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Obama Deploys Eric Holder To Ferguson; Speaks About Race

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Moments ago while taking a break from his vacation, the president announced that he would drag away the US attorney general Eric Holder neck deep in workload (which involves if not prosecuting criminal bankers, who as we know as too systemic to prosecute, then certainly punishing them by demanding their shareholders pay legal charges that amount to pennies on the dollar from the crime proceeds) to Ferguson on Wednesday, where he will meet with federal law enforcement authorities.

So to preview tonight's Ferguson highlights: every TV network present, no curfew and the national guard, with Eric Holder en route.

And while Obama touched on the topic of the ongoing military campaign in Iraq, which he admitted would be a long-term "strategy", the most important excerpt of the speech by a president somewhat out of his comfort zone, were the following comments on the topic of race, where he was on thin ice: condemn the rioting too hard, and he could cost the democrats the "race" vote in the midterms; condemn the police response, and he would appear to be pandering to rioters and looters and put the police union vote in jeopardy.

Here is what he said, presented without comment (transcript via WaPo):

Obama: Obviously, we’ve seen events in which there’s a big gulf between community perceptions and law enforcement perceptions around the country. This is not something new. It’s always tragic when it involves the death of someone so young. I have to be very careful about not prejudging these events before investigations are completed. Because, although these are, you know, issues of local jurisdiction -- you know, the DOJ works for me. And then when they’re conducting an investigation, I’ve got to make sure that I don’t look like I’m putting my thumb on the scales one way or the other.

So, it’s hard for me to address a specific case, beyond making sure that it’s conducted in a way that is transparent, where there’s accountability, where people can trust the process, hoping that, as a consequence of a fair and just process, you end up with a fair and just outcome.

But, as I think I’ve said in some past occasions, part of the ongoing challenge of perfecting our union has involved dealing with communities that feel left behind, who, as a consequence of tragic histories, often find themselves isolated, often find themselves without hope, without economic prospects.

You have young men of color in many communities who are more likely to end up in jail or in the criminal justice system than they are in a good job or in college.

And, you know, part of my job, that I can do, I think, without any potential conflicts, is to get at those root causes.

Now, that’s a big project. It’s one that we’ve been trying to carry out now for a couple of centuries. And we’ve made extraordinary progress, but we have not made enough progress.

And so, the idea behind something like My Brother’s Keeper is can we work with cities and communities and clergy and parents and young people themselves, all across the country, school superintendents, business, corporations, and can we find models that work, that move these young men on -- on a better track?

Now part of that process is also looking at our criminal justice system to make sure that it is upholding the basic principle of everybody’s equal before the law.

And -- and one of the things that we’ve looked at during the course of where we can make -- during the course of investigating where we can make a difference is that there’re patterns that start early.

Young African American and Hispanic boys tend to get suspended from school at much higher rates than other kids, even when they’re in elementary school. They tend to have much more frequent interactions with the criminal justice system at an earlier age.

Sentencing may be different. How trials are conducted may be different.

And so, you know, one of the things that we’ve done is to include Department of Justice in this conversation under the banner of my brother’s keeper to see where can we start working with local communities to inculcate more trust, more confidence in the criminal justice system.

And -- and I want to be -- I want to be clear about this because sometimes I think there’s confusion around these issues and this dates back for -- for decades.

There are young black men that commit crime. And -- and -- and we can argue about why that happens because of the poverty they were born into or the lack of opportunity or the school systems that failed them or what have you, but if they commit a crime, then they need to be prosecuted because every community has an interest in public safety.

And if you go into the African American community or the Latino community, some of the folks who are most intent on making sure that criminals are dealt with are people that have been preyed upon by them.

So, this is not an argument that there isn’t real crime out there and that law enforcement doesn’t have a difficult job. And you know, that they -- you know, they have to be honored and respected for the danger and difficulty of law enforcement. But what is also true is that given the history of this country, where we can make progress in building up more confidence, more trust, making sure that our criminal justice system is acutely aware of the possibilities of disparities in treatment, there are safeguards in place to avoid those disparities where, you know, training and assistance is provided to local law enforcement who, you know, may just need more information in order to avoid potential disparity. All those things can make a difference.

One of the things I was most proud of when I was in the state legislature, way back when I had no grey hair and none of you could pronounce my name was, you know, I passed legislation requiring videotaping of interrogations and confessions. And I passed legislation dealing with racial profiling in Illinois.

And in both cases, we worked with local law enforcement. And the argument was that you can do a better job as a law enforcement official if you have built up credibility and trust. And there’s some basic things that can be done to promote that kind of trust, and you know, in some cases, it’s just a lack of information. And we want to make sure that we get that information to law enforcement.

So, there are things that can be done to improve the situation, but short term, obviously, right now what we have to do is make sure that the cause of justice and fair administration of the law is being brought to bear in Ferguson. In order to do that, we’ve got to make sure that we are able to distinguish between peaceful protesters who may have some legitimate grievances, and maybe longstanding grievances, and those who are using this tragic death as an excuse to engage in criminal behavior and tossing Molotov cocktails or looting stores. And that is a small minority of folks, and it may not even be residents of Ferguson, but they are damaging the cause. They are not advancing it.

 

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Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:37 | 5110854 Cattender
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OBunga should send a Black Man...

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:45 | 5110885 booboo
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What? no mention of unwed fathers, Hows Frank Marshall doing there Zero?

Obama is proof positive that a clueless black man (we already have proof that a clueless white man can get there too)  can get to the highest office in the land but without a stable father figure be as fucking confused as a child molester at Chuckee Cheese.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:52 | 5110935 Meat Hammer
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Nothing like pedophile humor!

May I suggest:

He's as confused as a baby in a titty bar.

-or-

He's as confused as a straight guy driving a Jetta.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:57 | 5110948 AlaricBalth
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Obama said, "Because, although these are, you know, issues of local jurisdiction -- you know, the DOJ works for me."

And there you have it ladies and gentlemen. Obama regards himself as an omnipotent monarch. It was my understanding that the DOJ was supposed to work for the American people, not some guy with narcissistic characteristics and bloated ego. Seriously,, isn't the presidency nothing but a glorified temp job.

I know, I know. The DOJ hasn't worked for the people in decades, but this is ridiculous. Government of the people, by the people and for the people has devolved into government against the people.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:04 | 5110972 MarsInScorpio
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blah, blah, blah, YOU KNOW, blah, blah, YOU KNOW, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, YOU KNOW, blah, YOU KNOW, blah blah, blah . . .YOU KNOW.

 

This is the Great Orator - fills in the blanks like a Valley Girl on Valium - YOU KNOW?

 

Yeah, we know - back when we "couldn't pronounce" your name, and now we can't stand the sound of it without getting sick to our stomach, that you were a loser, a slacker, a liar, a fraud, a scammer, a disaster, YOU KNOW, that yeah. we know.

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Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:05 | 5111001 kaiserhoff
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I was hoping he would send Biden.

Everyone in MO could use a good laugh.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:20 | 5111092 BurningFuld
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Send Kerry to negotiate a settlement.....

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 19:01 | 5111311 wee-weed up
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He's sending AG (with)Holder?
OMG... so the biggest law breaker in the Admin is going to tell the local and state officials how to uphold the law? You gotta be shittin' me!

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 19:09 | 5111371 TeamDepends
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If you are ever close enough to Holder to heckle him, yell this: Hey Holder, what do you know about the OKC bombing!?!? Then sit back, watch him cringe and shapeshift a little. Ah, good times.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 21:51 | 5112342 Davalicious
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Obama's language is very telling. He is speaking to a population which is being dumbed down by an open southern border. This is not going to be a society in which politicians have a dialogue with citizens. When politicians speak it will merely be to explain away some decision.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 19:46 | 5111666 CrownedCoke
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Brilliant strategery!

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:29 | 5111155 Reaper
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He forgot to say whether Holder will be in charge of agent provocateurs, too.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:00 | 5110976 power steering
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Send in the Racist AG?

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:08 | 5111021 maskone909
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If i had a son, we would look like michael "BIG MIKE" brown. He would be a member of the same blood gang set. He would smoke the same brand of blunts, too.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:24 | 5111124 usednabused
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Yup and if the worthless asshole had a brain he wouldnt talk of not wanting his thumb on the fucking scale. I wonder what George Zimmerman thinks of that shitty remark Asshole in Chief made there.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:22 | 5111103 rbg81
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Can't wait to see Holder use his magnetism & intelligence to calm things down in Ferguson.  What is the worst that can happen?  A full scale race war?  Actually, with Holder in the mix, the worst is exactly what I'm expecting.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:32 | 5111172 SeattleBruce
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"Never let a good crisis go to waste."

That Obamafraud Rahm Emmanuel is gone, but they still use his MO, in MO.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 21:31 | 5112230 eclectic syncretist
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Obama and Holder are corrupt whites in black skins and the people are starting to figure it out.  They take the blacks entirely for granted, treating them with even less consideration than  they give to illegal immigrants.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 21:38 | 5112278 silverer
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True.  How are the best interests of blacks served in this country when we let the competitors for jobs stream on in?  Not a word from Al S. on this one, either.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 04:10 | 5113288 Urban Redneck
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The black plantation is full of such "leaders" and so are most of the other slave farms. But why do humans (collectively) consistently make such poor decisions about how to organize themselves?

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 19:52 | 5111721 Roll Tide
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Holder is the in the drawer marked "Empty Suit" at the Bureau of Standards.  All "Empty Suits" are measured on the "Holder" scale.

By the way, BO is a perfect 12 on the 10 point scale.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:03 | 5110984 ugmug
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Obama is finally sending in his 'caddy' Eric Holder ............his golf game will suffer but his score card will still be a perfect 55.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 20:22 | 5111898 logicalman
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I think I can help.

It was my understanding that the DOJ was supposed to work for the American people.

That's where you went wrong.

Government has always been about theft and control.

The psychopaths see the rest of humanity as animals to be herded and exploited.

Countries are the fields humans graze in and borders are the fences that separate them into manageable groups.

 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:10 | 5111033 maskone909
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@meathammer
Baby inna tity bar... Lol man thas hilarious +1

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:22 | 5111101 BurningFuld
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I most had to give you a -1 for NEVER HEARING THAT JOKE BEFORE!

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:12 | 5111044 Stoploss
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So, if the cop was black then all would be ok right?   This is the message that is received?

The problem seems to be white cops in black hoods.

Common sense would suggest it is not advisable to have white cops patrolling all black neighborhoods.

Has anyone told the rioters if they continue, there wont be a check in the mail for next month??

When you have a problem, cut the fucking money off. And voila', It's Fixed...

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:19 | 5111082 The Gooch
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Meanwhile, in Chicago...

7 killed (3 "teenagers") and 31 shot over the weekend.

http://heyjackass.com/ 

 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:47 | 5111252 RaceToTheBottom
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Was that link suppsed to go to a news article?

If so, it is broken.  Goes nowhere

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 19:17 | 5111455 The Gooch
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?

I'll try again.

http://heyjackass.com/

Copy and paste if not.

"Illustrating Chicago values"

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 21:41 | 5112291 silverer
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Link just worked for me.  Better run a scan on your machine!

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 20:10 | 5111845 rbg81
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Why bother mentioning that when you can use the "Black holocaust at the hand of the White man" meme to justify rioting, burning and looting?

The only thing more annoying than the rioting thugs are the guilty White liberals who continually buy into the lie.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 19:29 | 5111548 fedupwhiteguy
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hey stoploss,

They've tried the black only police force before, in SouthCentral LA. What a joke! They had to dissolve the entire group due to incompetence and corruption.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 19:38 | 5111611 MrButtoMcFarty
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Right...the "black thing" has obviously worked so well in the White House and DoJ...

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:48 | 5111261 whoopsing
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 Boo Boo , Sean got shit-canned for talking like that  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/16/sean-bergin-news-12-reporter_n_5591272.html  I met him once , gave me nearly a minute airtime to express my views about local issues , and he let me tell my story , he came off as a really fair guy

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:44 | 5110889 jcaz
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He doesn't know any anymore.....

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:16 | 5111070 junction
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Holder is there to test out his shoplifting skills.  He could have taught Michael Brown lessons in stealing.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 20:02 | 5111803 barre-de-rire
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a dog never trained another dog.

same for humans, a nigger cannot train a nigger. white master must be present in the room.

pls,  it not any rascism at all, centuries ago there were in trees, old europ took them, gave em a god, teached em to do things.

 

they were animals, why the fuck it is so hard for a fucking nigger to accept his own self civilized evolution never came & white man had to comes into play so now, they can live with whites, and we have accepted to have a black man as president... seriously, i know some guy that any move of the hand out of the table while eating whould have shot all ferguson a bullet between eyes.

they are miseducated animals. i wrote it days ago here, looting is nigger behavior.  

 

USA MUST TIGHTEN THE LEASH ffs !

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:39 | 5110859 Seasmoke
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ZZZZZZZZZ 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:40 | 5110864 Itchy and Scratchy
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Race Baiter-in-Chief!

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:40 | 5110865 Truther
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Fucking nuts... Better hold holder

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:41 | 5110869 Ms. Erable
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"We need to find a coroner that will falsify the autopsy report before I decide what I'm going to say."

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:42 | 5110881 New_Meat
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oh fer three

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:49 | 5110914 813kml
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Yep, it was definitely a suicide.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:06 | 5111010 ShrNfr
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Only if Hillary is involved.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:07 | 5111012 Keyser
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Don't laugh, it happens... This guy stabbed himself in the chest 7 times and the plod called it suicide... 

http://www.samuitimes.com/russian-tourist-found-dead-in-phuket-hotel-wit...

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:53 | 5110942 Uncle Sugar
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Call in the guy who mocked up his HI birth certificate.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:35 | 5111188 SeattleBruce
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Wait - there's a problem with Obama's birth certificate?  ;)

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:41 | 5110872 Jethro
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.  It's like we're living in an Onion article.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:49 | 5110910 Keyser
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More like the Bizarro world from the old Superman comics... 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:07 | 5111017 ShrNfr
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Idiocracy works for me.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:44 | 5110875 Rainman
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Soona or later the street bruthas have they way with the long-legged mack daddy . Now Holder gonna teach em bout racial justice .... hahaha 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:42 | 5110878 New_Meat
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"... Speaks About Race"

Nothing new about that.

- Ned

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:50 | 5110917 Freebird
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We just have to get along folks

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:43 | 5110882 BeansBulletsBandaids
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My brother's keeper?

That's racissst..

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:46 | 5110884 Tenshin Headache
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Sounds like a Canadian with all the "you know"

Interestingly, seems concentrated at the end where he is talking about law enforcement and trust.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:48 | 5110905 Bollixed
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Those "you knows" are ad libs. His teleprompter wouldn't have those in his script.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:19 | 5111088 The Gooch
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"y'all knows"

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:45 | 5110893 Roll Tide
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Michelle advises that the weather at the Vineyard has been perfect and she hopes BO will be back soon to enjoy it.  Tonight some friends are coming over for champagne and strawberries.  Everyone is chilling out.  

She wishes we were all there.  Especially Al Sharpton.  

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:49 | 5111266 FredFlintstone
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I thought Obama hated blacks like Al Sharpton?

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:47 | 5110897 NYPoke
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Throw in John Kerry & The Civil War II should start shortly.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:48 | 5110901 griffey247
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Just read the AP article on Drudge about Holder taking over the riot situation... NOT ONE mention of the drugs he had in his system OR how all the entry wounds were on the front of Brown... Just APPALLING 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:52 | 5110936 Keyser
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Have you watched the interview with the Coroner? If not, you should... 

 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:55 | 5110956 MsCreant
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They need weeks for the toxicology report to come back.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:48 | 5110903 griffey247
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Just read the AP article on Drudge about Holder taking over the riot situation... NOT ONE mention of the drugs he had in his system OR how all the entry wounds were on the front of Brown... Just APPALLING 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:28 | 5111146 Monty Burns
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On RT just now the reporter kept referring to 'the murdered man'. 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 19:41 | 5111624 griffey247
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Great find...  Amazing isnt it? 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:49 | 5110906 Catullus
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It starts with "why are the police not subject to the same laws of the land they're trying to enforce?" If you shoot someone in the back, you're a murderer. You must be held to account for your actions. You're not given a pass because you put on a government costume.

You're fully allowed to "prejudge" this situation. Unless you've got a really good story, a story which you are more than free to explain before a jury and judge, shooting someone in the back is not self-defense.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:50 | 5110928 MsCreant
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Mike Brown was not shot in the back. The autopsy showed that all the shots happened when he was facing the cop.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:54 | 5110952 Catullus
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You're right.

Michael Brown still wasn't armed.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:09 | 5111009 arby63
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He probably wasn't armed. Given his age, however, he thought he was cock-strong and invincible--just another hard-headed punk with a lawless attitude.

Look at the pix of the cop though: Rather smallish and definitely NOT imposing to say the least.

Think about how it might have unfolded. There is no simple answer here (there never is). We just have to face the unfortunate reality and stop (on a national level [ hellow MSM? ]) skipping around the point: Black youths across America are lawless fucking idiots. 

Oh, you're boy is a good boy? Maybe, but that makes him in perhaps the top 15%. The remaining 85% think they can do what they want when they want. They work at Taco Bell in the evening and steal/rob/rape/shoot/accost right after work.

It's all too fucking obvious people! Read the statistics and STOP denying reality. The only real fix is an island: One where we send all the fuckers when they think their shit don't stink.

Kind of like Papilion http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070511/ )

 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:16 | 5111072 Catullus
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Cops kills unarmed person. Murder.

I don't care if who he killed was black or a felon or the worst idiot in the world. Cops are not judge, jury, and executioners.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:27 | 5111139 MarsInScorpio
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Catullus

 

Listen, you simple-minded shit - I'll get a 6-4, 297 pound friend to bumrush you from 35 feet away, with you figuring he's going to kill you - literally - when he gets his hands on you.

 

And you're just going to let him do it, right?

 

You lying bastard - if you have any sense of self-preservation, you are going to kill the attacker before the atttacker kills you.

 

You idiots on the left who make such incredibly stupid, lying statements, deserve to get bumrushed and killed, just because your lack of personal integrity makes you unfit to live with decent people.

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Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:36 | 5111191 Catullus
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Fuck off, asswipe.

You can make up this "bumrushed" story all you want. But nothing supports it. And it still wouldn't matter. Cop has gun. Teenager does not. Cop shot teenager. Teenager dead. Killing people is a serious fucking thing.

You can do your little simple-mided government, cop cocksucking all you want, but there are fucking rules. And there's a pretty simple rule in society: you better have a good fucking reason to kill another person. And expect that a lot of people are going to want answers.

Oh. And I'm not leftist, you dipshit. You're just stuck in your left-right retardo fuck world used to cloud your judgement.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 08:56 | 5111260 FredFlintstone
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An unbiased eyewitness account supports it dumbass.

 

Update 8/19: a dozen witnesses support Mr. Wilson's account, dumbass.

 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:56 | 5111297 tigercpa
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Actually, the family's ME report, as freaking ambigous as it was, fully supports the idea of the cop getting bumrushed.

 “Enty, re-entry, and exit wounds”... 

Big Mike took hits after he turned and rushed the officer, with his head down as if to tackle the cop, and hence, took one in the top of the head.

We still need more detail of the ME report,  but certainly appears plausible.

 

 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 19:01 | 5111298 tigercpa
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Actually, the family's ME report, as freaking ambigous as it was, fully supports the idea of the cop getting bumrushed.

 “Enty, re-entry, and exit wounds”... 

Big Mike took hits after he turned and rushed the officer, with his head down as if to tackle the cop, and hence, took one in the top of the head.

We still need more detail of the ME report,  but certainly appears plausible.

 

 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 19:03 | 5111323 bitterwolf
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Put down the bottle and let your boyfriend drive sally.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 19:31 | 5111567 Dingleberry
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Cunt-ullus is so fucking stupid he doesn't even know he's a leftist.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 19:33 | 5111582 MrButtoMcFarty
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Nothing supports it except the facts.

Stings don't it?

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 19:48 | 5111688 dreadnaught
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LINK us to some facts bananna brain

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 04:30 | 5113307 Urban Redneck
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You make not be a leftist, but your posts reek of libtardedness, and he right to question your judgement.

The problem is not the (or any) gun.

A gun is only a tool.

If someone is intent on killing, or doing serious harm to another, no gun is necessary.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:50 | 5111272 Escrava Isaura
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MarsInScorpio,

I think what some people fail to realize is that, once you start shooting, you don’t stop it right away. Brazilians cops face these types of scenarios “close army confrontation” quite often. And if You Tube it, it’s an adrenaline ‘self-defense’ thing.

I don’t think that they can tell if hit the target, until the suspect is on the floor.

Note: I am not defending the bad Brazilian cops, here. It’s just an observation of mine. Again, go in You Tube and check it yourself.  

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 19:02 | 5111325 Ward cleaver
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My sister is one of those "there's good and bad blah blah blah". So
I asked her If a train pulls in and in one car is a group of
Highway school "students" swinging from the ceiling and the next car has
a group of Swedish tourists, it wouldn't matter to her which car she got
In.,.,,total silence. LOL Fing self hating white morons.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:31 | 5111164 MsCreant
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I am a female. I am half this guy's weight (reports say anywhere from 275 to 295, well over 6 feet tall). He comes at me, telling me he is going to hurt me, asking me "What am I going to do about it?" I have a carry permit, training, and a gun on me.

What should I do?

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:38 | 5111196 Catullus
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Protect yourself, by all means. But expect to explain yourself if you kill the guy. Fair?

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:43 | 5111219 MsCreant
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You bet. I expect the same apply to the cop in question. He should explain himself.

He is not a murderer, yet. I don't have all the facts, none of us do.

Obama's speechwriters got that right.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:44 | 5111234 kaiserhoff
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Thanks for the info on the entry wounds.

Getting the truth out of Ferguson is like pulling molars.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 19:22 | 5111499 Catullus
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Then forgive me. I'm not going to wait for all the facts, if there really are any additional relevant facts. I don't have to give the cop the benefit of the doubt. It's prima facie murder. Facts can come in to say otherwise, but until then, the cop belongs in jail awaiting trial. There's plenty to indict the guy as is. And the cop can present those facts before a jury.

"Bumrushing", feared for his life, felt that the kid may take his gun away... whatever. Nice little theories people have concocted.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 19:34 | 5111575 MsCreant
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Would you keep me in jail until my trial? Would you label it "prima facie murder" in my hypothetical situation as I laid it out above?

Edit: It does not matter, but I have not marked you down.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 19:34 | 5111588 Catullus
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Yes.

Why do you think you shouldn't be detained?

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 19:40 | 5111627 MsCreant
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Because there is an entire process that we must go through. You don't just throw me in jail and I stay there until my trial. Detained a bit, yes.

http://criminal.lawyers.com/criminal-law-basics/the-criminal-justice-pro...

 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 19:47 | 5111675 Catullus
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So once you're arrested and arraigned, do you mind telling me why you think you shouldn't be detained?

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 20:03 | 5111809 MsCreant
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Read on to the part about bail. 

I think a judge will set an amount and I will then need to go to a bail bondsman to arrange for it. I think I will be out walking around until my trial. And actually, I think I would never be charged in the first place because most cops would investigate the situation and determine that I genuinely feared for my life, in which case, in my state, it is okay for me to shoot the man, even 6 times.

Like the cop may have been afraid for his life... 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 20:50 | 5112000 Catullus
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And that's where the cops don't need to be the judge or the jury or the executioner. And that's the whole point of this. And that's why people are angry. The laws don't apply to some people.

 

The part on bail reads this way "f a judge believes that a defendant may flee from the court's jurisdiction or otherwise fail to appear, or if the crime charged is extremely serious, then bail may be denied or set at such a high figure that a defendant may not realistically be able to post bail." Think murder falls under 'extremely serious'?

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 22:04 | 5112407 MsCreant
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Most of the murder trials in my area, they walk around free until their trial. Seriously. I too have been shocked who they will let walk around. If the crime is really bad they set a million dollar plus bail, which most cannot make. But I know of a guy walking around right now who probably raped and murdered someone. He is a CEO and philanthropist so he can afford not one but two of the very best criminal lawyers in town. 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 19:37 | 5111604 Bollixed
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I'd give it a break. The more you post the more stupid you sound. Now you're in favor of doing the exact same things you're condeming such as violating other's rights before you have any facts as to their guilt.

 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 19:45 | 5111667 Catullus
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The more snarky, unsubstaniated comments you leave, the more you look like a cop cocksucker.

The DA has everything he needs to indict. He's got a dead body, he knows who did it, and he knows the person killed was unarmed. The accused has rights, and he can present his side of the story. In court. And the cop can argue the facts presented against him.

So try not to let a cop for murder while you're waiting for all these mysterious facts to come in.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 19:53 | 5111737 Bollixed
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"The DA has everything he needs to indict. He's got a dead body, he knows who did it, and he knows the person killed was unarmed."

Your grasp of the law is minimal at best. Should we arrest those who order drone strikes on unarmed civilians and kill them? Or is your brand of justice just for cops?

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 20:41 | 5111995 Catullus
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What am I missing here? Just come out a fucking say it. Don't hide behind you silly little lines.

You don't seem to understand how basic this really is. Or how fucking serious it is.

And yes, arrest those who order drone strikes. Court martial those who violate international law. "Following orders" isn't a defense either.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 19:02 | 5111321 Nick Jihad
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If you are armed, and you are attacked by an unarmed man who is 6'4" and 290lbs, you have to consider that if you do not shoot him, he will soon be armed, with your weapon.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:32 | 5111171 usednabused
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Arby, that island would be so full of politicians and corporate insiders that you couldn't fit a common thief in between them. Thats if it truly was a place to send those who thought their fucking shit didn't stink....

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 19:17 | 5111461 whoopsing
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You must be talking about Long Island Usednabused , cause it certainly fits the bill

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 20:45 | 5112027 Infinite QE
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The problem and the society is already over the waterfall. This is a design that's been running since the mid-60's. Destroy the society by breaking up the family units, insert disharmonic cultural elements via talmud controlled music, media, books, film, architecture, modern art, you name it. All a plan to take mankind further out of harmony with the natural order. It's basic science and math at it's core. Harmony can be measured and created as can its antithesis.

Letting the black culture run wild as victims, similar script to the talmuds, has taken out the natural fusebox society would have in place. Just look at this issue. One gangbanger out causing documented chaos takes a running wild man charge at a cop and gets what most people with a pulsing IQ would know happens, lead. Stop. Buried. In a fuseboxed society this issue would have been buried shortly after the gangbanger. But no, there is an agenda, and tons of money being pored onto that agenda like napalm.

Can harmony be restored? Is isolating the cancerous elements the answer?  Big question and one who's bullet-train is blasting towards us at 300mph.

 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:20 | 5111096 MarsInScorpio
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Brown was a 6-4, 297-pound strong-arm felony thug "bumrushing" the cop just 35-feet away.

 

If you are the size of a nose guard, and rush a cop, expect to get shot in self-defense.

 

Sorry to break it to all the Black Racists, anjd their Apologists, but your "chile" is a monster of a grown man who brought about his own death, a la Trayvon Martin.

 

As for what happens from here out, either there will be order in society, or like the terrfied shop owner whom Brown strong-armed and was now afraid for his life if the thugs thought he "snitched" on Brown, there will be a return to the law of the jungle - where more than a few of these people appear to have just recently evacuated and come to Ferguson.

 

The shop owner may as well leave town now before someone kills him no matter what he did - and who is going to be dumb enough to open up a business in a town where you have to worry about these crazy thugs gunning you down?

-30-

 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:29 | 5111148 Catullus
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Thanks. You can be the cop's defense attorney when he pleads for his life about he was "bumrushed" yet no one backs that story.

Instead, we have a dead, unarmed teenager and shots fired from a police officer's gun.

What's the cop's state of mind? Are you sure he's not a racist? Are sure he didn't know the kid already? Or purhaps you can tell us why he fired 6 shots instead of 1. Your client's going to need to explain all of this.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:38 | 5111198 Infinite QE
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Google the story about the Skokie cop who had to pump about 40 rounds into one of the cracked out porch monkeys who was shooting away at him in a car chase. In the hospital the dirt bag was being treated next to the cop and the scumbag doctor was complaining about how many holes the monkey had in him. Thankfully the fuck passed but changed that policemans life forever. Eric Holder won't be following up on that one I am sure.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:39 | 5111201 MsCreant
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In gun training, we are told to shoot as long as it takes to stop the person attacking you or others. It may have taken 6 bullets to do it.  I have been told my 38 Ladysmith is not good enough because it only holds 5 rounds. In a tight spot, 5 may not be enough to stop an attacker. 

I am not saying I am sure this cop is justified. But even in this environment where we have an over militarized police force, I will judge each situation individually. There are no blanket answers. I am sure I need to know a lot more than I do now about this case. See my post above, I can imagine a situation where I might shoot him 6 times even if he is unarmed.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:49 | 5111271 kaiserhoff
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Malcolm Gladwell had a great piece on this subject.  In a life threatening situation, everyone gets tunnel vision.  You don't see well.  You don't hear.  The cop probably had no idea how many times he fired.

Your perception of time is greatly altered, and you may think the gun has misfired several times or all your shots are missing.  In short, in a panic, most people will empty the magazine.

 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 19:08 | 5111366 Catullus
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The Malcolm Gladwell defense!

Shit, forget everything I said about being accountable for your own actions. Why? Because Malcolm Gladwell

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 19:14 | 5111439 kaiserhoff
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Have you ever shot anything more powerful than a cap gun?

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 19:24 | 5111518 Catullus
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5 years in the navy. Yes.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 19:43 | 5111642 kaiserhoff
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You clearly don't know who Gladwell is.  Not my cup of tea.  Gay, Canadian, half Jamaican, National champion distance runner...  Most successful writer the New Yorker has had since Updike.  His pieces are not left or right, they just supply answers, based on solid research.   And yes, if it comes to that, I'll make sure the defense team knows about the "Gladwell defense",  but I'm sure I won't be the only one.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 19:51 | 5111711 Catullus
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Clearly I missed the point

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 04:43 | 5113318 Urban Redneck
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Did the navy change practice and actually start training sailors in the use of rifles and sidearms, or are you talking about (and conflating the destructive capability of) personal firearms with artillery and HMGs?

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 19:08 | 5111363 bitterwolf
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Dont worry ,the good news is under stress the officer fired his weapon accurately until the threat stopped. We can all take pride in the officers marksmanship training that our tax money paid for.

Cheers

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:31 | 5111163 Infinite QE
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Armed as a low-life gangbanger, probably wacked out on bath-salts or crack or whatever the rage is now in low-life town. Poof. Bye-bye. No one will miss you.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:21 | 5111100 Buster Cherry
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Mike Brown was not shot in the back. The autopsy showed that all the shots happened when he was ATTACKING the cop.

There, fixed it for ya....

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:25 | 5111108 Catullus
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The autopsy revealed the cop was being attacked? Sure about that?

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:50 | 5110929 Bollixed
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Shot in the back?

You need to ditch your television...

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:55 | 5110955 Slarti Bartfast
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He can go and loot one in Ferguson.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:25 | 5111131 Translational Lift
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If you shoot someone in the back, you're a murderer.

Hey....If caught someone that hurt, abused (choose your type), raped anyone in my family I would shoot them in the back, front, head and up the ass............

and wouldn't have to think twice about it!!!

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:30 | 5111160 Catullus
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Thanks. Then kindly shoot yourself afterward so we don't have to jail you for the rest of your miserable existence.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:49 | 5110911 Meat Hammer
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Tyler, stick with the pic of Obama with the teleprompter hat.  It always makes me LOL.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:49 | 5110912 MsCreant
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<--Sharpton and Jackson

<--Eric Holder

 

Which of these folks would you rather have come to your community to help ease "race relations?"

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:53 | 5110945 Keyser
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None of the above...

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:10 | 5111030 kaiserhoff
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Maxine Waters. 

That much ugly shocks everyone back to "reset."

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:21 | 5111098 BeetleBailey
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no surprise you have 0 to 0....like picking shit vs. poo

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:50 | 5110913 NoWayJose
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Cheapest solution - $25 million to Brown's family, $1 million to the cop so he can move to beachfront in Costa Rica plus double salary for life if he keeps quiet and agrees to move. Then have the politicians say what they want. Overtime for police, highway patrol and National Guard plus looting and destruction is already well over that amount.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:57 | 5110965 arby63
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Undoubtedly correct. Someone call Boner and get the bill through the house. 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:20 | 5111089 usednabused
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How about a pistol and a box of bullets and 5 minutes with the cop in a locked room for the Brown family. That'd be a lot cheaper yet, and much more fair.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:29 | 5111157 Infinite QE
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Some low-life gang banger goes to meet his maker and people get all wacked out and burn down a town. Jeez. No wonder Amerika is the laughing stock of the world. Oh, and I heard today that the coroner reporter shows the kid was shot from the front, not the back like the libtards were out prancing about spouting.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:38 | 5111203 usednabused
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Well then whats the deal about there being a 4 hour delay to call an ambulance? Whats up with nary a powder burn or mark on the victim? How about the wounds through the top oof the head and through the right eye exiting through the jaw and then through the shoulder bone? Doesn't appear to me that a 5'6" cop could shoot a guy thats 6'5" in that manner unless the victim was on the ground. Theres an awful lot of doubt about that cop being anything decent at all. But feel free to donate to his defense fund.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:43 | 5111227 Infinite QE
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Who the hell really knows. It could all be another Sandy Hook Nose Hoax for all we know, but getting all wacked out because some gang-banger died, shit 30 die every week in Chicago at their own hands.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 04:59 | 5113326 Urban Redneck
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Why would someone call an ambulance for a dead guy?

With two shots to the head, he wasn't mostly dead he was and still is all dead.

Perhaps you meant a coroner (who may or may not have his own meat wagon, but would generally would have to sign off before EMTs would be allowed to remove a corpse from a crime scene)...

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:50 | 5110916 sosoome
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"I’ve got to make sure that I don’t look like I’m putting my thumb on the scales one way or the other."

Not that he won't be putting his fingers on the scales.

 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:07 | 5111016 Ponzi Pontiff
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"Dont look like I'm putting my thumb up my ass"

FIFY

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 19:12 | 5111408 Nick Jihad
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- and putting Eric Holder's ass on the scales of justice. 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:49 | 5110918 Uncle Sugar
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"There are young black men that commit crime. And -- and -- and we can argue about why that happens"

 

No mention of their upbringing. It's all society's fault. You damn racissts. /s

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:10 | 5110985 Keyser
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There are much darker forces at play in the long-game...

The destruction of the family unit began in the 1960's with the advent of Women's Liberation and with women being forced into the workforce.. This in turn was the downfall of the family unit as no one was left at home to raise and nurture children... The first generation of "latch-key" kids came in the 1970's... Now, 3 generations later, the family unit is dead, with parents not knowing how to raise a child, then blaming society...  And all directed by guess who? The Rothschild family... 

http://www.rense.com/general74/make.htm

 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:24 | 5111116 Monty Burns
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Correct. And supplemented by the promotion of pornography, admiration for sexual deviants, undermining of art and ethnic solidarity.  A multi-facted program originating from the same source you identify.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:50 | 5110920 bmoreland
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What role does the Federal Government play in what appears to be a State/Local issue?

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:51 | 5110934 buzzsaw99
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that way they get to try the poor cop as many times as it takes without double jeopardy attached

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:50 | 5110927 Ponzi Pontiff
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This comment thread cannot be considered complete until InTheMix96 posts, with his obligatory (and well-aimed in this case) use of the word "cunt".

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:50 | 5110930 loregnum
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Translation: All blacks are upstanding citizens who would like to sing kumbaya with you and bake you cupcakes but because of the evil white man and those evil slave owners 150+ years ago many of these black folk have turned to crime to deal with this horribly racist society and many simply can't act civilized because of the evil white man holding them down as seen by all those millionaire black celebrities, lawyers, doctors, etc. Meanwhile, any white people who are in jail are in there because they are scumbags and deserve it as they have had the world handed to them.

I am so sick of this view how no blacks should ever be held responsible for their actions as there is always someone else to blame for why they may and go do something illegal or be living in poverty with their 45 babies because condoms are like kryptonite for most blacks. Yes, there are blacks who have been given the shim sham in life and some do get unfarily treated but there are also whites who get the same shim sham and nobody EVER talks about that. 

 

 

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 21:59 | 5112375 eclectic syncretist
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A continually present, involved, and loving father and mother during childhood and into adulthood would likely make a lot of the bad stats on black kids go away imho.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 05:04 | 5113329 Urban Redneck
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But that wouldn't do anything solve the problems with the current batch of defective models, and it is a bit late to simply return them to the manufacturer.

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 18:08 | 5110933 Itchy and Scratchy
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Instead of bloviating mindlessly & recklessly on the unfairness & insensitivity of our existance how about you just abbreviate to: Due Process? Save your wind for something useful!

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:53 | 5110937 buzzsaw99
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holder is the one who should be in prison

Mon, 08/18/2014 - 17:53 | 5110938 Keltner Channel Surf
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Would have preferred he "deploy' Biden to Europa.  Scientists suspect there might be a liquid ocean there.  

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