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Police Militarization In Ferguson, Missouri
By Walter Olson of Overlawyered
Police Militarization In Ferguson, Missouri
Why armored vehicles in a Midwestern inner suburb? Why would cops wear camouflage gear against a terrain patterned by convenience stores and beauty parlors? Why are the authorities in Ferguson, Mo. so given to quasi-martial crowd control methods (such as bans on walking on the street) and, per the reporting of Riverfront Times, the firing of tear gas at people in their own yards? (“‘This my property!’ he shouted, prompting police to fire a tear gas canister directly at his face.”) Why would someone identifying himself as an 82nd Airborne Army veteran, observing the Ferguson police scene, comment that “We rolled lighter than that in an actual warzone“?
As most readers have reason to know by now, the town of Ferguson, Mo. outside St. Louis, numbering around 21,000 residents, is the scene of an unfolding drama that will be cited for years to come as a what-not-to-do manual for police forces. After police shot and killed an unarmed black teenager on the street, then left his body on the pavement for four hours, rioters destroyed many local stores. Since then, reportedly, police have refused to disclose either the name of the cop involved or the autopsy results on young Michael Brown; have not managed to interview a key eyewitness even as he has told his story repeatedly on camera to the national press; have revealed that dashcams for police cars were in the city’s possession but never installed; have obtained restrictions on journalists, including on news-gathering overflights of the area; and more.
The dominant visual aspect of the story, however, has been the sight of overpowering police forces confronting unarmed protesters who are seen waving signs or just their hands.
If you’re new to the issue of police militarization, which Overlawyered has covered occasionally over the past few years, the key book is Radley Balko’s, discussed at this Cato forum:
Federal grants drive police militarization. In 2012, as I was able to establish in moments through an online search, St. Louis County (of which Ferguson is a part) got a Bearcat armored vehicle and other goodies this way. The practice can serve to dispose of military surplus (though I’m told the Bearcat is not military surplus, but typically purchased new — W.O.) and it sometimes wins the gratitude of local governments, even if they are too strapped for cash to afford more ordinary civic supplies (and even if they are soon destined to be surprised by the high cost of maintaining gear intended for overseas combat).
As to the costs, some of those are visible in Ferguson, Mo. this week.
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What do you slaves dont understand in SHUT THE HELL UP AND LICK BOOTS???
It only gets bitter from here...
Now that explains the almost two Billion rounds of ammo, including Hollow-points that, BTW is outlawed for use by the Hague.
Apherguson Missouri, Bitchez...
As one wise ZH commenter posted a couple years ago:
The Soviet Union didn't die, it moved to North America.
What we are witnessing in the US today is nothing short of the type of fascism displayed in 1930's Germany... Chapter and verse...
Keyser, You make some good points and stand head and shoulders above some of the newer posters here.
I salute you my fellow Texan.
Yes we can!
...destroy the country through corruption.
Let's just let OJ out of prison and call it even.
All this news is taking away from the real news story. Why did Obama cut his vacation short to come back to DC? To meet with Biden? Gimme a break! Reggie Biden maybe.
I'll tell you what I'm worrried about. Sooner or later, one of these incidents like Ferguson or the Bundy Ranch is going to happen, and somebody or several somebodies are going to want revenge big time, for their brother being killed, or something like that. They are going to take their AR15's and head down to the demonstration and take out a few cops, armor or not, and all hell is going to break loose. It will be Martial Law and it will spread quickly. The Civil War will be on, and it aint gonna be pretty. All our lives will turn to shit.
Now you see why the NSA needs to spy on us?
We're bad, bad people that can't be trusted.
http://www.planbeconomics.com/2013/12/no-way-to-hide-from-nsa-except-liv...
Democrat DA’s Abuse Of Prosecutorial Powers In Revenge Against Republican Gov
The "Revenge of Chris Krispy" was way worse. Punishing a politico by harming the citizens. But yeah, this stinks too. The R's have a doppelganger in Angela Corey, maybe we can get these "ladies" together for a surprise party...
VA code for "brandishing" a firearm:
https://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-282
Selected VA case law for use of deadly force in self defense:
http://oldsite.vcdl.org/pdf/Virginia-self-defense-cases.pdf
The jerk sitting on top of the police van pointing his rifle at unarmed people demonstrating, or standing in their yards / on their porches, clearly was "brandishing" under VA law. If I reasonably fear for my life as a result, can I shoot him?
See where this goes?
When that time comes, if you are white, you'll be glad that the cops are ready for civil war.
WRONG!
Be glad when YOU are ready for civil war.
Cause the cops will be protecting their own at that point.
Even??
Even for what? 400 years of Slavery? Or post slavery? (ending only about 1945 or so when lesser forms of slavery such as "peonage" finally ended in the South)
Even for what, dropping incindiary devices on Greenwood, the "Black Wall St." in Tulsa, OK. 1921? Burning down hundreds of business and thousands of homes? Rosewood? White Race Riots in Detroit, et. al.?
Or for systematic lynching of black soldiers when they returned from WWI, WWII, many while still in uniform, for crimes such as "reckless eyeballing", walking on the sidewalk. Or many "Even" for decades of terror reign of the (still active) KKK? Perhaps you mean for the now popular "stop and frisk" human rights violations of male Negros in New York City.
Oh I know, Even for decapitating any and all leadership that may have contributed to righting the ship; Malcolm X, MLK, the Panthers, even the Cribs (originally) and the Bloods, who were trying to be positive forces in the community until infiltrated by decent white folks (DWF).
Oh, perhaps Even for systemic discrimination in the workplace, in Education, institutes of higher learning, in Government jobs and appointments, redlining, predator lending in places like Baltimore, Cleveland, decades ago.
No, I know what you mean. "Even" for shipping in all that coke via Mena, Ark. into L.A. and other urban areas, starting and fueling the Crack epidemic, then the onerous sentencing laws to make possession of this form of coke 10 times the crime of the form of coke used by DWF.
Most of you have somehow forgotten all this, conveniently I'm sure. Or maybe these things were never discussed in DWF homes and schools.
Oh well, as Malcolm X said when DWF killed the only Prez. who was trying to make things right - JFK: "never feel sorry for the country boys when the chickens come home to roost."
Now cometh the "other" kind of reparations. Bon appetit (ebonics for, "enjoy your meal")
Gov'ment sets up a central banking system that results in the theft of untold amounts of money being stolen right out of your pocket, a government paralyzed to do the right thing, and the eventual downfall of the country...
But nary a whimper on that...
Guess it's too complicated...
Oh but some drugged up thug finally gets removed from the DNA pool and its A BIG FUCKIN DEAL...
You people need to get your priorities straight...
How should a police force stop the looters? Should they just give up until the criminals tire themselves out? I dunno. Bitchez.
@MeMadMax: Nary a whimper? Blacks should be more concerned over these years about Greenspan, Bernanke, and Yellen rather than David Duke, Nathan Bedford Forrest, and Joe Sixpack (not for his abs!)??
Hey, no it's not "too complicated" (racist!) but it looks like you got that (complaining about the FED) covered. By the way, how's that working out for you? And complicated... don't get me started here fella...
"You People" are more concerned about catching a bullet from outta control cops more than insidious depletion of our balance sheets. Sorry; rather be a dead broke nigga than a dead nigga. By the way, Trayvon Martin was a drugged up thug too eh? How about Amadou Diallo? Timothy Stansbury? Sean Bell? Do we really need to go here?
You're a credit to the human DNA Max baby. I can tell by your name and your sense of reasoning. We need more like you. Keep the FED and other insights coming mate.
Sure, let's go there. I am not aware of anything coming out concerning Amadou Diallo that would make him anything more than a victim of vicious, racist cops. It is real convenient for you to lump Martin in with him, but it is your credibility that takes the hit when you do so. Why not throw Crystal Mangum in there as well, you get tired or something? Now we hear that the most racist AG in our lifetime is ordering a third autopsy on Brown (in order to "get it right", I'm sure). Several shots in the right arm and a kill shot in the top of the head as he rushed the cop - according to a black witness not named "Brown's friend who would have no reason to lie". But then again, it doesn't matter whether the facts paint things in a different light, it only matters whether we can find someone to get their court nails on and get on the stand and tell us that facts "are retarded, sir".
PS - your reparations are out there in a field in Gettysburg.
That 6'4" 300 lb "kid" can't have been all too bright.
Me?
I'd a stopped when the cop pulled his piece and said "stop".
Or if it was a decaf day and I shoulda had regular coffee, at least I'd a stopped after his first shot.
No need to wait for 6 shots to get the message.
Or course, we must allow for the possibility the cop should have said, "Chill you mutherf..." instead of "Stop Sir, least I ...."
Cops need to speak the language of the perps better.
Low probability the "kid" had high scholastic scores.
He seemed to be more interested in vocational training.
/s
p.s. Cops also need to have rapport with the community for best law enforcement.
Coming geared up for a 3rd World firefight is not the right way.
But admittedly having military as police is popular with despots and tyrannies.
Tyranny would never happen here.
We have the Constitution?
See it...over there...the paper that Black guy living in that White House, is wiping his butt with.
I was on the air on kpoo, black public radio in the Filmore explaining to the hostess the fraud of fractional reserve banking and the Fed.
She summarized for the audience, "It's like steeling the bread without breaking the crust."
Brave lady Pam Pam. She would put her body between warring gangs in Hunters Point.
I was on the air on kpoo, black public radio in the Filmore explaining to the hostess the fraud of fractional reserve banking and the Fed.
She summarized for the audience, "It's like steeling the bread without breaking the crust."
Brave lady Pam Pam. She would put her body between warring gangs in Hunters Point.
@Miles Ahead
Well if it is that bad in the US, you could always go back to Africa right? I mean, Liberia is a paradise right now I hear.
I am glad you have such a strong sense of racial identity and understand the history of your race, but as far as I am concerned, the world has no place for people who cannot cooperate with one another. I say that in a completely non-discriminatory sense. That means any arabs, jews, blacks, whites, gays, lesbians, or any other radical demographic that is intent on killing another demographic off.
As far as I am concerned THEY (and by "they" I mean people who spew hate and vitriol specifically) can fuck off and attempt to colonize some other planet, or the Antartic.
Hate breeds hate. So retain your racial identity, if you wish, but the past should be let go and moving forward with the future should be the predominant focus, because ultimately times are tough for most right now. I would (as a white male) personally give you the clothes off my back if your heart was in the right place. Race is not an issue.
well said
Si se puede!
+1 for Texas!
...AND ... AND its brought to you by the very same financiers.....
OT - is it me or did Jimmy Carter have the same dentist as JFK/RFK, Willy Clinton looks familiar too, then there's all those bushes - from Prescott/Adolph to GHW - Zapatta (the operation not the oil ex company) to Bin Lyin its been one big ol' circle jerk for more than a century - CIA=WALL STREET = MIC = WYSIWYG.....what did you think was going to happen??
Keyser,
It WAS moved here chapter and verse by Operation Paperclip (think tens of thousands of valuable Nazi war criminals relocated to the US after WWII, this is fact and well documented).
It has just take a while to manifest itself.
The Nazis just relocated and set up shop here.
A good live feed
http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9635474/events/3298386}
Ferguson totally out of control now. So far tonite 1 shooting, 1 stabbing, Mc Donald's & Papa John's wrecked.
Do you think they cooked the Big Macs before they stole them?
Liberal Democrats voted for this twice. They want Bundy droned.
Hmm just WHO is Ernst Rohm (and his SA brownshirts) in this scenario??
Given that Röhm was a closeted homosexual, ... I believe there are more than one in the current admin (male and female), so take your pick
And what group of people were in charge of Germany at that time? Yup the same lineage controlling the banking a corporate sewers of America.
Something they were pointing out on I think it was Sean Hannity. (Not a listener but caught it in car while driving). Some guest was pointing out how Putin is sounding almost Reaganesqe while Obama sounds like a communist leader. They talked about it for a minute before I arrived and turned that globalist mouth piece off.
Actually, Nazi Germany moved to a new home on the Potomac and to a land between the sea and river.
An American, not US subject.
i'd replace soviet union by nazi (they didn't lose the war, in fact usa came to europe because the banksters back nazi were losing the war to the soviet, certainly not to defeat them, but save what could be)
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/17/does-this-video-vindicate-the...
First, there were several tweets and photos from a witness across from where he was shot who basically had the same story as the other kid with Brown. Also the dispatch recording indicates the reluctance of the thug to reveal his murder on a channel that he knew was being recorded.
Second, even if the killing is somehow "justified," the whole thing highlights the treasonous war that the DC US and their gun and badge thugs are waging against the American people.
An American, not US subject.
Even if we round down the number of American people that the gun and badge thugs kill every day to one... unless there have been well over half a dozen other victims of homicide by law enforcement in the past week, this shit storm is probably saving more lives then it is costing so far.
Yeah, maybe so but the autopsy is apparently not "going well" if we are to surmise that Holder's demand for a THIRD exam of the body means something. For the record, I am 100% against the militarization of the police, and believe they should be held personally liable for all misconduct - no suing the taxpayers when they throw a flashbang into a baby's crib. GO TO JAIL.
"Now that explains the almost two Billion rounds of ammo, including Hollow-points that, BTW is outlawed for use by the Hague."
Silly, The Hague ban on hollow point, expanding and frangible rounds only apply to war. Shooting unarmed americans is a peace keeping mission.
Hague Schmague! They have a lawyer that says it's all perfectly legal. So fuck you hippie!
Thats only for armed forces. What you will be dealing with will be civil, therfore no such rules (Hague/geneva) apply.
That sword cuts both ways.
Fucking idiots!
Hollow points are actually MORE humane ammo BECAUSE THEY EXPAND TO PENETRATE LESS AND NOT MAKE TWO HOLES TO BLEED FROM!
Modern hollow points stay in one piece versus fragmenting years ago.
Full Metal Jacket (FMJ) or "Ball Ammo" will penetrate multiple organs and keep going (over penetration) to hit somebody else.
FMJ ammo is used in military weapons mainly because THEY DON'T JAM like hollow points and because they will better penetrate clothing, cars, walls, multiple bad guys.
So get it right that hollow points are NOT evil ammo used by police, you mooks!
The US did not sign whichever of the Hague treaties that bans the use of hollow points.
I remember seeing a civilian in the US owning and shooting an Anzio 20mm. I thought it was funny and couldn't see why one would own one. Now I get it.
The FBI has them. Because reasons.
The FBI intends to procure the following items:
Magfed 20mm Rifle with Belgian Camo Overcoat finish. Includes bipod, brake, handguard, free floated barrel and case (Qty: 1 each)
Magfed 20mm Rifle with Navy NWV Camo Duracoat finish. Includes bipod, brake, handguard, free floated barrel and case (Qty: 1 each)
- See more at: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/30/fbi-purchases-20mm-rifles-...
This isn't organic. It's not like the local police think they need this shit, but it's FREE.
Yes, the FREE-SHIT ARMY in St. Louis has a police force and those cops want their free shit, too. Whether they need it or not.
And the Dual-citizen, Israeli-firster founded and staffed DHS Stazi couldn't be happier. The more of military crap that can be pre-positioned 'at the front', the easier it will be to walk in and take control when the time comes.
Remember - in the DHS-version of martial law, the local police are no longer used or even allowed to exist. They're DISMISSED and their equipment is APPROPRIATED by federal authorities. The primary aim of martial law is not to assist overwhelmed local law enforcement, but rather to remove ineffective local law enforcement and remove local police that are unwilling or unable to enforce FEDERAL laws.
SWAT teams can play soldier dress-up all they want for now as long as there isn't martial law. When it IS declared, the MRAPS, night-vision goggles and sniper rifles immediately belong to federal law enforcement Stazi. They become federal assets and are no longer local law enforcement assets. Crybaby SWAT team members refusing to obey confiscation orders by federal authorities at that time will be subject to 'enhanced persuasion tactics': a large-caliber round in the spinal cord just below their skull.
Upon declaration of martial law, newly unemployed SWAT team members are encouraged to seek employment at Wal*Mart. SWAT skills are highly desireable in the Cart-Retrieval corps. Unfortuantely, not so much in Wal*Mart Greeter or Floor Maintenance career paths.
So the trick will be to get the gear before the Fedcoats. Building and maintaining relationships with the local sheriff may prove VERY worthwhile.
So the trick will be to get the gear before the Fedcoats. Building and maintaining relationships with the local sheriff may prove VERY worthwhile.</sarc>
There fixed it for ya.
Unless your local Sheriff is a coward who will not come out against gun control or gun confiscation because he's all for it...
"Unless your local Sheriff is a coward who..."
Cowardice? Fear? I don't know about cowardice, but I do know that fear experienced by cops is behind most use of excessive force. The ability to accurately read situations while under pressure is a special skill that is probably part nature and part nuture. I have lived in various communities over the years and witnessed quite a few compleat jerks in uniforms. This type of cop consistently mis-reads what is going on, experiences FEAR instead of careful, competent CARE and then over-reacts. How much of this is bad or inadequate training I don't know. But many of these people are just inherintly unfit to handle authority in public...they don't have the kind of mind or the mind set required. They don't measure up for this type of work.
I think it's only natural for the incomptents, the unfit, the crazies to want excessive, military level weaponry to assuage their fear. Get rid of them and the push for militarization will fade. High functioning, highly competent police rarely need this stuff.
Mr ed says :"High functioning, highly competent police rarely need this stuff."
well well, perhaps the high functioning corruption at all levels of .gov produces the need for militarized police..a little justice for the likes of paulson, (insert politician's/judge name here), and others of the elites might do a world of good at establishing respect for law.
I would say perhaps that level of self control is simply too much to expect from the average person unless they are part of the community where they work.
We have millions of years of evolution which have helped prepare us for working in groups of about 100, where we know the first name of the humans with whom we need to relate and sympathize. We have a mere 6000 years (say only 300 generations, so nothing on an evolutionary timescale) of evolution helping us deal with the abstract concept of having empathy for somebody we don't know. This is a fundamental problem we don't seem to be very good at accepting.
There is an interesting parallel with the NSA and mass surveillance here: highly competent intelligence services don't need (or have any real use for) Orwellian ocean of intimate information on everyone. They do it the old fashioned way... they THINK.
The Boston terroist bombing was a perfect example: 2 specific warnings from Russian intelligence were available concering the Tsarnaev brothers and Tamerlan was on at least 3 terrorist watch lists...but the Boston PD was busy rousting Veterans for Peace or some such organization on the day of the explosions.
The NSA, all the while was collecting a torrent of data (illegally) but couldn't connect the dots!
It's just like Ferguson, what's needed is not more equipment, technology or violations of the constitution. What's needed is: people who possess a high level of competence in their jobs.
Mr Ed: This piece of writing alone would make you a more competent Governor of whatever State. But I guess people like you are exactly not the kind of people that go into politics.
Observing this from Europe and wondering how this would go down in an European city. Some of the countries here are so badly bankrupt that the Police force has not even money to put fuel in their patrol cars (I am not kidding here! This is the case in my home country. They have currently a couple of hundred Police cars in mechanical shops with unpaid repair bills. Shop owners refusing to give them back until they see some cash!)
the Tsarnaev brothers were just pawns for yet another false flag
Oh I see, "patriots" will wait till martial law is declared THEN launch their "take America back" revolution? A revolution they have no planning for, no strategy, no tactics, no logistics, no organization, no leadership?
And the biggest missing piece of all, no public declaration of intent, which makes it an illegal insurrection not a legitimate revolution.
Why do you think the southern states passed declarations of intent to cecede in their legislatures and called up the militia under state leadership? Because it's the CONSTITUTIONAL way to do it.
A legitimate revolt MUST start in the state legislature. The constitution says STATES can secede, not roving gangs of individuals.
Roving gangs of individuals is INSURRECTION by constitutional definition.
Of course "patriots" don't know that. But they'll find out the hard way if they try it.
I don't think they'll ever try it though. It's just talk.
Good point, Gatorboat, and for my son's sake I hope it is just talk. However, if my State ever decides that the Federal government is no longer welcome, I stand with the State.
"And the biggest missing piece of all, no public declaration of intent, which makes it an illegal insurrection not a legitimate revolution."
What does law have to do with this? We have no law. We have a vague illusion of law, based on the fact he courts sit, the legislatures legislate, etc., but no thinking person would say we have law.
The Constitution is the fundamental law of the land. It is routinely disregarded by the federal government. The NSA charter, which has the force of law, specifically states it is not supposed to engage in domestic intercepts. We see how well that works. John Corzine embezzles over one billion dollars of segregated funds. Nary a peep of even possible prosecution. Videos of police committing murder - and that is exactly what their actions are - are common. Ferguson is just one more incident.
Hence, your comment of "illegal insurrection" is something of a laugh. Can we expect the government to grant even legitimate self-defense legal standing? How about the UN, that useless rich nation country club?
Personally, I belive if some dark day arrives and you are going to go all the way to resisting some sort of imperial Federal authority it is unlikely it will succeed short of the support of your local governor, then on down to your local sheriff. The governor officially owns the National Guard in his state and most of the members will be your neighbors.
"...The governor officially owns the National Guard in his state..."
Nope - not any more. They are simply allowed (by the federal government) to use their state's existing guard in certain instances during peacetime. States cannot create, recruit for or fill positions in the National Guard unless already authorized by the respective federal service branches. Read the fine print in the Patriot Act. The National Guard as we know it was federalized in 1991 and got the final axe in 2002. They had to get rid of them as state assets because they were at odds with the subsequent creation of DHS Stazi and NORTHCOM.
Today, it's purely an administrative and bureaucratic distinction by name, not a practical one. Since Iraq, Guard Units have slowly been stripped of combat roles and associated equipment, supposedly as a money-saving measure. States still have constitutional authority to raise state militias if they choose, but wouldn't because of cost.
All current State National Guard units are essentially federal assets, entirely at the disposal of POTUS as he sees fit.
Suppose there is an insurrection or a revolution... what difference does it make once the shooting starts? All that will matter will be winning. Win and insurrection becomes glorious revolution. Lose and who cares.
You have to be pretty looney tunes to believe an unplanned disorganized revolt against this govt would have any chance of success. It would be anarchy not revolution, and would not achieve the goal of "taking Ameirca back". It would plunge America into 3rd world style anarchy, destroy what's left of the economy, just like African nations in anarchy.
That's why you don't attempt an unplanned disorganized revolt. It never wins, it just plunges the nation into anarchy.
It's all about section 1033
Federal government programs in the US have turned police into military force By Zac Corrigan16 August 2014
The 1990 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) first allowed the “transfer to Federal and State agencies” of “personal property of the Department of Defense (DoD), including small arms and ammunition,” if it was deemed “suitable for use” in “counter-drug activities.” Later, this provision was replaced with section 1033, which added “counter-terrorism” as an acceptable rationale for military arms distribution. 1033 is operated by the DoD’s Law Enforcement Support Office (LESO), whose motto is “from warfighter to crimefighter.”
In June, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) released an extensive report titled War Comes Home: The Excessive Militarization of American Policing, which shows that the federal government has spent billions of dollars arming local police forces with military-grade weapons and encouraged their use in day-to-day policing.
The DoD transferred around $1 million of property in 1990, $324 million in 1995, and nearly $450 million in 2013 to local police agencies across the country. The federal government “requires agencies that receive 1033 equipment to use it within one year of receipt, so there can be no doubt that participation in this program creates an incentive for law enforcement agencies to use military equipment,” the report states.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/08/16/mili-a16.html
Its fun to play soldier and bully defenseless women and children. In a real war zone they would hide, cry and piss in their pants.
Sort of like the IDF, and the Kiev junta......
If you look around the world it is always far easier and more profitable to control and oppress the large mass of generally law abiding relatively passive people in the middle. If you had to guess would you say your local cops spend more time pulling over and fining middle class people and truckers going to work or are they breaking down doors where the real bad guys live? Which is more profitable?
In most of the world, the cops and military are THE source of oppression and tyranny whether Mexico, Phillipines or some African country. They have the guns and authority to use them without penalty. It is also why they make deals with and ignore the real bad guys.
It is easier to oppress the sheep than fight the wolves.
Oh, BOOTS! I thought you said COOTS and was all like wtf would he want me to lick coots for? That is so, like, gross n' stuff. Boots makes lots more sense. Thanks a bunch.
Here we have the Pentagon’s '1033 program' that helped militarize our small-town police force to be better equipped than some in Afghanistan...... All they want to do is try out their new shit on us all to see how well it works.......
And this is just one town.... These MRAP's and other battle field warfare items are spread all across America...... Good luck with that......
"The Ferguson riots will continue until the drills and Beta testing of the the state's militarized LEAs is complete." - TPTB
Ferguson may yet be template for LEAs in other states. It'd be interesting to see how these would play out in states like Alaska or Texas. What am I saying... you would not get looting like that in those states: the shop owners would become their own Security/LEA agents. And rightfully so.
p.s. Do they sing the Truck Driver's Song "I've been everywhere, man"?
.... short answer to your query on Texas - while admittedly involving feral forces, yes that's right feral - WACO - went to serve a warrant and massacred a bunch of church join' white folk men women children didn't give a shit just cut em down with AWF, gassed them blew them up and burned them alive so there's that......... Alaska not so sure.... if left to locals probably nothing near what you see in the south - anything below canada
edit - oh and the press was kept well away from that too...... and that was before the knomeland security charade existed officially .... welcome to the party pal....
Seems to me I recall that the SWAT dudes got their asses shot off the first attempt, so the feral FSA resorted to tanks, aircraft, incendiary devices to 'deal' with a bunch of churchy folk that didn't realize just how impressive those Swat jockeys were, and therefore neglected to bow to tyranny sufficiently.
A bit o humor...SNL church ladies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_dTn5PsXo4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
The swat jockeys lost a little luster losing to that crowd.
Is it time for the mocking and rotten fruit yet?
What do you think the occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq were? They were beta testing for occupying Murica.
and it appears that the U.S. troops got their ass kicked....again.
I just don't understand why TPTB think they can win a police action against a enemy on their home turf. I guess they will have to learn the hard way.....again.
The Ferguson riots will continue until the drills and Beta testing of the the state's militarized LEAs is complete. - TPTB
The beatings will continue until moral improves.
The police state isn't coming, it's already here.
The problem isnt the equipment, its how and when to apply it. Applying offensive tactical equipment designed for assault in a defense crowd control situation is a massive fail all the way around.
papas. "The problem isnt the equipment"- wrong!
It's like having a fast motorcycle, most people will use the power if they have it.
You are suggesting citizens shouldnt have the right to own firearms or they will use it for evil only. If you are correct then we should drop government completely and go for anarchy since no one can be trusted.
Police having the equipment plus power over others invites abuse. That is just common sense. It is also another powerful argument FOR citizens owning firearms.
Try to use context next time.
Please may I lick the left boot now!
You may be overlawyered, but you are under researched. The officer's name is Darren Williams, and his name has been available for the past two days...
I up arrowed you because you posted faster than me.
Uhhh...Article was written 4 days ago.... Click the link to the original. Who is under-researched?
First it was like bam!
Sorry for the criticism... my bad...
darren "wilson", double fail
And then it was like BAM!
Fuck this freak show and it's producers too.
I'm going to the cellar with my cup, to visit the spirits there. Ain't no freaks or spooks down there. Just loving ferments and spirits.
" police have refused to disclose either the name of the cop involved" They have disclosed the name of the cop involved. Where have you been, Walter Olson? I see you can write lies anyway. Or do you just not bother to get any facts before you write. You can do better ZH.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-U8AiQjebm8c/U_C0CB_1i0I/AAAAAAAAR1A/ADYcsAn3Ff...
Article was written 4 days ago. It's not hard to click the link to the original article to prevent yourself from looking like a total asshole.
I didn't go back and look but I believe at the time this article was written they had not disclosed his name. Lets not get bogged down with the trivia, the militarization of cops is a bad thing.
Unless the federal government is going to give this unused, surplus military equipment back to the People who purchased it, instead of local cops of course ;-)
The "this time is different" is something I understand...yes I get it.
But. This time *is* different because prior to 9/11 how many of these umpteen US wars resulted in the military coming home with no other choice but give weapons to the domestic police?
I can't remember this happening before nor, have I ever read about it.
Well, it was pretty standard for quite some time before 911 for rifles, shotguns and other equipment to be made available for purchase by civilians as a "source of revenue" (as odd economically as that would seem, civilians purchased it in the first place for the Feds) to the Feds.
I used to have a M1 carbine and 37 Ithica trench gun circa WWII before my unfortunate boating accident ;-)
I want a 1911, M14, lotsa bullets and if they have any Garands still kicking around one of them too.
because when you rolled in the 82nd you were not quivering with anticipation to shoot someone, you were apprehensive yet well trained. the people with this equipment are for the most part are societies rejects.
Blacks in the USA are scarier than Muslims...overseas or anywhere. That's why the President advised "reflection." That is a massive piece of armor after all..."and once these home boys start unloadin' they ain't gonna be stoppin' anytime soon."
Next up...sealing off the Governor's mansion "just in case."
That was supposed to be sarcastic...although in Missouri who knows. "Setting the tempo for how this revolution thingy gonna work...
That is an epicly accurate statement Stormsailor!
They LOVED It! They LOVE a good slave uprising. They get to dress up like SEALs and play with their toys meant to occupy Baghdad. I'd like to send these same tough guys to the Ukraine, see how they fare against the Russians. Oh wait...they have real weapons and not rocks and banners. Ivan would grease your roid raged SWAT team member in 80 seconds.
Good point. With a few years spent in the Navy, I know what seals look like. These fucking cops dress up like fucking super seals, to go out and face down a few colored folk mad because a brother got shot. It is a disgrace. I watched these cops aim guns with night scopes at people walking down the street. I looked over the faces of cops in the close up shots and what I see aer a group of underachievers who got a government job on easy street. Now they get to play dress up, without paying their dues like seals do. A seal has to go through hell for a year before they even begin to play dress up. Fuck, do us taxpayers fund all that shit these guys put on. I have been watching videos taken of infantry and tank combat in Ukraine, guys who are not playing war, but fighting, killing and doing real down it the dirt war. These cops are overdressed, in real war you have to strip some of that shit off and go into battle light, so you can move.
A lot of what we see is an intimidation factor in the way they gear up IE: Robo Cop. Little do these clowns realize they look like over dressed GI Joe homo's.
Say it ain't so GI Joe, you're not a flaming homo!
mommy,mommy does barbie come with ken? no darling, she fakes it with ken, she cums with gi joe. lol
Agreed. Looking tough and being tough are two different things. That dude with the scope on the displaced and repainted former Iraq ATC would have a new hole in his throat by half the guys on here from 1000 yds out.
"Agreed. Looking tough and being tough are two different things. That dude with the scope on the displaced and repainted former Iraq ATC would have a new hole in his throat by half the guys on here from 1000 yds out."
Yup, those treasonous gun and badge thugs at the Bundy ranch invasion and occupation understood that and left.
An American, not US subject.
1,000 yards huh. Round 'em up and we'll have a shoot off. I'll put a trillion FRNs against 50% hitting a man's throat at that range. Heck, you can have the whole man at that range. Everyone brings their own gun.
So I can bring my GAU-8? It's awful noisy...
Hit a prone or a flat target or even one just sitting up from 1000 yds out from a flat trajectory or even worse a slight incline/decline? Complete BS. It takes real skill and experience to kill with a rifle even at 150 yards on that kind of target.
bud s is 24 weeks, advanced another 18 weeks, advanced isn't as mentally and physically stressful.
some training onweekends late 70s' early 80's was done at chino state prison they had sat training facility. not many know that little tidbit.
Shit...I thought that said rocks and bananas at first. I guess my eyes are rayciss. +1
Gotta employ all those now 35+ year aged Americans who "volunteered" in return for a $20 thousand sign up bonus at age 20 to go fight our imaginary wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. To defend our country.
Now, 15 years later, those countries that we invaded are in ruins so we have brought back the very same people that destroyed those countries to defend our citizens as "policemen".
Great idea.
I am highly skeptical of the "LOOTING" moniker. It was used extensively during Katrina and if anyone followed the story there was NO looting but rather open season on black citizens.
I am sure there are broken windows in Ferguson and other damages but "LOOTING" is a term used by MSM to keep the hate flowing between different groups of citizens.
Fuck You
Looting WAS done during Katrina. Had numerous friends there during it.
...so please....stop being self-righteous about this shit...a whole different kettle of shit.
The guy up to his chest in water carrying a 42 inch plasma TV and a case of Heineken is a classic.
The looting and raping was also done by the N.P.D. as well as the neighboring county Sheriff's Deputies positioned at the bridge over the county line who gunned down unarmed black citizens who were fleeing New Orleans on foot. Out of state looting FEMA workers were found and hung in one affluent neighborhood with the bags of stuff they stole from Neiman Marcus left below their swinging corpses. The Feds sent in FEMA teams to cut the County Sheriff's communications towers to the point the Sheriff's Dept. had to post armed guards at the antennas. The hurricane itself was 'steered' into New Orleans by elements within the Federal Gov using scaler technology... Need I say more?
Right on, Benb.
Another case where Blacks were targetted (and in this case forced to leave their homes) by Uncle Sam. Yet a few pro-forma stories about looting gets the Klansters all amped up about race wars and primitive Africans.
And they ignore what's really going down.
IMHO, most of the garbage comes from COINTELPRO posters (with massive rigged up-votes for dumb, blatantly racist comments that really don't seem like they fit the IQ level of the crowd here).
I think everyone here know that conspiring banksters + MIC are the real evil, and based on how they tend to operate, it should come as no surprise that their agents are hard at work here in the comments pushing the MSM's desperate psyop message: they wish that we believe *the* problem in America is 'blacks' and poor people on wellfare ('cos they want to rob us!), so we will back the god-damned pigs' war on people.
You must be old. I would be surprised if anyone on this site under the age of 50 knows what COINTELPRO was.
Exactly. Best example of this during Katrina: black people "loot a grocery store" and white people "find bread and soda"
http://www.salon.com/2005/09/02/photo_controversy/
White people nowhere close to Ferguson can now forget that the mad dog killer kop took out an unarmed 18 year old because the media presents the city as 20,000 brigands.
Are you fucking on crack?
So what is that activity they keep showing on every news program, dancing with the Punjabis?
http://patdollard.com/2014/07/exposed-violent-ms-13-gang-members-leave-g...
So this is another result of what non stop war for over a decade will get a country...reminds me of that other empire started by Remus and Romulus at their end...sad thing is that empire should have been a blue print of what not to do...destroyed from within...
"The darky's are on the move Governor Nixon...but don't worry we're one step ahead! Plus we have enhanced interrogation techniques...but we'll make sure you're not implicated in any way. Actually..this conversation never happened! Sound about right? Next stop...President Nixon!"
Scuffle with a cop... and you can be executed. All they have to say now is- "I felt threatened."
Yeah, if somebody unarmed runs you can shoot them in the back.
They get those little morons to put on their government army costumes and a lot of them play the part. Get into their role.
The Feds have been 'training'/militarizing/brainwashing/bribing the local police for decades.
I'm disgusted these fascists are paid to 'serve' the community. Half of them shouldn't have been hired in the first place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G63FEamhpA0
"Get some! Yeah! Get some!"
Here's the easiest way to get out of being a mad dog killer kop.
It works especially well if the victim is Black, since, you know, he threatens any decent white person by being born Black.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt6kKhlX8vU
You ain't seen nuthin yet. Immigration, diversity and multiculturalism, that's been the mantra of the looney left wing Jews for decades now. (not the conservative Jews) At least Matt Drudge knows the score.
Detroit, Chicago, Watts, New Orleans, St Louis, we haven't seen nuthing yet.
Speaking of Detroit -
Police tell Detroiters to buy guns in city riven by race issues and crimeCity police chief has encouraged residents to arm themselves as stark racial disparities in ‘shoot first’ laws become clear
http://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/aug/17/police-guns-detroit-crime-r...
Shoot first and then what? "Send in your after action review to After Action Review.com"? If it looks like self defense we'll let it slide but if it looks like motive, means and opportunity we might have to send a squad car over"?
I think the last thing Detroit needs right now is a flood of firepower. What was that movie where they sealed off New York City again?
I think the last thing Detroit needs right now is a flood of firepower....Yeah, becuase its not already there.
You would be the type who thinks it's a bad idea for individuals to be able to defend themselves wouldn't you.
Edit: Or does it have anything to do with Detroit being something like 80% black?
I saw an interview with the new police chief in Detroit who is black. He does not sound like a lib and seems like a good guy. I have no clue where they found him.
Without multiculturalism, white people would listen to really shitty music.
Whatever. You can't spell CRAP without RAP.
Gimme the Doobie Brothers any day. Or, New Wave. Scrawny white Brits make pretty good music, too.
Ask Pete Townsend about his influences.
And new wave is fine. But music requires instruments.
You mean the repressed homosexual who race baits, never posts a retraction when he links to what turns out to be complete BS, and has some of the most vile (and foolish) readership on the web?
Drudge is scum and the sad thing is he doesn't even have to work hard in order to do what he does anymore.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni6fJpTIQw4That cop in the Hamptons retiring on 160k and a 400k bonus is laughing at the taxpayers.