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Why So Much Anger In Ferguson? 10 Facts About The Massive Economic Gap Between White & Black America

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Submitted by Michael Snyder of The Economic Collapse blog,

When people feel like they don't have anything else to lose, they are likely to do just about anything.  Many in the mainstream media seem absolutely mystified as to why there is so much anger in Ferguson, but as I pointed out yesterday, all of this anger did not erupt out of a vacuum.  Economic conditions in Ferguson, and for African-Americans as a whole, have been deteriorating for years.  Sadly, many white Americans are totally oblivious to any of this.  Many of them have absolutely no idea that the unemployment rate for black Americans is more than twice as high as it is for white Americans or that the average white household has 22 times as much wealth as the average black household. 

But these are things that black communities are acutely aware of.  Many African-Americans that live in poor neighborhoods deeply resent the fact that most of the people that live in the "good neighborhoods" are white while most of the people that live in "bad neighborhoods" are people of color.  In fact, in America today a black child is nearly four times as likely to live in an impoverished neighborhood as a white child is.  And when you throw endless police brutality and growing racial division in America into the mix, it is easy to understand why so many black Americans are so angry and frustrated these days.

Things didn't have to turn out this way.  If we had all learned how to love one another and not judge one another by skin color, we could have had the kind of society that Martin Luther King once dreamed about...

And when this happens, when we allow freedom to ring, when we let it ring from every village and hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! Free at last! Thank God almighty, we're free at last!"

But instead we have allowed ourselves to become increasingly divided.  And I am sure that fact will once again be reflected in the comments following this article.  There is so much anger and hatred in America today, and people seem to love to express their anger and hatred on the Internet.

For white Americans (myself included), I think that it would be good for us to put ourselves in the shoes of the people of Ferguson for a few moments.  For years, the economy of Ferguson has been declining.  The following is how Brookings summarized the current economic situation...

The city’s unemployment rate rose from less than 5 percent in 2000 to over 13 percent in 2010-12. For those residents who were employed, inflation-adjusted average earnings fell by one-third. The number of households using federal Housing Choice Vouchers climbed from roughly 300 in 2000 to more than 800 by the end of the decade.


Amid these changes, poverty skyrocketed. Between 2000 and 2010-2012, Ferguson’s poor population doubled. By the end of that period, roughly one in four residents lived below the federal poverty line ($23,492 for a family of four in 2012), and 44 percent fell below twice that level.

And as the New York Times recently detailed, racial tensions have been rising in the city for a very long time...

As African-Americans moved into the city and whites moved out, real estate agents and city leaders, in a pattern familiar elsewhere in the country, conspired to keep blacks out of the suburbs through the use of zoning ordinances and restrictive covenants. But by the 1970s, some of those barriers had started to fall, and whites moved even farther away from the city. These days, Ferguson is like many of the suburbs around St. Louis, inner-ring towns that accommodated white flight decades ago but that are now largely black. And yet they retain a white power structure.


Although about two-thirds of Ferguson residents are black, its mayor and five of its six City Council members are white. Only three of the town’s 53 police officers are black.

So it is understandable why a lot of Ferguson residents are so angry and so frustrated.

However, there is absolutely no excuse for the looting and the property destruction that have taken place.

Alternatively, there is absolutely no excuse for how brutally the (mostly white) police have handled peaceful protesters and the media.  The police have been using smoke bombs, tear gas, flash bang grenades, rubber bullets and LRAD sound cannons against protesters that are not even armed.  Meanwhile, the police have been doing next to nothing to stop criminals from looting stores and businesses all over Ferguson.  It has pretty much been a textbook case of what not to do during a period of civil unrest.

Hopefully cooler heads will prevail and things will calm down in Ferguson soon.

But that doesn't mean that the underlying problems will have been fixed.  The truth is that I believe that this is just a preview of what is coming to America in the years ahead.  And much of the anger and frustration that is bubbling just under the surface in our communities has an economic element to it.  The following are 10 startling facts about the massive economic gap between white America and black America that we see in our country today...

#1 For decades, the unemployment rate for black Americans has consistently been more than twice as high as the unemployment rate for white Americans.  In July 2014, the official unemployment rate for white Americans was 5.3 percent.  Meanwhile, the official unemployment rate for black Americans was 11.4 percent.

#2 A report released earlier this year discovered that the "underemployment rate" for African-American workers was 20.5 percent.  But for white Americans it was only 11.8 percent.

#3 A study released back in 2012 found that the average white household has 22 times as much wealth as the average black household.

#4 African-American households make up only about 13 percent of the population, but they receive more than 26 percent of the food stamp benefits.

#5 One study discovered that 82 percent of white students graduate from high school but only 63.5 percent of black students do.

#6 Pew Research found that the income gap between white Americans and black Americans has continued to grow ever since the late 1960s...

The difference in median household incomes between whites and blacks has grown from about $19,000 in 1967 to roughly $27,000 in 2011 (as measured in 2012 dollars).

#7 In the United States today, 12 percent of white children live in areas of concentrated poverty, but 45 percent of African-American children do.

#8 According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 19.9 percent of white children live in single parent homes.  But for black children, the number is an astounding 52.1 percent.

#9 Since 1960, the percentage of white American adults that are married has declined from 74 percent to 55 percent.  But for African-Americans the decline has been even more dramatic.  Since 1960, the percentage of black American adults that are married has declined from 61 percent to 31 percent.

#10 In the United States, the incarceration rate for black men is more than six times higher than it is for white men.

So how do we solve these problems?  People have been debating this for years, but nothing ever seems to actually get accomplished.

Meanwhile, the middle class continues to collapse and things continue to get even tougher for African-American communities.  The following is an excerpt from a recent piece that Kareem Abdul-Jabbar wrote for Time magazine entitled "The Coming Race War Won’t Be About Race"...

Dystopian books and movies like Snowpiercer, The Giver, Divergent, Hunger Games, and Elysium have been the rage for the past few years. Not just because they express teen frustration at authority figures. That would explain some of the popularity among younger audiences, but not among twentysomethings and even older adults. The real reason we flock to see Donald Sutherland’s porcelain portrayal in Hunger Games of a cold, ruthless president of the U.S. dedicated to preserving the rich while grinding his heel into the necks of the poor is that it rings true in a society in which the One Percent gets richer while our middle class is collapsing.


That’s not hyperbole; statistics prove this to be true. According to a 2012 Pew Research Center report, just half of U.S. households are middle-income, a drop of 11 percent since the 1970s; median middle-class income has dropped by 5 percent in the last ten years, total wealth is down 28 percent. Fewer people (just 23 percent) think they will have enough money to retire. Most damning of all: fewer Americans than ever believe in the American Dream mantra that hard work will get them ahead.

I wish that I could be more optimistic about the future of this country.

I wish that I could believe that we won't see a tremendous amount of chaos in the streets of America in the years ahead.

Unfortunately, the truth is that what is happening in Ferguson right now is just the tip of the iceberg.  Once we hit the next major wave of our ongoing economic collapse, unemployment and economic despair in our major cities are going to grow rapidly.  This will fuel more anger, more frustration, more protests, more looting and more rioting.

It has been said that desperate people do desperate things.  And in the years ahead, ordinary Americans are going to become increasingly desperate.


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Tue, 08/19/2014 - 21:53 | 5117987 Elliptico
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As we know, all whites are fabulously wealthy.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:06 | 5118035 nmewn
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Dumbest article yet on ZH.

I'm gonna have to find another place to hang out.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:18 | 5118045 AssFire
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Have you seen the recent dumb fuck socialist/ occupy comments as well??

all new arrivals decimating the place.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:41 | 5118205 Ben Ghazi
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Whites should do what blacks do:


read books, have a job, invest, dress in thrifty clothing, drive old Nissan Stanzas with stock wheels,  .........

then whites would have have alot of money like blacks do.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:44 | 5118216 Slave
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I thought ZH liked personal responsibility. What the fuck happened to that? Blacks aren't responsible for their status? Racism is? Rate this fucking article a 1 so they don't post bullshit like this again.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:48 | 5118237 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Where was affirmative action when I need a job? Where was the federal gubbimint when I lost a job due to discrimination? No favorites when I went to college. Ohhh wait I see, being white means that I get the luck of paying for these lazy bastards to sit on their ass, loot their neighbors and blame me for the problems. F*&k you Snyder you damn libtard!!!

Tyler, please don't post more Huffpo like crap anymore.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:15 | 5118337 BKbroiler
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Gotta love it.  Someone dares point out that blacks have it worse and the right wing idiot parade goes to work, of course anonymously.  Bunch of fuckin' pansies you all are.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:27 | 5118374 JoeSexPack
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That's funny. Blacks live over 10x better in majority-white societies than in majority-black places.


Much of this is due to taxes on working whites given to non-working blacks (food stamps, welfare, section 8). Most of the rest is due to gov't jobs & affirmative-action.


Blacks in Haiti, Nigeria, Zaire & New Guinea know better. So do the smarter, Libertarian blacks in N America. They have real opportunities to advance here.


Very funny that the whining about white racism is loudest among blacks benefiting the most from whites. Most of them, & their white Liberal sympathizers, are literally too stupid to see this.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:37 | 5118403 BKbroiler
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jesus you're quite the anthropologist.  you should make your views public and write a paper showing just how much you know about black inferiority.  Then we could make new segregation laws and name them in your honor.  A 'la Crow.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:59 | 5118471 TFD123
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Has ZH been taken over by our politically correct DC overlords?  Pravda media consolidation?

Racial differences exist.  No amount of government policy can make them not exist.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:02 | 5118475 BKbroiler
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Has ZH been taken over by our politically correct DC overlords?

nope, got hijacked by the tea party.  Not everybody is supposed to agree in the comment section.  That's called groupthink, and it's fucking pathetic, bunch of idiots all saying the same shit waiting for upvotes.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:07 | 5118484 Slave
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I didn't know the Tea Party hated all the wars and Israel and thought voting was worthless. Thanks for letting me know.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 01:34 | 5118678 Four chan
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average iq 80, elevated testosterone, committing violent crime at the ratio of 8:1 over whites or roughly

the same ratio of that between violent crime of men over women. now those are 3 facts.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 04:58 | 5118847 Kobe Beef
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Low conscientiousness, low future time orientation, considerably lesser development of the prefrontal cortex.

3 more.

Look, complex societies are difficult to navigate. Considerably more so when one's genes promote primitive cognitive capabilities.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 05:53 | 5118889 BigJim
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 So how do we solve these problems?  People have been debating this for years, but nothing ever seems to actually get accomplished.

It's 'our' (read: government) trying to 'solve' these problems that made them what they are.

LBJ killed the burgeoning Black middle class. Encouraging illegitimacy by subsidising parenthood via social welfare payments and housing, and minimum wage laws that make hiring un(der)skilled minorities uneconomic, and voila! you have what we have today.

Sowell's Race and Culture is a real eye-opener on this subject.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 05:56 | 5118892 MalteseFalcon
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This whole issue of "Whites got more than Blacks"  is completely unacceptable and irrelevant.  Any segment of the 1% that thinks they are getting economically short changed should know where to go.  To the 1% people who have all the wealth, income and power.  99% Americans of all colors have zero impact on government policy and even less impact on corporate policy.

This is simply an attempt to divide and conquer the American people.  It is a trite political maneuver last tried in the 1970s.  G-d help any politician pushing this tripe.

The real issue of Ferguson is the militarization of police forces in America.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 06:14 | 5118903 FredFlintstone
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How can the whole issue of Ferguson be about the militarization of the police force when it started with a thug being shot with a handgun?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 07:21 | 5118983 MalteseFalcon
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Who cares what incident came first?  The police have a militarized attitude and view all Americans as Palestinians.  When the people peacefully protested the act, they were met with a military onslaught.  Unacceptable.


Wed, 08/20/2014 - 08:28 | 5119086 FredFlintstone
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Wed, 08/20/2014 - 08:27 | 5119089 FredFlintstone
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Peacefully protest?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 14:55 | 5121385 MalteseFalcon
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Do you get paid more than minimum wage working in a boiler room?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:12 | 5118503 Jim in MN
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ZH hasn't been taken over by anything and won't be.

ZH is like a Chinese finger puzzle....for your brain. 

Only less communist. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:18 | 5118521 Dangertime
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Blacks "having it worse" is debateable....but even if they did, it doesn't grant the right to rob a store, assault a police officer and then riot when he goes back for seconds and gets a well-deserved bullet to the head for it.


I grew up in a Trailer-Park as one of four boys to parents without a high school education.  My parents went to bed hungry so my brothers and I could eat.


I still went to college and worked hard to get everything I have today.  Don't give me the bull$hit that these people can't do it as well.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 01:32 | 5118672 Vart Drader
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It starts with the schools. Check this out: Los Angeles schools to ease discipline policies to stem dropouts

Under the plan, students caught with tobacco, alcohol or marijuana or who commit minor vandalism or get into fights that do not cause serious injury will ... not be arrested or issued citations .. to stem dropouts


Wed, 08/20/2014 - 08:07 | 5119048 p00k1e
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‘It starts with the schools.’

Less than two weeks until those Milky White X-ian girls encounter the Latino Lovers w/tatts in the school system.

Look for a lot of baby carriages with mixed contents next spring.


Wed, 08/20/2014 - 05:07 | 5118853 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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It's easy to willfully ignore asymmetric situations when they are in your favour. To us Westerners, everything looks neutral, because we are blind to our own privileges.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 07:27 | 5118988 TheMeatTrapper
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Look up the NAACP. Get their address and put a nice fat check in the mail to them. It's time for YOU to step up and do YOUR part to help out! Fairness doesn't stop at the border, comrade. Lead the way!!

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 06:08 | 5118898 Frankie Carbone
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Three things you can do. 

1. Vent your frustration like I do by showing them that you have more respect for cockroaches and malaria than you do for their existence. Use words like "useless eaters", "surplus humans", and "useful idiots". They like that. 

2. Prepare for the coming collapse. Divide and conquer has all but baked that into the cake by now. 

3. Take solace in knowing that per (2), most of these people are going to be naturally selected in a decade or two. 


Wed, 08/20/2014 - 09:26 | 5119358 Uncle Remus
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So, expand the Darwin Awards then.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:23 | 5118527 MontgomeryScott
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@ 'BKbroiler':

Three generations of spoon-fed 'entitlement' combined with 'progressive' teaching about the 'wrongs' suffered by 'ancestors' (along with the stripping off of any family values en toto) have combined to create a subcaste generation of 'FSA' (also known as welfare-sucking leech maggots) who ALSO happen to be members of a 'specific' race (in this case, descendents of Negroid origins). Their taught ignorance for the past 60 years, combined with the teaching that they have no need to do for themselves because they are 'entitled', has made them in to hostile and unthinking fools (overall). THIS FACT, combined with the outsider influences (like the CPUSA bussing in whole shitloads of people to act as 'agents provocetuer'; and the militarized 'veterans' displacing the local police over the past 15 years) is almost enough to cause the spark that will bring in an overthrow of the Constitutional Republic (in terms of 'overall martial law' being declared throughout the 48 contigious States).

THAT, and the 17 trillion that the FEDGOV owes to the Chinese (and everyone else)...

THAT, and the continuous off-shoring of jobs in the past 30 years that has decimated any hope of rising in to the 'middle class'...

THAT, and the appearance that the POLICE are in fact FULLY MILITARIZED and view the people they were sworn to 'protect and serve' as THE ENEMY...

YOU, however, are a total douche for even referring to this issue as one of RACE (showing just how much you know about black inferiority).


The article is a 'race-baiter', but YOU are the 'RACIST'.

The 'MASSIVE ECONOMIC GAP' has NOTHING to do with what race one is 'genetically predisposed'. There are BANKSTERS, MINIONS of BANKSTERS, and 'lowlife scum'. PERIOD.

I wonder which 'race' is disproportionally and overtly represented within the "BANKSTERS" subset.


I really enjoyed Mel Brooks. He knew all about the difference between ZIONISTS and so-called 'JEWS'.


Haifa weather is better than Florida this time of year, I understand.

'To Be, Or Not To Be':

It's not 'black or white'. It's GREEN, isn't it, 'BK'?

I wonder what kind of shit this fuck is gonna say about what I POST!


Wed, 08/20/2014 - 04:17 | 5118826 Canoe Driver
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Up arrow, BK. The reality is, and I say this as a white guy, nobody will hire a black person, all other things being equal, unless they are forced to do so by a quota. And it's not just blacks. There is a melanin hierarchy in place, and we all know it. It's wrong, and it's ignorant and destructive.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 05:07 | 5118852 Kobe Beef
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About that melanin hierarchy..

Bet you didn't know that. Because you've been lied to about race your whole life. Luckily for you, you have Zero Hedge. 

So, now tell me who is ignorant: Realists or Multikultists?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 06:35 | 5118857 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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Correct. The South African Apartheid regime operated on a similar premise -- they gave colored people with light(er) skin tone better treatment and more privileges than colored people with dark(er) skin tones, fostering internal divisions among non-whites and thereby preventing them from making common cause.

What's bone chilling is that the Western media uses a similar approach today. Colored women who bleach their hair and/or skin and who use wigs, weaves or hair-extensions (i.e.: who "Europeanise" in their appearance) are given preferential treatment in the media over colored women who remain natural. For all intents and purposes, the Western media promotes and rewards white-washing among women, and directly borrows from the practices of South Africa's Apartheid regime in how it sets out to achieve this.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 07:29 | 5118993 TheMeatTrapper
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It's bone chiilling how the NFL and NBA deliberately discriminate aginst white people based on the color of their skin. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 06:19 | 5118906 ohBehave
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If someone fails to hire blacks, they are probably merely afraid of the possible accusations that can come if things don't go well.   Fire a white guy?  "buh bye"   Fire a black guy? "I'm getting sued????"

A biz owner fears the minefield of "racism!" accusations.   Not something that you want when you are also trying to keep your biz afloat.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 06:44 | 5118941 hot sauce technician
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Bullshit. You're talking about the crony sector maybe. In the actual free market if you know how to cater to demand you will get work.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 07:27 | 5118991 firstdivision
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Pretty sure Ferguson exploded mostly due to the fact that the police force in Ferguson ran more like a Gustapo.  Example, that dude they jailed for having a similar name to a suspect, then realizing he's the wrong guy, still throw him in jail, beat the shit out of him, charge him with destruction of property for bleeding after the severe beating, then act like they did nothing wrong.  That there shows me that there is a problem with the police force, the people in Ferguson don't mind their distribution on the wealth curve, they mind the people that are "protecting them" from themselves. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 10:24 | 5119687 PrintemDano
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If I chose to spend my late teens and early twenties partying, fucking, and robbing people , all while not working  I'd have it worse too....dumbass.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 06:38 | 5118931 oudinot
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If you are really a white man, please don't cry-'when I lost a job to discrimination'-like an old,whiny  woman.

It's unseemly.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:49 | 5118242 Syrin
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Not to mention that blacks repeatedly and religiously vote for the liberal in EVERY election no matter how much their situation turns to shit.   It never even occurs to them that they should try actually voting conservative.   Even worse, when blacks are polled on issues, and not told which party stands for which side, they consistently are conservative in their value base, aside from the gov't dependency/entitlement mentality which has been indoctrinated into them since they were born.   Look at Detroit.   Liberal waste land run exclusively by blacks.   They vote like Pavlov's dog would.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:48 | 5118590 MontgomeryScott
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@ 'Syrin':

"Not to mention...".

Three little words, with SO MUCH importance!

NOT (as in, DO NOT, SHALL NOT, WILL NOT, 'NO', as opposed to 'YES')

TO (as in a 'destination descriptor', like 'we are going to end up in' but in PRESENT TENSE, like 'we are GOING TO...')

MENTION (as in, 'speak of', 'pass the word', 'bring up in conversation', 'interject for discusion')


OH. I think I understand now.

I read the post you did here, and you equate anyone who has negroid blood with Pavlov's dogs ("They vote like Pavlov's dog would.").

Atta boi, boi!

'RACIAL DIVISION' is one of the 47 plank subsets, isn't it?


Dem niggahs and dem spics and dem libs and dem wops and dem sheenies and dem frenchies and dem huns and dem ruskies and dem ANTIDISESTABLISHMENTARIANS is what done it!

I take it, you're CURCUMSIZED. THAT is what sets YOU apart from all the 'rabble'. Some MOYLE bit off your foreskin, on the EIGHTH DAY of your life. Everyone ELSE (aforementioned) are DOGS.

The largest 'minority' in Detroit consists of people who claim 'MUSLIM' as their 'religion'. They don't seem to be prediposed to 'NEGRO', by the way.

THEY go for the foreskin cutting shit, and don't eat pigs, and consider Saturday as a 'holy day' (just like YOU do).




Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:50 | 5118243 Syrin
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double post error

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:50 | 5118247 dryam
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Victomhood begets victomhood.

It's not rocket science, and it's not politically correct. It is what it is.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 01:07 | 5118441 algol_dog
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Funny how all the other races that come here seem somehow to make it here. I'm sure that hard work and determination had nothing to do with it. The Mexicans take unbelievable risk to come here for the chance of a better life for themselves, and especially their children. That all being said, those commentator's and leaders shown on TV may want to reveal the truth to America, that the white race is a dying breed on its way to extinction. I can pretty much assure black America, that those that will be left to fill that void will hardly have any pity for them. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 04:18 | 5118827 Lea
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Slave, just you try to be responsible when you've been born and raised in a no-jobs, no-opportunity, no-money, no-education wasteland. Speaking is easy. Anyone can do it.

And claiming that "aren't Blacks responsible for their status?" in a country where the Blacks were first forcefully brought over as slaves, then contained with Jim Crow and segregation laws is beyond cheeky.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 05:25 | 5118862 Kobe Beef
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They were enslaved by their own kind in Africa and brought here by a ruling class interested in cheap labor. Sound familiar, DREAMers? Jim Crow was to prevent the Detroiting of Southern cities. Abraham Lincoln and Bull Connor understood this. Northern Puritans? Not so much. Look at what desegregation has wrought across America's schools, cities, and public spaces, and tell me it's a good thing.

It's not. And contrary to the Equalist and Multikult Mythos of the American Melting Pot, some peoples in the aggregrate are inassimiliable. I can see.

further reading...

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 06:42 | 5118936 oudinot
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You are incorrect.

Slaves were bought, largely, by black Muslims.  "Their own kind"-man, you really are dumb.  In colonial Africa the 'Aricans  were thousands of tribes all different , they were not 'their own kind' as you ignorantly put it.


Wed, 08/20/2014 - 07:50 | 5119027 Oxbo Rene
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They're own color = fixed it .....

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 07:54 | 5119030 Kobe Beef
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Is English your first language? You need to read primary sources. Livingstone, Speke, and Burke will get you started. 

Were the Bantus muslim? During their expansion throughout Sub-saharan Africa, they enslaved most of the other tribes they warred against. Those that they did not cannibalize, of course. 

Were the Zulu muslim? Or the Hottentots? or the Khoisan peoples?

So some black Muslims bought slaves. They were still black Africans. My orignial point still stands. Dutch, Jewish, and Anglo traders also bought slaves.

Nevertheless, the people primarily responsible for enslaving Africans were other Sub-saharan Africans. Your thousands of tribes practiced both inter- and intra-tribal slavery. 

So tell me, who is ignorant? Ignorant of what?


Wed, 08/20/2014 - 08:04 | 5119044 overmedicatedun...
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kobe, you got the beef! truth is truth, but for "eyes wide shut" cannot be seen, nor can it's implications be allowed to come to is better to keep to lies otherwise years of programs based on these lies are policy designed to control the black in society for the benefit of a very few.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 09:23 | 5119344 oudinot
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Primary sources are dated, myopic, subjectivamd lack perspective .  Objective histories are much more intellectually fruitful

If you really want to learn about the slave trade I would strongly suggest, "The Slave Trade; The History of the Atlantic Slave Trade: 1440-1870, Hugh Thomas, ,Simon and Schuster Inc., New York, 1997.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 13:29 | 5120821 LauraB
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The Truth About Slavery: Past, Present, and Future:

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 10:49 | 5119864 markpower49
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Blacks and white progressives don't deserve to live in the US. Cleanse ourselves of them.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:10 | 5118048 The Gooch
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Tyler Cliquebait.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:12 | 5118061 fonzannoon
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Look down the line, nmewn....the gooch....doc...everyone on here looking for a new watering hole...sad.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:18 | 5118341 BKbroiler
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let's hope they find it, this place is becoming unbearable.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:57 | 5118611 MontgomeryScott
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Let's try posting this in a 'response' mode.




Wed, 08/20/2014 - 01:24 | 5118660 nobodyimportant
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a dirty mouth does not make a witty responce

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 01:50 | 5118704 MontgomeryScott
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I sit and re-read my real and unambivilous postings, and await the 'social media' responses by those would try to ingratiate me by attempting to call me by the 'familiar' fisrt name 'MONTY'.

I COULD be a disaffected black teenager, or a Mexican 'migrant', or George Soros himself (in repentence for past sins against humanity), but those who seek to kill and destroy don't really give a shit; now; do they?

When I check my 'junk mail' tomorrow, I'll see advertisements for Chinese and Russian women, Viagra, Canadian drug suppliers, and 'Investment Opportunities'. There'll be emails from all types of religions, and the Dem/Rep false paradigms will want me to sign up on their 'email' lists. There might even be emails that when I open them will download 'child porn' without my consent so that the DHS can swoop my house and put me in prison as a 'terr-er-ist'.



Wed, 08/20/2014 - 02:14 | 5118721 nobodyimportant
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Suggestion:  you might benefit by adjusting your spam filters and changing search engines.  Some search engines do not leave as many tracks as others.

Just a thought.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 06:45 | 5118942 oudinot
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They can take their uneducated views somewhere else, its not sad whatsoever.

People , posters who are against articles that don't match their pre progammed -and often ignorant-ideology are not educated.  Diverse views bring diverse discussion which brings intellectual growth.

Reading articles that only suit your personal beliefs is limiting and anti intellectual.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:17 | 5118085 nobodyimportant
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Don't let the door hit you in the ass!

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:19 | 5118092 fonzannoon
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I won't. It's all yours man.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:21 | 5118100 nobodyimportant
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Thanks - adios.  Don't come back no more - hit the road.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:24 | 5118119 AssFire
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you lack respect.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:34 | 5118167 Dr. Engali
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Don't worry, he's nobodyimportant.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:07 | 5118307 LFMayor
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True Dat

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:24 | 5118122 fonzannoon
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You got it. this is my last post. I promise to you nobodyimportant that I will never post on here again.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:26 | 5118126 fonzannoon
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nobodyimportant I changed my mind i'm just going to go ahead and keep posting until I decide otherwise. 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:29 | 5118137 The Gooch
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Libertah! Fonz!


Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:29 | 5118138 FredFlintstone
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Too funny.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:30 | 5118155 nobodyimportant
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all mouth - no follow through

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:35 | 5118176 Dr. Engali
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That's what the wookie said.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:10 | 5118316 Okienomics
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So you're wanting Fonz to follow through in your mouth? eww

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:14 | 5118327 nobodyimportant
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yeah get smutty cause your brain is gutter bound - fucking pervert!

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 01:24 | 5118654 MontgomeryScott
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After 3 years or so, you need to be able to get over 'emotional attacks'; don't you think?


Take the BAG off your fucking head, for God sakes!

Here's a 'sarc' movie clip for you. LOOSEN UP!

YOU could download 'LONESTAR' as an avatar, I suppose.

SHIT! I HATE it when I get my Schwartz twisted!


YOU, however, aren't.

Actually, by the lead of your posts, you give this impression. Have you ever considered standing up; or are you willing to sit down while they do what they do to you?

AT LEAST, take the fracking BAG off of your head.


Wed, 08/20/2014 - 02:00 | 5118696 nobodyimportant
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don't need an avatar.  They are phoney anyway as are those who use them.  I post my opinion just as we all do.  If you don't like it then tough shit.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 09:25 | 5119019 oudinot
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I guess your promises are meaningless.

You wouldn't last long in my business.

Sounds like you did what you think a 'black man' would do. 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:29 | 5118143 nobodyimportant
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Works for me.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:30 | 5118153 fonzannoon
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I feel like we got a lot accomplished tonight

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:42 | 5118203 jon dough
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You're on fire, love it...


Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:48 | 5118234 nobodyimportant
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Isn't dissension great?

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:59 | 5118277 The Gooch
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I think you meant distension. And no.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:21 | 5118339 nobodyimportant
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meant what I said   --  look it up if you do not understand

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:23 | 5118361 The Gooch
Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:41 | 5118420 nobodyimportant
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Like George Carlon said "there is a club and you are not in it"  well due to all the down arrows it appears there is also a club here and I am glad I am not in it!

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:27 | 5118108 AssFire
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Cheeky, francis and trav are in gault's gulch, we hoped they will come for us.... One thing is apparent, it is time to leave as they did

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 06:50 | 5118948 oudinot
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Good riddance!

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:14 | 5118254 himaroid
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How far from relevance do you wish to be?

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:50 | 5118246 himaroid
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Some of us appreciate and have real respect for the core gang here. As a long time lurker, I can see where you are coming from though. Maybe the wind will shift soon.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:29 | 5118383 BKbroiler
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Some of us appreciate and have real respect for the core gang here.

You know the core gang after 3 weeks? Impressive. Is that what we're calling this circle jerk of old bitter rednecks sitting on the lazyboy with their dell laptops, entertaining each other with jokes 'bout colored folk?

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:58 | 5118465 Slave
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OK dude, seriously, every one of your posts is fucking retarded. Did it ever cross your mind that people could have been lurking for much, much longer than they have had an account here? He just said that.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:00 | 5118472 BKbroiler
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so sorry to interrupt you guys licking each others assholes.  You're right.  He could have been lurking in the shadows, waiting, hoping to join, but in the end knowing that the bar is so high... thanks to douches like you.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:02 | 5118477 Slave
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Lurking before joining is extremely common across the internet. You're such an ass, it's not even worth responding to.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:08 | 5118488 BKbroiler
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no, I was totally serious, I lurked too.  My point is that the core group sucks.  All you morons agree about everything, which renders the comment section useless for real insight.  Now it's a popularity contest for retards.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:52 | 5118601 Liberty2012
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"Don't feed the troll."

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 06:52 | 5118950 oudinot
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"You're such an ass, its not even worth responding to"

But you did anyways; Commander Spock could have learned some logic from you!

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:40 | 5118580 Freddie
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BKbroiler is a dual citizen.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:55 | 5118606 The Gooch
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Shims hedging with the stars!

Groupthink Molokas all around!


Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:21 | 5118535 Jim in MN
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Just realized I will turn five in two weeks.  Fuck it seems like a million years.

Human nature, my dears, is....FLEXIBLE.  ADAPTABLE.

We all have angels and demons within us.  The whole point is to figure out what system of values and incentives gives us the best chance of a decent society.  And guess what, it's capitalism, risk/reward, normal interest rates, putting theives in jail, all that boring shit that the psychos in charge think they can do without.

Have any of you Einsteins considered the criminal calculus in context?  What's the hood rat vs. the Goldman partner's moral equivalence?  Welfare mom vs. mercenary? Maybe a lot of this makes perfect sense given the moral landscape and choice menu on offer today.  Are you trying to teach values?  Model them?

After waking up to the fact that Randian individual anarchism is a romantic fantasy, actually derivative of Thoreau's anarchy (hint: real societies aren't made up entirely of able bodied men), let us reason together. 

Be seeing you................

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:03 | 5118479 enforcer92677
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Agree - I think in large part this conflict is artificial.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 02:02 | 5118714 chokeNpuke
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We will miss you!

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 06:02 | 5118895 Frankie Carbone
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Please do. What was dumb about it, not including your post-read comment? 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 06:29 | 5118916 oudinot
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You are among the ignorant stereotypes the author referred to in the article.

Please find another place to hang out;  there must be neo Nazi blogs that would love to welcome you, your ideas.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:06 | 5118038 snodgrass
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Low IQs do you in every time. Why is Africa the poorest nation on earth. Hmmmmm. Let's see. It's full of blacks with an average IQ of 70.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:24 | 5118364 goldpercent
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IQ?  Really?  You buy into that?  OK.  It seems farfetched that you could create a test to evaluate something as nuanced as human intelligence. But, believe what you want to believe.

Just a hunch, but policies put into place as a response to the civil rights movement seem to be a much more likely cause of the troubles facing specific races living in America today.

What are civil rights anyway?  I only need the natural and unalienable rights we were all born with.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:09 | 5118491 Jonesy
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And most people quote Einstein to make themselves look intelligent, not realizing he was a thief and knocked up his cousin.

Dumb fucking goyim, it's too late. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:55 | 5118609 BlackChicken
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For real: "Dumb fucking goyim"

Go fuck yourself.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:12 | 5118505 snodgrass
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Take away all the special privileges bestowed upon blacks by the Demorats and blacks would sink even lower. Yes IQ matters and yes there are different mean scores between the races. You don't need a test to tell you that. Look at the difference between the kind of societies that blacks build - ahem - and those built by whites or asians. I don't know why people won't acknowledge the obvious. Are you blind? Do you think ignoring IQ makes you more moral? It's a con pulled off by the elite to make people think race and IQ don't matter. They know it matters. That's why they interbreed.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 02:33 | 5118739 John_Coltrane
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And yet none of the rioters want to return to their continent of origin which could not envisage the advantages of say, the wheel, for moving things around.  (Those greeks with their honky geometry!)  Not to mention any other scientific or technological innovation in the last millenium.

Only in the area of producing babies from multiple "fathers" to augment welfare checks do they excel.  The great society programs are the root cause of poverty that the author of the article should have emphasized instead of the libtard rhetoric.  Make people dependent and they will act like immature, irresponsible children, especially when that propensity already exists in their cultural heritage!

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 06:13 | 5118900 NoPension
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Ok gold percent. Let's go with your theory. Can't test for IQ. Too far fetched. Difficult,Like a moon landing.

So, how do people like YOU, explain the fact , ( all you need are eyes) why blacks anywhere in the world can't get their shit together. And that's just dumbing it down. I guess it's all whiteys fault? Which, by default proves whiteys superiority by default. I claim whitey is superior. Blacks can't break whiteys chains, except politically using stupid white people and their guilt.
It ain't so because I point it out.

Please, call me a Neanderthal . :)

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 03:25 | 5118789 Zorrohodge
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But Africa isn't a nation... What's your IQ?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 06:30 | 5118919 oudinot
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Where are your facts?

You are a racist, ignorant idiot.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 09:51 | 5119510 Kobe Beef
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Skip the ad hom, buddy. Real Science about race.

If you're here to learn, these studies will get you started...

And if you are here to peddle inane 20th century marxist multikult agitprop, in spite of the mountains of scientific evidence showing different genes make different people make different outcomes then--

You are ignorant. You have been lied to about race your entire life. You're angry because your subconscious knows it. Your liberal arts professors, your mainstream media, and your kult leaders cannot quantify what biologists have. Undeniable Differences. You spew insults because you have no facts. You are living a lie and defending it beyond all evidence and reason. Let me offer you two alternatives:

Read. Think.



Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:15 | 5118039 AssFire
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And we all take Swisher Sweets from any store without consequence

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:29 | 5118145 LordEffingtonTh...
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Ah yes let's all pretend we don't know the reasons for these differences.  

Have you read teh book "The Bell Curve" by any chance?  

Please give me a break?  

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:31 | 5118157 LordEffingtonTh...
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BTW: I lived in St Louis 2012-2013.  I have absolutely no doubt in my mind whites and blacks are different.  Not necessarily an all bad thing but there are certain aspects of black culture that are showing themselves here and they are not all positive like liberal america would have you believe.  They do not even believe it themselves or so many neighborhoods in St Loo would not be all black!

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:32 | 5118159 fonzannoon
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The bell curve is when you go golfing and you are playing like shit and then you have a beer and you get a little better so you have two more beers and you start playing really well but then you have one more beer and start playing like total shit.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:52 | 5118251 jon dough
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But, you gotta admit, the shirts are pretty cool...

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:26 | 5118538 Jim in MN
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Junk science at its worst.  Easy to take apart but the drivel did its damage.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 01:00 | 5118624 rehypothecator
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Have you read the book?  Or are you quoting a book review?  Give a glaring example of it being junk science.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:10 | 5118058 Liberty2012
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;). Everyone is getting squashed. The bottom is getting squashed more. It's not due to racism. The NFL is almost all black.

The two mothers refusing to recognize their sons were thugs and not understanding how that is harmful to them their family, and society is why they are on the bottom and getting squashed the most.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:11 | 5118498 Jonesy
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Negro Football League?  

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:25 | 5118125 holmes
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Maybe if the dumb asses pulled up their pants, they would leave a little better impression on job interviews.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 06:58 | 5118957 MBB
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What about the large Asian communities in the US? How come they have learnt to get on and improve their lives?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 09:55 | 5119533 Kobe Beef
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Hell, look at the success of Chinatowns and the Overeas Chinese business community across SE Asia.

But that would be crimethink, wouldn't it? It might lead to the idea that certain peoples are better prepared to make high civilizations than others.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 07:48 | 5119017 Psquared
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I don't think that is really the point. Perhaps it is time that, as the majority in this country, and in control of most of the power structures, we admit that we have not done such a good job of managing things including economic opportunity. I see no evil in taking responsibility that some of the social and economic issues we face now are our own making over the past 100 years or more. Projecting blame (calling people lazy or retarded) does nothing to further the discussion or help solve the problems. If we don't address it these problems will continue to get worse until the entire country will be like Ferguson, Mo. You can't tighten the yoke and expect people to just comply. We also can't build enough prisons or hire enough militarized police to protect us from what is coming. If an alien came to this planet and looked in our prisons and saw that the black prison population is 3 to 1 over whites what would the they think? It is absolutely illogical (not to mention incorrect) to blame an entire race of people and claim that they are deserving of this treatment. We better take a long look at ourselves before it is too late.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 07:53 | 5119029 overmedicatedun...
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ps, my fault - the elite would love it for us all to think your way...I made no laws no regs , I did not refuse to inforce what laws we have, I did not ask to have industry hollowed out thru free trade ..I consistantly voted against those that did. You better step back and look at the big picture of treason at the highest levels of international corps, banks, and groups like the CFR. we were and are along for the ride.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 21:53 | 5117988 J Pancreas
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Another cherry-picked fact list from Michael Snyder. Moar handouts! Less Snyder articles!

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 21:58 | 5118000 lakecity55
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I can tell the prose by the second sentence.

How about 1 of these per month?

No mas.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 07:55 | 5119032 Took Red Pill
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"Less Snyder articles!" Agreed! and what's with #9? What does the marriage rate have to do with rioting?

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 21:56 | 5117994 Freddie
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F this Snyder guy.  Liberalism since LBJ and even before has been terrible for black people.  They have a gutter culture that was not this bad in the 1960s.  Trating their women like "bitches" in the gangster culture and it is a big joke or it is celebrated.  WTF?

And blacks voted for this and we know red and blue team but it has progressively gotten worse. Obama's open border invasion is such a "good" thing for black people.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:01 | 5118019 fonzannoon
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Snyder is a DC attorney who smartly realized it was easier to latch his dirty beef curtain vagina onto any issue he can find and make a list in between tennis lessons and shoot it out from his laptop while enjoying a frappucino.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 10:27 | 5119720 Took Red Pill
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You forgot to mention he's also a Jesus freak!

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:02 | 5118027 Berspankme
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Obama is down with the struggle on the vineyard

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:00 | 5118004 are we there yet
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As a white employer, the more special legal protections and liabilities that black emloyee candidates have, the more risk and problems there are to hire such candidates. Employers have enough risk and business problems than to hire such legal risks. All an employeer wants is to make a profit and to minimize uncertaintity or risk. The government does more to hurt black upward mobility than any racial adversary,

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:22 | 5118103 Omen IV
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all you say is true - but that doesnt change the fact that these people are targeted for bigotry at many levels from birth

action creates reaction and in turn another action  - which after a long string you lose sight of what the original cause was for a persons: actions, attitude, lack of self esteem

take a look at the Gardner video - small community, cops knew this guy selling cigarettes not stamped for "years"- had profile of no previous violence but petty issues -  five cops - five - one chokes him the rest take him down to the ground - hold him while he protests he couldnt breath - NOT ONE COP  of the five said stop - all - in my view are murderers not just cop who choaked him

then emergency responder did nothing - on orders from the cops - DEAD MEN TELL NO TALES -

so if you can get murdered for practically nothing  - would you have a chip on your shoulder - waiting for when they decide to pull the plug on you?

white guys have it easy in comparison and I'm a white guy and an employer. owner, ceo etc for multiple businesses employing thousands over 40 years.

and I'm prejudice  - but intellectually understand my own prejudice

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:17 | 5118518 Jonesy
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"white guys have it easy in comparison and I'm a white guy and an employer. owner, ceo etc for multiple businesses employing thousands over 40 years"


LMAO!  yeah, right.   Getting into Harvard with an 820 SAT score and whites have it easy? And nice self-pat on the back, you're prejudiced but know it so it's ok in your case.  You employ thousands, yet fuck around here and can't spell "choaked"? 


Where does Zero Hedge find these retards?  

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:02 | 5118011 Dr. Engali
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"Things didn't have to turn out this way. If we had all learned how to love one another and not judge one another by skin color, we could have had the kind of society that Martin Luther King"

This is some of the worst click bait drivel to come from Snyder yet. I don't know why I even bother any longer if this is the garbage we're going to get.

I guess I'm just here for the comments.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:02 | 5118028 fonzannoon
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yup...we are so far past our expiration date on here it's ridiculous.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:07 | 5118037 Dr. Engali
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Im about done. The question now is, do I go out in a fiery blaze, or do I slip away quietly in the night?

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:10 | 5118053 fonzannoon
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I don't know Doc.....If I knew I would have done it by now. I wanted out a year ago. It's an addiction and if you go you just gotta go cold turkey is my guess. Wake up one day and start fresh and that's that.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:27 | 5118131 The Gooch
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The time for keyboard and bourbon based discussion runs nigh anyway.

At least we had a hearty heads up.

On a long enough timeline... We'll all go down together!

"We are jolly green giants! Walking the Earth! With Guns!"

/semi sarc

Keep your powder dry, bitchez!

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:51 | 5118250 Amish Hacker
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See you in camp, everyone!

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:45 | 5118220 himaroid
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You guys should hang in. The rest of us just come and go. So maybe some relief from this particular crowd soon. The issues seem to be coming to some sort of interesting denouement though. 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:54 | 5118258 The Gooch
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The denouement is years away.

The climax hasn't hit home. Yet.


Wed, 08/20/2014 - 05:11 | 5118859 BeetleBailey
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I was thinking the same thing Doc.

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