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The Ferguson Morning After: Police "Come Under Heavy Gunfire", Arrest 31 Including Photographer, Journalist
The local authorities have tried everything: aggressive police, appeasing highway patrol, curfew, no curfew, and last night, the national guard. Nothing seems to work. Because what until 9 pm was a peaceful protest, it quickly, as documented here extensively, spiraled out of control. And as the crowd advanced, police fired stun grenades and tear gas at protesters. This escalation allegedly happened after, as Reuters reports, the police came under heavy gunfire leading to the arrest of 31 people, including a famous Getty photographer and yet another journalist.
State Highway Patrol Captain Ron Johnson, briefing reporters on Monday's night's violence, said "our officers came under heavy gunfire" in one area.
The good news: an all out bloodbath was avoided: "Not a single bullet was fired by officers despite coming under heavy attack," he told a news conference. Riot police had confiscated two guns from protesters and what looked like a petrol bomb. Four officers had been injured. Others too:
Johnson separately told CNN that two people were shot within the crowd, but not by police, and were taken to hospital. There was no immediate word on their condition.
The violence has captured headlines around the world, raising questions about the state of U.S. race relations nearly six years after Americans elected their first black president.
"This has to stop. I don't want anybody to get hurt. We have to find a way to stop this," said Johnson, an African-American who grew up in the area and who took over security efforts after the mostly white local force was accused of using excessive force against blacks.
Unfortunately for the president who took some time off from his well-deserved 2-week vacation, his racial fire and brimstone speech, which took jabs at both the police and protesters, had zero impact on the local population. "While I understand the passions and the anger that arise over the death of Michael Brown, giving in to that anger by looting or carrying guns, and even attacking the police, only serves to raise tensions and stir chaos," Obama told a news conference on Monday. "It undermines, rather than advancing, justice."
What's more troubling is that the Ferguson protest movement is beginning to spread to other cities. For now, it is peaceful.
There have been largely peaceful protests over Brown's killing elsewhere in the United States including in St. Louis, New York, Seattle and Oakland. Police commander Johnson said some of those arrested had come from California and New York.
Missouri Governor Jay Nixon declared a state of emergency in Ferguson on Saturday and a curfew from midnight to 5 a.m. He also mobilized the National Guard to back up state police.
Obama said he told the governor the use of the National Guard should be limited and called for conciliation in communities hit by the unrest.
And if the one man paragon of true justice, US attorney general Eric Holder, who is arriving in Ferguson on Wednesday, and is also taking time away from his busy schedule of arresting countless bankers for crimes conducted during the financial crisis and after, can't put the looting genie in the bottle, then all bets are off.
Finally, what is worst of all, is that in its scramble to put away any potentially threatening element, the local polica arrested not only Getty's famous photographer Scott Olson...
Getty photo of Getty photographer Scott Olson being arrested in #Ferguson (h/t @Walldo): pic.twitter.com/mAZpXWTPLS
— Neetzan Zimmerman (@neetzan) August 18, 2014
But also Intercept reporter, Ryan Deveraux, who too was apprehended while covering the riots. Below is the editorial published hours ago by Intercept Editor-in-Chief, John Cook:
Intercept Reporter Detained While Covering Ferguson Protests
Intercept reporter Ryan Devereaux was detained this morning while on the ground covering the protests in Ferguson, Mo. According to St. Louis Post-Dispatch photographer David Carson, who witnessed the apprehension, Ryan and a German reporter he was with were both taken into custody by members of a police tactical team. They were handcuffed and placed in a wagon, and Carson was told they were being taken to St. Louis County jail.
We haven’t been able to reach officials with the St. Louis County Police Department or Ferguson Police Department to find out if Ryan has been arrested or charged, or under what pretext he was detained. But needless to say, it’s an outrage that he was stopped and handcuffed by police in the course of lawfully doing his job on the streets of Ferguson. We are trying to contact Ryan now.
At a press conference early this morning, Missouri Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson told reporters in Ferguson that 31 arrests had been made, including members of the “criminal element” from “as far away as New York.” When asked by a reporter if any of those 31 had been reporters, he immediately–and falsely–replied, “these people were not journalists that were arrested.”
But he quickly admitted that in the “chaos” of the protests, officers may not be able to distinguish between reporters and other bystanders: “So yes, we may take some of you into custody. But when we do take you into custody, and we have found out that you are a journalist, we have taken the proper action.” This begs the question as to why police would be compelled to arrest an otherwise law-abiding non-journalist simply for attending a protest. But we insist that the St. Louis County Police Department, Ferguson Police Department, and Missouri Highway Patrol take the proper action and release Ryan Devereaux immediately.
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The St Louis Massacre trudges on.....
"Hug a looter" doesn't work ... never has ... never will
Over a dozen witnesses confirm cop's story of Michael Browns shooting:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/18/report-more-than-a-dozen-witn...
USSA in the making. One step at a time.
At this point black people will realise that Obama is not there for them.
They are all trying to imitate Martin Looter King
===> CUT Welfare & FoodSTamps In Fergie Town.
===> KEEP Entitlements As They Are In Fergie Ville.
CUT Welfare & FoodSTamps In Fergie Town.
Well.....it would make one hell of a story.
Can't see it happening though.
kabuki theater for the masses just another psyop to instill fear and create diversions pitting races against races and class against class. Nothing like stirring up a ghetto hornets nest and then throwing gas on it with miltarized response that does NOTHING to the looters.....hehehehehe.....all kabuki theater sheeple.....enjoy it..its just the beginning of your fear.......out of order comes chaos.....its the game
Well I'm buying the Kabuki. Here, take the constitution away and stop those trigger happy negroes!!
/s
DHS Is Employing Agent Provocateurs and Are Behind the Events In Ferguson
Well they were obviously monitoring me last night. The phone died in a few hours on a fresh charge. The eye of Sauron is darting all around now. Keep believing the Negroes are your biggest problem you fucking idiots.
Whoa! A breath of fresh air... you're different! Where are you from? Don't sound like US to me.
In any case, just logged in to up-arrow you big time.
"our officers came under heavy gunfire"
Probably a couple homies with .22s.
who couldn't shoot straight since no casualties
LIBERAL MEDIA CREATING LYNCH MOB MENTALITY IN FERGUSON:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/3738063554001/liberal-outlets-creating-lynch-...
Exactly what I've been saying here.
Two points:
1. I call bullshit on that. No cops were apparently wounded at all. That is not coming under heavy fire. If you were coming under heavy fire, we'd be seeing body bags.
2. HEY, Capt. Johnson: You want to stop this? QUIT FUCKING KILLING CITIZENS WITH YOUR SOLDIERS AND HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE WHEN THEY DO KILL CITIZENS.
Easy, really.
For those of you who are not up-to-date on .22LR lethality, there's this video:
How far will a .22 LR Kill?As far as "heavy gunfire", here's the one on a semi-auto 22LR rifle with a 50 round magazine:
A .22LR 50 round drum that WORKSIn a war zone, you're either target, cannon or fodder.
The Oligarchs are behind this, they are having their agent provocateur http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur minions come in from outside the neighborhood, cause trouble, and justify the military response. Also this helps keep other news stories the Oligarchs don't want us to think about off the TV.
Yup. A lot like Soros-Zio-oligarchs little setup kosher junta coup in the Ukraine.
Monsanto Monsanto Monsanto
FOX: You see, this is why the case for martial law can become part of the mainstream conversation, etc. etc. etc.
Exactly, divide, distract and conquer...works even towards most of the crowd on this (otherwise well informed) site. Sad.
Obomba is not black, he is whack. This enables him amazing advantages according to Harry Reid.
As far as American is concerned, Obama is a White American, with a Kenyan father. I mean, we call that "black", but only White America contributed to this. Sorry folks, we're innocent on this one!
(and yeah, we voted him in (or rather, they did) but they couldn't have done it alone!! All them Huff Po types did the dirty too!) lol...
Dear Tylers: "Armed thugs shooting at people in the street" != "protest."
"Looters breaking and destroying their city" != "protest."
"Insurrection aided and abetted by Chicago mobs" != "protest."
It'd help if you kept the Ferguson story in that context, since this is the "reality on the ground." I can't believe I'm saying this, but the police are absolutely in the right here.
Why can't you believe you are saying it? Why can't people call a fucking spade a spade anymore?
You have a bunch of nutjobs looking for any excuse to smash a window and grab some cigs and you have a few thosand douchebags in NYC who wanted an excuse to hang out in Times Square and post pics of themselves on instagram fighting the man. It would have been great if one of them got mugged and you heard 10k people screaming for the police.
By "I can't believe I'm saying this," I meant "I can't believe I'm in thie minority on THIS SITE OF ALL PLACES by saying this." :)
If people won't support the rule of law ... Hello Jon Cozine. ... There is no more rule of law. This is how the Empire dies.
The gravity of this situation is beyond these idiots. This is a very real problem America. Luckily for you I have a solution. A very simple one in fact. So simple I could demonstrate it in three words.
Three words.
Or we could keep playing games.
Umm, "Abolish the Fed?"
If some are appalled by some hood rats smashing some windows and snatching TVs, then they are fucking idiots. These same idiots never call for the police to use their heavy hand to crush those who regularly do smash and grab jobs in this bullshit they call a Market.
Fuck it, let the negros burn the motherfucker to the ground! ATTICA! ATTICA!
Especially if it was you who got mugged!
I thought we were on our way to mending the fences. Oh well..
This rioting is nothing to what we've seen in the past - multiple times. The difference here, beyond a shadow of a doubt, is that the perp who got capped is guilty as charged and the cop was legal and ethical in his actions (thanks for the witness testimony). I'm a bit puzzled why the local authorities don't put out some witness testimony indicating what happened so the raging mob can go home - they have no case. This is not about race; it's about a bully getting shot for trying to bully the wrong man. I do believe if I had been that cop and shot the man a couple times and he was still advancing I'd be thinking, "He's on meth or crack and his 6'4" 250-lb body is going to crush me if I don't stop him now." Whether I'd have shot him in the pelvis a couple times rather than in the head, I can't say. It's my belief that this cop did what he felt he had to do; that it was not something he was looking forward to.
"I'm a bit puzzled why the local authorities don't put out some witness testimony indicating what happened so the raging mob can go home - they have no case."
Have you ever seen an angry mob? I mean, up close and personal? Not exactly the most rational and intelligent of individuals. Presenting evidence to half of these people would most likely result in jeering and violence. Trying to debate with half of these people would most likely result in jeering and violence.
Furthermore this should not be a race issue, there should be no race issue, but a lot of these dumbasses see it as their chance to shine. Time to take back 'Murica for the blacks. Kill whitey etc.
In fairness to the peaceful protestors I AM SURE the police action has been heavy-handed in the past. Plugging someone who appears to be unarmed six times was/is heavy handed, even if the victim was a criminal and was in the process of carrying out a crime. That is an issue that needs addressing. There won't be any addressing it while this is a racial issue.
Edit: Most of these people most likely have legitimate cause for protest. The problem is, they are too ill-informed and/or too uneducated to understand and correctly formulate the issues that they wish to protest over. That is why dumbing down the population via slipping education standards is absolutely retarded in general. Sure you can make a fast buck for a while by tricking them into impoverishing themselves, but god forbid the day they turn on you, because there is absolutely no reasoning with them.
As for the looters.. well you always have 'tards trying to take advantage of unrest. They probably should not even be considered as protestors. More as petty criminals.
"beyond a shadow of a doubt", huh?
You are AMAZING! We haven't even gotten to the trial yet, and you have it all wrapped up already.
And the "witness testimony"? Are you referring to the woman who called in to a radio show and related a second-hand account? Newsflash: That isn't "witness testimony". We won't know WHAT it is until we get her on the stand, under oath...IF her 'account' even holds up under scrutiny.
Glad to hear you'd have "shot him in the pelvis a couple times", as opposed to in the head. Because ANYONE who knows ANYTHING about guns knows how EASY it is to just aim those bullets at the kneecaps, or to shoot the gun outta the perps hands...just like on TV, right?
I think half the posters here who are trying to come off as hard-ass wouldn't know WHAT to do with a gun in a 'situation', and would probably end up shooting themselves in the foot before kneecapping any perps...
Fucking SAD!
I just love how you Dirty Harry watching dipshits talk about how "easy it is" to shoot a moving target with a pistol, particularly a certain body part. Even at close range.
And that's not even counting one's own adrenaline which greatly affects one's shooting.
There is a reason cops are trained to shoot center mass.
Go learn before you speak. And do not tell me you shoot.....your comments already tell me you don't.
And stop watching the movies and thinking that's reality. "Do ya feel lucky punk, now do ya?"......Okay.
"He's on meth or crack and his 6'4" 250-lb body is going to crush me if I don't stop him now."
This reminds me of a visit to a café in Portland a few years ago where, late at night, sitting at the counter, a young man kept dozing and dropping his head, refusing to acknowledge waiter requests. After awhile police were called and while I watched, a policeman walked up and put his hand on the young man’s shoulder to see if he was all right.
Instantly, the young man, who was not large, turned and jumped the policeman, knocked him to the floor and fought him like a lion. And, as another policeman came up, it eventually took both of them to hold the man down long enough for handcuffs as he fought extremely viciously.
When they were gone I asked the waiter what that was all about. “Drugs,” he said. “They turn people into powerful monsters.”
In your story, I noticed they didn't shoot him. They didn't kick him half to death once he was handcuffed, simply because he wasn't lying completely still. These things happen far too often. Cops that act like thugs or break the law themselves must be punished the same as anyone else.
You need probable cause, not probable paranoia, you fucking idiot. STFU!
The same reason DOJ didn't want the robbery video released. THAT might actually shed some light on the situation and cause people to go home once they realize they are all on a sinking ship.
Police standing down while looting occurs? That should say it all.
They WANT this situation to escalate.
Way to go 'moms' who are out there with their three, four and five year old kids at ten o'clock at night, obviously ignoring the fear and terror on the faces of their kids. We stopped watching coverage after that, I can honestly say I hope they hand over Ferguson to the looters and tell them "welcome to your new home".
Obama blames everything (economics, school system, neighborhood) for their "situation" but no mention of parents properly raising children or having any personal responsibility for the direction their childrens lives take
Liberal Orthodoxy 101: Negroes can never be held responsible. They have no agency, and are always the victim.
Same as it ever was
Situational looting: Even the most cowardly can loot without fear of consequences.
There are so many people on this site who are missing the multiple layers of subtext in this story and for whatever reasons want to make this some "thugs vs the righteous police" story!!
First, no one has the fucking facts or real story of what happened during that shooting, saying some bullshit witnesses that the police line up and release as a news story propaganda piece after TSHTF is complete nonsense! When the IDF do this shit in Israel, this site lite's the fuck up with comment after comment of how that's Jewish overlord bullshit (which I agree BTW) because that's what out of control governments do when they are overloading and controlling their subjects, no matter where in the fucking world it happens!!
Secondly, the real story here isn't the thugs vs police, it's the fucking police states reaction to people's anger and rage they feel about what they obviously perceive as an injustice in their own community, whether you think based on governmeht created limited information to agree with them or not, it's still their right to be enraged and protest and march and confront the police in America!
The real hypocrisy here is, when Bundy took up arms against the federal government and tried to defend his land, thousands of anti government supporters from all over the west rallied on this site and others and traveled 100's if not 1000's of miles to join him and they prevailed to mostly everyone on this sites joy!! But in MO it's "thugs from out of town" coming to loot and attack the "justified and righteous police action"!!!
You either don't believe in the militarized industrial police state or you do, it's that black and white here (pun intended)!'
To believe that when urban youth are burning down this corrupt, fraud filled, tyrannical, undemocratic, bankster controlled society, it's "unjustified" and the police state IS justified and righteous in crushing it, but when rural, white, blue collar men are taking up arms against the government and preparing to kill federal and state police, it's an outrage and proof of the end of America and THOSE men are justified in doing THAT, makes you a fucking hypocritical bullshit fraud of a liberitarian or whatever the fuck you want to call yourself today!!
nice rant +1
Another point worth mentioning is, the govt has both the means and the motive to lie very effectively.
Means - how difficult would it really be to walk into a poor area like Ferguson and offer "incentives" after the fact to false witnesses? "Say this and get $5000, say something else and you get investigated for SNAP fraud." In a place like Ferguson you could have any number of "witnesses" practically for the asking. Have we forgotten the Boston Bombing issues so suddenly, or the Sandy Hook oddities?
Motive - this is sparking a national debate about police militarization and the proper role of police in the community. This is...inconvenient for some. It is much easier to drop the matter from the public mind if you shift the focus from the police to the victim, from the living who can speak to the dead who are mute. If this goes on other cases of clear police brutality may get dredged into the greater public light, and the fact police are almost never punished may get greater attention.
Another point - we have all these cameras looking at us - where is the video evidence?
You're missing the "multiple layers". Anyone who's advancing Libertarianism does so with caveats. Libertarianism can only work among civilized individuals, not among homo sapiens barely out of the atone age. I mean it can, but such a society would look like darfur. You need communities comprised of individuals who respect themselves and their fellow man. Communities comprised only of individuals thinking of "what .gov/whitey owes ME" will end up being policed by.gov/whitey. It's that simple. For every Yin there's a Yang.
Fucking A straight. And to suggest that racial overtones ARE NOT instrumental in how MOST posters here view this issue is absolutely ridiculous. If rural rednecks - hell, if white suburbanites, were burning shit down, looting and otherwise rioting the ZH crowd would be rejoicing at the sight of someone finally giving it back to the man. That these mostly urban "thugs" as they call them are raging against a machine that is oppressive to ALL OF US in some manner is just more Boyz 'n da hood slugging malt liquor and getting their shop on because of the color of their skin and perceived laziness, stupidity, [insert other generalization here].
Yeah, they are rioting and burning shit down in response to what they perceive as another inustice. And us? How about us while folk? What the fuck are we doing about rampant corruption, fraud, graft, blatant manipulation, etc? Fuck all, that's what. Yeah some wannabe cattle baron grazes his cattle on federal land, generates armed response and they're lauded for it but some pissed off dirt poor blacks are doing what we should be doing and they're just dumb coons, right?
I don't support the MIC. Neither do I recall any of the Bundy supporters looting the local Circle K and burning it to the ground. So there is that difference.
Peoplw that think the FSA is the biggest problem blame the looters. People who think the militarized police are the biggest problem blame the cops.
I wish more people understood that there are more options out there. The masses don't understand the relation between government and banksters/corps. These people think the police run themselves. Little do they know the police probably can't change their own underwear. But they can follow orders alright.
I wish more people understood that there are more options out there. The masses don't understand the relation between government and banksters/corps. These people think the police run themselves. Little do they know the police probably can't change their own underwear. But they can follow orders alright.
No, that's my point, you DO support the MIC, just NOT used against "you and yours"!!
Either the laws apply to everyone equally, or the law applies to no one! That to me, is the heart of liberitarian thinking! If the laws don't apply to the President or the generals or the police or the corporations or the bankers or the .gov workers, your telling me the "laws" against burning the fucking place to the ground do????
Are u serious???
So ill say it again, you either believe in the MIC and all of its privileged tentacles mentioned above OR YOU DON'T!
@renewable life
No, the heart of libertarian thinking is personal responsibility and respect for others. So your saying if you don't support the destruction of businesses and personal property that you automatically support an authoritarian regime? Let me know when your hommies go after .gov buildings and the St Louis Fed. Oh wait a minute, they depend on those guys too much.
Exactly. Personal freedom does not mean freedom from responsibility.
And white folk usually don't smoke swisher sweets.
@Renewable, you show you are a liberal idiot. How can you call these people protestors when they were out looting before there was even a police presence? They looted their own neighborhoods, then went home and saw on TV how they should call it a protest.
In other words, the liberal apologists gave them the excuse they needed to go back out and loot some more. We're not looters, we are protestors angry that the cops have tanks. Yeah, that's it.
whats the deal with this 'Negro Spring'? This Spring belonged to the Spics!...except they didnt make a big deal out of it...A guy has to throw props to them for invading a Nation, and not making it a Federal issue. The Spics act, and the Negroes talk...mayby they can share this well worn moniker?? Lets call it "Spic and Spade Spring"? What about 'Whitey Winter'?
Listening to Bing's 'White Christmas' on the radio, or eating at the 'Cracker Barrel' or 'White Castle' might be a bit over the top? Too rayciss too soon?
Why not arrest the press and suspend the Constitution while you're at it?
Been there, done that.
- O
For the most part the press is part of the anti-constitution socialist effort. Deciding to pick and choose stories their corporate leaders favor. It's no longer objective reporting.
I'm with you over.. I'm not undestanding the Alex Jones crowd framing this as a "Police Militarization or Abuse" issue..
This thug robbed a store, assaulted the clerk, loiters down the middle of the road, tussles with a poice officer, then charges police officer after being warned to freeze before the office unloads on him.. And it has been confirmed that was at a minimum stoned..
I don't reall see the point of controversy.. This would be a dead thug 10 out of 10 times in my book.
Amazing how deceived people can become when the Media is painting a story..
Did he purchase them or steal them? http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/did-michael-brown-steal-cigars-or-pay-for-them/
Loitering down the middle of the road - oh lordy!!!!!
Stoned has nothing to do with anything.
Why was Brown contacted by the police in the first place? Cops should only harass people that they suspect of a crime (violence against a person or property). That is the problem with the police in my book. They spend so much time starting the fire as opposed to responding to a fire, so-to-speak.
Cops have tasers and mace and such. De-escalation has been lost on the police. They are revenue generators first and foremost. They protect no one but their brethern.
It's really both. The thug got what was coming to him and his homeboys KNOW it but want moar free shit! so they go looting.
At the same time, look at the APC's, snipers, and armored vehicles the cops are using and tell me this doesn't look like what we've seen during our occupation of Iraq.
I'm not sure what you're watching, but most of the people are not rioting or looting. What I have watched for more than one night is that most are peaceful, some thugs do some fucked up shit and the cops clamp down on everybody. Rinse, wash, repeat. Eventually, if this keeps up, the people who are being peaceful are going to get sick of getting punished for what a minority does.
Not true. It's strictly NOT a numbers game. The stronger you are I.e. the more violent you are the more you will be noticed and in control..This is an unfortunate fact of life and the world is abound with such examples - Bolsheviks, nazis, ISIS. Hitler had, what, ten percent of parliamentary seats in 1933? Think ISIS would be in power were it left up to democratically held elections? Bullshit. Persuasion via civilized debate only occurs among civilized people. Among brutes the sword will rule. The question is, does a community like Ferguson perceive itself as civilized or as a jungle?
Excuse me, but are you expecting George Carlin's verion of the civil war? "Bang! Pardon me. Bang! Excuse me. I'm awfully sorry. Awfully sorry."
"The local authorities have tried everything"
You know, they tried making peace with the protestors a few days ago, and that shit fucking worked. Literally all they have to do is leave the peaceful people alone and protect the stores from looters. But they let the looters run wild while attacking protestors (thus inciting riots) and the fucking media.
It is fast looking like the only real solution will be to dismantle the entire state apparatus. This one is definitely broken.
Agreed. In response to overexposed above you, listen to tmosely. Look at how things panned out. Friday things were calm. They more or less handled things properly. Then, bam right back to where we were. Looks to me that someone wants things this way.
I've been thinking exactly this. Honestly, it seems like certain factions are working against each other - ie local police v. highway patrol - not sure where the gov fits in. Was Johnson set up? The local cheif seems to be running his own operation designed to justify his MRAPs etc.
>>>dismantle the entire state apparatus
Yeh, good luck with that. The state apparatus today is backed by guns, artillery, warships and fighter jets. Face it, you have ZERO chances of success going up against .gov head on. Your only hope is by outsmarting the .gov; opt out, use the tools at your disposal I.e. the internet and community resources to undermine the foundation of the state apparatus, which is, yes, you guessed it, FIAT and modern banking. That's the direction. Of course if you prefer, you can always join the semi-literate Ferguson jungle rabble and instagram/tweet/twat/twiddle "Revolution" as the jackboot army will militarily crush you. What do you choose? Brute force or cunning simplicity?
Zionist Banking Mafia is very nervous. It is easy to rule and control brainwashed white hoodlums in uniform but, with negro rioting, it is a new ball-game...Hollywood propaganda machine is not very helpful up there.
PS
Btoomberg News just reported that things were just fine and peaceful in MO and Ferguson specifically.
Here, take the constitution, take my copy of "The Road to Serfdom", give the police hollow point bullets and MRAPS, JUST STOP THESE TRIGGER HAPPY NEGROES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That ship sailed a long time ago.
Go ahead and junk the truth retards, but if that owner had been allowed to pull a gun from behind the counter and drop that guy right in his store that would have been the end of it.
But in your world the owner doesn't have a gun, because there is no constitution, no 2nd amendment.
You gave it all way away to be protected from trigger happy negroes.
which was my original point "that ship sailed a long time ago"
you and i live in the same world, you gave it away too. live with it and stop pointing fingers at everyone else.
You're confused, buddy. I insist that the constitution is the law of the land for everyone, you, me, negroes and the police. You're ready to chuck the constitution and the ability to personally protect your rights for blanket protection from negroes.
Big difference.
And if the ship has sailed, then the ship can turn right the fuck back and sail home.
You are delusional. You can insist all you want but it ain't exactly working out too well. The ship sailed, people long before me sold out. The ship is not turning around no matter how much you insist that it should.
You can bend over and enjoy the ride, if you like. This country got rid of slavery before and can do it again.
your own leader cliven bundy even said they were treated better as slaves. we did not get rid of slavery we just redifined it with the fsa.
My leader? No leaders!
This is a weird world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meXVDGiniso
Eventually, all charges against Luke Sanchez were dropped. He called 911 because a friend's store was being robbed. He was telling 911 what was going on when the people robbing the store came up and attacked him. It devolved to the point where he shot and killed one of the guys. If you listened to the 911 tapes, they are consistent with his story, but he was charged with murder. Charges were eventually dropped, and it came out that the DA was friends with the family of the guy who was shot, and after the charges were dropped by the courts, he was strutting around talking about how his loss proves that you can't just shoot somebody. That DA was a real piece of work.
On a further small world kind of note, Danny Hawkes, the magistrate mentioned in the video is the adoptive father of Mary Hawkes, a woman who was recently shot and killed by APD a few months ago.
Pulling a gun and shooting a guy robbing you should be the end of it, but it often will not be.
Hypocritical Police State of America.
If a CNN journalist gets arrested by the police in Egypt or some other country where there is unrest we make a big deal whereas all is A-OK here because here we stand for the rule of law. I mean only "stand" not follow.
At this point I could care less about the dead thug. It has brought awarness upon the militarization of the police. That needs to stop. At least these folks are doing something, albeit with some bad elements looting who should be stopped. We sit here and bitch online. Those folks are choking on tear gas nightly showing that Americans can and will stand up.
Well said Iridium. I was going to post something of a similar ilk but I'm more than willing to just give you kudos for saying. You seemed to cover all the necessary points. Enjoy your red flags of honor.
I remember a few months back when you said something to the point that the reds were to be taken with pride. It gave me comfort and they truly are seen as a red badge of courage. Thank you, sir. Junk away.
Except what is being done is not very indicative of a bright future for any of us.
They defend OJ, Travvon and Brown. If things keep going this direction you can see how good that will be for business.
Except what is being done is not very indicative of a bright future for any of us.
They defend OJ, Travvon and Brown. If things keep going this direction you can see how good that will be for business.
The best part of the death of Michael Brown is it shows that abject fecklesseness of the militarized police force. Stand aside and let the looters burn the city down, while strutting around on their kevlar body armor and carrying around their automatic weapons. Nice to see if you give them weapons they aren't willing to use them. Duly noted. Once again the fact that the only laws enforced on the people are the ones the people allow to be enforced, is proven.
they are simply afraid to use them on the special snowflakes........
I'm going to disagree on the particular point. It's a play on words, but I think they are standing there, not standing up.
Standing up would require arms. Knives, clubs, shields, armor, organized waves of attacks from multiple angles.
The Madians formed a fucking phalanx with shields and charged the fucking line!
I'm still laughing my fucking balls off at the "storming" of the gov's office in STL. I totally agree with the message, but the messengers came up short. It's like charging Nolan Ryan on the mound then just standing there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3niGu9d_pY
Irrelevant, even if true. No matter what they're doing, you don't shoot unarmed men six times, including two shots to the head. You're a cop; you're supposed to be paid and trained to deal with unarmed thugs without murdering them...
Oh so easy to say when you are not the person being bum rushed.
You sound like someone who has never been on the receiving end of a lethal beating. Go fcuk yourself. I am glad the thug is dead. That goes for Travvon too.
"you don't shoot unarmed men six times"
I live near a police shooting range. Its pretty common to hear
automatic weapons fire. It seems reasonable that the six shots
happened too quickly for the suspect to change his mind or the
cop for that matter.
If Brown was rushing Wilson, why didn't he aim for the knees?
I admit I know nothing about stopping a suspect, but 4 shots to the arm doesn't
seem effective.
The cops are supposed to train to deal with these stressful situations. He was supposed to be able to maintain the situation. Did he have a taser? With the shots to the body aside, how do you justify 2 shots to the head? This means he was aiming to kill and they are not supposed to kill. They are supposed to stop the aggressor and control the situation. The cop was trying to kill the dude. Thug or not, that is murder. The thug being armed only with fists and cigars.
I hope you feel that way when his 300lb cousin runs out of money and comes inside your living room looking for some more. Remember to have compassion while he is charging you.
You can have all of the training in the world. No one knows how someone is going to react when in an actual circumstance.
In this case: (pure speculation on my part - see 1st ammendment)
Cop is thinking: What are these knuckleheads doing in middle of street. Pulls over to tell knuckleheads to get out of street. (no adrenaline)
Citizen is thinking: I just took some free shit and had to push the store clerk out of way. (adrenaline is up)
Cop yells to Citizen, get out of street and goes to open door. Citizen slams door. (Witness said door richocheted.) Me - Doors don't richochet.
Cop's senses are completely overwhelmed by this response from Citizen for telling them to move out of the street. Society - People don't walk down middle of streets.
Gun goes off in cruiser, everyone's adrenaline goes through roof. Cop already overwhelmed emotionally gets pushed to 11.
Squeezes off 6 and would have squeezed off more if he had a high capacity magazine.
Maybe it was the adrenaline, but what's up with the four shots to the arm? That's a big part of the problem. If the cop had hit once or twice center mass, like they're trained, there wouldn't have been so many shots, which appears to be a big part of the problem (ie. Everyone speculating about why so many shots, why this shot, why that shot, etc.)
And everyone saying he should have shot to disable, it simply doesn't work that way. Once you have escalated to shooting, you shoot to kill. This case is a perfect example. The cop shot the dude FOUR TIMES in the arm and the dude only charged FASTER!
Sure, some seat team snipers may have specific training in "trick" shots, but a cop on the street shoots to kill
In the heat of the moment, there is no "i'm just going to shoot him in the kneecap while he's running towards me" line of thinking (presuming the officer's story is correct)... if there was, then it would be evidence of the officer's guilt. If you have the awareness (lack of fear/threat) to shoot someone in the kneecap, then you have the awareness to shoot them with a tazer or utilize some other nonlethal force. Shooting someone multiple times, aiming towards center mass, is consistent with someone who is scared. Of course, this is also how they are trained, since each time they fire a weapon, they'll have to be interviewed...
As far as training goes, a lot of cops don't fire 100 rounds a year...
The fact that the kid was shot 4 times in the arm could be a function of an incredible amount of things... his arm position while he was running, e.g. swinging over center mass (if actually running), the cop's bad aim (http://gunlink.info/forums/index.php?topic=347.0), the cop's misaligned sights because he doesn't hardly ever shoot his duty weapon, the angle of each of their bodies, etc. For those posters above who are insinuating that he meant to shoot him in the arm, I sincerely doubt it... if he could have scored a head-shot with the first bullet out of the barrel, then I think he would have preferred it, but that's not how things usually go down.
The fact that he managed 2 head-shots is interesting though. I would be curious about where each round hit, the timing, and the distance. I think it's safe to say the last 2 hits were the head-shots, but not necessarily...
As the forensic analysis suggests, the shots to the arms were because he had his hands up, he was at a distance. There was no sign of struggle, no bum-rush, and no punching or grabbing for the gun.
Not that any of that matters anyway. People who hate blacks (not necessarily you) will defend the cops to the end simply because they think anything other than white exceptionalism is animalistic (while denying all the violence of the market, biotechnology, etc.). Peace is war, don't forget that. What that means is that Peace can be much more violent than war. The hugging cops can be much more violent that the strong-armed thugs. All you need to do is look at violence from the Iraq war: how many died from direct violence as opposed to sanctions and disruption of water/electricity/necessary services? Just look at depleted uranium. One bomb kills 1-100 people, but the after effects kill thousands or perhaps millions.
The question here is: why are cops looking for trouble? Why are cops switching back and forth between the militarised and hug-a-cop tactic? What is their overall strategy? The cop that shot the kid was out of his car, seems like he was looking for trouble. If he did in fact get rushed then he could pull out his baton much quicker, or the taser. Or stay in the car and call for backup. That this procedure was not followed stinks like shit. Something is rotten in the story, as is nearly always the case in cop stories.
Do people really think this kid ran at the cop like a zombie? That says a lot. Obama is the zombie you should be worried about, and those who control him. Seems they've ate some of your brains.
And aiming for the knees would be very difficult with a pistol, not really an option.
Do I think it's possible that the same fucking guy who just robbed a store and shoved the owner away displaying complete disregard for the law possibly charged the cop? Call me crazy but yes I do. Do I believe that because he got shot in the arm that means it is forensically proven that he had his hands up and was meditating 200 yards away from police? No I do not.
If anything it proves the opposite. Cop is shooting at the body. This is a big dude, if his arms are up, there is no way cop is shooting at his arms.
The young woman named "Piaget" who is supposed to have witnessed the entire confrontation and video'd the aftermath said that Brown's arms were barely raised, hands about level with his head, and only briefly.
She isn't credible though , as she also claims the cop was trying to pull Brown into his car. Why in the f'k would a cop want to pull that big bastard into the car with him??? It's obvious that she saw Brown reaching into the car, as the cop has claimed, and interpreted that in a way that was favorable to Brown and not the cop.
I don't believe his hands were raised.
Being a possible suspect in shoving a person does not equate to 'willing to run at a police officer with a gun, just like a zombie.'
This is what trials are for. To discover what happend, and set punishment.
There needs to be a trial. Simple as that.
You wish it was that simple. In fact, I think we all do, except the niggers.
They won't rest until the cop is lynched. If the trial doesn't happen NOW they'll just keep looting and killing. It doesn't matter how much evidence shows the kid was out robbing and assaulting, how many people say he was attacking the cop, they have their meme and their sticking to it. Truth be damned. Just like OJ.
And it'll all start again when the shooting is found to be justified.
If Brown was rushing Wilson,
IF he was, then shoot away. IF he wasn't then it's pretty cold blooded murder.
This is the whole point of the problem. Some witnesses say he was standing with his hands up and was gunned down, some say he rushed the cop.
Most right wing nutjobs start the basis of their argument that Brown was rushing the cop. It's a straw man argument.
Let's hear conservitards stuck in the paradigm argue was it OK to shoot Brown if he was standing there with his hands up. That is what many of the protesters think and is why they are so upset.
You hit the nail on the head. And with every passing day you have more eye witness statements that Brown rushed the cop. Including the statement caught on tape just a minute after it happened by an eye witness. But now it's political so the facts don't matter. Not the tape of the strong armed robbery, not the tox info of Brown high on drugs, or the many accounts of him bum rushing the cops. Now it's all about how the community "feels". And by the community I don't mean the shop owners being looted or the other locals. Now it's about he New Black Panthers and Al Sharpton.
You hit the nail on the head. And with every passing day you have more eye witness statements that Brown rushed the cop.
where? I haven't seen any witness statements that say that. I am prepared to change my opinion but the only actual statements I have heard is the opposite.
As for the Youtube video with the background chatter. The closest I can find is the statement from it:
“The next thing I know, he comes back towards them. The police had his guns drawn on him."
Which doesn't mean he was charging back or not. Until the witness comes out and clarifies it, it's not that helpful. And later in the conversation it says: a
THE DUDE WAS STILL STANDING...... and HE BROKE OFF RUNNING which is conveniently missed by the right wing websites.
I will leave it up to the prosecutor who says:
The reliability of those heard speaking cannot be verified, but Ed Magee, spokesman for the St. Louis County Prosecutor's Office, said investigators are aware of the video and others allegedly taken at the scene and are trying to track down witnesses through them.
The cop had a busted eye orbital....you need to find new news sources...the ones you are using are hiding info from you...
You really don't know anything, especially about the use of guns. If you decide your life is in danger and pull out your gun....you don't aim for the knees, stupid. You aim for the biggest body part. You keep shooting until the threat is neutralized. If that means six shots, some of them in the head, then that's what it means. Can't believe you pussies who think you know something about the use of guns. Probably this perp in Ferguson thought the same way..oh we'll I can just do whatever I want to this cop because he won't shoot, and if he does it won't hurt anyway.....and besides he has a responsibility to protect me even when he's shooting at me........
What a load of nonsense.
"You really don't know anything, especially about the use of guns. ....you don't aim for the knees, stupid."
Clint, your an asshole, who thinks with his balls(probably lead ones', not having the other kind)
I have more first hand knowledge of guns than I care to, having been shot 50 years ago.
I didn't say he should've aimed at the knees, I merely asked.
The Mozambique Drill [1] is a close-quarter shooting technique in which the shooter fires twice into the torso of a target (known as a double tap to the center of mass), momentarily assesses the hits, then follows them up with a carefully aimed shot to the head of the target. The third shot should be aimed to destroy the brain or brain stem, killing the target and preventing the target from retaliating.
If this was anything like the Wilson's intent, he was a bad shot.
Go back and read your post whining about why didn't the cop shoot for his knees. Pretending you didn't really mean what you clearly said might reflect an attitude that would get you shot, in certain situations.
We would all now like to know where (in which body part) you were shot, to assess your posts more comprehensibly.
Oh, and thanks so much for the Mozambique Drill. We really needed that.
6 shots is not the issue here. 6 shots, or 1 in the heart still means the guy is dead. The issue here is whether the cop legitimately feared for his life when he fired the first shot. The issue here is whether the witnesses are lying or the cop is lying. Or both. If your adrenaline is pumping, you can empty a mag before your mind catches up to what effect those shots have had. With most pistol rounds, 1 shot is not enough to stop a determined attacker. Anybody worth shooting once is worth shooting twice, or so the saying goes, and most people turn into horrible shots under stress. The big thing is if the cop was justified in shooting that first shot, and we all know that ghetto rats lie and cops lie.
If you shoot for the knees when your adrenaline is pumping, you deserve what you get. Thats either a lawsuit or a knife to the throat. The vast majority of people lose fine motor skill when they are under severe stress. You aim for center of mass.
the officer was shooting at the target as it presented itself to him. if the guy was rushing him ( linebacker style) you would get the shot pattern you see in the autopsy report.
Pulling all his shots to the left indicates too much trigger finger ( he was mashing the trigger) pulling all his shots left of center.
He did as he was trained and kept shooting until the threat was neutralized.
Good For Him.
You shoot until the threat is over -
It is not like the movies & TV shows - where one gun shot shot immediately causes the bad guy drop over dead.
Many cases - bad guys have been hit multiple times and the continued to fight.
Even well placed shots in the chest that will eventually cause death can still take minutes to render the person no longer a threat. A few shots in the arm - do little to stop someone intent on attacking you.
No you dont shot to kill. The job is to bring them in ALIVE, if you cant do that find another job. Go wash windows or something.
If you pull out a gun you shoot until the threat is neutralized. You don't shoot to bring them in alive. You have no training in the use of firearms, it's pretty obvious.
It should be pointed out that you don't shoot to kill either. Center of mass, and if the guy survives, great. If not, great. So long as you survive. Saying "I was shooting to kill" is a good way to get prosecuted, even in legitimate cases of self defense. Unless you're a cop.
Absolute b*llshit. I hope you never get into it with the police involving a gun. Every cop is taught to shoot to stop the threat. And I mean every cop. No cop is expected to risk his life by aiming to hit an arm or leg.
Window Washers don't need failed coppers providing more competition and when soldiers and cops fire weapons, it is to kill the target, no other goal. that is a well known fact of life...
bbq on whitehou...
You are funny - you must be about my age (56)
This is called Mayberry rules - Andy knows how to handle a feud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSxvTeyQjgs
Unless you are using something big enough to send a pressure wave through the ciruclatory system that basically knocks out a person's brain or you hit the central nervous system, a person who gets shot in the heart can continue for 5-15 seconds.
Over a dozen witnesses confirm cop's story of Michael Browns shooting:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08/18/report-more-than-a-dozen-witn...
you need a second reputable unbiased news source to prove your point. See if the Enquirer is running the same story.
Just like the Blaze provides backup of these more than a dozen eye witness testimonies so do you..oh wait, they don't.
Supposedly police told the reporter they had these reports..... but don't provide any proof. But don't worry, a friend of the officers girlfriend who was told by the girlfriend who was told by the officer, that was what happened, so it must have.
disclaimer: i really don't know what happened but damned if I believe a friend of a friend reiteration as proof, or supposed eyewitness testimonies that they supposedly have but have not released but really just trust the police because, with all this written from a biased news source that caters to the right wing conservitards.
Let's get these 'witnesses' under oath and compare their stories with the forensic evidence.
You don't have any experience with guns do you? You've never been in a fire fight, have you?
You actually think the cop was shooting at the guy's left arm and hitting the target when he had his hands up? Like some western movie perhaps? Then maybe for show he shot at the bill of his baseball cap, blew it off his head, nicked off a few buttons off his shirt, undid his belt buckle with a wing-shot and then finally, skillfully dropped him with two masterful shot to the head?
You must have a very clean navel
Is hat NeoCon f**k Glenn Beck (The Blaze) still telling his listeners that we need to take illegal aliens into our homes to be good Christians? Is he still fawning over the butchers of Gaza daily?
The video has been taken down.
Wow! This is a great source for news. Thanks for letting us all know about it!
The Blaze? Seriously? I mean they all suck so who am I to say one totally influenced by special interst money media outlet is better than another?
I mean Glenn Beck is good for a laugh.
I wouldn't be surprised is underneath all the propaganda here, there were really foreign agents instigating the protesters. Just like what american / israel did is so many countries recently, except this time its in our own country. You are right, the actual evidence is overwhelming in favor of the cops version of things, but you wouldn't know that by reading the headlines or listening to the propaganda machine. That's actually the most confusing part of this, since that same propaganda is motly owned by a small group of people thought to be friendly to usa interested. Like we're living in a movie.
What a bullshit story. Totally expected from an outfit like The Blaze, or Fox News. And "Josie", a friend of the cop, said what he told her matches his story. Is that what passes for corroboration these days? Of course the cop is going to say whatever he needs to say to justify his actions. Regardless, the two head shots amount to a murder of an unarmed man who, at that point in the incident, surely posed no threat to the policeman.
It's odd those bullets out Ferguson way don't work like the ones I use.
Firing inside a cop car - yet no evidence of bullet holes that I've seen.
Helicopters fired on, so a no-fly zone is imposed ... Yet no holes in helicopter.
"Cops under heavy fire" which to me reads as a belt fed crew served weapon or maybe mortars ... Yet no shot cops or evidence of bullet strikes?
Seems to me the only bullets as designed that work in Ferguson are the ones that travel from a cop's gun into the flesh of civilians.
i don't get it... how do these people spend half the night destroying things and then get up for work the next morning? I need at least 6 hours sleep before getting up at 5:30am...
LOL! Jobs... that's so yesterday.
They work the night shift you silly man you.
No Work Bitchez!! S/
Define "heavy gunfire". Did any police get shot? What kind of gunfire, pistols, rifles, semiautomatic? Can we see the wounded? Anybody dead? Any 'shooters' captured? Any film of the shooting? The police are not firing back? Remember these are American police were talking about.
Was this kind of 'live fire' simulated in the police exercise held in Ferguson a few months back?
People were throwing pop tarts in the shape of guns at the officers.
I am sure they will be suspended from school for that.
There you have it, hug-a-cop is being used to get white folks to be ok with 'We shot some black thugs, folks.' Even calling for it themselves.
Where's your revolution now? Sounds more like people here want a coup.
Although Hug-a-looter works really well in getting the laissez-fairists calling for darkie blood.
In Ferguson, as in Iraq and Afghanistan, the terrorists consider reporters as targets when the reporters actually go in the field. When the Ferguson police plastered peaceful demonstrators with CS tear gas and hard rubber bullets, the purpose was to terrorize the populace. The ISIS and Nazi mentality, dominate by fear.
By the way, the Baden autopsy results can indicate that officer Wilson killed Brown with two shots to the head, then fired a batch more in his Brown's arm to make it appear that Brown was holding something, say a gun. The trouble was, Wilson never had a chance to plant a "throwdown" gun on the ground, too many witnesses in broad daylight.
I wonder how many unsolved homicides there are in Ferguson.
"It undermines, rather than advancing Justice"---says, Obama. How the fuck would he know? He wouldn't know what Justice looked like if it bit him in the ass? Shoot some more Cops; but aim better. A little conference where the idea comes up, that, "hey, this is expensive; this getting shot, shit. Maybe we should stop shooting everybody in the neighborhood?; now that could be how some justice comes a little closer.
Is "Officer Wilson" going to be fired, and blacklisted, so to speak, from police work? Cause that's what needs to be done. Enough with the free homicides for Cops, already, it sucks.
It's so steamy hot outside today... must be Negro Spring!
When a kid gets killed by a cop in Missouri his people stand up and fight against a perceived injustice. When a kid is killed in an unjust, unconstitutional, and immoral war thousands of miles away his people sit passively by and continue to send their other children to enlistment centers. Strange.
Maybe they should try having police that act like police instead of SS troopers out for a kill. Just a thought.