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Argentina Peso Collapses At Fastest Pace In 8 Months, Hits Record Low

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Since President Kirchner unleashed her 'cramdown' plan for Argentinian debt, the Peso has collapsed at the fastest pace since January's devaluation. The 'official' Peso prices has collapsed 1.3% in the last 2 day to 8.39 per USD - and Argentina's debt yields have surged (prices tumbled) but the black-market Blue-Dolar price has exploded to an all-time low at 13.8 per USD, implying massive devaluation is coming.

 

The official Peso rate just hit record lows and is accelerating rapidly...

 

The Dolar-Blue has imploded at 13.8 - record lows...

 

and bonds are starting to reflect devaluation fears...

 

Charts: Bloomberg

 

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Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:18 | 5125917 knukles
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'Bout time for a cheap holiday in BA.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:19 | 5125926 nope-1004
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Fed says "you won't play in our sandbox, then we export inflation to you."

It's either an economic policy of war, or military - take yer pick.

 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:30 | 5125971 Harbanger
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I don't understand why gold or silver are not serving as a hedge against a devaluing peso.  If you look @ the 30 day chart of the peso (ARS) in silver for example, silver is now actually cheaper in pesos, in gold it's basically at the same price. 

http://www.goldprice.org/

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:34 | 5125991 knukles
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Turn the chart upside down.  That'll make as much sense as anything else out there.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:46 | 5126066 Spine01
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The reason is that the people there just CAN NOT buy PMs at these prices. They are like the official dollar prices they are not real market prices, but artificial prices.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 15:09 | 5126170 Spine01
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Nobody seems to understan what is going on in Argentina and why they are making decisions apparently against their interests.  Well, it is really simple. Their current president was never supposed to be in charge of the Country, but her husband, who handled, the corrupt, the leftist and the mafia elements with a very hard hand, to the point of being considered a psychopath. When he died, all hell broke loose. Basically, the current government is formed by an unofficial tolerance between leftist elements that couldn't even hope to hold onto power for long without the mafia elements, and the extremely corrupt mafia side, close as always to trafficking.  

This unlikely partnership joins at the hip a revolutionary group that wants banksters and corrupt governments to self destroy with people that only want to be left alone and do their business as usual with no official interference. Their current Minister of Economy is a declared leftist, aligned with most of what zerohedge.com publishes and probaly an avid reader of its publications. Known by his classmates as an extremely smart guy.

What Elliott unwittingly did,is to provide the excuse the leftists needed to radicalize their positions even more. The last supply law sent to parliament places a wedge that will destroy private property. Thus effectively confronting the industrial, capitalistic side of society to the radical left. All the while drugs run rampant into and out of the Country. 

Elliott has been very useful to Cristina's followers. By the way, the new law was ezsentially copied from Venezuela's supply law. I think we all know how that ended up, dont we?

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 15:32 | 5126351 SafelyGraze
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if you *increase* your debt, you *decrease* the value of your currency unit as you print more of it

so if you *default* on your debt, you should *increase* the value of your currency because there will be less of it issued in payment of debt

so I find this argentina thing confusing

likewise the whole quantitative easing thing

it seems kinda opposite from what makes sense, from a treasury perspective

hugs,
jackloo

 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 15:06 | 5126187 seek
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This is really the key. There's an Argentinian survivalist (Ferfal) that talks about this on his blog, there are massive gaps between exchange rates for anythong on the street v. documented rates.

There's a reason that blue dollar chart above exists -- that's the street exchange rate v. the real exchange rate. The Argentinian government does everything it can to interfere with the exchanges, too. On August 5th they pulled the plug on the main bitcoin exchange service there, since that was starting to be an alternative.

We'd really need to see a "blue gold" number to make any kind of fair comparison, as you point out.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 15:13 | 5126226 fonzannoon
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anyone who buys their thongs on the street deserves whatever comes their way.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 15:27 | 5126303 seek
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Proofreading has never been my strong point.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 15:29 | 5126333 fonzannoon
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you know I am just fkin arond.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 15:57 | 5126364 Harbanger
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That's why a leftist Govt like they have in Argentina right now is even more dangerous than a central bank and it's devaluing fiat.  If the gov is hell bent on taking your money and property rights you're fucked even if you try to save yourself.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:34 | 5125992 fonzannoon
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That is a very interesting point. I can't actually remember a ZH article that showed a crashing latin american or whatever currency (against the usd of course) followed by a chart of gold going up in that country. Not once ever.

All I see are goffy jokes about the stock market in that country going up hundreds of percent....which is kinda what everyone there was hoping gold would have done for them....

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:42 | 5126027 Harbanger
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I never understood why the Argentinians hedge their currency in USD.  Looking at this chart it makes sense.  I still don't get it though, there's something I'm not seeing.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:44 | 5126054 fonzannoon
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I'd like to see a chart of gold in S.A Rand if anyone has it. Look at their currency and economy go tits up just the way we all pictured the U.S would (interest rate spikes etc) due to all the problems we complain about here....all because USD is drying up over there. You know Harbanger....if I was some rich bigshot American...I'd wait until it really crashes and come in and buy the fucking place.....I have a feeling they might take USD....

 

"JOHANNESBURG (Reuters) - South Africa's rand was largely unchanged against the U.S. dollar on Tuesday, recovering after four sessions of losses but still unable to shake off negative economic sentiment following a banking downgrade this week.

The effects of low growth, high unemployment and crippling labour unrest were highlighted by unsecured lender African Bank's collapse this month and rating's agency Moody's downgrade of South Africa's main commercial banks on Tuesday.

 

Government bonds followed the rand weaker. The yield on the paper due next year ticked-up 2.5 basis points to 6.6 percent, while yields on the longer-dated 2026 paper rose 3 basis points to 8.275 percent."

http://af.reuters.com/article/investingNews/idAFKBN0GL0L620140821

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 17:51 | 5127111 what's that smell
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when the money changers get paid, the value of the currency goes up.

when the money changers get screwed, the value of the currency goes down.

whatever.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 15:03 | 5126164 Kirk2NCC1701
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Fonz, I'd hate to admit it, but there really IS something to having your global currency backed by Oil plus Brute Force, as the US is doing.

We can all be sure that this can't/won't last, but 95% of us could also be poor or broke by betting against it too soon.  What's that adage about Mitigating Risk by Diversifying Assets, or "Don't bet against the Fed"?

If I do the latter -- and I do, alas -- then I need to do the former:  Diversify.  And you, what are you doing?

p.s. Friends, I got my Hushmail account cancelled by their webmaster, because I don't use it often enough (more than once per week).  Will have to find a more friendly alternative.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 16:54 | 5126742 jimmytorpedo
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I got bumped from hushmail too.

'unseen.is'   out of Iceland looks interesting

Anyone done some dd on them?

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 17:55 | 5127124 what's that smell
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Kirk2NCC1701

stupendous insights, dumbfuck.

you be sitting at the back of the bus........

selling the better-than-hushmail queer fanboy attack.

stupid.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:44 | 5127403 petux
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Kirk re Email Countermail have been good to me.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 15:05 | 5126172 holgerdanske
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Here you go:

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=XAU&to=ZAR&view=10Y

Ignore the bumps on the graph, draw a straight line, and Bob's your uncle.!

Nothing to be in doubt about longer term.

 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 15:12 | 5126219 fonzannoon
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Thanks for the chart. Funny it seems like gold has stalled out there since 2012. Should be interesting to see what it does from here as the shit hits the fan,

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 15:12 | 5126221 negative rates
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The Falklands war perhaps did it, was stuck there ever since.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:57 | 5126143 holgerdanske
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Ha ha, you are far too brainwashed to ask the right questions. It is not a questioin of Gold versus the Pesos, it is in essence a question og gold agains ANY fiat currency, and that includes the Dollar!

 

But apart from that, you are right, there is a strange disconnect. This is mainly caused by the availability of fiat gold. The availability of physical is about 1% of total. So when the times comes, 99 out of 100 will sit with toilet paper, but it won't even work for that purpose.

The paper gold is the broken wheel in the gold wagon. It is just amatter of time before it comes off. As long as it is still attached, "gold", 99% of it paper, will behave as a non redeemable currency and suffer the fate of all other currencies. The 1% is the key. That is physical gold in your possession.That is your lifeboat, and it will float when nothing else will.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 15:30 | 5126304 Harbanger
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I saw the chart you posted and also did the ten year in ARS and what you're saying makes sense.  Why do you think there isn't an immediate increase in gold/silver price in a particular currency, when for example, the peso say loses 15% of it's value against the USD?  I would have expected there be a 15% increase in PM price in that currency.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 16:09 | 5126544 holgerdanske
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I think in the case of the Peso, it depends on what exchange rate you use. The official rate is far removed from what you can get on the grey market.

 

The grey market rate might well have responded as you would expect, I think it would have/will, but somebody on here would know that currency much better than me.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:15 | 5127242 Gromit
Thu, 08/21/2014 - 17:01 | 5126801 Stormtrooper
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You said most of it but not all.  Dollar=Euro=Yen=Yuan=Bitcoin=all fiat currencies=inherent value=0

1 ounce gold in 1800= 200 pounds beef

1 ounce gold in2014=200 pounds beef

=Hedging!!

People have a difficult time wrapping their heads around the concept of money vs. government fiat.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:14 | 5127235 Gromit
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They can buy PMs they just prefer physical hundreds.

Also some Bitcoin aficianados.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:52 | 5126106 twh99
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Except it isn't the fed doing it, it's the market.  No one trusts Argentina. 

Once a deadbeat always a deadbeat.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:22 | 5125938 fonzannoon
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why a cheap holiday? ekm says thats not true. he said it's just digits in a computer. not real. Argentina is rejecting the dollar, thats why it's....crashing....against.....the dollar.....?  that means you are not real. so if you book a trip there now and it's cheaper that means you are snufalufugus.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:29 | 5125968 Dr. Engali
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Fonz..... you're talking to an avatar.... think about it. BTW, the snufalufugus is real. I saw him.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:32 | 5125988 knukles
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What avatar?  Mrs K loves me the way I am.  And I'm very secure in my looks.
It's not  nice to make fun of the disfigured, Doc.
In person it's enhanced with the lisp and drooling.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:30 | 5125982 knukles
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snufalufugus?
Is that one of those guys from LA that I saw in the locker room the other day ... Deep tan from head to toe... including the toes.  And his buddy.  No hair on the body.  At all.  Not even peach fuzz.  And his buddy.  White boys do not usually have no hair.  Lots and lots of heavy gold chains.  Buffed, washboard abs.  Curly greasy pommed hair. 
Like that?
Or something worse?
Like from New Jersey with a wife beater and tats.  Lotsa tats.  Like The Situation?
Tell me it ain't so, Fonz.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 15:51 | 5126469 First There Is ...
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You'd think, huh? But factoring in inflation you're going to discover that your "cheap vacation" to BsAs to get a piece of Latina ass, swig some Malbec and eat steak was more expensive than heading to Thailand. Believe me - I own a property there. 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 17:56 | 5127139 Gromit
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Yes - off to BsAs early October to pick up my bond interest LOL

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:12 | 5127224 Gromit
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According to the Buenos Aires Herald Judge Griesa did not hold Argentina in contempt of Court today - so I can pick up my interest without fear of being held in contempt of Court myself LOL.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:17 | 5125919 JailBank
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Buy! Buy! Buy! Everyone is buying? Sell! Sell! Sell!

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:19 | 5125929 smacker
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Christine Lagarde is now laughing and waiting for the Argies to request an IMF bail -out.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:26 | 5125958 cro_maat
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Except that they are already at the table with the new BRICS bank. Christine should stop doing meth.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 15:11 | 5126209 smacker
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"...they are already at the table with the new BRICS bank"

Some evidence of this?

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:48 | 5127730 Angry Plant
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Good Bye and good riddance to Argentina borrowing from the west then.

Good luck to the BRIS's ever getting any money they lend to Argentina back the country has a 15 year average default rate.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 15:14 | 5126220 Kirk2NCC1701
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Can't wait for the other shoe to fall:  Argentina announces Currency Reset, linked to BRIICS sytems, making it the ABRIICS or BRIICSA system.

If that happens, I'll get a serious Kirschner crush.  BTW, they should Short the shit out of Singer's stuff just before they drop that Bomb.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:20 | 5125934 Dr. Engali
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The citizens of Argentina are running to king dollar.

 

I'm Larry Kudlow and I approved this message.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:33 | 5125994 Salah
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They came 'this close' to dollarizing once in the nineties....hey, maybe they'll really do it this time, and with all that Vaca Muerta O&G.....who knows where this could go?  Can you say "Abu Dhabi", Cristina?

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:34 | 5125995 Kirk2NCC1701
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Larry, when the Globalist Oligarchs finally give us a One-World Government, will they replace King Dollar with King Shekel?

And will it be backed by the World Police and the Global Gold Reserve, stored at the rebuilt King Solomon Temple?

Is this what Global Zionists dream of, Larry?

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:54 | 5126103 Kirk2NCC1701
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+1 and -1.  Cool.  My Loyal Buddy and my Loyal Junker are both onboard.

Hi guys.  I sincerly would love to have a beer with both of you, as it would make for a good "Argument".  "5 minute or Half-Hour Arguments" are both fine.  :-)

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:22 | 5125940 bardot63
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Black swan.  Can you still say "black?"

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:26 | 5125959 youngman
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Watch out Eric holder might show up to investigate

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 15:59 | 5126178 giggler321
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has he got another sibling to act as a sapling then?

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:41 | 5126036 Kirk2NCC1701
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Yes We Can!  Because black swans truly have black plumage, and people who are called "Black" really aren't "black". 

They are varying shades of brown*, or varying shades of Chocolate.  The term "black" misrepresents physical reality, but maybe not political reality.

* "50 Shades of Brown" coming to newsstands and bookstores near you soon.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:23 | 5125941 Merca Visca
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A massive devaluation in your massive dreams, you massive idiot. This web ZH is more pathetic each new day.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:45 | 5126057 Dr. Engali
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"This web ZH is more pathetic each new day"

 

Is that why you just couldn't wait to join Miss 16 weeks and 2 days?

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 17:51 | 5127109 Agstacker
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Go back to CNBC you Keynesian Troll.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:24 | 5125946 GOLD AND SILVER...
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Yeah baby, our daily dose of ZH fear porn and the word "collapse".  Meanwhile, the market is at all time highs, the National Guard just got recalled from Ferguson, Ebola ain't doing shit, Fukushima isn't killing anyone, and the world keeps turning.

Yawn.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:37 | 5126013 Parafuso
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If you want your doom porn you can keep your doom porn....

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:54 | 5126014 Parafuso
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<edit> Double Post

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:48 | 5126061 Kirk2NCC1701
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Ah, but about that rebounding Gold/Silver market?  http://www.kitco.com/charts/livegold.html

Oh, wait...

Better stick to real porn.  Try beeg dot com, if free online porn (w/o the BS and spam) is your thing.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 15:59 | 5126201 giggler321
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let's remember some folks got shot - ah! wrong thread.  anyhow let's remember the markets and blogs like this r fixed...

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:25 | 5125949 youngman
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I have not heard a peep from my friends that used to yell at me all the time how great it was down there....nada...

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:30 | 5125973 Salah
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wait til the oil boys get there and start spending money.  

Vaca Muerta = 660+ BILLION barrels "earl" AND 1500+ TRILLION cuft natgas

(WHY I'LL BE DOGGONE, IF DAT AIN'T A GOOD REASON FOR A "REV-O-LU-SHUN")

 

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:44 | 5126045 Hohum
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Salah,

 

Are the oil (and gas) boys going to get positive cash flow from that or just borrow their way to prosperity?

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:26 | 5125950 qazwsx
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Apocalypto!!

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:30 | 5125983 americanspirit
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I wouldn't want to be a foreigner with my capital invested in real estate in, oh, I don't know, Cayafete? How long before overnight confiscation of property owned by foreigners? Not just real estate - bank accounts, gold, farms, etc.? Oh, and accompanying the confiscation, a proclamation that it is a capital offense to attempt to flee the country with any assets.

3,2,1 ...

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 15:45 | 5126420 crazytechnician
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Bitcoin solves all of the above .

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:47 | 5126079 Joebloinvestor
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I can't wait to see what the ratings agencies rate Argentina bonds at.

 

Maybe they will include a disclamier, BUYER BEWARE

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 03:09 | 5128772 Jano
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I am eager as well.

However, what is my expectation:

-jewish controled fiancial isntitutions, their constructs and supporters, like not very important rating agencies in US, will pay the game in a team of Jew Singer.

More importanto to me  will be the rating of the new chima-russian rating agency.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 14:50 | 5126097 q99x2
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BitCoin Last Price: $525

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 15:11 | 5126150 JR
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Paul Singer: Don't cry for me, Argentina.

“The fact is,” wrote Mark Gongloff July 31 on Huffingon Post, “that one conservative American billionaire and a handful of American judges have just pushed Argentina, a nation of 43 million people with an economy bigger than that of the Netherlands or South Africa, into defaulting on its debt. It's a move that threatens not only chaos for the Argentinian people, but potential chaos for other countries hoping to borrow money in the future.

"’This is America throwing a bomb into the global economic system,’ Columbia University economist Joseph Stiglitz told The New York Times in a front-page story about the battle."

It’s billionaire Zionist, Paul Singer, according to Jérome Duval and Fatima Fafatale, who has made his specialty buying up insolvent debts for a song and later cashing in on them. Say these writers on Voltaire.net, he is now consolidating “his fortune at the expense of the Argentinian people, while already setting his sights on Spain.”

Wrote Duval and Fafatale August 1, 2014: “’Vulture funds’ refer to companies that buy insolvent debts for a song and later try to cash in on them by force… The vulture fund NML Capital that, together with others, has Argentina on the edge of suspending payments, is already devouring the rotting flesh of the Spanish market. Elliott Management, the opportunistic fund of the serial U.S. speculator Paul Singer, has already pocketed a billion euros of Bankia’s failed credit and 300 million euros of Santander. It is estimated that it has paid hardly 50 million for both these portfolios, according to Auraree.com.

“In March 2013, the Spanish financial press informed that Elliott had acquired from the Santander Group a portfolio of 300 million euros of defaulting credit of Santander Consumer Finance with a discount approaching 96%. The price that was paid was laughable: about 12 million euros, according to Cinco Dias.”

http://www.voltairenet.org/article184957.html

Says Forbes: “The issue goes back to Argentina’s 2001/2 sovereign debt default, dubbed the largest in modern history, where the second largest South American economy ceased payments on approximately $100 billion in foreign debt…”

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 15:34 | 5126365 lasvegaspersona
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so...Argentina should be able to borrow and anyone who tries to get repayed is a 'billionaire Zionist'.

If he wasn't Jewish (or have a Jewish sounding last name) what would he be?

'billionaire goy'?

The lending of huge sums for dubious purposes is at the root of this problem.

An entity that tries to profit from providing a market for less than perfect securities gets labeled Zionist. logical...I checked with Spock...

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 16:05 | 5126534 paddyirishman
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fuck off and stop lying you hasbara troll, damn jews are robbing argentina blind.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 16:24 | 5126629 JR
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The Zionist angle applies because one man, be he Irish or be he Italian, doesn’t take on and defeat the credit position of an entire country and people without legal help from the superpower. Oddly enough, the legal departments - that is justices and regulators in the United States - operate if not under the payroll of the big banks under the fear of the big banks and the owners of the Federal Reserve System.

The point is when so many Jewish families hold most of the financial regulatory and policy positions in America's financial sector it becomes almost impossible to argue that Jews do not get special treatment. It you don't believe me, take a hard look at those who are being reimbursed 100% of their Bernie Madoff losses.

The chance that a non-Zionist can pull the Singer maneuver is like the fifth grader getting permission from his mother for a snake tattoo.

As far as extending risk to countries in great need of credit, that’s the specialty of the Zionist-controlled IMF, and the higher the risk the greater the leverage the lender has over the borrower.

That’s why the banks own much of the world’s wealth-producing real estate.

As the two writers I cite explain: “The vulture funds make money taking advantage of countries in difficulties, like Argentina during the crisis of 2001, to buy debts cheap. Later they wait for an opportune moment to oblige them to buy them back at a much higher price with court orders, including deferred interests and judicial costs.

"This is how they speculate on public debts, endangering the social spending that benefits the great majority of the population. These vultures went for lawsuits after having refused to form a part of the 93% of creditors who accepted the exchange with the government. Now the New York district judge, Thomas Griesa, has prioritised the payment of the vulture funds, which opens the door to an avalanche of demands that could result in the suspension of payments in Argentina on July 30. As Julio C. Gambina puts it so well, 'nobody precisely knows where the demands of the creditors could reach of the unpayable debt,' but we know that the cost for the Argentinean people could be catastrophic.

"Who are behind these vulture funds? NML Capital is a subsidiary of the inversion fund, Elliott Management Corporation, registered in the fiscal paradise Cayman Islands. It is the empire of Paul Singer…

"Elliott speculates, among other things, with public debts, violating the sovereignty of the states and its peoples. But he also speculates with private debts and in 2011 came to possess two million dollars of Lehman Brothers…."

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 15:08 | 5126154 earleflorida
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"Exdending our Foreign Commerce"    

Perhaps... just perhaps, this will shed some light on-- the concept of?,  'beggard`thy-neighbors'!?! Beginning on July 13,1914, the  newly created FRBsystem gave exclusive rights to Citibank (Nat'l City Bank of NY) to open (establish) overseas foreign departments in South America as a starting stage-point[?] for global domination in the name of democracy? The nations largest commercial bank created its first portfolio under the guise of " The Monroe Doctrine Territorial?[land-grab]', subsequently opening branches in Buenos Aires, Argintina,  Rio Janerio, Brazil,  and a few months later in Valaraiso, Chile (?we all know what happened later in these countries regarding rebellion and dictatorship/ authoritarian governmental regimes [military coup's, etc., ], esp., Chile!?)

http://archive.org/stream/independen79v80newy#page/n66/mode/1up   

Ref: Pg 61 *Important... scroll down ~ quarter-inch and its a little atricle on the back pages

Please note: This Independent Archive has everything from WWI documented before the USA ever got involved in Europe.  Fantastic link :-))   jmo

again, this is why Argentina and so many s. american countries are forever in debt to the IMF/ WB via USSA

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 15:29 | 5126307 El_Puerco
Thu, 08/21/2014 - 15:06 | 5126175 ekm1
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Nobody cares.

Argentina doesn't care. They will default.

 

All world will default 

 

There is nobody who can enforce debts, now that USA is not ready to use force.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:06 | 5127201 bid the soldier...
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he who defaults last still loses

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 15:04 | 5126176 QQQBall
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Confiscation? Was thinking along the same lines as say higher mineral and mining taxes paid in gold or silver. If you are an Argentine with you rsurplus productivity satched in PMs and out of the banking system, you prolly fell better than someone with an ass load of Pesos.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 15:09 | 5126202 Bankster Kibble
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Great timing that Russia is halting food imports from sanctioning countries and is making deals for prime Angus steaks from Argentina.  That may help the balance of payments a little.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 15:28 | 5126314 lasvegaspersona
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Don't cry for me...I hold no Argentine paper.

I'm sure the market will severly punish the country for...a week?  naaaa to severe....some idiot will load his pension plan with sweet 10%  bonds soon...and he'll be gone with his vig when the bottom falls out next year....

Anyone who loans this lovely country anything more than a cup of sugar is crazy.

Been there 4 times, wonderful place and great people. Patagonia is magic. How they get such screwed up government is beyond me. I'm guessing it is economic decay which is the same decay now coming for the rest of the planet.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 15:32 | 5126346 Spungo
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This should boost exports
/s

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 15:51 | 5126461 falak pema
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the Argentinian Peso suffering from financial Ebola?

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 16:31 | 5126645 Argieboy
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Oh well another collapse and a bloody december comming. Love my country. Thank god I never got into papers of any kind. Always sticked with real estate, farming and cattle! Al least if you can't sell it you can eat it! Of course a couple of guns too just in case some zombie herd wants to approach my place in times of despair. Or in case some zionist government (like this one) wants to seize something. I won't go without putting a fight! Salud amigos!

 

PS: FUCK YOU CRISTINA!

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 18:29 | 5127301 Gromit
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?Vivez vos en BsAs?

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 15:10 | 5130992 Argieboy
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si vivo en Buenos Aires peo tengo un farm no tan lejos de aqui.

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:16 | 5127545 Hellone
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ASKING HOW ARGENTINA GETS SUCH SCREWED UP GOVERNMENT? HA DONT MAKE ME LAUGH FILTHY WHITEY GOYIM, THE U.S IS A COUNTRY WHOSE MAIN EXPORT COMMODITY IS WHOLESALE THEFT AND MURDER...

YOU MUST BLEED FOR YOUR TALMUDIC OVERLORS NOW...AND THAT MEANS BANK ACCOUNTS,BROKERAGE ACCOUNTS, RETIREMENT FUNDS ALL OF IT MUST BE GIFTED TO THE TALMUDIC PRINCES OF BABYLON FOR THEIR GRACIOUS MERCY OF EVEN LETTING YOUR GENTILE KIND TO CONTIUE BREATHING ON THE EARTH. THINK OF IT AS A TAX LIKE YOU STUPID FILTHY WHITEY GOYIM LOVE PAYING SO MUCH HAHA GEITNER ENVIES YOU! CALL IT THE FILTHY STUPID WHITEY GOIM TAX! HEY GOT A NICE RING TO IT

"idiots"


Fri, 08/22/2014 - 03:03 | 5128766 Jano
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I wonder, who voted you down?

The dual citizens form the tribe of Übermenschen/exceptional & indispensible/?

Thu, 08/21/2014 - 19:57 | 5127763 Angry Plant
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America needs more enemmies like ISIS and you Hellone.

Fri, 08/22/2014 - 03:07 | 5128770 zipit
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Bitcoin, Argentinian bitchez!

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