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ISIS Gets Angrier At America: "We Will Drown All Of You In Blood"

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Over the past month ISIS has been getting angrier (""God Willing, We Will Raise The Flag Of Allah In The White House" - A Deeper Look Inside ISIS") and angrier ("ISIS Issues Threat To White House; Secret Service Taking "Appropriate Steps") until today it released a video in which it warned the United States it will attack Americans "in any place" if continuing US raids hit its militants. The video, released by Reuters, which shows a photograph of an American who was beheaded during the U.S. occupation of Iraq, featured a statement which said in English "we will drown all of you in blood".

But while we get the anger of the Islamic State, be it real or staged, now that the US has allegedly retaken the Mosul dam, one wonders how a terrorist organization with over half a billion dollars in funding, a state of the art "made in the US" weapons arsenal, and glossy year-end profit & loss reports, can't afford to spend a few dollars on the production quality of its propaganda videos, especially if as the rumors suggest not one but several key "developed world" intelligence outlets are pulling the ISIS strings.

 

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Mon, 08/18/2014 - 21:06 | 5112106 FreeSlave
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BS...

Anyone can create that kind of videos

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 21:14 | 5112152 Buckaroo Banzai
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"But while we get the anger of the Islamic State, be it real or staged..."

Oh, the anger is real. Read the Koran. The infidel must be slaughtered, converted, or humiliated. The scripture is quite clear.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 21:20 | 5112180 James_Cole
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If ISIS doesn’t learn to control that temper I bet the US takes drastic action, i.e. no more humvees, rocket launchers and m4s until they chill. 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 21:33 | 5112235 remain calm
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You big pussies don't scare me. Your God, Allah, is a pedophile. Fuck you and him. Come get me. My Address is 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 21:34 | 5112244 fonzannoon
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What town?

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 21:38 | 5112272 Chief KnocAHoma
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Fuck off rag heads. Somebody warm up the nukes.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 21:43 | 5112297 ZerOhead
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I say just take out Abu Bakr and his leaders with some hellfires...

Of course I have a feeling they aren't interested in doing that any time soon.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 22:02 | 5112402 Davalicious
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"They" are getting angrier because the US/British/Other white public don't seem to be excited by the prospect of jumping into the meat grinder to reduce our population and kill off the enemies of Israel. Saudi Arabia and Quartar funded ISIS. The US/UK gave them equipment in Libya.

ISIS is run by a Jew, as revealed by more of Snowden's NSA leaks:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/isis-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-trained-by...
https://syrianfreepress.wordpress.com/2014/08/13/isis-is-run-by-simon-el...

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 22:25 | 5112507 ZerOhead
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That 'leak' has been debunked.

Everything I read from people in the know (the top former terrorists who were approached for recruitment as well as intelligence leakers) say CIA and MI6 are running it with some major assistance from Israel  (Hospital care supplies etc etc) Jordan (training camps) and GCC donors plus jihaidis.

It's a nice inter-faith network working together for the common good of all...

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 22:25 | 5112532 TahoeBilly2012
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Albert Pike 1870's letter about Three Word Wars, pretty spooky read. WW3 Zionist Israel and the Islamic world destroy each other, as the rest of the world is exhausted in spirit through the conflict. Sound about right?

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 22:50 | 5112639 balolalo
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i wonder when we get our first ebola suicide attack...

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 01:26 | 5113144 Realname
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Hopefully...very soon...the US needs some eugenics...lets start in the DC area and work our way westward.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 02:54 | 5113242 chumbawamba
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Once you've got New Jersey, New York and Texas covered you've basically wiped out most of the retards in America.

-Chumblez.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 03:22 | 5113265 Realname
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Youve left out San Francisco, Seattle, and DC. Im sure I missed a few others.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 08:32 | 5113649 TuPhat
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Would that still leave you chumba?  In that case it wouldn't be finished.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 09:11 | 5113821 sfisher
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I live in NJ.  What you say about Texas is not ture!

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 03:12 | 5113256 fredquimby
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Ebola martyrs?

http://outrageousminds.wordpress.com/2014/08/16/3000-ebola-martyrs-warne...


Tue, 08/19/2014 - 06:50 | 5113414 what's that smell
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"But while we get the anger of the American State, be it real or staged..."

Oh, the anger is real. Read the Bible. The infidel must be slaughtered, converted, or humiliated. The scripture is quite clear.

fixed. thanks buckaroo.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 23:49 | 5112861 Sam Spade
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Please tell us where you graduated college, so that I can make sure none of my offspring go there.  And if you didn't attend college, well that explains a lot of things.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 00:02 | 5112922 Duffy Duck
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"Pike's" letter ranks up there with Joseph Smith's golden plates.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 00:43 | 5113061 TahoeBilly2012
Tue, 08/19/2014 - 08:17 | 5113583 StandardDeviant
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"Three Word Wars"?  Is that like Scrabble?

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 08:29 | 5113634 pazmaker
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Ok I'm willing to believe this but when I click on the link.  The claim is only backed up by  "according to documents released by Snowden"   Where are these documents that were released?  Can we seee the documents?  Who originated the documents? Let's see them!

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 22:47 | 5112616 fleur de lis
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The sooner ISIS gets vaporized the better.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 00:06 | 5112932 john39
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ISIS is bullshit.  This is mostly propaganda so that the US/UK/ISrael and vassal states can continue to wage war and chaos around the world.  you can't destroy something that doesn't really exist.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 04:38 | 5113311 BrosephStiglitz
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Ebola is bullshit- our bushmeat is good..

Said a bunch of Liberians in Monrovia, right before an unprecedented epidemic broke out.

I for one am not impressed with the wholesale arming (either advertantly, or inadvertantly) of a warlike demographic in one of the world's most fractious and least trustworthy regions of the world.  Any potential threat to security needs to be taken seriously although fear-mongering is not appreciated either.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 05:33 | 5113345 TheWord
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Napalm the lot of them.  I love the smell of burning terrorist in the morning.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 21:39 | 5112275 remain calm
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I live in a big white house.  

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 06:53 | 5113419 what's that smell
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check the org chart, bitches.

ISIS, ISIL, or IS is a corporate brand owned by the CIA/State Dept.

but whatever....bitches don't care....bitches love to hate them "ragheads"....bitches love to be abused by their masters.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 21:40 | 5112281 ZerOhead
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.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 23:25 | 5112779 disabledvet
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Worst period ever apparently.

Russian smack talking is Waaaaay better. ISIS needs to pick up their game here lest they be taken for mere blowhards. Hell even the Iranians and Saddam did a better job back in the day.

Release Dana Carvey! Bring back Church Lady!

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 22:59 | 5112675 Realname
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Send ISIS to every church in the US. ISIS and the christians can butt rape each other until they all squeal in delight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gLN3QoN-q8

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 00:13 | 5112711 Realname
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Already downvoted by one buttsex lover...Im sure there will be many more. Get over yourselves, you religious nitwits. And quit raping little boys and billygoats!

Wow!...Lots of christians in the crowd. I figured Zerohedge to be a little more classy.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 00:51 | 5113082 FreedomGuy
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After reading your post, I thought the same thing.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 01:20 | 5113118 Realname
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Apparently, intelligence is lost on the 'religious' types. Such is life. We can see how popular pedophilia is, by the downvotes. Christianity...the best religion a virgin ass can buy.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 03:46 | 5113277 photonsoflight
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Just because obama claims to be a christian doesn't make it so. Don't lump truly God fearing people with organized religion, which is just another means to control people. Could it be that pedophilia in organized religion is a means to turn people away from God? In which case (as in yours) it has been very successful. Now if you wanna go down the road that there is no God, then your saying that it is ok to steal, rape , cheat on your wife, murder, etc. etc., all those lovely civilized traits we can thank God for. Hmmm are you saying that those things are happening here in the good ole U.S. of A. now? God has left the building, sort of speaking. Close the door and shut off the lights when your done.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 04:34 | 5113310 cahadjis
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Is it only fear of god's punishment that keeps you from doing all that??!!! Oh my ... god, now im worried about humanity.

 

I'm an atheist and have no inclination to be immoral. Like many others. Deal with it.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 08:32 | 5113644 pazmaker
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Where do your moral absolutes come from and what is your morality based on?

 

What is moral and immoral?   Couldn't it be different things for different people?

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 00:53 | 5113089 Antifaschistische
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First of all....the flag of Allah was raised in the White House about 6 years ago so that's no threat!!   So bring it on!!

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 21:37 | 5112264 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Come on, you camel humping fairies, let's see what you've got. I dare you pansies to try anything against Washington DC. I double dog dare you.

You can't, because you're all talk. Taking a selfie in front of the White House with your used butt-wipe flag is for girlie men. Your caliph is such a pussy that even the geriatric homo Prince Bandar could kick his ass.

The mighty ISIS: Inept, Sissified, Idiotic, Stupid.

Obama prancing around in his mom jeans is more intimidating.

 

 

 

 

I hope that gets them riled up, but their illiteracy could be a limiting factor.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 23:27 | 5112786 tony wilson
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hey stooge you are wrong the cia and fbi have an office in washington maybe even 50 offices are you saying they have not got the ability to do sumtin you anudder knucklehead fella.

FBI Fake Terror History: Judge Napolitano

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR4vYKaCi0g

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 06:19 | 5113387 TheFourthStooge-ing
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hay tony you are write and eye am just halfing sum fun hear.

+1 up myster wilson.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 23:26 | 5112789 trulz4lulz
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The NSA has read this, they are taking your grievences into account and they are going to see what they can do. Could take time. The inter department paperwork is a nightmare when trying to communicate with the appropriate agencies outside their "jurisdiction".

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 00:44 | 5113067 Kirk2NCC1701
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"I hope that gets them riled up, but their illiteracy could be a limiting factor."

Good one.  Their handlers speak better English than half the bloggers here.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 01:00 | 5113102 FreedomGuy
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I have watched the videos of ISIS/ISIL and I think they are just intoxicated with their own success. They have the adrenalin and testosterone flowing which tends to turn off the brain. Massacreing, raping and crucifying will do that to you. So, they are a bit full of themselves.

I watched them threaten to take Istanbul if Turkey does not cooperate along with any other city you might name. Right now a few of them are busy catching Hellfire missiles and getting a taste of reality. They might be rethinking the videos. I think if the guys I see in the videos met a real ranger or USMC battalion they would dress like women and try to escape. They are used to Iraqi's who drop their weapons and run or at best the sort of militia like Peshmerga or Kurdish home defense forces. They are motivate fighters but not especially well equipped.

The question I think we actually have to answer is exactly what does it take to make these zealots quit? I suspect we know but are unwilling to say it or do it.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 02:35 | 5113217 Implied Violins
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"If ISIS doesn’t learn to control that temper I bet the US takes drastic action, i.e. no more humvees, rocket launchers and m4s until they chill"

I laughed. Out Loud. If they cut my head off and shit down my neck because of it, it was worth it. Thank you.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 21:24 | 5112197 ZerOhead
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"We will drown all of you in blood" ... Who the hell in the State Department wrote that shit up?

 

It should have read... "We will drown all of you folks in blood..."

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 21:38 | 5112268 BigJim
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If it's true that ISIS are a CIA/Mossad creation to help bring about Oded Yinon's vision, then I doubt very many of their members actually know this.

Which means they're likely to overstep the bounds of what they were intended to do.

I've got the feeling ISIS have wandered off the reservation and are being trimmed... if they pull back from the Kurdish and Shia areas and just focus on holding the Sunni areas and attacking Assad, I think they'll find they'll get a lot less interference from the West.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 22:06 | 5112393 ZerOhead
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I'm still open to other opinions but as we speak...

Numerous well placed sources claim ISIS is CIA not Mossad. That makes sense considering Abu Bakr was in US custody for 5 years. The plan for ISIS regardless would be largely identical however. Here are the 3 biggies...

1) Bring Iran into the conflict ( Re: Kissinger/Cheney 100 year war between Sunni and Shia)

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2014/07/05/ISIS-destroy...

2) Break up Iraq and allow arming and recognizing Kurdistan as an independant country to be able to sell it's oil legally.. The major oil companies already have much better deals in place for the oil fields here compared to the $1 to $5 per barrel production agreements in the rest of the Iraqi oilpatch.

3) Force the rump of Iraq into a signing a SOFA to keep tens of thousands of American troops permanently stationed in Iraq to protect these oilfields.

Remember Biden's original reason for picking Al Malaki?

“Maliki wants us to stick around because he does not see a future in Iraq otherwise,” Biden said, according to the account. “I’ll bet you my vice presidency Maliki will extend the SOFA.”

http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/breaking-maliki-biden

 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 23:01 | 5112686 fleur de lis
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I agree--they wandered off the reservation. ISIS was tasked with taking down Assad, supplied with Western weaponry, got a PR image cleanup as "rebels" and as a bonus they were given the green light to abuse, torment, and murder any Syrian unfortunate enough to cross their paths. Destroy property and blow things up, no questions asked. Then they got over confident and took on Iraq without permission. Psychopath is as psychopath does. They forgot that they are Western pawns. Now they are loose cannons, making way too much noise, acting all messy, bringing heat from the brass, so they will be eliminated.    

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 22:11 | 5112454 duck dodgers
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Or maybe..."Some folks drowned in blood"

Or

"We drowned some folks in blood"

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 02:38 | 5113226 Implied Violins
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You guys are in rare form tonight...I'm laughing so hard, I'm having trouble breathing!

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 03:25 | 5113267 Realname
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Contact John Hagee...he wrote the script for Israel. Or Israel wrote the script for him...enquiring minds want to know...

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 21:45 | 5112311 ZerOhead
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The Koran can be brutal.

The Torah (Old Testament) is no pushover either...

Leviticus 25:44-46 New International Version (NIV)

44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 22:14 | 5112453 ZerOhead
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< Words of men

< Words of God

Now don't be down-voting the word of God... or was it just the word of some sociopathic men who liked to own a couple of slaves?

You can decide and tell me which it is... I'm just an athiest destined for hell anyway...

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 22:16 | 5112480 Slave
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Not what the Christians ever followed, but the Zionists sure do.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 03:54 | 5113280 eurogold
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of course not. We all know that throughout history, no christian would ever hold slaves.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 22:33 | 5112556 nmewn
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And I'm kind of a betting man, to some degree.

I'm willing to bet that on your death bed, you try and hedge the bet on your belief (thats what it is, isn't it?) Because (as an atheist) you have proven beyond any shadow of doubt that He does not exist.

Riii-ght?

But what mortal man can do this...unless you fancy yourself God and therefore knowing everything there is to know, know you aren't real...but how will I collect and the wager, if I'm right?

Perhaps just a handshake, a knowing smile when we meet again ;-)

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 22:59 | 5112678 ZerOhead
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Nope. Not a chance. 500 years before Christ Greek scholars were commenting on the natue of anthropomorhpic gods.

Xenphanes

When Ethiopians describe their gods they look like Ethiopians

When Thracians describe their gods they look like Thracians

If a horse were to describe its gods they would look like horses

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 23:46 | 5112855 Fazzie
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Yes but a really big horse that either stomps you to death or leads you to mountains of oats, depending on your horse morals.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 00:59 | 5113100 Harbanger
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God of the old testament is spirit and therefore has no physical form.  The Ancient Greeks/Romans made Gods in their image, they were also polytheists and believed in many Gods.  It's a major distinction.  If people make Gods in their own image how did the Hindus get stuck with Hanuman the monkey god.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 11:30 | 5114555 ceilidh_trail
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Why'd you have to bring john kohn into it?

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 03:57 | 5113282 photonsoflight
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At the time slavery was a common practice. Times have changed, now we call it paying taxes or being imprisoned and having our stuff stolen.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 22:15 | 5112478 nmewn
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The Torah is not the Old Testament.

Five does not equal Thirty Nine (or more, for Coptics, Catholics etc.) even with Islamic New Math ;-)

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 22:35 | 5112545 ZerOhead
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Point well taken. It is the pentateuch so just the first 5 books of the Old Testament.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pentateuch

 

Of course most Christians treat the entire thing as the word of God... ;)

 

Anyway nmewn I find the "Good Book" a completely fascinating read. A wonderful political document complete with bronze ag and early iron age ethics written by priests from a land (Judea not Israel BTW) that was almost always a vassal state of the Egyptians Assyrians or Babylonians.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 22:35 | 5112575 nmewn
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I only ask that you not be deceptive and proclaim the Torah as the same as the entirety of Old Testament.

Because its not ;-)

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 22:44 | 5112588 ZerOhead
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The most violent and hideous parts of the bible are in the first 5 books. Read Genesis sometime... the raping and pillaging and killing of the Canaanites and others... all to the glory of god.

Abraham even loaned out his sister/wife Sarah both to Pharoah and King Abimilech (2X yup) and get mucho slaves (300?) and livestock and silver in return.

I'll excerpt some passages later... great reading! Lot's of Babylonian (Sumerian) and Egyptian mythology in it as well.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 22:43 | 5112606 nmewn
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Raping you say?

Well, that would be some interesting reading...lol.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 22:51 | 5112624 ZerOhead
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It has always been about advancing the interests of the powers that be...

 

(Judges 21:10-24 NLT)

 

    So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children.  "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin."  Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

 

Like I said... Great instruction manual for sociopaths...

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 23:23 | 5112765 nmewn
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Its a little different in KJV.

They were instructed by the elders to go do this at Shiloh.

20 Therefore they commanded the children of Benjamin, saying, Go and lie in wait in the vineyards;"...for the dancing girls.

You said it yourself: "This is what you are to do," they said."

Context is everything.

 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 00:09 | 5112942 ZerOhead
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Lying in wait... hmmm... sounds delicious!

They were still virgins though right?

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 00:13 | 5112962 john39
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come on, you can't seriously argue that the Bible is not full of bloodshed and violence, sometimes ordered directly by "god":

http://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible3.htm

can you see Jesus ordering any of this?  I can't, and apparently the Judaic religious leaders of his time couldn't either...  so they rejected him and had him killed, because their messiah is supposed to be a conquerer, not a prince of peace.

the "bible" is hopelessly confused.  simple truth.   btw, I am not an athiest, far from it.

 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 04:10 | 5113289 photonsoflight
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I can see the son of God being violent. Remember how he treated the moneychangers. As for the destruction of the peoples in the holy land, remember why they were to be destroyed (same reason as the flood). Same reason as today (as in the days of NOE). Can you say monsanto? And there were giants in the world. Hint, hint, hint.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 05:19 | 5113332 medium giraffe
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Who is this 'Jesus' dude anyway?  Matthew 1:23 suggests that the messiah would be called Immanuel.  He was supposed to be a descendant of David (Romans 1:3), but the virgin birth negates this.

Also, in John 14:13-14, he says that "And whatsoever ye ask in my name I do, that the Father may be glorified in the son.  If ye ask any thing in my name, I will do it."  Ok Jesus, I'll have a strawberry daiquiri please! Nope, didn't work.........

Imposter and a liar eh?  Silly old book, even contradicts itself when taken literally by the uninitiated (though the occult knowledge once contained within has been obscured by edits and translations rendering it unfit even for its original purpose.)

 

 

 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 12:06 | 5114790 Abaco
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Actually, if you were literate, you would not see a contradiction which was not there. In the referenced passage Jesus was talking to his disciples at the Last Supper.  His promise to do anything that they asked in his name cannot simply be appropriated by you and then dismissed when your strawberry daiquiri fails to appear.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 23:21 | 5112759 petkovplamen
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Yeah, remember David's children raping and killing each other? How Amnon raped his half sister  Tamar then got killed by his brother Absalom? Oh yes those Jews were so wonderful indeed!

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 00:07 | 5112937 Duffy Duck
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no, just the most vile parts.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 04:38 | 5113315 cahadjis
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Exactly. All ramblings that idiots take literally. Morality is not derived from some bloody book!

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 21:45 | 5112315 tony wilson
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bucky baby never talks of the talmud cos he has had the end of his rancid cock sucke by a rabbi : )

moshe here ya go vhs tape but sure is interesting init

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH_Bs-pN46s

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 23:16 | 5112738 petkovplamen
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Then you should try reading the Torah and the Talmud to  see what the Jews think about the Goym. Try not to get shocked when you read that Jewish men are allowed to have sex with a girl as long as she is over 3 years of age and that all Goym children are animals.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 23:19 | 5112758 Andre
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This is cool. A religious thread, and what I want to do is go to a mosque and yell "Allan's Snackbar! Allan's Snackbar!" instead of getting mixed up in the "debate".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U38HmSSAGSo

Stupid and disrespectful, but I still think it's funny.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 23:44 | 5112845 Spumoni
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Yeah, well, the infidel is ISIS. They have as much relation to Allah as pedophile priests have to Jesus. Not a single sheikh of the 19th Century but would have them all impaled and beheaded. Genocidal maniacs with hi-tech weapons. Yeehah. 

 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 05:20 | 5113340 ebear
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Death to extremists!

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 00:41 | 5113052 trulz4lulz
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The anger may be real, but I bet you 10 USD they dont have that much blood.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 02:52 | 5113241 the tower
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Which was taken from the old testament, and the Torah.. as you know.

 

The Koran is based on the Bible and the Torah, remember?

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 04:14 | 5113293 GuyJeans
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The Koran is based on the Bible and the Torah,

 

.. just like Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter is based on Abraham Lincoln. 

The Quran is a mashup book that didnt even get the stories right.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 03:51 | 5113279 GuyJeans
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But, but .. Islam is a peaceful religion, CBS, NBC and CNN said so, didnt ISIS get the memo?

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 21:14 | 5112153 TeamDepends
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What can not be denied though, is that SOMEBODY is butchering then cannibalizing Christians in Nigeria, Iraq, Syria and elsewhere. And to these demons we say: Bring it, goat fucker!

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 23:43 | 5112843 general ambivalent
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Sounds like something Blackwater/NATO/ISIS would do.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 00:44 | 5113066 Canadian Dirtlump
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Those butchering christians, shia and yezidi have killed as many or more sunni. If one has eyes to see they would remark at the outrage of moderate muslims at these atrocities. These salafists / wahhabists would be considered the horn of satan by their supposed contemporaries.

As a biblical christian ( based on personal experience and research ) I want and ask for the same thing most all right thinking religions do. Like the religious mosaic that is syria I want to live my life and be allowed to celebrate how I see fit. I have concerns about the details of islam but given again in syria there has been 20 plus religious groups living in relative harmony, I know that free worship and diversity is possible.

Radical islamists, dominionist christians and elitist jews do exist but dont represent the religion at its core

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 21:20 | 5112182 JLee2027
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Muslims have been trying to conquer the planet for nearly 1400 years. The agenda never changes. Turn all churches into Mosques, force everyone to worship the moon, or die. "Day of the Siege" (2012), an excellent movie with cheapo special effects is worth watching for historical knowledge.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 21:39 | 5112279 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Yes, but so has Christianity. It's the nature of the beast. Very seldom do any organised religions keep to themselves. I'd go as far to say Christiantiy has done far more conquering than Islam throughout history. Just look at the 2 billion Catholics. They all just didn't independently decide to become Catholic. Humans are not generally happy unless you are part of the group or tribe whether it be a group of drinking or smohool or hospital.king buddies right through to your particular theistic group or tribe. Let's be honest, evangelical christians are hell bent on converting people, admittedly theeir means are vastly different to ISIS. ISIS is just a temporary abberation though, such a horrendously ruthless group will self destruct. Keep in mind ISIS sawing the head off a christian is no more brutal than a US drone bombing a sc

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 21:55 | 5112338 JLee2027
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Yes, but so has Christianity.

Not by force. It does not even compare, are you serious?

 

They all just didn't independently decide to become Catholic.

Of course they did! No one put a gun to their head. Absolute ming boggling insanity. 

 

Let's be honest, evangelical christians are hell bent on converting people

Nothing wrong with it.  It's what GOD wants Christians to do - spread the good news of salvation. Are you too weak to say "NO"?  You still ahve free will, a home and a family. Under Islam if you aren't immediately killed and your property and family destroyed, you are taxed to death.

 

How do you think America was built? How about that prayer session the Founding Fathers had before they wrote the US Constitution? They prayed for hours for guidance. Oh, the horror of it all.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 22:07 | 5112417 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Not by force, NOT BY FORCE. Are you serious. What timeframes are we talking about here?????????????????????????????????

UM, have you heard of the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition just to name two of the most blatantly obvious. Christians have been as brutal throughout history as bloody Attila the Hun.

"Of course they did! No one put a gun to their head. Absolute ming boggling insanity."

Have you heard of coercsion?????? 

"Nothing wrong with it.  It's what GOD wants Christians to do"

How do you know, you must think highly of yourself to think you know what god wants.

I think you are brain washed JLee. Nothing against you personally, only the destructive thinking that religious people foist upon the world - "You are either with us or you are against us" mentality. Love your enemy JLee, this is what gods wants from you. This means loving ISIS. It's your holy book mate, not mine. Love ISIS or go to hell.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 22:08 | 5112436 JLee2027
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UM, have you heard of the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition just to name two of the most blatantly obvious.

 

The Crusades were to re-conquer what the Muslims, by force, had taken from Christians.  The Holy Land, you know where a guy named Jesus once died for you.

The Spanish Courts were so bad, that people accused of murder and other serious crimes would CHOOSE to accept the Inquisition (Court of the Church) because they were more ... get this...more lenient. YES, more lenient, than the courts of men.

You've listened to the propoganda. Like most, don't know the truth. Understandable, but now you know.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 23:01 | 5112684 nmewn
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"The Crusades were to re-conquer what the Muslims, by force, had taken from Christians."

Truth is like a dagger straight to the heart, Muhammad was born almost six centuries after Jesus.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 23:10 | 5112722 JLee2027
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Yes, I know. It was still called the Holy Land.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 00:18 | 5112972 john39
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hey genius... there are Christians living in Syria, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Palestine and many other Muslim nations...   they got along just fine until the CIA and Mossad send their goons in...   you seem to forget that Jesus is revered in Islam...  (but not Judiasm).  funny how the zionist press convinces you that black is white.

try a search engine...  you might finally claw your way out of total ignorance:

http://islam.about.com/cs/jesus/f/jesus_quran.htm

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 00:38 | 5113042 JLee2027
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there are Christians living in Syria, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Palestine and many other Muslim nations...   they got along just fine until the CIA and Mossad send their goons in.

Too stupid to respond to.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:40 | 5118413 FreedomGuy
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Yeah, they got along fine just like blacks got along fine in the South until the civil rights movement. They got along fine like religious people in communist countries.

Your post is so abysmally stupid is makes one incredulous.

Let's just take your theory seriously for a second. If what you say is true than the Muslims actually loved the Christians, Jews, Yazidis and thought they were fine neighbors with equal standing. That thing about banning Bibles in Saudi Arabia was just a joke, right?

So, how would one even recruit these ISIL thugs? Did they go to Pakistan and Afghanistan to find the guys who love Daniel Perl...without his head?

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 23:26 | 5112785 petkovplamen
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The Crusaiders were by definition and practice the first imperialist wars of conquest by the Euroepans. I know it because as a Bulgarian we witnessed the Crusiaders passing through Bulgaria and pillaging and looting the Bulgarians. And the Bulgarians were Christians themseves! But what happned is the Bulgarians fought the Crusiaders and caught one of their knights by the name of Balduin and locked him in a tower for the rest of his life. Sicne then that tower has been know as "The Balduin tower". It is still there in Veliko Turnovo, reconstructed in the Tzar's palace known as Tzarevetz.

Nice try to re write history but you lose because facts are against you.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 00:42 | 5113053 JLee2027
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I didn't rewrite history you did. The Romans were first. Bulgaria was conquered by the Muslims, you should be grateful Christans banded together to free your country. 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 05:37 | 5113347 ebear
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"The Crusades were to re-conquer what the Muslims, by force, had taken from Christians. "

That was the sales pitch.  The real reason was to reduce the peasant population of Europe.  This was necessary as the carrying capacity of feudal states had been reached, thus war and famine were upon them.

As a major player in the feudal system, the Church's interests were aligned with the barons and nobles, thus the relgious appeal to liberate the Holy Lands.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 07:13 | 5113448 JLee2027
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Bullcrap. Sending an Army of Knights thousands of miles away would not reduce the peasant population of Europe.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 02:52 | 5118764 ebear
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Thousands of peasants went on the various crusades because it held out the promise of plunder and land, opportunities that were not available to them in the overcrowded feudal estates of the day.

Not that I expect you to investigate that angle, but there are other people reading this who might, so there's that.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 22:12 | 5112447 JLee2027
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I think you are brain washed JLee. Nothing against you personally, 

 

On the contrary, I've spent years searching for truth. I used to believe the lies you now believe. 

 

How do you know, you must think highly of yourself to think you know what god wants.

It's in the Holy Bible. Spread the news...

 

Mark 16:15.

He (The Lord) said to them, "Go into the whole world and proclaim the gospel to every creature.

Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 22:23 | 5112528 BringOnTheAsteroid
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You spread the word JLee, Love your enemy. Love ISIS, love Muslims. Respond to this if you will, how do you rationalise your views on Muslims when they are in DIRECT contradiction of your saviour.

There's a lot of stuff in the bible - like "Love your enemy". Here we go again, cherry picking what suits the current social norms. It's a a well written book in that sense, it contains so many contradictory statements and vague assertions that at any point throughout history you'll find something to agree with.

Jews think you are wrong. They insist that you worship the king (god), not the prince (jesus). If anyone has the tru holy book it'd be the jews wouldn't it, the chosen people. You're just a goy, here to serve the jews. The jews think you are wrong. The jews think they have the holy book, the Torah. I suggest you read the Torah to get true salvation.

Only shitting you mate, the bible, the torah, the koran, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 22:32 | 5112549 JLee2027
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There no need to cherrypick the Bible, it's clear that it says. There is a time and a season for everything. GOD wants you to be free and reason, not act like a spineless robot. 

Only shitting you mate, the bible, the torah, the koran, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. 

Then you condemn yourself. Goodbye.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 22:44 | 5112611 bunzbunzbunz
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Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

 

 

 (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

 

    If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

 

 

  When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.  If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.  But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.  And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter.  If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife.  If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.   (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

 

 You should not let a sorceress live.  (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

 

 

All who curse their father or mother must be put to death.  They are guilty of a capital offense.  (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

 

 They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.  (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

 

SAME BOOK BRO (I assume a "that's all old testament argument" - so are the 10 commandments. Are those invalid?) 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 22:57 | 5112666 JLee2027
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All explained by context, which you failed to include. the Bible REPORTS, it does not say it SUPPORTS.

Slavery is an action of men, sell yourself to pay off debts, or be captured in war. The Bible set rules for such events. Humane rules, if there is such a thing as owning living property.

Quoting Deuteronomy / Exodus / Leviticus, must be put into context. Written by Moses, during the 40 years of desert wandering, the Jews needed rules to live by, to stay pure, they were going to be the people who Jesus would be born into. 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 23:13 | 5112718 ZerOhead
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That is some great stuff there.

 

I like the part where Christ instructs those wishing to enter heaven to cut their penises off...

For there are eunuchs, that were so born from their mother's womb: and there are eunuchs, that were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.  (Matthew 19:12 ASV)

Although Deuteronomy tends to disagree..

 

    No one whose testicles have been crushed or whose penis has been cut off may be admitted into the community of the Lord.   (Deuteronomy 23:2 NAB)

 

I hope these guys read Deuteronomy first...

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 23:19 | 5112732 JLee2027
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Christ is talking about sexual relations outside of marriage and staying married for life in Matthew. A more correct translation from the Vatican is

 

""Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage 9 for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it.""" 

 

In Deuteronomy Community of the Lord is not heaven, as the gates of heaven weren't open until Jesus died. Again, context, Israelites in the desert, etc. 

 

That is some great stuff there.

 

Only if you twist the truth. Pretty sad actually that someone would resort to that level of lying ZeroHead.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 23:25 | 5112772 ZerOhead
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Hey... I'm just pasting what's in the bible old boy...

"For there are eunuchs, that were so born from their mother's womb: and there are eunuchs, that were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it."

for the kingdom of heaven's sake He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

To me sounds like well heaven.  

 

Sorry for the lying... whatever you think it is.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 23:26 | 5112787 JLee2027
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I'm just pasting what's in the bible old boy...

No you aren't. You are cherrypicking passages, forgetting context, and twisting what's there.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 00:14 | 5112964 ZerOhead
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So the Vatican says what I just read is not what I just read? OK.

BTW... Do they still like young boys over there or is that stuff finally finished?

 

P.S. I do like the new pope. Really.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 00:21 | 5112984 drstrangelove73
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Good for you.
He's a Marxist

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 04:39 | 5113316 Tall Tom
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Not only are you Cherry Picking writings but you are Cherry Picking translations???

 

Is that all you have? That is intellectually dishonest to do that.

 

You have exposed your character. I must write that I am impressed.

 

First the New Testament was quilled in Koine Greek.

 

Greek to English Translation is actually, like all translation, not word for word.

 

The NIV has the same passage translated as, 

 

"...because they were born this way, others have been made this way by men, and others have renounced marriage because of the Kingdom of Heaven." The one that can accept this should accept it."

 

This is not "from the Vatican".

 

However IT IS FROM THE KOINE GREEK MSS.

 

Some translations are wanting...some are better than others.

 

But the remarkable aspect is that the Greek Manuscripts are remarkably consistent.

 

To be completely upfron Matthew, Mark and Luke originated from one Manuscript, the "Q" Manuscript, so far as to my knowledge, currently unrecovered.

 

But you have no idea about what you are writing and to POSE as if you do is intellectually dishonest.

 

(I have devoted YEARS to the study...just like Issac Newton did, another Physicist, before me as well.)

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 05:30 | 5113343 medium giraffe
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If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through.   (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge!  Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD.  "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction".   (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.  Such evil must be purged from Israel.  (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death.  (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.  (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword.  Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes.  Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes.  For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off.  The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows.  They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.  (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

 

Oh yeah, real nice.  And you actually believe this shit?  Really?

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 05:51 | 5113355 JLee2027
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Yes, everyone should believe this "shit". Especially when you apply context and not cherrypick pieces to suit your agenda. For example Zechariah/Jeremiah and the Isaiah quote are books of prophecy, starting with "IF" happening on the day of the Lord when he unleases his vengeance.

That day will come. Be prepared.

Deuteronomy / Exodus / Leviticus I've already addressed. Rules for the Israelites in the desert.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 06:05 | 5113369 medium giraffe
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Cherry pick?! So what do we do, ignore all of the rape and murder until we can find some positive spin? (good fucking luck with that one).

So your omnipotent and omniscient god allows child rape, child prostitution, murder, slavery etc etc, because it's part of some grand plan.  And you're ok with this? So you support and advocate child rape?  Nice.  What an amazing human being you must be.

And what about the devil?  That guy is evil right? But he's punishing sinners in hell, so he's doing god's work?  Seems confusing.

And the bit you're looking forward to is the part where the child murdering and raping starts in ernest, yes?

Sounds great! Where do I sign up?!

Ffs, you don't even know what the Bible is, yet you blindly follow the stories created to confuse the sheeple and obscure the true understanding of the text.  Outstanding!  Congratulations on your hate filled murderous iron age desert tribe creation myth beliefs - exactly what the world needs more of right now dontcha think?

 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 07:00 | 5113424 JLee2027
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Yes, cherrypick! Of course you have! You pull one sentence that needs the two prior pages to read to understand it!  You grab random quotes and forget to tell people this is what WILL HAPPEN on the day of the Lord's Wrath - in the future - to sinners and those that refuse to repent. 

So your omnipotent and omniscient god allows child rape, child prostitution, murder, slavery etc etc, because it's part of some grand plan.

Total garbage. Same mistake as the other posters. Blaming GOD for the actions of men. SIN without repentance = DEATH. What part of that cannot you comprehend? 

Bottom line is you just make excuses with phony moral outrage - (kind of hilarious, based on what morality? Your own of course) -  so you can feel free to live an immoral and ungodly life, setting your own rules as you see fit as to what is right and wrong. And refusing to accept any consequences from your Creator about your actions.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 07:08 | 5113441 medium giraffe
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Must have hit a nerve. 

It's very simple - God is all powerful. God can stop child rape if he chooses to.  He chooses not to.  This is unacceptable to me, but clearly ok with you.  You've just forfeited the moral high ground.  

I'm not sure how one takes advocation of rape 'out of context'. 

'DEATH' - yes, your little death cult does love throwing that word about.

 

 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 07:20 | 5113455 JLee2027
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It's very simple - God is all powerful. God can stop child rape if he chooses to.  He chooses not to.  This is unacceptable to me, but clearly ok with you.  You've just forfeited the moral high ground.  

Atheists have no moral base, so you have no morals to stand on.

The Lord gave everyone free will. Evil comes from men. This is what you cannot accept. GOD wants people to choose him freely, not by force. 

http://www.gotquestions.org/God-allow-evil.html

And by your rejection, you are the death bringer, not GOD.


Tue, 08/19/2014 - 07:31 | 5113476 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Why does god want us to choose him?

Is he insecure? Isn't being infinitely powerful enough? Does he need the platitudes of a grovelling human being to give him worth?

Sillyness beyond imagination.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 06:13 | 5113381 Tall Tom
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A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.  (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

 

What is fornication? That word is not in the Bible. You cannot have sex outside of Marriage without is being adultery. Sex is marriage.

 

So first off what does it mean? Levi Priests were the only ones clean enough to be worthy of entering into the temple.

 

If a Priest's daughter DEFILES HERSELF by becoming a PROSTITUTE, a Temple PROSTITUTE, well that is Blasphemy. Blasphemers were routinely put to death.

 

But you do not even know that the word translated as "Fornication", from the Greek Septuagint, porneia (the root word of PORNography), means "to sell one's body for sexual pleasure" because you refuse to take the time to seek out the truth.

 

(And to think that I actually got kicked out of church for saying "gamizo", the Greek Word translated as "marriage" but really meaning "FUCK"...the most vulgar term for the sexual act??? But you do not know that either...How lame. Again you will not take the time to find out the truth. He who seeks it will find it...usually more than one can handle. I still get a good laugh at that.)

 

As for the rest...Yeah. I believe it and I know why it was done.

 

Israel was chosen to breed the Christ which would allow for man's redemption. The Christ was genetically perfect. He was created in a body which does not die...even when crucified. It is incorruptable.

 

That was the entire goal. It is all about Christ...redemption and salvation.

 

Yahweh did anything and everything to breed that body.

 

Yes I agree with it. All those killed will live Eternal Lives as, in the end, ALL ISRAEL WILL BE SAVED. That means the seed of Jacob as Jacob and Israel are one and the same.

 

There is much that you do not understand.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 06:46 | 5113397 medium giraffe
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"Sex is marriage."

Honestly, is there no absurdity to which a Christian will not stoop in order to defend his death cult?

It's about redemption you say - in other words, it's about setting us all up for a fall, then making work our arses off in order to make up for some fault not of our own personal making. 

And you too sound like a believer in the 'grand plan', thus yet another advocate of child rape and child murder.  It's sickening.

There is much I do not understand?  You've wasted your time following the stories all of these years, without understanding the occult mysteries codified within. 

Secrets for the goats, stories for the sheep...

 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 07:04 | 5113436 JLee2027
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Atheism, the refusal of GOD is the death cult. That is your source for child rape and murder, and your foolish phony moral outrage.

 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 07:50 | 5113506 medium giraffe
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No, I don't agree with child rape, but your precious god isn't lifting a finger to stop it and yet you love him for it. 

Btw, why is your silly Abrahamic death cult book polytheistic in the old testament, then monotheistic in the new?  Plot hole?

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 09:32 | 5113924 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Why did god need to rest on the seventh day? Doesn't sound infinitely powerful to me. If everyone was killed in the great flood except Noah and his family are we descended from Adam and Eve or Noah and his wife? How did Noah get all Australians marsupials on hos ark. I was debating with a colleague the other day about Noah's ark and he did, without a doubt, believed the story literally. I pressed him on how did the animals from other continents get onto the ark and he essentially was invoking magic, he said that god is powerful and he could make it happen.

This is where it gets real fascinating that the human mind can contort reality so blatantly to ensure it fits their internal model of the universe.

 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 09:43 | 5113982 medium giraffe
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It's beyond my comprehension why otherwise intelligent people believe in such obvious absurdity.

The only reason to be moral is to avoid punishment and gain some self indulgent reward? (rather than just being a decent human being)

God loves his children, but wont hesitate to send them to an eternal concentration camp for torture and justice if they question him?

Newborn babies are tainted with sin?

Child rape is fine as long as it's part of the 'big plan'?

 

Religion is vile, a mental sickness born of cowardice and fear.

 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 12:17 | 5114842 Abaco
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No doubt it is beyond your comprehension. Your juvenile attempts to demonstrate knowledge of the bible indicate that your ability to comprehend what you read is severely retarded.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 00:22 | 5112994 drstrangelove73
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Is it possible He means CONTINENCE?
Naw,that's too big a word...

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 23:38 | 5112797 Tall Tom
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First off it demonstrates your ignorance of the Bible to claim that the "Ten Commandments" were commandments at all.

 

The New Testament is quilled in Koine Greek. In Koine Greek there are FORTY TWO DIFFERENT COMMAND VERBS.

 

But when the "commands" were quoted in Koine Greek, Jesus answered by NOT choosing any one of those FORTY TWO COMMAND VERBS.

 

"You will be loving your God with all of your heart", and, "You will be loving your neighbor as yourself", along with the rest of the Ten...ARE NOT COMMANDS. The word, "will", mistranslated as "shall", is NOT A COMMAND.

 

It is Simple Future Indicative...a PREDICTION.

 

In fact the Messiah, Jesus Christ, fulfilled EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE PROPHECIES.

 

The Old Testament...What is a Testament? Is it a COVENANT?

 

What is a COVENANT? Isn't that a CONTRACT, a Contract of LAW, a promise to be fulfilled?

 

The Messiah is that promise fulfilled. That is what the ENTIRE OLD TESTAMENT is about. They are told, by Yahweh, that if they are FAITHFUL, then Yahweh will perform His part of the Contract.

 

And He did. He was faithful. It is CONTRACT LAW. The Contract has been fulfilled. The Blood Sacrifice has already been PAID IN FULL.

 

Now most are just too blind to accept the Gift. And that is what is truly tragic.

 

With that now let us look at one of your quotes...

 

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.  (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

 

If you do not accept the Gift of Eternal Life...YOU ARE DEAD.

 

As for the Israelites before Jesus? They have PROVISION.

 

ALL ISRAEL WILL BE SAVED. Any of them put to death, under that Law, because of the LACK OF UNDERSTANDING by the LEVI PRIESTS OR JUDGES, WILL STILL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE.

 

They are under that Covenant, that CONTRACT, which they entered into.

 

Romans 11:25-29 states

 

25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery, lest you be wise in your own estimation, that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26 and thus all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, "THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB." 27 "AND THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM, WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS." 28 From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; 29 for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

 

AN IRREVOCABLE CONTRACT, which Yahweh has made, will not return void.

 

Just because you do not understand the CONTRACT does not mean that it is invalid. Try going to court, today, with that as an excuse and let the Judge laugh at you when he dismisses your action.

 

Try this, especially, when it is Yahweh who sits as the Judge. I will not want to be in your shoes...

 

As for me I will take the free gift of mercy and forgiveness. That is my hope.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 00:18 | 5112916 The_Prisoner
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Hey braheim! That's why I converted to Judaism, the choseness.

BTW I have a practical question. How long after converting to Judaism one becomes resistant to radiation? I'm thinking of planning a skiing trip to Japan this winter. The scales on my back are already growing.

L'heim.

The Prisonerstein

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 00:21 | 5112978 ZerOhead
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I'm thinking that if I was forced at gunpoint to choose amongst the 3 Abrahamic religions I would have to go with Judaism as well.

It also certainly improves the childrens chances of not becoming complete sheep.

 

~ Emmanuel Platinumbergstein

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 00:56 | 5113019 The_Prisoner
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Met Larry Silverstein at Frank Lowy's house couple of weeks ago. He tipped me off on a nice real-estate deal in Ferguson.
Things are certainly going great. Even though these scales are a bit itchy.

Shlomo Prisonerberg

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 04:14 | 5113294 Tall Tom
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When the Bible is commenting about Israel it is referring to the seed of Jacob

 

It means that if you are PHYSICALLY RELATED then you will be saved.

 

Now you can practice Judaism all that you want.

 

But if you are not a Blood Relative then practicing the Judaic Law will actually serve to condemn you.

 

You had best read Romans Chapters 5-8

 

You will find that the Law brings condemnation whereas the Grace of God brings Salvation.

 

Bad choice.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 04:54 | 5113323 cahadjis
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You believe all that right? This is a serious question - you do believe that it's not bad and good humans acting anyway like they would, instead it's some books and preachings that define morality? If it weren't for these books we'd all be killing each other? Serious question.....

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 05:43 | 5113352 Tall Tom
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Yes I do believe that. I would not have taken the time to write that which I do not believe. I am not promoting that which I believe to be a lie. For what reason or for what purpose will that serve?

 

As for morality it is codified when authored.

 

It was considered that one was immoral in Ancient Greece if one did not have sexual relations with one's own Grandson. If one did not Sodomize his Grandson then he was considered to be immoral by his community.

 

Pederasty was an expected moral behavior in Ancient Greece.

 

It gets even worse. There were many wars fought over many lands. Even before the advent of the Agricultural Age there is archeaological evidence of outright theft and wars between neighboring tribes. The Stone Age implements of hunting were turned against fellow Humans.

 

You can bet that for the small social tribes to exist cohesively that there had to be a codified set of rules with banishment or death (same result in most cases) for the violation of the Social Constructs. (No. I am not a believer in the 6000 Year Old World. The Empirical Evidence contradicts that assumption.)

 

As socities entered into the Agricultural Age and progressed into the Bronze Age followed by the Iron Age  the division of Labor increased. Likewise property laws began to be instituted by the Alpha Leaders and that meant more complex laws were needed to govern the masses.

 

Still many atrocities happened with mass genocides occurring as a result. Even the recorded History of the Old Testament is evident of this happenstance.

 

Now I can direct you to a book penned by the well known atheist, Friedrich Nietzsche, titled "Beyond Good and Evil" where he makes the suggestion that those constructs are needless and are better abandoned.

 

Humans act as animals and the veneer of Civilization is extremely thin. Abandoning the construct of morality will only advance the Darwinian Principles that the strong survive and the weak perish, as it currently happens within the rest of the Animal Kingdom.

 

It has only been possible through the set of Moral Constructs that we, as a species, have advanced this far and have achieved the height of civilization that we enjoy today. The Morality of a Society, I believe, is directly proportional to the advancement that the society can acheive.

 

Without the codified Moral Construct, combined with a lack of enforcement of the laws upon ALL, ultimately will lead to the deconstruction, devolution, and corresponding collapse of civilization. That is what we seem to be experiencing at present.

 

I am not your typical Christian and I have given this topic deep thought and contemplation. I have barely scratched the surface in this answer.

 

I hope that it is serious enough for you.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 09:52 | 5114012 BringOnTheAsteroid
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If there are other highly advanced civilisations in the universe and they have absolutely no concept of jesus or holy books or theism, full stop, yet they display ethics and morals far beyond human accomplishment, what are your thoughts then?

I'm still perplexed at the obsession with these books. I can't get beyond this. They were written by humans. Humans are notoriously untrustworthy. I liken it to a drug addict who blindly trust criminals to manufacture the drug they then ingest (there simply is no depth to human stupidity - no offence to all you dumb fucks here who take hard drugs).

You are basing your entire belief system on stuff other people have written and you know damn well how stupid people are. It doesn't add up TT. It doesn't make sense. I understand more when people claim god is all the forces in the universe from electromagnetic, gravity and strong and weak nuclear forces. This I at least get because they've drawn their own conclusion at what may constitute an infintely powerful thing.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 11:52 | 5114714 Tall Tom
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Answer to your first question...

 

Show me the Empirical Evidence that such a civilization exists.

 

Other than that you are SPECULATING.

 

I do have Empirical Evidence from the Archaological Record as to what Humans do to one another.

 

I do have Empirical Evidence as to the principle of the Survival of the Fittest.

 

There is no speculation.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 18:42 | 5117128 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Of course it's speculation regarding other civilisations, but you have to admit, bloody instructive speculation.

I assume you can't even entertain the notion for the sake of argument because by doing so you are, but even for a moment, relinquishing your desperately guarded world view.

That's a fundamental difference between you and I. I will readily accept my world view is wrong given satisfactory evidence. In fact I readily admit that I haven't got a clue why we are here or what caused all this.

Can you even imagine you might be wrong?

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 00:19 | 5112974 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Do you really think being subservient to a dominant being, for eternity, is good?

Do you really think having your future determined by a dominant being is good?

What you guys are preaching is not love or forgiveness, it is servitude, eternal servitude. It's a primitive desire to bow and scrape at the foot of a king.

You guys will be sharing heaven presumably with ISIS and muslims and mass murderers and despots and psychopaths and Hindues and Buddhists because if these bible stories are true and you emerge from death in a conscious state at the peraly gates, of course everyone is going to repent because finally there will be hard evidence god exists. If this happens I intend to have a chat to god about his methods and tell him that they suck. I'll tell him to get the hell down there or make a big face in the sky or doing bloody something to stop people tearing themselves apart.

It's all fantasy though because the more it gets discussed the sillier seem to be the claims. 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 04:00 | 5113278 Tall Tom
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Freedom and Liberty is what is taught in the New Covenant.

 

I am free from the Law and the Bondage of Sin.

 

Let me ask you a question...

 

Do you love your wife? (Shit...Reminds me of the question Andy asked the Head Guard in the Shankshaw Redemption...)

 

Why do you do things for your wife? Are you in bondage to her? Does she dominate you?

 

Are you dominant over her? (Actually I hope so.)

 

But why does she do what she does for you? What if she chose not to love you and told you to get lost?

 

She does what she does in order to please you because she loves you. It is not by your dictates...I hope.

 

What you do not understand is that my behaviors are not at the Dictates of some malevolent being. It is not done begrudgingly.

 

I do what I do because I want to please my Father in Heaven. That is what people who love do for the ones that they love.

 

It is not done because I fear eternal punishment. The ransom has been paid in full. I am free at last. Thank God I am free at last.

 

It is done in gratitude for the payment of the ransom which has freed me.

 

When you read the Book it is as if you have read about condemnation and damnation.

 

It is actually funny because those same words talk to me of the redemption and the salvation offered as a free gift.

 

Therefore I fear not dying and am free of the fear which you dread. It truly is liberating.

 

I guess that the way that it is understood is just a reflection of that which is within. Yours is darkness whereas mine is enlightenment.

 

I am really sorry that you do not seem to understand this. It is rather sad.

 

The Word is truly a Double Eged Sword.

 

Many people have contorted the Word to garner that which they desire. But just because the people are corrupted does not mean that God is corrupted.

 

My God is good all of the time.

 

No my Heaven will not be shared with those wolves in sheep's clothing whom have corrupted His words to bring about malevolence.

 

Even I will not deserve Heaven as I am flawed and a sinner. Those ISIS have not taken on Christ. They seek war and not peace. They do not exhibit and fruit of nourishment but only offer up death and destruction. No. There place will be in the pit of Hell.

 

Fortunately I have Christ who paid the price in one sacrifice on a Cross some two thousand years ago. Without that I am damned. For me the path is through Him.

 

As for the Hard Evidence of God's Existence I give you the Physical Universe and the rules of Mathematics.

 

I have laid that out for you before.

 

My Physics is solid and, after all, I am an Empiricist.

 

Yet you have chosen to ignore it. That is your choice to bet upon Orders of Magnitudes less than that of an absurdity.

 

But you have rejected the Mathematics. You have rejected that which is rational. You have rejected the Empirical. You have chosen to remain blind. That is what is sad.

 

They will not let you in when you already have been given the chance and rejected it.

 

As for those whom have not been given the opportunity...I DO NOT KNOW. My bet is that they will accept the gift in the end.

 

But for YOU I do know. You have already been given the Empirical Evidence and you rejected it. THAT WAS YOUR CHOICE. YOU HAVE REJECTED THE FREE GIFT OFFERED.

 

"Some have entertained Angels unknowingly"

 

YOU ARE PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR DECISIONS and you will have an ETERNITY TO OWN IT.

 

Now I will not make that choice.

 

But there is Free Will and you are free to choose.

 

Man I love Freedom and Liberty.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 09:55 | 5113437 BringOnTheAsteroid
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You're a decent chap TT. We are poles apart and never the twain shall meet in terms of our views on the origin of the universe, but then you'd be poles apart with many Christians too, such is the comedy of our predicament.

I think you need to refine your definition of 'evidence'. You are doing the English language a gross disservice calling mathematics evidence of god. You are a well educated and intelligent bloke and I'd expect you to have the insight that mathematics is no more the evidence of god as evolution is evidence of the absence of god. There is no DIRECT evidence, what you have stated is pure supposition.

Yet again you highlight the infinitely improbable (as you state) likelihood of the universe emerging from chance yet somehow are comfortable that an infinitely powerful being did. Can you run some stats on the likelihood of god appearing from nothing. I know the escape from jail card you'll play, god always existed. I'm not sure how much further removed from evidence you could possibly get with such a view.

Why do I do what I do for my partner (not married by the way, can't stand rituals) and the animals we rescue and foster. Because there is indefinable joy at seeing another being happy. That is it, there's nothing else. A bird we picked up several years ago was hours from death. It had a broken wing and was starving to death. It took weeks to drip feed the thing until it recovered into a healthy animal, albeit with a broken wing. If you could see the joy this animal has at just existing, just seeing the sun in the morning, it's magic. Absolute magic. Happiness is good, because that it the way we have evolved. To me, this isn't complicated. I live my life with not a wit of consideration for any god, or for the stories of Jesus or Mohammed or Yahweh or Moses or any of that stuff. If god exists in some other dimension then good luck to him, I am absolutely satisfied that life is temporary and justice is not dished out evenly. I will never know what, why, or how any of this came about. I wish you well TT, always interesting conversing with you.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 00:20 | 5112980 drstrangelove73
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Amen

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 23:57 | 5112902 dasein211
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Bullshit. The crusades went well beyond the land they controlled originally. Constantine didn't control the whole of Europe before. Not did he contr lands all the way past Iran/Persia. They were going as far as they could go. And your forgetting Columbus, Amerigo Vespucci and a whole host of conquistadors that conquered in the name of Christianity. And according to Talmudic law, the priests ARE serving the commandments of god: they are the ones who decide what god wants. That's how it's been for millennia. Remember god commanded Saul to kill everyone and he left the king and some farm animals alive and fell out of favor with god. Whether god commanded him to kill all the women and children of the priest functioning as gods messenger the MESSAGE was clear. You can play and bounce around the words all you want but the message is what mattered. No one at the time was confused of the context. Talk about picking and choosing. The very idea of the original substance if Christ was even in doubt and led the the original schism- whether Christ wa homoousios or homoiousios. One and the same substance or just merely a chosen one. The shroud of Turin has already been shown that it could have been faked with the technology of the time and has been replicated. There is scant archaeological evidence for David as he may have existed at the time and the earliest non Christian references to Jesus were Pliny the elder and Josephus. Neither were contemporaries and one may have been interpolated at a later time. I can go on and on.... It's a myth. Even in the New Testament is says "not a generation shall pass" before you see christs return. Play semantics/context all you want. It is what it says.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 00:29 | 5112976 JLee2027
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The crusades went well beyond the land they controlled originally.

Incorrect. 

They were going as far as they could go

No, they weren't.

And your forgetting Columbus, Amerigo Vespucci and a whole host of conquistadors that conquered in the name of Christianity.

Wasn't endorsed by the Bible. You're like oddjob, blaming men and claiming that is the religion. It is not the religion to go "conquer people", those are the actions of men.

And according to Talmudic law,

That's not the Bible. Here we are talking about Christianity, and you raise Jewish law?

Remember god commanded Saul to kill everyone and he left the king and some farm animals alive and fell out of favor with god.

Which, the Old Testament does a nice job of explaining why. Try reading it.

The shroud of Turin has already been shown that it could have been faked with the technology of the time and has been replicated.

No, it hasn't. We cannot replicate it even today. We have no idea how to make the image or make it 3D.

earliest non Christian references to Jesus were Pliny the elder and Josephus. Neither were contemporaries and one may have been interpolated at a later time. I can go on and on.... It's a myth.

And letters to Rome from Ponius Pilate describing his first meeting with him. Jesus existed, that debate is over.

Even in the New Testament is says "not a generation shall pass" before you see christs return.

The New testament says Jesus didn't know when he would return. You've twisted again. Mark 24:34 from the Vatican.

Amen, I say to you, this generation 20 will not pass away until all these things have taken place. (context!!)

35

Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.

36

 

21 "But of that day and hour no one knows (when I return), neither the angels of heaven, nor the Son, 22 but the Father alone.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 22:19 | 5112500 JLee2027
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Love your enemy JLee, this is what gods wants from you. This means loving ISIS.

Not so. Hate and reject sin, but not the sinner. GOD loves all those he condemns, but he still condemns them for sin and failure to repent.

 

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