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Ron Paul: "What Have We Accomplished In Iraq?"

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By Ron Paul

What Have We Accomplished in Iraq?

We have been at war with Iraq for 24 years, starting with Operations Desert Shield and Storm in 1990. Shortly after Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait that year, the propaganda machine began agitating for a US attack on Iraq. We all remember the appearance before Congress of a young Kuwaiti woman claiming that the Iraqis were ripping Kuwaiti babies from incubators. The woman turned out to be the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the US and the story was false, but it was enough to turn US opposition in favor of an attack.
This month, yet another US president – the fifth in a row – began bombing Iraq. He is also placing in US troops on the ground despite promising not to do so.
The second Iraq war in 2003 cost the US some two trillion dollars. According to estimates, more than one million deaths have occurred as a result of that war. Millions of tons of US bombs have fallen in Iraq almost steadily since 1991.
What have we accomplished? Where are we now, 24 years later? We are back where we started, at war in Iraq!
The US overthrew Saddam Hussein in the second Iraq war and put into place a puppet, Nouri al-Maliki. But after eight years, last week the US engineered a coup against Maliki to put in place yet another puppet. The US accused Maliki of misrule and divisiveness, but what really irritated the US government was his 2011 refusal to grant immunity to the thousands of US troops that Obama wanted to keep in the country.
Early this year, a radical Islamist group, ISIS, began taking over territory in Iraq, starting with Fallujah. The organization had been operating in Syria, strengthened by US support for the overthrow of the Syrian government. ISIS obtained a broad array of sophisticated US weapons in Syria, very often capturing them from other US-approved opposition groups. Some claim that lax screening criteria allowed some ISIS fighters to even participate in secret CIA training camps in Jordan and Turkey.
This month, ISIS became the target of a new US bombing campaign in Iraq. The pretext for the latest US attack was the plight of a religious minority in the Kurdish region currently under ISIS attack. The US government and media warned that up to 100,000 from this group were stranded on a mountain and could be slaughtered if the US did not intervene at once. Americans unfortunately once again fell for this propaganda and US bombs began to fall. Last week, however, it was determined that this 100,000 was actually only about 2,000 and many of them had been living on the mountain for years! They didn’t want to be rescued!
This is not to say that the plight of many of these people is not tragic, but why is it that the US government did not say a word when three out of four Christians were forced out of Iraq during the ten year US occupation? Why has the US said nothing about the Christians slaughtered by its allies in Syria? What about all the Palestinians killed in Gaza or the ethnic Russians killed in east Ukraine?
The humanitarian situation was cynically manipulated by the Obama administration --  and echoed by the US media -- to provide a reason for the president to attack Iraq again. This time it was about yet another regime change, breaking Kurdistan away from Iraq and protection of the rich oil reserves there, and acceptance of a new US military presence on the ground in the country.
President Obama has started another war in Iraq and Congress is completely silent. No declaration, no authorization, not even a debate. After 24 years we are back where we started. Isn’t it about time to re-think this failed interventionist policy? Isn’t it time to stop trusting the government and its war propaganda? Isn’t it time to leave Iraq alone?

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Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:05 | 5106856 Oldwood
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Chaos, the new world order.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:09 | 5106880 Wolferl
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Congress? What Congress? Lol.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:14 | 5106890 Pladizow
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International instability. Which is/was always the goal.

Bankers make more money from war than peace.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:16 | 5106905 Oldwood
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We can't be concerned with facts or reality when our biggest concern is how we feel about things. As with our domestic policies, the destruction wrought by them in the pursuit of doing the "right" thing is irrelevant. Intent outweighs outcome.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:35 | 5106969 Anusocracy
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Empire doesn't exist to give a reason why,

Empire exists to do and lie.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:37 | 5106978 knukles
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What have we accomplished?
We killed lots and lots of brown people, folks!

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:46 | 5107004 kliguy38
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that was collateral damage especially the women and children. Nothin to worry bout since they are brown and trying to steal our freedom and stoppin' us from buyin' stuff at Nordstroms

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:46 | 5107008 TahoeBilly2012
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Different accomplishments for different people, plus the Lucifer thingy...

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 23:30 | 5107173 old naughty
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Only important thing is we have not learned the lesson for millenniums...

So we "allowed" Lucifer to do "god's work", no?

Most heads are still in sand (not where you think).

He ain't heavy, he's my brother.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 00:13 | 5107370 Drunk In Church
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Iraq and the Middle East were much safer when Saddam was alive.  He kept the savages towing the line.  Bush ignited a Sunni-Shiaa civil war.  Now we have to deal with ISIS.  An Islamic Caliphate in Syria and Northern Iraq isn't good for anybody.  Bitchez.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 01:10 | 5107509 markmotive
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Ron Paul: US Lost Legitimacy to Lecture Other Nations on Law and Democracy


Mon, 08/18/2014 - 01:14 | 5107523 AldousHuxley
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Accomplishment #1: HIGHER GAS PRICES

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 07:38 | 5107878 philipat
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Sorry to remind of the facts for a moment. Saddam was NO friend of Al-Qaeda which had NO presence in Iraq before the "Liberation". Now, Iraq is being broken up within an increasingly unstable ME at the risk of craeting a Radical Islamic State which threatens Europe and never existed before the "Liberation" of Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan. Mission accomplished....for the Military Industrial Complex.

But, at this stage....what difference does it make? We are screwed.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 23:42 | 5107243 SuperRay
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The Second Coming

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 03:57 | 5107694 Squid-puppets a...
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awesome poem, top post

i must confess to have neglected Yeats

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 05:26 | 5107741 Truthseeker2
Mon, 08/18/2014 - 07:41 | 5107887 TahoeBilly2012
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Yeats/Waterboys awesome stuff..

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 23:05 | 5107067 Greenskeeper_Carl
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Sure, but once we started counting every male over 18 that was within the blast radius of a bomb as an 'enemy combatant', regardless of if they were armed or even suspected of any wrong doing, the number of civilians killed dropped dramatically, and the number of 'enemy combatants' killed went up. Winning!

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 23:08 | 5107081 Oldwood
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Power through the definition of language.

What is a terrorist?

What is a combatant?

What is a patriot?

What is a tax?

What is a law?

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 23:41 | 5107238 logicalman
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What is a militant?

What is an insurgent?

What is a freedom fighter.

Depends who's telling the story

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 02:49 | 5107631 thamnosma
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BREAKING at midnight Pacific time:


TRIPOLI (Reuters) - Unidentified war planes flew over the Libyan capital Tripoli early on Monday and explosions could be heard, residents said.

A Libyan TV channel said planes targeted positions in Tripoli where militias have been fighting for control for over one month. None of the militias is believed to own war planes.

Government officials could not be reached for comment.

Tripoli residents said they could hear several explosions but said the cause was unclear. The city was quiet afterwards.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 23:09 | 5107083 JR
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And, lest we forget, there are those many killed in Eastern Ukraine, including the 46 ethnic Russians burned to death in the aftermath of the horrific events of May 2, 2014, in Odessa (events paid for by Nuland’s $5 billion U.S.A. war chest). After voicing their opposition to the new authorities in Kiev and being set upon by Yat’s pro-Kiev thugs , they took refuge in a trade union building, hoping police would arrive to protect them.

The protection never came; instead the thugs set the building alight, burning to death almost everyone inside. America’s thug leadership called it a “murky episode.” You decide:

How Neo-Nazi Thugs Supported by Kiev Regime Killed Odessa Inhabitants. Photographic Evidence


Sun, 08/17/2014 - 23:47 | 5107245 Dr. Everett V. Scott
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Well, that's something, at least. 

But we should never have booted out Saddam.  I was all for it at the time. I believed. But the more time that passes, the more I think that Saddam was better than most dictators. He kept the Islamists in line and under control.

Look at what's there now. ISIS. Unbelievable savages. Rabid dogs that need to be exterminated. But who is going to do it?

Certainly not B. Hussein Obozo.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 01:32 | 5107555 StychoKiller
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Kuwaiti babies are now safely playing in their incubators, Duh! :>D

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:26 | 5106942 Oldwood
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There is no congress as there is no bill that does not explicitly follow Obama's agenda that will even be debated on the floor of the Senate. Even if it does follow some part of the left's agenda, they still won't pass it because the left is desperate to deprive republicans of any credit, at all. Thank God, because republicans are desperate to look relevant and shed the "mean" label put on them by the media. They would give away the whole damned country if the dems played along...and they still might.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:24 | 5106933 junction
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Perpetual war, perpetual spying and arranged deaths for anyone who opposes the New World Order.  Even the conservative Mirror (UK) newspaper is commenting negatively on the new TTIP Partnership treaty that will bring the entire world under the domination of big business.


Secret trade deal could be battering ram for big business
to smash open and deregulate markets

Aug 17, 2014 23:55
by Jason Beattie

Jason Beattie asks whether the Transatlantic Trade and Investment ­Partnership will be as good as it's cracked up to be

Imagine if Britain were to sign a treaty that allowed US health giants to take over the NHS.

Imagine if that treaty also let American multinationals sell us food pumped with chemicals and growth hormones.

And imagine if it also allowed any global corporation that was barred from doing these things to take the UK Government to court.

Scary isn't it?

But what’s truly frightening is that this is not some nightmare scenario.

For more than a year the United States and the European Union have been engaged in talks which could lead to all of these things happening.

It is called the Transatlantic Trade and Investment ­Partnership (TTIP) and it is perhaps the biggest story that is never written about.

The intentions behind TTIP are well meaning.

Put simply, European companies exporting to the US, and vice versa, won't be hit with extra fees or tariffs.

Breaking down trade barriers between the world's two biggest exporters should generate wealth and boost their respective economies.

The British Government claims if the deal goes through it could lift the UK economy by £10billion a year, though this figure has been questioned.

The automotive, defence and ­pharmaceutical industries could all benefit.

And then you read the small print.

Negotiations on TTIP are taking place behind closed doors but that hasn't stopped big business from lobbying hard.

In the US, more than 20 major organisations ­representing the food and farming industry have made submissions on TTIP.

They include demands for the EU to water down its policy on GM crops and food safety, allowing the sale of chickens dunked in chlorine and lifting bans on meat pumped full of growth hormones.

But it is not just the farming sector at risk.

When similar deals have been struck between other countries multinationals have sued Governments if they believe their right to trade in a free market is being curtailed.

The tobacco giant Philip Morris is reportedly taking legal action against the Australian government over the ­introduction of plain fag packets.

Under TTIP, Britain could ban the sale of cloned animal meat – but we would have to pay ­compensation to the US firm which produced it.

The unions here fear the trade deal will allow US health giants to ­challenge our system of publicly-funded health care – though the EU ­Commission denies this is the case.

Employment rights could also be under threat.

The US has the fewest International Labour Organisation conventions in the world, making it easier to hire and fire people.

As I said, TTIP could be a good thing.

But it could also be a battering ram for big business to smash open and ­deregulate markets on both sides of the Atlantic.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 23:05 | 5107070 knukles
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Could be?
How's about is by design?

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 23:35 | 5107209 indygo55
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How could anyone trust anything these people try to do?

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 05:09 | 5107736 Silver Kiwi
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In New Zealand it's the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Whatever it's called it's the same thrust by US big business to put their stamp on the world before it's too late for them. They need to be stopped. In my opinion the backers of these trade deals are far more dangerous than ISIS. At least with ISIS you knpow who they are & where they are...

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 05:16 | 5107739 Silver Kiwi
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BTW America, why isn't Ron Paul president. Come on you guys, get your shit together. He's the one guy who can sort out the Fed, Govt debt, your ridiculous foreign policies and IMC not to mention getting the dollar back on the gold standard...



Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:48 | 5108358 dizzyfingers
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"He's the one guy who can sort out the Fed, Govt debt, your ridiculous foreign policies and IMC not to mention getting the dollar back on the gold standard..."

No, he can't, or all of what you claim would have happened. Others tried and died.


Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:39 | 5106981 Anusocracy
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It's the attempt to enforce order that brings chaos to natural order.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 23:05 | 5107073 Oldwood
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It is through chaos that those who seek to lead acquire power. Chaos creates fear in people, we need to know who is in charge and what the rules are. Making the trains run on time, the favorite past time of all tyrants as proof of their powers. We want someone to control others in our protection, just not to control us.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 02:49 | 5107629 sessinpo
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Oldwood    It is through chaos that those who seek to lead acquire power. Chaos creates fear in people, we need to know who is in charge and what the rules are. Making the trains run on time, the favorite past time of all tyrants as proof of their powers. We want someone to control others in our protection, just not to control us.


Those that seek power do so in whatever climate. That is achievable by  dumbing down the public. In good times, they buy public opinion with subsidies. In bad times, they blame others for the failure of the unaffordable subsidies. Thus they acquire power in any climate. The problem is that government shouldn't be offering such subsidies in the first place. It becomes a tool for politicians to manipulate the public.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 00:09 | 5107358 drendebe10
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More consistent, coherent policy from the corrupt arrogant arrogant narcissitic illegal indoensian kenyan alien muslim sociopathic pathologic liar in cihef only interested in its celebrity grand imperial life style on the backs of hardworking taxpaying Us citizen serfs and peasants.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:04 | 5106857 holdbuysell
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Zero point Zero.

Well, actually much less.

But atleast the US got the oil sales switched from Euros to USD.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:04 | 5106859 thamnosma
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Sure glad HE isn't president  /sarc

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:09 | 5106881 knukles
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Still shake my head about how dumb Palin's supposed to be when we got Plugs and the Boy King

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:25 | 5106939 Pure Evil
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The War On Women never sleeps.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:41 | 5106993 Anusocracy
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She's evil first, dumb second.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:53 | 5107028 Oldwood
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Yes, nothing like Hillary.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 02:33 | 5107619 Bananamerican
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everything like Hillary.....

the same as for amerikan dudes, a nation of MILLIONS and we get CHOICE: Palin/Clinton

Palin: airheaded, egocentric, "right-wing platitude" spouting, tit sack and political opportunist

Hillary: venal, grasping Statist power hag with a 3rd nipple located under her Left armpit

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 04:01 | 5107697 Squid-puppets a...
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i beleive you have posted a factual error. the nipple under her left armpit is, indeed, her 5th

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:52 | 5107025 Yen Cross
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 Red teams and Blue teams, Knuks.  AKA Distractions...

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 22:56 | 5107039 Oldwood
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Yes, but to hope that some third team will enter the fray and offer a real alternative is even more delusional. The media runs this country and our choices will be framed by them. Red/Blue is all we have, so we best be figuring how it infiltrate and influence the existing matrix to advance our goals. Anything else is dreaming. We will see a full on collapse/crisis before we see a viable third party.

Just my opinion of course.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 23:44 | 5107246 logicalman
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The only vote that counts is the vote in your wallet.

It's the only vote that anyone takes notice of.

Spend accordingly.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 01:18 | 5107528 Oldwood
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Absolutely agree. Our money represents our liberty in many ways and how we spend or invest makes all the difference. To buy imports, to hire illegals, to borrow for anything but the absolute necessities is to "vote" for our oppression or enslavement. But this is the opposite of what they tell us and this is how we know it to be true.

Sun, 08/17/2014 - 23:44 | 5107250 Yen Cross
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 Dedwood to Oldwood. JFC, I never thought we'ld  be having this conversation?

 I feel so alone... naked, and common coreish ?

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 02:54 | 5107640 sessinpo
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Oldwood    Yes, but to hope that some third team will enter the fray and offer a real alternative is even more delusional.


And what would that third team be? Another party? And don't you realize by now that it only leads to another group seeking power and doing pretty much the same thing as any progressive party (dem/rep)?

In the US, we have fallen away from The Constitution. It needs to be rewritten to even more clearly state the LIMITS of government. Obviously, the way The Constitution is now, it doesn't limit government enough in legal speak.

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