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National Guard Sent To Ferguson After Night Of "Molotov Cocktails, Shootings, Looting And Vandalism "

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After three consecutive days of rioting and looting in Ferguson, MO, despite a second night of curfews which was honored by few if any, Missouri's governor said on Monday he would send the National Guard into the violent suburb to "restore calm" after authorities forcibly dispersed yet another crowd overnight.  Gov. Jay Nixon signed an executive order deploying the U.S. state militia, saying demonstrators had thrown Molotov cocktails and shot at police as well as a civilian, a description of the night's events diverging widely from some eyewitness accounts.

“Tonight, a day of hope, prayers, and peaceful protests was marred by the violent criminal acts of an organized and growing number of individuals, many from outside the community and state, whose actions are putting the residents and businesses of Ferguson at risk," Nixon said in a statement on his website.

As we reported overnight, around dusk on Sunday, hundreds of protesters in Ferguson including families with young children fled to safety after police wearing gas masks and body armor fired tear gas and smoke canisters to scatter them hours ahead of the curfew.

Reuters cites a protester who said that "The smoke bombs were completely unprovoked," said Anthony Ellis, 45. "It (the protest) was led by kids on bikes. Next you know they're saying, 'Go home, Go home!'" Of course, one could say the gunshots that led to injured people were also unprovoked but that is merely in the realm of the rational, something the Ferguson situation has long gone beyond.

The Missouri Highway Patrol said "aggressors" were trying to infiltrate a law enforcement command post and that armored vehicles were deployed to ensure public safety. "We ordered them back. We ordered them back again. After several attempts, we utilized the smoke to disperse these individuals," said Highway Patrol Corporal Justin Wheetley. State Highway Patrol Captain Ron Johnson told a late night news briefing: "Molotov cocktails were thrown, there were shootings, looting, vandalism and other acts of violence that clearly appear not to have been spontaneous."

He was explaining the police tactics against what he said had to that point been a peaceful demonstration.

"Coordinated acts" by a few in the crowd were "premeditated criminal acts designed ... to provoke a response," Johnson said. "I had no alternative but to elevate the level of our response." He noted most of the protesters were peaceful and blamed the trouble on "a few people bent on violence and destruction."

Johnson said the trouble began after police responded to the shooting of a civilian at 8.25 p.m., which was followed by gunfire directed towards police and Molotov cocktails being thrown. At least one other person was shot, and several were arrested. No police were injured.

One wonders, considering that virtually every provocation in the international arena in 2014 has been premediated and choreographed, usually by the intelligence forces of this superpower or that, whether the same applies to Ferguson, and whether this push to impose an even more active, blanket weaponized police presence in backwater "violent" US towns is all part of a bigger scheme to make already massive government even bigger?

The biggest winner, however, from last night's events: children. Officials said Ferguson schools would be closed on Monday.


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Mon, 08/18/2014 - 07:47 | 5107894 PR Guy
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With a military police on the scene, always be aware that Death walks just behind you:


Mon, 08/18/2014 - 07:49 | 5107905 philipat
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And so, begins?

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 07:53 | 5107915 Latina Lover
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So now we understand why Obama left Martha's Vineyard early..... it was to organize chaos and help launch the democratic election campaign.


Never let a good crisis go to waste.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 07:56 | 5107921 GetZeeGold
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The Weekend Warriors will bring order out of chaos.


We're not crazy.....we won't give them any ammo for their M-16s.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:15 | 5107999 wallstreetapost...
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Meanwhile in southampton...  those around me are getting ready to loot and riot because helicopter service back to city is delayed...

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:17 | 5108007 Squid-puppets a...
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riot is the language of the unheard

Martin Luther King

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:26 | 5108028 LawsofPhysics
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Correct.  Time and resources are a precious gift, pull out all the law enforcement people and shut off all government assistance and let these fuckers burn themselves to the ground.  Let them reap what they have sown.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:31 | 5108047 greatbeard
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>> shut off all government assistance and let these fuckers burn themselves to the ground.

The bankers and the military industrial complex too?

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:40 | 5108071 drdolittle
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Ah, yeah. This is ZH not huffpost.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:48 | 5108096 Keyser
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Somehow this will all turn out to be Bush's fault... 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:57 | 5108128 TeamDepends
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Brand new Army manual green lights lethal force against protesters, even peaceful ones.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:05 | 5108168 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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The same idiots begging for police state tactics to bring about “peace” are the same idiots who have been willfully blind to racial differences... ...and will continue to be if/when this passes. The businesses in and around Ferguson aren't innocent. You make most of your profit selling alcohol, tobacco and junk food for EBT cards? Then man up and deal with consequences.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:16 | 5108207 Bendromeda Strain
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Oh please - FOADIAF - I heard that "it's the Koreans fault" shit during Rodney King. What, getting free money takes away your choice as well as your responsibility? The smart one are "manning up" shithead, with Kalashnikovs and Armalites. Just like the Koreans.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:26 | 5108227 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Hey fuck-head. They do business in the middle of those hellholes by choice. It's called risk. They want to defend their businesses? Good for them. They sit and beg for police state tactics? We have a problem.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:41 | 5108272 Headbanger
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This bullshit story is all over now cause of this:

Hope all you liberal fuck balls enjoyed the shit show!

Looks like the liberal MSM has only made things worse for the black communities  by inflaming them about this shooting.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:44 | 5108332 BaBaBouy
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Looks Like That Black Traffic COP Is No Better Than The Initial Forces...

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:56 | 5108404 Save_America1st
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this is least a small bit of humor out of something so fucked up.

Huff Post, eh hem, "reporter", thought foam ear plugs were rubber bullets.

check the reply from someone who posted a pic of a 9 volt battery asking the Huff Post guy if it might be a taser. LOL 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 10:22 | 5108533 MillionDollarBogus_
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Tyler, Sir, your Operation Mayhem is proceeding as planned.

The McDonald's looting was a mistake.

A few folks didn't realize they were destroying the source of their favorite food.

Carry on...

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 21:22 | 5112188 StychoKiller
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Pretty sure that very few notice skin color when you're wearing a blue/green uniform and carrying weapons.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 10:23 | 5108542 greatbeard
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>> the liberal MSM

What a gullable schmuck.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:38 | 5108297 bob_stl
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The problem is that the cops, and politicians like Nixon and county prosecutor McCulloch aren't communicating with these people correctly, and they're confronting and disperssing crowds that aren't looting. We also have the black MHP captain stirring up the anger of the crowds during the day by giving speeches on behalf of the protesters, and then ordering to teargas them in the evening. They should be telling these protesters that they have a right to protest, but not to loot, and looters will be shot. Those businesses are paying taxes to have their businesses protected. Though the facts arent' out, I have some sympathy with the concerns of the protesters, but I couldn't give a rats ass if looters were being shot.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:47 | 5108323 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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In a chaotic situation like that it is hard to determine looters from protesters. WHICH IS WHY, the business owners are best able to deter looting. They can sit in their business and shoot anyone who breaks in.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:53 | 5108385 bob_stl
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Protesters are in the street with their hands up, looters are breaking windows and going into businesses.

Some of the store owners are doing that, but the cops are confronting protesters by blocking off the whole street. It wouldn't be that hard for them to announce their intentions of protecting the businesses, putting manpower in the parking lots and taking out the first idiots that break into a business. That will send a clear message to looters that they are taking their own chances.

The "authorities" (note quotes) have misjudged this whole thing from the very beginning. Not only have they not repaired the original damage done to their credibility, but they have now made it worse.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:11 | 5108194 Bendromeda Strain
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Um, yeah. Military legal seminars teach folks from around the world when it is okey doke to fire on the starving peeps trying to breach the wire around their installations. SHTF will be internationally ugly... love, Uncle Sam.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 12:13 | 5109141 RaceToTheBottom
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They all could have been Obama's kids.  Prolific guy...

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:48 | 5108104 MalteseFalcon
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Who are the rioters?  Who are throwing molotov cocktails?  So-called libertarians are so easily fooled when the topic is "trigger happy negroes".  Beliefs and common sense are quickly abandoned and "law and order" at all costs is embraced. 

The issue is the militarization of the police and their contempt for citizens of all colors.  Is there a race problem in this country?  Yes.

You are given two choices to deal with the problem: militarized police or a completely unfettered FSA.  THESE ARE NOT THE ONLY CHOICES.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:53 | 5108119 Borrow Owl
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It's pretty obvious that the word 'libertarian' doesn't mean what you think it means.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:59 | 5108143 lunaticfringe
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Yea Falcon you might wanna drag your dictionary out and look at the word libertarian before popping off at the beak.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:12 | 5108186 MalteseFalcon
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LOL.  Just keep in mind that rights denied to any class of citizens are denied to all eventually.

You guys sound like tools to me.  Answer the question.  Who are the rioters?

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:19 | 5108223 Bendromeda Strain
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Look at the pictures asshole - answer your own question. The correct question is "who are the protesters, and what do they actually want?" That my friend, is the only valid question, imo.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:35 | 5108283 PrintemDano
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The rioters are the North American Pavement Apes.

Why they are "protesting" is beyond me.  The thug was charging the cops, see the audio/video taken right after it happened from an eyewitness, this matches up perfectly with the autopsy showing he was shot in the front, not the back as leftist tools inexplicably believed.  

Why aren't they rioting in Chicago, 7 blacks shot dead by other blacks this weekend.  29 blacks  Wounded by other blacks this weekend.....strange....

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:44 | 5108333 Calmyourself
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Don't bother facts bounce off these tools like water off a duck..

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 12:25 | 5109191 MalteseFalcon
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Boiler room is working overtime on this issue.  I must have hit a chord.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 10:12 | 5108480 Keyser
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Typical liberal bullshit... Man up, take responsibility for your life and actions... That is what 99.5% of blacks do not do... No, they would rather live on the government tit because they are too fucking lazy and ignorant to work their way out of their plight... Everyone else does it, why not blacks? 


Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:23 | 5108246 unrulian
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The chumps acting ill because they're so full of "Eight Ball"
Gunshots ranged out like a bell
I grabbed my nine – All I heard were shells
Falling on the concrete real fast
Jumped in my car, slammed on the gas
Bumper to bumper, the avenue's packed
I'm trying to get away before the jackers jack
Police on the scene, You know what I mean
They passed me up, confronted all the dope fiends
If there was a problem, Yo, I'll solve it...

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:55 | 5108402 swmnguy
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Very rarely do I have the opportunity to upvote a Vanilla Ice sample.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:43 | 5108080 LawsofPhysics
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What part of all don't you understand?

Hey, at least this would be one community with a truly "free" market.

As my liberal friends say, I am an equal opportunity "hater".

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:48 | 5108099 greatbeard
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>> I am an equal opportunity "hater".

That was a bit of tounge in cheek that didn't come out right.  I know where you stand.



Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:59 | 5108137 dontgoforit
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A year ago, my wife, our nine-year old grandson and I walked all around St. Louis.  Did all the touristy stuff, the arch, the museums, the trolly tour and the Delmar Loop.  I have to say the Missouri Atheletic Club was very nice and reasonably priced.  All of this was on the way back home from a 'grand' tour of the Dakota territory, Montana, Wyoming, Yellowstone, etc.  When we got out of the car at the Delmar Loop in St. Louis, I remember commenting to the missus that I felt an odd uneasiness about the place.  Like danger was close.  The people on the street seemed to have a lack of happiness in their eyes and that anything could happen at any time.  She said she felt it, too.  We walked the entire loop, looking at all the stars of fame in the sidewalk.  It was very interesting; however, there was that underlying feeling of something bad about to happen.  Now, a year later we see that this little suburb of St. Louis, Ferguson, is breaking down. 

Notable that the projects were the site of the incident that began this chain of events and that the FSA seems to be on a rampage.  One can only assume that appeasement of the FSA will never be enough.  Their thirst will not be quenched until they've upended the entire table of civilization and put in its place chaos.  What motive for this, I wonder?  And they seem to blame everyone else for their own failures instead of trying to make a better life for themselves and their families.  They claim they aren't given equal opportunity in education or anything else.  They blame racism yet they prove racism to be a good survival tactic (white flight).  Where are their leaders who tell them the humble truth, that they themselves bring destruction and dissolution upon themselves by their actions and their bad choices? 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:15 | 5108204 Arius
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exactly! great analysis ... thats the problem with new graduates also ... they expect everything on a silver plater to them like they were born leaders or smt like that ...

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:40 | 5108290 HardAssets
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The FSA is created for a reason. Schools turn out dumbed down students who know nothing of history or critical thinking skills for a reason. Though unemployment is high in this country, the whores in government seek to open the borders to more members of a new FSA for a reason. Cameras have been installed at intersections througout the country for a reason. And police have been militarized and Posse Comitatus shredded for a reason.

When bank accounts have been 'bailed in' and thousands of the newly impoverished are on the streets (of all colors) . . . . maybe people will figure it out.

Sieg Heil to the new America.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 10:13 | 5108481 bob_stl
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Your uneasiness has nothing to do with the current situation. Nor does it have anything to do with entitlement. Ferguson is 70% black and the police force is 94% white. Regardless of the facts, since no facts have been presented by the police or county prosecutor, rightly or wrongly these people who see only white cops believe that a black kid was needlessly killed, and that the police are covering it up.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 21:33 | 5112240 StychoKiller
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The police are doing nothing to alleviate the situation.  They fight against wearing webcams, they support laws that shield them from righteous prosecution, they react with more force than necessary, illegal chokeholds are deployed, trigger-happy thugs are protected by the blue wall of silence; need I go on?

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 10:17 | 5108508 Keyser
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Their leaders are too busy inciting them to riot, because they have been surpressed for hundreds of years by the white man... I know, old mantra, but the undertones are still there.... Just listen to Obama, Sharpton and Jackson... 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 21:34 | 5112248 StychoKiller
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Someone needs to bitchslap Sharpton's irrelevant, nappy haid!  Just WHO appointed this clandestine FBI informant as a spokesman for ALL Black-Americans?  Same goes for Jesse Jackson.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 10:42 | 5108616 Kinskian
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"The conclusion then is that blacks have withdrawn their consent from policing, which would only be news to the eternally dense Williamson, since blacks long ago embraced crime as a political response to white Americans. The police in black areas are an occupation army, as blacks no longer consider themselves part of the American nation. If your response to the shooting of a convicted felon caught fleeing from a strong-armed robbery is to riot, then you are not part of the commonweal."

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:28 | 5108263 PrintemDano
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Moot.  This article is about the savages in Mo......

BTW 7 blacks shot dead, 29 blacks wounded in Chicago this weekend...shot by other blacks.....outrage about the dead "children" in 3....2....1....

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:57 | 5108126 general ambivalent
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Well at least you are being honest that the free market is just automatic genocide.

Let the comments here be a lesson for everyone. The libertarians and Third Republic agitators simply want their own Manifest Destiny and system of slaves.

Fuck capitalism, nothing but a wasteland.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:08 | 5108176 LawsofPhysics
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No, "isms" are tools used on morons.  Let me be clear; there is no, nor will there ever be a political, fiscal, economic, or monetary solution to resource scarcity.

There simply is no society without individual responsibility, period.  Real change/innovation comes from the careful deployment/investment of the resources at your disposal, period.

Grow a pair loser and recognize that change comes from within.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:43 | 5108325 BobPaulson
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The key to being civilized is trust. Without it we are apes. Once external forces, the government, the second law of thermodynamics or bad fortune undermine this, it is hell to rebuild. Brick by brick that confidence in the unseen person you don't know is bloody hard to get back.

Right now I am in some of the most overcrowded cities in Asia, and I can see where people trust the "system", they are civilized, when they don't, it is like rats in an overcrowded nest.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 10:17 | 5108492 Zigs
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And, nothing destroys trust more than hypocrisy . . . and right now, America is full of it.  The hopes and dreams are not fitting the reality for many folks. After awhile, you don't have hopes and dreams.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 21:37 | 5112265 StychoKiller
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Meh, if those Republicons would just stop hatin'...

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 10:26 | 5108493 general ambivalent
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So many contradictions in a single post. If 'isms' are for idiots, morons, and losers then wouldn't individualism be the 'ism' of the biggest loser? Making you the most isolated of all the losers?

I don't see any individual responsibility here. I see you calling for the STATE (ie. democratism, capitalism, individualism, if you forgot already, moron) to commit mass murder. How is that in any way individual responsibility? If you're such an individualist and so pure in your concern for individual responsibility then why are you even paying attention to what's going on in Ferguson? Why are you not acting as a true ubermensch? You're clearly not there, meaning that your interest goes beyons personal responsibility and individualism - into collectivism. Seems like an even bigger ism, moron.

There is simply no society without collective responsibility either. Real change/innovation comes from the careful will/organisation of the desire within your spirit, beyond the moronic period.

And beyond that, another contradiction. If there is only personal responsibility stemming from investment and the resources at your disposal, and not ethics or morals, then what prevents these black men from being part of your scheme? They are using whatever investment and resources they have at their disposal. According to your principles of personal responsibility that is all that matters, and therefore there is no reason for you to oppose them. Looting, rioting, etc. is a matter of personal responsibility dependent on what resources you have. They are invoking their personal responsibility amendment rights, and are therefore right if we actually stick to the logic you demand. (Moron.)

You ignore the impact Nietzsche had on individualism, perhaps the greatest of all impacts. Morals and ethics become something of a negative, they become their opposite: immorality and unethical responsibility is the new responsibility, the new morals and ethics. Nietzsche reversed what personal responsibility, goodness, and rights meant. In such a scheme of personal interest, where there are no morals, no ethics of organising, and as such nothing differentiates the fundamentals within the larger struggle of personal interest. It becomes the survival of the fittest personal interest, the biggest personal interest wins out. Everything becomes possible in the will to ubermensch. The looters are as much of the process as your stock market scheming. Darwinistic moron.

If you do not believe in moral differentiation then why do you resort to it? Seems a bit like ideological looting, one of the new 'isms'. Fucking idiot moron to the power of the personal responsibility of moronicism.

And don't try to emasculate me, that effort seems a bit too much like feminist collectivism. Double-plus good contradictory moron.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 11:36 | 5108910 Slave
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Trying to control the free market is like trying to control the path of a hurricane. You're up against natural forces. This is the way humans operate and it will never be changed. Governments should embrace it, not try (and always fail) to change it.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:14 | 5108188 TeamDepends
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So you choose communism, then?  And where is this free market of which you speak?  It is nowhere, and hasn't been for at least a century (see birth of Federal Reserve).  This is not even remotely capitalism my friend.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 10:55 | 5108682 general ambivalent
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There is no free market, and there cannot be. The contradictions of the free market are quite simple: you cannot have an economy that is isolated from all politics, all science, all religion, all other matters of outside life; you cannot have an economy of only sellers; you cannot negate history and pretend that capitalism developed free of monarchism and the state, they were hand in hand.

Or invisible hand in glove. The theory of free market capitalism only exists in books, describing an ideal utopia of small villages in which every seller restores a perfect balance for the community. The world could never work in this way, it is more absurd than marxism.

While the FED-controlled market is certainly not free market capitalism there is still the problem that free market ideology, liberalism, the enlightened spirit etc. are founding doctrines of the society in which we exist. Capitalism developed through conquest of new worlds, through the development of the greatest accumulation of wealth in history. Much of the material and goods used to create products for industrialism came from far off places, reliant on this conquest of territores, war, trade with non-capitalist countries etc. Meaning that there is no isolated territory in which capitalist products come of themselves.

This is a fundamental problem in capitalist thought, it is a theology of material as if it arises to the producers and sellers of itself - a virgin birth of the materials of production (and this is where liberalist economics and marxism meet in their ideologies of economy). What this means is that capitalism is a religious belief of modern systems of government, something of an excommunication of its practises of conquest. The effect is something of a zen-like continuation of politics by economic means. In other words, we perform what we call economic rituals and tell ourselves that politics does not exist. This halts any moral or ethical practise in politics, economic theology allows politics to deepen. Not the other way around.

In terms of entropy the inside territory of economy becomes ever more isolated as it relies on these products which arrive of themselves as if there were no outside. But the outside grows as the economy becomes ever more enclosed. This describes our current situation perfectly well. The current American model of fictiitous production and psyop capitalism has no real wealth precisely because from the beginning capitalism theorised that products arrived into the territory of themselves, like a stork dropping a baby from the heavens. All this political mess in the world arises precisely because capitalism denies the outside, denies that there is a politics - and it is this theology which allows the inside territory of capitalism to be overrun by politics and the outside by the forces of entropy.

I suppose people in the past would call me a communist. That may be what I am, but in a sense long before marxism. I believe in communities. In terms of economy I think people need to create their own critiques of the modern forms of economy all at once, capitalist, marxist, and financialist. I also think people should come up with their own critiques of politics, economy, science, and theology, because a focus solely on economics forces economics to become the whole of poltiics, science etc. It is self-consuming, ceases to be economic at all, entirely political. I have my own ideas as to how economy should run, but have no desire to impose that on anyone, that always destroys ideas. Humans need to come up with a way to have diverse economies, ideas, work, daily lives and so on to offset the contradictions of internationalism, war, states, deep economies. To me there is nothing worse than an entire world the same all over. And I think both capitalism and marxism have similar ideologies of creating an international society, one reductionist and the other holistic. Both disastrous.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 13:39 | 5109484 Meat Hammer
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What didn't you understand about "...isms are for tools"? Capitalism isn't an ideology. It isn't an ANYTHING! Don't you get that? It is a manufactured term created by people who simply couldn't understand, and, thus, couldn't handle freedom; a free-market economy where you could use gold or bushels of wheat as money, with free-market forces deciding prices for goods and services, and where some business became unimaginably wealthy and some failed.  I call it the forces of natural law, but a simple explanation like that just wouldn't do for the "great thinkers".  There had to be an explanation.  Let's call it "capitalism", then use examples of facism throughout history to mis-characterize the free market in order to control it.  

I don't think you really understand half of the subject matter in your sermon. I recommend you put the textbooks down and sit in quiet contemplation. Let your mind paint a picture of people engaging in voluntary cooperation.  Is there an "ism" for that? NO!!!! We want freedom.  Period.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 14:16 | 5109777 general ambivalent
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Please explain why you don't think I understand what I'm writing about. Perhaps it is just because you disagree or have never heard such positions before.

Capitalism is an ism, it is an ideology. Capitalism is an ideology of economics within modernity.

And you tricked yourself, you said it is a term created for people, it is an idea to control people or to compel people to act in certain ways - as such, it is an ideology.

The trading of bushels of wheat and gold, with other means of money and trade thrown in, is a derivative of kingdoms and other forms of government and their ideologies, their methods of economy. It is, at the very least, a meta-ideology of economics within a state system. The American ideology is caught up in this idea of the free market as freedom, partly because of the rebellion against the king, and a relative absence of the aesthetic state. But this was only because of America being an infant in terms of civilisation, at its birth it was naive to the world of governments, and was only beginning to develop its own system of statesmanship - and seemingly, kings.

Capitalism is political economy, it is an ideology within forms of control where the government has mixed up just what economics, politics, religion, etc. are - just so that it can extend its methods of control.

I contemplate things all the time. And I sympathise with your desire for freedom. That is why I spend a lot of time, writing, contemplating, and reading about freedom, as I truly desire it. And as yet, I have found people tend to make a mess of the idea of freedom, that may be why I am so critical. My efforts are not intended to offend you, nor to limit your own ideas of freedom.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:56 | 5108403 HardAssets
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"the free market is just automatic genocide" . . . . "system of slaves."

A true free market is the voluntary exchange between individuals.

You just said  "Freedom is Slavery"    Just like in the novel '1984' by Orwell.


P.S. - we haven't had a true free market in some time. The private Fed bank's forced-on-us-by 'law' fiat currency rules over us all. 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 11:24 | 5108826 general ambivalent
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Well, yes. But I did not say that because I believe in it, rather, I said that because there is a contradiction in modern economics that leads to slavery. If you want to understand why I think this then please read my response to TeamDepends.

Orwell's "Freedom is Slavery" is a basic contradiction of life reduced to absurdity. We can never be truly free. There are always contradictions in the development of an idea and its practise in the real world. And there are big contradictions and small contradictions. The idea of freedom is often more of a feeling than anything that can be in the world, creating an ideology of freedom is almost impossible. This is perhaps why works of fiction or artwork often gives us the feeling of freedom moreso than writings on philosophy, economics, and politics. Theology and religion tend to combine fiction with ideas, and hence the greater feeling of freedom.

But even the feeling of freedom does not guarantee we are free. Sometimes it is the ability of an individual to do anything in the world, to go beyond good and evil as Nietzsche said, to feel free. At other times it is the ability to impose upon oneself discipline, an injunction to stop runaway enjoyment which gives a feeling of freedom (perhaps delayed, offset into the future).

My understanding is that in "1984" Orwell was struggling with the ideas of democracy, and he combined the problems of democracy with the totalitarianism of socialism and fascism. I think this because Orwell was questioning democracy, as is clear in Homage to Catalonia, but he never subscribes to communism, socialism, anarchism either. In working out his novel it seems that there is something of a feeling of freedom that is ascribed to the world (such an analysis may work better with Huxley's writings, but nonetheless). Is there not some feeling of freedom when asserting control over another? This is much a biological defense mechanism as we either gain the feeling of continuation of life, or we have succeeded in maintaining a group against schism - the surety of the group;s continuation means survival for the collective and the individual, and the feelings we get are of relief or the will of life.

Such a contradiction at the heart of life can lead to contradictions in society, severe ones, impossible even. There is certainly a sense, or feeling, of freedom for the masters, although we never really get a description of their lives until the end. But at the heart of such deep manipulation and experimentation in the world there is insane levels of power, certainly these people would feel free. What this means is that our sense of freedom can be entirely wrong, can lead us to horror. Freedom is caught up amidst other feelings and ideas. It is not a pure thing removed from all other aspects of the world. And so the same with economy. Our feelings and ideas can trick us, turn us into what we never thought we were. We may just be attempting to survive. Such strange possibilities have to either be resolved or worked within if we are ever to live in true communities and societies.

Unfortunately, the free market arose alongside conquest of vast new territory. It arises alongside war, the rise of American slavery, and the most complete genocide in history. It is, then, a bit ironic that libertarians and free market capitalists are calling for the state to commit mass murder. That is why I made the comment that the free market is automatic genocide. There is some contradiction at the heart of the theory which leads to valorisation of violence and the state. Again, this is laid out more clearly in my response to TeamDepends.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 10:57 | 5108695 Keyser
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Lots of fucktards showing up on ZH lately... Hardly an accident IMO... 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 12:04 | 5109087 froze25
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You really don't have a clue about liberaterian-ism.  It is very simple, rule of law.  People then Govt not the other way around.  Local Gov't then State Gov't Then Federal Govt.  Not Federal then State then local.  That is why the local Gov't controls zoning, the County controls land title.   If the rules (constitution) were actually followed we would not be here to begin with because all the "assistance programs" would only exist as voluntary programs.  People would have to humble themselves and ask for help.  Not demand what has been protrayed as you are "entitled" to this.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:36 | 5108291 lincolnsteffens
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Gee, great idea! Let the criminal class and the agent provocateurs burn the place to the ground so  98% of the peaceful residents can be homeless, bloodied and murdered.

Now why didn't I think of that?  Yeah, I could have thought of that, duh!


Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:53 | 5108381 LawsofPhysics
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Wrong, let's see, take responsibility for my own community?  Responsibility?  What's that?  Not a very critical thinker are you?

Duh indeed.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:38 | 5108301 p00k1e
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I work with Bankers.  Don't be shutting off government assistance.  I'll starve!

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 12:35 | 5109239 RaceToTheBottom
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The term is Banksters

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 21:42 | 5112300 TheRedScourge
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You mean let the middle class reap what they've sown by voting for policies that made this outcome inevitable? The elite are safe in their gated communities with armed guards in secret locations.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:32 | 5108049 crazzziecanuck
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Ferguson is clearly a plot by Putin.  His revenge for Ukraine.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:15 | 5108206 knukles
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Thank God ..... I thought I was going crazy ...

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:21 | 5108238 Bendromeda Strain
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/situation normal, all knuk'd up

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:38 | 5108300 Agent P
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$3.44 for regular?  No wonder they're rioting! 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:33 | 5108052 Whoa Dammit
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The guy who keeps lobbing the gas canisters back at the police every night should be signed by the NFL. (see the first photo on this page & also the widely circulated photo of him throwing 1 while wearing an American flag shirt & holding a bag of chips in the other hand)

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:47 | 5108351 Renewable Life
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I'm glad I'm not he only one here who thought that too!! There have been some amazing images "people vs the state" style!!

But it all can be swept away with a simple murmur of "thugs and gangstas" are the problem, bring in the military!

Quick Mr Governor, bring in the National Guard, we only have two weeks to get these blacks back under control before the NFL season starts and everything can look pretty and perfect again! Oh and one other thing, let's get a couple more laws passed in MO that makes it even hader for anyone to own a gun, a scanner, military gear, gas masks, ammo, or anything else we might feel threatened by in the future!!! These blacks have enIightened us to just how vulnerable our police state might be to "rebellion" going forward!

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:20 | 5108236 HardAssets
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"riot is the language of the unheard"

Martin Luther King


That's so 1960s.

Its probably a good idea for those who legitimately want to exercise their free speech rights to consider what their objectives are and how best to carry them out.

Do they want a fair trial over the shooting of the young man - - - which started all this ?  How to bring this about ?

It may not be the best strategy to use a method which is easily infiltrated by criminals and/or agent provocateurs to illicit a military response from those in government.  The legitimate protesters are painted with a broad brush as 'violent, looting blacks'.    Read some Sun Tzu

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:39 | 5108308 PrintemDano
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They have no valid grievance even worthy of protest...nothing but white hating cop hating racists.   See Chiraq this weekend...if u think I'm wrong, 'splain why no one is protesting in Chiraq....

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 11:34 | 5108901 general ambivalent
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While you are correct that many involved in rioting or insurrections like this may just become caught up in false ideas, or they may not have any sense of what they want, this is always the case. Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on your perspective) we can never have total control of the people around us. There will always be people who avoid strategy, morals, and thinking their way through problems. People will react automatically and do the wrong things. What we have to do if we are to get rid of this system is work around people like this. Imposing total control, or having a rigid set of beliefs surrounding what is correct strategy, can be its own reaction. it too may be the wrong strategy.

The question is then how do we attempt to maintain a correct path of rebellion without forcing people, without destroying the diverse potential, and without becoming the new boss ourselves.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:54 | 5108253 Kirk2NCC1701
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"riot is the language of the unheard" -Martin Luther King

"A riot is a place in need for a Community Organizer" -Kirk.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 10:04 | 5108437 Bendromeda Strain
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The Community Organizer is busy, can the riot be moved to the golf course?

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 21:56 | 5112360 StychoKiller
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Let's review:  The State enacts the Civil Rights Act in 1964,  the State writes a plethora of "Affirmative Action" laws (There, there little nappy haid, we know you just don't have the brainpower to succeed without the Nanny State, so...), the State rains welfare checks upon the land for forty days and forty nights, Pell grants supply college tuition to "po" folks, EBT cards get issued, no (mostly) questions asked, TPTB even arranges for a black President to get elected, yet somehow these spoiled children still demand even more succor from the State!  Sorry, but throwing Munny at the problem(s) ain't gonna solve anything.  Time to remove the Decepticrats from all bureaucracies (for starters!)

Here's whats gonna happen:  This hapless Ferguson police officer is gonna get railroaded into prison (but it STILL won't be enough to placate the spoiled brats amongst us).

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 01:38 | 5113156 Rakshas
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Correct ....... sports riot are people's cries for better pricing .......??? And if you can pick up a chick even better..........

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 07:56 | 5107931 Latina Lover
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I recommend that the rioters contact palestinians and ask them for advice. They have a great deal of experience dealing with Israeli crowd and riot suppression tactics. Since we know who trained our police, this info should be very useful.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 07:56 | 5107936 GetZeeGold
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Great ambassador from Hamas would get this cleared up in no time.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:01 | 5107955 Squid-puppets a...
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i hear theyve already started tunnelling between Fergy & downtown St Lois

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 21:59 | 5112371 StychoKiller
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Lawd knows there's plenty of youtube clips on how to make rocket motors...Let's light this candle!

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:14 | 5107997 tonyw
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are there any pics or vids of these molotov cocktails?

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:28 | 5108036 GetZeeGold
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Still in production.....but should be out just about anytime.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:31 | 5108046 Save_America1st
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there were pics and video from the big riot last Wednesday night (I think it was Wednesday night)...I was watching live when the first molotov was thrown onto the top of a carwash and set the roof on fire. 

But it wasn't thrown at the Imperial Storm Troopers.  Those jerk-offs were too busy shooting gas and rubber bullets at the media who were filming them. 

There were also still pics of 2 holding the bottle with the rag hanging out of it and another lighting it.  But like I said, that was last week.  Haven't seen new photos of any others being lit or thrown yet.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:42 | 5108316 PrintemDano
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So you're saying these kind hearted protesters should be left alone as long as they are just burning down innocent business establishments.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:53 | 5108392 Save_America1st
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is that what you read into what I wrote?  What are you, retarded???

Who are you, the idiot from Huff Post who thought ear plugs were rubber bullets??? lol


Mon, 08/18/2014 - 12:38 | 5109243 PrintemDano
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"there were pics and video from the big riot last Wednesday night (I think it was Wednesday night)...I was watching live when the first molotov was thrown onto the top of a carwash and set the roof on fire. 

But it wasn't thrown at the Imperial Storm Troopers.  Those jerk-offs were too busy shooting gas and rubber bullets at the media who were filming them.""

Yea, that's what I got out of it.  Because it wasn't thrown at the Storm Troopers there was no cause to use tear gas and rubber bullets.....No, I don't believe the bullets and tear gas were aimed at the media....large crowd of savages....only a tool, like yourself, would believe that....because a cannister or bullet hit or landed near the media doesn't mean they were the target.  Asswipe.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:48 | 5108091 rbg81
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Just start firing Katyusha rockets at white neighborhoods.  That's the ticket.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:40 | 5108127 snodgrass
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The police are not to blame. During the Clinton administration the heads of police depts. across the country were sent to Israhell for training in how to control their captives. The police just protect the political class and the bankers from those they have screwed.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:35 | 5108043 free_lunch
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Looting in Ferguson, police stand down




“We are about peace. That’s the most powerful tool we have,” said Mario Jefferson of the Occupy LA encampment.  “We don’t want to waste energy on breaking things. We’re trying to do this thing peacefully,” he said.

The world-wide movement challenging the existing economic systems and extremely unequal distribution of wealth has gained momentum and continues to grow.   And with growth, we need to be very aware of agent provocateurs.

We can always assume one thing: there are always provocateurs in every rally, meeting and demonstration.  Be they from our tax-paid police departments or private “security” hired by corporate America, they will be there, provoking and inciting violence. 

Be very aware and present.  The general warning is that when someone seemingly “in the group” advocates violence, begins throwing things, fighting, and generally inciting violence, you must assume that person is a plant.  Do not let them pull you into negative action.

The obvious goal of the “officials”  is to show via the corporate media “violence” of the crowd, which then allows military-style police action in “response”.

You will always hear people in the crowd calling out things like “Do not fight back.  Do not provoke the police.  No violence.”  It’s often hard to stay rational in an energized conflict, but we need to do our best.  Do not take any action that could be construed as violent or even  “resisting arrest.”  Our strength is in our peace.  Our strength is in our love.  Our strength is in our unity.

Provocateurs have always been infiltrating any movement of the people, probably as far back as earliest civilization.  Today, the tactic appears to be universal.

Full article + video's examples:


Police Provocateurs During Spanish Austerity Protests


Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:52 | 5108114 MalteseFalcon
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This board has been infiltrated and quite successfully it appears.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:30 | 5108269 photonsoflight
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Hope all the chickens in my hen house act this way when its time to slaughter them.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:30 | 5108270 Oldwood
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"Agent provocateur"

Is that anything like a troll?

We all know that black Americans would NEVER resort to violence and looting unless they were tricked into it, like the hundreds who shoot each other on a regular basis.

yes, completely out of character.


Mon, 08/18/2014 - 07:56 | 5107932 Bossman1967
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it has begun a while ago these are the occupy moment given a reason. god bless our country and maybe just maybe the law abiding citizens will wake up and do something about what our country has become

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:44 | 5108331 PrintemDano
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OWS funded and backed by Soros and the liberal establishment....eventually the local police etc...had enough of rape, drugs, shit, assault...and put an end to it...

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 12:19 | 5109169 Bananamerican
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I love it when you brain dead, Statist trolls out yourselves...

Junk on sight: PTD

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 12:40 | 5109254 PrintemDano
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1st time I've ever been called a liberal.  OWS was cheered on by the Pelosi's and Reid's....look it up.  They did nothing to Wall Street, they did drugs, raped and pillaged.  Assaulted innocent people in restaurants and wreaked havoc in a few banks terrorizing the innocent tellers.  Scum of the Earth.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 07:59 | 5107945 disabledvet
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We'll see. Images look much for the bobbies on the street.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:35 | 5108286 Kirk2NCC1701
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"And so, begins?"

Nah, not until they get a case of OBOLA.  That will organize the community.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 07:49 | 5107907 ParkAveFlasher
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I just hope when the riots begin here in the Big Apple, they are equal opportunity. Tonight I drink to the Swiss Cheese Homey!

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 07:58 | 5107927 junction
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So you want to march, Ferguson protestors!  Well, take this, CS tear gas and plenty of it.  Only Alex Jones was reporting on the massive use of tear gas and rubber bullets three days ago, much of it sent to the protestors courtesy of the Ferguson police, supposedly off duty.  Maybe the Feds should subpoena the store video tapes showing Ferguson police strongarming stores for free merchandise and meals.  Like the now discredited Captain Johnson, everything from authorities are lies to cover up an egregious homicide by an alcoholic thug police officer.  

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:04 | 5107962 GetZeeGold
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HuffPo Reporter Mistakes Earplugs For Rubber Bullets


It's HuffPo......what are you going to do?


Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:34 | 5108055 25or6to4
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Brilliant, stick something that has been laying around on the ground and stick it in your ear. Speaks volumes of huffpo reporters.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:17 | 5108219 knukles
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lemme google it and find out

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:29 | 5108265 Kirk2NCC1701
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Well, at least the Huff Fluff didn't mistake rubber bullets for butt-plugs.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 07:59 | 5107943 Lebensphilosoph
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It doesn't walk so much as runs, leaps, and dances in the form of a horde of looting savages on the riot screaming "Kill Whitey!".

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:22 | 5108242 Horseless Headsman
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What in Hell is the "U.S. state militia"? I was sure we had a MO state militia here.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:47 | 5108354 p00k1e
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Good question. Aren’t Militias supposed to be separate from the state?? LOL

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:46 | 5108338 TheFourthStooge-ing
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With a military police on the scene, always be aware that Death walks just behind you:

Yeah, but the guy missed the most obvious choice for the music.

Atomic Rooster - Death Walks Behind You

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 07:49 | 5107895 Gringo Viejo
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Sgt. Jody Joad will straighten shit out for 'em.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 07:53 | 5107926 Seize Mars
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Marjoe Gortner, fucking excellent my man

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 07:49 | 5107897 Miles Ahead
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Oh my, he was shot 6 times?  And twice in the head? (NY Times).  That would be the unarmed 18 year old.  And people are not supposed to be incensed over that...  he made out I guess; after all, Amadou Diallo got shot 41 times on his front stairs; mistaken identity.  (One cop unloaded 15 times). 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 07:51 | 5107914 philipat
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Sounds more like target practise?

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 07:58 | 5107941 shovelhead
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I guess doing the fatboy charge on a cop with his gun out is a real bad idea.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:35 | 5108057 firstdivision
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Don't fully know about that as the wounds are on the head and arms, as if his hands were actually up in the air.  Either way, the kid was not fully innocent, but also the cop didn't act in a proper manner.  Why he didn't call for backup in the first place, especially since he knew they were the suspects in the store robbery, seems fishy.  Also, I don't understand this unessary force used to stop them from burning their own neighborhood to the ground.  Hell, John Keynes is all for this self destruction as it'll help with GDP

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:29 | 5108264 Horseless Headsman
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The cop was unaware that he was suspected of the recent robbery at the time of the shooting

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 12:45 | 5109270 PrintemDano
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The thug knew he was wanted for robbery...hence he attacked the police before they got him.  Just like the eyewitniss immediately after said, the thug was charging the cop.  Bangbang. Instant justice. 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:44 | 5108326 Agent P
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"Why he didn't call for backup in the first place"

Maybe the old saying is true...when seconds count the police are just minutes away...well, the rest of the police at least. 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 10:04 | 5108443 whirling tword ...
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This guy probably got what was coming to him...  But, I think in the larger picture, if there was not systemic abuse of this community by the police for years, one shooting would not have provoked this reaction, in my opinion....  And the cops gassing reporters and shooting them with beanbags and arresting two of them and McDonalds seems to corroberate their story of police abuse.

Of course, you can never allow looting and burning things in your community... you also can't allow military in your neighborhood.... IMO, the police should not be allowed equipment that civilians can't have.... When the police have the ability to squash their citizens with no fear of the population they're supposed to protect... abuse will shortly follow.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 22:08 | 5112431 StychoKiller
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Yeah, strange how the police in Japan don't even carry firearms (of course, they are trained in Martial Arts...)

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:43 | 5108082 TheReplacement
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Especially with your hands up - the wounds show he had his hands up.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:57 | 5108125 tallystick
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Wrong. The wounds were to the bicep because the hands were down.  Wounds would be to the tricep if hands were up.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:20 | 5108230 knukles
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Thank you.
Wish people would read the bloody autopsy reports....

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 10:19 | 5108518 Bendromeda Strain
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Dude, fact are retarded. Only the narrative matters.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 12:46 | 5109276 PrintemDano
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Correction, Al Sharpton said he had his hands up.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:42 | 5108075 sessinpo
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Miles Ahead   Oh my, he was shot 6 times?  And twice in the head? (NY Times).  That would be the unarmed 18 year old.  And people are not supposed to be incensed over that...  he made out I guess; after all, Amadou Diallo got shot 41 times on his front stairs; mistaken identity.  (One cop unloaded 15 times).


Quite frankly, if some thug comes after you and endangers your life or your family, I hope you unload as many rounds as you can without worrying about leftist political correctness.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 10:09 | 5108469 whirling tword ...
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Yup, you shoot until the threat stops.... and a pistol... any caliber won't have enough energy to stop someone in one shot unless you get a heart shot ( which will still take up to 10 seconds ) or a central nervous system shot which will drop them on the spot.

Pistols don't generally have enough velocity to much except put a bullet sized hole in someone that leaks....  HP rifles on the other hand have enough velocity to create very large would cavities because of the high velocity of the projectiles.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 10:22 | 5108540 PrintemDano
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A 250# violent thug charging at the cops reaped what he sowed dumbass.  Listen to the eyewitness right after it happened, the 1st shot didn't stop him, so he got justifiably riddled.  Good riddance.  Do yourself a favor, put down the your birdcage....

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 07:46 | 5107899 IronShield
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Whew, thank goodness.  I'm sure that'll ease the situation.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 07:46 | 5107900 rbg81
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The McDonalds was looted for fuck sake.  Of course they sent in the National Guard.  Some things just absolutely can't be tolerated.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 07:54 | 5107928 jmcadg
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Do you get better toys in the Happy Meals Stateside?
Enquiring minds and all that! ;)

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:41 | 5108061 rbg81
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The Happy Meals suck.  Surprised that more MickyD's don't get burned down because of it.

What I really want to see is a platoon of Ronald McDonalds defending their turf with AR-15s and grenades.  I'd buy THAT for a dollar.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 10:48 | 5108651 LFMayor
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If you're getting the Ronald McDonald Proctological Exam "Puppet" then no, we're not.  A plastic bag with Ronald printed on it.
When I was a kid I got gypped with that and I'd blow it up like a balloon, then squeeze it until his fucking head swelled and ruptured.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 09:30 | 5108274 Kirk2NCC1701
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Not to worry... another truckload of Pink Slime is on the way.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 10:18 | 5108510 whirling tword ...
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One important point here that most ( esp the media ) missed.... It is NOT the National Guard... it's the State Guard that was brought by the Gov..... The National Guard could have been brought but would have been mobilized by the President.... They're not the same group of folks.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 10:32 | 5108573 rbg81
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Uh, the title clearly says National Guard.  National Guard authority is at the state level only--there is no "National" National Guard, only the Active Duty military.  You may be confusing the Guard with the Reserve (which is national).

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 10:45 | 5108637 whirling tword ...
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oops... yep.  should have remembered that detail after what happened at Katrina..

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 07:48 | 5107903 IronShield
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I've been watching this program called Gaza and rock throwing didn't work out so well there.  I guess it'll be different here because our participants are exceptional.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 07:54 | 5107922 negative rates
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We have more rock throwers here than cops, so yea, it is different.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 07:49 | 5107904 Seize Mars
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Fuck the national guard, I heard Dr. Phil was called in

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 07:50 | 5107912 ParkAveFlasher
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lulz...drop in Oprah from a C130 on a pallet of Jordanz.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:23 | 5108019 Rootin' for Putin
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Just drop oprah from a c130

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 08:29 | 5108038 BlindMonkey
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Wrong asset. You need a heavy lifter. C-17 or C-5 would do nicely.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 07:55 | 5107916 negative rates
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I heard they called in the water ballons filled with used motor oil, so the guard could see better after launching some tear gas.

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