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St.Louis PD Release 'Suicide-By-Cop' Shooting Clip

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As we noted previously, just days after the fatal shooting of Mike Brown in Ferguson, a 2nd officer-involved shooting ended in death for the suspect just miles from Ferguson. St.Louis Police Department - in the interests of transparency -  have released video of both the alleged shoplifting and the so-called 'suicide-by-cop' shooting itself of 25-year-old Kajieme Powell.."Powell approached the officers when they arrived, yelling at them to shoot him already. When he ignored commands to drop the knife, the two officers fired a total of 12 shots."


As St.Louis public radio reports,

Powell was suspected of shoplifting energy drinks and donuts from a convenience store. The shop owner, believing that Powell was carrying a weapon, contacted police.

Another witness, Ald. Dionne Flowers, who represents the area and owns a beauty salon in the same block, noticed that Powell was acting erratically and also called police. Flowers told police she saw a second knife, though only one was recovered at the scene.

Powell approached the officers when they arrived, yelling at them to shoot him already.

When he ignored commands to drop the knife, the two officers fired a total of 12 shots. Chief Sam Dotson said the knife was like a steak knife.

The security camera footage of the alleged shoplifting. 

Cell phone footage of the shooting itself (the police start around 1:00)
Note: this contains both graphic language and violence.

The St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department said it will act with complete transparency.

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We also note that AG Holder has already left Ferguson - having met with Mike Brown's family.

And, as Bloomberg reports,

A grand jury will begin hearing evidence tomorrow in the police shooting death of Ferguson, Missouri, teenager Michael Brown, as violent clashes continued in the St. Louis suburb.

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Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:05 | 5123131 TeamDepends
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Moral of the story: Are you willing to die for Swisher-Sweets?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:10 | 5123150 WhackoWarner
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You have a mentally unblalanced human screaming 'shoot me".   So in all wisdom they do with 12 bullets?  Is this the state of treatment for mental illness?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:21 | 5123196 Stackers
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Did anyone else notice the 2 shots fired after he had already fallen to the ground motionless ? Just a few more to make sure ?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:29 | 5123252 CH1
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What happened to shooting them in the leg?

From 0 to 100 with no in-between?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:34 | 5123286 Publicus
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Police have a quota of allowed murders per day perhaps?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:03 | 5123451 max2205
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Did they miss 11 times?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:14 | 5123492 wintermute
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How about them using a fricking TASER! Don't they have loads of those on hand?

Nothing has been learned between the two shootings.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:19 | 5123536 TerminalDebt
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But but but, the poilice said they only fired 5 shots. WTF police can't count anymore? I thought only TSA agents were complete idiots

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:51 | 5123708 James_Cole
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Thank God they flipped him over to cuff him. Was only shot ~dozen times. I swear he was about to get up and go on a rampage with that steak knife, hell he could've taken out half the city!

Quick thinking too, only took ~20s for these two sharpshooters to survey the scene and realize everyone around was in grave danger and the best way to deescalate was shoot the kid many times. Enter a conflict guns blazing and then keep firing - the motto of every great police force worldwide. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:08 | 5123773 Quus Ant
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remember this one? 

Knife wielding woman handing out pizza samples at Costco acts irratically- cops gun her down.


America has turned a dark corner.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 00:29 | 5123999 giggler321
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very sad.  clearly there are 2 many times they use excessive force and seemingly get away with it.  I say that knowing there is an undetermined limit where "folks" just won't take anymore.  perhaps we've reached it with Mr.brown.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 07:43 | 5124355 Majestic12
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If you read RT, you'll see there are many in that force who are upset over this unprofessional "disease" that reflects poorly on those who use appropriate tactics...its always the fat, close to pension, lazy-thinking boneheaded knuckle draggers who do this...with a sense of "entitlement"...they see themselves and modern "Gladiators"...instead of "protectors" of the peace (not petty property like Quicky-Mart inventory that has shrinkage priced in and is insured in most cases).

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:09 | 5123781 MagicHandPuppet
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I'll bet those cops were partying and hi-fiving each other that night. Legal murder and torture is their drug of choice.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 07:39 | 5124342 Majestic12
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You mean besides pedophelia child trafficking...they supply the 1% with satanic ritual "fodder"....jes' followin' orders....

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 09:21 | 5124671 nostromo17
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plus was it safe to cuff him? maybe he wasn't dead yet? WHere's the rule for that?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:24 | 5123842 AustriAnnie
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If 2 cops cannot control a man with a knife, then they should not be cops.  

The chances that one of those cops were to actually get a fatal stab wound are next to nil.  

Can someone with police and/or military training tell me -- don't they teach you how to control the knife-hand of someone and disarm them?  Is it not possible for TWO TRAINED MEN to disarm one kid with a knife?

And lets say you find you cannot disarm him.... Are you NOT trained to inflict a non-fatal gun wound by shooting the kid in the foot/leg/hand/arm/shoulder/etc...i.e. do you NOT have many options to disarm the assailant without actually killing him?

Officers sign up for this.  They get paid for this.  And they are trained for this.  I don't know any real peacekeeper who would shoot this kid if he didn't have to -- and certainly not TWELVE times.

What do they teach these cops -- all the ways they can get away with murder?  All the ways they can hide behind a badge?  If i had been on the street, I honestly don't think I would have pulled a trigger if this kid had come at me.  And I don't have training or backup.  I just have a soul.

If the kid had broken into my house in the middle of the night, its another story.  But the cop could have backed up and avoided getting within knife-slashing distance of this guy.  There was nobody else around who was in danger.  That cop wanted to shoot someone before he even showed up.  He ran in there like a blood-thirsty hound.  That is not what "protect and serve" looks like.  

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:36 | 5123870 bigrooster
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Why should they have to.  If a fucking nut job was coming at me with a knife and I had a gun I would put 3 in his chest!  I like you ZH brothers, but get a fucking grip.  10% of cops are bad the rest have a wife and kids and put their life on the line to protect our sorry asses posting shit online all day.  Have some fucking gratiude.   

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:51 | 5123916 RECISION
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If they can't stand the heat - then get out of the fucking kitchen.

get another fucking job.

The police's job is not to shoot people - their job is to NOT.SHOOT.PEOPLE...

Read the fucking comment right above yours again fool.

With two cops present, and no one else in danger, there is zero excuse for not using de-escalation techniques to resolve this.

Or tazers... or their batons... or backing off and calling in more help if they are too frightened to handle it by themselves.

Shit, wait for the canine unit to arrive even.

...but launching off 12+ shots...???

These fuckwits need to be fired and prosecuted.

And then their superiors need to be prosecuted too, for creating a climate in their dept that condones that sort of behaviour.

THIS is the definition of TRIGGER-HAPPY.


Thu, 08/21/2014 - 01:49 | 5124086 Chief Wonder Bread
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I'm not an admirer of the police but...

They won't be fired or prosecuted. They followed correct procedure.

People don't understand how dangerous a knife is at close range (within 21 feet).

It doesn't take more than 2-3 seconds to close that distance. I'm over 60 and I can do it.

It appears the guy was charging within that range wielding a knife yelling "shoot me!"

Every LEO knows the inaccuracy of a handgun under extreme stress. Please don't talk about placing a round in a leg under those conditions.

So you often hear the expression, 'don't bring a knife to a gunfight.' 

It depends. Within 10 ft, I'd take the knife every time. Within 21 ft against an opponent with no training, I'd again choose the knife, no hesitation. I can put the other guy under extreme stress by doing just what this guy did, closing the distance as fast as possible.

The idea that a taser should have been used is ludicrous.

(And the reason they handcuffed him is because they didn't know he was dead at that point (and neither did the guy shooting the video). Again, they were following their training.)



Thu, 08/21/2014 - 05:50 | 5124231 Frankie Carbone
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A 21 foot rule applies. The average attacker can close 21 feet in less than a second. In concealed carry class, we are taught that if an attacker presents a threat from 21 feet or so away, and attempts to close, then you are justified to use lethal force in self defense. 

If he did indeed have a knife then this one is a clear case of self defense. 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 09:08 | 5124606 TerminalDebt
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7m in under a second?

now you're just making shit up.


That's the first 7m of 100m in 14 seconds.


Probably less than 10 people in the world that can do that.



Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:24 | 5127284 Frankie Carbone
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My bad. AVERAGE suspect 1.5 seconds, some faster some slower. But you're missing the entire point. You can't pull your weapon out of the holster and apply defensive force in that time. 

Check this out.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 06:38 | 5124261 FredFlintstone
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No one will want to be a cop at this rate except in the tamest of suburbs. Then what?

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 17:23 | 5126945 jefferson32
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Indeed it was an execution, pure and simple. "Cool he's got a knife, i won't get in trouble, here's the fun i hoped for".

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:14 | 5123482 remain calm
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What was the police officer suppose to do. Run? Let him stab him once then kill him? Use his batton? Put yourself in his shoes you drive up to a shoplifting crime and you are approached by a man with a knife, you have wife and kids that you would like to see that night. I would have done the same thing. Protected myself. The guy made a bad decision for you sympathetic viewers but he got what he wanted, he got what the moment called for. He is most definitely in a better place than in this shit hole controlled by corrupt bankers.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:46 | 5123680 SemperFudge
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You're missing the point. We shouldn't be shooting people to death on request just because they're mentally disturbed enough to ask for it. That's the state of mental health since the public psych wards all closed down in America.

There used to be a time a cop might put one in a leg or something. That tends to slow a person down. Now, it's just a bloodbath at the OK corral.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:06 | 5123769 ACP
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If you want an example of what can happen when you don't shoot a mentally disturbed man with a knife:

A man with a knife kills two Nicaraguan cops, armed with rifles, because they didn't want to shoot.

You don't shoot in the legs. No one shoots in the legs, not military, not cops, not ccw holders.


Of course, shooting someone again while they're already on the ground without a firearm, is another story.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 02:27 | 5124127 Chief Wonder Bread
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Great example ACP.

And the guy wasn't even trying that hard. And look how he was holding the knife. Ice-pick grip. HAHA.

He could have easily killed all four of them.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:07 | 5123770 Sages wife
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So maybe we should forego training our police forces.  All they need to do is get out the car and start shooting.  Why teach them self-defence or crowd control?  Of course, I definitely agree with the banker thing.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 00:01 | 5123936 zanez
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Just mount a remote control minigun on the roof of the cruiser. Fat bastards wouldn't even have to leave the car.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 04:41 | 5124201 zhandax
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We have foregone training our rambos allegedly serving as peace officers.  Not even the EOF known to every vet who served overseas.   I will not claim it is not by design.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:34 | 5123289 Toxicosis
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Exactly.  Twelve friggin shots to bring him under control.  Two of them(cops) from a distance.  The guy wasn't some fucking samurai or ninja in a black suit about to throw shuriken at their heads.  One shot maybe two in the leg, but killing is a helluva lot more fun.  And besides I wear a blue costume and a badge so.....FUCK YOU.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:10 | 5123489 SgtShaftoe
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Or mace, or a tazer.  If there was a proper time to use non-lethal means, this was it.  STL filth have at least one or both of those. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:38 | 5123314 FredFlintstone
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Great, take him into a hospital and put him back together? Maybe some rehab? Why should we pay for all of that shit? Why should doctors and nurses have to be subject to that bullshit?

How would all of that benefit society? Does this man need love, understanding and kindness? Maybe you should dedicate your life to helping these men? Open up your home? Or maybe you just want others to work and pay for it all?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:40 | 5123327 CH1
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You think crazy people need to die?

Grow the fuck up. This was someone's son.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:46 | 5123361 FredFlintstone
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I am a grown man and so was he. If this was my son, I would be sad and dissappointed. There aren't enough resources to salve all of our wounds. Man up.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:51 | 5123391 Toxicosis
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That's right you're a grown man with cognizant capabilities, the other guy at the time probably not so much.  But no matter shoot em, cause it's too much effort and trouble to have to get to the bottom of people's troubles.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:14 | 5123518 Better_late_tha...
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All of you stupid fucks who are crying about tasers or other options are fools. This isn't some video game. If some crazy fuck comes at you with a knife, you shoot him until he is on the ground and not moving. He made the choice to attack these officers and they did what needed to be done. You don't shoot one bullet; you don't shoot them in the leg; you shoot them in the chest until they stop. All of the trolls on here using their video game wisdom to quarterback this video from the safety of their computer chairs have never been in a life threatening situation. I'm here to eat popcorn and watch our worldwide debt ponzi explode, but FFS, shut the fuck up when it comes to the cop bashing. Most cops are good people trying to deal with society's scum so your grandma can go to the grocery store without getting fucking robbed. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:25 | 5123560 SgtShaftoe
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Cops are not soldiers.  They're paid to put themselves in the middle of a conflict and de-escalate (at least they used to be).  Unless you are hoping for a civil war, back the fuck off. 


Have you been fucking shot at HERO?!!  I fucking have.  Shut the fuck up.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:43 | 5123894 bigrooster
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"Have you been fucking shot at HERO?!!  I fucking have.  Shut the fuck up."

Wow was that when you were picking up a crack whore in the getto?  Who gives a shit about you getting shot at.  So because we pay the cops they should just risk their life for some stuipid fuck with a knife coming at them?  Would you taser a dude coming at you with a knife?  Oh wait you don't even own a taser.


Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:26 | 5123575 FredFlintstone
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Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:27 | 5123580 Poundsand
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No big deal because he can re-spawn right?  At least that's what they do in the video games.  I wonder what the wait time on that is...


Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:44 | 5123670 Advoc8tr
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I can empathize with the "take no chances" shoot to kill approach in such a situation ... barely  However you are living in fantasy land if you think

Most cops are good people trying to deal with society's scum so your grandma can go to the grocery store without getting fucking robbed.

Your great grandfather maybe ... but today they are unanimously authority worshiping power and control freaks who think that pinning a badge on their chest with the masters logo on it abdicates their humanity and moralityThey don't prevent crime so your granny is safe ... they punish those perceived to have committed a crime (whose definition is simply dictated to them) for money and ego enhancement.

I caught the end of some lame ass current affairs special the other night on the TV.  A 30 year veteran cop here in Australia who had put hundreds in jail for smoking / dealing pot was crying about how it should be legalized like in the States because ... he just discovered his son had a cancer treatment related issue and needed to use Pot as it was the only thing that would work.  Never gave a thought to the harmlessness of others using it privately in 30 years ... just helped the state chuck them all in jail because that was what he was told to do.  Outrageous hypocrites without any genuine concern for doing the right thing or protecting / serving the citizens.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:02 | 5123444 Professorlocknload
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Yeah, OK, Fred, let's just eliminate the Courts and let the assassins decide who should live and who should die.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:12 | 5123495 FredFlintstone
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Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:31 | 5123618 SgtShaftoe
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Ahhhh...  the truth comes out.  A regime enforcer slag. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:13 | 5123800 FredFlintstone
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No. I am a white man. Employed wage slave. Tax donkey. A minority in each category. I don't give anyone any problems, don't look for any and certainly don't want a knife wielder walking down my street looking for trouble. Now if that makes you my enemy, I am not quite sure what and who you are.

There are some scary freaks on this board I am finding out.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:40 | 5123890 SgtShaftoe
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I mind my own business and stay in the shadows.  I don't want trouble, but I'm cursed with the "gift" of Cassandra.  The more you know and all that shit.  If everyone is following your same train of thought though, shit's going to get awfully sporty, and I'll be locking my front gate. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:28 | 5123549 SgtShaftoe
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Effective law enforcement, the commercial, Mayberry style, the kind that works is DE-fucking-ESCALATION.  If you have to resort to force, always, ALWAYS use the least amount of force necessary.  This guy was 180 pounds maybe, soaking wet, in molten lead (or gold).  Two guys, no TWO COPS can't take him down safely????  WTF? 

Cops have been so seduced by the tough-guy bullshit from the military movies and TV; many think they're in a fucking SF ODA.  If they continue to escalate, it's going to start something absolutely terrifying, and they will get their ass handed to them in charred and chopped little pieces as they're running home to mommy, but then it will be too late.  This shit needs to stop RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!  I know where this is going, and in the end they will lose, badly like a band of little sniveling pussies, but not before many innocents are caught in the crossfire. 

I hope and pray every day that some of these fools will find sanity and realize their stupidity and step off the bank of that Rubicon.  Time will tell. 


Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:02 | 5123449 TheMeatTrapper
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"This was someone's son."

He was a thief and he attempted to kill another man in broad daylight. 

Just keep repeating "Mah bebe dint do nuffin". Oh, the cop is someones son as well. Grow the fuck up.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:36 | 5123640 SgtShaftoe
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Looks like you need a refresher course:

5th Amendment to the US Constitution:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

6th Amendment to the US Constitution:

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:40 | 5123649 FredFlintstone
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He had a speedy public trial, but I don't know if he enjoyed it.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:46 | 5123679 SgtShaftoe
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So you're a self admitted totalitarian goose-stepper.  Good for you.  May I suggest you suck a tail-pipe... and breathe deep, unless you want to do some reading on unalienable rights, natural rights, Bastiat, Jefferson, etc.  Seems like Goebels, or Himmler is more your style though... it was worth a shot. 



Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:49 | 5123700 FredFlintstone
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You have no sense of humor.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:58 | 5123739 SgtShaftoe
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This shit is not funny... at all.  This is deadly serious, and if things keep going, everybody will be a sad fucking panda. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:16 | 5123795 Tall Tom
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Nobody respects that Constitution. Nobody respects the supreme law of the land.


Cops do not


Fred Flintstone wants the cops to act as judge, jury, and executioner.


There are no Political Solutions.


Wait until posting on Zerohedge is considered sedition, terrorism, and a Capital Offense.


Obama kills without due process and Meat Trapper, Fred Flintstone, and many others will scream "Bloody Murder!!!"


But if a Cop kills without due process then that is a-okay.


Even the Iraqi Shopkeeper at Mr. Liquor, next door to me, was of that opinion.


He swears an oath of loyalty to become a US Citizen. But he fails to understand that he is no longer living in Saddam Hussein's Iraq.




Yes, believe it or not, I am STILL WELCOME in his store. (Besides he owes me for an 18K Diamond Ring...or the ring...another deal. I am his friend, after all. And he had better get my damned Mountain Dew...fucking Monty.)


And that is just what the USA has turned into...a copy of Saddam Hussein's Iraq.


They can de-escalate. Or we are headed for Civil War as bad as the one that has been happening in Iraq.


It is very sad, too sad, that you are right.


They can taze him and/or use Rubber Bullets. That would have taken that crazy down. But they chose lethality and allowed a "Suicide by Cop".


Don't worry. The Cops will become Mentally Ill because of it as our society becomes more insane by the day. Then they will both be basket cases on the dole.


Rule of Law? What is that?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:32 | 5123866 SgtShaftoe
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So true...  I don't see how people can be so blinded to reality, but they are. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:45 | 5123677 LiquidBrick
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A son she no doubt abandoned years ago, never teaching him the virtues of never giving up, working hard, all day and all night to get to the next level, bit by tiny bit, to overcome each adversity by learning from mistakes instead of being a screaming billboard for "VictimsRus".

A son she allowed not only to live on a diet of energy drinks and donuts, but to steal them.

Where was she? Where is she? 

When she appears, it will never be her fault for raising him as poorly as she did, if she can even ever explain why she allowed herself to get pregnant in the first place, but it will be some system's fault for not giving her son the free education that he would have refused anyway.

He did ask to be shot.  That was undeniable and unmistakable.  

We don't need to have a trial to find him guilty and spend taxpaper dollars that don't exist to feed him 3x a day in prison.

Enough is enough already. 


Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:30 | 5123865 blackbeardz
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I expect that carma will visit your due process some day too.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:49 | 5123904 Tall Tom
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And you think, immediately, that this was a "Welfare Kid"?


Mental Illness is not a respector of Socioeconomic Status.


Schizophrenics are born to the Wealthiest and to the poorest of families.


I used to know this one wealthy lady in Jamul, California that had the misfortune of having all of her brood turn out that way.


Her daughter rolled her over a cliff when she decided that the money was more important than caring for her elderly mother.


The appropriate bribes were paid as the death was ruled accidental. She got away with murder as well as most of the estate.


Maybe it will happen to you.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:42 | 5123340 Toxicosis
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So instead we shoot them.  Thanks for coming Fred, back to the stone age with you.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:47 | 5123380 FredFlintstone
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Open your eyes, do some math. It don't add up. Prison $60k/yr. ER bill $20k. 12 hollow points and a pine box $3k.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:56 | 5123410 Toxicosis
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Um, perhaps it's not prison this man needed, but actual mental health treatment/ medical treatment.  Could they have possibly dealt with this another way.  Absolutely. Careful Fred don't get anything serious like life threatening cancer or something of that nasty nature, cause the pine box is only 3 grand.  You know Fred there's a thing called oh.....restraint, kinda mixes with ethics and common sense.  But nope sorry, not your cuppa tea.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:58 | 5123422 fonzannoon
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He certainly was a perfect candidate for Obamacare.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:00 | 5123435 FredFlintstone
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Common sense is not your cup of tea.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:34 | 5123565 hobopants
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So execute the guy in the street or pay for his care for the rest of his life...gotta love the wonderful choices the current system gives us...

Tasing the guy and then arresting him for shoplifting and then letting him go free after he served his time would be the best course of action.

Then nobody would have had to die and nobody would be forced into providing care for his mental state unless they were a charity and wanted to.



Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:31 | 5123864 Tall Tom
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The Mental Health expenditures for the cops, along with their disability, will cost about $125,000 to $150,000 per year PER COP, for the rest of their lives.


If Fred does not believe that taking someone else's life does not mentally fuck up the person that did it then he is rather naieve.


That act produces a deep psychological wound which, in most cases, NEVER HEALS.


That is why there are a lot of Veterans totally screwed up from serving in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. That is why the Veterans Affairs Budget is overtaxed and the Military men are coming home to be unemployable and homeless.


And he believes that they saved some money (the most important thing to Fred) as the bean counter which he is?


Fred is myopic.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 00:10 | 5123961 zanez
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How about the $3 million settlement the police dept. pays when the jury decides this was a murder?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:01 | 5123442 GoldRulesPaperDrools
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You're mistaken ... a cremation is a lot cheaper than $3k.  But you do have to factor in the cleaning patches and solvent the cops need to use to clean their pistols after the fact.

The fact is that if you want the police to punch your departure ticket from this world they will oblige you.  Don't like that?  Don't put them in that situation.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:06 | 5123462 fonzannoon
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Yeah, while I sympathize with the crowd on here that feels the cop was excessive, it boils down to the laws of nature. You just don't do that. I'd actually say the same to the guys who captured "officer go fuck yourself" on tape. That cop was out of his mind and they were taunting him to shoot them. He would have been clearly in the wrong but they would still be dead if he did.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:30 | 5123602 Raynja
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live as a slave or die as a man, we all gonna go one day

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:53 | 5123920 Bunga Bunga
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Cost of reputation damage will be in the billions. The rest of the world is watching very closely what is going on in this country and foreigners will base their investment and travel plans on such impressions. That the police kills fast without questions is a typical cliche of the US and gets a big boost in their minds.  They are even more scared.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 06:35 | 5124259 FredFlintstone
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Foreign investment? Like MS 13 and ISIS?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:47 | 5123376 mayhem_korner
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Bad post, Fred.  Would we were all perfect with a little Pebbles playing with Dino in the family room.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:40 | 5123321 NOZZLE
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CHStupid, shooting to disable is not part of police training,  its called deadly force for a reason you  fucking puke. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:41 | 5123336 CH1
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shooting to disable is not part of police training...

That's sarc, right.

Please tell me it's sarc.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:09 | 5123483 TheMeatTrapper
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Shooting to diisable is for TeeVee. Its right up there with six foot tall super model secret agents.

There's this concept called center of mass, and tunnel vision under stress. Another term for it is reality.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:14 | 5123509 Miffed Microbio...
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Actually this is true. All gun training is shoot to kill. When you draw a weapon, it is simply your life vs another's life. Do or do not, no try. This is why a gun especially in this circumstance should NEVER be drawn. By definition this is an escalation to a deadly level.

When I was trained, they had countless examples where women drew their weapon to protect themselves, hesitated and had themselves killed with it. One example was a woman drew her gun on an intruder and fired a "warning" shot into the wall, killing her mother.

I am sorry this man died. My best friends husband did this and all of us were absolutely devastated by it. However, he did brandish a gun at the officers. My friend admitted they had no choice. They actually tried to talk him out of it. This case was cold blooded killing.


Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:57 | 5123887 AustriAnnie
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This may be true -- IF your life is threatened.  I fail to see how this guy waiving a knife in the air was truly threatening more than one officer's life.  

Shoot to kill.  OK.  But before that: the decision whether to shoot at all.

Does pointing a gun at the kid make him more or less likely to calm down?  Could the officers, when they were 50 feet away, have tried to talk him down first?  Or did they rush in, with minds already made up to pull the trigger?

There was no effort to talk him down.  What are the statistical odds: 1 knife against 2 officers with guns?

If the officer were truly concerned for his life (i.e. a defensive stance rather than offensive) he could have attempted to call backup while diffusing the situation as best he could.  This did not happen.  The cop was rushing in like he wanted it this way.

Miffed, I respect you a lot, as an old-timer here on ZH.  I think you are putting yourself in the officer's shoes, which is admirable, but is the officer really like you?  Does he worry at night about the health of our society?  

You have to ask yourself: where does this go?  Do cops shoot at anyone who gets loud and waives a sharp object around?  What about men with conceal-carry or open carry -- should they shoot them on site, as a default reaction?

I know plenty of men my father's age who will say they saw a few knives brandished in bar brawls over the years.  They saw threats tossed around and people get in each other's (or even cops') faces.  But what happened back then?  People stepped in, most of the time, and disarmed the idiot son of a bitch so he could get his head back on straight. 

There is a huge difference between trained officers with all the resources they need to disarm a crazed lunatic, and a woman being attacked on the street by a man with a knife.  The officer walk into that situation voluntarily, they are paid to show up and attempt to keep the peace.  

Being an officer would be tough -- especially today given the assholes you might have to serve with and the politics involved.  The truth is: I couldn't do it.  I don't have the guts.

I know its different looking in from a distance, but you have to admit that police do not have the accountability they used to.  There are some good cops out there, but a good many of them are the hot-headed asshole little shits who started fights on the grade school playground.  They never changed, they just got a badge and a firearm.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:52 | 5123711 dock3511
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One size fits all, shoot. 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 04:40 | 5124203 BrosephStiglitz
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@CH1 there is no safe place to shoot someone aside from maybe the shoulder, or forearm.  If you shoot someone in the leg and nick the femoral artery they are going to bleed out in about a minute.  It is, without a doubt, one of the largest blood vessels in the body.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:31 | 5123279 Urban Redneck
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The shooting began and finished in under four seconds.

However, at that distance, and armed with only a knife, there are at least three different ways that I could kill you with that knife, and only that knife, in under four seconds.

4 seconds, you can call an instant, or all the time in the world, either way it's a paradox.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:40 | 5123322 Nigh Eve
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Fair enough.
However, after your first and second bullet wound, could you still do it?
Okay, then.
Well...What about after your 3rd and 4th bullet wound?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:50 | 5123387 Urban Redneck
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It's reasonably possible, the range looked to be at or just under 8 feet when they started shooting. Those pistols (even assuming the first rounds hit center of mass) aren't enough to overcome forward momentum when a grown man is lunging at you.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:10 | 5123490 IShoutLOUDER
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There is literally nowhere else in the world where this would even be close to considered acceptable. In Britain last year, where regular police dont even have fire arms, officers fired their weapons on 3 occasions. In Germany in 2012 officers fired a total of 80 shots, half of which were warning shots.

Police are expected at times they will face violent offenders and they are trained in how to deal with situation, including backing off and calling for backups. Around here (NZ) regular police would contain the offender until backup arrived and then subdue him with dogs or tazers.

Police in the US are fucking insane.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:17 | 5123525 fonzannoon
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 "In Britain last year, where regular police dont even have fire arms"....two crazy assholes beheaded a soldier in broad daylight in the middle of traffic and then hung out for 20 fucking minutes shooting the shit with the crowd and doing interviews waiting for the cops....

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:26 | 5123577 IShoutLOUDER
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Yes a guy got killed in the UK. I think a few peeps got killed in the US too. For fuck sake you moron.

In the US you are **one hundred times** more likely to be killed by a policemen then in the UK. I havent seen the stats for other western, developed countries but i'm pretty sure its about the same.

You dudes have a serious problem. Sort your police out.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:33 | 5123620 fonzannoon
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It seems like you are putting the U.K cops on a pedestal and congratulating them for being worthless. Well...congrats...

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 02:29 | 5124129 blabam
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Most Europpean cops  would become hardcore cops within a week in ghetto USA.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:21 | 5123545 wintermute
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Best comment today

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:23 | 5123546 Urban Redneck
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Police in the US are fucking insane, but even more insane is police firing 80 warning shots.

It's bad enough discharging a firearm when you have a criminal as a soft backstop, when you have NO IDEA where the bullet will wind up, you are INFINITELY more negligent, incompetent and unprofessional than those two cops.

All of the sudden, I don't feel so bad about Bubba's boys taking all of Buba's gold.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:28 | 5123587 IShoutLOUDER
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What the fuck?? Shooting some dude having a bad day 12 times in negligient, incompetent, unprofessional and (probably and hopefully) illegal. Firing a shot into the dirt to let someone know your serious is just ... not really bad at all.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:30 | 5123611 IShoutLOUDER
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Here's just one example of how a professional police force responds to a difficult situation:

"Actor Robert Mokaraka, 36, was shot in Point Chevalier about 1pm yesterday after allegedly lunging with knives and a meat cleaver toward police officers.

Fearing for their safety, police shot him in the upper chest.

Mokaraka had surgery at Auckland Hospital to have the bullet removed and was reported to be in a serious but stable condition this morning.

The armed offenders squad and an officer trained with a taser were on their way when the shooting took place."

Armed with knives (multiple) and a meat cleaver. They fired ONE shot, which they were forced to do while backup and a tazer was on its way, and the guy survived. And guess what, he wasnt a bad guy, just having a rough patch in his life.


Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:56 | 5123726 Urban Redneck
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Show me a video or provide enough detail to demonstrate that the situations are actually comparable.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:41 | 5123652 Urban Redneck
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When you shoot into the air the bullet will come back down to the ground (at a high velocity), when you shoot (at) the concrete pavement, the bullet will ricochet and fragment, regardless- the shooter has NO IDEA where the bullet will stop or who will be hit.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 09:17 | 5124647 nostromo17
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Same risk when you plug someone with 12 shots. Logic doesn't hold fella.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 09:51 | 5124782 Urban Redneck
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No. Shooting into someone absorbs (and significantly reduces) the bullet's energy.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:12 | 5123503 TheMeatTrapper
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@Urban Redneck:

These people have no clue how right you are. They simply cannot grasp what a man with a knife is capable of, and how fast a man can close the distance between them and you. If some of these posters ever ended up in harms way, they would die with a very suprised, bewildered look on their face. 

It's like talking to a brick wall. I simply cannot believe how naieve some of these people are when it comes to weapons and street reality. It shows me that there's a huge section of white America that has absolutely no fucking clue what they are talking about. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:36 | 5123637 Miffed Microbio...
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After working trauma for 8 years, I must agree with you. Knife often wins in the short range. We once had a man put a .357 at the base of the neck of a Marine, trying to car jack him. He whirled around and stabbed him in the neck, throat and abdomen. The guy was dead before he hit the ground. Of course he was trained but I've seen many other cases that were not.

In this case, this guy clearly wanted to die. He held the knife to make this a certainty.


Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:47 | 5123688 Raynja
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Assuming the insane ninja was as badass as urban redneck claims to be, a simple cost benefit analysis of shooting him once, maybe twice, at risk of him 'lunging' across an suv and stabbing an officer, we're assuming the stab wound would have been fatal?


People in high risk situations are trained to handle and mitigate these risks.

What are they being taught? 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:49 | 5123694 Urban Redneck
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Having watched the first two minutes of that video God knows how many times, I can only come to conclusion that the cop on the passenger side let the "crazy" guy get way too close. He was walking towards the officer when they started shooting and his body rolled to stop almost under the car door and right at where the officer's feet when the shooting started.

Magic bullets and paper targets don't reflect the ugly reality well.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:57 | 5123733 SgtShaftoe
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Let me inform you how this should have been handled: 


1.  2 cops come on scene, survey the situation, search and assess. 

2.  guy with knife spotted, one guy draws weapon, and keeps safe distance from knife guy. 

3.  second guy 45 degrees from first guy and perp, pulls tazer, or mace, "drop the knife", "drop the knife"

4. tazer guy drops knife guy with tazer or non-lethal means

4a - if guy get's really crazy and completely unmanageable, drop him with lethal force

5. safely restrain (don't bash his head on the hood or the concrete - that is a no-go)

6. take him for psychological evaluation and treatment. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:27 | 5123852 FredFlintstone
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And they all lived happily ever after.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:34 | 5123291 cougar_w
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That's called an execution.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:58 | 5123420 GoldRulesPaperDrools
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Bullets are cheap.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 09:16 | 5124641 nostromo17
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I thought cuffing the apparently dead man was special myself.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:20 | 5123198 cougar_w
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Never once reached for a taser?

12 bullets, and one would have stopped him and might have kept the dude alive long enough to get him to a hospital which is where he should have been all along.

These cops have no effective training and do not know what the fuck they are doing. Period.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:22 | 5123213 fonzannoon
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I said the same thing about the taser below. The irony being if they tasered the guy and chucked him in jail everyone around here would be pointing out that the guy would now be getting 3 meals a day and a roof over his head courtesy of the taxpayer and we would rather the cop just dropped him.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:29 | 5123255 disabledvet
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Having had the oppufinity to be on the recieving end of Missouri's law enforcement I gotta say this is far from surprising.  The world is watching for a reason....

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:32 | 5123275 cougar_w
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Because they don't see how this could ever be one of them -- or any other random schmoe -- who just happened to zig when he or she should have zagged.

It really comes down to behavior, not motive. If you do anything a cop ever finds threatening -- and just about anything you can think of is -- they drill you on the spot and say it was in the line of duty.

Come on. Seriously in the line of duty meaning what exactly about your duty you stupid cunt.

I'm a little pissed, if you haven't noticed.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:37 | 5123304 disabledvet
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Suspiciously....the bag of cheetos was missing.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:47 | 5123371 loonyleft
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don't answer the door holding a wii controller. Don't get out of your car holding your wallet. Don't get your cane out of your pickup truck. 

Unfortunately the laws don't require an officer to know whether it's a gun or not. They just have to think it is.

Does anybody else think these laws were not really written with the public in mind?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:54 | 5123403 cougar_w
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Law? You think law covers any of this? Fuck no -- it's whatever they want it to be. All the violent cunt has to do is say "I thought it was a weapon" and everyone is all oh that's fine then.

They've gotten away with this little game of theirs long enough. Time for some sanity to prevail.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:08 | 5123481 loonyleft
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You're preaching to the choir, but it is law. The laws for police have become more and more open to interpretation giving them much more leeway to shoot and kill without consequence.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:13 | 5123505 cougar_w
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Police really do not have any more right to kill people than you or I do, they just manage to get away with it more often. Not every time, mind you, but often enough. It's not a law, more like guidelines. But it becomes law when there are no community standards.

Everything is that way. Fight for your right to live, or someone will come along and kill you for no reason anyone can determine.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:54 | 5123720 Raynja
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There is very little grey area on interpretation, the grey area resides in enforcement and execution (too soon?)

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:12 | 5123496 db51
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oh....and maybe you should add Don't take a steak knife to an officer of the law yelling Shoot Me.  

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:31 | 5123271 CH1
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Agree with you, Cougar, except for this: These cops have no effective training

The problem is that they have too much training... training in military kill tactics.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:33 | 5123283 cougar_w
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Won't argue your point, but I did use effective in the context of police work, which is what we are supposed to be talking about here am I right?

Police work and army street-fighting are about 180 degress out from each other.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:36 | 5123306 Toxicosis
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Police work and army street-fighting are about 180 degress out from each other.


Not according to their standards.  We all have to remember cops are NOT people to.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:45 | 5123357 cougar_w
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Stop that. When you talk like that they win. No excuses -- they either do their job as it is legally and ethically defined or they mow lawns.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:58 | 5123429 Toxicosis
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Mine is really growing right now.  I do hope officer unfriendly can do a great job and cut it real low.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:34 | 5123297 realWhiteNight123129
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Well I bet a guy coming back from the military would be a much more effective cop. Knowing the difference between a guy who would surrender quickly with a shot in the leg and a real dangerous mafia thug.

This one is kid with a knife shop lifting, ok he deserves some punishement, but 12 shoots. How about be-heading for a shop-lifting offence.

How about be-heading little actress bitchez in California doing shop lifting? Those girls get only community service. The kiddo was stupid to pull a knife and say shoot me. He did not believe those idiot cops would do it.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:14 | 5123513 db51
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That beheading would be a great deterrent for someone contemplating shoplifting.  

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 09:14 | 5124637 nostromo17
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Yes capital punishment for shoplifting makes a lot of sense...oy.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:16 | 5123522 IShoutLOUDER
Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:49 | 5123370 90's Child
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Cougar your clearly ignorant as fuck.

I've been following this for a while and a co worker that I work with was ex police in the Bay Area and been getting his feed back on the situation sense he was ex law enforcement.

Cops are trained to handle every situation to the best of their ability.

I'm not justifying either side but it some one at close range has a knife it is more deadly than a gun if the officer isn't drawn.

Their are two sides to every situation. If a man approached you with a knife and you were armed and drew and he charged you, you'd put him down no matter how many rounds it took and I'm sure everyone on this site feels the same way.

12 rounds is excessive but every officer has a right to come home and they trained to kill. Same as if you were to shoot some one in self defense it's only justifiable if you truly felt your life was in danger or some one else's.

Everyone has seen the videos of people getting tazed by cops and yet they keep on fighting back.

Why take the risk of losing your life because you didn't use enough force.

Consider taking a CC class. They teach you if you have to shoot some one in self defense SHOOT TO KILL.

Man charges cop with knife. Cop puts him down. Completely justifiable.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:54 | 5123406 NemoDeNovo
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Your Ignorance is mindnumbing and I am being polite in saying that.


And before you start your bullshit retort, I have spent more then my fair share of time in the Sandbox during the Gulf War, so save the crap for a true civilian and not this Quiet Professional


De Opressor Liber

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:03 | 5123454 90's Child
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The officers drew their weapons and ordered the man to stop. He did stop, but then pulled out a knife and came at the officers with it held up hight, Dotson said. They ordered him to stop and drop the knife. When he got within two or three feet of the officers, they fired, killing the man.

Two - three feet.

Obviously that's close enough distance to be considered deadly. When you go off eye witness accounts VS a bad angle camera shot there is a world of difference and you're nothing more than the rest of the speculators on the MSM and Social media.

Please contiune to validiate the point being made that it was jusiftiable deadly force. 

Serfs up bitches. 


Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:16 | 5123521 NemoDeNovo
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So then the 'officers' were dumbasses to roll up that close with no romm to create space if they needed it?  Real professionals.  lulz

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:22 | 5123554 90's Child
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Lol how you didn't die in the gulf with your metallity is astonishing. 

GWS must be taking a toll on your intelligence. Consider fileing a lawsuit.



Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:03 | 5123758 Raynja
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why'd they shoot him while he was on the ground?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:59 | 5123913 SgtShaftoe
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Um, dumbshit, It appears you're talking shit to a SF ninja (U.S. Army Special Forces for the really fucking dense).  Shut the fuck up before you embarass yourself; well too late for that, but still, shut the fuck up little bitch. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:22 | 5123551 Andre
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Tasers. If he got that close it is because they wanted him that close.

Which, considering the range scores of some officers, may have been a good idea.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:23 | 5123559 loonyleft
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watch the video again. There is no perspective issue, it is plain as day. The guy was at least 8 feet away and 'rolled' to within 2- 3 feet after being shot and was kind of dead by then. 

There was no charging either. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:24 | 5123563 cougar_w
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I've decided you are psychotic and I'm not going to allow you to pollute my mind with your degenerate blather.

And I meant what I said about a hail of gunfire. Choose wisely.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:29 | 5123595 90's Child
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Lol that's because your weak mind can't rebuttle a valid point when it debases your arguement and belief.

Please go back to the kitchen and speculate about your duties there.



Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:08 | 5123778 cougar_w
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Fantasy much? I can help you there.

I'm a 6'2" 220# white male with a Master's Degree in Biology doing occasional construction work when I'm not launching technology start-ups, and if given a reason I could hit you so hard your brain would rattle around in your skull for a solid minute after.

While we're on the subject of kitchens I am indeed an excellent cook. Though I tend to take my steaks too rare, truth be said. Must be a cat thing.

Nothing personal but do go somewhere and die. Failing that, have a pleasant evening.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:29 | 5123859 90's Child
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Lol I'm sorry your life is apparently so dull you have to justify yourself with hollow threats from a keyboard. For if you say it on the internet then it must be true, I my self embezzled more money from people than you could imagine from stupid sheeple like yourself with the promise of Hopes and Dreams, more than anyone individual, Hence my display picture cause this is the internet so it must be true.

Go back to grazing you mindless sheeple. Your female menstruation is not warranted here.

You can talk all you want but this is fight club either show up or shut the fuck up.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 00:09 | 5123959 SgtShaftoe
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You sound like a little pussy.  Is that intentional, like a joke or something?

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 01:27 | 5124078 Tall Tom
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He is the reason why we are most deserving of our fate.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:14 | 5123510 Andre
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Come sit with me while I speak
of where I've never been,
doing things I never did,
and seeing things not seen.

Of course there were no orders,
there was no tiny band.
And since there were no orders
no one died at my command.

I never shot at anyone,
no one shot at me.
My bullet scars were accidents
as you can plainly see.


I never had to hide in fear
as forces searched for me.
I never wondered if I'd live.
There was no enemy.

The parting orders never said
that I could never talk
of whether I was posing,
or if I'd walked the walk.

When others ask me if I've served
I say "Hell no, that's dumb"
As I sip my drink and ponder
the reasons I keep mum.

And so I sit and speak to you
of where I've never been,
doing things I never did,
and seeing things not seen.


A little ragged, but it gets the idea across.

Take care of yourself


Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:14 | 5123517 TheMeatTrapper
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Then you need to get your ass out there on the fucking street and handle these niggers "properly" - like a quiet professional should.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:55 | 5123412 loonyleft
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I'm not justifying either side but it some one at close range has a knife it is more deadly than a gun if the officer isn't drawn..... he says as his example was not close to what happened. 

There were 2 officers both had their revolvers DRAWN. Your bias betrays your 'unbiased' opinion. Ex cop says they have a right to do this, are trained to do this, why take the risk on tazing them? 

I watched the video and I didn't see any charging. I did see him walking in a slight angle towards the officer on the left with his arms at his side. Maybe your bias makes you say 'charging'

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:08 | 5123476 90's Child
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Learn to read the stories dipshit. You're probably one of those stupid fucks that assume video footage is the law, when you have numerous witnesses making statements that he was within lethal distance to kill.

But please feel free to speculate.


Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:13 | 5123501 loonyleft
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just saying what I saw. Nobody said he wasn't in lethal distance to kill, but he was no maniacal killer hell bent on bagging a cop rushing at them with a knife out.

I am all too aware that the situation fully allows the police to open fire and kill with impunity due to these 'rules' .

I also see the manical charging knife weilding psycho walked past other people without stabbing them and they without shooting him. 

I am sorry you can't see that there were other ways to deal with this situation. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:15 | 5123519 90's Child
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Please loony quit speculating and tell me how you would have handled that situation differently with a better outcome for both you and everyone else.

I await your response but I highly doubt, you can.

Again with the specualtion. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:34 | 5123628 loonyleft
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well, let's see. They guy in the store managed to avoid being stabbed and avoid killing the guy. A few spectators also miraculously managed to not be stabbed as well. 

I believe the person actually taking the video also managed to not be stabbed. 

So it really looks to me like the guy wasn't in a stabbing mood. In fact, EVERYONE else was in a not dead not injured status before the police showed up. 

What I would not have done is come driving up on the sidewalk, blocking his path and then scream and scream and scream and then when he moved (NOT CHARGED, but moved) towards me I would move back and talk him down. 

Of course, you are right I am not trained so how about this..



Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:41 | 5123657 90's Child
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Again, clearly he was trying to be shot. Obviously he stole to get the cops called hence staying there waiting for the cops and only stealing two drinks, Obviously he told the cops to shoot him. Obviously he approached the cops and they have every right to fire.

Again your intelligence is lacking.

Try again.


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