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WHO Urges "Exit Screening" Of All Travelers In Ebola-Infected Countries As Reported Cases Go Parabolic
In its strongest-worded statement yet, the World Health Organization is urging strengthened international cooperation to stop transmission of Ebola to other countries. Most critically, WHO urges: "Affected countries are requested to conduct exit screening of all persons at international airports, seaports and major land crossings, for unexplained febrile illness consistent with potential Ebola infection." Falling short on banning international travel, WHO does warn non-affected countries to strengthen the capacity to detect and immediately contain new cases. Of course, in the interests of avoiding panic, they reiterate the risk of infection on a flight is low - which seems odd given that we get a cold every time we fly...
Full WHO Statement:
The current Ebola Virus Disease (EVD) outbreak is believed to have begun in Guinea in December 2013. This outbreak now involves community transmission in Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone and recently an ill traveller from Liberia infected a small number of people in Nigeria with whom he had direct contact.
On 8 August 2014, the World Health Organization (WHO) declared the Ebola virus disease outbreak in West Africa a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC) in accordance with the International Health Regulations (2005).
In order to support the global efforts to contain the spread of the disease and provide a coordinated international response for the travel and tourism sector, the heads of the World Health Organization (WHO), the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO), the World Tourism Organization (UNWTO), Airports Council International (ACI), International Air Transport Association (IATA) and the World Travel and Tourism Council (WTTC) decided to activate a Travel and Transport Task Force which will monitor the situation and provide timely information to the travel and tourism sector as well as to travellers.
The risk of transmission of Ebola virus disease during air travel is low. Unlike infections such as influenza or tuberculosis, Ebola is not spread by breathing air (and the airborne particles it contains) from an infected person. Transmission requires direct contact with blood, secretions, organs or other body fluids of infected living or dead persons or animals, all unlikely exposures for the average traveller. Travellers are, in any event, advised to avoid all such contacts and routinely practice careful hygiene, like hand washing.
The risk of getting infected on an aircraft is also small as sick persons usually feel so unwell that they cannot travel and infection requires direct contact with the body fluids of the infected person.
Most infections in Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone, are taking place in the community when family members or friends take care of someone who is ill or when funeral preparation and burial ceremonies do not follow strict infection prevention and control measures.
A second important place where transmission can occur is in clinics and other health care settings, when health care workers, patients, and other persons have unprotected contact with a person who is infected. In Nigeria, cases are related only to persons who had direct contact with a single traveller who was hospitalized upon arrival in Lagos.
It is important to note that a person who is infected is only able to spread the virus to others after the infected person has started to have symptoms. A person usually has no symptoms for two to 21 days (the “incubation period”). Symptoms include fever, weakness, muscle pain, headache and sore throat. This is followed by vomiting, diarrhoea, rash, and in some cases, bleeding.
The risk of a traveller becoming infected with the Ebola virus during a visit to the affected countries and developing disease after returning is very low, even if the visit includes travel to areas in which cases have been reported.
If a person, including a traveller, stayed in the areas where Ebola cases have been recently reported, he/she should seek medical attention at the first sign of illness (fever, headache, achiness, sore throat, diarrhoea, vomiting, stomach pain, rash, red eyes, and in some cases, bleeding). Early treatment can improve prognosis.
Strengthened international cooperation is needed, and should support action to contain the virus, stop transmission to other countries and mitigate the effects in those affected.
Affected countries are requested to conduct exit screening of all persons at international airports, seaports and major land crossings, for unexplained febrile illness consistent with potential Ebola infection. Any person with an illness consistent with EVD should not be allowed to travel unless the travel is part of an appropriate medical evacuation. There should be no international travel of Ebola contacts or cases, unless the travel is part of an appropriate medical evacuation.
Non-affected countries need to strengthen the capacity to detect and immediately contain new cases, while avoiding measures that will create unnecessary interference with international travel or trade.
The World Health Organization (WHO) does not recommend any ban on international travel or trade, in accordance with advice from the WHO Ebola Emergency Committee.
Travel restrictions and active screening of passengers on arrival at sea ports, airports or ground crossings in non-affected countries that do not share borders with affected countries are not currently recommended by WHO.
Worldwide, countries should provide their citizens traveling to Ebola-affected countries with accurate and relevant information on the Ebola outbreak and measures to reduce the risk of exposure.
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As we warned last week, the pace of cases reported is exploding...
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Exploding? These "folks" have not seen anything yet...
LOL Exploding...
Screening for what? being infected with something that has yet to display any symptoms?
Whatdafugisgoinonhere?
I mean, why not just bottle the shit up and spray it from airplanes since it's not airborne....
er...
wait.....
what do you call an exploding ape??? a bamboom
Good luck quarantining all travelers with weakness,
muscle pain, or headache for 21 days.
And anybody badly hungover by that reckoning.
Running out of room on that particular graph...
"while avoiding measures that will create unnecessary interference with international travel or trade."
They gonna blame the next numbers miss on ebola?
I think letting the virus spread even more would impact the economy in a much greater fashion than containing it.
“He open his mouth and gasps into the bag, and the vomiting goes on
endlessly. It will not stop, and he keeps bringing up liquid, long after
his stomach should have been empty. The airsickness bag fills up to
the brim with a substance known as the vomito negro, or the black vomit.
The black vomit is not really black; it is a speckled liquid of two
colors, black and red, a stew of tarry granules mixed with fresh red
arterial blood. It is hemorrhage, and it smells like a slaughterhouse.
The black vomit is loaded with virus.”
- Richard Preston, The Hot Zone
Plenty of cheap flight still available!!!!!
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Once again, good luck identifying and then quarantining all travelers with weakness, muscle pain, or headache for 21 days.
"in the interests of avoiding panic..."
Hell, I'm thinking that a good dose of panic might just be in order.
I saw a study by BBC in London, people tend not to panic. Even when they were told there was a fire and people could see smoke.
Not even investors panic sell, thats what the robots are for.
That may be the problem, nobody panics when they should.
And still, yet, another day, from Atlanta we hear...
Crickets.
the World Health Organization is urging strengthened international cooperation to stop transmission of Ebola to other countries"
Translation: enough vectors have already escaped Nigeria under our watchful eye to ensure a global pandemic
http://daisyhouse.bandcamp.com/track/plague-song
I get a strong feeling that an Ebola outbreak in the US will be used as a cover for the collapse of the economy (definitely not the CB's fault) and national martial law.
It's amazing that the economy is more important than risking a widespread pandemic, which in itself would be devastating for the economy.
It's just a good thing the PTB have transported it to the North American and European continents where it can be controlled and studied.
The future of open societies: go extinct.
Who gives a shit if transmission of Ebola during air travel seems unlikely to WHO? What happens when the infected land, get sick and must be dealt with by personnel that are not prepared?
What the fuck is wrong with these fucking people? Don't they understand that this disease may now be transmitted in ways that even they, the mighty WHO, do not understand?
V for Vendetta
Shit. If they start refusing all passengers having red eyes departing from California and Colorado there won't be any airlines that can stay in business there.
sound is too squeezy, too much EQ to make bass low & voice bright. total lack of low med overall compression to make amalgamation on the sounds, no GLUE effect.
bad montors, must change. coz the biased sound still very accurate in the tweaking. very sad. talented people but monitors must be changed.
music deserves to be spread. nice song.
Never panic.
Scared shitless is the way to go - makes you cautious.
Panic makes people do dumb things.
I find the term "black vomit" to be racist.
Would you accept "arterial vomit".
.
Then you must find the word "black", itself, racist. Maybe instead of calling Africans black we should call them "white challenged".
Caucasian impaired
And then, to add to the suspense, there are the CONNECTING flights to other US and EU destinations.
I recently flew on a plane that came from Chicago, and there were several "African" looking passengers on the plane -- all of them within a few seats of me. Boy, was I nervous, and kept a vigilant but discreet eye on a couple. A woman who could not decide if she was hot or cold, and a guy who kept coughing. And get this: NO one reacted in the slightest to his coughing fit. Political Correctness will kill us. Literally.
Anyway... if they were OK and I'm OK [cough, cough], let me tell you that I won't be flying for a while. Come to think of it... [cough, cough]
Hey, Scotty [cough, cough] how are those damn repairs on the Transporter and Warp Drive coming along? [cough, cough]
You had best get Bones in a laboratory, stat.
Don't worry. It is not airborne...
/sarc
From...
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/ebola-may-go-airborne
Transmission of the virus — which causes an often fatal hemorrhagic fever in people and primates — was thought to require direct contact with body fluids from an infected animal or person. But in the new study, published online November 15 in Scientific Reports, piglets infected with Ebola passed the virus to macaques housed in the same room even though the animals never touched.
“The evidence that the virus got from a pig to a monkey through a respiratory route is good,” says Glenn Marsh, a molecular virologist at the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization’s Animal Health Laboratory in Geelong, Australia. Marsh was not involved in the new study but has investigated Ebola and other viruses in pigs.
But we can just IGNORE THE DATA SET as it does NOT FIT OUR THEORY ABOUT TRANSMISSION because we are good scientists at WHO and we know what we are writing about. We are AUTHORITIES and you, Science Illiterates, need to trust your authorities.
We just ignore the principles of the Scientific Method but that need give you no cause for alarm....because...we are authorities and know when to ignore that data for expedience' sake.
Damn this makes me fucking sick. The politicization of Science combined with the lack of Professional Ethics is going to kill all of us.
The contempt for the danger of this illness is extremely suspicious.
Right. Where's that explanation of how totally suited health care workers caught the virus? Oops. The Nile, a river in Egypt. Denial. Same thing I guess.
I'm concerned I can get it reading his post.
Are my posts that infectious?
;- )
There is no need for either genetic mutation or bioweapon engineering to make ebola airborne.
The potential role of toilets as a vector for transmission of infectious disease
Aerosol Generation by Modern Flush Toilets
Significance of Fomites in the Spread of Respiratory and Enteric Viral Disease
Aerobiology and Its Role in the Transmission of Infectious Diseases
Risk of Norovirus Transmission during Air Travel
Microbiological Hazards of Household Toilets: Droplet Production and the Fate of Residual Organisms
Potential for aerosolization of Clostridium difficile after flushing toilets: the role of toilet lids in reducing environmental contamination risk
Case Studies Exposure Potentials During Cleaning, Overhauling and Repairing of Aircraft Lavatory Tanks and Hardware
There are hundreds more... And of course the WHO is unaware of them... Margaret Chan isn't actually just doing her best Jean-Claude Juncker impersonation...
Once passengers are on an airplane it is too late. But since the spice must flow, and the Ponzi must be maintained-- the only halfway dysfunctional solution would be a massive health presence in the African airport terminals evaluating everyone who enters the terminals, not just those boarding the airplanes.
And then there's just plain shitting in your seat on the plane....
http://blog.sfgate.com/sfmoms/2014/07/28/child-poops-on-airplane-seat/
... not that it matters anyhow....
Now, now, the grandparents did at least put down some newspaper first. :-/
fall come, no more signal on medias in europ, 2 cases.
1 ) contained, no need to speak more to afraid masse.
2) total out of control, real number are about 10k, impossible to say truth that is 10x, need to not tell masses to avoid total panic & shooting at will any coughing human at sight while crossing fingers to go back in case n°1
until you not see man in white with total plastic suits down the streets like in E.T, should be ok.
Urgh - great quote HH, from a very scary book. ("I will beat you with a stick!")
Have you been following Yoichi Shimatsu over at rense.com? He's been posting some fascinating perspectives on this outbreak; part 4 just went up today. http://www.rense.com/general96/didebola.html
Thanx! and wtf have we been doing?...
"Since it is impossible to directly destroy flagellates without potentially disastrous consequences to the environment, what can be done to knock out ebola at the source? If its reservoir is found in the figs of te ficus family, nothing can be done short of leveling the rain-forest. The reservoir microorganism is probably not inside fig tree due to the fruit’s powerful enzymes and the overwhelming presence of yeast, which crowds out flagellates from access to sugar.
If, instead, the flagellate’s host tree happens to be a relatively scarce species, it can be cut down inside ape sanctuaries and around villages. No reservoir, no trypanosomatid, no ebola, it’s that simple. Long Live the Planet of the Apes."
I like that; I really like figuring out how things work/went down - the chlorine connection is classic unintended consequences.
But there's more, as always. You should check out all the parts - they're linked in the left sidebar high up on rense.com; part 3 is:
http://www.rense.com/general96/ebobreakout.html
"The Ebola Outbreak Coincided With UN Vaccine Campaigns"
Investigative reporting, so rare these days.
The Ebola Breakout CoincidedWith UN Vaccine Campaigns - See more at: http://www.rense.com/general96/ebobreakout.html#sthash.m28QJGND.dpuf The Ebola Breakout Coincided
With UN Vaccine Campaigns - See more at: http://www.rense.com/general96/ebobreakout.html#sthash.m28QJGND.dpuf
Damn for 2k ISIS can book some Ebola dude and send him over! That is probably as good of a deal as suicide vest. We are SO fucked.
Yes. Good thing we've got the southern border covered!
I thought the first part of your comment was lyrics from a rap song.
Flights TO Africa will be empty soon enough. That will shut the suckers down.
There is no leadership, only sabotage.
Africa will be empty soon enough...
So will the rest of Planet Earth as far as that is concerned.
Besides...They will just double the airfare FROM Africa to cover the cost of flying.
That will ensure it.
I'm confused here. Is the WHO stating that blacks are 8X more susceptible to catching the Ebola bug than whites? Is that what I read?
I don't see that, what part?
Woman Quarantined in New Mexico Today http://www.koat.com/news/health-dept-working-with-cdc-to-rule-out-ebola-in-patient/27566304?tru=bFQpTK#comments
That chart looks a bit like the S&P.
I wonder how long before blood is being spit out all over the place.
I know I've been bleeding out my eyes for quite a while now.
Coulda been worse...
You coulda been short the S&P today and bleeding somewhere else entirely
According to the WHO:
"Between 12 and 13 August 2014, a total of 152 new cases of Ebola virus disease (laboratory-confirmed, probable, and suspect cases) as well as 76 deaths were reported from Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria and Sierra Leone."
-- http://www.who.int/csr/don/2014_08_15_ebola/en/
That's a fuckton more then is represented on that chart. Now that we're over 2k infected - the next milestone with be when we hit the the 10k level. From there, if we don't see a dramatic decline in virulance or mortality rate, y'all better start getting your houses in order.
I'd start now
" if we don't see a dramatic decline in virulance or mortality rate, y'all better start getting your houses in order."
Truth.
I remember watching a TV series, I think in the 80's where a virus wiped out modern civilisation. it focused on a group of survivors and how they sustained life and protected themselves against incoming threats.
Just remembered "Survivors" was the name, it been playing on my mind for days. They survived by isolation, until it burnt itself out.
You either isolate the Threat or Isolate yourself. Looks like the authorities are not capable the first.
Being nice to people, and politically correct aren't an option!
Hungover is the only way to fly.
These asshats know this isn't going to work. The only thing that is going to stop it from spreading overseas is to stop all international travel from these countries and not let anyone across the borders. Fat chance that happens until every fucking country is infected and then it is too late.
Yes, and if the virus changes its behavior? What about one of those one in a thousand people infected that might become a carrier, and show no symptoms? Or simply become contagious a couple of days prior to showing symptoms? The more people that get infected, the higher chance of this virus making it's way from person to person through mutation, instead of just leaping to humans via infected animal carriers every few years. Once established with positive growth numbers in the human population, this could be worse than Washington's policies.
The TSA will catch these ones:
Prolonged cases are often complicated by the occurrence of long-term problems, such as inflammation of the testicles
Screening won't help with this virus having an incubation period of 3 weeks. They should indeed quarantine all travellers with or without 'weakness' for 21 days.
And this must be done in such a careful fahsion so they can't be infected during this 21 day quarantine period. Good luck indeed.
The Zaire strain of Ebola did not even show up in tests. It was undetectable until fully symptomatic.
I think she's talking about headaches, like the one your gonna get after not sleepin for 90 days.
>> Reported Cases Go Parabolic
NUMBERS and METRICS .... where are they in this report? Last I heard it was ~1050 deaths. What is the case count now?
2127 infections (all catagories) and 1145 deaths according to the WHO http://www.who.int/csr/don/2014_08_15_ebola/en/
Of course with that hospital "raid" - who the fuck really knows at this point?
The official numbers will increasingly matter for ziltch, going forward. The infected won't be able to get anywhere near hospitals, least of all be counted.
That's when they'll run out of superlatives to describe it. Watch for things like "incomprehensibly grim" or "disaster beyond human imagination" and you'll know we have arrived.
Yes! Like the drought. First its a severe drought. Beyond that, it's extreme, and exceptional drought. And there's still some water left. What's next? For the virus: Well, now it's an ass-kicking level six, moving to an exceptional level six! Maybe, oh wow! It's going to be...?? Either way, half or more of all patients are terminally inconvenienced. I did like the 'incomprehensively grim'. Maybe we can build on that one.
2127 infected and 1145 deaths as of AUG 13th. And with bodies just being dumped in the streets, I doubt that every body is being tested and counted.
Airlines that have blocked flights into affected countries are doing it for the media. They can stop their flights from Africa to Europe, but they are still picking up all the same passengers on connections and flying them on to other locations.
Blocking air travel out of those countries only works if every airline does it. And lets just say they do -- the economic situation in those countries will just deteriorate further, making it spiral out of control faster. So even the solution comes with its own problems.
If I was as righteous and determined as IS appear to be, I'd already have a dozen people collecting samples for their journey to the lands of the infidels.
Europe, the USA, Brazil, and China. That's where I'd send them for maximum effect.
Just as well they're but capable of strategic planning like those guys that took the oil fields and dams. Oh wait...
I've thought the same thing...
IS sends some guys to play Spin the Bottle in Lagos, waltz right across the Mexican border in a sombrero, no one bats an eye
ya, we're really lucky to have both secure borders, secure screening, and no foreign entities that actually want to harm us, if they did we'd be fucked.
Actually, that happens sometimes. I've received TB specimens from ME men trying to cross the border. Many don't have even fake Mexican IDs but try to pose as Mexican. One would only give his name in Arabic so Border Patrol sent me the specimen labled jujujuju trying to imitate it.
Of course, who knows how many make it across without being apprehended.
Miffed;-)
I guess Burger King will have to put on hold its plans to open a MonkeyMeat franchise in Monrovia, Liberia.
"You Are Not Nearly Scared Enough About Ebola" by Laurie Garrett
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/08/14/you_are_not_nearly_scared_enough_ebola_vaccine_west_africa_outbreak
Watched the movie Contagion last nght...
http://wwws.aa.warnerbros.com/contagion/index.html#/trailer
Well done. Realistic scenario if Ebola gets out of control.
Where are the updated case numbers? It's getting late in Geneva.
They will be seasonally adjusted because fuckin economics is more important than keeping the public safe. This is just beginning. Air travel shoulda been shutdown weeks ago. Its outta the bag. Tick tock....
Can"t let a good pandemic go to waste.
Lets see another weeks figures before we panic.
Does the BLS release them Thursday or Friday ?
Oh dear.
" fuckin economics is more important"
Sadly very true, as we have seen confirmed many times now.
What a pack of idiots.
Tenshin Headache, if that headache won't go away... maybe you should see "un médecin"?
Good point on the case numbers. By the time they're published, nobody will be left to read them.
Horse...Barndoor.
No doubt. WTF? I thought I heard they were doing this two weeks ago. I hope they were doing at least some screening before now.
Think of the children!
my fly isn't down
When will we learn of infections beyond west africa?
Remember that sweaty chick who sneezed in the salad bar when you were....
After we take over the country's and find out where it came from. Then they are ours because we saved them from themselves.
I'm just wondering... does anyone in Africa really need to board a jet and fly anywhere????? I mean, why???
To get the experimental Ebola treatment only available in America, that's why.
It's that sort of imperialist attitude that would make several billion people on this planet very happy if every man, woman, and child in the United States were to die.
The proper question is- does anyone in your country need to board a jet and fly anywhere?
It's not that difficult for a country to seal its own borders if so chooses.
In 2 to 21 days?
21 Days Later.
Title of a movie 10 years from now.
After pelosi votes for it?
as soon as tptb's shut the door to the mothership
http://virologydownunder.blogspot.pt/2014/08/ebola-pigs-primates-and-peo...
See my comments at the end of the post, with all links that indicate possible :
- asymptomatic transmission
- infection through sweat
- insect vector
WHO are fucking morons.
You can safely breathe the the air when on a flight.
But be carefull not to touch the seat, seat cushions, carpets, overhead bins, seat belt, food trays, washroom doors, window blinds, or the dead horse in the seat next to you.
If I can't fondle the dead horse, why would I fly?
Certainly those people who survive it (given the lower than initially dramatized death rate of 60%), will be Asymptomatic. For how long?
Certainly weeks, probably for months -- given that it remains active in sperm for 70-80 days. This will give the term "dumb fuck" a whole new meaning, for both parties participating.
IIRC the only known pig > monkey transmission was involving the restonii strain and did indeed take place in a lab (where else would you find both pigs and monkeys in the same room). Restonii does infect humans just as easily (and in this case did just that) but apparently then creates no disease at all. If my reading of the post is incorrect and this is the Zaire strain, I'd like that clarified.
yup...one of the signals for end times. Right on schedule.
Remain calm, now !
The time for preparation is almost over.
Preparing for the End Times.
Sounds like a waste of time actually, if it really is the end.
Indeed. If it is, may it be a life well-lived.
But you don't need the incentive of it being end times to live your life well. Though I hope a life well-lived doesn't imply 40 years of financial fraud, cuz that would suck.
Living life well despite what the bastards are doing, that's the key. Whether it's financial fraud or a hemorhaggic virus, you have to find some way to make the time count.
It seems like a perfectly good time to panic to me.
Look on the bright side.
There would have been no Renaisance without the incredible death toll from a pandemic.
This next "Renaissance" is going to look a little bit different methinks. . .
And might be an Asian Renaissance this time. In which case we won't be able to call it that, because renaissance is French.
It will be called you like happy smart time.
Exponential growth is a bitch.
Alf Einstein was famously quoted as saying "The most powerful force in the universe is compound interest"..... Geometrical progression, bitchez!
Looks like the doubling time is roughly 20 days, so if we start with 1000 cases x 2^18.25 doubles per year = 311 million cases after 1 year. Uuugh Ohh.
hmmm Add drought, fammine, trade wars along with pure panic and your numbers get a bit conservative.
Well if you go out another 80 days at that doubling rate, the entire world population could be infected. I think the curve would flatten out once you reached a certain point though due to massive population mortality and lack of new substrate for the virus. The population of Western Africa is about to be seriously reduced.
Yes it would flatten as it burnt itself out. Though hard to say at what level of infection.
And yes, that feature of the spread would be the end of Africa, by just about any measure, and for a very long time, as it would be unsafe to travel there for probably a generation at least.
Cougar, Any idea how long it lives out side a body? Say if someone was in your car or house. A day? A week, month, years?
I have read anywhere from two days to a week. Oh yeah, and Nigeria is under-reporting on the who site. Alot.
You're not being specific enough in your question. It depends on the environment. In a laboratory freezer it will survive indefinitely (granted they've only got about 40 years of proof at this point).
This raises some interesting questions in the context of Otzi the iceman, his 19 relatives currently living in Austria, and fears of a global pandemic.
If there actually is global pandemic (beit ebola or something else), there are 3, and only 3, options-
1) YOU were born with a resistance to ebola
2) your body can be manipulated to develop a resistance to ebola (either by surviving the disease or receiving a vaccination)
3) YOU will die of ebola.
Mankind can't hide from fate (just as an individual will not be able to hide from ebola), yet mankind constantly refuses to accept its fate and move on. Can kicking may be an occupation, but it is never a solution.
I said if someone was in your car, or house.
Didn't say anything about freezers.
You're still not being particularly specific. I think the answer you are looking for is three weeks.
However, if you are dealing with a corpse, then it's longer. Moreover, the three week period is subject to extreme variance due to temperature, moisture, sunlight, application of disinfectants, etc.
For example, today is a sunny day in Zürich, so if an Ebola zombie comes by and vomits on the hood of my car, the ebola virus would be dead in an hour or so (60min at 60C will do that).
However, if the same ebola zombie vomited on my windshield while the same car parked in the underground garage by the office, there is a chance that the dried puke on the windshield would still contain live virus cells 50 days later.
However, the chances of contracting ebola by 1) scraping the ebola zombie puke with my bare hands, 2) and the tiny amount of live virus in the dried puke sticking to my hands, 3) and then licking my hands, 4) and the virus finding an entryway to my bloodstream... 5) before my stomach acid kills the virus... is pretty damn fucking negligible, but not actually 0.
Some not so light reading...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20553340
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0042682299999154
http://aem.asm.org/content/74/3/555
Is it just a simple doubling though? Seems that as numbers get higher, the growth RATE would actually increase simply due to higher concentrations of sick people in the same amount of space?
It doesnt seem as simple as one person infecting 2 ppl within a certain number of days. If there is 1 sick person in a room of 100, versus say 5 sick people in a room of 100, what are the chances of infection? How many MORE pathways from person to person are now possible?
I'm no stats/probability whiz, so any help here is appreciated....
And, when asked what the greatest invention of the 20th century was, he said "Compound Interest. It defies physics."
Maybe we should airlift the Ebola patients to help out with the "civil rights demonstrations" in Ferguson?
I am guessing they are way ahead of you.
They're already infected: with Obola.
Didn't you know?
they reiterate the risk of infection on a flight is low - which seems odd given that we get a cold every time we fly...
Not unusual. The air in an air liner cabin is extremely dry, which seems to facilitate some bugs. As to exactly when this thing becomes contagious, how could they know that? Even information on mortality seems fragmented and unreliable for now.
WHO is a very political organization.
When it gets serious,politicians lie.
Evidence please...
The cabin air on an airplane may be somewhat dry but it is also recirculated, even without those nifty twist nob blowers that blow air (and whatever it carries) right at passengers' mucous membranes.
Some of the studies I cited in a separate post above (and more that I didn't) are not consistent with the notion of lower transmission rates for various diseases in an aircraft.
Dear Abbey:
I had unprotected discourse with an african woman today, should I be worried?
Signed:
Sweating it out with a headache in the south.
Not about ebola. The other stuff will get you first.
“There's an old adage: the sensation of drowning reminds you of everything you ever knew about swimming.” Frederick Weisel, Teller [AbyNormal]
Dear sweating:
Look on the brightside, you don't have to worry about HIV, you'll be dead before it manifests.
the who wants this thing to spread. moar funding bitchez.
Hope the "exit screenings" are more antiseptic than the one I had when I was laid off several years ago (I was 'spittin' mad')
Plagues have always been with us, and always will be. It's what has kept out species' population in check since we were in trees. It's hubris to think that we'll always be able to outpace microbes natural selection/mutation with modern technology, when we've only discovered anti-biotics with the last 100 years or so. Microbes can have a new generation in approximately five minutes (or quicker), and with exponential growth/possibility for mutation....eventually something will fill the right niche. If it isn't this plague, it'll eventually happen.
I'm well aware that malaria kills many more people per day, and it is a problem. But malaria doesn't use humans as vectors. Human to human transmission will put most of the third world in a real bind....just like it always has.
as long as it's not a global war, I hate war. QMicrobes I can crush with my fist or shoe or scrub them off with my tooth brush and some Scope Mouthwash and lye soap. Microbes are tiny and have no defence against my high powered Karate kick or Kung Fu mastery of mind over antibodies. I just crushed a gnat on my desk *%#Kung POW!!
Collapsing!! Exploding!!!! Parabolic!!!! Fear fear fear porn almost nonstop on ZH these days. I'm just waiting for a ZH store with Super Natural silver and six month food supplies for sale.
No thanks. We're already stocked up.
Could use some help locating a volcano fallout cover though.
Your in luck. Iceland is about to be in the news again :)
Oh, I so like the good olde end of days stuff.
"The risk of getting infected on an aircraft is also small as sick persons usually feel so unwell that they cannot travel ..."
"...fever, headache, achiness, sore throat, diarrhoea, vomiting, stomach pain, rash, red eyes, and in some cases, bleeding..."
Lots of people with these symptoms get on a plane all the time. Except maybe diarrhoea and anal bleeding. This is fucked.
Its sounds like a trip to Mexico to me. Diarrhoea is the price you pay of any good spicy food. The rest of the symptoms are all par for the course of a trip you will remember fondly (optional on anal bleeding if thats your thing).
Plane rides, especially long distance, especially ( I have found) from mainland China are absolutely incubators for airborne illness. Time and again I have been so struck (reaching for the 100% pure vit. C powder I keep on my desk, as I type!).
Those people who travel overseas in Business or First class get a HVAC system that is separate from Economy (Cattle) class.
If your company flies you overseas, it is usually travel policy anyway (for flights over 7 hrs) to go Biz class. If you have air miles and fly Biz class several times per year, they'll bump you to 1st Class occasionally anyway. Much safer at the pointy end of the plane, than at the back near the Lavatories.
Even so, I'd avoid flights to dangerous Ebola regions anyway, or all dangerous regions. I'd wear latex gloves under white cotton gloves: the cotton gloves are for PR, so the sheeple won't freak. You may even consider having a decent face mask, if someone start coughing a lot. If they look sweaty, it's everyone's DUTY to report it to the Flight Crew -- in case the PC clowns are deliberately ignoring it.
>> end times.
On a long enough time line we all come to end times.
Poetic. Absolutely Poetic.
See Lagos and Die
Cheap rooms at the Hotel and Wellness Centre, so should be good....
http://www.expedia.com/Ikeja-Hotels-Planet-One-Hotel-And-Wellness.h52569...
Ahem, I'm feeling pretty great. Ahem. No, none of those symptom. Ahem. Thanks, ma'am.
Hey, do I have something on my cheek?
Ha! It's sort of late to lock the barn now that the horses have fled, isn't it?
Not if the tornado is commin to ya, then it's run for your life and the horses have been let out the barn.
I guess the WHO knows better then the CDC about airborne transmission.
(sarc off)
Who knows?
Ummm...the Shadow!