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Another Police Shooting In St. Louis, Just 3 Miles From Ferguson: "Suspect Dead At The Scene" - Live Feed
St.Louis city police are investigating a fatal police shooting in St.Louis City - less than 3 miles from Ferguson - today at 1230pm. Residents heard at least 5 shots fired. The suspect approached the officers with a knife in an open-hand grip and screamed "shoot me, kill me now." One witness described it at 'suicide by cop'.
@zerohedge < 3 miles from #MikeBrown shooting pic.twitter.com/E0KPMQRda2
— David Johns (@davidjohns11) August 19, 2014
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As St.Louis Post-Dispatch reports,
St. Louis city police officers shot and killed a man they say brandished a knife at them outside a market Tuesday afternoon.
The shooting was about 12:30 p.m., police said.
Witnesses said the man who was shot had been inside Six Stars Market at Riverview Boulevard near McLaran Avenue. He took items from the market and left, followed by a market employee, witnesses said.
When the market employee told the man he would have to pay for the items, the man started throwing the items on the street and sidewalk. St. Louis Alderman Dionne Flowers, who works at a nearby beauty shop, witnessed the encounter, according to St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson. She described the man as acting erratically and was grabbing at his waistband, Dotson said.
"The store owner and the alderwoman said the suspect was armed with a knife, acting erratically, pacing back and forth in the street, talking to himself," said Dotson, who spoke at the scene.
Employees at the market and the beauty shop called 911 and two police officers arrived, police said.
The officers ordered the man to get down, according to Dotson. The man, 23, became more agitated and walked toward them, reaching for his waistband. Witnesses told police the man was yelling "Shoot me, kill me now," during the encounter.
The officers drew their weapons and ordered the man to stop. He did stop, but then pulled out a knife and came at the officers with it held up hight, Dotson said. They ordered him to stop and drop the knife. When he got within two or three feet of the officers, they fired, killing the man.
“This is a lethal range for a knife,” Dotson said.
The officers were not hurt, police said. They were put on administrative duty pending an investigation.
Initially, a crowd that had gathered at the shooting scene was peaceful, but when Dotson started speaking to reporters at the impromptu press conference, the crowd became rowdier and started chanting the now familiar, “Hands up, don't shoot,” a common refrain at Ferguson protests.
Several older residents in the area got between those shouting and the police line and tried to calm the crowd. The shouts subsided but escalated again when the press conference concluded, and Dotson appeared to be walking away.
Dotson went into the midst of the crowd and reiterated all of the details he had provided the press. Dotson's actions calmed the situation along with help from the residents, who yelled, “Listen up” and “Keep quiet,” when the crowd tried to interrupt.
Several in the crowd asked why police did not use tasers to bring down the subject. Dotson said police officers have the right to defend themselves when an agitated man is coming at them with a knife. Said the chief, “Officers have a reasonable expectation to go home at the end of their shift.”
Photo from officer involved shooting on Riverview in North St. Louis. #KSDK pic.twitter.com/QRjW9ZrvJl
— Darin Copeland (@dacopeland) August 19, 2014
St. Louis city police have The victim's body behind orange barrier. pic.twitter.com/Z4lfrSVB7Y
— Adrienne Broaddus (@abroaddus) August 19, 2014
An officer involved shooting about 10 minutes from where #MikeBrown was killed. Location Riverview and McLaran Ave. pic.twitter.com/MXCxie2eUn
— Adrienne Broaddus (@abroaddus) August 19, 2014
People on scene saying man charged at officer with knife. @FOX2now pic.twitter.com/x8x88urLax
— George Sells (@GeorgeSells) August 19, 2014
Large area blocked off at Riverview and McLaran. @FOX2now pic.twitter.com/sxVBAfYLtL
— George Sells (@GeorgeSells) August 19, 2014
Crowds gathering at the site...
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And like hundreds of other shootings, it will merely be another death.
Not the ice bucket challenge hook like the Ferguson crap.
pods
For anyone who saw the movie “The Parallax View,” the timing of the Michael Brown gun down could not have been better. The White House had also already announced Obama's plans to return to Washington on Monday, August 18, before the U.S. airstrikes in Iraq began and before the shooting of a teen, Michael Brown, in Ferguson that sparked protests. Brown was gunned down at almost exactly noon of Saturday, August 9. Even in a town as racist and corrupt as Ferguson, why would officer Darren Wilson care that much that Brown was walking in the street. What, Wilson was worried that Brown would get run over? Unlikely.
In “The Parallax View,” there is a subplot involving the crooked chief of police of a small town who is working for a secret organization. This organization is in the business of assassination, recruiting disposable killers. The movie starts with a politician being killed at a fundraiser party, as I recall, by a killer disguised as a waiter. Michael Brown was a nobody but a cop killing him in broad daylight in a town like Ferguson, for no apparent reason, that is the stuff race riots are made of. The purpose of this killing was a trial run, to test out what would happen if police in a small town imposed martial law, attacked peaceful protestors with tear gas and targeted any members of the press who were reporting the incidents from the vantage point of the protestors. The mainstream press failed miserably, not daring to report such policing techniques as targeting demonstrators with the red dot from rifle laser gun sights. An unheard of police practice designed to intimidate and anger protestors.
The Baden autopsy findings show that officer Wilson could have killed Brown first with a shot to his skull and then continued firing to cover up that Wilson was a crack shot. Why? If Wilson had killed Brown with just one shot, people would ask questions like “why did he not shoot to incapacitate, being such a marksman?” The other question no one is asking is if officer Wilson knew Brown. He almost certainly did, he could have been waiting for Brown. Why was Wilson skipping his normal two hour meal break?
A lot of planning had to have gone into creating this incident. The last question: who was responsible for ordering this operation? That is the big unknown. An unknown linked to Obama taking a break in his vacation at Martha’s Vineyard.
What did Adam Smith say the minimum IQ was for a civilized society??
http://staffanspersonalityblog.wordpress.com/2013/09/24/the-iq-breaking-...
Lets see what skin tone this poor sap turns out to be....i bet its not white.
Also, at least he only took 5 bullets, the cops are showing their best restraint.
People on scene saying man charged at officer with knife. @FOX2now
Eyez gots sum newtz fo yo peeps... dis be a black 'hood...... at McLaren and Riverside, bro
Is there a PCP revival going on? WTF?
Naked and foaming at the mouth?
Tase me bro!
good thing Holder is nearby...
If the fucking cops are so fucking trustworthy and infallible, why bother having a trial at all? Let's just use Judge Dredd type "justice".
"If you don't back off I will shoot the nigger"
Oh wait
( Mel Brooks was way ahead of his time)
If we only had a black president, who would understand our situation and help us.
lmao. Will need a lot of popcorn for tonight......
They looted the Payless Shoes store in Ferguson today.
Not a single pair of work boots was stolen.
15 yard penalty -
too much truthiness;)
Tyler the "<3" represents a "heart" or "love"
Great, now we have Kamikaze Brothers on the loose... What's the world coming to?
Perhaps these are all try-outs for the Darwin Awards...
So, where are the tasers? Or the baton? You don't have to shoot the crazy sob. Damn.
Welcome to the new normal, same with the Brown kid... If you charge a police officer without a weapon, they are within their rights to kill you... Pretty fucked up if you ask me...
yeah id like to see the knife. some tiny fucking swiss army job or a bowie? hard for me believe the cops arent trained to handle such a situation without using deadly force....
but otoh, i have seen a lot of people who deserve to be shot. plus it's cheaper!
Just wait till the memorial weekend...
I think you mean Labor Day weekend. I was thinking the same thing. My wife and I are going to Denver on the 28th and coming back on Sunday. We were planning on taking the train from the airport, but that might be a mistake us being white folk and all.
Just wait until the cop is acquitted of all charges!
Yep, right or wrong won't matter after that...
...One or two murders over a week is nothing.
In Chicago or Detroit that's an hour or two's work.
A small outfit can't really compete on the same level as a big box store/town. Nope, they have to make up for lack of quantity with quality and personal customer service.
Adapt, or get eaten by the sharks.
I loved that scene!
Lawdy lawd, hep me, hep me!
Wir sind so geshtup.
I can't beleive nobody has made a wisecrack about "never bringing a knife to a gunfight" yet.
Oh pleeez Tylers.. Now let's track EVERY police shooting in the U.S. for moar clicks.
To the protestors, it does not matter if the guy charged a cop with a knife....they will not believe it was not cold blood.
He had just finished makin' hisself a sammich.
Depends who you aks.....
That's racit...,
just saying.
If he is black, it has to be murder, murder by racism. I want to feel sorry for truly fucked up people but its so damned hard. Its not like we didn't buy them books and send them to school. Just so damn many race hustlers trying to build their fortune and cred on the back of these people. And they have bought it, hook, line and sinker.
There are alot of people out there suffering from mental issues of one sort or another. The way things have been in this country for the last 6 years, it's a wonder we're not all crazy as coots. Cop didn't have to kill the guy though....could have done any number of other things.
Says you from the comfort of your computer keyboard.
just ask'n...
Is the default reaction - shoot them?
No other options open there - at all...???
There is another option - you get out there and show us how to handle some crack head charging you with a knife. Maybe you could pepper spray him. If that doesn't work, you could taser him. That is, unless he covers the distance between you and him in about 1.5 seconds and cuts your guts out.
And so there you have it.
Yes - it is beyond your puny mind to come up with ANY other solution to the problem.
...and just has to find some reason why it is ok to shoot.
Looks like you would make a perfect Ferguson city cop.
Nut case demands police end his misery, compasionate officers comply.....
Now they have their asses in a sling....WTF?
What is the definition of "Trigger Happy". ???
A sub-MOA group @ 50 yards? With a .357 Mag snubby.
I always said if you guys had gone down the path of affirmative action
and endless entitlement, none of this would be happening today...
Oh wait....
The problem with living in the ghetto is that probably everyone there has been, or knows someone directly who has been, hassled by the cops for bullshit reasons.
Of course the cops deal with multiple absolute legitimate scumbags every single day - so they, understandable, get pretty jaded. If most of the scumbags tend to be black in that neighborhood - it's pretty easy to think that color is a pretty good predictor (even if the scumbags only make up 1% or less of the population).
Hell, when I was a teenager I used to get pulled over all the time for literally nothing. If anything, I drive way worse now, and I haven't been pulled over in years - I'm guessing because I have finally learned how to look "respectable."
My father, who was a cop, told me that he was instructed when he first started out, about carrying a cheap stolen revolver to plant "just in case."
All of this kind of crap leads to distrust and escalating conflict - and it's all totally predictable.
Unfortunately, there are no easy answers to back out of it either.
I have finally learned how to look "respectable."
Dead right.....shoot all scruffy people, make the place look untidy and they are bad for tourism.
oh, yes, /sarc
what the f type of people get on here that one has to tell them when you are being sarcastic?
I think you're right about taking the ice bucket challenge too far. It's supposed to be ice, not lead!!
Obama should have told him about the Chicago way. If they bring a gun we bring a knife...oh wait!
It's all fun and games until someone gets their eye shot out!!
Seemed like a very depressed chap. He probably looked at the coverage the other convenience store thief got and felt, given his present predicament, that dying and being immortalized that way was better than his life....
Fuck it, there is a simple liberal solution.
Ban Knives and outlaw violence by the population. That way it will be fully legal to kill the pleebs when they reject their serfdom.
Shit on the MSM with their do as I say not as I do chanting.....
St Louis today, tomorrow Oakland.
Long LEAD.
RIPS
>> simple liberal solution.
I'm a liberal, I own guns, have a ccp, and fully support the 2nd, as well as the 1st. I don't want to ban anything. Anymore assinine stereotypes you want to puke up, shitbag?
You and the rest of your left right communist fucks should shove a red and blue horse cock up your ass, ok?
Is this the kind of debate you'd like to have?
See how productive the liberal debate is?
You support a party that will say they want to protect you so they can line their pockets? Retarded.....
They also hate you for your gun.
Chill out beard.
RIPS
Beard... Doesn't that make you bi-polar??
Dont make fun of greybeard. Liberalism is a mental disorder, key symptom is cognitive dissonance. There is no known cure.
There it is. TPTB have decided it's time to end the party at ZH. Massive troll infestation, commenters activating dormant ID's. Can't have a civil discourse. Can't have any thinking people making comments. Definitely can't have a gun-toting liberal showing people that the two are NOT mutually incompatible.
Cognitive dissonance- A liberal who supports the 2nd amendment but votes for the party that tries to ban guns.
Cog diss: voting
Like it matters.
You're full of shit, you probably voted for Obama. Did you know the Democrats set up a voter registration tent next to the Ferguson memorial?
http://johngaltfla.com/wordpress/2014/08/17/democrats-are-scum-voter-reg...
The outcome has already been decided.
Maybe the Voting Show continues in a slight nod to the principles that got us here.
More likely satire, for those on the right side of the curtain.
Fuck you and your voting. Like the best we can do is Red and Blue?
False choice.
Controlled opposition is efficient at gate keeping.
RIPS
Hargangers only reason for posting here is to forment hatred towards anyone not just like himself. He's doing a bangup job supporting the government he supposedly distrusts.
Liberals see no conflict in arming themselves while disarming everyone else. It has worked everywhere it has been tried. And they do not support the military, they simply want to own the military, like their personal gun in the closet.
An armed society is a polite society. I'm all for constitutional carry. Next?
But ain't you skeered?
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good point
You're confusing Liberals with Socialist-Progressives.
It's not that complicated. Less boundaries, more communication. Increased production, decreased destruction. The reality is that everyone can win. Even the angry conservatives. Although I'm sure they will still be angry.
Wait is that racist?
People have to want to be productive before you can have a productive society. We are doing NOTHING to encourage that to happen. We are telling Americans that they are too good to work for these pittance wages while holding the southern door wide open to welcome those who would happily take those jobs. Our work force is shrinking while your boundaries are in full retreat. Do you have a clue? But I know that concept does not fit your liberal theology that tells you to bend over and take it like an androgynous metro sexual.
lol I'm not even mad at that comment. I have been getting put out of shape lately. Bitches.
Do not fear the invasion. I know it's scary, but it is what North America needs. New people, new values, real community. When I read people's perception of what is unfolding in Ferguson. I can only shake my head. Buy the CD We want Freedom by Dead Prez. Try Propaganda, Happiness, They Schools, Animal in man. A change of pace that may blow your mind.
Same chapter. Different pages.
OutSTANDING. Liberal halfwit stooge beardo gets his pretty pink panties pulled down & then gets buttfucked live on national internet. Crushed. Humiliated. Shown to one and all to be the prissy little bitch he is.
Whic is fitting, since he started it.
>> You support a party
You are indeed brainwashed. There is no liberal party. Corporate Party Red, Corporate Party Blue, yes. Liberal Party, Conservative Party, no.
I think he meant Progressive, slightly more scumish than a liberal so you're safe.
A liberal who supports the second ammendment. I would love to hear a reconcilliation of that.
Simple, he supports the right of the army to bear arms. The founders believed that nugget of wisdom was worth an entire amendment.
4 years, Sid? Nice to see you come out from under your rock. Fucking troll.
2nd Amendment
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Dick Act of 1903
TITLE 10–ARMED FORCES
Subtitle A–General Military Law
PART I–ORGANIZATION AND GENERAL MILITARY POWERS
CHAPTER 13–THE MILITIA
Sec. 311. Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female
citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are–
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia;
and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
You are the armed forces along with them 17 - 44 able bodied male rootin and riotin negroes, even if their conduct is unbecoming at the moment. Having a criminal record also doesn't preclude you here. You maybe the Peter Best forgotten wing but a member none the less.
In fact the well regulated part the military could easily define what a military grade assault rifle and side arm is to regulate the armorment of the militia, you know like a fully automatic AR-15 with a 30 round clip, nudge nudge legal challenge to gun control laws like the Safe Act in NY on these grounds for all able bodied Armed Forces members.
Shit even the military if the really wanted to could legally, lawfully and Constitutionally arm we the people of the unorganized militia while bypassing Congress and the States....
I am also sure there are plenty of veterans who would if the military didn't set an official program donate their time and expertise to train people so have a basic proficiency in using said weapons right down to storing and safety.
With that said since we are the Armed Forces all that militarized surplus should have never went to police, should have tripped down the line according to the Dick Act from the organized militias to the unorganized first then PD's or whoever afterwards.
And yes PD members can also be militia members but weapons still belong to the PD not them the people.
Now if it followed this route and some of those militia members who also happened to be PD members had a bring your MRAP to work day as long as served through the institutions we the people not for the institutions against we the people we wouldn't have an issue on either end here now would we.
We might not be ideology agreable but we wouldn't be diametrically opposed. There would actually be some sort of we the people community going on here instead of this shit.
and by "people", they meant corporations, not slaves like you. (please tell me I don't need a fucking sarc tag for that)
un-fucking believable... I'll take that red as a "yes, you did."
If you fully support the 2nd, why submit to a ccp?
haha, ive been asking all my 2nd amendment buddies the same thing since 2004 when ohio instituted its ccw law. these motherfuckers are so proud to show off their license. i say to them, since when do i need a fucking government permit for a right I already have?
"Ban Knives and outlaw violence by the population. That way it will be fully legal to kill the plebes when they reject their serfdom."
It's already "legal" to kill the plebes:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/13/us/california-homeless-beating-verdict/
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/No-charges-in-woodcarver-shooting...
An American, not US subject.
Shooting was justified then.
I am not implying the guy did not charge the officer but sure sounds like an acting crew hired to cover up the blue thugs crimes. I mean come on cops, you are in a downward tailspin in this community. Use a fucking taser or even hop into your car if able and wait for backup. You have to think a Police Chief said no shooting because it can escalate even more.
Obama did once say that if they bring a knife we bring a gun.
If it was a black cop killing a white thug can we just call it offseting penalties and get back to normal life.
police shootings in St. Louis City are not uncommon... usually not a huge issue if the non-cop was armed and shooting (also not uncommon in St. Louis City). but, with a psy-op already running right down the road... this could get ugly.
My thoughts exactly. As soon as I read the headline, I thought: white or black? And the story doesn't tell us. If he's white, it means nothing and the victim will be instantly forgotten. If he's black, look out...
@ junction
Brown was a thug that charged a policeman after realizing he couldn't outrun him. I would have shot the sob too except I wouldn't have given him the 3 nonlethal shots in the arm first.
Yes the police are militarized and it's bad, but this specific case was completly justified as confirmed by multiple eyewitnesses.
You mean if they knew had no gun if what I read is true that they had him detained in the car first before he left that they didn't already know he was unarmed.
They don't give these guys batons anymore? A shot to the kneecaps or shins would have dropped him same with aiming knee level or lower. They don't give them bear strength pepper spray or tasers either? Shit they don't give these guys tactical flashlights that are bright enough shining it directly in his eyes would have disoriented/blinded him momentarily giving them a precious second or 2 to follow up with blow from the flashlight?
Are you familiar with the training the police receive? Everyone is a threat, every situation must be controlled. Most dangerous individuals on the streets
The cop that shot Brown received a fracture to the orbital bone - the bone that surrounds the eye socket. You have to be hit in the face really hard to receive a blowout fracture.
That injury is common in baseball when a player is hit in the face with a fastball.
I would shoot any man, and keep shooting him until he was down, if he hit me in the face hard enough to fracture my eye socket.
And where was his partner in all this?
Pulling a gun in that close of quarters is not a smart thing to do if that is the case that he got smacked first before shooting. That is what your partner is there for.
And what does that tell if he didn't trust his own partner to have his back even though they both had the same weaponry and training?
Two cops in one car? Are you joking? If they did that, they'd only be able to milk the tax payers for half the number of cars. I don't know what it's like in your neck of the jungle, but around here, the cops are all rolling in shiny new hardware. Gotta keep the big three in business.
Depends the hood. They don't ride solo in the 'low income' neighborhoods.
That's a helluva hook.
And if you had a badge it would be legal
As for the Michael Brown murder, assume it was "justified," and then realize that the real lesson was what the gun and badge thugs, and their pol and crat masters did afterwords.
An American, not US subject.
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That confirms it wasn't NYC...
Divided States, Why don't you try your luck as a police officer in one of the more choice locations in this country, and after one year of service on the night shift relate your newfound experience to us. Otherwise...
I guess just wounding people is out of the question anymore. Brown had no gun and this guy had a knife. What about a taser?
Exactly. Once the cops shot, they empty the clip and kill them. No wounding anymore. Just thugery.
Now they will riot because a cop used a gun for a knife fight. "Unfair"
Damn, Holder is going to be a busy little boy. That's got to be a cibble whites crime of some sort. Kinda like when Officer Wilson refused to engage the choir boy Mr. Brown in hand to hand combat and used his firearm.
Try to remember he was a "Gentle Giant" with dreams of going to college.
He was just a Dreamer like all the rest of the Central American drug cartel members.
Hey, give the bro a break. He was going to get into refrigeration at the trade school. He achieved his objective. He got into refrigeration.
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Oh fuck off junction..
Oh damn it, the haters disquished as fake ass libritarian wannabes are back!!!
I know, I know "it's justified" and "he had it coming" and shit!! You fucking colonized, apologist for the police state are unreal!! I bet you think your living in a free America too right? A democratic, free market, Republic right?? Your living in a fucking Orwellian police state meets Matrix society on technology steroids, clowns!
There is NOTHING real in your life from a governmental, political, economic stand point right now, nothing!! Unless you have completely decoupled from this sickness and got self reliant and self sufficient 100% (which if you have, your my fucking hero and I envy you) your living in a complete fucking delusion of grandjor and madness!
Your fake ass money, job, pension, quality of life, car, house, and fucking dog are as fake as your belief in this police state as the answer to this Countries problems! Your just one god damn solar EMP, Ebola outbreak, government freak out, monetary system collapse, USD collapse, from being at less then zero walking down the street with the other zombies heading for the refugee camp OR looting, raping, killing and burning your way to safety somewhere, which ironically in your mind would be justified for your own survival, but those people in MO, don't have the same rights to attack this system or the police overlords they have "protecting" them, do they?
My dog isn't fake. He just farted and wants to go for a w... a.... l.... k.....
Oh shit! He can read that now too!!
Be back soon..
I stand corrected......
I shouldn't have thrown a person dog Into that mix!! The rest of the shit however, I stand behind:)
woof...
you should probably listen to what happened before going off on a rant. I'm not apologizing for the police, but if anyone charges another person with a knife, you have the right to defend yourself. Going after anyone with a knife, cop or not, you should expect to get shot. If you looked into what happened, you would have seen that this appeared to be a 'suicide by cop' type shooting according to several witnessess. And I'm all for people having he rights to protest police, because they shoot, tazer, and beat far too many people for bullshit reasons. However, having the right to protest doesnt mean you have the right to loot businesses and throw molotov cocktails.
Wrong, you see this is we're this sickness has you brainwashed into thinking that certain laws apply to certain people in a society that has no laws left!!
A tyrannical police state run by psychopaths who dole out justice when and where they see fit, paying attention to nothing but their own self interest and power, have NO right to any protection or justification of anything in a society like that!
If the laws don't apply to the Prez, the Congress, the military, the police, the corporations, or the .gov employees, they sure as fuck don't apply to those kids on the street in MO!! So yes burning, looting, and killing the people who enslave you is absolutely ok in a lawless tyrannical society!! The founding fathers did it in the Boston Harbor, and it still is talked about and worshiped today as the absolute "act of rebellion", but I guess for THOSE people it was ok???
And in the end, those who don't stand against tyrany will suffer the law of the Gulag.
And those who do stand against it? A statue maybe? In a nice park where dogs can piss on it?
You should certainly expect to get shot that way by a cop in a nation of homocidal cunts. OTOH, would it be unreasonable for the fucking cop to not exploit his wonderful good fortune in this way and instead to be trained to back the fuck up, tazer the guy, spray him . . . you know, use those non-lethal means of hammering people that they use on unarmed legal protestors and such?
What kind of fucking cop uses his badge as a license to kill?
A badge means never having to simply step the fuck back when approached by a clearly deranged guy begging to be shot?
Fucking ridiculous. Like most cop killings.
Taser? Pepper spray? No advantage, except cuffing the guy and going back on the beat.
But, firing the gun gets a paid vacation to Cabo.
Of the 14000 or so murders every year, how many were killed by cop shootings? 400? and of those cop shooting can we assume ANY of them were justified? And your biggest fear is being killed by a cop? Not saying they should not be held on a pretty tight leash, and not saying some of them are bad people, but it really sounds like we are trying to throw the baby out with the bathwater here. Can we have any proportional perspective or is it about beating your drum loudly? Or should we be ducking in fear of a meteor strike as well?
Though my googling indicates that there are no reliable estimate of police killings, much less official stats, let's agree on 400, small as it sounds relative to the population.
The question, as you suggest, is how many can we "assume" were justified. I'd say none, given the "law enforcement" culture. But, of course, that's what investigations are for. Too bad they're virtually always conducted by the very departments whose members have done the killings and by now no one who pays attention has missed the obvious truth that they cannot be trusted because their number one priority is "protecting their own." That isn't news.
If you're white and upper-middle class, you have nothing to worry about whatsoever. If that's your demographic, I'd say worry about the meteor strike.
Picking on the economnically weak and unconnected is their SOP.
How many stop-and-frisks in the Bronx versus uptown in the same city?
Of course all the cops aren't "bad." And of course they're a necessary element in society.
But the middle-class' day of reckoning is gonna be ugly, imo. FWIW.
Not the dog, okay? I have a kitty and he's pretty darn cool. He'd make you smile too.
The whole situation sucks in all the ways you say.
And we are in it.
Gotta get through it to get through it.
In a corrupt situation where the rules no longer work I MUST JUDGE EVERY SITUATION ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS BECAUSE EVERYTHING HAS FALLEN APART AND IS FAKE.
Good luck.
As fake as this sounds, Love you dude or dudette.
IQ is only the processing of dominant information within a society, it does not necessarily correspond to knowledge; and certainly not wisdom.
Where do most people with a high IQ work today? In the military, intelligence, tech, and bioterror industries. One of them does more damage than a million low-IQ stereotypes. The low-IQs simply go along with whatever evil the high-IQ masters deem is necessary.
Dang, the riots tonight are gonna be bonkers.
Yep, that's the plan.
Homeland Has 3 Or 4 Bullets Per US Resident, They Have Expiry Date ???
If stored properly good for a hundred+ years.
I am shooting ammo manufactured in 1940 and it shoots just fine.
http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/longtermammo.htm
Thanks.
I'm guessing we won't need to keep most of it that long.
You can run out into the street and find out!
You know, I am just as skeptical about Building 7 as the next guy, but DAMN...
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Cultural Die-versity.
Gawdhelpus, because Barry is fucking useless.
Come on, Kaiser... that's why he sent Holder.
Now, question is, who is Holder gonna send?
Then we get to the point where after a few more nights of riots, the Feebies say they never were in charge and it's Bush's and the Tea Party's fault, Barry extends his va-ca at Martha's and the Wookie and offspring jet off to the Canary Islands for some fun in da sun
It's all good
Under control as the folk's overlords would say.
Like the rescue of the folks on that mountain in Iraq went off flawlessly (said He)
Actually, it didn't- http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/17/world/middleeast/iraq-alissa-j-rubin-a...
Rescue helicopters in the sand box. We never learn.
But we are too damned cowardly to discuss race issues in this country. (Sharpton is the MAN!)
At this point, I'm putting all information released by the Ferguson PD into question including the time line of Wilson's whereabouts before the shooting. To say now that Brown attacked Wilson and there's a medical report to prove it makes this whole scene more than just doubtful imo. Wilson could have immediately declared some form of self defense but didn't even call in the shooting.
We should question everything but withhold judgement until we can come to some informed decisions (not informed by bias). We have witnesses from the very beginning that claimed the victim attacked the cop, but that is why we have investigations and courts, as flawed as they may be. If you are not going to believe the cops or the legal system, then what is the point of any of this. Just go hunt the cop down and fucking hang him from a lamp post...get it over with. That's the justice system many here hope for. For some reason they think that this is more just than what we have, but who on this thread are you going to allow on YOUR jury, when it is you that is accused? The problem with this world is we have far far too many idiots who are absolutely sure they know what the fuck is going on and have no fear in imposing it upon others. Justice...always in the eyes of the beholder.
C'mon the fact that the PD is giving us this info piece meal and there are now witnesses supposedly coming forward with a story that could have ended this entire strive over a week ago is at best ludicrous, at worst completely fabricated.
Did the paramedics at the scene treat Wilson?
So your assumption is that the cops are lying and the black folk, who swore he was shot in the back, the black folk who hate cops more than they hate whites, the black folk who would have voted for Obama even if his tail and horns were actually showing, are speaking the truth. This says a lot about you and for someone who so easily extrapolates assumptions from what you believe to be biased sources, you should take a very close look at yourself in the mirror.
You obviously have too much time on your hands. This is about the dumbest thing I've ever read.
So what do we have here?
A conspiracy wrapped in a riddle inside an enigma.
Junction, your juxtaposition stretches the imagination just a tad bit.
Sounds like the natives are getting restless in the live feed.
Pussy spokeman sidekick had to wear a bulletproof vest.
Ooooggggaaa Boooogggaaa
Hard to be a crack shot when you've been hit hard enough to fracture your eye socket -- hard to be conscious for that matter.
Never let the truth get in the way of a crisis you're trying to manipulate to your advantage.
Maybe that's why he kept shooting you genius?
That would be my point, dimwit.