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Why So Much Anger In Ferguson? 10 Facts About The Massive Economic Gap Between White & Black America

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Submitted by Michael Snyder of The Economic Collapse blog,

When people feel like they don't have anything else to lose, they are likely to do just about anything.  Many in the mainstream media seem absolutely mystified as to why there is so much anger in Ferguson, but as I pointed out yesterday, all of this anger did not erupt out of a vacuum.  Economic conditions in Ferguson, and for African-Americans as a whole, have been deteriorating for years.  Sadly, many white Americans are totally oblivious to any of this.  Many of them have absolutely no idea that the unemployment rate for black Americans is more than twice as high as it is for white Americans or that the average white household has 22 times as much wealth as the average black household. 

But these are things that black communities are acutely aware of.  Many African-Americans that live in poor neighborhoods deeply resent the fact that most of the people that live in the "good neighborhoods" are white while most of the people that live in "bad neighborhoods" are people of color.  In fact, in America today a black child is nearly four times as likely to live in an impoverished neighborhood as a white child is.  And when you throw endless police brutality and growing racial division in America into the mix, it is easy to understand why so many black Americans are so angry and frustrated these days.

Things didn't have to turn out this way.  If we had all learned how to love one another and not judge one another by skin color, we could have had the kind of society that Martin Luther King once dreamed about...

And when this happens, when we allow freedom to ring, when we let it ring from every village and hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! Free at last! Thank God almighty, we're free at last!"

But instead we have allowed ourselves to become increasingly divided.  And I am sure that fact will once again be reflected in the comments following this article.  There is so much anger and hatred in America today, and people seem to love to express their anger and hatred on the Internet.

For white Americans (myself included), I think that it would be good for us to put ourselves in the shoes of the people of Ferguson for a few moments.  For years, the economy of Ferguson has been declining.  The following is how Brookings summarized the current economic situation...

The city’s unemployment rate rose from less than 5 percent in 2000 to over 13 percent in 2010-12. For those residents who were employed, inflation-adjusted average earnings fell by one-third. The number of households using federal Housing Choice Vouchers climbed from roughly 300 in 2000 to more than 800 by the end of the decade.

 

Amid these changes, poverty skyrocketed. Between 2000 and 2010-2012, Ferguson’s poor population doubled. By the end of that period, roughly one in four residents lived below the federal poverty line ($23,492 for a family of four in 2012), and 44 percent fell below twice that level.

And as the New York Times recently detailed, racial tensions have been rising in the city for a very long time...

As African-Americans moved into the city and whites moved out, real estate agents and city leaders, in a pattern familiar elsewhere in the country, conspired to keep blacks out of the suburbs through the use of zoning ordinances and restrictive covenants. But by the 1970s, some of those barriers had started to fall, and whites moved even farther away from the city. These days, Ferguson is like many of the suburbs around St. Louis, inner-ring towns that accommodated white flight decades ago but that are now largely black. And yet they retain a white power structure.

 

Although about two-thirds of Ferguson residents are black, its mayor and five of its six City Council members are white. Only three of the town’s 53 police officers are black.

So it is understandable why a lot of Ferguson residents are so angry and so frustrated.

However, there is absolutely no excuse for the looting and the property destruction that have taken place.

Alternatively, there is absolutely no excuse for how brutally the (mostly white) police have handled peaceful protesters and the media.  The police have been using smoke bombs, tear gas, flash bang grenades, rubber bullets and LRAD sound cannons against protesters that are not even armed.  Meanwhile, the police have been doing next to nothing to stop criminals from looting stores and businesses all over Ferguson.  It has pretty much been a textbook case of what not to do during a period of civil unrest.

Hopefully cooler heads will prevail and things will calm down in Ferguson soon.

But that doesn't mean that the underlying problems will have been fixed.  The truth is that I believe that this is just a preview of what is coming to America in the years ahead.  And much of the anger and frustration that is bubbling just under the surface in our communities has an economic element to it.  The following are 10 startling facts about the massive economic gap between white America and black America that we see in our country today...

#1 For decades, the unemployment rate for black Americans has consistently been more than twice as high as the unemployment rate for white Americans.  In July 2014, the official unemployment rate for white Americans was 5.3 percent.  Meanwhile, the official unemployment rate for black Americans was 11.4 percent.

#2 A report released earlier this year discovered that the "underemployment rate" for African-American workers was 20.5 percent.  But for white Americans it was only 11.8 percent.

#3 A study released back in 2012 found that the average white household has 22 times as much wealth as the average black household.

#4 African-American households make up only about 13 percent of the population, but they receive more than 26 percent of the food stamp benefits.

#5 One study discovered that 82 percent of white students graduate from high school but only 63.5 percent of black students do.

#6 Pew Research found that the income gap between white Americans and black Americans has continued to grow ever since the late 1960s...

The difference in median household incomes between whites and blacks has grown from about $19,000 in 1967 to roughly $27,000 in 2011 (as measured in 2012 dollars).

#7 In the United States today, 12 percent of white children live in areas of concentrated poverty, but 45 percent of African-American children do.

#8 According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 19.9 percent of white children live in single parent homes.  But for black children, the number is an astounding 52.1 percent.

#9 Since 1960, the percentage of white American adults that are married has declined from 74 percent to 55 percent.  But for African-Americans the decline has been even more dramatic.  Since 1960, the percentage of black American adults that are married has declined from 61 percent to 31 percent.

#10 In the United States, the incarceration rate for black men is more than six times higher than it is for white men.

So how do we solve these problems?  People have been debating this for years, but nothing ever seems to actually get accomplished.

Meanwhile, the middle class continues to collapse and things continue to get even tougher for African-American communities.  The following is an excerpt from a recent piece that Kareem Abdul-Jabbar wrote for Time magazine entitled "The Coming Race War Won’t Be About Race"...

Dystopian books and movies like Snowpiercer, The Giver, Divergent, Hunger Games, and Elysium have been the rage for the past few years. Not just because they express teen frustration at authority figures. That would explain some of the popularity among younger audiences, but not among twentysomethings and even older adults. The real reason we flock to see Donald Sutherland’s porcelain portrayal in Hunger Games of a cold, ruthless president of the U.S. dedicated to preserving the rich while grinding his heel into the necks of the poor is that it rings true in a society in which the One Percent gets richer while our middle class is collapsing.

 

That’s not hyperbole; statistics prove this to be true. According to a 2012 Pew Research Center report, just half of U.S. households are middle-income, a drop of 11 percent since the 1970s; median middle-class income has dropped by 5 percent in the last ten years, total wealth is down 28 percent. Fewer people (just 23 percent) think they will have enough money to retire. Most damning of all: fewer Americans than ever believe in the American Dream mantra that hard work will get them ahead.

I wish that I could be more optimistic about the future of this country.

I wish that I could believe that we won't see a tremendous amount of chaos in the streets of America in the years ahead.

Unfortunately, the truth is that what is happening in Ferguson right now is just the tip of the iceberg.  Once we hit the next major wave of our ongoing economic collapse, unemployment and economic despair in our major cities are going to grow rapidly.  This will fuel more anger, more frustration, more protests, more looting and more rioting.

It has been said that desperate people do desperate things.  And in the years ahead, ordinary Americans are going to become increasingly desperate.

 

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Wed, 08/20/2014 - 06:35 | 5118926 oudinot
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Just 'go' and STFU.

Thank you.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:11 | 5118060 FredFlintstone
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Can't remember the last time I actually read every word of a ZH article.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:25 | 5118079 Dr. Engali
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Yeah me neither. We used to get a few quality thought provoking articles to read and discuss, and now we get bombarded with thoughtless garbage with no original insight. Like I said, if it weren't for the commentators, I wouldn't even bother.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:00 | 5118462 IridiumRebel
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I read the exonomics articles, but the social commentary ones I go straight to comments. I don't really read Snyders. I'll gloss over some points. You and Fonz and some others I consider old school are my main reason to be here. I just see it as crowdsourcing information. I've learned more from commentary here than anything else. ZH provides some stuff that gets you thinking, but what I glean from the comments is gold. Some of the new folks here have dumbed it down and the authors of some new articles are kinda shitty. At least they seemed to 86 The Diplomat. That's drivel right there.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 05:10 | 5118856 BeetleBailey
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Agreed Doc.

I sift through - not click each article here, and it's been that way for months now.

ZH's pounding away of this Ferguson shitapalooza is over the top.

I live - normally - in a 3rd world country, 95% "black"....AND TO LISTEN TO THEM...THEY HATE AMERICAN BLACKS....

Why?

#1 Answer: "BECAUSE THEY HAD EVERYTHING GIVEN TO THEM, AND THEY SQUANDER IT".

 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 06:35 | 5118928 oudinot
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You are proud to be an illiterate?

Interesting.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:19 | 5118089 Liberty2012
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Agreed - there are some good comments here and there.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:49 | 5118591 Freddie
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Officer Wilson was severely injured in confrontation with Brown?

REAKING REPORT: Officer Darren Wilson Suffered “Orbital Blowout Fracture to Eye Socket” During Mike Brown Attack

The Gateway Pundit can now confirm from two local St. Louis sources that police Officer Darren Wilson suffered facial fractures during his confrontation with deceased 18 year-old Michael Brown. Officer Wilson clearly feared for his life during the incident that led to the shooting death of Brown. This was after Michael Brown and his accomplice Dorian Johnson robbed a local Ferguson convenience store.


Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=acf_1408495321#FH1U6G887lSY9eSF.99

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Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:01 | 5118015 world_debt_slave
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when I served in the US Navy, the most in trouble, causing trouble and getting in trouble were the blacks.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:32 | 5118161 The Gooch
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Funny.

Most Gangster Disciples can't even swim.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 11:40 | 5120139 PrintemDano
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Swimming class in Boot Camp was comedy gold for that very reason.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:01 | 5118017 SmackDaddy
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"For years, the economy of Ferguson has been declining."

Yeah, since the blacks started moving in..... 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:43 | 5118211 mjcOH1
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"For years, the economy of Ferguson has been declining."


Surely the army of "Gimme' Dats" tossing firebombs and looting any businessman naive enough to have stayed will turn things around.

But if not, there's an election in 3 months, and the next liberal whore promising more EBT to vote for.   It's only tax money, after all.  

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:05 | 5118034 Savyindallas
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Take away the wealth of the rich (laregly jewish) 3% and the wealth gap is not so great. Lot of good being white has helped me. I do blame white Liberalism for the disatsrous welfare policies that have helped to destroy black families and put them into a slave style welfare dependency system (though liberal black leaders have not helped) That's why I support blacks like Louis Farrakhan who want blaacks to be self sufficient, maintain their religious and cultural values, and not become slaves on the white liberal plantation system.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:07 | 5118041 himaroid
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The REAL trouble (or fun?) comes when whites have nothing left to lose.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:07 | 5118042 the6thBook
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Yet, Blacks hold a larger percentage of Government jobs than they do of the population.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:17 | 5118083 Bazza McKenzie
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That's because they're qualified for it.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:16 | 5118303 The Gooch
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.gov exam pt 1:

1) I am good at:

A: Spending other people's money

B: Spending other people's money

C: Spending other people's money

D: Spending other people's money like Joe Biden, John Kerry, Dick Durbin, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, "dre" Cuomo, Jerry Brown, Pat Quinn, John "Tang" "Weeping Cheetoh" Boehner, John McShitstain, et al.

E: Because rayciss

 

ADMIN: (see common core bell curve scoring system for triple black diamond loop of feedback position tier) <delete all e-mails> <No communication is good communication for history to be written in a proper manner congruent with agendas of>  :end transmission:

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:10 | 5118044 Smegley Wanxalot
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all those single parent households and 75% illegitimacy in the black community must be my white ass's fault.

 

Also, all that shit going in in Ferguson is really going to attract new business and jobs to the area once this shit boils over.  Companies will be banging down doors to set up shop there ... yeah, and when they don't, my white ass will be to blame.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:07 | 5118046 Otrader
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The bankers that own this nation will tell you how you should feel and can do about this problem.  If you happen to be a stubborn debt slave, you have the right to STFU!!!

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:18 | 5118090 koddo
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Has ZH been taken over by MSM?  There sure seems to be a lot of deflection of black America's problems to EVERYTHING and EVERYONE else under the sun.  Gov't welfare, job inequality, yadda yadda yadda.  I get the arguments how these issues may effect blacks, but come on, at the end of the day the responsibility lies at the feet of the black community.  If their only solution is to burn, loot, trash, wallow in their own feces, then let them.  In my opinion, their culture is the main culprit of their undoing.

Other groups have had it bad in American history - the Chinese/other asians during the mid to late 1800's.  They were treated like slaves and were arguably the lowest class on the totem pole during this period, at least in the west.  They seems to be doing alright in the high tech/engineering/mathematics/applied sciences.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:24 | 5118111 theman
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Giving any legitimacy to 'black rage' is to admit these people are uncivilized animals, kept on the plantation and unable to work or vote.  I do not accept that Blacks are uncivilized animals, and prefer to see them as equals.

 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:25 | 5118124 BlackMagician
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The comments here I will simply guess will be answered by white males...with not a clue of what it is like to be shat on from birth. They will crow about how low of an IQ blacks are and how superior "they" are. Not a care about their fellow man. Kill 'em all they are too stupid to exist. I do understand why...whites have been raised to hate. It's like passing a homeless man on the street...invisible...who cares...fuck em. I only ask those who refuse to see that they are but pawns in a world where the elite are in total control and a man who has nothing to live for will always be dangerous...

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:29 | 5118151 Bazza McKenzie
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Yeh, it's those hating whites that are out thumping, shooting and raping blacks all over the place.  Blacks would never do that to whites or Asians, would they?

 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:36 | 5118170 sunnyside
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If you feel blacks are "shat on from birth", then 99% of that is self-inflicted.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:37 | 5118186 theman
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You sound like a Black guy who expects others to 'care'.  I mean you no insult, but I am a mick - no one liked micks and when Blacks were being hired (1870's) micks were specifically excluded "absolutely no Irish need apply."  No one cared about the Irish either.  Get over it and get yourself up.  Do not wait for someone to 'care about you' - no one does.  Care about yourself.

 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:41 | 5118204 Aremo
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Comments like this ignore the sacrifices whites make to accomodate blacks. We *DO* sacrifice everyday to try to live in harmony - it hasn't worked.  We give up blood, treasure, we live in fear, we read appauling headlines of the violence in black communities (and often ours by blacks who invade) and all we ever here is "Gimmie more - you all raciss - fuck you".  I ask this as a white man:  from *our* persepective (not yours) what positive contributions do white gest *NOW* from having blacks in our nation?  I know what sacrifices we make there are several and the burden is not at all light.  We have to drive hours outside of the cities we work in everyday to stay away from you lest our families be robbed/raped/killed, we pay heavy taxes to support black areas, we constantly watch blacks being handed things we ourselves must work for but what if any positive things do whites gain?  I can't see any and I'm trying. 

The stock answer to such a question usually runs along the line of "HOW DARE YOU WHITEY YOU ENSLAVED US WE BE MAKIN THIS NATION (which isn't true by any measure) RACISS!!! RACISS!!! RACISS!!!"  this kind of response shuts down all debate and makes it impossible to solve anything.  The simple fact of the matter is whites now sacrifice a lot to maintain blacks while blacks do not offer anything positive we couldn't do for ourselves.  In fact blacks act like a huge weight on our backs.  The fact that you do not see it or acknowledge it doesn't mean this isn't true.  Wherever we work or live the first question we have to ask is "where are the blacks and how do I stay away from them". If you've the money you can move into a white neighborhood.  At worst you'll get some disapproving looks to which you can unleash a federal salvo of litigation should you choose.  If I and my family move into a black neighborhood what happens?  How long before my wife and daughter are gang raped?  How long before blacks starts preying on us?  This is the problem.  The police attack blacks and you attack whites.  Do you see the connection?  If the police stop attacking you tomorrow would you cease attacking whites?  No and that is the issue. 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:41 | 5118416 IridiumRebel
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I think you have some valid points upon contribution to society as a whole, but I have numerous black friends that are good people so I do not believe you should paint with such a broad brush. I agree that throwing money at the problem is not helping but making every single black person out to be a gang raping thug is wrong. I don't have any solutions, but is agree that the current path isn't working. The culture of rap artists and thug lifestyle that is promoted may be a great place to start. Bill Cosby has some excellent ideas too. Fuckers like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson need to be shutdown first and foremost. The black community needs to be proactive in starting to change, but I don't believe in giving up on them as a whole.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 01:50 | 5118703 Global Observer
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I ask this as a white man:  from *our* persepective (not yours) what positive contributions do white gest *NOW* from having blacks in our nation?

How is the USA white people's, but not black people's that black Americans have to justify to you why you should have them in "your nation"?

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:23 | 5118358 gatorengineer
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Do you refer to yourself as a nigga?  Then perhaps you got something right afterall.  Name one thing you got in your life that wasn't handed to you by whitey out of guilt?  Job education etc.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:26 | 5118359 gatorengineer
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Dup

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:31 | 5118547 Jim in MN
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Perhaps if we all agree to call the white jock thugs in the high schools gang members too, things would even out a bit.  The only difference is, they get jobs from their uncles down on the used car lot/golf course/liquor store.....but every bit as immoral, violent, and venal as any hood rat.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:26 | 5118130 Bazza McKenzie
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Points 5, 8 and 9 explain most of the rest.  If you don't come from a stable home that values education, your chance of ending up with a good education are slim, nor are you likely to end up with values that make for a stable community.

If you are poorly educated, your chance of being productive and well paid are small.

The only contribution whites have made to that is the welfare handouts, growing from LBJ's "war on poverty" and sustained by the Democrats who have 2 major constituent groups, one of which is black and the other a particular ethno-religious group, which has financed the dissolution of the nuclear family from which most of the others have followed.  Before LBJ had his way, US blacks actually had a higher marriage rate that whites.

But seriously, it's all the fault of whitey.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 07:13 | 5118973 jskern
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Uhm, LBJ was white...

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:30 | 5118132 sunnyside
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What a worthless article.  Let's just go ahead and have the uncomfortable adult conversation here.  It isn't pretty or nice, but whatever they are doing sure isn't working.

1)  Education.  It isn't valued in the black community.  Education = generally higher paying jobs

2)  Illegitimacy.  You start out life behind the 8 ball, with no family structure (black males were replaced by welfare check), your odds for success go down quickly.

3)  Culture.  A violent, mysigonistic culture is not conducive to building wealth.

 

None of these items are caused by whitey.  They are self-inflicted.

 

 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 09:11 | 5119284 plane jain
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There is a cultural problem for sure, but it seems like a chicken and egg situation to me.  Personal responsibility, sure.  Completely self-inflicted? I don't think so.

Black men as a group seem to have failed in their role as patriarchs and providers.  It hasn't been that long ago that discriminatory practices (Jim Crow) were in force, about 50 years.  You can read in the bible about the "sins", aka errors, of the father affecting their descendants for generations.

So a cycle started of black men being unable en masse to be successful providers in the legal labor market.  Then many of them failed to form legitimate families, abandoned their families and/or turned to the black market to earn a living.

Black women have been stepping up for years.  In fact the idea that, as a community, blacks do not value education appears to be false when you consider that black women presently have the highest level of college enrollment.

http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2014/02/know-black-women-lead-groups-coll...

Legalizing drugs would go a long way toward stamping out the thug life.  Corporations would take over as our drug dealers.

As far as attitudes toward women in the community I suspect that the attitude that women are trash is driven by a couple of things.  One, men being shamed that their women are stepping up and legitimately succeeding at a greater rate than black men.  Two, that black women are accepting such treatment due to a shortage of available men because of so many black men being imprisoned.  

On family formation/preservation we have a problem across races right now due to changes in cultural norms, a decrease in number of, and pay for physical labor type jobs better suited to men, and the increase in, and now necessity for women to work outside the home, which along with immigration has contributed to lower wages across the board.  

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:27 | 5118133 Aremo
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IF you want see how blacks choose to live in mostly black nations look at the governments in Africa or Haiti.  These are black run, black populated, mostly black nations with all or nearly all black representation. These places are an abmination to the eyes of European whites who flock there to try to "fix" the black mans problems.  That has been going on for a long time now and still the plight of these areas is just as bad or worse then ever before. 

Whites cannot fix black problems, GOD knows we've tried.  If an entire race of people however decides they want to live a certain way there is not anything whites or any other race can do about it.  Yes blacks say they do want fancy cars, nice houses, good schools, good infrastructure and they certainly accept these things when handed to them freely much like any child will accept a piece of candy.  What they will NOT do is wake up every morning at 6am and work a long day to maintain them.  What they wll not do is preserve these nice things or build them themselves through work and sacrifice.  Time preferences matter.  Any black kid in Fegurson in grade school could, if he decided too, get good grades and a free ride all the way through University.  If he joined the military and followed the rules and showed that he wanted to fit in they would bend over backwards to promote him, raise him up, and kiss his ass to get their quota numbers.  The fact remains that blacks do not as a race want to do this and choices matter. 

The problem in Ferguson is that the way blacks choose to live and the way whites choose to live are not compatible.  Federal programs will not change this.  Making blacks live the way whites want them too requires violent repression and constant brtual correction - this was a big reason mass chimpouts like this were few and far between pre 1950.  Yes there were many other reasons but the fear in the black community, the fear that whites would turn on them and violently deal with them was there.  Not so much now.  Now blacks know that they can kill each other pretty much as they want too (and do the world over) without much fuss and take out the occassional white as well and won't get punished for it much.  See my friends in jail and get a pat on the head from my friends and brothers in prison for torturing/raping/killing Channon and Newsom - so what. 

Now that the money to cover all this up is running out and the artificial supports that buoy the black communities are too taxing for a nation that is bankrupt violence is going to happen.  The only way to avoid a massive bloody conflict (whcih the blacks will lose) is to separate them now.  Let them live as they choose.  What is going to happen eventually is a dark horse rider will appear with a Hitler like message.  He'll have the full support of the white community and he'll be damn charasmatic.  He'll use the easily available history and he'll ask white America do you want you're son/daughter to be the next Channon/Newsom?  Do you want your town to the be the next Fegurson?  And the cattle cars wll roll.  Please lets fix this and separate NOW before it comes to that.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:15 | 5118332 Surging Chaos
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+1,000.

The part about a fascist-like person coming to power is something I do worry about if and when the collapse finally hits. When TSHTF, you know that everyone is going to look for a scapegoat. Maybe it will be those "greedy capitalists." Maybe it will be those "subhuman blacks/Mexicans". Maybe it will be someone else like those "evil Joos".

The optimist in me hopes we finally dismantle this statist hellhole and let people just live how they want to be. The pessimist in me sees someone attempting to leverage the coming economic crash to bring about a true authoritarian nightmare.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:31 | 5118381 rwe2late
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Aremo

 Your ignorance about Haiti is appallingly evident.

Your made-up "facts" are biased fantasies.

Are you really so ignorant about the many US military invasions, puppet governments supported from Papa Doc to the present, etc. etc.

Equal ahistorical nonsense are your generalizations about how Africans "choose to live".

and the non-recognition of problems made by the slave trade, colonization, apartheid,exploitative economics,

oppressive divide and conquer rule from past to present in Egypt, Libya, Somalia,

and by AFRICOM.

Have you read nothing even about Libya here at ZH?

Do you even know what "blood diamonds" are?

 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 02:41 | 5118752 HDaryl
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What the fuck does your comment have to do with the United States in 2014?

 

Haiti is appalling. Not because of whites.

 

Black Africans sold conquered black africans into the slave trade.

 

The US hasn't colonized African nations. Complain about the Brits, French, Dutch, or others, but not the US.

 

Apartheid was in South Africa, and was ended, at least partially, through strong boycotts initiated in the US.

 

Exploitive economics? By the likes of the black African dictators and thugs?

 

Blood diamonds as in blood diamonds mined by black african child slaves brutalized by black African warlords?

 

Get a clue.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 11:01 | 5119322 rwe2late
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HDaryl

 Your extreme bias in defense of the US has blinded you from reasoned argument and logic.

 

Your opening comment presumes Haiti & Africa have "nothing to do with US in 2014",

in self-contradiction criticizes me for responding to Aremo's description of Haiti,

instead of logically disputing Aremo for bringing up Haiti and Africa off-point according to you,

never noticing I was not the one arguing that Haiti=Africa=Ferguson.

 

Your comment "Haiti is appalling not because of whites" merely repeats the prejudice of Aremo

without offering any evidence and continues to totally ignore the many US invasions and support for despotic rulers, past

RECENT, and CURRENT, both in Haiti AND Africa which I mentioned.

 

Your attempted exoneration "not the US" by blaming Africa's woes 100% on Europe is ridiculous, ignoring the US slave trade, recent US led invasions of  Libya, and Somalia, Egypt, AFRICOM, etc.

[and don't even try falsely accusing me of attempting to exonerate Europe

by blaming 100% on US]

 

 

 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 05:19 | 5118867 Zwelgje
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Germany is also US occupied.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 07:18 | 5118979 jskern
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You should visit Glasgow, Scotland...or Paisley...have you seen this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsZM2qU1FUE 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:38 | 5118158 theliberalliberal
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waste yo money on bling

in da debt chain gang you will sing

 

i think it was Drawn Together that illustrated the grand scheme of keeping blacks in poverty by having MSM promote the rapper/bling mentality  

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:34 | 5118174 83_vf_1100_c
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  Alas, they are the victims of the Bell Curve. Being on the left side of the curve sucks and I can name reasons why they remain squashed and at least for now they are spiraling deeper than ever. sad really. 13% of my fellow serfs are black and life would be better if 'they' were more socially talented and worked and Dad was home with Mom to raise the kids right and were educated and... But it ain't happening.

  The Mexes coming in are real bad news for the remaining working black families.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:39 | 5118195 reader2010
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Let poor blacks fight poor whites so they won't unit to fight the real enemy of theirs together. 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:46 | 5118227 Rootin' for Putin
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Well, let me address some of these amazingly insightful points

1 - i have a job because i will be homeless and starving if i dont.  No one will come and help me.

2 - I finished high school because of point 1

3 -  Really, that means the black me makes $1500 annually. and drives a 484 year old truck.

4,5,6, and 7 see point 1

8 - Thats what sitting around all day getting drunk and/or high does for you.  I am too busy trying to pay bills.

9 and 10, see points 1 and 2 for both.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:47 | 5118228 nah
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I am pro affirmative action for exactly the reason that a devide will remain without careful consideration for other people in this world

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its not easy and its not easy being black

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 22:47 | 5118233 TabakLover
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At 13% soon blacks will be an irrelevant political force.    You want to see politicans jump through hoops?  Wait til an unarmed hispanic kid gets gunned down by cops.     

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:03 | 5118290 man of Wool
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Thank fuck I'm not black.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:07 | 5118292 rwe2late
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Up through the 1960s, the US was officially an apartheid nation.

The path for many other (more voluntary) immigrants has been up through low skill industrial jobs. Thanks to trade policies, that route has been closed to blacks, many who were left unemployed and inhabiting rust belt industrial centers.

The "drug war" (mostly directed against marijuana) was intended to be, and functions as, a cultural war against minorities and to a lesser extent against counter-culture whites. The profits are directed to street gangs, drug cartels, financial institutions, and covert government agencies..

The combination of corrupt "drug war" government, drug war generated "crime", rust belt/deindustrial poverty and localized taxation for education makes for a third world educational system in poverty/urban areas.

The heavy policing in urban ghettos to "enforce" the drug war results in a disproportionate number of minorities imprisoned in the world's biggest prison system.

Imprisoned, they are taught criminal behavior and are "enrolled" in criminal gangs.

Released, they are barred from voting and much "legal" employment, and compelled to use the skills and connections gained during imprisonment.

Leadership (MLK, Black Panthers, Cynthia McKinney) who protest against the PICMIC system too much are conveniently assassinated or marginalized. [P=police&prison]

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:13 | 5118507 SgtShaftoe
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Excellent comment!

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:09 | 5118313 LFMayor
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Poverty must be grape flavored and smell like oranges.

An dat's ALL you had to SAY

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:18 | 5118340 jcamargo
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If black gangsters would get their own governance, it would probably look a lot like Monrovia. Despite all problems, it is actually good for american blacks to inherit the ruins of american civilization. Get rid of order and their neighborhoods would turn life even more of a misery for the law abiding blacks - the ones probably referred to as "suckers" by the dominating species roaming in their streets.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:20 | 5118343 Bumbu Sauce
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What say you Ben Carson?

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:25 | 5118345 are we there yet
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Fergison, just follow the Detroits pattern. Vote liberal, dirve out white flight, spend money you do not have, then blame everyone but yourself. Ignore your own reality every way you can.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:21 | 5118353 Laddie
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Michael Snyder is one of those Judeo-Christians that WORSHIP the people of color and think that if Whitey just spent a bit more money and gave a few more of our daughters to the African-Latino-Asian-Muslim-Jew the US would be Paradise. Well the Founding Fathers had a different idea:

"Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people—a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs, and who, by their joint counsels, arms, and efforts, fighting side by side throughout a long and bloody war, have nobly established general liberty and independence."

So wrote John Jay in Federalist No. 2, wherein he describes Americans as a "band of brethren united to each other by the strongest ties."

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:25 | 5118368 SgtShaftoe
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St. Louis is a weird town.  It's very, very cliquey.  Here are some of my observations:

  If you grew up on the wrong side of town, went to the wrong middle school; it follows you through your whole career.  Skin color unfortunately does matter in that city.  It's very unfortunate, but some US cities are more advanced humanities-wise than others.  Every place has some give and take, but you couldn't pay me enough to live near DC, St. Louis, Chicago, or New York City.  Those cities are completely fucked. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:47 | 5118588 Jim in MN
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One side of my family was Irish mob in St. Louis back in the day.  Baggage?  Try 16 ton weights on both hands and both feet.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:30 | 5118385 Silver Bullet
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There seems to be a consensus.
Every single poster on here is a fucking moronic, racist piece of shit.
Congratulations you ACTUALLY think skin pigmentation causes the divide between ethnicities in this country. Fucking retards, go back to your trailer parks.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:45 | 5118436 Groucho
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i don't know how long you've been reading zh. the articles are good but the comments are full of retards. mostly right wing idiots who think that ayn rand was some kind of saint. as you can see all it takes is an article like this one suggesting that just maybe blacks haven't had a fair shake in the land of the free to flush all of the racist wackos out into the open.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:48 | 5118445 SgtShaftoe
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A long time, since the beginning, but this is markedly more race bullshit than usual.  Something's up. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 10:35 | 5119652 homonohumanus
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I agree lots of racists around but it goes further than skin color it applies to people coming from what some here feel entiled to considered as lesser countries (France for example but it applies to some Asians countries, etc.).

 

Now I read some paper lately about a guys named Steven Jay Gould, a marxist, and how he discarded scientists working in the realm of biosociology. The answer he got for Arthur Jensen was a good one, yet feels won over logic.

 

When it comes to ethnicity we live under the sort of censorship people as Gould have set on science. The thing is that intelligence measuring is still imperfect, lots of factors can tilt the balance one way or another, etc. yet the scientific answer to that matter of fact shold not be GOuld answer (or others => there are no difference between ethnicities) but a clear we don't know we can't tell.

Instead we got the politically correct: it is too complicated to prove one way or another so there are not.

 

It is one of those fields where scientists can work as freely as they should in a lot of countries. We know some genetic differences between whites, asians and africans, for example white mated with neanderthals and I don't remember which other newly discover human type, so did asians but it seems they mated more than the whites with the newly discovered speccies. African mated with none and may have mated with other sub-speccies we don't know about yet.

See it is complicated, iffy (we are looking way back into time), there groups within groups, etc. and when it gets complicated it is easy for bumb racists to make shit out of serious researches and serious scientific approach. Again at worse scientific response is a big "we don't know /can't tell" not the there are no differences which is politically correct answer enforced even on the scientific community (or its biggest part).

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:48 | 5118439 SgtShaftoe
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Pretty much.  My assessment is that it's a 3 letter agency tipping the table, or the race baiting is working splendidly already.  It's very sad. 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:32 | 5118390 Laddie
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Our people, back when we were over 95% of the nation went through the Great Depression, and NO RIOTS, no Knockout Game, none of the crap that people of color routinely engage in, no muggings, that is because we were a NATION of ONE BLOOD, there were some blacks but they were a distinct minority and NOT able to mingle with the Majority.

And until 1934 and FDR ramming a gun control-ban act through congress we had no gun laws at all.
But do you think our cities were as they are today? No a man or a woman could walk the streets at any hour, nobody locked their front doors. Ah, well...

"The civilization that we as whites created in Europe and America could not have developed apart from the genetic endowments of the creating people, nor is there any reason to believe that the civilization can be successfully transmitted to a different people."
Sam Francis

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:10 | 5118496 SgtShaftoe
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I think you need to refresh your history buddy, and your sanity. 

Please kindly refer to my comment below.  You'll be doing a public service. 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:39 | 5118408 esum
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IMMIGRANTS COME TO THE USSA AND PROSPER................

blacks here for hundreds of years dont...... 

suggest they look in the mirror to locate the problem.........

15 shootings in rebrund al's home town.... what the fuck is the jackass doing in ferguson???????

35 shootings in jessame jagson's home town, and his son in prison.... what the fuck is that jackazz doing in ferguson....'

black panthers (eric holder's favorite jiveasses)..... go home....

eric (contempt of congresws and coverup obstruction of justice expert) go home......we dont trust you ..... you belong in prison

wtf do the local residents do for a living if they can be up at all hours of the day and night chanting .... ACCOMPLISHING NOTHING

the grand jury WONT INDICT AND THEY CAN BURN THEIR TOWN DOWN.... idiots

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:40 | 5118410 Laddie
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"we could have had the kind of society that Martin Luther King once dreamed about..."

MLK was a racist, sure he liked to bang white women, but he, like his compadres among the latinos and asians, hated whites.
His "Operation Breadbasket" was AFFIRMATIVE ACTION...he was photographed by the FBI sitting between the two top Communists at the Highlander Folk School. He was a plagiarist was Michael King and worse but the records have been sealed for how long? 75 years was it? Hmmmmm.

And sadly you will often hear CONNEDservatives saying, "Oh MLK was a Republican" no, he was a MARXIST RACIST, but the GOOD KIND of racist he hated Whites.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:45 | 5118434 SgtShaftoe
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Interesting that he hated whites so much that he often had thousands of chalkies march in his rallies, and one of his best friends and his lawyer was white.  That man later brought together a civil court and jury that found King's "assassin" not guilty, and through witness testimony, discovered the FBI and the Mafia had King killed.  The book is called:"An Act of State".

King was not a perfect person, and I certainly don't agree with his communist tendencies.  However, he was a very large threat to the military industrial complex and almost ended Vietnam.  That's why he had to die. 

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:40 | 5118418 Real Estate Banksta
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Name me one country run by blacks/majority black that is not a poverty ridden shithole with massive corruption and a horrible quality of life for its citizens?

It's a serious question. I really can't think of one. Case in point that whites are not to blame if no one can name one.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:54 | 5118455 Buster Cherry
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+1 for your accurate observation.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 05:55 | 5118890 Monty Burns
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Correct. Check out Liberia (Ebola, anyone?) which was never colonized.  http://irishsavant.blogspot.ie/2014/08/a-worthy-country-in-need.html

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 08:55 | 5119139 Volaille de Bresse
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"Correct. Check out Liberia (Ebola, anyone?) which was never colonized"

Yeah Liberia = the worst of both worlds : former black slaves mixed with locals. Result? A disaster!

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:49 | 5118446 Buster Cherry
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Well, there may be a perception problem.....

Others may feel differently, but I've noticed that the majority of times I hear a crime reported on the TeeVee news, a negro is watch you see on the police sketch.

I've noticed that they want you to know how black they are and that you owe them something.

There are different classes.of people, just like dogs. Some breeds have agressive traits, some are service dogs and some are tracker/hunters,etc.

I believe people are the same. Some are mongrels and others have more elevated aspirations. Which ones are.represented by Ferguson seems to illustrate the mongrels.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:54 | 5118456 Dr. Engali
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Wow, that is one fucked up comment.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:59 | 5118469 Buster Cherry
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Yeah, fat fingers on a smart phone and these stupid pop ups dont help

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:01 | 5118474 83_vf_1100_c
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  The truth can be uncomfortable.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:07 | 5118481 SgtShaftoe
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Well, 26 weeks 2 days..

Your comment is loaded with eugenics bullshit. 

You're a fucking idiot.  I think you're 13 year old sister is calling you...

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 05:51 | 5118887 Monty Burns
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It's the total fucking opposite!!  Jesus H. Christ, I give up.

Tue, 08/19/2014 - 23:57 | 5118467 SgtShaftoe
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Look people, commenters, I'm going to hit you with some sanity:

If you feel that skin color has anything to do with the level of intelligence, or as a people based on their genetics to be more inclined to riot, loot etc... Put a pistol in your mouth and put pressure on the bang switch.  Seriously.  No, really, fucking do it. 

This race bullshit is just that.  bullshit.  ENOUGH!  Shut the fuck up and go back to fucking your sister in the back of your parent's broke down car that's parked in the yard, or refer to the previous paragraph. 

With what is heading inbound to our sector, there is no time or energy for petty racism bullshit.  Get your fucking shit together, put your big girl panties on, and fucking nut up!  Shit will get very real one day, and we need all the like minded people we can get, and how goddamn tan you are has nothing to do with anything. 

 

 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:16 | 5118516 Real Estate Banksta
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Here it is again. If you speak the truth about black culture, you're a redneck who's fucking your sister in an outhouse somewhere.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:31 | 5118552 SgtShaftoe
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Who are you talking about?  Blacks, First Nations peoples, Irish, Germans, Polish, Russians, Mexicans, Mormons, Catholics, Lutherans, Agnostics?  Cause they all have been through the same treatment at one point in US history.  Wake the fuck up! 

 

People are individuals.  Not fucking cattle. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 11:46 | 5120175 BooMushroom
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I'll try to explain it so you can understand. NO, skin color doesn't make people violent and stupid with a high time preference and poor future-time orientation. It is hundreds or thousands of generations of selective breeding by differentiated groups, reinforced by geographic separation and local conditions.

Only a total retard would argue against the following: African skin is black because people who had darker skin were less likely to be damaged by the sun, and more fit to survive and procreate, and care for their offspring long enough for them to fend for themselves. White people have lighter skin because northern climates have less sunshine and lighter skin allows for increased vitamin D production in lower light, reducing their dietary requirements, and lowering mortality through illness, also, dark skin confers no advantages in snowy climates.

Now is where it gets tricky, try to keep up. In these different environments, different selective pressures came in to play. Near the equator, plants and animals thrive year round, and are there for the taking by people who live there. Hungry? Go find food and eat it. Nearer to the North Pole, the difference between December and July is stark. If you want to eat in December in Norway, you had better have worked hard enough during the warm months to have a store of food somewhere, and a family to help protect it from those who did not. People who were not good at this, over generations, died of hunger, or were killed for trying to steal someone else's food. If you didn't sacrifice a good portion of time constructing a shelter, you could easily freeze to death.

These things didnt happen to every member of every generation, of course, but that was the tendency. And over hundreds or thousands of generations those small tendencies add up.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 12:04 | 5120302 PrintemDano
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I used to work repairing appliances in shitty black communities, 99% of the households were filth ridden shitholes.  Once in a while you'd go in a house and say wow, clean as a whistle.  I called it a diamond in the rough. Do you know what the difference was between the shithole and the sparkling clean house was?  A married couple......that's all it takes and the black communities problems will be all but gone in a generation.                                                                                                    Listen up Sarge, if a black leader emerges tomorrow and convinces black women to stop having sex, and making babies with degenerate black hoodlums and save themselves for a black man with a job that plans on marrying them things would straighten up quick in the black community.  Until black women decide they want a father for the offspring who will support, raise, and love them the shit lives of the overall black community will continue.  Is it the skin color that causes it?  I don't give a shit, the black community sucks because they choose to be violent, lazy, bastard producing, white hating scumbags.  When they decide 2 parent households are the way to go we can all live happily ever after.

 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:07 | 5118486 Bloodstock
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We The People are sick and tired of the police brutality, PERIOD! Sick of it for all peoples not just a particular skin color. Just SICK,,,OF,,,IT ALL! C'mon folks let's stop with the buy in on this race bullshit and drop it from the conversations.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:11 | 5118501 SgtShaftoe
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Please and thank you! 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:14 | 5118512 blue gkm
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white people distroyed our history, language and culture and then u blame us for not fitting in. this is your society we are the only people here whose ansestors did not come here by their own free will. you had a 400 year head start off our backs and u say "catch up pull your self up"  give us our money and free labor your people stole then it is a fair fight

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:15 | 5118513 blue gkm
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white people distroyed our history, language and culture and then u blame us for not fitting in. this is your society we are the only people here whose ansestors did not come here by their own free will. you had a 400 year head start off our backs and u say "catch up pull your self up"  give us our money and free labor your people stole then it is a fair fight

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:47 | 5118587 Real Estate Banksta
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Pure bullshit. Whites did not do this to you. Blacks were complicit in slavery as well. Warring African tribes conquered one another and sold the defeated tribe as slaves to the white slave traders. At the height of slavery, 1% of whites owned slaves. My Irish and Italian ancestors certainly didn't, so why the fuck is it my fault? Also, blacks in America today that are here as a result of their ancestors being slaves today are clearly more well off than blacks anywhere else in the world. America sucked for the slave in 1800 but it's pretty fucking good for you now compared to being in Haiti and Africa (both black ruled for quite some time now). Even in a shitty housing project, blacks in America live better than 80% of the world and have access to free education, healthcare, and food, all provided by the white taxpayer that you claim destroyed your culture.

Every race and culture has at some point been conquered, persecuted, enslaved or targeted for genocide. The difference is that only some use it as an excuse generations later. Black culture needs to stop making excuses, stop looking for hand outs, stop bitching and fix the serious problems they have with a dose of tough medicine. Focus on family values (fix 70% of kids being born out of wedlock) and education and drop the gangsta rap style glorification of guns, drugs, bitches and ho's, Ebonics, underwear sticking out, etc. and the difference will be remarkable.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 04:56 | 5118846 BeetleBailey
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+1,000

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 05:39 | 5118879 Monty Burns
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Actually I've been doing some calculations on slavery and have worked out that I'm actually owed money.  Seriously!  http://irishsavant.blogspot.ie/2007/04/great-slavery-wheeze.html

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 07:35 | 5119002 overmedicatedun...
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holocaust museum for a group that never forgets, black's ain't got one, cause for them the holocaust is on going. from where I sit it's all insanity..yews never forget the non yews who died WW2 in those camps, my family were slaves in russia- owned by the vikings, we got over it. LBJ killed more black teens and babies than the KKK, and went one further and took out the black family..perhaps many blacks can't open their "eyes wide shut"

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 01:25 | 5118659 HDaryl
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At one point does it become an issue of personal responsibility? Since you prefer to identify yourself based on race as opposed to nationality, when is the appropriate time in your opinion for your race to step up and take an honest inventory of its own failings? What do you have to say about the Africans, Arabs, Asians, Indians, Mexicans, Latins, Russians, Ukranians, etc. who have come here in the last 5-10-15-20 years and are excelling-even though most of them have had to learn a second language in addition to overcoming the struggles of recent immigrants? 

400 years isn't long enough for your race to step up? Slavery has been gone for 150+ years. 

Is 1000 years enough time...?

2000?

Never? 

 

 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 03:07 | 5118774 Farqued Up
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They stole my forefathers' labor, too, so let's drop those 6' drag sacks and sit on our asses and squall. I'll bet you I have chopped, picked, and pulled more cotton, hauled more watermelons, hay, stacked peanuts, picked up pecans and even shined more shoes than anyone you know.

I laugh my ass off when I see some idiot Ivy Leaguer pissing and moaning about child sweat shops. I'd have jumped at an indoor sweat shop job when I was young. I'm omitting other menial jobs such as throwing the Birminham News, fixing flats, mowing yards, and bar tending. If I could turn a dollar honorably and legally I did it.

Get off your ass and quit squalling. Try emulating the Vietnam refugees that have come to this country. Stop listening to race baiting charlatans that are your real enemies. All lynchings aren't bad, I can furnish you some names if you ask. We honkies have our own lists, none are black.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 05:35 | 5118875 Monty Burns
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"you had a 400 year head start off our backs"

Well that's true.  Just think of all the black inventions we read about every Black Histry Mumf. Like the super-soaker, and....and....and...

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:18 | 5118526 blue gkm
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give it back, black people built this country not u not mexicans our free labor gave america the prosperity it has had for over 100 years check your history books. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:40 | 5118578 adr
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You might want to actually read a history book instead of taking Farakaan's word of it.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 01:33 | 5118677 HDaryl
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Not a single black person building any of the thousands of houses being constructed in my area.

 

All Mexicans and Central Americans.

 

Start with reality on reality's terms.

 

We've spent untold billions on EBT, welfare, etc. for the last 100 years on your group.

 

Time to step up.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 04:55 | 5118845 BeetleBailey
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Try reading other "history" books.....then go after the fucking DUTCH, PORTUGUESE, BRITISH....AND SURPRISE....YOUR OWN AFRICAN COUNTRIES....

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 12:12 | 5120355 PrintemDano
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But, but but, Obola said muslims built this nation.....so confusing...

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:22 | 5118531 SgtShaftoe
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Who is your enemy? 

Some kid in the hood that doesn't have a family, structure or discipline - largely a result of state persecution for generations, or the oligarchy ?  If you are losing sight of the enemy, you will be defeated.  Divide and conquer.  It's a strategy as old as time. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 05:32 | 5118872 Monty Burns
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You are quite right, and many of us here know who that enemy is.  But that doesn't mean blacks (with some honorable exceptions) are capable of operating in the modern democratic technological society created by Whites. Pretending they can - and I used to think they can - is causing untold damage to everyone and would accur even if the 'real enemy' never did a thing.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:20 | 5118532 blue gkm
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i do not hate white people i hate what raceist people have done to this country.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:21 | 5118533 blue gkm
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i do not hate white people i hate what raceist people have done to this country.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:31 | 5118549 Spungo
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I'm almost 30 and I still have 0 children. It must be the racism causing me to not be in poverty.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:31 | 5118550 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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The kittens in the article photo are not really an accurate depiction, Z/H. Could Z/H not photoshop a bullet proof vest onto the white kitten and while you are at it could you depict the white kitten plugging the

'black bro' kitten 8 times with a revolver? This civil rights fight in Ferguson is not about a fair fight between two kittens from the same litter either. This is about systematic racism in the heartland of the USA

and BIG government abuse of the poorest people in the USA. This is opposition to the American 'dream' that most white Americans enjoy at a cost to all cultures and ethnicities throughout planet Earth. Even Z/H is racist IMHO. American ethnocentrism is ugly and Americans are not in agreement with regard to the 'state of the union'. Three regions in the USA prosper at the cost of all the other regions of the USA. St. Louis is not a prosperous region. Full time unionized jobs are not available to the disenfranchised of Ferguson.

I get their angst, motherfuckers.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 02:47 | 5118759 Farqued Up
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You nailed the angst causer, unions that are the most discriminating group of degenerate people, especially in St. Louis and that pig sty across the big creek in Alton, Hartford and Wood river. The members are mostly decent people but the hierarchy is a collection of goons.

It appears to me that the cities that had professional sports teams back in the decades prior to WWII are a cliquish, deteriorating heap of refuse. That includes my childhood favorites Cardinals in the old Sportsmans Park. Too bad I never went there until the 70s after that was torn down. We were poor but we did have a Zenith with a clothesline that made a good antenna. KMOX would fade but was mostly good in Lower Alabama, the REAL LA!

St. Louis the city wasn't real bad in the 70s, not good now. Too bad.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:32 | 5118554 WTFMOFO
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MOFO Mexicans done took all your jobs yo!

 

 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 01:23 | 5118555 WTFMOFO
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Vote For Pedro!

 

 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:35 | 5118564 studfinder
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Pull the cops out, let them police themselves.  

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:36 | 5118566 adr
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So none of this is black people's fault. It was all the cards they were dealt, right?

The irish who came here penniless, the Germans, Polish, Chinese, the Indian, the Cambodians, Vietnamese, etc who all made it here would have resorted to the welfare state had thier skin been black.

Oh I forgot, it was all slavery and the white people who enslaved them. Then it was the seperate drinking fountains that turned them into wards of the state.

White people make them rob stores, gun each other down, rape each other, pop out babies with reckless abandon, and destroy tradtional family upbringing.

My ancestors were persecuted, jailed, had every belonging stolen from them, and were kicked out of thier homes for their religious beliefs. They fled to America penniless and became fur trappers in Canada. They didn't have the benefit of having housing, meals, and care provided for them which blacks had as slaves. Hollywood likes to portray every slave owner as a brutal overlord with whip in hand. That wasn't the majority case. Slavery is wrong and should have been abolished, however what blacks have today is even worse.

Martin Luther King had a dream of equailty, but equality must be earned. It can't just be granted by taking from others. The sad part is the good black people get lumped in with the bad, and they know it. The truth is they hate the ghetto trash of thier race more than anyone else.

I had a very candid conversation with an older black woman at a bar. She even brought it up. She saw a young group of black males dressed in typical ghetto attire. She said, "Would you look at them making all of us look bad." She went on to say that she and her husband worked hard to move out of the slum and into a nice neighborhood. When they first moved in they encountered resistance and racism, but once the people of the neighborhood got to know them they were accepted as good neighbors and good friends. But then the slum followed them and destroyed the neighborhood. Everything they worked for was trashed. Eventually they moved again and had to start all over justifying why they belonged in a better neighborhood. 

She said if her people just acted better and tried to make something of themselves there would be no need for the prejudice. It is thier actions alone that are responsible for the treatment they receive. However she said she is worried things have gone too far to be repaired. Fearful that her people will push others too far leading to what happened to the Jews in WWII. That like them members of her race will push people to violence and once that happens the good will not be seperated from the bad.

That woman deserves to be on a pulpit more than any current black leader.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:59 | 5118622 Jim in MN
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All societies produce gangs.  Colorful and distracting.  The real question is, do the moms and dads and siblings of the gang members want them to stop, or celebrate them?  And that question in turn largely hinges on how much of a stake the average member of whatever community it is feels in society at large.  Bogota, Gaza, or Ferguson, the key dynamic is whether the mom and pop shopkeeper feels like there is a future.  Realistically.

I think there is a big divide in black America in which some have developed such a stake, which was key to Dr. King's analysis and vision.  But others have not.  And the playing field, well, you can read all about the playing field here on ZH.

It is the same question for the white middle class, for the working poor of any race.  Ignore the larger dynamic and the moral umbrage at the youth of the moment is just emotional noise.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 04:51 | 5118844 BeetleBailey
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A-fuckin-Men.

Blacks in the U.S. have NO one to blame but their damn selves.

Choosing shit bags for "leaders" for decades, siding with the fuckin Democratic Party (asinine), and most of all, leaning on the slavery shit issue and using it as a crutch.

The vast majority of black people that I know are;

racist

ignorant

partisan

lazy

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 09:13 | 5119293 falak pema
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yes like Mohd Ali, all those sprinters, Arthur Ashe, those NBA and Baseball and football stars and of course Harry Belafonte and all those movie stars who have followed.

How many hard boiled eggs and spuds did you eat for breakfast?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 09:29 | 5119379 Uncle Remus
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Sammy (a twofer BTW) and Flip take offense at their exclusion.

Obviously, dat's rayciss.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:38 | 5118567 adr
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Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:38 | 5118574 jballz
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Until they stopr referring to each other as niggers, or until that term no longer has a derrogatory connotation, I am done giving them any sympathy whatsoever. It's a simple thing, respect yourself, respect  each other, or dwell in the bottom class forever.

 

But I am still gonna call you my bitchez. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:52 | 5118600 Jim in MN
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Hey Tylers, you all are the most courageous and badass tough guys on the Internet!  Thank you for allowing the uglybeautiful rainbow of humanity to spew forth across your site. 

Want some reality with your talking point-driven media????  We got more than enough.

God Bless and Protect All Zhers, Amen and Goodnight

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:56 | 5118610 lex parsimoniae
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"So how do we solve these problems?  People have been debating this for years, but nothing ever seems to actually get accomplished."

To the Author: like most who write about the disparities between white & black culture in America you cite 10 symptoms. Indeed, the contrasts are shocking but a good start to fixing things would be to look at what actually causes these disparities. On one hand; American black culture acccepts and encourages irresponsible behavior in many forms. On the other hand; there is a well oiled government machine working to insure that those who refuse to be responsible never have to suffer for it.

Blacks have every bit as much potential (individually) as any other people and black individuals prove it every day. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 05:22 | 5118870 Monty Burns
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"Blacks have every bit as much potential (individually) as any other people and black individuals prove it every day." 

That's very true.  Just look at Africa. Switzerland in the sun.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 10:29 | 5119729 volney47
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Very good point Lex.  And why do we have a well oiled machine?  Because politicians play the entitlement game in exchange for votes.  Our concept of welfare is flawed.  We need to abolish the evil of the dole and enthrone work as the solution.  A first step:  abolish the minimum wage and other requirements of employers to bring in new employees.  Second step: Abolish the North American Free Trade Agreement to bring jobs back to the USA.  Third step:  enforce immigration laws to stop the flood of unskilled workers that will work under the table while receiving government assistance.  Fourth step:  Begin proactive programs to help our Mexican neighbors.  There are micro lending programs that achieve remarkable results in Nogales Sonora today. The End.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 00:58 | 5118616 BringDaAmblamps
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I do not approve of this article, one bit.  This is the blabbering of a socialist/communist manifesto.  -1

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 01:16 | 5118650 directaction
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"The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews," by CUNY Professor Leonard Jeffries. 

Hint: It wasn't whitey. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 01:47 | 5118699 q99x2
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The most racist people will not marry outside of their ethnicity?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 02:05 | 5118716 basho
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As most of the comments seem to indicate, the ussa is goin' nowhere except down.

Keep spouting your WASPy views. Your moral outrage. Don't solve the problems - shoot the problems.

It's over you fools. You are all in the same ship. Don't you see that.

And you're all going down together and good riddance to this 'exceptional race of fools. lmao

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 02:29 | 5118736 HDaryl
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Don't you see that we have been rowing the boat, the plug has been pulled out of the back, and you don't know how to fish, let alone swim.

 

The EBT cards that have been providing your junk food will soon stop working.

 

Good luck.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 05:19 | 5118864 Monty Burns
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"You are all in the same ship."

Only to a small extent.  The black undertow has significantly dragged down the standard of living of Whites who pay for it, by way of direct subsidies (EBT, Obamafones, incarceration costs etc.) but also indirectly through degraded education systems, ruined neighbourhoods, displacement by preferential hiring, and trillions spent trying to 'bridge the achievement gap', which, of course remains as wide as it ever was. If there were no blacks in the USA Whites would have a standard of living higher than almost anywhere else. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 02:24 | 5118732 DIgnified
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I'd like to see the stats of black kids time spent paying attention in school vs other races.

 

source: been to school

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 03:06 | 5118772 Minburi
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Louis Farrakhan for president!

Here's why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXZdD31AdJk

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 04:29 | 5118834 firestarter_916
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I guess that Hope and Change from a Black President really got that community to where they wanted to...well, nevermind.  Good job O!

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 04:59 | 5118848 migra
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Is it just me or has zerohedge been overrun lately with articles rationalizing the lawless asshats in the streets of Ferguson. In this country you might be born poor but you don't have to stay that way. Get off your ass and work/study hard and you can do anything. Black people need not worry about the police. They need to worry about the guy in the mirror. That is the asshole who is keeping you down. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 05:10 | 5118855 Monty Burns
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Correct.  Never read such unadulterated rubbish.  Blacks are already drastically over-compensated for their 'contributions' to society. AA and set-asides have resulted in millions of incompetent blacks (a tautology) occupying positions drastically in excess of their abilities.  Anyone who's worked with and around them knows this.  They should be on their knees in gratitude at what WHitey has given them..at his own expense.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 04:58 | 5118849 migra
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Is it just me or has zerohedge been overrun lately with articles rationalizing the lawless asshats in the streets of Ferguson. In this country you might be born poor but you don't have to stay that way. Get off your ass and work/study hard and you can do anything. Black people need not worry about the police. They need to worry about the guy in the mirror. That is the asshole who is keeping you down. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 05:12 | 5118861 ncdirtdigger
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The reasons for items 1-6 &10, see items 7-9.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 05:49 | 5118885 GFORCE
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Obamas doin ok!

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 06:20 | 5118907 Raoul_Luke
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The root of the problem is the welfare state.  There's no shame in being poor.  If this poor kid had to work to help put food on his family's table, instead of hanging around on the streets with a strong sense of entitlement (and a bad attitude borne of the grievances such handouts engender), he'd be alive today.  And there'd be no riots in the street either, for that matter.  Just another failure of the liberal economic agenda.

Welfare is an anti-cultural program.  It undermines the value of work for the unskilled/uneducated, and presents them with the notion that it is our fault they can't get ahead in life.  No wonder the devolution began with LBJ's civil rights and welfare "achievements."

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 06:49 | 5118943 torak
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Where I use to live, the Hispanics outnumbered everyone.  Who do you blame when Whitey is a minority?
I wonder if the OP wears a 'White Privilege' T-shirt while he engages in racial self-flagellation.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 06:56 | 5118953 NoPension
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Guilty white people, who ignore and suppress reality to justify their conclusions are, by far the most destructive force in our society.

If not for guilty white people, the "black" condition in the US would not be so bad. How patronizing to be told you need institutional quotas to succeed. How is that not the most racist treatment of a group possible?

The US was always a sink or swim test bed. That is what made us so great. The cream generally rose to the top. Not in politics, that has always been a den of scumbag opportunists. But in general society, if you worked hard, played by the rules, you had a decent chance of a good life. What were the rules? Go to school, stay out of trouble, don't knock up everything in sight, control and raise your rug rats so they were not a burden or menace. Pretty fucking simple.

And the along come politicians and guilty white people to fuck it all up.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 08:43 | 5119145 22winmag
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That's a nice take on things. Indeed, the cream of the crop now sinks to the bottom and the scum rises to the top.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 07:47 | 5119015 Bob
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You know you said something worth hearing when simple facts create such a riot of contempt and hate like this one did . . . for people at the bottom rather than the top. It made the cunts of burning resentment run heavy with bitter blood.

And you called it in advance.  Too bad ZH has sunk to what it would appear to have wrt active commentors. 

Good Job, Mike!

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 08:07 | 5119047 youngman
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Personal responsibility.....that is what the Blacks lack.....when they figure that out..then they will grow....but now its anything but responsible....this article is so wrong in so many ways....they live how they live because that is how they want to live...

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 08:16 | 5119060 madcows
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why is it whiteys fault that blacks kill each other, join gangs, deal drugs, have multiple children from multiple fathers who immediately abandon them, drop out of school, never work, don't pursue higher education, etc...?

BLACK CULTURE IS THE FAULT OF THE BLACKS.  Whitey has provided them with free food, free rent, free school, AND priority over all other races for jobs, scholarships, and education.  They have been given numerous advantages over whitey, at whitey's cost.  As far as I'm concerned, the failure of the black community to achieve is the FAULT OF THE FUCKING BLACK COMMUNITY.  Screw you.  Racism has nothing to do with it.  It has everything to do with you.  Accept YOUR FAILURE, and change.  Hell, even the latin community has pulled ahead of you.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 08:57 | 5119200 d edwards
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There are countless very successful black Americans: the late MLK, Justice Thomas, Thomas Sowell, Dr. Ben Carson, Herman Cain and others from history such as Frederick Douglas and Geo. Washington Carver.

 

You're only a "victim" if you CHOOSE to be. None of the above mentioned came from wealth or priviledge. BTW didn't everyong claim that a black prez was the ultimate expression that we had achieved "racial equality?"

 

Unfortunately, there is power to be had and $$$ to be made by being a race baiting poverty pimp-Sharpton and Jackson are prime examples, and so is the president, much to everyone's disgust.

 

BTW, Ferguson isn't a ghetto or the 'hood-it's a middle class suburban area.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 09:06 | 5119254 madcows
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3 of the 78 arrested were from Ferguson.  The rioters aren't Fergusan residents.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 08:53 | 5119197 insanelysane
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I always like to ask, who the fuck are white people?

White seems to cover Iceland, Greenland, Finland, Norway, Sweden, Belgium, UK, Ireland, France, Germany, Poland, Russia, Ukraine, Latvia, Estonia, Switzerland, Italy, Greece, Austria, Canada, America, Australia, New Zealand, Hungary, Netherlands, Serbia, Croatia, and I am missing some.

And all of these white are exactly the same because they are white?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 09:29 | 5119386 HDaryl
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You forgot Turkey, Morrocco, Libya, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Spain, Portugal, Turkministan, Kazahkstan.....

 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 09:16 | 5119309 Farmer Joe in B...
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As a white person who grew up in trailer parks (white ghettos) and made something of myself through years of busting my balls, I would like to say....

FUCK YOU TO THIS RETARDED PIECE AND ITS AUTHOR!!!

I'm sick of white guilt in this country.  I'm building my my second house and self-sustaining farm on 15 acres in Costa Rica.  Peace out and have fun riding this train into the ground.....

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 09:16 | 5119312 clade7
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Old Negrow Spiritual modern lyrics...

"Free at last, Free at last!  Thank God Almighty, SHITS free at last!"

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 09:26 | 5119351 dxj
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The premise in this article is flawed. It implies that there is no justification for the apparent income disparity between the races (and thus justification for anger). The "article" (rant) also contains an implied justification for entitlement on behalf of the poor; that somehow they are entitled to the same standard of living despite not having done the necessary things to achieve that standard. Poor people, whatever their race, tend to make decisions that keep them poor. Who's fault is that? How do you address that? It's as if the author of this dribble thinks whitey is keeping all the black people down. That's bullshit. It's exactly this kind of populist hogwash that fans the flames of violence in the first place.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 10:16 | 5119666 volney47
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So it appears our problems began about the same time the North American Free Trade Agreement was put into law?

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