullshit.  I saw his carcass in the street.  His brains were blown right out the side of his head on the pavement.

That happened when he was on, or very near, the ground.

If I'm feeling really gracious, I could maybe believe the cop had to defend himself and then decided to pepper the body afterwards for fun, I guess.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 01:11 | 5107516 ThroxxOfVron
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Trayvon Martin was unarmed and George Zimmerman stood trial for murder.

It should be no different with a police officer at a minimum -or if the case is to be held to a different standard the standard should be a higher standard with a higher burden of self defence as the police officer is supposed to be a trained professional.

Come on: IF the officer felt endangered he could have rolled up the window of the cruiser and rolled up the street a distance while assessing the situation and thinking.

IF the standards of conduct are not commensurate then the standard for the professional issued a weapon to perform a public duty should be held to a higher standard.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 13:17 | 5105274 Loose Caboose
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Exactly.  Considering we do not know whether or not he went for the cop's gun, if he was a white 18-year-old male, would we still consider him a "thug" and that he deserved to be executed in the street for petty theft?  The reports I've read are that the cop did not know about the theft before encountering the young man so he was shot - multiple times - for what?    This is the kind of incident that makes the black community lose their collective mind.  Justice is not color-blind.  Anyone who can't see this is living in an alternate universe.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 13:38 | 5105401 xavi1951
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Loose Caboose -

Let's suppose the cop did not know about the robbery.  Mikey Brown did know that he had just robbed a store.  Did Brown know that the officer did not know?  Did Brown think the officer suspected him?  Could that have played a role in how Brown and his friend reacted to the officer?  I can guarantee that Brown would react to any contact, like any crimal would react.  He would resist in any way he could to effect an escape, including trying to take the officers gun.  It happens more often than you know.  As for living in an alternative universe, you are ignoring the universe that the officers have to live in, just to justify your belief that cops are bad.  Did Brown deserve to be "executed" as you call it?  It was NOT petty theft!  It was a robbery, a felony!  Why don't you shut up and wait until Eric Holder investigates it.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 14:15 | 5105543 HughK
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No matter if Brown's theft of the cigars was a strongarm robbery (and I agree that it was) and therefore a felony, what can be the reason for over 5 bullets sunk into an unarmed guy?  Five, possibly six or seven or eight bullets were sunk into Mike Brown.  How can that be OK?

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 20:53 | 5106664 StychoKiller
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If I have to shoot an intruder, I'm gonna empty the clip full of hollow points into them.  There ain't gonna be some maimed burglar dragging me through the court system.  If they can still get my Taurus away from me after that, they're gonna have to beat me with it.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 13:12 | 5105277 LithiumWarsWAKEUP
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Cowboy, did you not see (what someone else here on ZH posted) this?: "Furthermore, the officer was treated for injuries to his face and head, consistent with an assault, and also consistent with eyewitness reports appearing in early local news reports saying the two pushed the officer into his car and Brown continuing the assault inside."

 

    And that the perp 'went for the Officer's gun',,,he tried to disarm the cop. IF nothing else in this Civilization,,ya gotta be smart enough to NOT try and take away a cops gun. What was Brown's purpose in 'following the cop into the car'? Why did Brown try and get the gun?

    You not see that, El Cowpuncher? 

     Now we'll get a Court to decide if it is 'excessive' or not. And is rioting and burning assets that don't belong to you 'excessive and uncivilized'? I think so.

-down vote. Pay attention.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 14:02 | 5105503 11b40
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So, where is the police report? Why has it been withheld son long?  Kinda like MH17 flight recorder.  If it indicates guilt against the establishment, they just try to bury it.

How many times was this guy shot?  Where was he shot?  Shot in the back?  Shot in the head while on the ground from someone towering above?  Why don't we know these details?  This ain't rocket science.  It is ballistics science, and it's pretty damned good and can tell the story well.  Let's see it.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 14:12 | 5105537 HughK
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So far 67% of ZH commenter arrows are up and 33% is down.  So...33% of ZeroHedgers don't think due process is necessary.  How very un-libertarian.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:21 | 5104917 luckystars
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Whet he is saying is "get off the karmic wheel" and yes it is hard, real hard.

But doing it all over again at some point is not an option, and you do get off.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:08 | 5105065 Wahooo
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At some point we get off the wheel or throw in with TPTB. You're either off the wheel or full Hillary/Obama/GWB/Bibi/Putin/Buffet. Who the fuck wants that for eternity?

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:23 | 5104925 BliptoP3
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I even have to pray for tax collectors!!  c'mon Jesus - that's just asking too much.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:25 | 5104937 fonzannoon
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yeah, woof.... good luck with that. 

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:32 | 5104942 hedgeless_horseman
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If it was easy...then everyone would get in.

Jesus said,

13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

 

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7:13-14

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:35 | 5104970 fonzannoon
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I am in over my head discussing religion, but here is one thing I never understood. My family is catholic. I sort of bailed from it at a young age. But I was baptized. My daughter has not been baptized.  A few years ago my sister really got on me about that. When I asked why, she said that if my daughter was not baptized she would never get into heaven. I told her that I almost felt it was a slap in the face (no above pun intended) to that religion to have my daughter baptized and then not follow the other teachings of the religion. It was like buying a call option on the Vix to me.

Anyway I asked her, if my daughter led a good life, and then someone ended her life, and that murderer was baptized, he would get into heaven and my daughter would be in some other room. She said that was accurate but she did not seem so sure about it. It also threw her off a bit thinking that was the logic behind this. I still don't know the answer to that.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:43 | 5104985 hedgeless_horseman
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...she said that if my daughter was not baptized she would never get into heaven.

Did you ask here where to find that belief in scripture

I cannot find where Jesus said anything along those lines.  Baptism was a cleansing ritual, not a requirement.

Read Matthew 5, 6 and 7 if you want to get a good idea what Christ is about.  It should take about 15 minutes.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:43 | 5104997 fonzannoon
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Thanks for the tip I will pas that her way as well.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:45 | 5104991 SofaPapa
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I've thought a lot about this, and what you describe is exactly the reason to me that organized religion is a sham.  If Heaven is a place full of people who look down on other people because they don't have some "secret entry key" these schmucks think they should have, then why would I want to be there in the first place?  Sounds like a pretty shitty place to be.  I'd rather go to the place where people accept me for who I am and where I accept them for who they are.  Some believe one thing, others another, but we all agree to live and let live.  Where is that Heaven?  That's where I want to go.  Don't see that in organized religions, though I do see it among many people who practice their religion with a healthy grain of salt.  Literal and strict interpretations of any code will exclude the most creatinve and interesting people in any community.  Stay away from me!  Doesn't sound like my kind of paradise.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:54 | 5104999 hedgeless_horseman
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If Heaven is a place full of people who look down on other people because they don't have some "secret entry key"

That isn't is any Jewish, Christian, or Muslim theology that I am aware of.  There are no secrets.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:56 | 5105027 SofaPapa
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I will grant you the trouble isn't in the words themselves.  The trouble is that a set "code" sounds immutable, but those who preach it always bend it to their interpretation.  I was raised in the Christian tradition, though never deeply.  As such, I have been to churches where I was totally able to agree with what the minister said; I've been to other churches where what the minister said frankly scared me to death.  Which one of those ministers is going to heaven?  They are not saying the same thing.  Which is right?  Who's to judge that?  Each of them is convinced he's going to heaven based on his interpretation of the text.  From which I conclude, what's the point?  I actually am capable of interpreting the scriptures in such a way that I can agree with them (I have read the Bible in its entirety, to help with my understanding).  But my interpretation would be viewed as heresy by many men of "authority" within their interpretations.  Am I right?  Are they?  Too subjective for my tastes, thanks.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 21:05 | 5106685 StychoKiller
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Quite simple really, some dogma is established to encourage moral/right behavior while you're alive.  The carrot:  "do the right thing and you'll go to heaven;" the stick:  "do the wrong things and you ain't gettin' in!"

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:52 | 5105021 GeorgeHayduke
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I came to that conclusion many years ago myself. In reality Gawd and Heaven do not exist, however, if going to Heaven meant I had to spend eternity with the likes of all the self-righteous, asshole Christians (redundant I know) I have encountered in my life, Hell seems quite mild in comparison. If this lot of losers truly are Gawd's people chosen for eternity, nobody in their right mind would want to share a lunch with them let alone eternity.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:55 | 5105026 fonzannoon
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It looks like we are each going to need our own room. I am not even sure we can have a common area with a TV.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:08 | 5105064 gafgroocK
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What is weird is that there appears to be no 'downside risk' on that Call Option , Fonz...just saying...can you get more than one per person?

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:28 | 5105082 moonstears
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John 12:47

NIV Jesus said "If anyone hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world."

as an abstract...interesting how most who "hate" Jesus have no idea, nor inclination to find out who he was. I've read the Dali Lama, don't agree with him, but I don't "hate" him and I'd give him a smile of kindness and bowl of rice if he knocked at my door. 

 

 

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 13:31 | 5105367 LithiumWarsWAKEUP
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" I'd give him a smile of kindness and bowl of rice if he knocked at my door. "  It's steak and beer at MY place...

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 13:53 | 5105447 moonstears
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Got ya. I said rice 'cause steak and beer not really his thing, as I understand from his writings, but thoughtful!

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:43 | 5104993 cornflakesdisease
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What does the bible say?

No Infant Baptism.

In view of the fact that ‘hearing the word,’ ‘embracing the word heartily,’ and ‘repenting’ precede water baptism (Ac 2:14, 22, 38, 41) and that baptism requires the individual to make a solemn decision, it is apparent that one must at least be of age to hear, to believe, and to make this decision. An argument is made by some in favor of infant baptism. They refer to the instances where ‘households’ were baptized, such as the households of Cornelius, Lydia, the Philippian jailer, Crispus, and Stephanas. (Ac 10:48; 11:14; 16:15, 32-34; 18:8; 1Co 1:16) They believe that this implies that small babies in those families were also baptized. But, in the case of Cornelius, those who were baptized were those who had heard the word and received the holy spirit, and they spoke in tongues and glorified God; these things could not apply to infants. (Ac 10:44-46) Lydia was “a worshiper of God, . . . and Jehovah opened her heart wide to pay attention to the things being spoken by Paul.” (Ac 16:14) The Philippian jailer had to “believe on the Lord Jesus,” and this implies that the others in his family also had to believe in order to be baptized. (Ac 16:31-34) “Crispus the presiding officer of the synagogue became a believer in the Lord, and so did all his household.” (Ac 18:8) All of this demonstrates that associated with baptism were such things as hearing, believing, and glorifying God, things infants cannot do. At Samaria when they heard and believed “the good news of the kingdom of God and of the name of Jesus Christ, they proceeded to be baptized.” Here the Scriptural record specifies that the ones baptized were, not infants, but “men and women.”—Ac 8:12.

The statement made by the apostle Paul to the Corinthians that children were “holy” by reason of a believing parent is no proof that infants were baptized; rather, it implies the opposite. Minor children too young to have the ability to make such a decision would come under a form of merit because of the believing parent, not because of any so-called sacramental baptism, imparting independent merit. If infants could properly be baptized, they would not need to have the merit of the believing parent extended to them.—1Co 7:14.

It is true that Jesus said: “Stop hindering [the young children] from coming to me, for the kingdom of the heavens belongs to suchlike ones.” (Mt 19:13-15; Mr 10:13-16) But they were not baptized. Jesus blessed them, and there is nothing to indicate that his laying his hands upon them was a religious ceremony. He further showed that the reason ‘the kingdom of God belongs to such’ was not because they were baptized but because they were teachable and trusting. Christians are commanded to be “babes as to badness,” yet “full-grown in powers of understanding.”—Mt 18:4; Lu 18:16, 17; 1Co 14:20.

The religious historian Augustus Neander wrote of the first-century Christians: “The practice of infant baptism was unknown at this period. . . . That not till so late a period as (at least certainly not earlier than) Irenaeus [c. 140-203 C.E.], a trace of infant baptism appears, and that it first became recognised as an apostolic tradition in the course of the third century, is evidence rather against than for the admission of its apostolic origin.”—History of the Planting and Training of the Christian Church by the Apostles, 1864, p. 162.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:13 | 5105076 Urban Redneck
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Thinking like that can get you drowned in Limmat or banished to the Siberian flyover land in the USSA.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:00 | 5105040 Oquities
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dogmatism applied to allegory in order to inspire better behavior by the less literate and philosophically inclined, as usual.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:18 | 5105087 SofaPapa
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+1 for beautiful alliteration.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 15:01 | 5105686 Oh regional Indian
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Brilliant...

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:15 | 5105079 HardAssets
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@Fonz - Of course religion is one of those areas, where it's just about impossible to have a rational conversation with many people. Years back, a devout fundamentalist Christian told me that non-Christians would go to Hell. I posed a hypothetical question for him. What would happen to a devout Buddhist monk born 1000 years ago, who had helped many people & lived a very good life ? - Let's say he lived in a very remote place and had never heard of Jesus. His reply was that the monk would go to Hell.

I have no idea what would've happened to that monk. But I was taken aback by how certain that this 'believer' was in his answer. He didn't pause; he didn't ponder the implications - that millions, billions would be damned based on the circumstances of where & when they had been born.

Fonz - if you ever want to read an outstanding book on spirituality & religion (written with a sense of humor - really. I'm not kidding ! ) - check out ' Awareness ' by Anthony de Mello. He was born in India and was a Catholic priest.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:28 | 5105113 fonzannoon
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Thanks man, I will definitely check it out.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:51 | 5105170 HardAssets
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Fonz - you're welcome. It's good stuff, especially for those of us raised with a Catholic background. You can find it in paperback and Kindle forms at Amazon.

Your sister may also find it enlightening, if she isn't completely rigid in her thinking.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:53 | 5105198 fonzannoon
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Thanks, I will certainly pass it on.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:50 | 5105185 Abitdodgie
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Once you read enough books about mans history you start to see the truth and all religions were invented in the last 7 to 8 thousand years to keep contol over people , eg " if you don't do as we tell you or belive in god you we not go to the afterlife" IF anyone has actually read the old testament you will relise that god (not God) was a pshycotic murdering fuck , as in the Korran,Telmund, kabbal, ect.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 13:48 | 5105438 Squiddly Diddly
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"Anyway I asked her, if my daughter led a good life, and then someone ended her life, and that murderer was baptized, he would get into heaven and my daughter would be in some other room. She said that was accurate but she did not seem so sure about it. It also threw her off a bit thinking that was the logic behind this. I still don't know the answer to that."

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rom 3: 

No One Is Righteous

9What then? Are we Jewsa any better off?b No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, 10as it is written:


“None is righteous, no, not one;
11 no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
12All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
no one does good,
not even one.”

17and the way of peace they have not known.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

19Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God. 20For by works of the law no human beingc will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.The Righteousness of God Through Faith

21But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

 

One is saved through the work of Christ faith being instrumental not the ground of salvation.  Baptism is the sign or seal (of the New Covenant) that one believes in God's offer of forgiveness.  Without faith baptism is an empty ritual.  Our works including baptism cannot save us.

 

Eph 2:  8For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:48 | 5104984 Rusty Shorts
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The Bible is telling the same story being told in Sumerian and Babylonian mythologies. The Igigi (minor Gods) worked for 6 days and then went on strike on the Shappatu (Sabbath). Then on the 7th day Enki, the LORD of the Earth, took over and started creating humankind. This parallels the Bible with GOD working on days 1 through 6, and then resting on the 7th day and Sanctifying the 7th day. Then the LORD God began blaspheming by working on the 7th day when he created Adam and Eve. 

 

This video connects my Jesus is Satan concepts to the many UFO and extraterrestrial experiences in the Bible. It talks about the REAL Trinity of the Bible that the Christian Church hides from us all. GOD is God, the LORD God is Satan the LORD of this World, and the LORD is an alien from another planet. The LORD is the physical manifestation of the non physical LORD God, and they work together for the betterment of the children of Israel.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-a1hLeJ8Oc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmuM-05J7aU

 

That's right, the Money Masters are shape shifting reptilians!!!

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:01 | 5105045 Rusty Shorts
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Ruled by Aliens

 

I made this video to point out all the Biblical imagery that adorns the flags from countries around the World. I already made some videos where I read directly from the book of Ezekial and talk about how the LORD of the Trinity is an alien surrounded by 4 four headed aliens that have UFOs hovering overhead. They also describe how the LORD, who is an alien from another planet, calls the Israelites his CHILDREN. If you believe what the Bible is saying, it makes clear that Jews are aliens from another planet.

I read from Ezekial, then I point out all the flags of the World that have the same imagery described in the book of Ezekial. The 4 four headed aliens that surround the LORD have the face of a man, face of an eagle, face of a lion, and the face of an ox. Then notice all the STARS, EAGLES, LIONS, and CROSSES in these flags. It is NOT a coincidence that almost every flag in the World has stars. All of this imagery comes back to the book of Ezekial and the first book of the Bible that describes the full glory of the LORD in appearance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwceq1HzjxU

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:18 | 5105085 chunga
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Sorry kids, it looks like Superman is a Joo too.

Superman Is Jewish: The Hebrew Roots of America's Greatest Superhero

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:18 | 5105050 luckystars
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Satan is the prince of this world, (even the Pope says that) thats why if you sign up with him you get lozza goodies in this life, for awhile.

Jews signed up with Satan for power and money

God is the supreme creator of this world, he is the boss.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:53 | 5105196 mt paul
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what about the giant beavers from Nibiru

that dammed up the oceans..

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:48 | 5105002 luckystars
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On your link ad reads "Israel is under attack, defend her the facts" buy my ebook.

This is why I shun religion, its fake, its not about Christ.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:04 | 5105051 moonstears
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Interesting. "This is why I shun religion, its fake, its not about Christ."

Though I believe The Christ was/is not a fake, I agree with the beginning of the statement. You're on a path, now follow through. +1

 

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 21:13 | 5106708 StychoKiller
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Then, get thee hence and alleviate some suffering: http://www.worldvision.org (one of the more efficient charities in existence!)

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:37 | 5104975 cornflakesdisease
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Jesus didn't look like a gaunt 14th century hippy.  His hair would have been short.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:49 | 5105008 moonstears
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I had a friend once argue that as a Nazarene, originally, He may have indeed had long/longer hair(Nazarene's/oath like Samson/long hair in His "hood"). I've found it interesting to postulate ever since.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 14:53 | 5105663 BeansBulletsBandaids
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Nazarite =/= Nazarene.

The Nazarite vow was the long hair/Samson oath. Nazarene just means that He was from Nazareth...

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:44 | 5104995 GeorgeHayduke
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"It's hard to be a Christian."

Especially once you grow up and learn to think. Hence the reason I quit calling myself a Christian in my late teens. I've seen no reason whatsoever since then to indicate I made a wrong decision.

Always remember, Christianity is a religion for slaves, the purpose of which is to keep the slaves docile.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:49 | 5105005 hedgeless_horseman
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Christianity is a religion for slaves

 Not true by my reading, as Jesus was a carpenter, Paul a tent maker, and Peter a fisherman, etc.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:55 | 5105024 GeorgeHayduke
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Skipped the Old Testament I see. The basis for all of it.

Regardless, this conversation will go nowhere. You obviously need to believe. Enjoy.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:07 | 5105060 real
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Fuck Jesus and all the other fantasy excuses. If you want to live in a make believe world please keep it to yourself

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:20 | 5105098 MsCreant
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Any religion practiced in such a way that you obey the rules because they are the rules, rather than deeply examining them, is a form of slavery. If you study your religion and feel like you resonate with the purposes of the rules and rituals and make the choice to follow them, that in my eyes is not slavery.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 15:14 | 5105523 Squiddly Diddly
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"Always remember, Christianity is a religion for slaves, the purpose of which is to keep the slaves docile."

 

Bob Dylan;

You might be a rock ’n’ roll addict prancing on the stage
You might have drugs at your command, women in a cage
You may be a businessman or some high-degree thief
They may call you Doctor or they may call you Chief

But you’re gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You’re gonna have to serve somebody
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you’re gonna have to serve somebody

 

Agrees with Paul.


Rom:6 15What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves,c you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, 18and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. 19I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 12:23 | 5105100 Ward no. 6
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jesus also promoted bankers lust with this parable

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2025:14-30

originally called parable of talents and talents back then meant money....

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 13:25 | 5105338 silverer
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Yes. You are correct.  At this point, I would be most inclined to follow the writings of Thomas Jefferson.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 13:40 | 5105399 bitterwolf
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My ancestors religion/belief system's concept of heaven/afterlife REAL different from joos/christian heaven. Weakness not tolerated and was an anathema to their way of life. see VALHALLA

Its hard to be HARD.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 14:07 | 5105508 HughK
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Did your ancestors blast Viking metal in the high school parking lot and draw swastika tattoos on their jeans and get rad but esoteric white supremacist tattoos in a moment of personal crisis?

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 15:20 | 5105613 bitterwolf
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Your reply is juvenile and comical, a reflection your IQ, and personal belief system.The tattoo in the avatar section is a Norwegian/Swedish RUNIC symbol that is thousands of years old and means "protection". Your revolting and puerile logic is indicting and entire people (Scandinavia) with your jewish fallacious conflation of the swastika(Indian,appropriated by NAZI party) and a peoples ancient writing symbolism( "rad and esoteric") is your infantile ignorant mind trying to grasp at strawman/red herring, white aplologist, self hate ,hyperbole talking points.Lose your self hate, and personal weakness, if you are a non-jewish white man.

Cheers cretin

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:32 | 5104955 whoisonfirst
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Elections are about three months out. Pull out the stops to turn out the vote. Sharpton, New Black Panthers. How much funding are they getting for their GOTV? 

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:32 | 5104956 whoisonfirst
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Elections are about three months out. Pull out the stops to turn out the vote. Sharpton, New Black Panthers. How much funding are they getting for their GOTV? 

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:56 | 5105030 Kirk2NCC1701
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"The Ferguson riots will continue until the drills and Beta testing of the the state's militarized LEAs is complete." - TPTB

Ferguson may yet be template for LEAs in other states.  It'd be interesting to see how these would play out in states like Alaska or Texas.  What am I saying... you would not get looting like that in those states:  the shop owners would become their own Security/LEA agents.  And rightfully so.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 13:13 | 5105280 junction
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On ABC's "Good Morning America" today, at about 8:08AM, they had former New York City police commissioner Ray Kelly on.  He said that the authorities in Ferguson should have released all the information they had at the start of events.  This is the same Ray Kelly who never released all the details on the NYPD killing of a black pothead in Times Square on August 11, 2012, a mentally disturbed guy smoking pot who got upset after police officers (who knew him well) wanted to arrest him one more time to make their quota.  He was gunned down after a slow speed chase by foot for brandishing a knife at police and refusing to be arrested.

(AP) "The encounter played out Saturday around 3 p.m., when officers approached a 51-year-old man they say appeared to be smoking marijuana near West 44th Street and Seventh Avenue, in the heart of Times Square."

As usual then in Bloomberg's New York, the lying reporters of the press buried the story, not telling New Yorkers that the police officers knew the black guy well from previous arrests they made of him for smoking pot.  This killing was different than the murder of Garner in Staten Isand or Brown in Ferguson in one big way.  Everyone, including Al Sharpton, allowed the NYPD police under Ray Kelly to cover up the 2012 murder of a mentally disturbed black man in Times Square.    

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:00 | 5104868 realWhiteNight123129
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REVOLUTION

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:23 | 5104927 HardAssets
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Bullshit

There's been more violence committed after some soccer or rugby matches.

More people were killed by criminals in any big city than has happened in Ferguson, and a helluva lot more have been killed by auto accidents over the last week.

Lots of fear porn going around.

Keep your sense of perspective.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:32 | 5104954 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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Very well said.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:24 | 5104934 Clueless Economist
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When is that Racist Paki shopkeeper going to be arrested?  He comes around the counter ethnically indimidating Mr Brown and then attacks him with his throat.  He then has the nerve to protest to the Gentle Giant about taking the carton of cigars without paying.

At least the peaceful protesters looted and burned his store.  Serves the Racist right.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 13:41 | 5105414 LithiumWarsWAKEUP
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Too bad the Paki shopkeeper didn't have a piece on him and drilled his ass on the spot when he turned and CONFRONTED the Paki.

 

I am such a badass.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 11:49 | 5105012 luckystars
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There is no revolution with this military.

There is only invasion by Russia/China

or split in military, that not likely Obama fired those generals that would.

if that happened, you would see military coup like Egypt.

All we have is collapse.

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