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US Attempted To Rescue James Foley, Other ISIS Hostages, Failed Because "Hostages Were Not Present"

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If there was one thing the Obama administration did not need as it is careening from one international crisis to another, was compounding comparisons to the Carter administration and its botched attempt to rescue US hostages in 1980 Iran also known as Operation Eagle Claw. Well, as of moments ago, that comparison is now in play following what the Pentagon just revealed was a botched attempt to recue a number of American hostages held by ISIS, "early this summer." The reason why the mission failed: "tho hostages were not there." Why? "We don’t know. And that’s the truth. When we got there, they weren’t there. We don’t know why that is. 

From the spokesperson for the State Department Marie Harf:

The United States attempted a rescue operation recently to free a number of American hostages held in Syria by ISIL. This operation involved air and ground components and was focused on a particular captor network within ISIL. Unfortunately, the mission was not successful because the hostages were not present at the targeted location. We put the best of the United States military in harms way to try and bring our citizens home.

And from ABC:

U.S. special operations forces early this summer launched a secret, major rescue operation in Syria to save James Foley and a number of Americans held by the extremist group ISIS, but the mission failed because the hostages weren’t there, senior administration officials told ABC News today.

 

President Obama authorized the “substantial and complex” rescue operation after the officials said a “broad collection of intelligence” led the U.S. to believe the hostages were being held in a specific location in the embattled Middle Eastern nation.

 

When “several dozen” U.S. special operation members landed in Syria, however, they were met with gunfire and “while on site, it became apparent the hostages were not there,” one of the officials said. The special operators engaged in a firefight in which ISIS suffered “a good number” casualties, the official said, while the American forces suffered only a single minor injury.

 

The American forces were able to get back on helicopters and escape.

 

“Intelligence is not a perfect science,” the senior official said. As to how the intelligence failed and why the hostages were not there, the official said, “The truth is, we don’t know. And that’s the truth. When we got there, they weren’t there. We don’t know why that is.”

 

Much about the daring mission itself remains a secret -- officials said they did not want to reveal too much about the rescue attempt for fear of spoiling future efforts.

 

“It was conducted, but was not ultimately successful,” a senior U.S. official told ABC News.

 

The operation was what senior government officials described as a major undertaking -- involving special operations forces from multiple branches of the military, helicopters, fixed-wing airplanes, and surveillance aircraft.

One can see why the US tried to keep this mission secret, unless of course it was all fabricated overnight.

In other words, we tried to rescue some folks... from the other folks we gave weapons and training to for the past two years, the same folks we are also now trying to kill.

 

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Wed, 08/20/2014 - 18:55 | 5122553 James_Cole
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botched attempt to rescue US hostages in 1980 Iran also known as Operation Eagle Claw. Well, as of moments ago, that comparison is now in play following what the Pentagon just revealed was a botched attempt to recue a number of American hostages held by ISIS, "early this summer."

Just give ISIS a bunch more weapons, worked for Reagan. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 18:59 | 5122574 gmrpeabody
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None of this shocks me anymore....

why is that?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:00 | 5122587 Cognitive Dissonance
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The desensitizing of America is proceeding according to plan.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:03 | 5122601 Richard Chesler
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Fore!!!

 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:06 | 5122611 negative rates
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Even I could tell that he was a comin.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:31 | 5122721 All_Your_Base
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Durdenian-slip: "botched attempt to recue a number of American hostages..."

re-cue? Maybe. At this point I do not know what to believe...going with botched attempt to spell rescue.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:34 | 5122738 GeorgeWKush
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Am I the only one annoyed by people referring to the Islamic State as the "Islamic state group"? As if they were a bunch of fly by night warriors. The time has come to acknowledge that IS actually is a sovereign state with vast lands and millions of citizens under their control.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:45 | 5122803 nmewn
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An Islamic-statist, justifying violent conquest, how entertaining.

So, when "other warriors" come in and incinerate and/or decapitate them, will you run crying like a baby and hide behind the skirt of Mommy UN or Auntie Hague?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:53 | 5122828 GeorgeWKush
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What the fuck is this? Acknowledging what is happening on the ground has nothing to do with my feelings about the gruesome methods IS uses to promote their ridiculous case.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:26 | 5122976 MacGruber
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Funny how this is Obama's fault considering he probably was the furthest from the tactical intel and recovery mission. If anything this is a CIA/pentagon failure. At least it's a comparison with Carter and not with the patently illegal actions of Reagan's arms for hostages deal.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:04 | 5123119 Escrava Isaura
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MacGruber,

The way I read this was NOT a military failure. To the contrary.

This was an intelligence failure.

By the way, I don't think the article said anything about CIA. Did it?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:11 | 5123145 old naughty
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were the "hosts" present then?

Were they captured for leverage ?

Botched (eh, killed) just for show !

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:20 | 5123190 Escrava Isaura
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old naughty,

I am sorry, but having trouble understanding you. Especially with “hosts”.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:10 | 5123484 old naughty
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sorry, didn't mean to upset you...

hostages held by "hosts", no?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:50 | 5123705 earnyermoney
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I read the other way, Military Failure and an Intelligence success.

CIA tipped off their muppets thus the movement of the hostages as the raid was getting under way.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 00:19 | 5123974 Urban Roman
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Not CIA. From now on, it will be CIF -- F is for 'folks'.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:30 | 5123606 Aussie V
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As I understand it officially, Obama is not to blamed for anything for the past 7 years.

Isn't that right?

 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 23:44 | 5123900 Joenobody12
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Well you know, there is lead in the water and its ingestion tends to lower ones IQ.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:31 | 5123609 Aussie V
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Double Post. But I am right arn't I?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:32 | 5122995 nmewn
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(Slipping on my statist hat)...so why exactly would you want IS acknowledged as a sovereign country?

So they can be killed "legally"?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:38 | 5123020 bitterwolf
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lol ,no silly, so we can negotiate legally from a position of weakness.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:59 | 5123104 666
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The military probably got their information from the NSA. Y'know, the same NSA that has a perfect record of not knowing about any terroristic threats in the USSA, not pegging the Boston Bombers as potential miscreants, and spending their $50B funding on creating a Star Trek styled command center/office.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:03 | 5123117 nmewn
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lol...there was no way I could make..."The time has come to acknowledge that IS actually is a sovereign state with vast lands and millions of citizens under their control."...my brain comprehend anything other than what he stated.

But of course, we live outside the world where what is stated doesn't really matter, they live within it ;-)

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:12 | 5123118 GeorgeWKush
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Because many, if not all of the criterias that needs to be met in order to define a sovereign state is present. Vast land firmly under their control, a vast permanent population (Ar-Raqqah has over 300 000 inhabitants and Mosul well over a million), a well organized leadership in addition to apparently well organized finances including assets in the billion$ class.

One can argue it is more of an army with a state than a state with an army, and the civil society could have been better tended for. It does not have the trademarks of a modern state and reminds me very much of a classic medieval feudal state, though, that is no reason not to acknowledge the existence of a state as it is what most states looked like of thousands of years.

The UN with friends will pobably continue to refuse that there is a new state of the block and IS will remain a de facto state without international recognition, even if IS was to capture Damascus, but a good zerohedger doesn't let the UN and US foreign secretary dictate its assumption of reality.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:13 | 5123161 bitterwolf
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you what the sick irony is....IF IS can successfully provide services to it "citizens" the "state" can meet the definition of NOT A FAILED STATE ie. somalia,,,crazy

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 22:20 | 5123544 nmewn
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Just as I suspected, thanks for being honest about it anyways...slipping on my statist hat again...

A sovereign state in a community of like-minded states (my friend) does not terrorize its own populace and it certainly does not behead them for not converting to the states religious doctrine. This would be the world as we know it now and sovereign states as we know them.

It is why there is upheavel in "these states" here, we do not like green eggs & ham. We do not like the NSA in our house, posing as a mouse. We do not like living in a box, even with a fox, like you...maybe you should read more and speak less.

Kinda like what you're proposing for the victims of ISIS to do.

Just grin and bear it.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:27 | 5123242 logicalman
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Legally, yes.

There's a huge difference between 'legal' and 'lawful'

You can only lawfully kill someone who is trying to kill you. Personally.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:59 | 5123427 123dobryden
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you basicaly correct,    

but e.g. gruesome methods were born at that region with Assyrians, so far i didnt see any torture, just killing enemies or enemies soldiers what basicaly is a game played in every conflict in every country /wait for your particular country to see that your own eyes with the currency collapse/

their cause is as ridiculous to you, as cause of your government is to them

beheading, they killed the hostage after they were attacked by hostage's government forces

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:59 | 5123428 123dobryden
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you basicaly correct,    

but e.g. gruesome methods were born at that region with Assyrians, so far i didnt see any torture, just killing enemies or enemies soldiers what basicaly is a game played in every conflict in every country /wait for your particular country to see that your own eyes with the currency collapse/

their cause is as ridiculous to you, as cause of your government is to them

beheading, they killed the hostage after they were attacked by hostage's government forces

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:27 | 5122699 LasVegasDave
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The average hostage will save over $2500 under my hostage rescue plan

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:47 | 5122811 nmewn
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lol...if you like your hostage rescue plan, you can keep it!

Period ;-)

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:53 | 5122879 A Nanny Moose
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Now that's some funny shit right thar!

If you like your head, you can keep your current one.

This of course, from the very same people who want us to believe that they killed 0'Bama Bin Laden, and buried him at sea out of respect.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:19 | 5122939 Winston Churchill
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Just hope your deductable is removed with a very sharp scimitar.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:40 | 5123029 A Nanny Moose
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Deductible envy.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:34 | 5123005 bitterwolf
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major underwriting provided by MF Global

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:41 | 5123037 A Nanny Moose
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...aaaaand it's gone!!!

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:09 | 5122897 Cabreado
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CD, I don't agree...

There are two sides of the "desensitize" coin, and the plan/wish neglected communication-on-a-grand-scale.

Comparing Notes, essentially, is the most powerful force in this equation.

The planners/wishers' "plan" has already been derailed... and so, acts of desperation rule the day, already...

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:33 | 5122938 Cognitive Dissonance
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Not sure if 'they' are even approaching desperate yet....though many of the lower control tiers certainly appear to be.

What I see on a daily basis are emotions running high in the alternative media as well as the mainstream media. Comment sections of all the blogs and news outlets I visit are nearing hysterical levels. People are on edge and in some cases losing their heads....or at least their wits.

Tensions are high and we appear to be balanced on the razor's edge. I say 'appear' because I saw it much worse decades ago and know how much further down the bunny hole this mess can go before people really do begin to snap. "They" never have full control nor do they need full control. When dealing with a population so conditioned and polarized as "We the People" are, it is actually to 'their' advantage to poke a stick in the cage from time to time and work the blood up to a full boil.

If I were the puppet master I would much prefer the puppets fight among themselves than rally against me. And by puppets I am also talking about the lower control tier such as police, state troopers, national guard etc etc. Ferguson could have been defused long ago. So why is it being inflamed?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:33 | 5122998 Cabreado
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"I saw it much worse decades ago and know how much further down the bunny hole this mess can go before people really do begin to snap."

Decades ago there was much more headroom to absorb snapping people... and the points of control were not in the state of chaos that they are now.

"If I were the puppet master..."

If you were the puppet master, you'd be quite concerned about your exposure, and distraught at your failing expectations.

"People are on edge..."

And as we go... all points of control (and "plans" and wishes) are quite aware.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:05 | 5123120 Cognitive Dissonance
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I respect your opinion and don't necessarily disagree with any of your specific points. But when seen from a distance with the help of perspective and a sense, and the memory, of history it doesn't 'feel' that bad...yet.

I remember Kent State quite well. Now there was a time when the entire country was on edge and already racked by division and strife. You say there was more head room back then to absorb people snapping. I remember it differently. Many were expecting civil war.....just as some people are expecting civil war today. BTW the economy was not doing well and inflation was higher, much higher then it is today. Unemployment was a real problem and there was not the social/financial safety net we have in place today.

There was a significant national response to the shootings: hundreds of
universities, colleges, and high schools closed throughout the United
States due to a student strike of four million students,[9] and the event further affected public opinion—at an already socially contentious time—over the role of the United States in the Vietnam War.[10]

 

BTW where are the righteously indignant students of today? Oh, that's right, living off their student loans and dependent upon The State.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:31 | 5123264 bitterwolf
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I would prefer a American-negro-LEO-99% some kind goddamn "spring" for a black swan trigger for the next evolution- than this mushroom cloud over an American city Obummster said was worried about a few months back(15 yr meme now...) or 12 city complex simultaneous VBIED attack blamed on ISIS "agents"...

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:14 | 5123164 Eahudimac
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You are correct. The puppet masters have no reason to be worried. Let's face it, most of us on ZH get it, but the overwhelming majority do not. As you frequently state, people are programmed. Their concept of a banker is the teller behind the counter where they go to cash their check. Tensions are high because people are being played against each other and cannot grasp the scope and contro of their oppressors. They don't even know how they are oppressed. The police are a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself. Government and bankers. Until people understand that they can live without them, they will continue to be ruled by them. 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 17:13 | 5126878 forensicator
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"The desensitizing of America is proceeding according to plan."

 

Overton Window in play

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:21 | 5122672 QQQBall
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The "Tee-Ball White House" - we tried. so give us a trophy

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:37 | 5122758 angel_of_joy
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Rejoice ! The good old days of Carter ineptitude are back ! Next movie: embassy hostages... wait, we had that already in Benghazi ! But this time it will be different, I'm sure. Because Obama...

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:30 | 5122915 BobPaulson
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I don't buy the "Carter is a terrible guy" narrative. People hated him because he didn't want to kick the can on energy and debt and because his brother was a bum. He was and is a very compassionate person and people may have preferred somebody who sounded like a tough guy but made back room deals with the hostage takers at the same time (which is what they got). What followed him was a decade of massive debt ballooning. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:36 | 5123008 Winston Churchill
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Well Obozo is certainly making Carter look like a very good president right about now.

I, for one, would swap them in  a heart beat.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:16 | 5122649 Hugh G Rection
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Simon Elliot..uhh, I mean Abu bogeyman al-Bahdadi has Netanyahu on speed dial.

 

I'm sure Herzilya gives their terrorists playing dress up ample warning.

http://zionismsucks.com/2014/08/06/isis-a-zionist-franchise/

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:43 | 5123046 john39
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Emmanuel Goldstein raising a new army, al-cia-duh 2.0, to really get WWIII going in earnest...

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:57 | 5123096 LasVegasDave
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Interesting...

You mean that Israel, and its Mossad, arent boy scouts?

They actually look out for their own interests?

and have (gasp) intelligence agencies?

Lets see the photoshopped images of the Israeli weapons and the diploma baba al fuckwaddi got from the Mossad, Herr Goebbels

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:22 | 5122677 QQQBall
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No (more) boots on the ground in Syria.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:58 | 5122855 Remington IV
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<b> Meanwhile , back on the golf courses of Martha's Vineyard

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:23 | 5122956 Shad_ow
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Downed aircraft with Seal team because mission was exposed and now the hostages are not present when recue is atempted.  Funny.  How does the info leak out?  One might think those in power are not seriously committed to our side.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:14 | 5123168 max2205
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Why did they admit that now? 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:26 | 5122974 villainvomit
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Create and fund an organization to help you antagonize an enemy and when it is convenient, change the name of the funded organization and wallah, you now have a new terrorist organization that has brought terror to our shores.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:50 | 5123075 Bloppy
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Just watching the beheading video is a crime in the UK:

http://tinyurl.com/njt4zsh


Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:28 | 5123243 JuliaS
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Maybe we should've kept Seal Team 6 around.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:40 | 5123326 bitterwolf
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yeah, what we really need is another GEN. S.Butler instead of sycophants and sell outs....

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:29 | 5123244 JuliaS
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Or maybe we should've pretended the hostages were rescued, but then on the way back slipped on the deck and went into the ocean, like Osama.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 18:56 | 5122557 Cognitive Dissonance
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Very confused here. Is the USA attempting to show it's (continuing) incompetence at rescue operations or just the lack of good behind enemy lines intelligence?

Either way they should have called the NSA if they wanted to know where the hostages were.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 18:59 | 5122580 gmrpeabody
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My guess would be that Isis recieved a phone call from the white house just before the troops arrived...

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:17 | 5122664 Harbanger
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For once Obama is afraid of something.  They lost control of the radical muzzies, ISIS would decapitate Barry and all his homo followers first chance they get.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:03 | 5122881 TeamDepends
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Good call. So the rescue was botched, was it? Only a fool believes anything coming out of the White House/MSM. There is no doubt there are ISIS psychos in the US now. If they attack malls as per the rumor, it is over for Val and the pResident. There be no bouncing back from that.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:15 | 5122927 BobPaulson
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I am not the least bit afraid of ISIS running around in shopping malls. Could they kill innocents more effectively than is currently being handled but nutjob shooters and crazy cops?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:22 | 5122955 Boomberg
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...and Cinnabon stores. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:29 | 5122989 BobPaulson
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Hahaha, too funny. Delayed time bombs that not only cause death, but cause huge social harm. I was on a flight to SanFrancisco last week and this guy beside me literally couldn't fit in his chair. It was physically necessary for him to overflow into my seat over and under the armrest. Long flight.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:11 | 5122632 suteibu
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But they also said earlier this summer that they had no intel on ISIS, that Obama first heard about them while reading the NY Times. 

So, either they either they lied when they said they did not know about ISIS or they are lying now when they said they tried to rescue Foley.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:03 | 5122873 Remington IV
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Obama never LIES ... oh , wait  a  second .....

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:14 | 5122646 Harbanger
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They should have called the NSA? are you fucking kidding.  Where's the lost information on Obamas IRS scandal or the deleted emails from Lerner that the NSA can't seem to track. Or where was Obama when Americans were pleading for their life in Benghazi. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:24 | 5122686 Cognitive Dissonance
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Sorry. Forgot the /sarc tag.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:27 | 5122696 Harbanger
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Fuck you and your sarc.  You know what?  Anything I say that you disagree with, was a sarc.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:06 | 5122890 A Nanny Moose
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Still trying to get the piss+ "Whole Grain" Cheerios out of your mouth this morning, I see.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:20 | 5123195 Harbanger
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Yeah good point, you got me.  You get the star.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:36 | 5122754 fleur de lis
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The NSA is too busy with critical national security issues like watching all of us and listening to all our telephone conversations. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:39 | 5122770 wisefool
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I am pretty sure I.R.S workers have higher security clearances than NSA dorks. During both democratic and republican administrations.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:46 | 5122806 Kirk2NCC1701
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They should've relied no decent intel from our "Best Friend and Ally" in the whole wide world, I guess.

What... didn't BB take the call, or didn't O make it?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 18:56 | 5122558 nosoeawe
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Hope and change dressed up as a shit sandwich brought to you by the big-eared-bozo-in-chief

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:13 | 5122919 SDShack
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I've said it from day 1 of 0zer0's presidency.... "Hope & Change" was nothing but "Hoax & Chains". Every day since has proven it over and over and over.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 18:57 | 5122567 Devotional
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use Bush as bait.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:04 | 5122600 BurningFuld
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Won't work. Everyone will cheer as they cut his head off.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:17 | 5122660 Rakshas
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........and deprive the world of his wonderful finger paintings

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:08 | 5122899 A Nanny Moose
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Dammit Jim! I'm a finger painter, not a president!

What they aren't telling us is that he still eats paste after Show-n-tell.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 18:58 | 5122572 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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They didn't try to do shit, this is just damage control over that ABC report.

 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:00 | 5122578 SHEEPFUKKER
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The U.S. is very good at killing.....not so much with rescuing. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:37 | 5122764 logicalman
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Rescuing requires precision.

Killing, not so much.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:13 | 5122916 A Nanny Moose
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The State is very good at killing.....not so much with rescuing.

 

FIFY. Be precise in your language, Chief. What is the "U.S."? Does that even still exist?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:21 | 5122954 BobPaulson
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The US is good at killing, and to it's credit, not as good as covering it up as places like China (world leader in capital punishment), Russia and other competitors attempting for superpower status. (calm down if you are about to flame me, I'm not saying their killing is good).

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:58 | 5123100 A Nanny Moose
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LOL no flame at all. Just a couple questions.

A) Do you want to live in a place where "cover-ups" are viewed as superlative and desirable skillz?

B) Shit...I forgot the next question. I will get back to you after my next drink

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 18:59 | 5122579 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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In other words, we tried to rescue some folks... from the other folks we gave weapons and training to for the past two years (through Benghazi either directly or indirectly), the same folks we are also now trying to kill.


Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:03 | 5122835 Kirk2NCC1701
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Yo, 'Bama... next time call 1-CAL-LMO-SSAD (1-225-566-7723)* or 1-800-0FU-CKUP*

Tell 'em BB sent you.

* Claim Dibs, bitchez. (c)2014, Kirk2NCC1701

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:01 | 5122590 williambanzai7
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We are all folked now...right OfficerGoFolkYourself?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:12 | 5122634 negative rates
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At the very end of time their is a guy who reminds you of all the trash you littered in the past. It's his job to clean it up, and it comes with the consequences of such behavior, he doesn't mind doing it, as long as you are included in the clean up, for in the end he knows he will win, and you will lose. Adventure boy is his name, and clean up is his game. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:36 | 5122745 Harbanger
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Billy.  You fucked up with rushing to judgement with the Ferguson incident and posted "art" that was out of order.  What can I say, I call it like it is, if you don't like the truth, you can fuck yourself too.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:49 | 5122817 Harbanger
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Challenge me Billy, Mind to Mind, Man to Man, so we can show the World how smart you is.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:01 | 5122867 Harbanger
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I'm not saying it was you Billy, there's more than one, but what kind of faggot does it take to downvote a challenge of wit on ZH?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:07 | 5122893 logicalman
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You seem to have an ego problem.

 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:17 | 5122930 Quus Ant
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"The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."  -Bertrand Russell

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 01:43 | 5124092 LibertarianMenace
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Russell had it bass ackwards. It's just that the cocksure(typically educated) are stupid.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:25 | 5122944 Harbanger
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Cheer up mate, the ego is an illusion.   I'm sure you've grown in wisdom as your personal ego was challenged by people posting here on ZH.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:43 | 5123043 Winston Churchill
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You seem to have a spelling problem.

You missed out the n and the r in your comment.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:00 | 5123113 Harbanger
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Anal retentiveness happens to be another symptom of this mental disorder that afflicts us.  What do you disagree with specifically?  Dont be afraid, I don't bite, I may blow your mind but you'll recover.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:43 | 5123352 blackbeardz
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Harb why so anger? You lookn for a huckleberry?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:02 | 5122871 JohnG
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Who pissed in your wheaties asswipe?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:08 | 5122900 Harbanger
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Disagreement is a problem for you? What is this thing you expect everyone to agree on?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:14 | 5122921 logicalman
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Many would agree that you are acting like a dickhead.

Notice I said 'acting' - maybe you are just having a bad day. We all do.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:19 | 5122948 A Nanny Moose
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Perhaps there are better ways of stating your disagreement, than Ad Hom?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:58 | 5123094 bitterwolf
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yes..only if properly equipped.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:09 | 5123144 Harbanger
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Why would I need a better way of stating what is obviously true.  If it were false I would be challenged and they would win the argument.   I'm not here to sell you or anyone anything, that's for wormwood, he's the salesman.  I'm seperating the shit from the good amongst people so that it's clear.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:35 | 5123302 logicalman
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I'm not going to continue commenting on the ramblings of an imbecile.

Have a nice life, Harb, but please stop wasting people's time.

 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:01 | 5123107 wisefool
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It is not WB7s first night at fight club. Far from it, so he does not have to fight. It does sound like it might be yours though.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:41 | 5123335 wisefool
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getting huffy because somebody downvoted me without a couterargument. /sarc

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:03 | 5122593 homiegot
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The president who tried...

 

...but played gold a lot.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:04 | 5122605 BurningFuld
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golf?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:01 | 5122594 Conax
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Much like our domestic swat teams, I guess they went to the wrong address.

*Derp*

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:03 | 5122596 B2u
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What difference does it make?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:07 | 5122613 kowalli
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Isis > USA special forces...

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:15 | 5122928 conscious being
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USA / MOSSAD Arab Foreign Legion.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:05 | 5122606 nmewn
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"We landed them in the desert, right where the tents were supposed to be. But they weren't there. So, after many long hours on the golf course in deep meditation, I decided to trade five confirmed killers for an army deserter."

Fore-Ward!

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:20 | 5122616 tony wilson
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sorry did not read the above was it gripping any good

did it make any sense.

i beleive foley has been kidnapped 2 or 3 times before kind of weird

i do not know if his death was real or synthetic.

interviews with an american best friend and an english best  friend sounded un real and sandy hoax fake

it is taking up loads of msm time so my guess is synthetic

 

i here the seals nearly captured bin ladin in the tora bora mountains rumsfeld said bin ladin had under ground cities in the tora bora straight out of a james bond movie

 

did the report above mention the kurds stealing iraqs oil and selling it to israel and turkey or the field hospitals and isis training camps in both countries

whos news

 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:37 | 5122763 RECISION
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Sounding more and more like Foley was an agent.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:08 | 5122898 Stumpy4516
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The story of his execution, his actions and demeanor just prior all make it seem like another faked story and psyopp.

Obama and the UK are getting mileage out of the story. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:08 | 5122621 btdt
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if we had only passed gun control laws with embedded GPS and fingperprint trigger locks, the guns could have been traced from to Mr.Clean to Tel Aviv to Benghazi to Syria to ISIS.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:11 | 5122624 Son of Captain Nemo
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"US Attempted To Rescue James Foley, Other ISIS Hostages, Failed Because "Hostages Were Not Present"...

And after everything else they've already used -why the hell not try this "tall one" on for size?...

I think it would strike a perfect balance if we had a "State of the Union" from Martha's Vinyard with the President (complete with golf shoes) strolling onto a set with the Presidential Seal and Ol' Glory behind him complete with a "boston rocker" giving us the details of the "rescue attempt" from a very large "story book" that he will rest on his lap!...

And when he's finished Mark Knoller will raise his hand and ask President Lance Link to tell us the best story of all... "The killing of Osama bin Laden"!

Got my milk and cookies at the ready!!!

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:10 | 5122626 kchrisc
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In this post Sandy Hoax, Boston Boom, MH-17 and the phantom Russian convoy world, how do we even know that this even happened?!

An American, not US subject.

 

"I'm Gene Rosen not an actor."

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:13 | 5122629 falak pema
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The French rescued two journalists captured along with Foley. By paying a ransom. We don't know the official amount and ransom payment is officially denied but commonly admitted in knowledgeable circles.

Both french journalists testified that Foley was a great and brave guy who took more punishment in capture when the ISIS found out his brother was a US air force pilot.

But he never complained and was always supportive of his other prisoner companions all through those long months. "He didn't have much luck. He was twice captured; the first time by Q-daffy's men. But he was a true professional he kept doing his job". They said of him.

Very moving testimony. 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:17 | 5122657 nmewn
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Yeah, they've always been big on that ransom thingy, through time immemorial. The west (usually) calls that kidnapping and define it as a crime.

Some people just don't think like us ;-)

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:45 | 5122800 logicalman
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In Europe, back in the days of Knights on horseback, the foot soldiers fought each other to protect the guys in charge.

At the end of the battle, usually, the knights of the losing side were captured for ransom, not killed.

Agincourt is interesting in this regard.

Henry V was nearly broke - couldn't pay a whole load of expensive knights. That's why there were so many archers there. The archers didn't know the rules of the game, so when they went into the muddy fields after the battle, instead of capturing the knights that were still alive, they finished 'em off. Kinda changed things on the battle field.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:29 | 5122715 tony wilson
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foley is real and a hero how about just a working camera guy

let me tell you something most of the crews in libya worked for the cia and mi6.

bbc gabriel gatehouse who was around when gadaffi was dug out of a drain is mi5.

gabriel gatehouse was 100 feet away from gadaffi when he was found what amazing british luck.

bentamin nuttyyahoo was a couple of hundred meters away from the london 7 7 bus bomb what are the chances.

the pixels flicker the man speaks with emotion just like on that tv drama show but it must be real cos it on der news.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:59 | 5123110 Winston Churchill
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Hardly a surprise if he was tony.Although mi6(mi5 is internal,not overseas) prefer travelling

businessmen with a real reason to be somewhere. Reporters are known to be drunks the same way

roofers are in Florida, so as a proffesion they are not first choice as spies, unless they were

spies first of course.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 21:47 | 5123373 tony wilson
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chatham house mi5  or mi6 whatever the name or number all rothschild zionists

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:34 | 5122742 Escrava Isaura
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"The mediocre discusses people. The common argue with the facts. Wise discusses issues"  

Chinese Proverb

 

falak pema,

Well done!

 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:13 | 5122644 world_debt_slave
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we can't even bring back our MIA POW's

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:13 | 5122645 Falling Down
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"If you like your failed rescue attempts, you can keep your failed rescue attempts"

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:18 | 5122654 Irishcyclist
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Todays Pentagon admission comes straight from the British playbook in Iraq circa 2004.

British Special Forces failed to rescue hostage Ken Bigley before he was beheaded by Sunni militants in 2004 in Iraq.

Remember Abu Musab al-Zarqawi? I hope Zarqawi is rotting in Hell.

 


Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:18 | 5122656 alexcojones
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Quote : "In other words, we tried to rescue some folks... from the other folks we gave weapons and training to for the past two years, the same folks we are also now trying to kill."

Brilliant. Fucking Brilliant

Fuck you, John MIC-Cain

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:17 | 5122659 Billy Shears
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Yes, this kind of propaganda (i.e. we TRIED but we FAILED) puts the next poor victims murder in perspective; I mean how can we pull out of Iraq now. And as another poster commented: FORE!

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:50 | 5122823 logicalman
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Quick, guys, put out a story.....

We can't look like total schmucks........

Hey, let's say we tried to rescue them, but failed.

Looks way better than 'we really didn't give a shit until it hit the 'news' or  'He's CIA'

 

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:19 | 5122665 thamnosma
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I want to have the narratives combined.  Have ISIS roll into Ferguson and dump a few symptomatic Ebola patients into the crowd.   Now how would CNN cover THAT?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:50 | 5122821 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

I want to have the narratives combined.  Have ISIS roll into Ferguson and dump a few symptomatic Ebola patients into the crowd.   Now how would CNN cover THAT?

Easy: Putin did it.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 20:44 | 5123049 Son of Captain Nemo
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From the "George Bush Center for Intelligence"...

Mr. TFS

May we use your idea at an undisclosed place and time of our own choosing?!!!

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:19 | 5122666 ThroxxOfVron
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It's alright, Barack; we tried and failed, too.

We tried to like you and failed.

We tried to trust you and failed.

We tried to give you the benefit of a doubt and failed.

We tried to overlook your failures and failed.

We tried to overcome your failed programs and policies and the economy failed.

We tried to ignore your hubris, condescension, arrogance and self-aggrandizement and failed.

We tried to ignore your blatant corruption, your barely hidden racism, and your subterfuge and lies and failed.

We get it.

You have taught us all some very important lessons about failure.

Thanks loads...

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:19 | 5122667 QQQBall
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Operation: "No One Home"

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:23 | 5122679 q99x2
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Looks like the president of Washington D.C. screwed up again eh?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:42 | 5122780 dobermangang
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It's the Obama Doctrine.  Obama Doctrine: Everything Obama and his administration does turns to toxic shit.

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:26 | 5122698 alexcojones
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ISIS Crisis actors Out Of Control-!

Snowden Sez Simon

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:29 | 5122711 walküre
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BREAKING THIS JUST IN: Barack Obama would really prefer to not be President anymore!

Seriously, what else are they holding over his head that he is not allowed to resign?

No way in hell does he like being where he's at in his life.

Who wants to run around town with a sign on his back that says "kick me harder"?

Obama is a glutten for punishment!

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:30 | 5122718 ramacers
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so disclosin' this (even if believable) will enhance chances of success next time , huh?

Wed, 08/20/2014 - 19:30 | 5122719 Platinum
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"Some folks... unfortunately, were deprived of the use of their heads for an indefinite period of time. But have no fear, I will not rest until I beat my personal best on holes 9 & 11. From there, I hope to get one of those neat jackets golf champions get, except I don't want to play any tournaments, I just want the jacket."

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